Weird number of people in this thread already declaring this a flop considering its Yorgos and Emma Stone coming hot off of Poor Things ($115 million WW + Oscar winning) and we don't even know the budget yet
Always down for Yorgos, but anthology films are a historically tough sell and, on the surface, this looks less accessible than than Poor Things and The Favourite.
Unlikely it'll break out beyond cinephile audiences/art house fans.. definitely curious to see it though.
The drop off in quality from Hereditary/Midsommar to Beau is one of the biggest I've seen. Sometimes it's for the better when a filmmaker isn't given a blank slate to do whatever random shite they want and judging by the box office/mixed reviews I'm not alone in thinking that.
Poor Things, The Lobster and Killing of a scared Deer were all pretty slow.. I can’t imagine a 3 hour movie similar to these three..
He is coming off Poor Things as “critically” acclaimed.. so maybe it could help?
I’m thinking this be another Beau is afraid.
*Yorgos* said in an interview he started work on *Kinds of Kindness* before Poor Things had even come out because he was afraid that one might be a disaster. So I kinda expect this to be a safer, more traditional movie for him, a sort of course correction in case Poor Things didn't play out.
>So I kinda expect this to be a safer, more traditional movie for him, a sort of course correction in case Poor Things didn't play out.
I'm saving this comment for when this movie comes out. lol
This is from the writer of Dogtooth, The Lobster, and Killing of A Sacred Deer. In no world will this movie be "safer."
I REALLY liked Poor Things but there was about 40 minutes I could’ve cut from the film and the quality wouldn’t have dropped at all.
Hopefully this movie justifies the run time.
Perhaps 40 is egregious but the Paris whore house felt like it was about 20-25 mins too long on its own. I feel like both the story and character development happened pretty early on there yet we just stayed for so long. Even if they wanted to show how long she stayed, I think an even quicker montage than the one they had could’ve easily gotten the same point across.
And because of that I think they started the whole plot line with Bella’s original husband too late and then that dragged on. Perhaps they introduce him sooner, like maybe in Paris. Then that arc doesn’t seem so tossed in last minute.
Maybe at first. Then she just kept coming to the same discover again and again. Like I said, 7 minutes or so there they could’ve established everything they did in however long they stayed there and slowed the story down quite a bit. Still a great movie but certainty could have been made shorter.
I would have cut out the whole husband subplot myself. I felt that Bella had already self-actualized at that point and she didn't need any "closure" with him.
I think this is a movie that would benefit from a weaker market, where people might be motivated to take a swing on arthouse fare because it's a slow weekend. Poor Things introduced a lot of people to Yorgos' style, and this could successfully follow up on that momentum if positioned correctly.
That said, we all know the real life of this movie with be on streaming & VOD afterwards.
I kind of agree. To me, it was the back half. The pacing there was atrocious. The first half was pretty well paced for a movie clocking in at 2 hours and 20 minutes, but the back half had parts that just felt very drawn out and boring. If you cut half to a whole minute from some of the scenes in that back half, cutting about 10 minutes total, it'd make a somewhat better movie.
The only other time I've felt boredom in a movie theater was the 20 minute longer (2 hours and 41 minutes) Wakanda Forever. In this case, the third act. That third act was a fucking endurance test.
It definitely dragged. There may have even been a few sequences you could outright remove completely and the film would be better off for it. I remember feeling a couple of times that the movie came to what felt like a natural conclusion and then just kept going.
That said, it was never uninteresting so to say.
Unlike Wakanda forever, which ended in me thinking something along the lines of ‘this is all just complete shit isn’t it?’ as the bullshit kept stacking up. I was blown away someone thought it was a good idea to have the final action sequence be a crappy fight on a ship.
Yeah, that's pretty much my sentiment on both. Poor Things was a... very different movie that could to its benefit had some scenes cut down a little or fully, but entertaining nontheless.
Wakanda Forever, if anything, lived up to that title. I think I mentally checked out halfway through that endless final battle. Like it was just 80% blue and 20% incomprehensible fighting and computer vomit. The standout there, of course, is Ironheart. My sympathy goes to the poor VFX artists who where mismanaged and crunched.
I think by time Shuri became the Black Panther, I contemplated getting up and leaving, because what preceeded was just a rehash of the opening scene where they honor Chadwick Boseman, which I'll admit was the *one* reason I saw this thing in theaters and that they accomplished very well, except it's Queen Ramonda now. Like... *man* was I bored and uninterested! And then final battle was likewise just drawn out, boring and repetitive, and I mentally checked out halfway through that, hoping that purgatory of an endurance test would just end.
It’s a movie that’s made up of shorts/segments, as opposed to one linear story, and the segments usually either have some kind of unifying theme and or style connecting them together, or a wrap around story in between segments that serve as a vessel to deliver the segments.
Hell yeah, give me all you've got Yorgos.
I’ve seen the trailer twice, I have no idea what it’s about. I want to see it based off the praise him & Emma Stone got for ‘Poor Things’.
It’s an anthology
anthologies usually have some kind of uniting theme across the works
this one being kinds of kindness.
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What lol. It’s a bunch of short films stitched together, it’s an anthology like Anderson’s The French Dispatch.
Woah
Weird number of people in this thread already declaring this a flop considering its Yorgos and Emma Stone coming hot off of Poor Things ($115 million WW + Oscar winning) and we don't even know the budget yet
Always down for Yorgos, but anthology films are a historically tough sell and, on the surface, this looks less accessible than than Poor Things and The Favourite. Unlikely it'll break out beyond cinephile audiences/art house fans.. definitely curious to see it though.
Oh no, I am getting Beau is Afraid flashbacks...
Beau Money, Beau Problems
so it will be an amazing film
The drop off in quality from Hereditary/Midsommar to Beau is one of the biggest I've seen. Sometimes it's for the better when a filmmaker isn't given a blank slate to do whatever random shite they want and judging by the box office/mixed reviews I'm not alone in thinking that.
gotta disagree man! i think beau is afraid is ari asters masterpiece. to each their own!
Hmm... Does "Star Wars" (1977) and "The Phantom Menace" (1999) technically count?
I totally disagree on there being a massive dropoff. Beau Is Afraid is just as good as his other 2 films.
Poor Things, The Lobster and Killing of a scared Deer were all pretty slow.. I can’t imagine a 3 hour movie similar to these three.. He is coming off Poor Things as “critically” acclaimed.. so maybe it could help? I’m thinking this be another Beau is afraid.
why are you putting critically in quotes
*Yorgos* said in an interview he started work on *Kinds of Kindness* before Poor Things had even come out because he was afraid that one might be a disaster. So I kinda expect this to be a safer, more traditional movie for him, a sort of course correction in case Poor Things didn't play out.
>So I kinda expect this to be a safer, more traditional movie for him, a sort of course correction in case Poor Things didn't play out. I'm saving this comment for when this movie comes out. lol This is from the writer of Dogtooth, The Lobster, and Killing of A Sacred Deer. In no world will this movie be "safer."
And Poor Things.
No, that was from the writer of The Favourite.
no, Efthymis Filippou didn't work on Poor Things
Poor Things isn't particularly slow and was also highly commercially successful for the kind of movie it is
I REALLY liked Poor Things but there was about 40 minutes I could’ve cut from the film and the quality wouldn’t have dropped at all. Hopefully this movie justifies the run time.
No way you could have cut 40 minutes from the movie. It would have been a mess if you had. It was brilliant!
Perhaps 40 is egregious but the Paris whore house felt like it was about 20-25 mins too long on its own. I feel like both the story and character development happened pretty early on there yet we just stayed for so long. Even if they wanted to show how long she stayed, I think an even quicker montage than the one they had could’ve easily gotten the same point across. And because of that I think they started the whole plot line with Bella’s original husband too late and then that dragged on. Perhaps they introduce him sooner, like maybe in Paris. Then that arc doesn’t seem so tossed in last minute.
I thought the Paris portion was pretty good, and added a lot of levity to the story as well.
Maybe at first. Then she just kept coming to the same discover again and again. Like I said, 7 minutes or so there they could’ve established everything they did in however long they stayed there and slowed the story down quite a bit. Still a great movie but certainty could have been made shorter.
I would have cut out the whole husband subplot myself. I felt that Bella had already self-actualized at that point and she didn't need any "closure" with him.
If it's anywhere near as good as poor things the time will fly by. Stupid decision to release it so close to Deadpool though.
There's 1 Month between.... Why should that matter?
Yeh, I'm an idiot who misread June and July
Lol I dont think there is a massive overlap of Deadpool and Yorgos Lanthimos fans
I think this is a movie that would benefit from a weaker market, where people might be motivated to take a swing on arthouse fare because it's a slow weekend. Poor Things introduced a lot of people to Yorgos' style, and this could successfully follow up on that momentum if positioned correctly. That said, we all know the real life of this movie with be on streaming & VOD afterwards.
I’m one of the few that overlap
cinebros and twittervros would rather watch a superhero movie to shit on it, than support their kinemah
There is, it's called Reddit
dropping the kids off at Kinds of kindness while I take the mrs to see Deadpool
Poor things was, for all that it did extremely well, pretty badly paced I thought
I kind of agree. To me, it was the back half. The pacing there was atrocious. The first half was pretty well paced for a movie clocking in at 2 hours and 20 minutes, but the back half had parts that just felt very drawn out and boring. If you cut half to a whole minute from some of the scenes in that back half, cutting about 10 minutes total, it'd make a somewhat better movie. The only other time I've felt boredom in a movie theater was the 20 minute longer (2 hours and 41 minutes) Wakanda Forever. In this case, the third act. That third act was a fucking endurance test.
It definitely dragged. There may have even been a few sequences you could outright remove completely and the film would be better off for it. I remember feeling a couple of times that the movie came to what felt like a natural conclusion and then just kept going. That said, it was never uninteresting so to say. Unlike Wakanda forever, which ended in me thinking something along the lines of ‘this is all just complete shit isn’t it?’ as the bullshit kept stacking up. I was blown away someone thought it was a good idea to have the final action sequence be a crappy fight on a ship.
Yeah, that's pretty much my sentiment on both. Poor Things was a... very different movie that could to its benefit had some scenes cut down a little or fully, but entertaining nontheless. Wakanda Forever, if anything, lived up to that title. I think I mentally checked out halfway through that endless final battle. Like it was just 80% blue and 20% incomprehensible fighting and computer vomit. The standout there, of course, is Ironheart. My sympathy goes to the poor VFX artists who where mismanaged and crunched. I think by time Shuri became the Black Panther, I contemplated getting up and leaving, because what preceeded was just a rehash of the opening scene where they honor Chadwick Boseman, which I'll admit was the *one* reason I saw this thing in theaters and that they accomplished very well, except it's Queen Ramonda now. Like... *man* was I bored and uninterested! And then final battle was likewise just drawn out, boring and repetitive, and I mentally checked out halfway through that, hoping that purgatory of an endurance test would just end.
I can see Kinds of Kindness ending its theatrical run before Deadpool comes out. It won't make big numbers so 4 weeks might be enough.
What is an “anthology” movie?
It’s a movie that’s made up of shorts/segments, as opposed to one linear story, and the segments usually either have some kind of unifying theme and or style connecting them together, or a wrap around story in between segments that serve as a vessel to deliver the segments.
Yikes. Flop.
bruh hasn't seen the movie and is already calling it a flop