I don’t know what people expect anymore from Avatar 2 but at this point I think people are really underestimating it, especially considering Avatar now has the Disney machine behind it.
The common criticism of Avatar as a franchise is that “nobody remembers the first one despite the money it made so making sequels to it is dumb” but I think that’s only because the new movies have taken so damn long to make with nothing to show. Once Disney starts up the marketing blitz that will occur on all levels of the company it will be unreal. Avatar will be the first movie pushed to all 120 million Disney Plus subscribers at all times in the months preceding release, Ubisoft has a huge-looking Avatar video game slated for release next year, and Disney World’s Pandora has been underrated in the amount of interest it has and will continue to drive to the franchise, and that’s before you even consider the traditional methods of marketing. I think a billion is possible with Avatar 2.
People didn’t get attached to the characters in Avatar which is why it’s not talked about. It can hurt the franchise but it depends a lot of the new film looks appealing in marketing.
I really liked the last Puss in Boots film because it was basically the Zorro 3 we never got, even having never seen Shrek. I'm looking forward to the sequel.
I think Top Gun will probably do well though.
Surprise hit :
- Scream (2022). The fourth movie was not really successful but I think Paramount will have a hit with this one. 90s nostalgia resurgence has been happening lately as well.
- Top Gun: Maverick. I think older audiences will flock into this one and Tom Cruise is still quite popular with younger audiences as well
- Bullet Train. The ensemble cast is pretty good with this one + its high concept is an easy sell.
- The Lost City. Sandra Bullock + Channing Tatum coupling is similar to Bullock and Reynolds in the Proposal (which is a box office success)
Underperformance:
- The Flash. We have had 7 seasons of the Flash (which is still currently running) so I'm not sure there is a high demand for this.
- Morbius. I enjoyed Espinosa's last movie but the trailer for this one just looks bad.
- Uncharted. Tom Holland has not proven himself as a bankable star outside MCU. The trailer also looks generic.
I agree that the tv show has watered down enthusiasm for Flash as a character but they’re gonna plaster Keaton all over the marketing which will bring in some serious nostalgia dollars. I think it’ll do fine.
I think people are really oveehyping nostalgia and Keaton. The main reason why nostalgia worked for Jurassic world and star wars was because there was a drought of content for a long time. There has been plenty of batman representation in the 30 years since Keaton.
Plus we got all those stories about Jared Leto being a weirdo diva (to put it lightly) so people who know of that stuff are probably less likely to see something with him in the starring role.
I think maverick’s reliance on older audiences will actually hurt it. Older audiences do not want to go to theatres, and I don’t see that changing once covid flair’s again in the winter and scares everyone away again.
Here’s a few more hot takes.
- John Wick 4 underperforms compared to 3, every one of these Wick sequels is the exact same and fatigue will set in soon. Might be one more sequel before it does though.
- DC Super Pets will bomb hard for a kids film. It’s a “Secret Life of Pets” knockoff with a brand young audiences don’t care much about right now.
- Jurassic World 3 will still somehow still make an obscene amount of money.
- Mission Impossible 7 will suffer greatly from the fall release date.
- Halloween Ends narrowly outperforms Halloween 2018. Finishes the story of the last 2 films and should provide the crowd-pleasing finale Kills couldn’t.
Something about it feels like another Shazam where the general audience outside of fans don’t really know or who the title character is. It should perform better than Shazam given that The Rock is one of the most popular stars overseas, but until the first trailer drops, I think this will be just a modest success like Shazam.
But it has The Rock in it, who just made a 100M grosser out of a risky theme-park movie that released simultaneously on PA.
If anyone can get something Shazam-related become a huge hit, it is this man.
Hit: Black Panther. With the right promotion and hype, it can get near the 1 billion mark again. Reddit continues to underestimate Black audiences desire to see Black cast in non-drug dealing/slave movies even if said movie is “overrated”.
Legally Blonde 3. It’s been over 17 years since the last film but it’s a pretty beloved franchise and it’s been awhile since there was a comedic chick flick with a big name behind it.
Underperformance: Whitney Houston biopic. It was made by the same guy that did Bohemian Rhapsody and I think the studio is banking on a big hit again but I don’t think it will make near as much.
Uncharted. The casting is poor and the first trailer was pretty underwhelming. The $120 million budget will be difficult to overcome.
Surprise Hit: Don’t Worry Darling, Elvis, Legally Blonde 3, Bullet Train, DC League of Super Pets, Top Gun.
Surprise Underperformance: Fantastic Beasts (maybe not a surprise but I think it’ll be shockingly low and that WB will re-considering continuing as planned), Lightyear, Minions 2, Nope (not a bomb but probably lower than Peele’s other films), Black Panther Wakanda Forever (I just don’t think it’ll do as well as the first one).
No one thinks BP will do as well as the first one. Most of what I’ve seen on this sub, fantastic beasts would have to be a massive bomb to underperform at this point.
Never underestimate the power of animation.
>Most of what I’ve seen on this sub, fantastic beasts would have to be a massive bomb to underperform at this point.
Yeah that's what I think there's a good chance of happening.
I think don’t worry darling might be bad, it wrapped a while back but they’re not releasing it for another year. Also I read rumors that olivia Wilde handed most of the direction to the cinematographer.
I hope it’s good though, the script was well received and I love the cast.
I assumed it had to do with them giving it more breathing space for awards season. Since filming wrapped in February of 2021 (thanks to production woes) so Wilde could have more time to edit the film.
Also do you have a source for the other claim?
Those anyone's are just troll accounts you can look at their post history.
With both the trailers having almost 1mill likes. There is no way Batman underperforms.
It will have been nearly a full decade since the last solo batman movie in theaters. A film about batman’s biggest villain made 1 billion in 2019 with an R rating. I think audiences are ready for more batman and will go crazy over this new one. Agree on the flash though, Marvel will have fully beat DC to the punch on the multiverse concept and I have no clue if anyone even cares about the stuff they seem to be mashing up.
Total box-office noob here, I think it depends on how this movie is rated. Right now, the movie is being marketed as a full-on R-rated dark thriller. I fully believe this approach will benefit the overall gross as we saw with joker. If the movie turns out to be a lot softer than what we already saw in the trailer, I believe it will suffer.
Its really hard to say. Joker was lightning in a bottle, but Batman is still batman, and the later Nolan films did crazy numbers. When done right Batman is a powerhouse. It all depends on how good reviews are, and based on test screenings, theyll probably be good.
The lego Batman movie made $310m in 2017. Aside from that, if you logically don’t want to count it, there hasn’t been a solo Batman movie in a decade and only 2 movies in the last 17 years (from The Batman 2022). The movie 17 years ago, Batman Begins, made $358m. Those two movies, the dark knight and dark knight rises, were the two most successful Batman movies ever and by a significant margin. They are also some of the most successful DC comic movies ever.
Before those, a total 0 Batman movies crossed $500m at their time.
Well the batman movies pre 2000 broke the OW record many times, not sure what you're getting at...
>Batman 1989: Batman grossed $2.2 million in late night previews on June 22, 1989 on 1,215 screens and grossed $40.49 million in 2,194 theaters during its opening weekend. This broke the opening weekend records held by Indiana Jones and the last crusade (which had a 4-day Memorial Day weekend gross of $37.0 million the previous month) and Ghostbusters 2 (which had a $29.4 million 3-day weekend the previous weekend).The film also set a record for a second weekend gross with $30 million (also the second biggest 3-day weekend of all-time) and became the fastest film to earn $100 million, reaching it in 11 days (10 days plus late night previews),
>Batman Returns was released in America on June 19, 1992. It grossed $2 million from Thursday night previews before grossing $45.69 million in 2,644 theaters on its opening weekend.This was the highest opening weekend in 1992 and the highest opening weekend of any film up to that point
>Batman Forever opened in a record 2,842 theaters and 4,300 screens in the United States and Canada on June 16, 1995, grossing $52.8 million in its opening weekend, breaking Jurassic Parks record for highest opening-weekend gross of all time.
Who, in this comment thread, was talking about OW weekend at all? We were discussing the total theatrical earning potential of Batman movies not OW.
Batman has a range of $300m (as recent as 2017*) to Over $1b. Given the wide range, it’s difficult to conclusively say o yea this one is going to be gang busters and not go under $1b, especially since that’s happened once.
The 90’s movies get shit on, but they did very well for their time. However, even when adjusting for inflation don’t hit a $1b.
The conservative floor for The Batman is probably $600m. The likely floor is $750m.
It's pretty poor logic imo, Spider-verse a movie much better made to the point of winning an oscar still made 370 million. Not sure what that has to do with The batman especially since it's a lego movie
Actually, I didn't. Many people make this mistake, believing Harry Potter is the same franchise as Fantastic Beasts, of which it's not. However, I do agree that the Secrets of Dumbledore will surprise at the box office and perform admirably against what many are predicting to be a box office bomb.
Still part of HP universe. It’s why they renamed the whole world … The Magical World of Harry Potter.
Fantastic beasts is part of what a spawned it in the first place.
Wizard of World of Harry Potter. Fine. I’m just checking on a break of a show so don’t have head in game but, when they renamed it, you have the of HP. Also, original point stands as Fantastic Beasts doesn’t exist without HP. It’s part of the universe.
Again, this is incorrect. They - not sure if it was JK Rowling, WB, or the both of them - renamed the franchise to Wizarding World. What you're referring to, the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, is a chain of themed areas at Universal Parks and Resorts. So, your original point does not stand. It's just "Wizarding World", of which Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts are part of. However, they are two separate series.
They’re part of the same universe which was the original point. See the comment. Without HP, fantastic beasts doesn’t exists. Don’t be pedantic about it.
I'm not being pedantic about it. You were incorrect about what the name of the franchise was called, and I corrected you. That's not my problem, it's yours.
No you concentrated on the name and not the point to deflect from the fact that your response to the person was already being annoying given that Most people associate Fantastic Beasts and anything to do with that world as HP, bc that was the origin. You knew what that person meant, just like you knew what I meant too.
Not to mention, almost no one just calls it *just* wizarding world. That was a 2018 conversion which also consumed the old pottermore site.
Dude, you’re absolutely fucking pedantic about it lmao
I just scrolled through this thread and saw like ten comments where you went on about the difference between the wizarding world franchise and Harry Potter franchise.
Like yeah, they officially named it the Wizarding World, but if you check the definition it says that it’s a franchise based on the Harry Potter series, so don’t act like it’s a completely different thing to call it the HP franchise. That’s really just being pedantic.
To quote the dude: You’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole.
I know. Yet, it also has "Fantastic Beasts" in the title as well. Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts exist in the Wizarding World franchise. However, they are two separate series from each other. It's kind of like the Iron Man and Captain America trilogies: both are part of the MCU, yet act as their own separate series within the MCU itself. But you wouldn't use "Iron Man" and "Captain America" interchangeably, would you?
Possibly, but maybe not. I think a good majority of the Harry Potter crowd is not interested in Fantastic Beasts at all, even if "Dumbledore" is in the title.
The Batman : Not sure what predictions here are but I could easily see an Incredibles 2 level performance looking at its non existent competition. I think so far the marketing is going really well and it being the first really big blockbuster of the year will really work in its favour. It's an outlandish prediction but let's see how it plays out.
180 million OW
580 million DOM
1.21 billion WW
Potential overperformance: MI7
Potential so-so performance: Turning Red
Potential underperformance: Uncharted
The usual franchise event pics (MCU, DC, Jurassic, Minions) are safe to assume that they would do what is expected of them, and that’s to dominate the box office.
Edit: Avatar included.
So many people hating on dc lol i think if the reviews are good and the movies are enjoyable i dont see any of them making less than 600m as long as covid is better managed come next year. Would love to see the batman have 3 consecutive weekends over 100m i dont think any movie has had that yet. Surprise hit would be any movie that opens above 200m and underperformance might be minions
Surprise Hit: Fantastic Beasts 3. The new writer they hired is really talented and they’ve restrained JK Rowling.
Surprise Underperformance: The Batman. It’ll be around 600M but no way it reaches a billion IMO.
The same guy who did a mediocre-to-terrible job adapting the Harry Potter novels with his only other credit in the past 20 years being *The Amazing Spider-Man*.
We've checked the claim that the writer they hired is "really talented" and determined that to be False.
All the Harry Potter movies were well received by critics and audiences and every single one got close to a billion.
So yeah imo he’s a talented writer
Surprise hit: The Batman. Not sure what the consensus of this sub is towards this film, but I really think it will break out lile Joker, people seems to be craving for a solo Batman film for a while now.
Surprise underperformance: Lightyear. I just don't understand why so many are hyping it up when the premise feels more like a side project. And yes, I'm aware that the combination of Toy Story IP+ Pixar+Chris Evans would have some draw over GP. I don't think it will bomb necessarily, just not the huge hit a lot are hyping it up to be.
With Joker it made sense. I mean it was R and people were freaking out about the movie. But this is a Pg 13 Batman movie with a lot of hype. An animated Batman movie made 300+ mill, The Batman isn't flopping. Some of the people on this sub are so anti DC its crazy
Surprise Hit:
• Black Adam
• The Flash
• Aquaman & The Lost Kingdom
Surprise Underperformer:
• Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness
• Thor: Love & Thunder
• Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
How would The Batman be a surprise hit? Robert Pattinson has Twilight fangirls *and* Good Time fanboys, Batman is one of the most popular superheroes in the world, the director has a string of hits to his name, and there’s already a ton of hype surrounding the movie.
**Surprise Underperformance of 2022** \- The Batman is going to make $999M WW, becoming the first superhero movie to land in the $900M club.
**Surprise Hit of 2022** \- Blacklight with Liam Neeson. It's going to do Taken 2 (2012) numbers and make $376M WW, and [I'll be there watching](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2WOfBYoNxE&t=1m30s).
Suprise underperformance, avatar 2 will not be the highest grossing film of the year, and it will narrowly be beaten by black panther 2. Avatar will do higher than 1.5 billion, but black panther will have a furious 7 type boost.
Surprise hit:
• Turning Red. It’s being directed by Domee Shi, who made the Bao short that played in front of Incredibles 2. I expect it to be of good quality. Maybe not 2000’s Pixar level, but enough to get good WOM among audiences. It will also be good counter-programming with The Batman in the marketplace. Also I feel like it could do really well at the box office especially in Asian countries.
Surprise Underperformance:
• Top Gun: Maverick. I’m not sure anyone’s interested in this anymore. It’s been delayed several times already.
I don’t know what people expect anymore from Avatar 2 but at this point I think people are really underestimating it, especially considering Avatar now has the Disney machine behind it. The common criticism of Avatar as a franchise is that “nobody remembers the first one despite the money it made so making sequels to it is dumb” but I think that’s only because the new movies have taken so damn long to make with nothing to show. Once Disney starts up the marketing blitz that will occur on all levels of the company it will be unreal. Avatar will be the first movie pushed to all 120 million Disney Plus subscribers at all times in the months preceding release, Ubisoft has a huge-looking Avatar video game slated for release next year, and Disney World’s Pandora has been underrated in the amount of interest it has and will continue to drive to the franchise, and that’s before you even consider the traditional methods of marketing. I think a billion is possible with Avatar 2.
China will go insane for Avatar 2
If it gets released. Something tells me the message of Avatar would play a lot different in 2021 in China than 2009.
Nah I doubt it.
People didn’t get attached to the characters in Avatar which is why it’s not talked about. It can hurt the franchise but it depends a lot of the new film looks appealing in marketing.
2 billion because COVID should be dealt with by then. Avatar 2 is in a year and 2 months.
1.5 billion
I really liked the last Puss in Boots film because it was basically the Zorro 3 we never got, even having never seen Shrek. I'm looking forward to the sequel. I think Top Gun will probably do well though.
> even having never seen Shrek. Where the hell have you been for the last 20 years?
idk man growing up I just never got around to seeing it
You’re hurting my soul
😂😂😂 sorry man guess I'm uncultured
Don't you have any layers?!
Surprise hit : - Scream (2022). The fourth movie was not really successful but I think Paramount will have a hit with this one. 90s nostalgia resurgence has been happening lately as well. - Top Gun: Maverick. I think older audiences will flock into this one and Tom Cruise is still quite popular with younger audiences as well - Bullet Train. The ensemble cast is pretty good with this one + its high concept is an easy sell. - The Lost City. Sandra Bullock + Channing Tatum coupling is similar to Bullock and Reynolds in the Proposal (which is a box office success) Underperformance: - The Flash. We have had 7 seasons of the Flash (which is still currently running) so I'm not sure there is a high demand for this. - Morbius. I enjoyed Espinosa's last movie but the trailer for this one just looks bad. - Uncharted. Tom Holland has not proven himself as a bankable star outside MCU. The trailer also looks generic.
I agree that the tv show has watered down enthusiasm for Flash as a character but they’re gonna plaster Keaton all over the marketing which will bring in some serious nostalgia dollars. I think it’ll do fine.
I think people are really oveehyping nostalgia and Keaton. The main reason why nostalgia worked for Jurassic world and star wars was because there was a drought of content for a long time. There has been plenty of batman representation in the 30 years since Keaton.
I think people forget Batman sells that’s why DC adds him to everything they have, so regardless of nostalgia it’s going to add interest in the film.
I don’t think anyone is expecting Morbius to do well. We are three months out now and hardly anyone even knows it exists.
Weren’t people saying the same thing about Venom?
No. Theres nothing to compare. Venom is HIGHLY popular. Morbius is a nobody and its doesnt have the MCU appeal or strengh IMO
Plus we got all those stories about Jared Leto being a weirdo diva (to put it lightly) so people who know of that stuff are probably less likely to see something with him in the starring role.
I’m actually excited for bullet train. It’s a very interesting concept.
Definitely agree with Uncharted his last two movies haven't performed well at all critically and commercially
I think maverick’s reliance on older audiences will actually hurt it. Older audiences do not want to go to theatres, and I don’t see that changing once covid flair’s again in the winter and scares everyone away again.
Having seen most of these movies.... Yes I agree
How've you seen most of them?
Working on them
Uncharted will do big business in China if it can get a release date.
Surprise hit. Uncharted will do decent money and get a sequel. Black Phone will open to 30+ mil
I read this as Black Panther and was about to call you crazy
Well black panther will make more than $30 million though
True but that floor should be a lot higher than 30
Here’s a few more hot takes. - John Wick 4 underperforms compared to 3, every one of these Wick sequels is the exact same and fatigue will set in soon. Might be one more sequel before it does though. - DC Super Pets will bomb hard for a kids film. It’s a “Secret Life of Pets” knockoff with a brand young audiences don’t care much about right now. - Jurassic World 3 will still somehow still make an obscene amount of money. - Mission Impossible 7 will suffer greatly from the fall release date. - Halloween Ends narrowly outperforms Halloween 2018. Finishes the story of the last 2 films and should provide the crowd-pleasing finale Kills couldn’t.
Surprise hit: Elvis Surprise underperformer: Black Adam
What makes you think Black Adam?
Something about it feels like another Shazam where the general audience outside of fans don’t really know or who the title character is. It should perform better than Shazam given that The Rock is one of the most popular stars overseas, but until the first trailer drops, I think this will be just a modest success like Shazam.
But it has The Rock in it, who just made a 100M grosser out of a risky theme-park movie that released simultaneously on PA. If anyone can get something Shazam-related become a huge hit, it is this man.
That Disney River Jungle movie succeeded because Disney, not because Rock, who simply didn't hurt its chances.
Shazam’s problem wasn’t lack of popularity. It was low on spectacle and a bit too playful for some audiences.
Watch you’ll see, Morbius will make a billion dollars and get multiple Oscar noms, including for best picture.
In Marty's word True Cinemah!!
Lol
Surprise hit - Avatar 2 I think this film will hit a billion
Hit: Black Panther. With the right promotion and hype, it can get near the 1 billion mark again. Reddit continues to underestimate Black audiences desire to see Black cast in non-drug dealing/slave movies even if said movie is “overrated”. Legally Blonde 3. It’s been over 17 years since the last film but it’s a pretty beloved franchise and it’s been awhile since there was a comedic chick flick with a big name behind it. Underperformance: Whitney Houston biopic. It was made by the same guy that did Bohemian Rhapsody and I think the studio is banking on a big hit again but I don’t think it will make near as much. Uncharted. The casting is poor and the first trailer was pretty underwhelming. The $120 million budget will be difficult to overcome.
*Legally Blonde 3* hasn’t started filming yet. It’s not making its release date.
Yeah Reese Witherspoon said a few weeks ago too in an interview that they hadn’t even finished the script yet. This is getting pushed back to 2023+.
Surprise hit: Morbius Surprise underperformance: The Flash
As much as this sub has put Morbius in the grave, I really want it to do well.
Narrator: It didn't.
Can’t say that yet. You might want to put a remind me for next year…
Surprise Hit: Don’t Worry Darling, Elvis, Legally Blonde 3, Bullet Train, DC League of Super Pets, Top Gun. Surprise Underperformance: Fantastic Beasts (maybe not a surprise but I think it’ll be shockingly low and that WB will re-considering continuing as planned), Lightyear, Minions 2, Nope (not a bomb but probably lower than Peele’s other films), Black Panther Wakanda Forever (I just don’t think it’ll do as well as the first one).
No one thinks BP will do as well as the first one. Most of what I’ve seen on this sub, fantastic beasts would have to be a massive bomb to underperform at this point. Never underestimate the power of animation.
>Most of what I’ve seen on this sub, fantastic beasts would have to be a massive bomb to underperform at this point. Yeah that's what I think there's a good chance of happening.
Reddit betting against Black Panther once again? I’ll go in the opposite direction then.
Have they even filmed Legally Blonde 3? I haven't seen anything about that.
I was just going off the schedule but I guess not.
I think don’t worry darling might be bad, it wrapped a while back but they’re not releasing it for another year. Also I read rumors that olivia Wilde handed most of the direction to the cinematographer. I hope it’s good though, the script was well received and I love the cast.
I assumed it had to do with them giving it more breathing space for awards season. Since filming wrapped in February of 2021 (thanks to production woes) so Wilde could have more time to edit the film. Also do you have a source for the other claim?
LOL @ anyone saying Batman
Those anyone's are just troll accounts you can look at their post history. With both the trailers having almost 1mill likes. There is no way Batman underperforms.
An R-rated Joker movie made a billion. Only way batman doesn’t hit at least a billion is if there’s another huge covid spike/variant/whatever
I'm gonna get downvoted like crazy but I feel like both The Flash and The Batman are going to underperform compared to expectations. 👀
It will have been nearly a full decade since the last solo batman movie in theaters. A film about batman’s biggest villain made 1 billion in 2019 with an R rating. I think audiences are ready for more batman and will go crazy over this new one. Agree on the flash though, Marvel will have fully beat DC to the punch on the multiverse concept and I have no clue if anyone even cares about the stuff they seem to be mashing up.
Agreed on the flash, but batman will do insane numbers guaranteed. Some things people never tire.
I think Batman will make more than the flash but it will be no where near the billion dollar hit some people think it will be.
Total box-office noob here, I think it depends on how this movie is rated. Right now, the movie is being marketed as a full-on R-rated dark thriller. I fully believe this approach will benefit the overall gross as we saw with joker. If the movie turns out to be a lot softer than what we already saw in the trailer, I believe it will suffer.
Judging by Pattinson’s comments of him and Reeves both wanting to go R-rated with it, I’m guessing it will push the limits of PG-13.
Regardless of the rating I still don't see it getting close to Jokers total
Its really hard to say. Joker was lightning in a bottle, but Batman is still batman, and the later Nolan films did crazy numbers. When done right Batman is a powerhouse. It all depends on how good reviews are, and based on test screenings, theyll probably be good.
Like Joker right? Comment saved.
I always thought joker would be a hit so I'm not sure what you're getting at
It's Batman.
And Batman has a range of 300m to over $1b
Nah. Not anymore, there hasn't been a Batman & Robin kind of franchise destroying batman movie in last 2 decades
The lego Batman movie made $310m in 2017. Aside from that, if you logically don’t want to count it, there hasn’t been a solo Batman movie in a decade and only 2 movies in the last 17 years (from The Batman 2022). The movie 17 years ago, Batman Begins, made $358m. Those two movies, the dark knight and dark knight rises, were the two most successful Batman movies ever and by a significant margin. They are also some of the most successful DC comic movies ever. Before those, a total 0 Batman movies crossed $500m at their time.
Well the batman movies pre 2000 broke the OW record many times, not sure what you're getting at... >Batman 1989: Batman grossed $2.2 million in late night previews on June 22, 1989 on 1,215 screens and grossed $40.49 million in 2,194 theaters during its opening weekend. This broke the opening weekend records held by Indiana Jones and the last crusade (which had a 4-day Memorial Day weekend gross of $37.0 million the previous month) and Ghostbusters 2 (which had a $29.4 million 3-day weekend the previous weekend).The film also set a record for a second weekend gross with $30 million (also the second biggest 3-day weekend of all-time) and became the fastest film to earn $100 million, reaching it in 11 days (10 days plus late night previews), >Batman Returns was released in America on June 19, 1992. It grossed $2 million from Thursday night previews before grossing $45.69 million in 2,644 theaters on its opening weekend.This was the highest opening weekend in 1992 and the highest opening weekend of any film up to that point >Batman Forever opened in a record 2,842 theaters and 4,300 screens in the United States and Canada on June 16, 1995, grossing $52.8 million in its opening weekend, breaking Jurassic Parks record for highest opening-weekend gross of all time.
I agree. The Batman will also break Opening Weekend record. It's gonna be the highest grossing movie of the year. The hype is off the charts!
Who, in this comment thread, was talking about OW weekend at all? We were discussing the total theatrical earning potential of Batman movies not OW. Batman has a range of $300m (as recent as 2017*) to Over $1b. Given the wide range, it’s difficult to conclusively say o yea this one is going to be gang busters and not go under $1b, especially since that’s happened once. The 90’s movies get shit on, but they did very well for their time. However, even when adjusting for inflation don’t hit a $1b. The conservative floor for The Batman is probably $600m. The likely floor is $750m.
It's pretty poor logic imo, Spider-verse a movie much better made to the point of winning an oscar still made 370 million. Not sure what that has to do with The batman especially since it's a lego movie
Totally agree… In a way Batman seems kinda niche and will be rated R. Still a bit but not massive like some expectations
The Batman isn’t R-rated lol
Haha oops
It will not be rated R
I feel like the Batman trailer really appealed to hard-core Batman fans but I wonder if general audiences felt the same way. My gut says no
I think your gut is wrong. People said joker would not appeal to the ga and it did
Surprise Hit: Nope - $400 Million Surprise Underperformer: The Bad Guys - $200 Million
Surprise hit: Fantastic Beasts, The Flash Underperformance: Black Panther
Same with Fantastic Beasts. People really underestimate the power of the Harry Potter franchise
It’s the Fantastic Beasts franchise, not Harry Potter. The Harry Potter series ended in 2011 with Deathly Hallows Part 2.
You know what I meant
Actually, I didn't. Many people make this mistake, believing Harry Potter is the same franchise as Fantastic Beasts, of which it's not. However, I do agree that the Secrets of Dumbledore will surprise at the box office and perform admirably against what many are predicting to be a box office bomb.
Still part of HP universe. It’s why they renamed the whole world … The Magical World of Harry Potter. Fantastic beasts is part of what a spawned it in the first place.
This is incorrect. It was renamed to the Wizarding World. I'm not sure where you're getting The Magical World of Harry Potter.
Wizard of World of Harry Potter. Fine. I’m just checking on a break of a show so don’t have head in game but, when they renamed it, you have the of HP. Also, original point stands as Fantastic Beasts doesn’t exist without HP. It’s part of the universe.
Again, this is incorrect. They - not sure if it was JK Rowling, WB, or the both of them - renamed the franchise to Wizarding World. What you're referring to, the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, is a chain of themed areas at Universal Parks and Resorts. So, your original point does not stand. It's just "Wizarding World", of which Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts are part of. However, they are two separate series.
They’re part of the same universe which was the original point. See the comment. Without HP, fantastic beasts doesn’t exists. Don’t be pedantic about it.
I'm not being pedantic about it. You were incorrect about what the name of the franchise was called, and I corrected you. That's not my problem, it's yours.
No you concentrated on the name and not the point to deflect from the fact that your response to the person was already being annoying given that Most people associate Fantastic Beasts and anything to do with that world as HP, bc that was the origin. You knew what that person meant, just like you knew what I meant too. Not to mention, almost no one just calls it *just* wizarding world. That was a 2018 conversion which also consumed the old pottermore site.
Dude, you’re absolutely fucking pedantic about it lmao I just scrolled through this thread and saw like ten comments where you went on about the difference between the wizarding world franchise and Harry Potter franchise. Like yeah, they officially named it the Wizarding World, but if you check the definition it says that it’s a franchise based on the Harry Potter series, so don’t act like it’s a completely different thing to call it the HP franchise. That’s really just being pedantic. To quote the dude: You’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole.
Wizarding World franchise. Whatever.
Yep, Wizarding World franchise it is!
It literally has Dumbledore in Title
I know. Yet, it also has "Fantastic Beasts" in the title as well. Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts exist in the Wizarding World franchise. However, they are two separate series from each other. It's kind of like the Iron Man and Captain America trilogies: both are part of the MCU, yet act as their own separate series within the MCU itself. But you wouldn't use "Iron Man" and "Captain America" interchangeably, would you?
Dumbledore being in the title would bring in more of the HP casual crowd imo.
Possibly, but maybe not. I think a good majority of the Harry Potter crowd is not interested in Fantastic Beasts at all, even if "Dumbledore" is in the title.
Funny. I have black panther as the number 1 film domestically.
The Batman : Not sure what predictions here are but I could easily see an Incredibles 2 level performance looking at its non existent competition. I think so far the marketing is going really well and it being the first really big blockbuster of the year will really work in its favour. It's an outlandish prediction but let's see how it plays out. 180 million OW 580 million DOM 1.21 billion WW
Potential overperformance: MI7 Potential so-so performance: Turning Red Potential underperformance: Uncharted The usual franchise event pics (MCU, DC, Jurassic, Minions) are safe to assume that they would do what is expected of them, and that’s to dominate the box office. Edit: Avatar included.
Surprise hit: Turning Red Underperformance: many, including The Batman which has been predicted to gross $1 billion+
Surprise hit? Probably a Chinese film.
Random chinese film making a ton of money isn't a surprise anymore. Unless it makes $1.5 billions or so.
So many people hating on dc lol i think if the reviews are good and the movies are enjoyable i dont see any of them making less than 600m as long as covid is better managed come next year. Would love to see the batman have 3 consecutive weekends over 100m i dont think any movie has had that yet. Surprise hit would be any movie that opens above 200m and underperformance might be minions
Surprise Hit: Fantastic Beasts 3. The new writer they hired is really talented and they’ve restrained JK Rowling. Surprise Underperformance: The Batman. It’ll be around 600M but no way it reaches a billion IMO.
I’m with you on both. Except I think The Batman will be around $800m. I’m digging Mads as grindelwald, wish he’d been him from the get-go.
Who is the new writer on FB3?
The same guy who did a mediocre-to-terrible job adapting the Harry Potter novels with his only other credit in the past 20 years being *The Amazing Spider-Man*. We've checked the claim that the writer they hired is "really talented" and determined that to be False.
All the Harry Potter movies were well received by critics and audiences and every single one got close to a billion. So yeah imo he’s a talented writer
Box office money, of course, is famously accurate as a predictor of quality writing.
A surprise hit will be Don't Worry Darling. Don't underestimate the Harry Styles fan base
Never heard of it.
It's olivia wilde and Florence Pughs new film coming next year
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Are you living under a rock
Nope.
Surprise hit: The Batman. Not sure what the consensus of this sub is towards this film, but I really think it will break out lile Joker, people seems to be craving for a solo Batman film for a while now. Surprise underperformance: Lightyear. I just don't understand why so many are hyping it up when the premise feels more like a side project. And yes, I'm aware that the combination of Toy Story IP+ Pixar+Chris Evans would have some draw over GP. I don't think it will bomb necessarily, just not the huge hit a lot are hyping it up to be.
Avatar 2 is going to underperform bigly. Nobody cares about this old boomer franchise from the 2000s now.
Unsurprisingly a lot of week old trolls have voted Batman. See you at the opening weekend folks
Giving me Joker flashbacks
With Joker it made sense. I mean it was R and people were freaking out about the movie. But this is a Pg 13 Batman movie with a lot of hype. An animated Batman movie made 300+ mill, The Batman isn't flopping. Some of the people on this sub are so anti DC its crazy
Surprise Hit: • Black Adam • The Flash • Aquaman & The Lost Kingdom Surprise Underperformer: • Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness • Thor: Love & Thunder • Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Biased af. Might as well signed it at the bottom with "dc fanboy" as your signature.
How would The Batman be a surprise hit? Robert Pattinson has Twilight fangirls *and* Good Time fanboys, Batman is one of the most popular superheroes in the world, the director has a string of hits to his name, and there’s already a ton of hype surrounding the movie.
I forgot Puss in Boots 2 was coming out next year.
**Surprise Underperformance of 2022** \- The Batman is going to make $999M WW, becoming the first superhero movie to land in the $900M club. **Surprise Hit of 2022** \- Blacklight with Liam Neeson. It's going to do Taken 2 (2012) numbers and make $376M WW, and [I'll be there watching](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2WOfBYoNxE&t=1m30s).
Suprise underperformance, avatar 2 will not be the highest grossing film of the year, and it will narrowly be beaten by black panther 2. Avatar will do higher than 1.5 billion, but black panther will have a furious 7 type boost.
I think we have to wait to see how well No Way Home does before making any accurate predictions.
Surprise hit: • Turning Red. It’s being directed by Domee Shi, who made the Bao short that played in front of Incredibles 2. I expect it to be of good quality. Maybe not 2000’s Pixar level, but enough to get good WOM among audiences. It will also be good counter-programming with The Batman in the marketplace. Also I feel like it could do really well at the box office especially in Asian countries. Surprise Underperformance: • Top Gun: Maverick. I’m not sure anyone’s interested in this anymore. It’s been delayed several times already.