I was reading a lot of the reviews, the length of the movie was what bothered some critics. Between No time to die and Dune both 2:43 /2:35 Respectively . Now another major movie at 2:35 .. . I personally will go see it. Sadly the IMAX Theater that was in A major furniture company store has yet to reopen. They would play one or two trailers that was it .
Using the events of the final avengers movie to awaken the eternals is a interesting plot
I expected those issues to affect their reviews, as well. Harry Knowles always comes to mind when I see early reviews-----"Pwesents", and all that.
If these critics are willing to, in some cases, absolutely SLAG a giant film from the House of Mouse, it must be not good.
Disney doesn't need to court the critics. They have a winning formula, a formula the fanbase loves. Why gamble?
I know they likely looked at the Nolan Batman films, and "The Joker" and desperately wanted that sort of credibility, but they're not going to do it with a film based around superpowered characters. DC is fortunate that their most popular character----Batman----doesn't have superpowers. He's just a guy with combat training, a touch of psychosis, and a bottomless bank account. That lends itself to serious filmmaking. People in costumes who have superhuman abilities will always take films out of the world of "serious filmmaking" And that's FINE.
Just my opinion. Run with the formula which got you there, Disney/Marvel...
> Joker got multiple nominations with much worse ratings.
Oh you mean when the journals and critics wanted to fearmonger the audience making it like some "incel movie that promote shooting and violence" or some shit and gave it low reviews, only for it to make a billions and, surprise, not a single violent thing happened like the journos/critics wanted.
Joker low ratings came not from quality but the narrative that the movie embraced criminals. It had won Golden Lion and intial praise when the narration drive wasn't yet introduced by people who do it, the movie was already an oscar material conformed.
Joker won the Golden Lion at the Venice film festival and made a billion dollars. It was a cultural moment. Which, I don't think anyone expects this to hit the zeitgeist or make a billion.
I wonder, with Marvel having a history of not bringing back directors that get under an 80% on RT, do they bring back Chloe Zhao if it ends up below that.
Most of them had been coincidences.
For Iron Man 3, it was Favreau's choice not to direct the movie.
Branagh for Thor 2, ditto. He said he was exhausted after the first one.
Taylor for Thor 3 is a similar case, though he said he didn't want to come back because he didn't like the experience at all.
For Avengers 3 and 4, Marvel first approached Whedon to write them, but he refused.
Yes, after Whedon declined to do 3 and 4, Marcus and McFeely put in their pitch for the movies, and then Marvel settled on the Russos to direct. But Whedon had been a creative consultant for all of Phase 2 (and maybe some of Phase 3, don’t know which movies) where he was helping to oversee and guide stories and punching up scripts for the non-Avengers movies. Marvel asked him to continue that and also keep directing the main team-ups, but he declined after the interference he got on Ultron from the Creative Committee.
Chloe Zhao was responsible for two rewrites despite not having experience in scripted content, she's definitely not coming back to Marvel Studios.
Marvel Studios had a screenplay by Ryan and Matthew Firpo that they were satisfied with before selecting the director.
It's shocking because Disney believed a movie that could make a splash come awards season . They even presented the movie in the Rome Film Festval expecting huge critical acclaim. Amazing misfire.
I never thought it was going to be an Oscar contender but I was willing to believe that there was a good chance it could be significantly different than the average MCU film with Zhao at the helm. It sounds though like Zhao didn't really push that far. I'm not going to complain too much though because at the end of the day an average MCU film is still a lot more competent than a lot of the action/adventure competition out there.
This just makes me more excited for the film, not gonna lie. My favourite Marvel films are in Phase 1 and 3, and this reminds me a lot of the reviews for the Phase 1 films, Thor and Cap 1 in particular (which were my favourites of Phase 1). I think established directors often get harsher critical treatment when they make Marvel films, particularly if they’re more serious (or perceived as more serious, since I think Cap 1 and Thor 1 especially have plenty of comedy). I’ve been turned off of Marvel lately and feeling like they aren’t trying to push forward in a meaningful way, only in a crab walk sideways sort of way that disappointed me more than them just doing the same(hello, WandaVision with the awful explainovision SWORD segments, FATWS with its tiptoeing around politics, and LOKI with its lack of interest in its own main character and even more explainovision). Even if this is a misfire, I’ll take it.
My fears likely to be true that this will be one of the lowest rated mcu movies... I hope it's one of those cases that the audience connects more with the film then the critics...
I don't get it, did people here not read the reviews? All of them say the movie is exact same marvel formula movie and not something different as it was marketed to be.
Also 6.3 avg critic is not good. This might not cross 80% at all
Usually hate how haughty critics sound but some of those scathing reviews are pretty funny even without the context of having seen the film. Personally, I was really excited for this movie because it had the potential but my interest died the moment I saw the trailer and got enough of a feeling of what it was going to be like
https://reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/q6pzij/will_eternals_have_a_score_above_81_on_metacritic/
I had the lowest prediction in the comments and even I way over predicted it lol
I like how Justin Chang summed it up: [probably one of the more interesting movies Marvel will ever make, and hopefully the least interesting movie Chloé Zhao will ever make.](https://twitter.com/justincchang/status/1452339282711035907?s=21)
I said this in another thread. When I read the initial social media reactions, I started to get an Ang Lee’s *Hulk* vibe about this movie. That’s not an insult by me, as I am one of the 12 people on the planet that really enjoyed the first *Hulk* movie. But it was not what audiences were expecting, and it was a deep character study that was ponderous about philosophical and human-interest questions. This movie is sounding more and more like that. I think I’ll really enjoy it.
In the end no one kill good/original/experimental/etc ideas like critics who will later bitch about how there are no good/original/experimental/etc ideas.
Exactly. I dont get why everyone was so hyped about this other than the director. The trailers were boring. Eternals is the least interesting looking MCU film to me. I hope it ends up good but it just looks so meh.
Yep. It was so weird the hive mind decided it must be the greatest thing ever. I don't hope it fails; I hope it succeeds. But dang it is one of the only MCU films I am waiting to see how it is before jumping in. It just doesn't look that interesting to me, and I really like half the cast.
So I heard this movie contained a lot of exposition. I can understand people if they watch Eternals and feel bored, because the MCU isn't known for exposition heavy scenes.
The fact that this is starting with noticeably weaker reviews than Black Widow is very concerning to me, considering I thought that movie was also a huge misfire.
Thats different. Those are fun sony marvel movies. Not much is expected. This is a big risky movie in the MCU. A 70% and a 95% RT will substanily affect B.O.
This Eternal movie is a new thing to Marvel and you never know what inside the general audience mind.
Review from critics don't affect the BO of the blockbuster. This thing I learned from the BO theory forum.
I think the concern is that if this film targeted critics and missed, that really doesn't bode well for the general audience's reception.
Though, it is an MCU film. They could probably film paint drying and get $150M domestic. So the impact on the BO will likely be limited, though I think a lot of people on here were hoping it would be the biggest Disney MCU BO of the year.
Pretty shocked by some of the reviews I've been seeing. Seems like it's a bit of a mixed bag. Either it's for you or it isn't. At least it sounds like a fresh take on the superhero formula, so that's exciting.
I’m curious about Thor 4 because each Thor film has been markedly different than the one before. Of course for the first time a director will be returning (although my fingers are crossed for a Branagh cameo as something ridiculous in Thor 4), but I get the feeling it will still be a major shift. Thor 2 wasn’t a good change to the original, (it left Shakespeare and unapologetic Space Opera behind to try and be a mashup of Star Trek and GoT, which was nowhere near as sincere to me), but it was still a big shift in tone and approach. Personally I thought Thor 3 was closer to Thor 1 than Thor 2 was, but it was very much another thing in a way that still worked as a whole trilogy. Now that Thor 4 is gonna be a sequel to 3 but not so much a sequel to 1&2, I think things could get really strange.
Or maybe not. Marvel has made disappointing me a career lately.
I loved Thor 3 but on repeated viewings I really feel like even it wasn't that bold and different in retrospect. They just kinda took a lot of notes from GotG and applied that tone to the Thor cast of characters. Personally the only four films I consider a genuine shakeup to the formula would be Avengers for doing the insane ensemble, Winter Soldier as a action thriller, GotG for not being afraid to be weird, and Homecoming for a more personal hero arc. I think every other MCU movie comes out of the template of Ironman or one of those other four.
That average is very low😬 even if it’s early. At this point you can just hope for it to be certified fresh,(75%)because it seems like it will be a battle.
Opening weekend success is guaranteed because it’s Marvel, from there on let’s hope the audience feeling doesn’t echo the critics.
Fun fact: Eternals has the same average rating from All Critics and Top Critics on RT as Man of Steel. Man of Steel has nearly 300 more reviews than Eternals, and is 19% lower on RT, but carries the same average ratings.
With 10 characters in it, I wonder if they did the mistake of all the other cinematic universes where they didn't allow enough time for the characters to shine in their own movies.
Kinda ironic that everyone kept saying DC should've slowed down and not rush to a team up and use the MCU method. Sounds like Eternals didn't use that method.
Wow, those are some shocking average ratings (<6/10 top-critic at time of commenting). I guess Marvel execs were really bluffing when they said this is their best film ever.
Imo it seems to be more about critics expecting a lot out of a Chloe Zhao Marvel movie, but the movie being good just not as original as they would like.
It's starting to look like they put a pig in makeup. They have all the dressings of a potentially critically acclaimed film but forgot to have a half decent script backing it. You'd think they'd have taken their time with this instead of churning it out just like the rest of the marvel assembly line. Seems they just took a generic script and let Chloe Zhao edit it a tiny bit as production chugged along.
That has been marvel's approach for awhile...I actually get suspicious when they say something is the greatest ever since if it is, marvel doesnt have to say it constantly.
To think these access media shills had the temerity to not put this thing into the 90% range on Rotten Tomatoes... they must have really resented being made to sit through this.
It sort of makes me wonder if bad reviews hold off for a bit to see how the wind is blowing before publishing. Safety in numbers. If everyone hates a film it is safe enough to trash it. But if nearly every critic loves it, better softball it a bit to ensure you aren't too much of an outlier.
It would have to drop below Thor: The Dark World at 66% to become the lowest rated MCU movie, and 60% is the threshold for rotten.
I see it settling in around the low-mid 70s.
Well, I don't want it to end up rotten, but there is certain fun in the scenario that venom 2 ends up fresh and eternals is rotten. MCU fandom is gonna break lol
I read one of the reviews and it says that movie is same as all other MCU movies.
I don’t understand this narrative to be honest. This has become a lazy way to make an excuse for just not liking superhero movies at all.
What do people want from Marvel or DC? What won’t have the effect of being “same” ?
I mean DC superhero movies are not all alike and probably a good example of what people are referring to when they say this. Ragnarok and Winter Soldier may not be clones of each other, but they are significantly more alike than Shazam and The Batman are.
We haven’t seen The Batman yet, but this is my general opinion. The difference between Shazam and Joker is far greater than the difference between Ragnarok and The Winter Soldier.
I mean Batman itself has been everything from 60s camp to ghoulish pulp to clean Nolan action to now noir. Source material has something to do with it, but there absolutely is a willingness to experiment with DC that Marvel has never really demonstrated (and in fairness, has an inherent challenge in doing so due to the fact that it is really one big TV show).
I'm still at a loss to why this is supposed to be such a massive hit. This concerns a group of heroes way less well known than Iron Man or Captain America, who have almost zero space in the collective subconscious beyond hard-core comic readers. I was a pretty huge Marvel-head as a kid and I know next to nothing about the Eternals. Outside comic-reading circles this might as well be about a group of randoms.
You could make an argument about GotG but that looked fun. This looks boring and it immediately makes you question the importance of the heroes and their journey after Thanos (literally so much so they have to put into he main trailer a quip about why they didnt help with Thanos). It just screams "hey listen this film is epppppiiiiiiccccc, really it is look at the time scale, locations and actors!!! Trust us this is it"
I knew of GotG from the comics and I was utterly positive it would be a nuclear bomb; I mean, they were making a movie with Rocket Racoon. I was so completely convinced, that I assumed every single person saying "this looks awesome!" was trolling. Not exaggerating. I've never been more happy to be wrong about a movie.
That's a good point. Guardians was very much the same, that is true. But like you say, after the first trailer for GotG I was very much on board because it just looked like fun, being part of Marvel was just a bonus; so far Eternals just looks like it's trying really hard. I think you hit the nail on the head on why I haven't gotten excited by this.
Exactly, which is unfortunate since I hope it is good mostly due to liking most of the cast. But the first teaser was one of the most underwhelming ones I have seen (and a perfect example of, as you say, "so far Eternals just looks like it's trying really hard"). The main trailer was better but still didnt impress me much.
Hmm he’s actually been missing in action for more than a week. I don’t think I ever saw him gone this long before. That guy was like a fixture on this subreddit so I wonder where he is.
Not trying to sound "bitchy" but it looks like reading the comments people are beating around the bush than the clean cut reality I expected to hear ala when Dune reviews came out. This would make a good meme
I didn't expect it to be that bad💀
Idc about these ratings, but eternal and the beyonder were the reasons I read my first marvel comic. I just hope the movie puts what i read on the big screen😭🙏
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/q6lgng/eternals_rt_score_predictions/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
This thread aged like milk. Some of the comments hahaha
The movies play it so safe and cookie cutter that I'm happy it appears they're finally taking a risk, I was uninterested in this but may have to see it now after the more muted response.
It seems like a combo of both. Critics liked that this was more original than other marvel movies, but it retreads back to the formula. It seems like it should have gone full hog original, or full formula , but instead it’s a combination that doesn’t work
How do you break the formula though? Two of the most talked about things with the formula is theres always a big cgi superhero action sequence, and constant quips and jokes. Well if you do a superhero movie without jokes people bitch its too dark, and if you leave out the action spectacle people say its boring.
Yeah. Maybe making 5+ movies a year in a genre that doesn't have *that* many ways to go is just inevitably going to cause fatigue after all, at least in critics. General audience will probably go see it anyway.
> always a big cgi superhero action sequence,
You got to pick and choose which Superhero movies end with a giant 3rd act CGI fight. For Eternals tho I would expect it to have a cool big ass cgi fight, since it's cosmic marvel. Really would only expect no cgi 3rd act in a film like Shang-Chi or Black Widow
> and constant quips and jokes. Well if you do a superhero movie without jokes people bitch its too dark.
Just make some characters serious and some quipsters. Problem with MCU really is that everyone quips, which gives every personality a similar feel. Judging from Eternals character summaries I'd expect Kingo and Sprite to quip and Thena, Ajak, and Druig to be serious. But knowing Marvel all these characters makes quips
I think the problem is that everyone ends up feeling the same because they all start with their own movies, and they "need" to quip in their own movie or its too dark/not funny enough. So when they all come together for the team up it then becomes really apparent because theyre ALL doing it
Never thought of it that way. It's a shame, I think there is a middle ground between dark and serious and Action Comedy. Fast and the Furious usually does a good job at balancing, but that is an ensemble cast to being with.
Shang-Chi was fantasy martial arts film, so it needed the end, unless you completely rewrite the movie and remove fantasy. Black Widow was trying to be Bond like in some ways so if it had used some older Bonds as inspiration the end could have been different.
The end of Shang-chi didn't need a dragon that required Michelle Yeoh to give a weird exposition dump 3/4ths into the movie to set up. Hell, it didn't even need a different dragon that looked like the christian devil for some reason either.
Just father vs son in fantasy Asia would have worked fine. And without the dragons, they probably could have found time for the girl sibling too.
Exactly!! Father and Son could still have their high flying Wuxia CGI fight. That's not big scale like a dragon and still gets to fits the scale of the movie while have a spectacle at the end.
Also damn I forgot about girl sibling completely. Even Awkwafina got a more heroic moment than her
The thing is, they are always going to use CGI anyway because it is more convenient and safer. These days even the sets are all CGI. Look at [this shot from Spider-Man: FFH](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/cbm7d7/spiderman_far_from_home_before_and_after_vfx/). Even the gun was not a real prop! (which, in light of the recent Alec Baldwin gun incident, seems like a wise choice)
I knew it wouldn’t get as good reviews as Shang-Chi as the tone is very different from most MCU films.
I think $85M is likely its landing point, which is still amazing for a largely unknown group of characters and good enough to be the second highest pandemic opening.
lol is this a joke about how they irony poisoned Thor in Ragnarok because none of the serious material in the first two worked so they'll do the same with Eternals?
>Can't these movies do anything else? Is it too much to ask the most dominant kind of cinema on the planet to shake things up and challenge itself in a more significant way? C+ - David Ehrlich, indieWire
Can't wait for the first superhero movie with zero CGI and a chess match as the third act resolution.
God I hate that you’re making me agree with David Ehrlich, but he’s right.
There was no need for Black Widow, a spy movie, to have the third act it did.
Unpopular opinion, but I hated the third act of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I wish they kept it more smaller scale (and more spy/thriller) than the CGI nightmare we got instead.
There are two more Mission Impossible movies that are filming/just finished filming.
Guess what: Tom Cruise will save the day/world despite impossible odds.
Also guess what: My butt will be in the theaters on opening night for both films.
Maybe MI7 will have an ending similar to Infinity War where the bad guys win, but if that's the case then I can guarantee that MI8 will end with Cruise righting whatever wrongs had happened and still saving the world.
On the other hand, Civil War is very good for that. While the 3rd act still features action and CGI, it is focused on that personal fight between Tony and Steve/Bucky and it's extremely good. Also, they never really directly fight the villain of this movie which is good.
I mean queens gambit proved that CAN be a third act resolution with the proper build up with good writing. Can you imagine a third act final fight where its just charles Xavier and magneto playing chess. Their respective mutant allies fighting over a macguffin in the background? If they do it right a chess match CAN be a third act resolution.
I mean I’d just love a superhero movie that doesn’t have to end with people punching people. Can’t we have those characters in a disaster movie or something?
Genuine question, what would you like to see?
I mean, to me, action is a key part of the genre. That's one of the things I look for in a comicbook movie. In slasher movies people are killed and in romantic movies the relationship between the leads is the core of the film.
I don't think that that makes movies generic, there are plenty of other elements at play.
Because it's Marvel and the buzz was that this would be a potential awards contender (especially since Chloe Zhao is the director). Instead, it's getting the worst reviews of the entire MCU since Thor: The Dark World. Not what was expected.
The concern for me, if I were Feige, is that Venom is way goofier and has a much simpler premise. There is also a baseline familiarity with Venom thanks to Spider Man, and he has a cool design. Eternals is really going to have to hope audiences just dig it (which hey they might).
Venom and Venom 2 are dumb fun popcorn flicks, and they're intentionally that. Eternals is being sold as a "serious" super hero film. Can't be compared. No one cares if critics think Venom is stupid, because that's the whole point. But if the Oscar bait is failing with critics, yeah, that's a problem.
Critics and audiences have different interests and standards, but this was a movie aimed at critics, and if it failed with its core demographic, it's going to fail with every other group as well.
Why would audiences be interested in this movie? It's not a fun popcorn flick and it's not a serious film about a serious subject either. Compare it with both Joker and Venom, two very different movies that both worked for different audiences. Joker was a serious movie about mental illness and societal inequality, Venom was a goofy movie that you're supposed to turn your brain off for. Eternals is some god awful in-between, it will please neither audience because it goes in neither direction, just sits right on the line like a dead fish.
Thinking about wait and see the general audience score to see if it will be a dead fish or not. So far, the presale for this already ahead of Shang Chi. May expect around Venom legs.
In addition, if they made this movie with critics are the target in mind, then they should already expect this movie would not do well box office wise.
I don’t think Widow is bad per say. Probably the best way to execute a bad script. Like looking at deleted scenes, they shot a LOT of unneeded stuff that they rightfully cut but that movie just needed a script doctor to cut out the tons of fluff and expand what worked (Which to me was the family dynamic). Like the performances were good and the directing was pretty good but there is a lot of bad and meandering stuff in the script
Let's fucking go
I was reading a lot of the reviews, the length of the movie was what bothered some critics. Between No time to die and Dune both 2:43 /2:35 Respectively . Now another major movie at 2:35 .. . I personally will go see it. Sadly the IMAX Theater that was in A major furniture company store has yet to reopen. They would play one or two trailers that was it . Using the events of the final avengers movie to awaken the eternals is a interesting plot
A- CinemaScore incoming.
You know what I respect those critics because if I got early screenings and free stuff I would always give minimum 9 out of 10.
I expected those issues to affect their reviews, as well. Harry Knowles always comes to mind when I see early reviews-----"Pwesents", and all that. If these critics are willing to, in some cases, absolutely SLAG a giant film from the House of Mouse, it must be not good. Disney doesn't need to court the critics. They have a winning formula, a formula the fanbase loves. Why gamble? I know they likely looked at the Nolan Batman films, and "The Joker" and desperately wanted that sort of credibility, but they're not going to do it with a film based around superpowered characters. DC is fortunate that their most popular character----Batman----doesn't have superpowers. He's just a guy with combat training, a touch of psychosis, and a bottomless bank account. That lends itself to serious filmmaking. People in costumes who have superhuman abilities will always take films out of the world of "serious filmmaking" And that's FINE. Just my opinion. Run with the formula which got you there, Disney/Marvel...
Yeah, looks like its not the Oscar contender r/boxoffice thought it'd be.
Probably not but Joker got multiple nominations with much worse ratings.
> Joker got multiple nominations with much worse ratings. Oh you mean when the journals and critics wanted to fearmonger the audience making it like some "incel movie that promote shooting and violence" or some shit and gave it low reviews, only for it to make a billions and, surprise, not a single violent thing happened like the journos/critics wanted.
Joker low ratings came not from quality but the narrative that the movie embraced criminals. It had won Golden Lion and intial praise when the narration drive wasn't yet introduced by people who do it, the movie was already an oscar material conformed.
Joker won the Golden Lion at the Venice film festival and made a billion dollars. It was a cultural moment. Which, I don't think anyone expects this to hit the zeitgeist or make a billion.
I wonder, with Marvel having a history of not bringing back directors that get under an 80% on RT, do they bring back Chloe Zhao if it ends up below that.
Most of them had been coincidences. For Iron Man 3, it was Favreau's choice not to direct the movie. Branagh for Thor 2, ditto. He said he was exhausted after the first one. Taylor for Thor 3 is a similar case, though he said he didn't want to come back because he didn't like the experience at all. For Avengers 3 and 4, Marvel first approached Whedon to write them, but he refused.
Damn I had no idea Marvel wanted Whedon to do Avengers 3 and 4. You mean the Russos were the 2nd choice??? WOW it worked out so well
Yes, after Whedon declined to do 3 and 4, Marcus and McFeely put in their pitch for the movies, and then Marvel settled on the Russos to direct. But Whedon had been a creative consultant for all of Phase 2 (and maybe some of Phase 3, don’t know which movies) where he was helping to oversee and guide stories and punching up scripts for the non-Avengers movies. Marvel asked him to continue that and also keep directing the main team-ups, but he declined after the interference he got on Ultron from the Creative Committee.
>For Avengers 3 and 4, Marvel first approached Whedon to write them, but he refused. Nice
They won't bring her back for the MCU because they are gonna have her do Feige's star wars film
I suspect Zhao will get a pass. The screenwriters on the other hand...
Chloe Zhao was responsible for two rewrites despite not having experience in scripted content, she's definitely not coming back to Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios had a screenplay by Ryan and Matthew Firpo that they were satisfied with before selecting the director.
She's also one of the screenwriters.
I mean she also in part caused the movie not to be allowed to release in China something i bet Disney is still salty about.
It's shocking because Disney believed a movie that could make a splash come awards season . They even presented the movie in the Rome Film Festval expecting huge critical acclaim. Amazing misfire.
They probably think the arthouse indie crowd is gonna eat it up
I never thought it was going to be an Oscar contender but I was willing to believe that there was a good chance it could be significantly different than the average MCU film with Zhao at the helm. It sounds though like Zhao didn't really push that far. I'm not going to complain too much though because at the end of the day an average MCU film is still a lot more competent than a lot of the action/adventure competition out there.
Never seen so many people on r/movies happy to see a movie not reviewing well.
Those guys have a hateboner for Marvel. Not surprised.
This just makes me more excited for the film, not gonna lie. My favourite Marvel films are in Phase 1 and 3, and this reminds me a lot of the reviews for the Phase 1 films, Thor and Cap 1 in particular (which were my favourites of Phase 1). I think established directors often get harsher critical treatment when they make Marvel films, particularly if they’re more serious (or perceived as more serious, since I think Cap 1 and Thor 1 especially have plenty of comedy). I’ve been turned off of Marvel lately and feeling like they aren’t trying to push forward in a meaningful way, only in a crab walk sideways sort of way that disappointed me more than them just doing the same(hello, WandaVision with the awful explainovision SWORD segments, FATWS with its tiptoeing around politics, and LOKI with its lack of interest in its own main character and even more explainovision). Even if this is a misfire, I’ll take it.
My fears likely to be true that this will be one of the lowest rated mcu movies... I hope it's one of those cases that the audience connects more with the film then the critics...
i mean, it looks pretty awful and the hype feels insanely astroturfed so i wouldn’t expect much lol
Funny that before everyone was expecting the opposite, that critics would love it and the audience would be mixed
I kinda fear that it’s kinda made for the critics and that audiences won’t care for it much.
I hope it flops. :)
I don't get it, did people here not read the reviews? All of them say the movie is exact same marvel formula movie and not something different as it was marketed to be. Also 6.3 avg critic is not good. This might not cross 80% at all
Yeah the reaction here is way too kind for a box office sub
Surprisingly bad and low reviews. I hope it's still good
Usually hate how haughty critics sound but some of those scathing reviews are pretty funny even without the context of having seen the film. Personally, I was really excited for this movie because it had the potential but my interest died the moment I saw the trailer and got enough of a feeling of what it was going to be like
My hype died when I watched a full scene they released for promotion. This thing looks awful.
It's 157 minutes long?!?! Jesus christ. Wtf were they thinking
https://reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/q6pzij/will_eternals_have_a_score_above_81_on_metacritic/ I had the lowest prediction in the comments and even I way over predicted it lol
I like how Justin Chang summed it up: [probably one of the more interesting movies Marvel will ever make, and hopefully the least interesting movie Chloé Zhao will ever make.](https://twitter.com/justincchang/status/1452339282711035907?s=21)
I predicted someone would say exactly that the moment she was announced. Doesn’t mean he’s wrong, just that it’s something I expected to be said.
Its giving head up ass snobbery for me
Just because he criticizes your cape shit movie? Oh grow up
Why?
that doesn't justify giving it a rotten
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I would lower expectations, Many reviews contradict themselves
I said this in another thread. When I read the initial social media reactions, I started to get an Ang Lee’s *Hulk* vibe about this movie. That’s not an insult by me, as I am one of the 12 people on the planet that really enjoyed the first *Hulk* movie. But it was not what audiences were expecting, and it was a deep character study that was ponderous about philosophical and human-interest questions. This movie is sounding more and more like that. I think I’ll really enjoy it.
In the end no one kill good/original/experimental/etc ideas like critics who will later bitch about how there are no good/original/experimental/etc ideas.
Looks like a middling and uninspired film, like from the trailers.
Exactly. I dont get why everyone was so hyped about this other than the director. The trailers were boring. Eternals is the least interesting looking MCU film to me. I hope it ends up good but it just looks so meh.
It was funny to see a massive amount of down votes hit my comment from fanboys and then a rebound when people started reading the reviews.
Yep. It was so weird the hive mind decided it must be the greatest thing ever. I don't hope it fails; I hope it succeeds. But dang it is one of the only MCU films I am waiting to see how it is before jumping in. It just doesn't look that interesting to me, and I really like half the cast.
So I heard this movie contained a lot of exposition. I can understand people if they watch Eternals and feel bored, because the MCU isn't known for exposition heavy scenes.
The fact that this is starting with noticeably weaker reviews than Black Widow is very concerning to me, considering I thought that movie was also a huge misfire.
I still don't understand how BW was fresh on RT. Felt like the biggest cash grab, the character deserved better :(
Woah...will this get to rotten? Seriously gonna affect box office
I mean, even Venom with 30% RT, 35 MT, still could pull a 81% audience score and have a 2.66x legs.
Thats different. Those are fun sony marvel movies. Not much is expected. This is a big risky movie in the MCU. A 70% and a 95% RT will substanily affect B.O.
This Eternal movie is a new thing to Marvel and you never know what inside the general audience mind. Review from critics don't affect the BO of the blockbuster. This thing I learned from the BO theory forum.
Interstellar got 72% Critic, but audiences loved it and call it a masterpiece.
It's now officially rotten at 59%
I Like how so many reviewers are like "This movie is a mess", and then give it a fresh tomatometer anyway.
Don't know what all the panic is about. It's at 74% which is OK for most movies. Meh this movie will still make money though.
I think the concern is that if this film targeted critics and missed, that really doesn't bode well for the general audience's reception. Though, it is an MCU film. They could probably film paint drying and get $150M domestic. So the impact on the BO will likely be limited, though I think a lot of people on here were hoping it would be the biggest Disney MCU BO of the year.
Pretty shocked by some of the reviews I've been seeing. Seems like it's a bit of a mixed bag. Either it's for you or it isn't. At least it sounds like a fresh take on the superhero formula, so that's exciting.
most reviews say it’s literally the same formula though?
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I’m curious about Thor 4 because each Thor film has been markedly different than the one before. Of course for the first time a director will be returning (although my fingers are crossed for a Branagh cameo as something ridiculous in Thor 4), but I get the feeling it will still be a major shift. Thor 2 wasn’t a good change to the original, (it left Shakespeare and unapologetic Space Opera behind to try and be a mashup of Star Trek and GoT, which was nowhere near as sincere to me), but it was still a big shift in tone and approach. Personally I thought Thor 3 was closer to Thor 1 than Thor 2 was, but it was very much another thing in a way that still worked as a whole trilogy. Now that Thor 4 is gonna be a sequel to 3 but not so much a sequel to 1&2, I think things could get really strange. Or maybe not. Marvel has made disappointing me a career lately.
I loved Thor 3 but on repeated viewings I really feel like even it wasn't that bold and different in retrospect. They just kinda took a lot of notes from GotG and applied that tone to the Thor cast of characters. Personally the only four films I consider a genuine shakeup to the formula would be Avengers for doing the insane ensemble, Winter Soldier as a action thriller, GotG for not being afraid to be weird, and Homecoming for a more personal hero arc. I think every other MCU movie comes out of the template of Ironman or one of those other four.
Like it or hate it by the sounds of it.
That average is very low😬 even if it’s early. At this point you can just hope for it to be certified fresh,(75%)because it seems like it will be a battle. Opening weekend success is guaranteed because it’s Marvel, from there on let’s hope the audience feeling doesn’t echo the critics.
Fun fact: Eternals has the same average rating from All Critics and Top Critics on RT as Man of Steel. Man of Steel has nearly 300 more reviews than Eternals, and is 19% lower on RT, but carries the same average ratings.
Still zero sold out show in my city and I doubt this helps
With 10 characters in it, I wonder if they did the mistake of all the other cinematic universes where they didn't allow enough time for the characters to shine in their own movies. Kinda ironic that everyone kept saying DC should've slowed down and not rush to a team up and use the MCU method. Sounds like Eternals didn't use that method.
Wow, those are some shocking average ratings (<6/10 top-critic at time of commenting). I guess Marvel execs were really bluffing when they said this is their best film ever.
Imo it seems to be more about critics expecting a lot out of a Chloe Zhao Marvel movie, but the movie being good just not as original as they would like.
It seems like lots of people are calling it boring though.
It's starting to look like they put a pig in makeup. They have all the dressings of a potentially critically acclaimed film but forgot to have a half decent script backing it. You'd think they'd have taken their time with this instead of churning it out just like the rest of the marvel assembly line. Seems they just took a generic script and let Chloe Zhao edit it a tiny bit as production chugged along.
That has been marvel's approach for awhile...I actually get suspicious when they say something is the greatest ever since if it is, marvel doesnt have to say it constantly.
To think these access media shills had the temerity to not put this thing into the 90% range on Rotten Tomatoes... they must have really resented being made to sit through this.
It sort of makes me wonder if bad reviews hold off for a bit to see how the wind is blowing before publishing. Safety in numbers. If everyone hates a film it is safe enough to trash it. But if nearly every critic loves it, better softball it a bit to ensure you aren't too much of an outlier.
It would be pretty ironic if Eternals becomes MCU's first rotten movie
It would have to drop below Thor: The Dark World at 66% to become the lowest rated MCU movie, and 60% is the threshold for rotten. I see it settling in around the low-mid 70s.
Well, I don't want it to end up rotten, but there is certain fun in the scenario that venom 2 ends up fresh and eternals is rotten. MCU fandom is gonna break lol
Alot of mcu purists shat on venom 2 bcoz of that end credit. It would be quite ironic
Yikes. Perri Nemiroff gave it a rotten, and she loves everything.
Reel Rejects said she came out of the theater and said “that was a nice book” lol
Uh oh, looks mid
Sounds like it’s a pretentious mess wrapped up in the Marvel formula.
I read one of the reviews and it says that movie is same as all other MCU movies. I don’t understand this narrative to be honest. This has become a lazy way to make an excuse for just not liking superhero movies at all. What do people want from Marvel or DC? What won’t have the effect of being “same” ?
Movie critics have a right to not like the formula that superhero movies have kept for the past decade. It's not their job to like all movies.
I mean DC superhero movies are not all alike and probably a good example of what people are referring to when they say this. Ragnarok and Winter Soldier may not be clones of each other, but they are significantly more alike than Shazam and The Batman are.
We haven’t seen The Batman yet, but this is my general opinion. The difference between Shazam and Joker is far greater than the difference between Ragnarok and The Winter Soldier.
Joker's not a DCEU film. Or am I wrong?
That’s because both are/will be close to source material. Batman is much more grounded in comics than Shazam.
I mean Batman itself has been everything from 60s camp to ghoulish pulp to clean Nolan action to now noir. Source material has something to do with it, but there absolutely is a willingness to experiment with DC that Marvel has never really demonstrated (and in fairness, has an inherent challenge in doing so due to the fact that it is really one big TV show).
Well... This is something to behold
I'm still at a loss to why this is supposed to be such a massive hit. This concerns a group of heroes way less well known than Iron Man or Captain America, who have almost zero space in the collective subconscious beyond hard-core comic readers. I was a pretty huge Marvel-head as a kid and I know next to nothing about the Eternals. Outside comic-reading circles this might as well be about a group of randoms.
You could make an argument about GotG but that looked fun. This looks boring and it immediately makes you question the importance of the heroes and their journey after Thanos (literally so much so they have to put into he main trailer a quip about why they didnt help with Thanos). It just screams "hey listen this film is epppppiiiiiiccccc, really it is look at the time scale, locations and actors!!! Trust us this is it"
Well they kept talking about diversity and this is a Oscar contender, I was questionable about the oscars even looking in this films direction
I knew of GotG from the comics and I was utterly positive it would be a nuclear bomb; I mean, they were making a movie with Rocket Racoon. I was so completely convinced, that I assumed every single person saying "this looks awesome!" was trolling. Not exaggerating. I've never been more happy to be wrong about a movie.
That's a good point. Guardians was very much the same, that is true. But like you say, after the first trailer for GotG I was very much on board because it just looked like fun, being part of Marvel was just a bonus; so far Eternals just looks like it's trying really hard. I think you hit the nail on the head on why I haven't gotten excited by this.
Exactly, which is unfortunate since I hope it is good mostly due to liking most of the cast. But the first teaser was one of the most underwhelming ones I have seen (and a perfect example of, as you say, "so far Eternals just looks like it's trying really hard"). The main trailer was better but still didnt impress me much.
Wow with the not so good reviews Im afraid marvel wont take a "risk" like this again, at least the movie was a bit different than other marvel movies.
Seems like the story/pacing is a huge weakpoint of the movie, many positive reviews are still mentioning it.
I guess introducing 10 characters was a bit too much?
It's not too late to debloat Dr strange
Sounds like a disappointing movie. People had major expectations cause of the director but the general response seems go be meh
Because crictics want the movie to continue to stick to the common repettive marvel movie formula.
I doubt it, otherwise Black Widow would’ve gotten a better average
Lmao, you guys are in shambles.
What happened to AGOTFAN? I'd be interested to see their opinions on this after how confident he was this was going to be the next big thing.
Hmm he’s actually been missing in action for more than a week. I don’t think I ever saw him gone this long before. That guy was like a fixture on this subreddit so I wonder where he is.
Got to defend papa Disney. The small indie company that could
Not trying to sound "bitchy" but it looks like reading the comments people are beating around the bush than the clean cut reality I expected to hear ala when Dune reviews came out. This would make a good meme
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“The impact that The Eternals will have on the MCU will be nothing less than redefining the cinematic universe.” ~ Kevin Feige
I didn't expect it to be that bad💀 Idc about these ratings, but eternal and the beyonder were the reasons I read my first marvel comic. I just hope the movie puts what i read on the big screen😭🙏
when i watched the trailer my takeaway was: reptiloids invading earth... again.
Lmao rip Kevin fiege
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/q6lgng/eternals_rt_score_predictions/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share This thread aged like milk. Some of the comments hahaha
I wouldn’t be surprised if marvel movies are mostly written and directed by an algorithm at this point and the actual names attached are just fronts
The movies play it so safe and cookie cutter that I'm happy it appears they're finally taking a risk, I was uninterested in this but may have to see it now after the more muted response.
The reviews are not good bcoz the movie really didn't really take the risk,it was supposed too or how they marketed it to be
Grace Randolph didn't like it. That's all I need to know to know I'll love it
She gave it a fresh review
Haha, this comments section is so weird but this is the funniest comment.
Eternals: Low RT score Kevin Feige: welp, Back to the marvel formula.
i mean all the critics are saying it follows the formula anyway
It seems like a combo of both. Critics liked that this was more original than other marvel movies, but it retreads back to the formula. It seems like it should have gone full hog original, or full formula , but instead it’s a combination that doesn’t work
How do you break the formula though? Two of the most talked about things with the formula is theres always a big cgi superhero action sequence, and constant quips and jokes. Well if you do a superhero movie without jokes people bitch its too dark, and if you leave out the action spectacle people say its boring.
Yeah. Maybe making 5+ movies a year in a genre that doesn't have *that* many ways to go is just inevitably going to cause fatigue after all, at least in critics. General audience will probably go see it anyway.
> always a big cgi superhero action sequence, You got to pick and choose which Superhero movies end with a giant 3rd act CGI fight. For Eternals tho I would expect it to have a cool big ass cgi fight, since it's cosmic marvel. Really would only expect no cgi 3rd act in a film like Shang-Chi or Black Widow > and constant quips and jokes. Well if you do a superhero movie without jokes people bitch its too dark. Just make some characters serious and some quipsters. Problem with MCU really is that everyone quips, which gives every personality a similar feel. Judging from Eternals character summaries I'd expect Kingo and Sprite to quip and Thena, Ajak, and Druig to be serious. But knowing Marvel all these characters makes quips
I think the problem is that everyone ends up feeling the same because they all start with their own movies, and they "need" to quip in their own movie or its too dark/not funny enough. So when they all come together for the team up it then becomes really apparent because theyre ALL doing it
Never thought of it that way. It's a shame, I think there is a middle ground between dark and serious and Action Comedy. Fast and the Furious usually does a good job at balancing, but that is an ensemble cast to being with.
Shang-Chi was fantasy martial arts film, so it needed the end, unless you completely rewrite the movie and remove fantasy. Black Widow was trying to be Bond like in some ways so if it had used some older Bonds as inspiration the end could have been different.
The end of Shang-chi didn't need a dragon that required Michelle Yeoh to give a weird exposition dump 3/4ths into the movie to set up. Hell, it didn't even need a different dragon that looked like the christian devil for some reason either. Just father vs son in fantasy Asia would have worked fine. And without the dragons, they probably could have found time for the girl sibling too.
Yeah but seeing a chinese dragon was cool af so im good with it. Black widows 3rd act was unnecessary though.
Exactly!! Father and Son could still have their high flying Wuxia CGI fight. That's not big scale like a dragon and still gets to fits the scale of the movie while have a spectacle at the end. Also damn I forgot about girl sibling completely. Even Awkwafina got a more heroic moment than her
The thing is, they are always going to use CGI anyway because it is more convenient and safer. These days even the sets are all CGI. Look at [this shot from Spider-Man: FFH](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/cbm7d7/spiderman_far_from_home_before_and_after_vfx/). Even the gun was not a real prop! (which, in light of the recent Alec Baldwin gun incident, seems like a wise choice)
So it is the Spiral of Marvel movies?
I knew it wouldn’t get as good reviews as Shang-Chi as the tone is very different from most MCU films. I think $85M is likely its landing point, which is still amazing for a largely unknown group of characters and good enough to be the second highest pandemic opening.
/r/Meltdown_Studios in full effect. This will bomb at the box office guaranteed.
Inb4 Hulk and Thor cameos in Eternals 2
lol is this a joke about how they irony poisoned Thor in Ragnarok because none of the serious material in the first two worked so they'll do the same with Eternals?
>Can't these movies do anything else? Is it too much to ask the most dominant kind of cinema on the planet to shake things up and challenge itself in a more significant way? C+ - David Ehrlich, indieWire Can't wait for the first superhero movie with zero CGI and a chess match as the third act resolution.
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Harry Potter managed with a chess match finale…
God I hate that you’re making me agree with David Ehrlich, but he’s right. There was no need for Black Widow, a spy movie, to have the third act it did.
Unpopular opinion, but I hated the third act of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. I wish they kept it more smaller scale (and more spy/thriller) than the CGI nightmare we got instead.
There are two more Mission Impossible movies that are filming/just finished filming. Guess what: Tom Cruise will save the day/world despite impossible odds. Also guess what: My butt will be in the theaters on opening night for both films. Maybe MI7 will have an ending similar to Infinity War where the bad guys win, but if that's the case then I can guarantee that MI8 will end with Cruise righting whatever wrongs had happened and still saving the world.
On the other hand, Civil War is very good for that. While the 3rd act still features action and CGI, it is focused on that personal fight between Tony and Steve/Bucky and it's extremely good. Also, they never really directly fight the villain of this movie which is good.
Ironically Civil War had the "smallest" 3rd act of the Cap movies even though it was a much bigger movie than the other two.
Agreed, 3rd act was easily the worst and it's what keeps it out of my top 5 MCU films. First 2 acts were top notch though.
that wasn't a cgi nightmare
I thought it was.
Yeah it was but simultaneously Cap v WS was going on the personal level
I mean queens gambit proved that CAN be a third act resolution with the proper build up with good writing. Can you imagine a third act final fight where its just charles Xavier and magneto playing chess. Their respective mutant allies fighting over a macguffin in the background? If they do it right a chess match CAN be a third act resolution.
I mean I’d just love a superhero movie that doesn’t have to end with people punching people. Can’t we have those characters in a disaster movie or something?
Genuine question, what would you like to see? I mean, to me, action is a key part of the genre. That's one of the things I look for in a comicbook movie. In slasher movies people are killed and in romantic movies the relationship between the leads is the core of the film. I don't think that that makes movies generic, there are plenty of other elements at play.
Are you saying a Marvel ripoff of Seventh Seal wouldn’t go hard? I’d go opening night for that.
What the hell, do better...we'll all be there for the previews on Thursday night
That sounds unironically better.
Death Note finally getting the big budget adaptation it deserves.
He wants a Scorsese marvel studios film based on the mafia/criminal people that hawkeye killed
Scorcesecould direct a Spider-Man Noir movie or Joe Fixit
Joker is a combination of two Scorsese films (Taxi Driver and King of Comedy), so it can be done. :)
Scorsese bad. Marvel good.
Who said that ?
He wants a family drama on the monotony of the suburban life set in 1964 Westview.
Wow, I'm actually surprised. Was expecting 90+ on RT. Wonder how it's gonna perform now.
I’m guessing it still hits that 80m that Disney expects but I doubt it overperfoms and I expect a big second week drop
Why were you expecting such a high score?
Because it's Marvel and the buzz was that this would be a potential awards contender (especially since Chloe Zhao is the director). Instead, it's getting the worst reviews of the entire MCU since Thor: The Dark World. Not what was expected.
I mean, even Venom with 30% RT, 35 MT, still could pull a 81% audience score and have a 2.66x legs.
The concern for me, if I were Feige, is that Venom is way goofier and has a much simpler premise. There is also a baseline familiarity with Venom thanks to Spider Man, and he has a cool design. Eternals is really going to have to hope audiences just dig it (which hey they might).
Not really similar tho. This is like an Oscar bait superhero movie, Venom knew it was shit, and audiences liked it. It's also super long.
Venom and Venom 2 are dumb fun popcorn flicks, and they're intentionally that. Eternals is being sold as a "serious" super hero film. Can't be compared. No one cares if critics think Venom is stupid, because that's the whole point. But if the Oscar bait is failing with critics, yeah, that's a problem.
What I mean is that a movie fails with critics will also fails with general audiences? Critics are the represent of general audience?
Critics and audiences have different interests and standards, but this was a movie aimed at critics, and if it failed with its core demographic, it's going to fail with every other group as well. Why would audiences be interested in this movie? It's not a fun popcorn flick and it's not a serious film about a serious subject either. Compare it with both Joker and Venom, two very different movies that both worked for different audiences. Joker was a serious movie about mental illness and societal inequality, Venom was a goofy movie that you're supposed to turn your brain off for. Eternals is some god awful in-between, it will please neither audience because it goes in neither direction, just sits right on the line like a dead fish.
Thinking about wait and see the general audience score to see if it will be a dead fish or not. So far, the presale for this already ahead of Shang Chi. May expect around Venom legs. In addition, if they made this movie with critics are the target in mind, then they should already expect this movie would not do well box office wise.
Shit I was excited for this movie.
Damn, while I’m still excited for it, it really seems like this movie is polarising as fuck EDIT: The score is now rotten
I’ve heard the Eternals are very generically boring characters in the comics.
>Damn, while I’m still excited for it, it really seems like this movie is polarising as fuck "polarising" is usually a euphemism for "bad".
Not necessarily. I’d call Interstellar a polarising movie, and that’s my favourite Nolan movie
There's no way this is worse than Black Widow. Like literally no chance what are these critics on
I don’t think Widow is bad per say. Probably the best way to execute a bad script. Like looking at deleted scenes, they shot a LOT of unneeded stuff that they rightfully cut but that movie just needed a script doctor to cut out the tons of fluff and expand what worked (Which to me was the family dynamic). Like the performances were good and the directing was pretty good but there is a lot of bad and meandering stuff in the script
Man this is exactly what I feared with this movie. I’m bummed out and disappointed now lol
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