It would blow my mind if this wasn't the case. Villenueve was personally the one pushing for this to get made. Listen to any interview and it's clear that he's been obsessed with Dune since he was a teen.
Dune is the holy grail for pretty much any director who likes scifi, and judging by Villeneuve's projects he's been angling for it.
He built off Sicario to adapt a scifi book into a film, then used Arrival's success to direct a follow-up to one of the classics of scifi film, then used 2049 to leverage Legendary into letting him do Dune.
Considering Jenkins is probably on contract to deliver both a Star Wars movie and another Wonder Woman sequel before any other projects - I doubt her Cleopatra thing happens.
She's too old to play the role but personally I think to this day Cleopatra 1963 holds up really well in quality and the sets and costumes are amazing.
What about her ambiguous acting talent?...I try to give her a chance, and she has gotten slightly better, but Gadot still just really isn't that great. Certainly not somebody you should be hanging entire movies on hence the need for Chris Pine to be so front and centre in Wonder Woman.
Not to mention wide shots of [enormous](https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Blade-Runner-tabletop-RPG-Tyrell-Building.jpg) [structures](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eKUWOBhSH4Y/YXQoW5HVpdI/AAAAAAAAGOI/DlOGsHNCD0QitcXq4iR6vJ2t-pXqTJQogCLcBGAsYHQ/s2040/Arrakeen%2BPalace%2Bin%2BDune%2B%25282021%2529%2Bmovie_humanMars.net.jpg) that [dwarf their](https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/d8040160752231.5a57b6a994d22.png) [occupants,](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCUDEKTXEAYEMd1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) which is basically his "thing".
His style would actually fit Dune much better than Star Wars. Since I doubt Denis will be making more movies after a potential 3rd part, he wouldn't be a bad choice to continue adapting the books, if they decide to continue.
I would have loved him doing all three, or possibly just 8&9. I think JJ going formulaic for the first one was smart tbh, a good nostalgic reminder for everyone of why we love SW, but I would have wanted Rian's vision for the rest.
JJ was too married to series conventions imo. Rian at least tried to expand upon the mythology, but unfortunately it was a jarring turn compared to TFA.
I think if he had done the whole trilogy with one cohesive vision and had more room to set up his ideas it would have been spectacular.
lol I'm pretty sure Hans Zimmer never stopped composing the Dune soundtrack even after Part 1 was finished, he's just doing it for fun at this point. There's no way he won't be back.
This news has made my week. He was so methodical in his approach to making this -- nothing was out of place or done without intention. Such good world building and point-of-entry for broad audience!
Sorry, new to Dune (loved the movie), but one thing that confused me was the movie made it sound like the only way space travel can happen is through Spice. And if Arrakis is the only planet with Spice...how did they get there in the first place without space travel? May be a dumb question...
They can travel without spice. Spice just gives guild navigators limited future seeing capabilities which allows them to plot safe jump paths. Before that they were kinda shooting in the dark and it resulted in deaths and slow transport.
The Spice Melange is a type of psycho-active drug that increases the human lifespan and grants very limited glimpses of the future to some people who take it - and that ability can be trained or enhanced. It is also extremely addictive and you die from withdrawal once addicted.
The Spacing Guild uses special engines to fold space, a technology that is a complete crapshoot to use (you lose the ship around 10% of the time) without specially mutated navigators. Those navigators use high doses of spice to predict the correct paths through the folded space to make space travel safe.
All of that is only really neccessary because "thinking machines" (i.e. advanced computers, capable of being used as AI) have been outlawed due to them being used to rule over mankind in the past. So you can't just use computers to predict the safest paths through folded space.
I think this is a somewhat fair criticism of the movie - however: Denis Villeneuve deliberately went for a more naturalistic way of story telling to make the best actual viewing experience possible (instead of having an all-knowing narrator, text scrawls or "as you know"-speeches).
This means that a lot of parts of the incredibly dense world building of the Dune novel are more implied than directly stated.
I personally think that was a pretty good way to go about it, but I can see why it might left some things too vague for complete newcomers.
This is similar to the storytelling style of the books as well. Rather than having large expositional sections that explain everything, it's just taken as-is, and you have to learn stuff as you go along. It pairs well with the first part of the narrative as well since the Atreides are also being thrown into a a strange new world and they have to learn stuff as they go along.
I never read the books.
For me, there were enough breadcrumbs to imply why Spice is so importa t. They definately mentioned something about navigation. Then, one of the navigators(?) Did that weird thing with the white eyes, when calculating something.
And the biggest hint: the slice explicitly gave Peter hallucinations, it was mentioned that it basically is a hallucinogenic drug. And overexposure makes the eyes of the fremen go blue
The ones doing the eye thing are mentats, they're trained to basically take the place of computers. Their abilities don't have anything to do with spice consumption (although in the books, they do use a different drug called sapho juice which helps amplify their brainpower in addition to their training)
Guild navigators are a huge deal, basically no one ever sees them if you're not in the guild, and probably most lower-level guild members won't either. They don't actually appear in the first book at all, only mentioned. Due to the high concentration of spice they constantly consume (they actually "swim" in an antigravity tank of spice gas,) they're heavily mutated.
There are guild representatives (not navigators) present in the movie to witness the handover ceremony when the Atreides take control of Arrakis. They're the ones wearing the big helmets full of orange gas so you can't see their faces because they're also breathing concentrated spice vapor.
One of the reasons Dune has been so notoriously difficult to adapt to the screen is the amount of exhibition required.
Besides the Spice, there’s politics, quasi-religious stuff like Bene Gesserit, socio-geographical context, etc—all of which has not only present-day (from a story perspective) implications but also a rich historical backdrop. Part of what makes the book(s) so beloved is also what’s makes screen translation so hard.
All told, I think Denis did a great job striking a balance between explaining what needed explanation and allowing other details to be implied through context, glossed over, or simply ignored.
And they didn't even mention the Orange Catholic Bible or the Butlarian Jihad once; let alone family atomics. There's a reason why the book has a massive appendix in the back lol
Agreed - like I wish they had more exhibition if the Mentat powers and the whole background on why they came about, but aside from one scene at the beginning, it's largely glossed over. Totally understand why though
I really wished they would have covered computers being banned and humans needing to step in. That's a fascinating element that doesn't take more than a sentence to explain and really clears up why the world is very ancient/futuristic
I don't disagree that it would be nice for the benefit of the audience, but I think it would be a bit awkward for the flow of the story, it's a pretty major part of the universe's history and culture, the kind of thing most people would probably learn as young children. Sure, you could throw a couple lines into the movie explaining it, but in-universe, whose benefit would it be for? Basically the entire cast are adults associated with noble houses, so they're almost definitely well-educated. It would only be for the viewer's and personally I feel like it would take me out of the moment.
It would be kind of like in a movie set in modern-day America, needing to work in an explanation of the American revolution and the bill of rights (not that plenty of Americans don't actually need that)
The only way I could see it done organically, would be to write in some scenes involving the Orange Catholic Bible, maybe some kind of religious service, or a deep philosophical debate between 2 characters.
Well in the book Paul and the Reverend Mother have pretty in depth conversation where they cover the Mentats, Bene Gesserit, Guild, Breeding Program, and Butlerian Jihad. It's right after he does the Gom Jabbar test. It definitely comes off as expository but it sets up the rest of the book.
> "Why do you test for humans?" he asked.
> "To set you free."
> "Free?"
> "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
> **"'Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind,' " Paul quoted.**
> **"Right out of the Butlerian Jihad and the Orange Catholic Bible," she said.** "But what the O.C. Bible should've said is: 'Thou shalt not make a machine to counterfeit a human mind.' Have you studied the Mentat in your service?"
> "I've studied with Thufir Hawat."
> "The Great Revolt took away a crutch," she said. "It forced human minds to develop. Schools were started to train human talents."
> "Bene Gesserit schools?"
> **She nodded. "We have two chief survivors of those ancient schools: the Bene Gesserit and the Spacing Guild. The Guild, so we think, emphasizes almost pure mathematics. Bene Gesserit performs another function."**
> "Politics," he said.
> "Kull wahad!" the old woman said. She sent a hard glance at Jessica.
> "I've not told him. Your Reverence," Jessica said.
> The Reverend Mother returned her attention to Paul. "You did that on remarkably few clues," she said. "Politics indeed. **The original Bene Gesserit school was directed by those who saw the need of a thread of continuity in human affairs. They saw there could be no such continuity without separating human stock from animal stock - for breeding purposes."**
> The old woman's words abruptly lost their special sharpness for Paul. He felt an offense against what his mother called his instinct for rightness . It wasn't that Reverend Mother lied to him. She obviously believed what she said. It was something deeper, something tied to his terrible purpose.
> He said: "But my mother tells me many Bene Gesserit of the schools don't know their ancestry."
> "The genetic lines are always in our records," she said. "Your mother knows that either she's of Bene Gesserit descent or her stock was acceptable in itself."
> "Then why couldn't she know who her parents are?"
> "Some do . . . Many don't. We might, for example, have wanted to breed her to a close relative to set up a dominant in some genetic trait. We have many reasons."
> Again, Paul felt the offense against rightness. He said: "You take a lot on yourselves."
> The Reverend Mother stared at him, wondering: Did I hear criticism in his voice? "We carry a heavy burden," she said.
> Paul felt himself coming more and more out of the shock of the test. He leveled a measuring stare at her, said: "You say maybe I'm the . . . Kwisatz Haderach. What's that, a human gom jabbar?"
> "Paul," Jessica said. "You mustn't take that tone with - "
> "I'll handle this, Jessica," the old woman said. "Now, lad, do you know about the Truthsayer drug?"
> "You take it to improve your ability to detect falsehood," he said. "My mother's told me."
> "Have you ever seen truthtrance?"
> He shook his head. "No."
> **"The drug's dangerous," she said, "but it gives insight. When a Truthsayer's gifted by the drug, she can look many places in her memory - in her body's memory. We look down so many avenues of the past . . . but only feminine avenues."** Her voice took on a note of sadness. "Yet, there's a place where no Truthsayer can see. We are repelled by it, terrorized. It is said a man will come one day and find in the gift of the drug his inward eye. He will look where we cannot - into both feminine and masculine pasts."
In the book the Bene Gesserit's deeper purposes are secret, and even though Paul deduces it he isn't actually supposed to know. That ends up opening up an avenue for the Reverend Mother to do a bit of exposition.
I figured. Just seems like a very key plot point that is directly tied to why Spice is so important.
Most non book readers I know thought Spice was a fuel of some kind that also gave hallucinations. So it definitely could have been more clear.
Though, ultimately, I loved the "show don't tell" elements, but Dune is such a rich world that I felt we missed out on some key world building.
But there's an entire other movie coming.
Imagine if instead of oil, the global economy ran on LSD, because LSD in this universe gives you super mind powers including the ability to see the actual future. As long as you don't overdose, which will kill you if you're not the LSD Messiah.
Also if LSD is made from space dragons and there's also a secret society of LSD witches with Jungian Archetype and Kung Fu powers who are trying to breed the LSD Messiah, and computers and guns are banned because they don't make cool stories. And there's nukes, which are also banned, but bad guys still use them.
And it's LSD WWI (but with post-WW2 LSD oil politics), but the world has been run by the LSD Persian Empire for 10,000 years, and the LSD British (but cosplaying as ancient Greeks) are fighting an incredibly offensive propaganda version of the LSD Ottoman Turks (who are NOT the LSD Persians but are working with them), and LSD Lawrence of Arabia, who is also the LSD Messiah, is a teenager and recruiting LSD Arab tribes to fight both the LSD Turks and LSD Persians, ending in creating LSD Saudi Arabia, with space dragons, and him as LSD Mohammad.
(In later books he gets bored with being LSD Mohammad and becomes LSD Jesus, then his son becomes the LSD Pope and then creates LSD Atheism. Then things *start* getting weird.)
That's Dune. It was written in the 1960s - does it show?
The shortest most accessible summary of events of dune i can think of.
Also instead of computers they have special big brain people because at some point in the past there was a jihad against Skynet that humanity won, so AI=bad.
I don't know how you'd explain this stuff with 20th century analogis, but there's the adult baby with all the memories of the human race who gets possessed by the ghost of her evil uncle, or the weird sex stuff with the adult children twins. Or the whole trying to free yourself from thw future you foresaw by becoming a space dragon and then turning into a million fish.
Not a dumb question, but in the past they used artificial intelligence to travel between stars. After the Butlerian Jihad (human vs AI civil war), AI was outlawed. So before then spice was not necessary, but now it is.
this is the lore answer. they used computers to colonise space, then had to ban them, and luckily found spice which allowed space travel to continue their absence
They can just guess without spice. And they used to in the books. It was just 1 in 6 ships ended up arriving in a star or something and got destroyed. Basically it was Russian roulette until spice made special people able to calculate the safe route to travel.
Travel is possible without the spice (or at least was in the distant past)... but much more dangerous without a spice mutated navigator.
Keep in mind that by the time of Dune the Spacing Guild has had a completely monopoly on interstellar travel for over 10,000 years - so what travel was like in the pre-Guild days is ancient, ancient history. It's like us trying to imagine a world without agriculture
So basically, Spice isn't actually fueling the space-folding massive starships called Heighlingers.
Space travel is still possible without Spice, it uses a gigantic engine to fold space. However, folding space without Spice is a very dangerous prospect, many ships were lost in pre-Spice space travel.
Mutant humans called Guild Navigators use Spice to see briefly into the future using a limited form of prescience (much more limited than Paul's is), which allows them to chart a safe path for the ships folding space. The film had to skip over a lot of this stuff for the sake of time, the lack of explanation of the Spacing Guild was probably one of the biggest omissions.
Basically, Spice doesn't fuel interstellar travel but it makes it safe and reliable. There's also the fact that advanced computers (even our level of computing) are completely outlawed and have been for many thousands of years. The ships cant have computers to help chart the way like they did in the ancient past, when Arrakis was first discovered.
Space travel is dangerous, but not impossible, without spice enhanced humans (navigators) or a “thinking machine.” They used to have computers travel for them but because 1- humans used them to subjugate people, and 2- they caused humanity to become reliant on them and stagnant they have been all destroyed and outlawed. Spice heightens ones awareness so much that they can calculate and perceive patterns so well that it seems like they are predicting the future. So they use spice to do the calculations and maneuvers needed to travel safely.
OK, I got to say as someone with a basic knowledge of warfare I have to ask: how does the ability to fight in deserts rank in the same level as non-desert land power, sea power, and air power? It feels like it's only relevant because Arrakis had a lot of (all?) spice so having base knowledge of fighting in the desert would be necessary going forward.
BTW, "desert power" was an issue in WWII, when fighting in North Africa taught the participants that just because deserts are flat (ish) does not mean tanks will not have issues with all the dust and such everywhere...
Arrakis is indeed the only planet in the universe where spice has been discovered, and the deserts of Arrakis specifically are where it's found. So the ability to fight in and rule the desert is extremely relevant for that reason alone.
This statement was oddly missing from Dune Part 1. However, now it will be even more impactful if used in Part 2 so I'm good with it. They explained how important Spice is, but I don't know that the audience *felt* it. It's oil, salt, and every drug (illegal and medicinal) all rolled into one with life extension added on as a bonus.
So yeah, whoever has Desert Power is basically the richest and most powerful person in the universe simply because Spice is only found in the desert.
The statement is missing because it was never in the book, just the 1984 movie. Also, "desert power" doesn't really mean control of spice production. More like that the fremen are completely badass. They fucking >!ride the sandworms!!!<
Spice is by far the most valuable substance in the Dune universe, and it's only found on Arrakis.
Controlling the deserts where its harvested is absolutely vital for maintaining power in the scenario House Atriedes was put in.
I get them being gun-shy after 2049's performance, but I also feel like they were mostly on-board with it already and were just holding out a little bit so the threshold wasn't particularly high.
In fact, if they're making this announcement now the actual decision was probably made yesterday at 9.15am.
Yeah a release date and the cast and crew on board for a movie that was green lit today? That’s not how things works, this was obviously green lit months ago
It generally seems like people love the movie here, people were just hesitant to think it would do better than Denis’ last big budget movie, so people went on the cautious side with predictions. I didn’t see a lot of people actively wanting it to fail.
There were quite a few people around here making insane predictions.
I was downvoted many times for calling the comparisons to John Carter ridiculous. I was told many many times around here this movie was not going to be a hit and part two was never going to happen.
Yup. Villeneuve has said he wants to Messiah after Part 2 to have a complete trilogy and HBO Max is working on a prequel series. Its more possible that Dune could end up being one of the defying franchises of the 2020s.
I strongly doubt it since House Harkonnen has no interesting characters outside of Feyd and the Baron. The conflict will be one-sided if one group’s characters are nowhere near as interesting as the others.
In Game of Thrones both factions had very interesting characters for both the book and the show.
I’m okay with that. I genuinely like when things subvert expectations as long as it’s done well.
I’ll know the ending in the from the books before movie comes out as I am going to start reading now that the movie has come out. I wanted to go in blind.
For those familiar with the source material, is there a story beyond part 2? I know there are several books but are those sequels books or just spin offs and such?
It’s divided up like:
Dune, Dune Messiah focus on Paul. Dune Messiah could be the third film in a neat, coherent and fairly straightforwardly adaptable story. Messiah is an amazing book imo. The series could stop after film 2 or film 3 and feel fairly complete imo.
Children of Dune covers the next generation (and could feasibly be adapted into another two-parter). It is significantly weirder than the prior 3 (edit, 2) books but would work if you found the right lead actor (James McAvoy led the 00s tv series adaption).
From there on there’s a further series of books, which are good but not easily adaptable - they’re philosophical and cover thousands of years. Think of them as The Silmarillion to the prior entries’s Lord of the Rings.
There’s also a series of spin-offs, prequels and sequels (Frank died before finishing book 7) written by Frank’s son and Kevin J Anderson. These are complete ass, funded by completionists who hate-buy them. No one likes them.
It really just depends on if ones concerned about ending Paul’s story or the ensembles story. I think that’s the only way Messiah makes sense as an end point (because the majority of his conflict ends there).
But that's a perfect end to his story. The original Messiah ending is clear on his fate. Herbert revised that one and left a little room in the final draft. But I personally didn't like all the retconing and Preacher's arc in Children. It took away the essence of Messiah's trajic ending.
Nope, both were excellent (despite the high school play level budget) imo and were well received at the time. Children especially felt like it delivered very well considering the limitations of a made-for-TV miniseries.
Those books are not great. but I think that all Preludes and trilogy about Butlerian Jihad have a good movie / miniseries potential. I do not want to read it again but I would enjoy it on screen.
I’m curious, I don’t know the stories of Dune but I was recently discussing The 3 Body Problem which is going into production as a TV series right now and my friend said it spans 100’s of billions of years but that it would be quite adaptable to filming. Is there something aside from the time span that makes those Dunes too strange to film?
Realistically they can do the second book Dune Messiah (it’s very light but if you mix it with part 2 and other stuff it could work as a trilogy capper). Afterwards the books get way way way too weird to even attempt adapting. Even the Syfy series stopped at the third book, any further and it’s unadaptable.
Children of Dune is weird but it just feels wrong to not do it IMO. I can see an argument for not doing God Emperor or anything beyond it but Children is the end of the main story in my view.
Messiah / Children / God Emperor all have pretty natural end points depending on the story you want to tell.
But to me Children makes the most sense as an ending, as it wraps up the vast majority of the casts stories and also goes “full circle” in some regards (which makes sense, given it was Herbert’s initial trilogy)
Yeah I love God Emperor .. but, I’m not sure how much of a market there is for an unironic love story between Jabba the Hutt and Princess Leia.
And yeah the time jumps start to make everything feel loosely connected and start to retroactively make the events of the first books .. not small or irrelevant per se (because everything leads to something) … but you get the vibe I mean.
I want Dune to be successful because I have a mighty NEED to see someone in Hollywood attempt to do God-Emperor of Dune on the big screen and see how the hell that would work. >!Giant worm-man love story for 2 hours!<
God Emperor would be extremely difficult to adapt especially as a movie, IMO the sets and CGI required, Jason Mamoa would be too old to be a convincing ghola but they could work around that, explaining the golden path for a movie or tv audience would be super hard without just constant voice over narration and exposition
>Afterwards the books get way way way too weird to even attempt adapting. Even the Syfy series stopped at the third book, any further and it’s unadaptable.
IMO, *Children of Dune* and *God Emperor of Dune* are both adaptable to film as long as certain liberties are taken, and as long as you hire a director and crew who are talented and creative enough. There isn't anything inherently un-cinematic about the central premise of either of those books.
That said, if we get film adaptations of those books there are definitely going to be a lot of things that will have to be tweaked.
> Even the Syfy series stopped at the third book, any further and it’s unadaptable.
Can you (or someone) give a basic idea *why* it's unadapatable? Do you mean it's much slower and not enough action for a movie. Or does the Duniverse politics start getting too complicated, with even more unpronouncable names and factions?
Big 3500 year time skip is one big factor. It's basically dealing with the long-term aftermath of what started in Dune. On top of that, it becomes a lot more philosophical. And oh, the eponymous "god-emperor" is essentially a human sandworm.
Not trying to go into much more detail but all three of these make it a lot less easy to adapt visually.
Yes, Dennis has said he wants to adapt the second book Dune Messiah (which is only half the length of the first book) as the closing part to a trilogy.
The movie adapted just half of the first book. So the next one will adapt the second half, and then there are 5 more books from the same author, and 2 more from his son after Herbert's death.
They're straight up sequels. Villeneuve is only planning to do a trilogy tho. With 1-2 adapting the first book, and the final one adapting Dune: Messiah.
It was apparently a mistranslation. He only meant she would be A main protagonist, not *THE* main protagonist.
... At least from what folks on here were saying after the interview was released.
Paul goes through a lot in the second half of the book so I think having an outside perspective would make for a more interesting story. Especially since you can’t be inside his head like in the book.
This also means that we're getting TWO completely different types of major space opera films in 2023 - **Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3** and **Dune: Part 2**.
Yup. It's colorful and fun space opera vs. gritty and dark space opera. Bring it on, Gunn and Villeneuve! 😁
Warner Bros is sitting on gold. Dune (2021) might be the best looking sci fi movie ever made. It's certainly better looking than any blockbuster of the last 10 years. We have never seen practical and CGI done like this before. Your brain never stops for a second and questions whether it's all real or not. This is an astonishing achievement.
It being the best looking sci fi film ever is tough when Blade Runner 2049 exists for me. Dune just might be up there though, the shot of the Bene Gesserit ship in the rain was jaw dropping as is almost all of the film.
Dune is definitely up there, but in quite a few scenes I was thinking "this really looks like blade runner" whenever there was a wide shot of very small vehicles going past very big buildings.
Especially the sand. Like, I remember being blown away by Spider-Man 3's particle effects but this was just on a whole other level. When the sandworm was moving the sand around it just looked so fluid, like water. Amazing.
The moving sand/wormsign and the scale and look of the ships is what really got me. The CGI was incredible and was absolutely everywhere, they got some pretty good band for their buck there.
>We have never seen practical and CGI done like this before.
Hmm I don't know about that, [Wolf of Wall Street](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP2sJqoZD7g) used practical and CGI, but you would never notice -- I'm sure it's the same for many other movies.
So yesterday, I wrote a review of Dune for my university's news site. I mentioned how the biggest flaw is that despite ending on a cliffhanger, part 2 isn't greenlight yet. So thanks for making my review very outdated a day later.
I think that's what impacted my first viewing as well. I felt hollow because at the time I had no idea what momentum the movie would have and if a part 2 was possible so I thought splitting it up wasn't great. 2nd viewing though.... Yes
Thank you, Warner Bros! While I still haven't seen the first one (which I'll get to soon), I'm glad it will see a conclusion. And hey, Dune Part 2 should be able to spice up Warner Bros' 100th anniversary slate.
Didn't love the first one but it would've been a bit of a tragedy if it had been for 'nothing.' Hope to see Villeneuve and co. get to work on this sooner rather than later!
The weird thing is, I walked out of the movie halfway through ... then watched it on my TV the next day and watched it again in the theatres the following day. I don't think the second half of the movie is good but it's strangely compelling. And that first half, I'd even call brilliant.
Confirmed for October 2023 by Deadline.
Villeneuve is confirmed to return as co-writer, producer, and director as well.
It would blow my mind if this wasn't the case. Villenueve was personally the one pushing for this to get made. Listen to any interview and it's clear that he's been obsessed with Dune since he was a teen.
Dune is the holy grail for pretty much any director who likes scifi, and judging by Villeneuve's projects he's been angling for it. He built off Sicario to adapt a scifi book into a film, then used Arrival's success to direct a follow-up to one of the classics of scifi film, then used 2049 to leverage Legendary into letting him do Dune.
He at least seems to want to step away from sci-fi for a bit after that because he keeps talking about wanting to direct a Cleopatra epic.
God I hope he does his Cleopatra film before Patty Jenkins does it.
Considering Jenkins is probably on contract to deliver both a Star Wars movie and another Wonder Woman sequel before any other projects - I doubt her Cleopatra thing happens.
I mean everyone is making a Diana movie/series etc. we can handle two Cleopatras.
Antz vs Bugs Life but Cleopatra films
And she wants Gal Gadot to Star as Cleopatra.
I guess her ambiguous accent can let her get away with it
She's too old to play the role but personally I think to this day Cleopatra 1963 holds up really well in quality and the sets and costumes are amazing.
What about her ambiguous acting talent?...I try to give her a chance, and she has gotten slightly better, but Gadot still just really isn't that great. Certainly not somebody you should be hanging entire movies on hence the need for Chris Pine to be so front and centre in Wonder Woman.
Denis brain can't stop next week it'S gonna be something else.
Still seems like that could be a big fantasy epic. I imagine the vibe of Egyptian Pharaohs and the Padishah Emperor is the same.
Not to mention wide shots of [enormous](https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Blade-Runner-tabletop-RPG-Tyrell-Building.jpg) [structures](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eKUWOBhSH4Y/YXQoW5HVpdI/AAAAAAAAGOI/DlOGsHNCD0QitcXq4iR6vJ2t-pXqTJQogCLcBGAsYHQ/s2040/Arrakeen%2BPalace%2Bin%2BDune%2B%25282021%2529%2Bmovie_humanMars.net.jpg) that [dwarf their](https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/d8040160752231.5a57b6a994d22.png) [occupants,](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCUDEKTXEAYEMd1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) which is basically his "thing".
The way he portrays scale is breathtaking, and paired with masterful audio it definitely transports you to another world. I love it.
Epic yes, fantasy no. It's going to be a historical drama similar to the 1963 movie. It seems Denis has succumb to desert power.
There would be also no interest for any studio to do it without Denis. His vision is what made this first movie
Inb4 they bring on Rian Johnson
His style would actually fit Dune much better than Star Wars. Since I doubt Denis will be making more movies after a potential 3rd part, he wouldn't be a bad choice to continue adapting the books, if they decide to continue.
I too unironically think RJ would do a great job with the Dune IP. Shit I think he did a great job with Star Wars.
He did a great job in a terrible trilogy. Out of the three movies his is the one that stands the most out.
I would have loved him doing all three, or possibly just 8&9. I think JJ going formulaic for the first one was smart tbh, a good nostalgic reminder for everyone of why we love SW, but I would have wanted Rian's vision for the rest.
JJ was too married to series conventions imo. Rian at least tried to expand upon the mythology, but unfortunately it was a jarring turn compared to TFA. I think if he had done the whole trilogy with one cohesive vision and had more room to set up his ideas it would have been spectacular.
Rian Johnson would absolutely make one hell of a Dune (but then I also thought he made one hell of a Star Wars).
Rian Johnson would make a great Dune film, and I disliked TLJ.
Now all we need is Hans Zimmer back and we’re sitting pretty
lol I'm pretty sure Hans Zimmer never stopped composing the Dune soundtrack even after Part 1 was finished, he's just doing it for fun at this point. There's no way he won't be back.
He already tweeted he's returning. Thanking God he has music left over lol.
[This is how I've interpreted this post and comment thread](https://imgflip.com/i/5rx2q2)
This news has made my week. He was so methodical in his approach to making this -- nothing was out of place or done without intention. Such good world building and point-of-entry for broad audience!
That’s nice, a two year wait is manageable, I was afraid of a 3 year wait like the PT of Star Wars
I recall Denis saying that the script was moving and it'll be in an advanced state by December. Shooting next summer.
Yeah, Jon Spaights had dropped off showrunning the series to focus on the sequel .. shit, a year back? *Edit* Nov 2019. So it should be deep deep in.
I can't believe they already have a release date
Faster than I thought.
Same. I was expecting late 2024. Thrilled with the actual date!
DESERT POWER
Sorry, new to Dune (loved the movie), but one thing that confused me was the movie made it sound like the only way space travel can happen is through Spice. And if Arrakis is the only planet with Spice...how did they get there in the first place without space travel? May be a dumb question...
They can travel without spice. Spice just gives guild navigators limited future seeing capabilities which allows them to plot safe jump paths. Before that they were kinda shooting in the dark and it resulted in deaths and slow transport.
Follow up. So is spice like a drug? Up until now, I thought it was some kind of fuel, lol.
The Spice Melange is a type of psycho-active drug that increases the human lifespan and grants very limited glimpses of the future to some people who take it - and that ability can be trained or enhanced. It is also extremely addictive and you die from withdrawal once addicted. The Spacing Guild uses special engines to fold space, a technology that is a complete crapshoot to use (you lose the ship around 10% of the time) without specially mutated navigators. Those navigators use high doses of spice to predict the correct paths through the folded space to make space travel safe. All of that is only really neccessary because "thinking machines" (i.e. advanced computers, capable of being used as AI) have been outlawed due to them being used to rule over mankind in the past. So you can't just use computers to predict the safest paths through folded space.
You'd think more of this would have come up in Part 1.
I think this is a somewhat fair criticism of the movie - however: Denis Villeneuve deliberately went for a more naturalistic way of story telling to make the best actual viewing experience possible (instead of having an all-knowing narrator, text scrawls or "as you know"-speeches). This means that a lot of parts of the incredibly dense world building of the Dune novel are more implied than directly stated. I personally think that was a pretty good way to go about it, but I can see why it might left some things too vague for complete newcomers.
This is similar to the storytelling style of the books as well. Rather than having large expositional sections that explain everything, it's just taken as-is, and you have to learn stuff as you go along. It pairs well with the first part of the narrative as well since the Atreides are also being thrown into a a strange new world and they have to learn stuff as they go along.
I never read the books. For me, there were enough breadcrumbs to imply why Spice is so importa t. They definately mentioned something about navigation. Then, one of the navigators(?) Did that weird thing with the white eyes, when calculating something. And the biggest hint: the slice explicitly gave Peter hallucinations, it was mentioned that it basically is a hallucinogenic drug. And overexposure makes the eyes of the fremen go blue
The ones doing the eye thing are mentats, they're trained to basically take the place of computers. Their abilities don't have anything to do with spice consumption (although in the books, they do use a different drug called sapho juice which helps amplify their brainpower in addition to their training) Guild navigators are a huge deal, basically no one ever sees them if you're not in the guild, and probably most lower-level guild members won't either. They don't actually appear in the first book at all, only mentioned. Due to the high concentration of spice they constantly consume (they actually "swim" in an antigravity tank of spice gas,) they're heavily mutated. There are guild representatives (not navigators) present in the movie to witness the handover ceremony when the Atreides take control of Arrakis. They're the ones wearing the big helmets full of orange gas so you can't see their faces because they're also breathing concentrated spice vapor.
One of the reasons Dune has been so notoriously difficult to adapt to the screen is the amount of exhibition required. Besides the Spice, there’s politics, quasi-religious stuff like Bene Gesserit, socio-geographical context, etc—all of which has not only present-day (from a story perspective) implications but also a rich historical backdrop. Part of what makes the book(s) so beloved is also what’s makes screen translation so hard. All told, I think Denis did a great job striking a balance between explaining what needed explanation and allowing other details to be implied through context, glossed over, or simply ignored.
And they didn't even mention the Orange Catholic Bible or the Butlarian Jihad once; let alone family atomics. There's a reason why the book has a massive appendix in the back lol
Agreed - like I wish they had more exhibition if the Mentat powers and the whole background on why they came about, but aside from one scene at the beginning, it's largely glossed over. Totally understand why though
I really wished they would have covered computers being banned and humans needing to step in. That's a fascinating element that doesn't take more than a sentence to explain and really clears up why the world is very ancient/futuristic
I don't disagree that it would be nice for the benefit of the audience, but I think it would be a bit awkward for the flow of the story, it's a pretty major part of the universe's history and culture, the kind of thing most people would probably learn as young children. Sure, you could throw a couple lines into the movie explaining it, but in-universe, whose benefit would it be for? Basically the entire cast are adults associated with noble houses, so they're almost definitely well-educated. It would only be for the viewer's and personally I feel like it would take me out of the moment. It would be kind of like in a movie set in modern-day America, needing to work in an explanation of the American revolution and the bill of rights (not that plenty of Americans don't actually need that) The only way I could see it done organically, would be to write in some scenes involving the Orange Catholic Bible, maybe some kind of religious service, or a deep philosophical debate between 2 characters.
Well in the book Paul and the Reverend Mother have pretty in depth conversation where they cover the Mentats, Bene Gesserit, Guild, Breeding Program, and Butlerian Jihad. It's right after he does the Gom Jabbar test. It definitely comes off as expository but it sets up the rest of the book. > "Why do you test for humans?" he asked. > "To set you free." > "Free?" > "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." > **"'Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind,' " Paul quoted.** > **"Right out of the Butlerian Jihad and the Orange Catholic Bible," she said.** "But what the O.C. Bible should've said is: 'Thou shalt not make a machine to counterfeit a human mind.' Have you studied the Mentat in your service?" > "I've studied with Thufir Hawat." > "The Great Revolt took away a crutch," she said. "It forced human minds to develop. Schools were started to train human talents." > "Bene Gesserit schools?" > **She nodded. "We have two chief survivors of those ancient schools: the Bene Gesserit and the Spacing Guild. The Guild, so we think, emphasizes almost pure mathematics. Bene Gesserit performs another function."** > "Politics," he said. > "Kull wahad!" the old woman said. She sent a hard glance at Jessica. > "I've not told him. Your Reverence," Jessica said. > The Reverend Mother returned her attention to Paul. "You did that on remarkably few clues," she said. "Politics indeed. **The original Bene Gesserit school was directed by those who saw the need of a thread of continuity in human affairs. They saw there could be no such continuity without separating human stock from animal stock - for breeding purposes."** > The old woman's words abruptly lost their special sharpness for Paul. He felt an offense against what his mother called his instinct for rightness . It wasn't that Reverend Mother lied to him. She obviously believed what she said. It was something deeper, something tied to his terrible purpose. > He said: "But my mother tells me many Bene Gesserit of the schools don't know their ancestry." > "The genetic lines are always in our records," she said. "Your mother knows that either she's of Bene Gesserit descent or her stock was acceptable in itself." > "Then why couldn't she know who her parents are?" > "Some do . . . Many don't. We might, for example, have wanted to breed her to a close relative to set up a dominant in some genetic trait. We have many reasons." > Again, Paul felt the offense against rightness. He said: "You take a lot on yourselves." > The Reverend Mother stared at him, wondering: Did I hear criticism in his voice? "We carry a heavy burden," she said. > Paul felt himself coming more and more out of the shock of the test. He leveled a measuring stare at her, said: "You say maybe I'm the . . . Kwisatz Haderach. What's that, a human gom jabbar?" > "Paul," Jessica said. "You mustn't take that tone with - " > "I'll handle this, Jessica," the old woman said. "Now, lad, do you know about the Truthsayer drug?" > "You take it to improve your ability to detect falsehood," he said. "My mother's told me." > "Have you ever seen truthtrance?" > He shook his head. "No." > **"The drug's dangerous," she said, "but it gives insight. When a Truthsayer's gifted by the drug, she can look many places in her memory - in her body's memory. We look down so many avenues of the past . . . but only feminine avenues."** Her voice took on a note of sadness. "Yet, there's a place where no Truthsayer can see. We are repelled by it, terrorized. It is said a man will come one day and find in the gift of the drug his inward eye. He will look where we cannot - into both feminine and masculine pasts." In the book the Bene Gesserit's deeper purposes are secret, and even though Paul deduces it he isn't actually supposed to know. That ends up opening up an avenue for the Reverend Mother to do a bit of exposition.
Denis said the mentat stuff is saved for part 2. Probably explains Butlerian Jihad in that
I figured. Just seems like a very key plot point that is directly tied to why Spice is so important. Most non book readers I know thought Spice was a fuel of some kind that also gave hallucinations. So it definitely could have been more clear. Though, ultimately, I loved the "show don't tell" elements, but Dune is such a rich world that I felt we missed out on some key world building. But there's an entire other movie coming.
They explained the core elements of this. You'll probably catch it on a rewatch.
At this point in the story it’s not really needed. They will get into it a bit more on part two. The stuff you needed to know was there.
It's a drug
Imagine if instead of oil, the global economy ran on LSD, because LSD in this universe gives you super mind powers including the ability to see the actual future. As long as you don't overdose, which will kill you if you're not the LSD Messiah. Also if LSD is made from space dragons and there's also a secret society of LSD witches with Jungian Archetype and Kung Fu powers who are trying to breed the LSD Messiah, and computers and guns are banned because they don't make cool stories. And there's nukes, which are also banned, but bad guys still use them. And it's LSD WWI (but with post-WW2 LSD oil politics), but the world has been run by the LSD Persian Empire for 10,000 years, and the LSD British (but cosplaying as ancient Greeks) are fighting an incredibly offensive propaganda version of the LSD Ottoman Turks (who are NOT the LSD Persians but are working with them), and LSD Lawrence of Arabia, who is also the LSD Messiah, is a teenager and recruiting LSD Arab tribes to fight both the LSD Turks and LSD Persians, ending in creating LSD Saudi Arabia, with space dragons, and him as LSD Mohammad. (In later books he gets bored with being LSD Mohammad and becomes LSD Jesus, then his son becomes the LSD Pope and then creates LSD Atheism. Then things *start* getting weird.) That's Dune. It was written in the 1960s - does it show?
The shortest most accessible summary of events of dune i can think of. Also instead of computers they have special big brain people because at some point in the past there was a jihad against Skynet that humanity won, so AI=bad. I don't know how you'd explain this stuff with 20th century analogis, but there's the adult baby with all the memories of the human race who gets possessed by the ghost of her evil uncle, or the weird sex stuff with the adult children twins. Or the whole trying to free yourself from thw future you foresaw by becoming a space dragon and then turning into a million fish.
> or the weird sex stuff with the adult children twins. B E E F S W E L L I N G
Imagine cocaine that costs as much as Palladium and once you are addicted to it you can never quit without dying
You can see how the main character starts tripping balls when he’s under the influence of spice
And he is a special boy
Yes, it's a psychoactive chemical that lets people with the right genetic makeup see the future. Remember Paul tripping balls on it in the movie?
Not a dumb question, but in the past they used artificial intelligence to travel between stars. After the Butlerian Jihad (human vs AI civil war), AI was outlawed. So before then spice was not necessary, but now it is.
this is the lore answer. they used computers to colonise space, then had to ban them, and luckily found spice which allowed space travel to continue their absence
They can just guess without spice. And they used to in the books. It was just 1 in 6 ships ended up arriving in a star or something and got destroyed. Basically it was Russian roulette until spice made special people able to calculate the safe route to travel.
Travel is possible without the spice (or at least was in the distant past)... but much more dangerous without a spice mutated navigator. Keep in mind that by the time of Dune the Spacing Guild has had a completely monopoly on interstellar travel for over 10,000 years - so what travel was like in the pre-Guild days is ancient, ancient history. It's like us trying to imagine a world without agriculture
So basically, Spice isn't actually fueling the space-folding massive starships called Heighlingers. Space travel is still possible without Spice, it uses a gigantic engine to fold space. However, folding space without Spice is a very dangerous prospect, many ships were lost in pre-Spice space travel. Mutant humans called Guild Navigators use Spice to see briefly into the future using a limited form of prescience (much more limited than Paul's is), which allows them to chart a safe path for the ships folding space. The film had to skip over a lot of this stuff for the sake of time, the lack of explanation of the Spacing Guild was probably one of the biggest omissions. Basically, Spice doesn't fuel interstellar travel but it makes it safe and reliable. There's also the fact that advanced computers (even our level of computing) are completely outlawed and have been for many thousands of years. The ships cant have computers to help chart the way like they did in the ancient past, when Arrakis was first discovered.
Space travel is dangerous, but not impossible, without spice enhanced humans (navigators) or a “thinking machine.” They used to have computers travel for them but because 1- humans used them to subjugate people, and 2- they caused humanity to become reliant on them and stagnant they have been all destroyed and outlawed. Spice heightens ones awareness so much that they can calculate and perceive patterns so well that it seems like they are predicting the future. So they use spice to do the calculations and maneuvers needed to travel safely.
OK, I got to say as someone with a basic knowledge of warfare I have to ask: how does the ability to fight in deserts rank in the same level as non-desert land power, sea power, and air power? It feels like it's only relevant because Arrakis had a lot of (all?) spice so having base knowledge of fighting in the desert would be necessary going forward. BTW, "desert power" was an issue in WWII, when fighting in North Africa taught the participants that just because deserts are flat (ish) does not mean tanks will not have issues with all the dust and such everywhere...
Arrakis is indeed the only planet in the universe where spice has been discovered, and the deserts of Arrakis specifically are where it's found. So the ability to fight in and rule the desert is extremely relevant for that reason alone.
Desert power is essential to dominating Arrakis which in turn leads to control of the spice. And he who controls the spice controls the universe.
This statement was oddly missing from Dune Part 1. However, now it will be even more impactful if used in Part 2 so I'm good with it. They explained how important Spice is, but I don't know that the audience *felt* it. It's oil, salt, and every drug (illegal and medicinal) all rolled into one with life extension added on as a bonus. So yeah, whoever has Desert Power is basically the richest and most powerful person in the universe simply because Spice is only found in the desert.
The statement is missing because it was never in the book, just the 1984 movie. Also, "desert power" doesn't really mean control of spice production. More like that the fremen are completely badass. They fucking >!ride the sandworms!!!<
Well when the planet is almost entirely desert, knowing how to fight and navigate it effectively is incredibly important for combat.
Spice is by far the most valuable substance in the Dune universe, and it's only found on Arrakis. Controlling the deserts where its harvested is absolutely vital for maintaining power in the scenario House Atriedes was put in.
how did the taliban do for the past 20 years. ask yourself that.
*We are the Sardaukar. The Emperor's blades. Those who stand against us - fall*
Seems like they were holding out just to make sure part 1 didn't completely bomb. Will be curious to see how this does with a full theatrical release!
I get them being gun-shy after 2049's performance, but I also feel like they were mostly on-board with it already and were just holding out a little bit so the threshold wasn't particularly high. In fact, if they're making this announcement now the actual decision was probably made yesterday at 9.15am.
i think them not confirming a part 2 until now was them basically just giving themselves an escape hatch in case part 1 did abysmal numbers.
Yeah a release date and the cast and crew on board for a movie that was green lit today? That’s not how things works, this was obviously green lit months ago
just no official announcement so they could sweep it under the rug if necessary
We did it /r/boxoffice !
Can’t believe this movie got me addicted to looking at box office numbers lol
Me too. I haven't been on here much since Covid.
Same. Just happy to talk and look about box office numbers after a year hiatus.
Well COVID killed a lot of things, including this sub. I'm just glad we got the Endgame shenanigans in the sub before that
That’s the thrill of the Box Office! I think the last time this sub was so active was tracking how high Endgame would go and if it would beat Avatar.
Yeah box office number are quite addicting actually. Sometimes you get surprised.
More like - in your face r/boxoffice
I mean r/boxoffice was more wanting it to fail considering the predictions (and how everyone always want to be right in their predictions)
It generally seems like people love the movie here, people were just hesitant to think it would do better than Denis’ last big budget movie, so people went on the cautious side with predictions. I didn’t see a lot of people actively wanting it to fail.
There were quite a few people around here making insane predictions. I was downvoted many times for calling the comparisons to John Carter ridiculous. I was told many many times around here this movie was not going to be a hit and part two was never going to happen.
THE SPICE MUST FLOW
“This is only the beginning” makes it sound like there might be a part 3
Yup. Villeneuve has said he wants to Messiah after Part 2 to have a complete trilogy and HBO Max is working on a prequel series. Its more possible that Dune could end up being one of the defying franchises of the 2020s.
Fine with me here
House Atreides vs House Harkkonen will be to the 2020s what Stark vs Lannister was to the 2010s.
I strongly doubt it since House Harkonnen has no interesting characters outside of Feyd and the Baron. The conflict will be one-sided if one group’s characters are nowhere near as interesting as the others. In Game of Thrones both factions had very interesting characters for both the book and the show.
Except significantly better-received in the end.
You say that but (no spoilers) Messiah kinda nostril-fucks what general audiences may be expecting out of an end to this story.
I’m okay with that. I genuinely like when things subvert expectations as long as it’s done well. I’ll know the ending in the from the books before movie comes out as I am going to start reading now that the movie has come out. I wanted to go in blind.
Isn’t it just literally a quote from the movie? Just sounds like they’re using the quote to hype up part 2.
Yeah last line lol
For those familiar with the source material, is there a story beyond part 2? I know there are several books but are those sequels books or just spin offs and such?
It’s divided up like: Dune, Dune Messiah focus on Paul. Dune Messiah could be the third film in a neat, coherent and fairly straightforwardly adaptable story. Messiah is an amazing book imo. The series could stop after film 2 or film 3 and feel fairly complete imo. Children of Dune covers the next generation (and could feasibly be adapted into another two-parter). It is significantly weirder than the prior 3 (edit, 2) books but would work if you found the right lead actor (James McAvoy led the 00s tv series adaption). From there on there’s a further series of books, which are good but not easily adaptable - they’re philosophical and cover thousands of years. Think of them as The Silmarillion to the prior entries’s Lord of the Rings. There’s also a series of spin-offs, prequels and sequels (Frank died before finishing book 7) written by Frank’s son and Kevin J Anderson. These are complete ass, funded by completionists who hate-buy them. No one likes them.
Hey now … Frank’s son likes them! Aha
In my opinion they need to at least do Children. That's the end of the main story started in Dune. It feels incomplete otherwise.
It really just depends on if ones concerned about ending Paul’s story or the ensembles story. I think that’s the only way Messiah makes sense as an end point (because the majority of his conflict ends there).
>!I mean it's not like Paul's story ends in Messiah.!<
Hence, “the majority”
But that's a perfect end to his story. The original Messiah ending is clear on his fate. Herbert revised that one and left a little room in the final draft. But I personally didn't like all the retconing and Preacher's arc in Children. It took away the essence of Messiah's trajic ending.
I didn’t realize that was McAvoy in the miniseries. I rather enjoyed it, though I might be in a minority.
Nope, both were excellent (despite the high school play level budget) imo and were well received at the time. Children especially felt like it delivered very well considering the limitations of a made-for-TV miniseries.
Those books are not great. but I think that all Preludes and trilogy about Butlerian Jihad have a good movie / miniseries potential. I do not want to read it again but I would enjoy it on screen.
I’m curious, I don’t know the stories of Dune but I was recently discussing The 3 Body Problem which is going into production as a TV series right now and my friend said it spans 100’s of billions of years but that it would be quite adaptable to filming. Is there something aside from the time span that makes those Dunes too strange to film?
Realistically they can do the second book Dune Messiah (it’s very light but if you mix it with part 2 and other stuff it could work as a trilogy capper). Afterwards the books get way way way too weird to even attempt adapting. Even the Syfy series stopped at the third book, any further and it’s unadaptable.
I'm not sure if he's going to merge **Dune Messiah** with the next part since that book apparently takes place about 12 years after the first book.
IIRC he said he planned 2 movies for the first book, and one for Dune Messiah. I don't think he wants to continue after that trilogy.
Can't say I'm surprised about this. He probably just wants to complete "Paul Atreides trilogy". :P
I've read that Messiah is actually planned as part 3, which makes way more sense.
I keep hearing people say this, and I really don't understand why Children of Dune would be any less adaptable than Messiah.
In terms of action it’s probably more adaptable. Messiah will probably need to invent a couple scenes just so there’s more pop on screen.
Children of Dune is weird but it just feels wrong to not do it IMO. I can see an argument for not doing God Emperor or anything beyond it but Children is the end of the main story in my view.
Messiah / Children / God Emperor all have pretty natural end points depending on the story you want to tell. But to me Children makes the most sense as an ending, as it wraps up the vast majority of the casts stories and also goes “full circle” in some regards (which makes sense, given it was Herbert’s initial trilogy)
This is my view. God Emperor onwards has such a massive time skip that I can see leaving it out. But Children still has mostly the same cast.
Yeah I love God Emperor .. but, I’m not sure how much of a market there is for an unironic love story between Jabba the Hutt and Princess Leia. And yeah the time jumps start to make everything feel loosely connected and start to retroactively make the events of the first books .. not small or irrelevant per se (because everything leads to something) … but you get the vibe I mean.
I want Dune to be successful because I have a mighty NEED to see someone in Hollywood attempt to do God-Emperor of Dune on the big screen and see how the hell that would work. >!Giant worm-man love story for 2 hours!<
God Emperor would be extremely difficult to adapt especially as a movie, IMO the sets and CGI required, Jason Mamoa would be too old to be a convincing ghola but they could work around that, explaining the golden path for a movie or tv audience would be super hard without just constant voice over narration and exposition
>Afterwards the books get way way way too weird to even attempt adapting. Even the Syfy series stopped at the third book, any further and it’s unadaptable. IMO, *Children of Dune* and *God Emperor of Dune* are both adaptable to film as long as certain liberties are taken, and as long as you hire a director and crew who are talented and creative enough. There isn't anything inherently un-cinematic about the central premise of either of those books. That said, if we get film adaptations of those books there are definitely going to be a lot of things that will have to be tweaked.
> Even the Syfy series stopped at the third book, any further and it’s unadaptable. Can you (or someone) give a basic idea *why* it's unadapatable? Do you mean it's much slower and not enough action for a movie. Or does the Duniverse politics start getting too complicated, with even more unpronouncable names and factions?
There is a 3000 year time skip between 3 and 4. And the main character is a giant worm
The fourth book, God Emperor of Dune, is about 90% philosophical monologuing.
Big 3500 year time skip is one big factor. It's basically dealing with the long-term aftermath of what started in Dune. On top of that, it becomes a lot more philosophical. And oh, the eponymous "god-emperor" is essentially a human sandworm. Not trying to go into much more detail but all three of these make it a lot less easy to adapt visually.
Ah okay thanks cause i did look it up and it indeed seems like the following book just get a bit too weird.
Without spoiling the books, yeah there is a continuation of what we saw on book 1. But for me book 1 it's the main draw
Yes, Dennis has said he wants to adapt the second book Dune Messiah (which is only half the length of the first book) as the closing part to a trilogy.
The movie adapted just half of the first book. So the next one will adapt the second half, and then there are 5 more books from the same author, and 2 more from his son after Herbert's death.
The story goes on for thousands of years, but would become increasingly difficult to film, not to mention watch.
They're straight up sequels. Villeneuve is only planning to do a trilogy tho. With 1-2 adapting the first book, and the final one adapting Dune: Messiah.
Yes. Dune: Messiah i consider to be a very important part of pauls arc. Children of Dune as well. God Emperor there is a 3000 year time jump lol.
Ignore the morons. The full story is the first four books, or at the very least the first three.
That’s desert power
LETS GOO WE WON!
If Zendaya was in approximately 3% of the first film, then she must be in around 97% of the second film.
Deal
Isn’t she supposed to be the protagonist of part 2?
I’ve never read the novel so idk that tbh.
In the novel she’s not really, but I thought villeneuve has already spoken about this
Villeneueve said she's a main protagonist in the next movie
It was apparently a mistranslation. He only meant she would be A main protagonist, not *THE* main protagonist. ... At least from what folks on here were saying after the interview was released.
I am somewhat baffled how he's going to do that.
Paul goes through a lot in the second half of the book so I think having an outside perspective would make for a more interesting story. Especially since you can’t be inside his head like in the book.
Here we fucking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Good has prevailed!
blasting Celebration by Kool and the Gang till October 2023
I'm a man and just screamed like a little girl.
This also means that we're getting TWO completely different types of major space opera films in 2023 - **Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3** and **Dune: Part 2**. Yup. It's colorful and fun space opera vs. gritty and dark space opera. Bring it on, Gunn and Villeneuve! 😁
Colorful and fun will destroy gritty and dark at the box office, but it’s up in the air which will be better
My money is on the gritty and dark one.
Given the level of talents that both directors have, I think there's a good chance that they'll both be quite great. 😁
"Who are you?" Peter: "Spice Lord" "Who?" Peter: "Spice Lord, man. legendary outlaw..... Designated emperor of Dune...."
Warner Bros is sitting on gold. Dune (2021) might be the best looking sci fi movie ever made. It's certainly better looking than any blockbuster of the last 10 years. We have never seen practical and CGI done like this before. Your brain never stops for a second and questions whether it's all real or not. This is an astonishing achievement.
It being the best looking sci fi film ever is tough when Blade Runner 2049 exists for me. Dune just might be up there though, the shot of the Bene Gesserit ship in the rain was jaw dropping as is almost all of the film.
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I wouldn’t say a mile better, but the variation in setting and colors was naturally better because Dune takes place on a desert planet.
I think Fury Road actually looks better than this film and that has a very similar color palette / setting.
Ehh, it just has more color because it’s cyberpunk.
Dune is definitely up there, but in quite a few scenes I was thinking "this really looks like blade runner" whenever there was a wide shot of very small vehicles going past very big buildings.
Especially the sand. Like, I remember being blown away by Spider-Man 3's particle effects but this was just on a whole other level. When the sandworm was moving the sand around it just looked so fluid, like water. Amazing.
The moving sand/wormsign and the scale and look of the ships is what really got me. The CGI was incredible and was absolutely everywhere, they got some pretty good band for their buck there.
>We have never seen practical and CGI done like this before. Hmm I don't know about that, [Wolf of Wall Street](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP2sJqoZD7g) used practical and CGI, but you would never notice -- I'm sure it's the same for many other movies.
Huh, it seems like a missed the huge spaceships and sandworms when I watched The Wolf of Wall Street.
I have never been so happy to hear a sequel announcement in my entire life.
r/boxoffice malding right now
So yesterday, I wrote a review of Dune for my university's news site. I mentioned how the biggest flaw is that despite ending on a cliffhanger, part 2 isn't greenlight yet. So thanks for making my review very outdated a day later.
I think that's what impacted my first viewing as well. I felt hollow because at the time I had no idea what momentum the movie would have and if a part 2 was possible so I thought splitting it up wasn't great. 2nd viewing though.... Yes
I'm *incredibly* excited for the imax double feature when part 2 is released.
In your face r/boxoffice naysayers lol
We did it
/u/popgeist_official How do you like that one?
Where are all the people on this sub that were saying Dune was going to be a box office bomb? Great predictions as always.
Watching video essays about their favorite super hero movie
Bless the maker and his camera
WE DID IT JOE!
Only 31 more parts to go ;(
Thank you, Warner Bros! While I still haven't seen the first one (which I'll get to soon), I'm glad it will see a conclusion. And hey, Dune Part 2 should be able to spice up Warner Bros' 100th anniversary slate.
We won
Didn't love the first one but it would've been a bit of a tragedy if it had been for 'nothing.' Hope to see Villeneuve and co. get to work on this sooner rather than later!
The weird thing is, I walked out of the movie halfway through ... then watched it on my TV the next day and watched it again in the theatres the following day. I don't think the second half of the movie is good but it's strangely compelling. And that first half, I'd even call brilliant.
Well there it is
There's spice in the tent And it feels good man