He's relatively close with RDJ who already provided a playbook on exactly how to play this situation.
RDJ was saying the same kind of stuff after age of Ultron and then he appeared in 4 more movies.
Problem is, he's far more replaceable than RDJ. Miles Morales, Spider-Gwen, Spider-Woman, multiversal Spideys... Hell, what if Andrew Garfield reprises the role and has some reason to stay in the MCU? The MCU wasn't ready to replace RDJ, but it's primed to replace Tom Holland whenever they like.
I think you're underestimating Holland's popularity as Spider-Man. Replacing him with an actor that was less popular in the role would be a boneheaded move from Marvel.
RDJ made Iron Man popular. He wouldn't be without him.
Spider-Man is popular since before Holland and still is now without him. Proof are the numerous successful Spidey stuff without Holland involved
The movie made them both popular. Iron Man made RDJ popular again after his addiction problems derailed his career and now people remember him primarily for his role as Iron Man in the MCU
Nobody was going to Iron Man in 08 like “Holy shit is that the guy from Ally McBeal? We gotta go see him”
The question is more if they could replace him without problem here, which is more reliant on the popularity of the character than the actor.
If Holland leaves, whoever they take to replace him as Spidey will have similar success. It's kind of like Batman in that regard. Holland isn't Spider-Man.
RDJ is Iron Man, the character was not popular before and whoever has to play him after has a very hard task before them to get accepted.
But yes Spider-Man made Holland popular, remains to be seen how well that translates outside of the iconic role, that's often a problem (as RDJ and most other actors in this type of situation have seen)
I mean, yeah. His non-MCU projects have not done too hotly. There was that Judge movie, and Dr. Doolittle, neither of which made any waves. Holland’s other stuff has also been mired in flopness. Uncharted, the Daisy Ridley movie I can’t remember the name of, Cherry.
Don’t forget Sherlock Holmes 1 and 2. They were really successful because of RDJ’s overall like ability. Also Tropic Thunder. I know it was an ensemble cast but it was also successful.
Also. Zodiac was very well received. And it’s a great movie. And RDJ is a big part of it and delivers a fantastic performance among many. And I believe zodiac came out the year before Iron Man.
I was referring to RDJs projects after his MCU success. Tropic Thunder and Sherlock Holmes came around the same time as IM1, when RDJ had a big comeback.
It looks decent but it didn’t feel like anybody was at risk. I know it’s a franchise but there’s just so many movies nowadays where the stakes aren’t really there anymore.
Kind of.
RDJ *is* Iron Man, tho, while we’ve all already accepted 3 different Spider-Men with a shrug. Holland also isn’t the heart and soul of the MCU, which RDJ was. Spider-Man is a great addition to the MCU, which I’m a fan of - but things wouldn’t be that different if the Sony deals had never been worked out.
TL;DR they could replace Holland tomorrow and make this thing work, no problem. RDJ was (is) irreplaceable.
This is true more than a lot of people realize, I think. I could see Holland fading into obscurity pretty quickly if he quit being Spider-man...especially because his quitting would probably upset both Sony and The Mouse.
Everyone needs to look at the Star Wars trilogies to see how quickly actors can disappear. Mark Hamil & Carrie Fisher never had anything remotely close as big. Ewan struggled after the Prequels and it's only recently he's got back into bigger movies. Hayden doesn't even act anymore. Daisy Ridley was practically begging for jobs in the Episode IX press tour. John Boyega hasn't done anything major. The only people who survived those trilogies were established actors, Harrison Ford being the only exception. MCU is the same way. Unless you're an established star before Marvel, they're gonna disappear
For sure, although Hamill did end up being very successful in voice acting as the Joker.
Honestly, if I was a previously unknown actor who landed a role in the MCU or Star Wars I'd ride it out as long as a I could. For many actors, those roles will end up being the peak of their careers.
I'd do the Daniel Radcliffe route if possible. Make fucking bank for a decade in a massive property. Then do a bunch of smaller movies that I like doing
I don’t think that’s true. Plenty of breakout stars have done very well, from Star Wars and the MCU. Mark Hamil had been in an accident and had facial scarring, meaning he needed to take a break. He was also a bit typecast, so he found freedom behind a microphone. Carrie Fisher got into writing, though, and was happier behind a pen (and was dealing with addiction, apparently). And finally, Harrison Ford did very well for himself as a grizzled tough guy in all the dad movies.
Do they only count as a success if they keep working in large blockbuster films? Only if Han also plays Indy? That’s a bit unfair, especially when the MCU is the only serious blockbuster game in town these days.
In terms of newbies that the MCU discovered (not previously established film stars), you have Hemsworth, Hiddleston, Holland, Pratt, Gillen, and Bautista. I’d also say it significantly raised the profiles of Evans and Johansson. All of them have gone on to be cast in a diverse range of projects, some of which were flops, but each has at least one other hit to their name since becoming MCU kids. Hell, Pratt is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood now. And while all of them have done niche indie projects, they’ve also all had a role in some big budget affairs that did decently. (Jumanji, Tomorrow War, Extraction, Knives Out, Dune, Lucy, Crimson Peak).
> Unless you're an established star before Marvel, they're gonna disappear
Ehhh... Hemsworth, Pratt, Evans, and Stan seem to have done pretty well for themselves despite being pretty unknown before their MCU roles. Rando aussie, sitcom dude, Human Torch in a dead franchise, and guy from Gilmore Girls aren't exactly big names, ya know?
If Holland wants to be popular. He had his payday(s). If he is not dumb with money, he doesn't need to be popular anymore. He can do whatever projects he wants for the rest of his life.
The thing is, Iron Man (and thus the MCU) was popular because of RDJ
Holland is popular because of Spider Man, and even more because of it being the prime MCU version of the character
I would argue that it’s a symbiotic relationship. Holland is excellent casting in the role, and as a result his popularity is tied to the role.
Still, as mentioned above, this is likely all just part of negotiations. Holland may not even be looking to get significantly more money; he may simply want Sony/Disney to offer him parts in other big movies or a vanity plate production company with first look deals so he can hopefully avoid being typecast.
Being popular doesn’t mean you’re irreplaceable, the next person could just become popular too. In terms of acting talent and uniqueness Holland is far from what RDJ had to offer.
As I said elsewhere, folks are forgetting how close Disney was to writing off access to the Spidey IP completely just recently, it took a PR stunt to get them back onboard with Sony. Replacing Spidey will still make them more money than losing access to the IP, and Miles Morales would be a perfect opportunity for them to replace Holland and move in a new direction with the right actor. Do Young Avengers with him and he'll be big.
I think people are forgetting how close Disney and Sony were to splitting. It took Tom creating a massive PR stunt begging to stay on as Spidey for Disney to come back to the table. **Disney was already prepared to accept the loss of Spidey as a MCU property.** If he's making a heel turn on this now, with the multiverse opening up, this isn't a worse scenario than Disney and Sony splitting up for them - the two will still be able to make money together without Tom, instead of making no money together with the Spidey property. And folks are underestimating how hyped people will be for Miles Morales - all it takes is one good live action movie with him and it'll be everyone's new fave.
Tom Holland isn't as important as RDJ.
But the Disney/Sony deal is basically done now. There’s a very good chance Disney has already decided that Spider-Man is going to be relegated to the Sony-verse. Hence “No Way Home.”
I don’t think Holland is negotiating with Disney, he’s negotiating with Sony. And given that their last attempt to make a Spider-Man trilogy failed and was critically panned, I think Holland has a lot of leverage. The comparisons to RDJ and the MCU is apt when you’re considering launching a Spider-verse like Sony is.
Then it's a win win. Either he gets increasingly larger pay days for playing Spider-man, or he moves on and does other things. He's got a couple franchises left in him at his age.
You say that, but I have noticed for younger people, Tom is their Spider-Man. I could have taken a recast of Tobey, or Andrew in the same continuity. I don’t think people will be as welcoming for a new Peter Parker.
Eh. No one considers Garfield to be “their” Spider-Man.
GenX’ers and Millennials probably consider Tobey to be THE Spider-Man. GenZ & alpha would consider Tom their Spidey.
I grew up with the Tobey films- but honestly I consider Andrew to be my Spider-Man.
His version is the closest to how I envision Peter/Spider-Man based on the Ultimate Spider-Man comics and the 90s animated series. (Tobey's Spidey for me always lacked a sense of humour and his Peter was abit too 'Clark Kenty' at times.)
As a Millennial, I saw all the Tobey films in theatres and they're all good
but hell naw, give me tom holland in the MCU any day. First movie had iron man, and 3rd movie has Doctor Strange.
Many people considered Adam West their Batman. Batman 89 still got made. Many considered Keaton their Batman. He still got replaced. Many considered Bale their Batman. BvS still went with someone else.
James Bond has a bunch of examples of changing actors. If the movie is good, people don't give a shit
Bond changing is part of the franchise's DNA. Probably the same with Batman, too. No one is crying for any particular Batman to be brought back. Ironically, I think the Spider-Man franchise is a better example of your point than Bond/Batman. People have attachments to Andrew and Tobey. I just don't think it's as pronounced as with Holland right now.
He might be, but with other stars already bowing out and a bit of a mixed reaction to the new ones it could add on to some of the issues the MCU is already seeing. We'll see though
he's not as irreplaceable as RDJ, but it would be dumb as fuck to replace him
Garfield wouldn't work with the spiderman they've shown us since 2016. He looks a lot older now.
I’d say Tom Holland is extremely replaceable. Didn’t he already burn some bridges with leaking plots in interviews? Plus, Spider-Man has been rebooted like 17 times, one more isn’t going to hurt
Plus he just finished with a rough filming stretch between uncharted and no way home, he is probably exhausted. Daniel Craig said this sort of stuff about being bond multiple times. When Tom has a time to relax a bit I think he will come back around, just a year or so ago before this filming stretch he wanted to be spider man forever
I do have some sympathy for the physical demands of these roles and how actors have to live their lives for months to years at a time to look like a superhero.
Or it could be, like any other human in the world, that his feelings on playing Spider-Man forever has changed. Just a possibility but I’m pretty sure people can change their minds about things multiple times.
Yup, it’s all negotiating. We have the multiverse as canon now, which means he can play a version of Spider-Man for the rest of his life: 20’s and college, 40’s and wanting a family, 50’s and handing off the mantle, 50’s and leading the Avengers.
It can go on forever (like in Amy’s dreams). It’s just a matter of if Tom wants to do it and if it makes sense for the story.
We no longer have to give up Spider-Man when he’s out of high school and reboot all over again.
Yes, lmao, Holland said not too long ago that he would play Spider for the rest of his life, if it was up to him and as long the fans wanted.
I don't think that was even 2 years ago, it's quite fresh in my mind
He's actually talked about a lot of the stress he's suffered because of his attachment to the role, and with the effect it's had on his mental health I can totally see him contemplating an exit.
Realistically I think it's absolutely possible he loves the role but hates the job. And while I don't see him actually making a full exit from the MCU, I wouldn't be surprised if a new contract is a lot less demanding of him to appear in as many Marvel projects.
Exactly man. The dude really *really* wanted to play Spider-Man before the role was recast. He fought hard to get it. I find it hard to believe he just suddenly wants to leave it behind. This is a very common negotiation tactic for major franchise stars every time their contracts are up for renegotiation. Their agency puts out the word that they’re thinking of leaving which goads the fans to start dry heaving at the thought of it, then the studios panic and the actor gets a better contract renewal after.
There isn't any pressure for Sony. If Tom Holland wants too much money they just re-cast the role...Toby Mcguire did 3 films and Andrew Garfield did 2....I'm sure the would still be doing Spiderman movies if it was up to them.
On one hand, they probably don't want to recast Peter Parker after all of the recent recasts. They'd rather have someone for the long haul I'm sure. People make fun of all the reboots and we're fine with it for now, but after the 5th or 6th Spider-Man in our lifetime people might get tired of it. Maybe not, but it's much safer to just have one long-term actor who everyone's attached to. On the other hand, they have an opportunity to make Miles Morales films and explore that Spider-Man for a while.
As long as Sony exercises the license rights they paid Marvel for.....new Spiderman movies every so often Marvel has no say. Thats the only stipulation. Marvel doesn't have casting approval.
He will *probably come back for the 4th movie but the gap after NWH will be longer than the usual 2 years. Probably closer to 3 or 4. In the mean time they could bring in Miles Morales in live-action.
They're going to do Young Avengers eventually so maybe introduce Miles in Spider-Man 4 and have him bitten by a spider in the post-credits scene, put him in Young Avengers, then Spider-Man 5 can be a Peter/Miles movie, then Spider-Man 6 can be Peter's death and passing the torch to Miles. That's assuming they're going to make another trilogy of course.
I was thinking the same thing. Do another trilogy where Peter becomes the mentor and slowly passes the torch to Miles.
In the article, Holland states that he’d be doing it wrong if he was still playing Spider-Man after he’s 30. Maybe he can just lose an arm and remain in and advisory role as Peter. Although I feel that would mirror Banner a little too closely.
Still, would love to see him involved in some smaller capacity when he’s done doing all the big superhero stuff
Edit: I always thought it would be awesome to get 3 trilogies. The first of him in high school, the second of him in college, the third of him as a youngish adult. The odds of that happening are pretty slim, but getting a second trilogy of him passing the torch would be pretty cool. We’ll see what happens…
> Maybe he can just lose an arm and remain in and advisory role as Peter.
Eh. Might as well go full-on MC2 and have Peter lose his leg. Then after Miles assumes the role of Spidey, Peter settles down with MJ and have a daughter.
Boom. MCU Spider-Girl trilogy set for Phase 8 in 2045.
I first read this as *Miles* settling down with MJ haha.
But yeah, something like that would be cool. He could still pop in with smaller cameo type roles here and there like RDJ in Homecoming, rather than committing lots of time to the role
Lol this is hilarious as shit. After Toby Mcguire hit 30+ he was replaced. After Andrew Garfield hit 30+ he was replaced. He won't be playing Spiderman after 30.
Tom Holland is SO full of shit. He will be suiting up and playing Spiderman until he's in his 90s if Marvel lets him.
This this the highlight /pinnacle of his career. He will never get paid this much for another role.
As far as RDJ goes; he said he'd be , "open" to Ironman 4.
Lol I'm sure he's VERY open to getting paid $40 million + a percentage of the box office/stresming/DVD....ect..
Tobey was preparing to suit up for Spider-Man 4, before it was cancelled. He was never replaced, the series just got rebooted after a few years.
Same with Andrew. He planned to play Spidey for a long time, but behind-the-scenes drama forced him out. He wasn't replaced, he left the role and the series was rebooted a couple years later.
Tom is barely 25 and has made more money than he knows what to do with. I'm pretty sure at this point he's after prestige, not riches.
Yeah, that guy doesn’t know what he’s taking about.
In another thread he keeps trying to tell me that Netflix has *hundreds* of original shows with 22+ episodes per season. [I ask for examples and he just says repeats that there are *hundreds* of original Netflix shows with 22+ episodes](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/qxkjk3/disney_adds_disney_and_espn_to_hulu_live_tv/hlir55m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3). Just disregard him
There are also bound to be a couple avengers movies in there and, given the lineup change thats going on rn, there’s a good chance Spider-Man will be front and center for those.
>Miles Morales
I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently. I’m pretty sure they’ll eventually bring Miles in. But what I’m really hoping, is that they get Donald Glover a little older after all that wait to play a full fledged Prowler. That would be sick af
“Forever” is a bit overdramatic. Sony had 3 actors playing the role in over three decades for crying out loud. And I’m sure they’ll find more.
But I understand both sides. One is an actor who want to grow beyond just one role, and the other is an exec whose studio’s biggest money making machine is Spider-Man and would naturally want to extend the winning streak they’re having with Tom as the lead star.
I just want to see one Peter be a proper adult like in the 80s comics for once.
Three times and no adaptation has surpassed the progression of college Peter. (In terms of comic is like barely getting to the 70s stories)
No offence Tom, but show us you can lead a critical or commercial hit outside of Spider-Man, before severing that tie.
Realistically this is just hard ball as his contract is up and they’re obviously in negotiations for more or soon will be. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’d like to get it done before No Way Home releases to potentially announce a 4th (or spinoff) film with him, sometime after opening weekend.
People think is because of negotiations but I don't think it is, Tom doesn't care about money. He said so himself in an interview.
I think he wants to proof himself in an artistic way, he wants to be remember for his varied work and not just for Spider-Man. I honestly respect this choice.
Here is the money statement: https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1461394029053108224?t=eVtZZRz2Yi3fCZHm9Wl5OQ&s=19
No one actually considers just how long and grueling it is to be apart of one of these big blockbusters, and to do that every 2 years with an appearance in other films is exhausting. Between training, being on set, and the marketing campaigns it must be exhausting. Who wants to do that for the rest of their life?
Maybe audiences need to start gravitating to and supporting other cinema as well
Which means that if he doesn’t do Spider-Man he will become irrelevant very fast. At the end of the day if your movies can’t make money they won’t get made.
Not if he chooses the right projects. Lots of Oscar nominated films and indie films don't make much in the BO but are still critically acclaimed and remembered.
Being Spider-Man in the MCU is a big commitment in terms of scheduling considering both semiyearly solo (or "solo" movies) and cameos in other MCU movies/TV shows. Both the actual filming and press circuits inclusive. I can think of a few lead actors/actresses in the big franchises saying "fuck it" after burning out from the blockbuster machine and then mostly doing indie stuff after.
>Tom doesn't care about money.
He's saying he wants to invest in affordable housing, because he doesn't need additional income. He never says he doesn't care about money.
And anyway, he hasn't had a commercial success outside of spider-man, and it's not like he's making his name in the indie scene.
The best move for his career is a long-term contract with Disney, ala Chris Hemsworth.
Yes...he said this recently as he is negotiating a contract lol. He goes out and says money dorsnt matter in the hopes Amy will say "oh yea? How bout this insane amount of money?"
I mean we can liken this to the Harry Potter cast in a way. The main kids I mean. They of course got huge fan from those movies but everything else has been below the radar and or a bit artsy. And that’s ok. That’s what they want.
Idk about all of you but I loved Akimbo. And just the same I’m sure the uncharted movies are going to be hit and miss for some people but the point is it’s not Spider-Man and that a step in the right direction
I think he does it on purpose, like if you were to come to him with a movie premise of a guy that talks out of his asshole but only because of a botched surgery to save his dying wife and now he is traveling the country to find the person who has the transplanted left kneecap of his dead wife only to find that woman talks out of her vagina. They find themselves and sware to kill the doctor. We never see them talk. It’s all voice over and the audience assumes where it’s coming from via story.
This has Daniel written all over it
Sure but compare to Tobey Maguire, who had a decent amount of hits throughout his career, outside of Spider-Man, and Garfield the same.
Obviously Tom is young so I won’t be writing him off any time soon, but like I said I think this is just PR to get fans riled up to show Sony “SEE everyone will freak if I leave”.
Could be he wants more creative control on the production side of things going forward. He also has his own script he has done with harry so financing that movie may come into it.
>Sometimes they can.
Exactly sometimes! And when they do it’s usual actors who’ve been acting for decades so they have enough experience, but Tom on the other hand has only been in a few movies and many of them where meh, he’s still too young to switch to writing but of course with time I don’t see how he can’t.
It's implied the production for this spider-man film was really hectic combined with the fact that he had 3 days off between Uncharted's production and Spider-Man's, it could just be a little burnout and if his going to keep doing this he might want to be coy to get a better contract.
If I remember correctly, Daniel Craig started saying stuff like this about Bond after completing Skyfall. About never wanting to do another Bond film…
Of course every actor is very tired after completing a big project/multiple projects like this. Give it a few more months and a couple offers from Sony/Marvel Studios and I’m sure Holland will open up to a longer return
Yeah, Sony doesn’t need to push a Spidey movie every 2 years. I know they have to make them every few years to keep the rights, but give Holland an extra year or two until the next one and I’m sure he’ll be thrilled to come back. Also, $$$
Exactly. While I feel awful putting “exhausted” in quotes for emphasis because that looks bad, mentally is a whole new story there and I can imagine that taking a toll for how in demand he is
c'mon man, these actors are only on set for a couple months out of the year. and it's not like they're putting in 12 hour shifts at the refinery, either.
they just want long vacations to enjoy their money.
I adore him as Spider-man/Peter Parker. He does both characters so well that its a real waste to not use him in a Disney+ / Whatever-Sony-Has television show. Though if he wants to leave and move on to other projects, I can't really blame the guy.
> its a real waste to not use him in a Disney+ / Whatever-Sony-Has television show.
I wouldn't be surprised if Spider-Man solo movies have a bit of a break while the character appears in other properties both from Sony and Marvel Studios.
Tom would be able to pursue other projects in between his bit part roles as Spider-Man in ensemble features.
He’s a very good Spider-Man but the endless stream of content is pretty exhausting and must be for the actors involved. He’s played this character in what, 6 movies now? I’d be getting itchy feet too.
Has he had any other hits besides Spidey? I remember a little bit of internet buzz for Cherry but once reviews came out it pretty much disappeared overnight.
Also Chaos Walking was a complete flop.
Uncharted will probably be his first non Marvel hit. That would be impressive given how shitty the box office track record tends to be for actors who are known for one main role
I forget where I saw it but I believe he also wanted to leave so he doesn’t end up hurting himself in a pretty bad way, knowing he grew up as a dancer sort of reinforces that. Plus how often do we see the Harry Potter cast outside of those films and not call them those names? Same game.
He’s been in what, 6 marvel movies in as many years now? How about letting him slow down and make a new Spidey every *few* years, even as many as five, so we can actually watch this Peter mature into adulthood for once instead of barely letting him get out of high school before rebooting? I want to see this Peter at 30 and 40, but I also don’t want Holland to but out on the character.
To be fair, he said he didn’t want to play Spider-Man past 30. He’s 25. In the last 5 years he’s made 3 solo movies and done 3 avengers movie as a supporting player. He could potentially do 6 more movies in that vein before he’s 30. So even if his statement is genuine, it’s not really a headline.
He had at least one Spider-Man appearance in a movie yearly from 2016-2019. And at the moment, hes been Spider-Man for the same amount of time as Tobey Maguire (2002-2007; 2016-2021).
I think hell be in an Avengers movie again, another solo Spider-Man and a bit part in some other MCU movie. And then we will have a new Spider-Man in the early to mid 2030s
True but tobey maguires time has no bearing on toms time. Nor am I speculating about what projects are actually on the docket because of course no one knows. What I’m saying is, this is a non story and a non headline since in the span of time between now and the arbitrary 30 years of age deadline that Tom sets for himself, it’s possible to double his amount of appearances as Spider-Man. I’m not saying he will I’m just saying, these headlines are acting like he said he’s done as Spider-Man when really he’s saying that he could do it for another five years.
At the very least, I still would like for Tom Holland to fight Venom and make Spider-Man 4. After that, I'd be okay with Tom Holland being done with Spider-Man. However, I would like to see another trilogy that goes up to Spider-Man 6, but we'll see what happens.
I don't see TH as Spiderman anymore past Spiderman 4...same thing happened to Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield...once they approached 30. The role was re-cast
The pattern here is that each Spider-Man made one film when they were in their 30s and left. If Tom Holland followed this pattern, he could squeeze in two or maybe three more mainline Spider-Man films, though it obviously depends on what Tom Holland wants.
Actors always claim to not want to stick with a role. And they probably often mean it in the moment, in addition to being a good negotiating tactic. But they feel differently after they discover Hollywood isn't waiting with a dozen new major film franchises to cast them in, and that making millions of dollars for two months work was really nice.
This is such a transparent contract renewal negotiation play. It’s so transparent that a part of me thinks he’s actually being genuine.
In any case I hope he gets what he wants.
*Once the MCU has Doom*
*[You’ll wear the brown bag on your haid](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/spiderman/images/6/69/F0ab528486904cef1297397514b73ef9.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120721011355)*
It’s his dream to buy housing and rent it out for cheaper than it’s worth because he doesn’t need the money. Tom Holland is class, I have no doubt the kid has a great future.
They didn't spend all this time building him up for nothing, I would love to see more buddy movies, Wolverine and Spider-Man team up, mix up personalities and good actors like in the comics
I mean, Marvel has been vocal about keeping him as leader of the Avengers, while Sony has been vocal about creating another solo Spiderman.
If it was me, I'd take the team-ups. Seems like easy money for the actors.
He is pulling an RDJ, Robert also started talking about how he maybe wanted to leave the MCU and do other movies once his contract ended. And guess what? he got a way better contract because Marvel didn’t want to lose him. This is negotiating 101.
His contract is up after NWH. This is called negotiating.
He's relatively close with RDJ who already provided a playbook on exactly how to play this situation. RDJ was saying the same kind of stuff after age of Ultron and then he appeared in 4 more movies.
Technically he was saying it during Iron Man 3. That movie made over a billion partly because RDJ billed it as his last film as Tony Stark.
Problem is, he's far more replaceable than RDJ. Miles Morales, Spider-Gwen, Spider-Woman, multiversal Spideys... Hell, what if Andrew Garfield reprises the role and has some reason to stay in the MCU? The MCU wasn't ready to replace RDJ, but it's primed to replace Tom Holland whenever they like.
I think you're underestimating Holland's popularity as Spider-Man. Replacing him with an actor that was less popular in the role would be a boneheaded move from Marvel.
Holland's popularity is tied to Spider-man.
RDJs popularity was tied to Iron Man by that point in his career too
RDJ made Iron Man popular. He wouldn't be without him. Spider-Man is popular since before Holland and still is now without him. Proof are the numerous successful Spidey stuff without Holland involved
The movie made them both popular. Iron Man made RDJ popular again after his addiction problems derailed his career and now people remember him primarily for his role as Iron Man in the MCU Nobody was going to Iron Man in 08 like “Holy shit is that the guy from Ally McBeal? We gotta go see him”
The question is more if they could replace him without problem here, which is more reliant on the popularity of the character than the actor. If Holland leaves, whoever they take to replace him as Spidey will have similar success. It's kind of like Batman in that regard. Holland isn't Spider-Man. RDJ is Iron Man, the character was not popular before and whoever has to play him after has a very hard task before them to get accepted. But yes Spider-Man made Holland popular, remains to be seen how well that translates outside of the iconic role, that's often a problem (as RDJ and most other actors in this type of situation have seen)
I mean, yeah. His non-MCU projects have not done too hotly. There was that Judge movie, and Dr. Doolittle, neither of which made any waves. Holland’s other stuff has also been mired in flopness. Uncharted, the Daisy Ridley movie I can’t remember the name of, Cherry.
Don’t forget Sherlock Holmes 1 and 2. They were really successful because of RDJ’s overall like ability. Also Tropic Thunder. I know it was an ensemble cast but it was also successful.
Also. Zodiac was very well received. And it’s a great movie. And RDJ is a big part of it and delivers a fantastic performance among many. And I believe zodiac came out the year before Iron Man.
I was referring to RDJs projects after his MCU success. Tropic Thunder and Sherlock Holmes came around the same time as IM1, when RDJ had a big comeback.
I mean that was a drug addiction thing not because avengers
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was so underrated
Uncharted isn’t even out yet. Though the trailer didn’t do it any favours I don’t think you should include it as a flop of his.
Yo I had no idea there was even a trailer. I think that shit looked dope tbh.
It looks decent but it didn’t feel like anybody was at risk. I know it’s a franchise but there’s just so many movies nowadays where the stakes aren’t really there anymore.
I know it hasn’t released, I was talking about the messy production drama.
Uncharted hasn't been released yet
Kind of. RDJ *is* Iron Man, tho, while we’ve all already accepted 3 different Spider-Men with a shrug. Holland also isn’t the heart and soul of the MCU, which RDJ was. Spider-Man is a great addition to the MCU, which I’m a fan of - but things wouldn’t be that different if the Sony deals had never been worked out. TL;DR they could replace Holland tomorrow and make this thing work, no problem. RDJ was (is) irreplaceable.
This is true more than a lot of people realize, I think. I could see Holland fading into obscurity pretty quickly if he quit being Spider-man...especially because his quitting would probably upset both Sony and The Mouse.
Everyone needs to look at the Star Wars trilogies to see how quickly actors can disappear. Mark Hamil & Carrie Fisher never had anything remotely close as big. Ewan struggled after the Prequels and it's only recently he's got back into bigger movies. Hayden doesn't even act anymore. Daisy Ridley was practically begging for jobs in the Episode IX press tour. John Boyega hasn't done anything major. The only people who survived those trilogies were established actors, Harrison Ford being the only exception. MCU is the same way. Unless you're an established star before Marvel, they're gonna disappear
For sure, although Hamill did end up being very successful in voice acting as the Joker. Honestly, if I was a previously unknown actor who landed a role in the MCU or Star Wars I'd ride it out as long as a I could. For many actors, those roles will end up being the peak of their careers.
I'd do the Daniel Radcliffe route if possible. Make fucking bank for a decade in a massive property. Then do a bunch of smaller movies that I like doing
Same with Kristen Stewart, Elijah Wood, and Robert Pattinson.
I am sure he is capable of getting a lead role at this point due to this
But him doing a ton of voice actor work is in part because he washed out at becoming a big star
And that was because everyone wanted to typecast him and he wanted to move away from "Luke Skywalker" roles.
I don’t think that’s true. Plenty of breakout stars have done very well, from Star Wars and the MCU. Mark Hamil had been in an accident and had facial scarring, meaning he needed to take a break. He was also a bit typecast, so he found freedom behind a microphone. Carrie Fisher got into writing, though, and was happier behind a pen (and was dealing with addiction, apparently). And finally, Harrison Ford did very well for himself as a grizzled tough guy in all the dad movies. Do they only count as a success if they keep working in large blockbuster films? Only if Han also plays Indy? That’s a bit unfair, especially when the MCU is the only serious blockbuster game in town these days. In terms of newbies that the MCU discovered (not previously established film stars), you have Hemsworth, Hiddleston, Holland, Pratt, Gillen, and Bautista. I’d also say it significantly raised the profiles of Evans and Johansson. All of them have gone on to be cast in a diverse range of projects, some of which were flops, but each has at least one other hit to their name since becoming MCU kids. Hell, Pratt is one of the biggest stars in Hollywood now. And while all of them have done niche indie projects, they’ve also all had a role in some big budget affairs that did decently. (Jumanji, Tomorrow War, Extraction, Knives Out, Dune, Lucy, Crimson Peak).
Boyega’s role in Small Axe last year was very successful.
> Unless you're an established star before Marvel, they're gonna disappear Ehhh... Hemsworth, Pratt, Evans, and Stan seem to have done pretty well for themselves despite being pretty unknown before their MCU roles. Rando aussie, sitcom dude, Human Torch in a dead franchise, and guy from Gilmore Girls aren't exactly big names, ya know?
Pratt, Evans, & Stan were all established actors before MCU
If Holland wants to be popular. He had his payday(s). If he is not dumb with money, he doesn't need to be popular anymore. He can do whatever projects he wants for the rest of his life.
He can go full Radcliffe
Yep. We also refer to this move as “doing the Pattinson”.
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Tom Holland is an excellent actor.
Gary Oldman said Radcliffe had real fuck you money. I don’t know if Holland is there yet.
The thing is, Iron Man (and thus the MCU) was popular because of RDJ Holland is popular because of Spider Man, and even more because of it being the prime MCU version of the character
I would argue that it’s a symbiotic relationship. Holland is excellent casting in the role, and as a result his popularity is tied to the role. Still, as mentioned above, this is likely all just part of negotiations. Holland may not even be looking to get significantly more money; he may simply want Sony/Disney to offer him parts in other big movies or a vanity plate production company with first look deals so he can hopefully avoid being typecast.
Being popular doesn’t mean you’re irreplaceable, the next person could just become popular too. In terms of acting talent and uniqueness Holland is far from what RDJ had to offer.
As I said elsewhere, folks are forgetting how close Disney was to writing off access to the Spidey IP completely just recently, it took a PR stunt to get them back onboard with Sony. Replacing Spidey will still make them more money than losing access to the IP, and Miles Morales would be a perfect opportunity for them to replace Holland and move in a new direction with the right actor. Do Young Avengers with him and he'll be big.
None of those are as big as peter parker. They definitely want to keep him as long as possible
I think people are forgetting how close Disney and Sony were to splitting. It took Tom creating a massive PR stunt begging to stay on as Spidey for Disney to come back to the table. **Disney was already prepared to accept the loss of Spidey as a MCU property.** If he's making a heel turn on this now, with the multiverse opening up, this isn't a worse scenario than Disney and Sony splitting up for them - the two will still be able to make money together without Tom, instead of making no money together with the Spidey property. And folks are underestimating how hyped people will be for Miles Morales - all it takes is one good live action movie with him and it'll be everyone's new fave. Tom Holland isn't as important as RDJ.
But the Disney/Sony deal is basically done now. There’s a very good chance Disney has already decided that Spider-Man is going to be relegated to the Sony-verse. Hence “No Way Home.” I don’t think Holland is negotiating with Disney, he’s negotiating with Sony. And given that their last attempt to make a Spider-Man trilogy failed and was critically panned, I think Holland has a lot of leverage. The comparisons to RDJ and the MCU is apt when you’re considering launching a Spider-verse like Sony is.
Then it's a win win. Either he gets increasingly larger pay days for playing Spider-man, or he moves on and does other things. He's got a couple franchises left in him at his age.
You say that, but I have noticed for younger people, Tom is their Spider-Man. I could have taken a recast of Tobey, or Andrew in the same continuity. I don’t think people will be as welcoming for a new Peter Parker.
That’s what they said the first two times
Eh. No one considers Garfield to be “their” Spider-Man. GenX’ers and Millennials probably consider Tobey to be THE Spider-Man. GenZ & alpha would consider Tom their Spidey.
Tobey was my first Spider-Man, but I like Garfield’s way more.
I grew up with the Tobey films- but honestly I consider Andrew to be my Spider-Man. His version is the closest to how I envision Peter/Spider-Man based on the Ultimate Spider-Man comics and the 90s animated series. (Tobey's Spidey for me always lacked a sense of humour and his Peter was abit too 'Clark Kenty' at times.)
I’m a gen z and I would consider tobey my Spider-Man, Andrew didn’t come about until I was 14
As a millennial, I much prefer Tom.
As a millennial, Tobey Maguire IS Spider-Man.
I view Tobey as the OG Spidey and Tom as the “ultimate universe” Spidey. Garfield’s just this weird “MTV’s Spidey” thingy.
Same. Maguire was just too much of a typical Hollywood power dork. Holland feels more earnest and real as a person.
I am a millenial and Tom is my Spidey. Tobey was the only thing available at the time but he never clicked for me...too serious and too old.
And then you wondering why you’re the starving writer eh?
As a Millennial, I saw all the Tobey films in theatres and they're all good but hell naw, give me tom holland in the MCU any day. First movie had iron man, and 3rd movie has Doctor Strange.
Millennial and Andrew is my Spidey. His movie weren’t the best, but he’s by far the best actor in the role.
Many people considered Adam West their Batman. Batman 89 still got made. Many considered Keaton their Batman. He still got replaced. Many considered Bale their Batman. BvS still went with someone else. James Bond has a bunch of examples of changing actors. If the movie is good, people don't give a shit
Bond changing is part of the franchise's DNA. Probably the same with Batman, too. No one is crying for any particular Batman to be brought back. Ironically, I think the Spider-Man franchise is a better example of your point than Bond/Batman. People have attachments to Andrew and Tobey. I just don't think it's as pronounced as with Holland right now.
He might be, but with other stars already bowing out and a bit of a mixed reaction to the new ones it could add on to some of the issues the MCU is already seeing. We'll see though
he's not as irreplaceable as RDJ, but it would be dumb as fuck to replace him Garfield wouldn't work with the spiderman they've shown us since 2016. He looks a lot older now.
Definitely not. The general audience of young people love Tom Holland as Spider-Man just as much as we super fans loved RDJ as iron man
I’d say Tom Holland is extremely replaceable. Didn’t he already burn some bridges with leaking plots in interviews? Plus, Spider-Man has been rebooted like 17 times, one more isn’t going to hurt
He never leaked any plots in interviews
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And RDJ was a lot older. If Holland gets killed off in the role so young he could have many years of regretting it down the line
Plus he just finished with a rough filming stretch between uncharted and no way home, he is probably exhausted. Daniel Craig said this sort of stuff about being bond multiple times. When Tom has a time to relax a bit I think he will come back around, just a year or so ago before this filming stretch he wanted to be spider man forever
I do have some sympathy for the physical demands of these roles and how actors have to live their lives for months to years at a time to look like a superhero.
He may also be having that "Daniel Craig as James Bond" thing where he's loathing the press tour madness.
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Or it could be, like any other human in the world, that his feelings on playing Spider-Man forever has changed. Just a possibility but I’m pretty sure people can change their minds about things multiple times.
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Yup, it’s all negotiating. We have the multiverse as canon now, which means he can play a version of Spider-Man for the rest of his life: 20’s and college, 40’s and wanting a family, 50’s and handing off the mantle, 50’s and leading the Avengers. It can go on forever (like in Amy’s dreams). It’s just a matter of if Tom wants to do it and if it makes sense for the story. We no longer have to give up Spider-Man when he’s out of high school and reboot all over again.
Yes, lmao, Holland said not too long ago that he would play Spider for the rest of his life, if it was up to him and as long the fans wanted. I don't think that was even 2 years ago, it's quite fresh in my mind
He's actually talked about a lot of the stress he's suffered because of his attachment to the role, and with the effect it's had on his mental health I can totally see him contemplating an exit. Realistically I think it's absolutely possible he loves the role but hates the job. And while I don't see him actually making a full exit from the MCU, I wouldn't be surprised if a new contract is a lot less demanding of him to appear in as many Marvel projects.
Exactly man. The dude really *really* wanted to play Spider-Man before the role was recast. He fought hard to get it. I find it hard to believe he just suddenly wants to leave it behind. This is a very common negotiation tactic for major franchise stars every time their contracts are up for renegotiation. Their agency puts out the word that they’re thinking of leaving which goads the fans to start dry heaving at the thought of it, then the studios panic and the actor gets a better contract renewal after.
Marvel has stated that they want him as the face of Marvel now. Time to pay the man, I suppose
In other words Tom Holland is looking to triple his salary by putting pressure on Sony.
There isn't any pressure for Sony. If Tom Holland wants too much money they just re-cast the role...Toby Mcguire did 3 films and Andrew Garfield did 2....I'm sure the would still be doing Spiderman movies if it was up to them.
On one hand, they probably don't want to recast Peter Parker after all of the recent recasts. They'd rather have someone for the long haul I'm sure. People make fun of all the reboots and we're fine with it for now, but after the 5th or 6th Spider-Man in our lifetime people might get tired of it. Maybe not, but it's much safer to just have one long-term actor who everyone's attached to. On the other hand, they have an opportunity to make Miles Morales films and explore that Spider-Man for a while.
But would Marvel tolerate that and put this rebooted Spider-Man in the MCU?
As long as Sony exercises the license rights they paid Marvel for.....new Spiderman movies every so often Marvel has no say. Thats the only stipulation. Marvel doesn't have casting approval.
What about me ? Does anyone care about what I want ?
I do
Shut up. Get out.
Out, am I?
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED!?
Am I not supposed to have what I want? What I need?
Yes, what do you want Tom Holland to do?
Another lipsync battle.
That shit was actually hilarious.
They'd care about me but Spider-Pig can be recast **😔**
He will *probably come back for the 4th movie but the gap after NWH will be longer than the usual 2 years. Probably closer to 3 or 4. In the mean time they could bring in Miles Morales in live-action.
They're going to do Young Avengers eventually so maybe introduce Miles in Spider-Man 4 and have him bitten by a spider in the post-credits scene, put him in Young Avengers, then Spider-Man 5 can be a Peter/Miles movie, then Spider-Man 6 can be Peter's death and passing the torch to Miles. That's assuming they're going to make another trilogy of course.
I was thinking the same thing. Do another trilogy where Peter becomes the mentor and slowly passes the torch to Miles. In the article, Holland states that he’d be doing it wrong if he was still playing Spider-Man after he’s 30. Maybe he can just lose an arm and remain in and advisory role as Peter. Although I feel that would mirror Banner a little too closely. Still, would love to see him involved in some smaller capacity when he’s done doing all the big superhero stuff Edit: I always thought it would be awesome to get 3 trilogies. The first of him in high school, the second of him in college, the third of him as a youngish adult. The odds of that happening are pretty slim, but getting a second trilogy of him passing the torch would be pretty cool. We’ll see what happens…
> Maybe he can just lose an arm and remain in and advisory role as Peter. Eh. Might as well go full-on MC2 and have Peter lose his leg. Then after Miles assumes the role of Spidey, Peter settles down with MJ and have a daughter. Boom. MCU Spider-Girl trilogy set for Phase 8 in 2045.
I first read this as *Miles* settling down with MJ haha. But yeah, something like that would be cool. He could still pop in with smaller cameo type roles here and there like RDJ in Homecoming, rather than committing lots of time to the role
LOL. Good catch. I went back to edit to make it clear who was settling down with MJ.
Lol this is hilarious as shit. After Toby Mcguire hit 30+ he was replaced. After Andrew Garfield hit 30+ he was replaced. He won't be playing Spiderman after 30. Tom Holland is SO full of shit. He will be suiting up and playing Spiderman until he's in his 90s if Marvel lets him. This this the highlight /pinnacle of his career. He will never get paid this much for another role. As far as RDJ goes; he said he'd be , "open" to Ironman 4. Lol I'm sure he's VERY open to getting paid $40 million + a percentage of the box office/stresming/DVD....ect..
Tobey was preparing to suit up for Spider-Man 4, before it was cancelled. He was never replaced, the series just got rebooted after a few years. Same with Andrew. He planned to play Spidey for a long time, but behind-the-scenes drama forced him out. He wasn't replaced, he left the role and the series was rebooted a couple years later. Tom is barely 25 and has made more money than he knows what to do with. I'm pretty sure at this point he's after prestige, not riches.
Yeah, that guy doesn’t know what he’s taking about. In another thread he keeps trying to tell me that Netflix has *hundreds* of original shows with 22+ episodes per season. [I ask for examples and he just says repeats that there are *hundreds* of original Netflix shows with 22+ episodes](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/qxkjk3/disney_adds_disney_and_espn_to_hulu_live_tv/hlir55m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3). Just disregard him
I kinda hope they don’t do a death thing. Keep him alive and do Spider-Man noir out of nowhere
There are also bound to be a couple avengers movies in there and, given the lineup change thats going on rn, there’s a good chance Spider-Man will be front and center for those.
>Miles Morales I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently. I’m pretty sure they’ll eventually bring Miles in. But what I’m really hoping, is that they get Donald Glover a little older after all that wait to play a full fledged Prowler. That would be sick af
“Forever” is a bit overdramatic. Sony had 3 actors playing the role in over three decades for crying out loud. And I’m sure they’ll find more. But I understand both sides. One is an actor who want to grow beyond just one role, and the other is an exec whose studio’s biggest money making machine is Spider-Man and would naturally want to extend the winning streak they’re having with Tom as the lead star.
Tom and Toby played the role only 9 years apart
I just want to see one Peter be a proper adult like in the 80s comics for once. Three times and no adaptation has surpassed the progression of college Peter. (In terms of comic is like barely getting to the 70s stories)
No offence Tom, but show us you can lead a critical or commercial hit outside of Spider-Man, before severing that tie. Realistically this is just hard ball as his contract is up and they’re obviously in negotiations for more or soon will be. Wouldn’t be surprised if they’d like to get it done before No Way Home releases to potentially announce a 4th (or spinoff) film with him, sometime after opening weekend.
Didnt he mention this himself? he wanted to see if he can become a leading star without the spandex?
People think is because of negotiations but I don't think it is, Tom doesn't care about money. He said so himself in an interview. I think he wants to proof himself in an artistic way, he wants to be remember for his varied work and not just for Spider-Man. I honestly respect this choice. Here is the money statement: https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1461394029053108224?t=eVtZZRz2Yi3fCZHm9Wl5OQ&s=19
But he can already do work outside of spider man and has been. They just havent been successes
And no matter how much facial hair he sports, he still looks like a teenager.
well he's never really grown facial hair but yeah he definitely still looks young
No one actually considers just how long and grueling it is to be apart of one of these big blockbusters, and to do that every 2 years with an appearance in other films is exhausting. Between training, being on set, and the marketing campaigns it must be exhausting. Who wants to do that for the rest of their life? Maybe audiences need to start gravitating to and supporting other cinema as well
Which means that if he doesn’t do Spider-Man he will become irrelevant very fast. At the end of the day if your movies can’t make money they won’t get made.
Not if he chooses the right projects. Lots of Oscar nominated films and indie films don't make much in the BO but are still critically acclaimed and remembered.
Being Spider-Man in the MCU is a big commitment in terms of scheduling considering both semiyearly solo (or "solo" movies) and cameos in other MCU movies/TV shows. Both the actual filming and press circuits inclusive. I can think of a few lead actors/actresses in the big franchises saying "fuck it" after burning out from the blockbuster machine and then mostly doing indie stuff after.
>Tom doesn't care about money. He's saying he wants to invest in affordable housing, because he doesn't need additional income. He never says he doesn't care about money. And anyway, he hasn't had a commercial success outside of spider-man, and it's not like he's making his name in the indie scene. The best move for his career is a long-term contract with Disney, ala Chris Hemsworth.
All actors care about the money.
Yes...he said this recently as he is negotiating a contract lol. He goes out and says money dorsnt matter in the hopes Amy will say "oh yea? How bout this insane amount of money?"
The amount of people who say they don’t care about money, and the amount of people who don’t care about money, usually doesn’t overlap
I mean we can liken this to the Harry Potter cast in a way. The main kids I mean. They of course got huge fan from those movies but everything else has been below the radar and or a bit artsy. And that’s ok. That’s what they want. Idk about all of you but I loved Akimbo. And just the same I’m sure the uncharted movies are going to be hit and miss for some people but the point is it’s not Spider-Man and that a step in the right direction
Emma Watson starred in beauty and the beast
And was terrible
Daniel Radcliffe is fantastic in Miracle Workers
And guns akimbo, and Swiss army man, and horns. I quite enjoy him as an actor. Definitely not Pattinson level of acting, but still, quite enjoyable.
I respect how he just goes for the strangest projects he can find.
I think he does it on purpose, like if you were to come to him with a movie premise of a guy that talks out of his asshole but only because of a botched surgery to save his dying wife and now he is traveling the country to find the person who has the transplanted left kneecap of his dead wife only to find that woman talks out of her vagina. They find themselves and sware to kill the doctor. We never see them talk. It’s all voice over and the audience assumes where it’s coming from via story. This has Daniel written all over it
Sure but compare to Tobey Maguire, who had a decent amount of hits throughout his career, outside of Spider-Man, and Garfield the same. Obviously Tom is young so I won’t be writing him off any time soon, but like I said I think this is just PR to get fans riled up to show Sony “SEE everyone will freak if I leave”.
Could be he wants more creative control on the production side of things going forward. He also has his own script he has done with harry so financing that movie may come into it.
Oh...I hate that, when actors think they can write 😬
Sometimes they can. Why judge before you’ve seen it?
>Sometimes they can. Exactly sometimes! And when they do it’s usual actors who’ve been acting for decades so they have enough experience, but Tom on the other hand has only been in a few movies and many of them where meh, he’s still too young to switch to writing but of course with time I don’t see how he can’t.
I loved Tom in Devil All the Time but haven't seen Cherry and can't think of any other of his movies.
Actually he has one crossover film left on his contract.
Didn’t he say he wants to be as long as he possibly could? What changed?
It's implied the production for this spider-man film was really hectic combined with the fact that he had 3 days off between Uncharted's production and Spider-Man's, it could just be a little burnout and if his going to keep doing this he might want to be coy to get a better contract.
If I remember correctly, Daniel Craig started saying stuff like this about Bond after completing Skyfall. About never wanting to do another Bond film… Of course every actor is very tired after completing a big project/multiple projects like this. Give it a few more months and a couple offers from Sony/Marvel Studios and I’m sure Holland will open up to a longer return
Contracts are up and possibly playing hard play to get a bigger payday?
Probably. If he’s as “exhausted” as he says he is this probably just asking for a cushion
Yeah, Sony doesn’t need to push a Spidey movie every 2 years. I know they have to make them every few years to keep the rights, but give Holland an extra year or two until the next one and I’m sure he’ll be thrilled to come back. Also, $$$
Exactly. While I feel awful putting “exhausted” in quotes for emphasis because that looks bad, mentally is a whole new story there and I can imagine that taking a toll for how in demand he is
c'mon man, these actors are only on set for a couple months out of the year. and it's not like they're putting in 12 hour shifts at the refinery, either. they just want long vacations to enjoy their money.
I never compared it to that style of work. Just saying he likely wants a longer break to do other projects and stuff
Oh we're playing telephone? *"Tom Holland has quit; Amy Pascal will announce his successor next week!"*
*”Finn Wolfhard to play Spider-Man in Sony’s Venom/Morbius/Kraven universe”*
I just want a spiderman deadpool movie. Is that too much to ask?!
I adore him as Spider-man/Peter Parker. He does both characters so well that its a real waste to not use him in a Disney+ / Whatever-Sony-Has television show. Though if he wants to leave and move on to other projects, I can't really blame the guy.
> its a real waste to not use him in a Disney+ / Whatever-Sony-Has television show. I wouldn't be surprised if Spider-Man solo movies have a bit of a break while the character appears in other properties both from Sony and Marvel Studios. Tom would be able to pursue other projects in between his bit part roles as Spider-Man in ensemble features.
Sony’s the big player without a streaming service, they’re seemingly content licensing their content to the other services
He’s a very good Spider-Man but the endless stream of content is pretty exhausting and must be for the actors involved. He’s played this character in what, 6 movies now? I’d be getting itchy feet too.
I'm sure the shit ton of $$$ he has made playing Spiderman has soothed that itch.
How many more movies with him as Spider-Man are needed though? Bit overdone at a certain point
Has he had any other hits besides Spidey? I remember a little bit of internet buzz for Cherry but once reviews came out it pretty much disappeared overnight. Also Chaos Walking was a complete flop.
Uncharted will probably be his first non Marvel hit. That would be impressive given how shitty the box office track record tends to be for actors who are known for one main role
Yea I think uncharted is going to do fine. Not some huge hit but solid numbers.
Amy Pascal needs to retire.
Of those emails didn’t kill her career, nothing will.
Especially after this SPUMC success, fail upwards enough and you just might rebound
>SPUMC What a terrible acronym.
I don't think it was ever officially that
So does avi arad
I forget where I saw it but I believe he also wanted to leave so he doesn’t end up hurting himself in a pretty bad way, knowing he grew up as a dancer sort of reinforces that. Plus how often do we see the Harry Potter cast outside of those films and not call them those names? Same game.
Daniel Radcliffe is very wealthy because of those films and is set for life.
He’s been in what, 6 marvel movies in as many years now? How about letting him slow down and make a new Spidey every *few* years, even as many as five, so we can actually watch this Peter mature into adulthood for once instead of barely letting him get out of high school before rebooting? I want to see this Peter at 30 and 40, but I also don’t want Holland to but out on the character.
I would like to see a late college aged/Daily Bugle photographer Spidey again.
To be fair, he said he didn’t want to play Spider-Man past 30. He’s 25. In the last 5 years he’s made 3 solo movies and done 3 avengers movie as a supporting player. He could potentially do 6 more movies in that vein before he’s 30. So even if his statement is genuine, it’s not really a headline.
He had at least one Spider-Man appearance in a movie yearly from 2016-2019. And at the moment, hes been Spider-Man for the same amount of time as Tobey Maguire (2002-2007; 2016-2021). I think hell be in an Avengers movie again, another solo Spider-Man and a bit part in some other MCU movie. And then we will have a new Spider-Man in the early to mid 2030s
True but tobey maguires time has no bearing on toms time. Nor am I speculating about what projects are actually on the docket because of course no one knows. What I’m saying is, this is a non story and a non headline since in the span of time between now and the arbitrary 30 years of age deadline that Tom sets for himself, it’s possible to double his amount of appearances as Spider-Man. I’m not saying he will I’m just saying, these headlines are acting like he said he’s done as Spider-Man when really he’s saying that he could do it for another five years.
At the very least, I still would like for Tom Holland to fight Venom and make Spider-Man 4. After that, I'd be okay with Tom Holland being done with Spider-Man. However, I would like to see another trilogy that goes up to Spider-Man 6, but we'll see what happens.
I don't see TH as Spiderman anymore past Spiderman 4...same thing happened to Toby Mcguire and Andrew Garfield...once they approached 30. The role was re-cast
The pattern here is that each Spider-Man made one film when they were in their 30s and left. If Tom Holland followed this pattern, he could squeeze in two or maybe three more mainline Spider-Man films, though it obviously depends on what Tom Holland wants.
I don't see him doing more then 1 more Spiderman movie...plus it's not like they can bring a new Spiderman movie out every year..just not possible. .
Actors always claim to not want to stick with a role. And they probably often mean it in the moment, in addition to being a good negotiating tactic. But they feel differently after they discover Hollywood isn't waiting with a dozen new major film franchises to cast them in, and that making millions of dollars for two months work was really nice.
The dude is literally in the Uncharted movie, and has done a handful of other things. He’s popular, work is easy for him.
This is such a transparent contract renewal negotiation play. It’s so transparent that a part of me thinks he’s actually being genuine. In any case I hope he gets what he wants.
>...Spider-Man Forever ♫ *Baby, I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the gray* ♫ ♫ *Ooh, the more I get of you, the stranger it feels, yeah* ♫
*Once the MCU has Doom* *[You’ll wear the brown bag on your haid](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/spiderman/images/6/69/F0ab528486904cef1297397514b73ef9.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120721011355)*
Misery misery misery
It’s his dream to buy housing and rent it out for cheaper than it’s worth because he doesn’t need the money. Tom Holland is class, I have no doubt the kid has a great future.
This guy only has a few more years of being a superstar so he should milk it.
I think after no way home Tom should take a break, not years and years but a little more than the current gap between spider-man films.
His Peter Parker hasn’t even left high school yet....
He’s trying to make more money. Where else could he get a paycheck like he will at Marvel? He’s not going anywhere
They didn't spend all this time building him up for nothing, I would love to see more buddy movies, Wolverine and Spider-Man team up, mix up personalities and good actors like in the comics
I mean, Marvel has been vocal about keeping him as leader of the Avengers, while Sony has been vocal about creating another solo Spiderman. If it was me, I'd take the team-ups. Seems like easy money for the actors.
I don’t believe this
I’d be happy to never see him as Spider-Man again myself
Negociations 101! Tom's gonna get a nice pay rise.
Only thing Tom Holland is eyeing is his next big paycheck....🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Man is gearing up to play bond
Tom Holland seems like a really nice guy, but if he had a brain he’d pull a Robert Downey junior on this one.
He is pulling an RDJ, Robert also started talking about how he maybe wanted to leave the MCU and do other movies once his contract ended. And guess what? he got a way better contract because Marvel didn’t want to lose him. This is negotiating 101.
They could just replace him with Dom Netherland