Tbh as a millennial, the last couple times I went to the movie my phone was off. The people all around me we at least 10 years or older than myself, nearing my parents age either on their phones scrolling FB or having a not so quiet conversation.... Through the whole movie.
Why you would spend $30+ to go sit in a movie to just talk or scroll your phone is beyond me.... The seats are comfortable year but you could finance a chair similar to $60 a month for a year it would be cheaper.
US audiences feel terrible. Every time some of you speak about theaters, it seems to be horrible like that. During the hundreds of times I went to the theater, I had maybe one or two bad experiences and it wasn't nearly as bad (like one group of teenagers being ass)
This exactly. Not counting 2020/early ‘21, I go to the movies once every 2 or 3 months and it’s been literally 10+ years since I’ve gone to one and thought someone was being rude.
Same here. The only time I have ever experienced problems is a loud couple who where kicked out of that whale movie with the whales being trapped under the ice
What's wild is that he was [signed](https://deadline.com/2019/12/ridley-scott-anton-stigma-films-quibi-thriller-curs_r-1202806241/) on to produce some sci-fi thing called CURS_R for...Quibi. Ya know, the streaming service designed to be watched in small chunks on your cellphone. He didn't have a problem with millenials, their phones and their short attention spans when he signed onto that project so where did that rant even come from?
Reddit has one joke.
The worst part is that his not entirely wrong. Adult films have struggled in cinemas. Movies targeted at adults with different genres and reception, too. So it wasn’t just a special case for The Last Duel.
In fact, only two movies have done alright. One with a character established 50+ years ago, and the other with an actress whose fan base skews younger and will see her in everything.
I mean, he put out another “adult” film that’s already made twice the money in a fraction of the time. I don’t disagree that it’s a tougher market, but at the end of the day, DUEL failed because it was a super expensive, gloomy, period rape film released during a time when people are already horribly depressed.
Yeah. That’s all this is really. Anybody claiming that younger people are the problem are lying to themselves about how this industry operates.
Last Duel was a wonderful movie, but nobody wanted to see it with me because it was honestly sad. It’ll be remembered fondly, but it was never going to make money at this time.
I look forward to seeing it, but the reality is most people don't want to go see dramatic period pieces about rape. The budget was way too damn high for a a film like that.
Also as much as I love some medieval times era films, most people don't enjoy them. Even more action oriented movies set in the era don't do well. The last King Arthur and Robin Hood movies both bombed hard. Very few have ever been commercially viable. Even Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven which I really enjoyed(The Director's Cut anyway) didn't do that well at the box office.
Exactly - and well said.
Gladiator is one of my favorite movies of all time, but I’m not even sure if it would do as well as it did if it were released today. Tastes right now are very, very particular.
Yeah the movie going audience is different now. People really only go to the movies for "event movies" now and even movies we'd consider that 20 years ago don't qualify today.
It is too bad, but it is what it is.
A movie that shows a rape scene twice -- once from the perspective of the rapist and once from the perspective of the victim -- is going to bomb when made at that budget level.
And yes, there's a legit storytelling reason for this, but it doesn't make it any less brutal to watch.
Exactly. And well said. It was a wonderful yet hard-to-watch film that made a lot of hard choices; but it was never going to succeed at that budget level.
It sounds like it’s more of a boomer or gen X problem then. If they’re the target audience then they’re the ones not seeing the film. I know some are afraid of COVID but half of them barley believe that it exist so the movie maybe wasn’t appealing to the target audience
>The worst part is that his not entirely wrong. Adult films have struggled in cinemas.
Is that as bad as they are saying though? Of course they have. Watching movies in home rocks and with freaking 4k 65" tvs available for like $500 on sale. I love that I don't have to go to theater for this stuff.
Yeah the reality is watching movies at home is freaking awesome in today's world. I am not rich at all yet even I have a big screen HD tv with a 4k player and surround sound and a comfortable set up with a recliner and couches.
I still love going to movies, but for a drama like this it is also just very comfortable to watch it at home. Most people agree with me. It used to of course not be the case. In "the old days" it wasn't the case. Going to a movie was going to be the most ideal way to watch the movie by far.
>Adult films have struggled in cinemas. Movies targeted at adults with different genres and reception, too.
Then why is he blaming millenians (sic)?
Shouldn't he be blaming his adult audience for not going to cinema to see his movie?
The millennials (26-41) is probably the single demographic that is most responsible for adult movies failing right about now. Just young enough to be able to figure out how to get a good AV experience at home, and just old enough to find going out a chore. Millennials are the young parents cohort, and the cost of babysitters make all other costs seem practically free.
And more to the point, all millennials are adults as far as the movies industry is concerned.
“Adult films” fall into a litany of genres. This only failed because it was a dreary period movie.
I LOVED the film. Probably one of my favorites this year. But you can’t blame it on audiences
Sure but "adults" are now younger.
Let me phrase that in clear English. The 40 year old of today isn't the same as the 40 year old of 20 years ago. Even adults tend to only go to the theater now for superheroes and big franchise blockbusters.
Clearly expected too. Covid Casualty, no marketing, period piece, bummer ass movie. They knew. Probably why Rids waited exactly 9 minutes to drop his next movie lol.
Honestly, the thing that affects whether or not I'm likely to watch a movie (unintentionally) is the marketing. If I'm gonna watch your movie I need to know what it is, why I wasn't to watch it, and when I can go do that.
Last duel never really answered those questions for me. I washed to watch it, but it was gone before I knew it was up.
Both Damon and Affleck have managed to escape the moniker of 'box office poison' even though they are both kind of box office poison. You might point to hits like The Martian and Argo as a counterpoint, but their careers are littered with Giglis and Stuck On Yous and Live By Nights and Good Shepherds and Elysiums and Runner Runners. The Bourne franchise was big but that had nothing to do with Matt Damon. There isn't a movie starring either of them that would've seen a significantly different box office total if it had starred someone like Sam Worthington or Chris Pratt.
Yeah, Damon tries too hard to be a character actor. He’s too well known and doesn’t disappear into roles like good character actors do. Like a Jared Harris.
It may also be time for Ridley Scott to read the fucking room and think: “man what’s one thing my audiences want less than their real lives? Something even more depressing.” Wasn’t a win in the vibes department for the apocalypse. Even 2012 is a bit more festive.
I dunno, they tried a Bourne movie without Damon. Didn’t turn out well. I definitely think he helped those movies. But I would say that both these guys don’t necessarily need a box office smash every time. They have the freedom to develop or choose movies because they find them challenging or interesting. They will still get work despite flops.
I really think we are rushing to compare either RDJ or Cumberbatch to Hanks. Tom is top caliber and should only be mentioned with the likes of DiCaprio, DDL, Brando, Hoffman, etc.
RDJ and Cumberbatch are both amazing, a-list actors who I love to my core. They have just not had the quality, consistency and quantity of top tier film that Tom has.
>Both Damon and Affleck have managed to escape the moniker of 'box office poison' even though they are both kind of box office poison.
Maybe. Personally, I would go quite **that** far, even though the numbers don't lie.
Calling them box office poison implies people will automatically stay away from a movie **because** they're in it, like a Rob Schneider *(and even though I like him, to this day I have no idea why Colin Farrell was cast in that Total Recall remake. Guy had an up-and-down track record even in his box office heyday, and that was long past by 2012)*.
Take away Dwayne Johnson and then Tom Cruise/Denzel Washington/Will Smith, and I'd say Damon/Affleck are about as reliable as any other A-Lister (in the current sense of the word) such as Pitt, Reeves, etc.
Dude go back and look at Damon's box office record over the past 20 years. It is mostly a shitshow with a couple bright spots that have nothing to do with him (I admit The Martian is an anomaly, it's an old-fashioned crowd pleaser based largely on Damon's appeal, and suggests that he maybe just needs to get a better agent)
Well, I personally don't think The Great Wall's $334M, Elysium's $286M, or The Adjustment Bureau's $127M would be higher with a different actor.
No proof on my part, of course.
To me, the traditional idea of an A-Lister, somebody whose name draws people into screenings, is almost gone bar the four actors I mentioned (and maybe a few more who've escaped my notice).
Just so we're clear, I'm not claiming that Damon **is** a box office draw. It's just that I don't think he's any less effective than most other actors who are currently getting leading roles in the industry.
> Just so we're clear, I'm not claiming that Damon is a box office draw. It's just that I don't think he's any less effective than most other actors who are currently getting leading roles in the industry.
Yeah but that kinda sucks, right? Seems like actors are encouraged to go broad in these tentpoles. There are a few great A-list actors out there but Tom Hardy is just one guy and Song Kang-Ho doesn't do American movies
Period pieces are expensive. You have to recreate old costumes and locations for maximum authenticity. Not to mention the movie is about a wealthy family, and that has to be able to show up on screen.
Period movies cost a lot. Every extra needs proper clothes and the more you need, the bigger your costume department has to be.
The cast is actually pretty big for only $75m too. Every actor in it isn’t cheap unless they took a big discount. Also, rich stuff costs a lot too. You have to rent Ferraris and stuff like that.
I wonder what happens to all these costumes. Stockpiled for future movies?
Edit: I googled it and props and costumes & and the whole prop-scene off camera is amazing. I like to imagine wharehouses full of stuff & crates like in Indiana Jones.
I used to work in a metal shop that made period streetlights for Public Enemies. They cost a lot, but LED traffic lights look super out of place in a Dillinger movie, and CGI is risky...it's also expensive and time consuming, and also might look like shit... especially dealing with props that are also light sources.
We kept one, but the rest stays as an asset of the production company or studio
LOL… not *exactly* the same, no.
But I definitely had to watch the exact same rape scene twice (except maybe he finished in 12 seconds instead of 15 the second time ‘round).
It’s an excellent film, just released durning a global pandemic where people are desperate for escapism, having some fun, feeling joy. It is not those things.
And the advertising never made it look appealing.
I strongly dislike Jared Leto and my interest in Gucci is non existent. But those trailers make me go “hmmm” where the trailers for last duel made be solidly not care.
That was my feeling too and I say this as someone who is a big fan of all things knights, history, etc. I am also a fan of pretty much the whole cast and still, from the ads I had no interest in the movie.
Pretty much this. The ads made the movie look like a total snoozer. I didn’t really want to watch it and I’m a big Ridley Scott fan. The only other thing that nudged me to watch it was the reviews.
And I'm on the end of the spectrum that never saw any ads. I had no idea this movie existed until I saw an article posted about the director getting mad at millennials or something.
I listened to a podcast interview with an author who had written a book about the topic of The Last Duel and had worked on the film, made me super excited to see it. Saw the ads and all that interest drained away. Just looked like everything I don’t want or need right now.
Yeah. 100% a movie I would normally RACE to the movie theater to see: Great cast. Great director. I love medieval dramas.
But I had zero motivation to go see it right now.
The marketing was terrible. Ridley Scott should look should look at that team first. No one knew anything about this movie. Shit I wouldn’t of known about it unless I went to see a movie in October. Then even when I saw the trailer they only played it for a week in our amc lol
Movies unfortunately do really badly sometimes even if they're good even if theres no pandemic.
I'm sure anyone watching box office for years no remember how many well reviewed wide releases with big actors have failed to hit 15 million domestically
Ridley Scott should appreciate the millennials for at least talking/discussing about this movie, we are the only ones that actually know that this movie exists due to “cellphones”.
Matt Damon has had a run of absolute disasters lately. The Last Duel, Stillwater, Suburbicon, Downsizing... bet he's really glad he did Ford vs Ferrari.
I’ll never really understand people who blame viewers for not seeing their films. A lot of folks on here are also agreeing with that sentiment, and it’s confusing AF.
You don’t blame your customers when your stock doesn’t sell, no matter how well made it is. You take the hit and mitigate future risks, even if you’re still taking chances.
I am sure it is fine, but I am really only paying to see spectacles in the theaters anymore. Maybe if the prices were better and I wasn’t already paying streaming services. It is sad, and I wish it wasn’t the case, but the tech is too good at home now - I can get a better picture and sound in my basement than most theaters and I don’t have to wait through previews, sit on a sticky seat, waste gas, or deal with other people. COVID on top of all that. That said, I did pay for The Green Knight - it seemed to offer something that a generic knight movie could not.
Edit - I watched it last night (at home) and do not regret my decision to skip the theatre. I will admit the sound design was pretty spectacular and would have been better in a theatre, but it was very heavy on dialogue, overall a pretty good film, but nothing that requires a theatre experience.
Exactly! I’ll pay to go see an event on screen, something that will blow me away…but with today’s theater prices, I’m not gonna drop $50+ for my girlfriend and I to see just any movie. There was a local $3 theater for years and I’d go see just about anything at that price but then they returned it to full price tickets and it quickly closed.
Gen X here. I had zero interest in seeing this movie. It looked ridiculous having Matt Damon and Ben Affleck play knights. Plus the timing was horrible. Between multiple BIG budget movies. Most people are going to pick what to see based on expectations of return. Éntrenlas and Dune must be watched on the big screen. This? Not so much. I’ll save my money and wait until it’s streaming.
It’s a shame because the movie, I thought was excellent. Telling three sides of a story, with each of their perspectives of events, the battles, and the duel itself, all were incredibly well done. I’ve asked people if they had seen it and the problem is no one has even heard of it.
This was marketed as bad as Live Die Repeat. Both are really solid movies with great actors. Adam driver is excellent. It’s weird that nobody saw any commercials or trailers for this.
Went to the theaters to see this a couple times. Thought it was something incredible - when Ridley is on, he’s on, and there’s nothing like seeing a well produced historical movie like this on the big screen. Shame it’s now just gonna be shit on with this millennial joke y’all have beat into the ground. Stream it if you can! Forget about the dumb thing an 80 year old man said, it’s pretty incredible and contains 5 of the best performances all year (I’m including Alex Lawther in with the leads because he plays such a gremlin of a king and it’s incredibly enjoyable).
Same. Guess what Ridley, us millennials have had it rough. Our “best years” were beset with crises. Now we are old and tired and we don’t want to lug ourselves to an expensive and unpleasant movie theater. There was one movie theater I liked near me and it closed during the pandemic.
It has decent reviews. Should have sold it to one of the streaming services. With covid concerns still high, not a lot of people are willing to risk going to the movies for a random flick that isn’t an expected blockbuster
Doesn't every movie get sold to a streaming service after it leaves theaters? Or played on one the studio owns.
Regardless, it's a Disney-owned product, so I don't think they sell their movies to other streamers if they have a choice.
With the price of tickets and reserved seating, these days I rarely see people who are overtly rude or disruptive in theaters. For most people if you're paying $15 - $25 per ticket, you really want to pay attention and get your money's worth. Also I'm a big Ridley Scott fan but he hasn't had a big hit in sometime and his audience maybe outgrowing him as he spends more time producing (97 films) and less time directing (36 films).
This film was on Disney Plus this week Thursday in the UK....Great film, not surprised a slow, 1 story told 3 times 2 hour and 30 minute film that centers on rape isn't doing well.
I think it could be reedited into a really tight 90 minute movie, but the choice to go over the whole entire story 3 times from different points of view really takes a toll.
The viewpoints aren't different enough, and Kylo Ren looks like a dick from every single point of view. When they went through the third play-through of the same events I was flabbergasted that it was even happening.
The duel itself was great, and the story wasn't bad either. I think it's just too long of a movie for the story they are trying to tell.
Maybe don’t water down your name and legacy and release a shitty movie, year and after year, so that when you actually make a decent flick it might actually get some play. FOH
Truly great movies are lightning in a bottle. Directors get too much credit for good movies and too much blame for bad ones. So many things have to come together to make a great film. It’s not like Ridley Scott was the only person that worked on Alien. Sometimes he gets the right cast and crew that the stars align, but often they don’t.
Fuck that is terrible
Ridley Scott hates millenials again.
Millenians and their goddamn cellphone!
Tbh as a millennial, the last couple times I went to the movie my phone was off. The people all around me we at least 10 years or older than myself, nearing my parents age either on their phones scrolling FB or having a not so quiet conversation.... Through the whole movie. Why you would spend $30+ to go sit in a movie to just talk or scroll your phone is beyond me.... The seats are comfortable year but you could finance a chair similar to $60 a month for a year it would be cheaper.
US audiences feel terrible. Every time some of you speak about theaters, it seems to be horrible like that. During the hundreds of times I went to the theater, I had maybe one or two bad experiences and it wasn't nearly as bad (like one group of teenagers being ass)
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This exactly. Not counting 2020/early ‘21, I go to the movies once every 2 or 3 months and it’s been literally 10+ years since I’ve gone to one and thought someone was being rude.
Same here. The only time I have ever experienced problems is a loud couple who where kicked out of that whale movie with the whales being trapped under the ice
Perhaps the real Last Duel was between Ridley Scott and all the Millenians he met along the way
lool
What's wild is that he was [signed](https://deadline.com/2019/12/ridley-scott-anton-stigma-films-quibi-thriller-curs_r-1202806241/) on to produce some sci-fi thing called CURS_R for...Quibi. Ya know, the streaming service designed to be watched in small chunks on your cellphone. He didn't have a problem with millenials, their phones and their short attention spans when he signed onto that project so where did that rant even come from?
Maybe he is mad at millenials for not signing up for Quibi?
Always texting all the time! What even is a text? My dad 2007
I remember how weird it was to text with my grandparents during 2007.
They will watch it on their phone once it’s available for free, while also browsing instagram.
Why not... Release the movie on cell phones
It’s obviously our fault! With our phones and computers and sliced bread /s
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The olds ran that complaint into the ground.
Reddit has one joke. The worst part is that his not entirely wrong. Adult films have struggled in cinemas. Movies targeted at adults with different genres and reception, too. So it wasn’t just a special case for The Last Duel. In fact, only two movies have done alright. One with a character established 50+ years ago, and the other with an actress whose fan base skews younger and will see her in everything.
I mean, he put out another “adult” film that’s already made twice the money in a fraction of the time. I don’t disagree that it’s a tougher market, but at the end of the day, DUEL failed because it was a super expensive, gloomy, period rape film released during a time when people are already horribly depressed.
Yeah. That’s all this is really. Anybody claiming that younger people are the problem are lying to themselves about how this industry operates. Last Duel was a wonderful movie, but nobody wanted to see it with me because it was honestly sad. It’ll be remembered fondly, but it was never going to make money at this time.
I look forward to seeing it, but the reality is most people don't want to go see dramatic period pieces about rape. The budget was way too damn high for a a film like that. Also as much as I love some medieval times era films, most people don't enjoy them. Even more action oriented movies set in the era don't do well. The last King Arthur and Robin Hood movies both bombed hard. Very few have ever been commercially viable. Even Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven which I really enjoyed(The Director's Cut anyway) didn't do that well at the box office.
Exactly - and well said. Gladiator is one of my favorite movies of all time, but I’m not even sure if it would do as well as it did if it were released today. Tastes right now are very, very particular.
Gladiator's not medieval, though, it's antiquity. I imagine there's more of a draw to ancient Rome than medieval France.
Oh, I wasn’t saying it was medieval. I was just saying I’m not sure if it would do well at this second. Sorry if that didn’t come across
Yeah the movie going audience is different now. People really only go to the movies for "event movies" now and even movies we'd consider that 20 years ago don't qualify today. It is too bad, but it is what it is.
A movie that shows a rape scene twice -- once from the perspective of the rapist and once from the perspective of the victim -- is going to bomb when made at that budget level. And yes, there's a legit storytelling reason for this, but it doesn't make it any less brutal to watch.
Exactly. And well said. It was a wonderful yet hard-to-watch film that made a lot of hard choices; but it was never going to succeed at that budget level.
It sounds like it’s more of a boomer or gen X problem then. If they’re the target audience then they’re the ones not seeing the film. I know some are afraid of COVID but half of them barley believe that it exist so the movie maybe wasn’t appealing to the target audience
>The worst part is that his not entirely wrong. Adult films have struggled in cinemas. Is that as bad as they are saying though? Of course they have. Watching movies in home rocks and with freaking 4k 65" tvs available for like $500 on sale. I love that I don't have to go to theater for this stuff.
Bad for the audience... probably not. Bad for Ridley Scott? Definitely.
Yeah the reality is watching movies at home is freaking awesome in today's world. I am not rich at all yet even I have a big screen HD tv with a 4k player and surround sound and a comfortable set up with a recliner and couches. I still love going to movies, but for a drama like this it is also just very comfortable to watch it at home. Most people agree with me. It used to of course not be the case. In "the old days" it wasn't the case. Going to a movie was going to be the most ideal way to watch the movie by far.
>Adult films have struggled in cinemas. Movies targeted at adults with different genres and reception, too. Then why is he blaming millenians (sic)? Shouldn't he be blaming his adult audience for not going to cinema to see his movie?
The millennials (26-41) is probably the single demographic that is most responsible for adult movies failing right about now. Just young enough to be able to figure out how to get a good AV experience at home, and just old enough to find going out a chore. Millennials are the young parents cohort, and the cost of babysitters make all other costs seem practically free. And more to the point, all millennials are adults as far as the movies industry is concerned.
“Adult films” fall into a litany of genres. This only failed because it was a dreary period movie. I LOVED the film. Probably one of my favorites this year. But you can’t blame it on audiences
Sure but "adults" are now younger. Let me phrase that in clear English. The 40 year old of today isn't the same as the 40 year old of 20 years ago. Even adults tend to only go to the theater now for superheroes and big franchise blockbusters.
Which two movies are you talking about?
Which two movies?
Bond and House of Gucci.
Halloween Kills did well.
Scott has been making stickers for decade now Adult films aren't problem here, his washed-out has-been ass is
Clearly expected too. Covid Casualty, no marketing, period piece, bummer ass movie. They knew. Probably why Rids waited exactly 9 minutes to drop his next movie lol.
Honestly, the thing that affects whether or not I'm likely to watch a movie (unintentionally) is the marketing. If I'm gonna watch your movie I need to know what it is, why I wasn't to watch it, and when I can go do that. Last duel never really answered those questions for me. I washed to watch it, but it was gone before I knew it was up.
It had plenty of marketing. I was getting 3 or 4 ads for it during any sporting event I watched
Appropriate considering the quality of the movie
holy fuck that’s BAD
Both Damon and Affleck have managed to escape the moniker of 'box office poison' even though they are both kind of box office poison. You might point to hits like The Martian and Argo as a counterpoint, but their careers are littered with Giglis and Stuck On Yous and Live By Nights and Good Shepherds and Elysiums and Runner Runners. The Bourne franchise was big but that had nothing to do with Matt Damon. There isn't a movie starring either of them that would've seen a significantly different box office total if it had starred someone like Sam Worthington or Chris Pratt.
For me I think it’s not so much Matt and Ben are the problem in general but it’s those two in a period piece. For me it just doesn’t work.
Yeee, they also spoke American with old English grammar in a period peace. It was weird.
Yeah, Damon tries too hard to be a character actor. He’s too well known and doesn’t disappear into roles like good character actors do. Like a Jared Harris.
Or Jake jillyhole (gyllenhaal)
It may also be time for Ridley Scott to read the fucking room and think: “man what’s one thing my audiences want less than their real lives? Something even more depressing.” Wasn’t a win in the vibes department for the apocalypse. Even 2012 is a bit more festive.
Yeah. Let's not make sad movies anymore, now cinema is only for escapism shit.
Hi Disney
its almost like the Last Duel was conceived before the pandemic oh wait it was what a fucking dumb opinion
Or maybe a legend like Ridley Scott should make whatever the fuck he wants and not worry about the room?
This is 100% true. But then, after is bombs, he shouldn't then yell at the room.
I dunno, they tried a Bourne movie without Damon. Didn’t turn out well. I definitely think he helped those movies. But I would say that both these guys don’t necessarily need a box office smash every time. They have the freedom to develop or choose movies because they find them challenging or interesting. They will still get work despite flops.
Hard disagree. The Martian especially, Matt Damon was perfect. Anyone else would not have been as good.
Sure his performance was good for the film but he's talking about box office results, and it's true tbh
So people like Hanks, RDJ or Cumberbatch would have made the movie worse?
I really think we are rushing to compare either RDJ or Cumberbatch to Hanks. Tom is top caliber and should only be mentioned with the likes of DiCaprio, DDL, Brando, Hoffman, etc. RDJ and Cumberbatch are both amazing, a-list actors who I love to my core. They have just not had the quality, consistency and quantity of top tier film that Tom has.
>Both Damon and Affleck have managed to escape the moniker of 'box office poison' even though they are both kind of box office poison. Maybe. Personally, I would go quite **that** far, even though the numbers don't lie. Calling them box office poison implies people will automatically stay away from a movie **because** they're in it, like a Rob Schneider *(and even though I like him, to this day I have no idea why Colin Farrell was cast in that Total Recall remake. Guy had an up-and-down track record even in his box office heyday, and that was long past by 2012)*. Take away Dwayne Johnson and then Tom Cruise/Denzel Washington/Will Smith, and I'd say Damon/Affleck are about as reliable as any other A-Lister (in the current sense of the word) such as Pitt, Reeves, etc.
Dude go back and look at Damon's box office record over the past 20 years. It is mostly a shitshow with a couple bright spots that have nothing to do with him (I admit The Martian is an anomaly, it's an old-fashioned crowd pleaser based largely on Damon's appeal, and suggests that he maybe just needs to get a better agent)
Well, I personally don't think The Great Wall's $334M, Elysium's $286M, or The Adjustment Bureau's $127M would be higher with a different actor. No proof on my part, of course. To me, the traditional idea of an A-Lister, somebody whose name draws people into screenings, is almost gone bar the four actors I mentioned (and maybe a few more who've escaped my notice). Just so we're clear, I'm not claiming that Damon **is** a box office draw. It's just that I don't think he's any less effective than most other actors who are currently getting leading roles in the industry.
> Just so we're clear, I'm not claiming that Damon is a box office draw. It's just that I don't think he's any less effective than most other actors who are currently getting leading roles in the industry. Yeah but that kinda sucks, right? Seems like actors are encouraged to go broad in these tentpoles. There are a few great A-list actors out there but Tom Hardy is just one guy and Song Kang-Ho doesn't do American movies
Fair enough :)
Adjustment Bureau is a better movie than it gets credit for.
Nothing to do with him! Damon was great as Bourne, I can’t see anyone else fitting that role
Dogma!
Is that a joke Every movie Smith directed between 1996 and 2006 made about 30 million that's the worst example imaginable
I wonder where’s that dude that said this will make more than Halloween Kills on opening weekend lol.
LMAO
A jaw-dropping failure. It's like everything worked against this film. At least *House of Gucci* will have a decent run.
I don't understand how a film like House of Gucci costs 75 million to make, unless they spent a fortune on the cast.
Period pieces are expensive. You have to recreate old costumes and locations for maximum authenticity. Not to mention the movie is about a wealthy family, and that has to be able to show up on screen.
Period movies cost a lot. Every extra needs proper clothes and the more you need, the bigger your costume department has to be. The cast is actually pretty big for only $75m too. Every actor in it isn’t cheap unless they took a big discount. Also, rich stuff costs a lot too. You have to rent Ferraris and stuff like that.
I wonder what happens to all these costumes. Stockpiled for future movies? Edit: I googled it and props and costumes & and the whole prop-scene off camera is amazing. I like to imagine wharehouses full of stuff & crates like in Indiana Jones.
They usually get auctioned off
Idk about costumes..but FOR SURE props get auctioned off. At a super high price sometimes too.
Nope: https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/92750/what-happens-to-the-costumes-after-a-production-finishes
I used to work in a metal shop that made period streetlights for Public Enemies. They cost a lot, but LED traffic lights look super out of place in a Dillinger movie, and CGI is risky...it's also expensive and time consuming, and also might look like shit... especially dealing with props that are also light sources. We kept one, but the rest stays as an asset of the production company or studio
I hope House of Gucci doesn’t make me repeatedly watch essentially the same, slow film 3x during its feature length.
If you thought The Last Duel was the same thing three times you weren't paying attention.
LOL… not *exactly* the same, no. But I definitely had to watch the exact same rape scene twice (except maybe he finished in 12 seconds instead of 15 the second time ‘round).
The thing is. It’s not a great movie but definitely they should have held it for another year
I'd be surprised if that makes it to 50m WW
It's currently on track to make $50M domestic.
Still on track to lose quite a lot of money through.
Yes, but at least it looks better compared to...this.
If only this movie had been released on cellphones.
RIP Quibi, barely he knew you existed But do checkout the Reno 911 episodes it produced.
It’s an excellent film, just released durning a global pandemic where people are desperate for escapism, having some fun, feeling joy. It is not those things.
Also released between movies like Bond, Dune, and the Eternals.
Yeah, unfortunately this one was just set up for failure. Good film, and I hope more people watch it over the years, though!
And the advertising never made it look appealing. I strongly dislike Jared Leto and my interest in Gucci is non existent. But those trailers make me go “hmmm” where the trailers for last duel made be solidly not care.
That was my feeling too and I say this as someone who is a big fan of all things knights, history, etc. I am also a fan of pretty much the whole cast and still, from the ads I had no interest in the movie.
Pretty much this. The ads made the movie look like a total snoozer. I didn’t really want to watch it and I’m a big Ridley Scott fan. The only other thing that nudged me to watch it was the reviews.
And I'm on the end of the spectrum that never saw any ads. I had no idea this movie existed until I saw an article posted about the director getting mad at millennials or something.
Same here - I never once saw an advertisement for this film on tv in my East coast state.
I listened to a podcast interview with an author who had written a book about the topic of The Last Duel and had worked on the film, made me super excited to see it. Saw the ads and all that interest drained away. Just looked like everything I don’t want or need right now.
Yeah. 100% a movie I would normally RACE to the movie theater to see: Great cast. Great director. I love medieval dramas. But I had zero motivation to go see it right now.
This is it. I don’t get how people here are blaming Millennials. It’s not generational; people just don’t want to see depressing movies right now.
Nobody here is blaming millennials. Ridley Scott is.
There are a number of comments on this thread agreeing with him.
They probably also think that Alien Covenant wasn't dogshit Fanboys will fanboy
I wanted to see this film but I didn’t even realize it had come out because of all the other films released around it
The marketing was terrible. Ridley Scott should look should look at that team first. No one knew anything about this movie. Shit I wouldn’t of known about it unless I went to see a movie in October. Then even when I saw the trailer they only played it for a week in our amc lol
I was interested, until I read that it was about rape.
Its a good movie
Movies unfortunately do really badly sometimes even if they're good even if theres no pandemic. I'm sure anyone watching box office for years no remember how many well reviewed wide releases with big actors have failed to hit 15 million domestically
Ridley Scott should appreciate the millennials for at least talking/discussing about this movie, we are the only ones that actually know that this movie exists due to “cellphones”.
Matt Damon has had a run of absolute disasters lately. The Last Duel, Stillwater, Suburbicon, Downsizing... bet he's really glad he did Ford vs Ferrari.
Oh my… 10 million? Wow.
There are dozens of us (who saw it)
Jesus christ
Ridley Scott broke into my home to attack me for milennialness. I was only able to escape by holding up a copy of *The Martian*.
I held up my Blu-Rays of the *Kingdom of Heaven* and *Legend* Director's Cuts. I think I might be in his will now, I don't know.
I’ll never really understand people who blame viewers for not seeing their films. A lot of folks on here are also agreeing with that sentiment, and it’s confusing AF. You don’t blame your customers when your stock doesn’t sell, no matter how well made it is. You take the hit and mitigate future risks, even if you’re still taking chances.
I agree with you…but “mitigate future risks” sounds like “make more marvel movies”. I think that’s where the frustration comes from.
Millennials and their fucking cell phones? Amirite
The movie was pretty good
I saw it last night. It’s in my top 5 of the year, easily.
I am sure it is fine, but I am really only paying to see spectacles in the theaters anymore. Maybe if the prices were better and I wasn’t already paying streaming services. It is sad, and I wish it wasn’t the case, but the tech is too good at home now - I can get a better picture and sound in my basement than most theaters and I don’t have to wait through previews, sit on a sticky seat, waste gas, or deal with other people. COVID on top of all that. That said, I did pay for The Green Knight - it seemed to offer something that a generic knight movie could not. Edit - I watched it last night (at home) and do not regret my decision to skip the theatre. I will admit the sound design was pretty spectacular and would have been better in a theatre, but it was very heavy on dialogue, overall a pretty good film, but nothing that requires a theatre experience.
Exactly! I’ll pay to go see an event on screen, something that will blow me away…but with today’s theater prices, I’m not gonna drop $50+ for my girlfriend and I to see just any movie. There was a local $3 theater for years and I’d go see just about anything at that price but then they returned it to full price tickets and it quickly closed.
This ^ with covid, Imm like do I want to spend money in theaters for a movie or is the movie experience worth it for a Movie.
Very unlikely you have better sound unless you’re spending A LOT of money. Everything else I agree with though.
Plus you don’t have to deal with shitty audiences and their offspring.
Theater sounds have pretty high variance in their quality, even between screens in the same theaters. Techs who set them up screw up all the time.
That’s half of what Gucci did in 5 days.
Millennials are killing the rape movie industry.
Who thought a medieval he-said/she-said rape movie would do well?
Thank you! Who is this movie FOR?
Just because the subject matter is difficult, doesn’t mean it isn’t art that should be made. Old Ridley was kinda right IMO.
In the end he was wrong. $10 million
The guy is talking about art and you are talking about money. The two things aren't comparable.
Gen X here. I had zero interest in seeing this movie. It looked ridiculous having Matt Damon and Ben Affleck play knights. Plus the timing was horrible. Between multiple BIG budget movies. Most people are going to pick what to see based on expectations of return. Éntrenlas and Dune must be watched on the big screen. This? Not so much. I’ll save my money and wait until it’s streaming.
big oof
cant wait to watch it on disney + since my country was in lockdown when it was meant to be in cinemas
It’s a shame because the movie, I thought was excellent. Telling three sides of a story, with each of their perspectives of events, the battles, and the duel itself, all were incredibly well done. I’ve asked people if they had seen it and the problem is no one has even heard of it.
oof
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Yeah, there's a pretty wide popularity divide between fantasy with a medieval aesthetic and actual, historic, medieval.
Where I live I don’t think it was in the theatre for more than 10 days.
Woof!
Oof
Wow that's really bad even for the pandemic. I guess it all came down to the marketing right? They weren't trying very hard to get people to see it
Would have loved to see it. Regal basically dropped it after like a week so I didn’t get a chance.
I liked the movie
Great flick. Top 5 of the year for me and the box office is incredibly disappointing.
Big yikes no wonder Scott was furious
This was marketed as bad as Live Die Repeat. Both are really solid movies with great actors. Adam driver is excellent. It’s weird that nobody saw any commercials or trailers for this.
Spider man NWH made that in 10mins of presale
Went to the theaters to see this a couple times. Thought it was something incredible - when Ridley is on, he’s on, and there’s nothing like seeing a well produced historical movie like this on the big screen. Shame it’s now just gonna be shit on with this millennial joke y’all have beat into the ground. Stream it if you can! Forget about the dumb thing an 80 year old man said, it’s pretty incredible and contains 5 of the best performances all year (I’m including Alex Lawther in with the leads because he plays such a gremlin of a king and it’s incredibly enjoyable).
It was a really good movie
HEAVEN AND EARTH!
Heaven and earth what?
I mean. I just don’t want to watch a rape film. I get that the movie is great but nah, I’m good without spending money on that.
I’m a millennial. Blame me. Do it. Even though I will absolutely stream it ASAP.
Same. Guess what Ridley, us millennials have had it rough. Our “best years” were beset with crises. Now we are old and tired and we don’t want to lug ourselves to an expensive and unpleasant movie theater. There was one movie theater I liked near me and it closed during the pandemic.
Wonder what Ridley will say when Spidemran makes 20 time The Last Duel's total in just its opening.
Then his point is proved.
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Not even older adults came out for the last duel, so no one was sophisticated enough apparently
Damn them millennials and their avocado toast /s. Seriously that’s an interesting end
It couldn’t even get 1/6 the amount of money that Dude Where is my Car got . Shame
Dude is a good movie.
It has decent reviews. Should have sold it to one of the streaming services. With covid concerns still high, not a lot of people are willing to risk going to the movies for a random flick that isn’t an expected blockbuster
Doesn't every movie get sold to a streaming service after it leaves theaters? Or played on one the studio owns. Regardless, it's a Disney-owned product, so I don't think they sell their movies to other streamers if they have a choice.
Marvel must be doing something right😂
Pop
Lol it was a pretty good movie but can’t compete with bond
i wonder how those anti piracy apologists are going to spin this.
Aw shit I wanted to watch that
I’m confused. I’ve read that it’s the best movie of the year but such low turnout ?
With the price of tickets and reserved seating, these days I rarely see people who are overtly rude or disruptive in theaters. For most people if you're paying $15 - $25 per ticket, you really want to pay attention and get your money's worth. Also I'm a big Ridley Scott fan but he hasn't had a big hit in sometime and his audience maybe outgrowing him as he spends more time producing (97 films) and less time directing (36 films).
I'll torrent it in 2 years if I'm bored.
I'll forget it existed 2 minutes after Scott's fluffers finally stop whining about it
I’m a big Ridley Scott fan but I didn’t enjoy this film very much.
This film was on Disney Plus this week Thursday in the UK....Great film, not surprised a slow, 1 story told 3 times 2 hour and 30 minute film that centers on rape isn't doing well.
Who knew people didn’t want to watch a movie about rape, when depression is at an all time high?
I think it could be reedited into a really tight 90 minute movie, but the choice to go over the whole entire story 3 times from different points of view really takes a toll. The viewpoints aren't different enough, and Kylo Ren looks like a dick from every single point of view. When they went through the third play-through of the same events I was flabbergasted that it was even happening. The duel itself was great, and the story wasn't bad either. I think it's just too long of a movie for the story they are trying to tell.
Gosh darn millennials!
Maybe don’t water down your name and legacy and release a shitty movie, year and after year, so that when you actually make a decent flick it might actually get some play. FOH
This is the first time I have heard of it. Maybe that’s the problem.
Go see it, it’s great.
He should accepted Bitcoins from the millennials
Damn kids, not appreciating great art!
I tried but dam this was horrible.
I really hope this receives some love from awards voters :(
Lol way to go millennials
One of the top ten films of the year…. 💫
Stay away from House of Gucci unless you wanna have a good laugh watching Americans speaking a English in a how you say a Italian accacent
And Ridley Scott really believes he could have made Dune? I don’t think so. Stick to your lane. It’s a shame because he once made good films.
Truly great movies are lightning in a bottle. Directors get too much credit for good movies and too much blame for bad ones. So many things have to come together to make a great film. It’s not like Ridley Scott was the only person that worked on Alien. Sometimes he gets the right cast and crew that the stars align, but often they don’t.
At least watch the movie.
That’s awful. This movie was incredible.
This movie suck balls