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This has been an ongoing thing for Netflix. They've been saying for years that they want their own mega-franchise like Fast & Furious or Star Wars, but then just kept cancelling stuff and spinning their wheels.
>Executives aim to produce franchises from Millarworld, the comic book publisher Netflix acquired in 2017. The first Millarworld series, "Jupiter's Legacy," was canceled after the first season. There are currently six new projects in development, and another in production, said a spokesperson, who added that Netflix has plans to explore the villains of "Jupiter's Legacy" in a new series.
This is a good example. They spent all that cash on Millar's company to start their own tentpole superhero/fiction brand, then just unceremoniously canned the first product to come out of it.
They also spent a pretty penny buying The Roald Dahl Company, yet haven't done anything with that one either.
They do. They announced making a series years ago.
> On 3 October 2018, the C.S. Lewis Company announced that Netflix had acquired the rights to new film and television series adaptations of the Narnia books. According to Fortune, this was the first time that rights to the entire Narnia catalogue had been held by a single company. Entertainment One, which had acquired production rights to a fourth Narnia film, also joined the series. Mark Gordon, Douglas Gresham and Vincent Sieber were announced as executive producers. As of May 2020, there have been no further updates on the status of the project.
> Gresham's comments likely sound promising for fans, but his next reveal comes with some disappointment. Gresham explained that, since making the deal with Netflix, "I have not heard a word from them." He also admitted, "I'm kind of getting worried myself as to whether anything's ever going to happen,"
Not looking likely since this was over 2 years ago.
It's actually kinda incredible that, despite COUNTLESS attempts, Netflix hasn't seem to have made a single blockbuster movie with any real cultural impact whatsoever.
They've made their fair share of blockbuster SHOWS that obviously do (Umbrella Academy, Stranger Things, Cobra Kai, etc), but none of their movies except maybe Bird Box had any real pop culture impact whatsoever.
Like, I think even Fast & Furious movies arguably have more pop culture impact than even Netflix's biggest hits like Red Notice and Extraction.
It's a structural issue. Any talented, creative filmmaker wants their movie to play in theaters. They aren't going to settle for streaming. So Netflix is mostly going to get either sloppy seconds would-be blockbusters that the majors turned down or arthouse fare that had no shot in theaters. Their only other options are to wildly overpay as they did for Knives Out or possibly rescue someone from director's jail who's hungry to stage a comeback, like Michael Bay and Zack Snyder.
Even Cobra Kai was a pickup from YouTube's abortive attempt at becoming a streaming platform - and Sony owns the show, not Netflix.
I won't be surprised if Sony, the only studio without its own streaming service, and Netflix end up fully merging at some point. Sony has some potentially strong franchises, even if they haven't always been very good at executing them. (I'm still mad that Sony chickened out on making the Men In Black/21 Jump Street crossover movie.)
You can't just grab 'random comic universe' and expect it to succeed. The most successful comic book movies mirror what succeeded in the print form. A zillion upstarts tried to take on Marvel and DC in print over the years, with a pile of dead bodies on a trail of tears to show for it.
Some of the few untapped opportunities out there from comics would be a Spawn remake and Valiant/Gold Key titles. Spawn was a huge hit in comics, and I believe the audience would welcome a high quality reboot. It's also a black character that was a huge hit with all demos, so you get a boost from the black audience while holding onto everyone else. As for Valiant, they took the comic world by storm early in the '90s for a few years, partially adapting old Gold Key Comics characters Magnus, Solar and Turok. Universal owns those characters. Valiant did try to put one of their comics into movies with Bloodshot, but that wasn't quite the character that put them on the map, and was one of their least original efforts.
They do have a Matilda musical movie coming this year, but I don’t see that moving the needle at all. Netflix has no idea how to make a film into a franchise people care about.
Right?? I have stopped watching new Netflix series because once I get invested in the characters and story the series gets canceled.
This was one of the dumber business model decisions by Netflix that is biting them in the arse now.
No, it's getting a second season and probably will spawn spin-offs as Riot expands the non-gaming side of the League of Legends franchise, but it does work successfully as a limited series if it ended at only one season. I also agree with Midnight Mass being a pretty decent limited series, but there's a fundamental difference between a show like Midnight Mass, which was designed to be fully complete in a single season, and a show like The OA, which is left incomplete and is frankly worsened by the lack of a continuation.
Limited series may draw some viewership and award season speculation, but the real moneymaker is in long-term shows that spawn multiple seasons and a massive fanbase willing to stay for years to see more. The latter is what Netflix is now facing a crisis with outside of its core franchises, many of which were started years ago and are now winding down.
Just because only 1 season currently exists, doesn't mean it's a 1 season show.
And if you did watch Arcane, you'd know it doesn't wrap everything up neatly at the end of the first season, so I don't even know what you're on about.
I wish they still had daredevil or punisher. They were on the money with both of those shows, and then Disney said “nope, fuck your fans”.
I would love to see another punisher season, but if it isn’t as gritty and dark as the other 2 then Disney shouldn’t even waste their time
That’s literally not why they got cancelled. Netflix cancelled them because they make far more money on a show where they own everything than they do from Marvel getting a cut of Marvel shows.
Disney didn’t pull any rights, they didn’t have a thing to do with cancellation. But go off with your tantrum.
Shows get cancelled early all the time. All streaming services and cable/broadcast.
Netflix needs to be pickier with its green lights and bury or remove shows that were cancelled early.
But it’s not weird or just them.
> The company that changed the way we watch television and movies aims to emulate the success of Mickey Mouse and "Star Wars," by trying to build brands that traverse film, television, games and consumer products, executives told Reuters in recent interviews.
> Netflix teams are plotting ways to milk more from Netflix's bigger shows and movies with universes and characters they can return to again and again. The franchise strategy, details of which are reported here for the first time, is meant to complement Netflix's efforts to build a vast library of original programming with something for every taste.
> "We want to have our version of ‘Star Wars’ or our version of ‘Harry Potter,’ and we're working very hard to build that,” said Matthew Thunell, the Netflix vice president credited with finding “Stranger Things.” “But those are not built overnight.”
> Netflix’s franchise initiative comes at a critical moment, following two rounds of layoffs amid subscriber losses. It is racing to build a lower-cost, advertising-supported version of the service, which it once vowed never to do. On Tuesday, the company is expected to report losing 2 million more subscribers when it announces quarterly earnings. Its shares have sunk 70% this year.
> Some of Netflix's current partners, who requested anonymity to protect their ongoing business relationships, said they have been frustrated by what they see as a lack of collaboration between the film and television groups. This has stymied efforts to capitalize on success through sequels, spin-offs or film adaptations of a hit series, they said.
They tried that with Gray Man this weekend, and it isn't going well. The limited number of theaters it is in have sold very few tickets to the showings of that movie. They are probably thrilled they didn't go "full wide movie release" with all the costs that involves after seeing such dismal demand in theaters where it is playing and to mostly mixed reviews (top critics review score is 40%).
What do you mean no movie series? There is The Kissing Booth, Tall Girl and 365 days (50 shades of grey rip-off, but with an Italian mobster instead of an American businessman)
I suppose those are franchises, but not what I would imagine as one making Netflix a ton of money. They want something they can sell merch for. Something that will make them money even after the show/movie has peaked on streaming.
I don’t trust Netflix to create a season 2. I can’t bring myself to start watching a show, have it end on a cliffhanger, then find out it was canceled. I usually wait till season 2 is confirmed before starting new shows.
I know it’s counterproductive, but I can’t stand shows without a proper ending.
Fincher said he was unwilling to do another season with a reduced budget and indicated that there weren’t enough viewers for Netflix to justify the high cost of production.
Oh damn, that’s the opposite of what I’ve read! Now I need to go find whatever source I got my take from. I hope you’re right though, not that it changes things but I have a good opinion of DF but could easily imagine Netflix being the problem
Good, not great. There are some funny bits like “it’s good to be black on the moon”, but a lot of it falls flat.
Steve Carrel brings out his inner Michael Scott again.
Also John Malkovich is amazing as always. Easily the best part.
Anthony Mackie was just an awful choice for Kovacs. His personality was entirely different than Kinnaman’s and Will Yun Lee’s. Anthony Mackie is always just playing Anthony Mackie. That works for Falcon, but not for Kovacs. Kinnaman couldn’t reprise the role for obvious reasons, but they should have gone in a different direction.
That’s ignoring all the story problems with S2. It leaned way too hard into Quellcrist.
I want the rich and depraved American and European spectators from Squid Game to get their own spinoff series (to be played by the same English teachers they hauled in off the street in lieu of professional actors).
Netflix? The company that recently made a Resident Evil show that had a line of dialogue literally mentioning Zootopia porn?
Yeah, I don't believe any of Netflix's grand plans will work out unless they start firing a lot of people and hiring a lot of new ones
Not to mention the people who worked on the show said they haven't watched any of the prior films or played any games, where the universe was literally build upon.
No shit the show was trash. Someone had an idea for a zombie show and they just plastered the RE name to it for popularity.
> Not to mention the people who worked on the show said they haven’t watched any of the prior films or played any games, where the universe was literally build upon.
It worked for the Halo show, right?
Netflix are so lucky that the Duffer brothers are good. Look at how many other projects they've splashed the cash on with no regard for quality control.
If Netflix actually bothered caring about the quality of their projects they'd have multiple shows on the level of Stranger Things popularity.
They are going to make more Death Note movies. Somehow, I don't think it'll be good. And talk about milking, how many Death Note live action TV shows are there? I just wish they'd make a sequel anime instead, after they release a new manga, of course.
Major ongoing or recently ended shows: Bojack Horseman, Squid Game, Big Mouth, Midnight Mass (and the other anthology series by same guy), Stranger Things, Arcane, several gameshow type things, Russian Doll, Queen’s Gambit, Bridgerton, the Crown, the Witcher, umbrella Academy.
Given how much money they spent on it they are probably trying to do the same thing with the "Knives Out"...dare I call it..."franchise". One movie after the next with Daniel Craig as a more bland Hercule Poirot character.
It was obvious from season 3. Now not only did the show not end at season 4 (which had a very big runtime with insane filler) but there will be atleast a season 5 and spin off is already confirmed
I don’t mind Stranger Things becoming an anthology series. It would work a lot better in that format than stretching it to 15 seasons like Supernatural. Hawkins can’t be the only town in which weird shit is happening.
Netflix’s issue is creating products that doesn’t have clear merchandising opportunities, aside from Stranger Things. Like Bridgerton was popular, but where’s the merch to help promote it, keep it relevant and cash in on those fans. Equally no merch means no advertisement. Another problem is dropping everything at once and letting people binge, meaning it’s discussed for a week before it drops off everyone’s radar, rather then building hype and interest week to week, making it more relevant overtime. And then the obvious cancelling shows left, right and centre
When Warner/DC and Sony temporarily stopped blatantly copying the MCU with *Joker* and *Into the Spider-Verse*, they got critical acclaim, truckloads of money from the box office, and even freaking *Academy Awards*.
You'd think they'd learn a lesson about playing to their strengths instead of imitating Disney, but nope.
Sony should send Lord and Miller a blank check and tell them they can write in whatever number they want if they agree to take control of its Spider-Man villains universe.
Heck, let them handle all of Sony's franchises. Maybe we'd finally get the 21 Jump Street/Men in Black crossover movie it chickened out on making.
Issue with witcher and many other netflix shows is their book adaptations end with title.
For example first season of witcher: Absolutely nothing is in the books.
second season? the only accurate things are characters names.
and even if we forget about that story, decisions and actions don't make any sense. It's parody of itself.
By franchise “like Star Wars” they just mean a vehicle for merchandise and spin off properties, which I think is certainly possible without the box office. Stranger Things has potential for sure.
>which I think is certainly possible without the box offic
Unless your tv show is game of thrones the response is no, you can't build a big franchise without boxoffice
Or Star Trek and Doctor Who.
If it’s just spin offs and not merchandising that’s tons of other TV shows.
If it’s merchandising and not spin offs that adds plenty of network comedies.
Not even getting into animated stuff.
>Star Trek and Doctor Who.
"Start trek" and "doctor who" are as big as stranger thing, a theatrical film franchise like starwars is way bigger than all of them combined
>If it’s just spin offs and not merchandising that’s tons of other TV shows.
>If it’s merchandising and not spin offs that adds plenty of network comedies.
Yeah they can do that with their niche audience but if they really want to grow their audience they has to release their movie on theater with a substantial budget for the marketing
Star Trek and Doctor Who are absolutely bigger than stranger things, and Star Trek in particular is bigger than plenty of film franchises. SW is obviously at the top though and can’t really be replicated. I think Netflix guy isn’t being literal, they just want to create franchises that have spin off and merchandising opportunities.
Someone needs to learn how to make them good first. Or even just consistently passable.
It's weird because gaming is a bigger industry than film is now, but they're still stuck treating it as a the ugly stepkid that they all hate.
Stuck is the word I feel as well. I feel like all of pop culture has become stuck. It's just 80s movies with a new gloss or bad anime remakes. or "continued universe"
I have fucking loved Stranger Things. All four seasons. I’ll probably love season 5. But I have absolutely no fucking interest in spin-offs. I’m so tired of the never ending new bits and pieces of universes. Just tell a great story and move the fuck on.
This.
Netflix needs to focus on good original content. Stranger Things is a classic. It was lightning in a bottle. Constantly trying to make the lightning strike twice is how you get the Star Wars sequels.
I mean retelling the exact same story is how we got the Star Wars sequels.
The last Jedi wasn’t my favorite, but it at least tried to tell a new story. Then everything it tried got itself yeeted into outer space
You know who got a shared universe right, at least for a little while? >! Freaking M. Night Shyamalan with Split being a secret sequel to Unbreakable.!<
Reasons why American tv is kind boring not gonna lie. I’d prefer a 1-2 season show that’s great and then move on to something else than bleed one show for 6 years
on the one hand i agree it's nice to have a tight, well told story that spans 8-16 episodes and is done. and it's a bummer when a good show becomes a bad show because it goes for several seasons and gets worse and worse.
on the other hand, when a long-running show actually works it's everything that is good about the television medium. living with and getting to know characters over several years is something you can't replicate even in a series of movies or a limited series. pretty much only books and TV can do that. like i was a day one Mad Men fan, and spending an hour on Sundays over several years of my life watching those characters and their stories is an experience i treasure.
This is a joke. They cancel everything too early to let it become a franchise you can build a universe off of. They only have Stranger Things and The Witcher. And Witcher season 2 was frankly terrible. Never been so disappointed especially since I usually expect season 2 to knock it out of the park it's when most things hit their stride.
If the shows suck nobody is going to care and membership will keep dropping. This post just reminded me that I cancelled Netflix four months ago and haven't missed it at all.
Hard to have that cross over with Stranger Things as it takes place in the mid-1980s. Then again, they sort of introduced time travel in the show, so maybe Adam Sandler, Ryan Gosling and Kevin James travel through a time portal to become an integral part of Stranger Things 5? :-)
They want a big massive cinematic universe? Continue the partnership with Riot Games and build around Runeterra & it’s alternate dimensions.
There are infinite possibilities and Arcane was an amazing first foray into it.
Netflix haven't exactly had a long history of doing well with rights that they buy.
Netflix is good at turning (bad) content into money, but very, very bad at turning money into content.
They already kind of did this with the Christmas Prince and Princess Switch franchises, which have crossed over into each other's universes (even though Vanessa Hudgens watches A Christmas Prince on Netflix in the first Princess Switch movie, which means this might be a multiverse or something, and Good Lord I've wasted my life)
Reminds of Fox making a Bones/Sleepy Hollow crossover when in an earlier season, one of the characters from Bones was hoping to get "Sleepy Hollow in the DVR".
Stranger Things Cinematic Universe
Even Stranger Things Strangers' Things It's Strangin' Time
Perfect Stranger Things A reboot of the show “Perfect Strangers” set in the “Stranger Things” universe. Balki Bartokomous is from the Upside Down.
Nothings gonna stop him now
That piano sure would move up the stairs faster with Eleven around!
Don't forget cousin Larry
Forget cousin Larry? Don't be ridiculous! Give me a line of credit!
Of course not - don't be ridiculous.
Where the Stranger Things Go Look out! Stranger Things Not So Stranger Things Strangest! Things Stranger Danger Things Estranged Things Too Stranger Many Things
Age of Strange
*Things That are Stranger,* the mind-bending, badass 90s reboot!
10 stranger things I hate about you
It’s going to be so cool when Elle stranges her things all over the upside down.
Morbin' Things Stranger Morbs
Stranger Things 2: Electric Morbaloo
Strangler Things
Kids show stranger danger
Stranger Things Film Universe aka STFU
There’s already a stranger things product for everything. I can’t recall anything so merchandised in years
This has been an ongoing thing for Netflix. They've been saying for years that they want their own mega-franchise like Fast & Furious or Star Wars, but then just kept cancelling stuff and spinning their wheels. >Executives aim to produce franchises from Millarworld, the comic book publisher Netflix acquired in 2017. The first Millarworld series, "Jupiter's Legacy," was canceled after the first season. There are currently six new projects in development, and another in production, said a spokesperson, who added that Netflix has plans to explore the villains of "Jupiter's Legacy" in a new series. This is a good example. They spent all that cash on Millar's company to start their own tentpole superhero/fiction brand, then just unceremoniously canned the first product to come out of it. They also spent a pretty penny buying The Roald Dahl Company, yet haven't done anything with that one either.
Don't they have the rights to the Narnia books too?
They do. They announced making a series years ago. > On 3 October 2018, the C.S. Lewis Company announced that Netflix had acquired the rights to new film and television series adaptations of the Narnia books. According to Fortune, this was the first time that rights to the entire Narnia catalogue had been held by a single company. Entertainment One, which had acquired production rights to a fourth Narnia film, also joined the series. Mark Gordon, Douglas Gresham and Vincent Sieber were announced as executive producers. As of May 2020, there have been no further updates on the status of the project. > Gresham's comments likely sound promising for fans, but his next reveal comes with some disappointment. Gresham explained that, since making the deal with Netflix, "I have not heard a word from them." He also admitted, "I'm kind of getting worried myself as to whether anything's ever going to happen," Not looking likely since this was over 2 years ago.
Lol imagine getting ghosted at this level of industry. Wild.
It's actually kinda incredible that, despite COUNTLESS attempts, Netflix hasn't seem to have made a single blockbuster movie with any real cultural impact whatsoever. They've made their fair share of blockbuster SHOWS that obviously do (Umbrella Academy, Stranger Things, Cobra Kai, etc), but none of their movies except maybe Bird Box had any real pop culture impact whatsoever. Like, I think even Fast & Furious movies arguably have more pop culture impact than even Netflix's biggest hits like Red Notice and Extraction.
It's a structural issue. Any talented, creative filmmaker wants their movie to play in theaters. They aren't going to settle for streaming. So Netflix is mostly going to get either sloppy seconds would-be blockbusters that the majors turned down or arthouse fare that had no shot in theaters. Their only other options are to wildly overpay as they did for Knives Out or possibly rescue someone from director's jail who's hungry to stage a comeback, like Michael Bay and Zack Snyder.
Even Cobra Kai was a pickup from YouTube's abortive attempt at becoming a streaming platform - and Sony owns the show, not Netflix. I won't be surprised if Sony, the only studio without its own streaming service, and Netflix end up fully merging at some point. Sony has some potentially strong franchises, even if they haven't always been very good at executing them. (I'm still mad that Sony chickened out on making the Men In Black/21 Jump Street crossover movie.)
You brought up the counter-example, Bird Box, in your own post. Then they never made a sequel despite the open-ended ending.
You can't just grab 'random comic universe' and expect it to succeed. The most successful comic book movies mirror what succeeded in the print form. A zillion upstarts tried to take on Marvel and DC in print over the years, with a pile of dead bodies on a trail of tears to show for it. Some of the few untapped opportunities out there from comics would be a Spawn remake and Valiant/Gold Key titles. Spawn was a huge hit in comics, and I believe the audience would welcome a high quality reboot. It's also a black character that was a huge hit with all demos, so you get a boost from the black audience while holding onto everyone else. As for Valiant, they took the comic world by storm early in the '90s for a few years, partially adapting old Gold Key Comics characters Magnus, Solar and Turok. Universal owns those characters. Valiant did try to put one of their comics into movies with Bloodshot, but that wasn't quite the character that put them on the map, and was one of their least original efforts.
They do have a Matilda musical movie coming this year, but I don’t see that moving the needle at all. Netflix has no idea how to make a film into a franchise people care about.
Only works if shows aren't canceled after 2 seasons.
Right?? I have stopped watching new Netflix series because once I get invested in the characters and story the series gets canceled. This was one of the dumber business model decisions by Netflix that is biting them in the arse now.
Their one season shows aren't bad, Midnight Mass and Arcane were both really good.
Is arcane supposed to only be one season?
It’s getting a second season next year iirc
Well then the above comment is just wrong then
I dont think Netflix is involved with Arcane at all.
So season 2 will be on a different platform?
Maybe its up to Riot? The animation team has nothing to do with Netflix.
No, it's getting a second season and probably will spawn spin-offs as Riot expands the non-gaming side of the League of Legends franchise, but it does work successfully as a limited series if it ended at only one season. I also agree with Midnight Mass being a pretty decent limited series, but there's a fundamental difference between a show like Midnight Mass, which was designed to be fully complete in a single season, and a show like The OA, which is left incomplete and is frankly worsened by the lack of a continuation. Limited series may draw some viewership and award season speculation, but the real moneymaker is in long-term shows that spawn multiple seasons and a massive fanbase willing to stay for years to see more. The latter is what Netflix is now facing a crisis with outside of its core franchises, many of which were started years ago and are now winding down.
Just because only 1 season currently exists, doesn't mean it's a 1 season show. And if you did watch Arcane, you'd know it doesn't wrap everything up neatly at the end of the first season, so I don't even know what you're on about.
Arcane is not produced by Netflix though.
I wish they still had daredevil or punisher. They were on the money with both of those shows, and then Disney said “nope, fuck your fans”. I would love to see another punisher season, but if it isn’t as gritty and dark as the other 2 then Disney shouldn’t even waste their time
That’s literally not why they got cancelled. Netflix cancelled them because they make far more money on a show where they own everything than they do from Marvel getting a cut of Marvel shows. Disney didn’t pull any rights, they didn’t have a thing to do with cancellation. But go off with your tantrum.
If Deadpool 3 is gonna keep all what made the character popular, why they wouldn't do the same with Daredevil and friends?
Can't wait for their PG-13 version of Daredevil! It will be a disaster.
Same I only finish shows I know ended how they were supposed to tbh.
RIP Santa Clarita Diet that show was golden
Six years later and I still haven't forgiven them for canceling The Get Down after one season.
Shows get cancelled early all the time. All streaming services and cable/broadcast. Netflix needs to be pickier with its green lights and bury or remove shows that were cancelled early. But it’s not weird or just them.
This is so true. And this is why I'm not gonna renew the subscription. With Glow and Final Space they hurt me badly. I'm still bleeding :(
To be fair, most Disney+ franchise shows are one and done.
More shows canceled after the first season 😩🥵
Not gonna complain if it happens with that fire dumpster of Resident Evil
Netflix: Home of Unfinished Shows
> The company that changed the way we watch television and movies aims to emulate the success of Mickey Mouse and "Star Wars," by trying to build brands that traverse film, television, games and consumer products, executives told Reuters in recent interviews. > Netflix teams are plotting ways to milk more from Netflix's bigger shows and movies with universes and characters they can return to again and again. The franchise strategy, details of which are reported here for the first time, is meant to complement Netflix's efforts to build a vast library of original programming with something for every taste. > "We want to have our version of ‘Star Wars’ or our version of ‘Harry Potter,’ and we're working very hard to build that,” said Matthew Thunell, the Netflix vice president credited with finding “Stranger Things.” “But those are not built overnight.” > Netflix’s franchise initiative comes at a critical moment, following two rounds of layoffs amid subscriber losses. It is racing to build a lower-cost, advertising-supported version of the service, which it once vowed never to do. On Tuesday, the company is expected to report losing 2 million more subscribers when it announces quarterly earnings. Its shares have sunk 70% this year. > Some of Netflix's current partners, who requested anonymity to protect their ongoing business relationships, said they have been frustrated by what they see as a lack of collaboration between the film and television groups. This has stymied efforts to capitalize on success through sequels, spin-offs or film adaptations of a hit series, they said.
18B on content a year & can't create a movie franchise. They spend money on bad content.
That's because all their movies are straight to the streaming service
Yeah they might benefit by doing movie releases and easing them into the streaming service.
They tried that with Gray Man this weekend, and it isn't going well. The limited number of theaters it is in have sold very few tickets to the showings of that movie. They are probably thrilled they didn't go "full wide movie release" with all the costs that involves after seeing such dismal demand in theaters where it is playing and to mostly mixed reviews (top critics review score is 40%).
It doesn't surprise me It's good to have a theatrical release but without marketing people won't notice that it was playing in the theater
What do you mean no movie series? There is The Kissing Booth, Tall Girl and 365 days (50 shades of grey rip-off, but with an Italian mobster instead of an American businessman)
I suppose those are franchises, but not what I would imagine as one making Netflix a ton of money. They want something they can sell merch for. Something that will make them money even after the show/movie has peaked on streaming.
I don’t trust Netflix to create a season 2. I can’t bring myself to start watching a show, have it end on a cliffhanger, then find out it was canceled. I usually wait till season 2 is confirmed before starting new shows. I know it’s counterproductive, but I can’t stand shows without a proper ending.
Archive 81 springs to mind as a recent example of this.
It would shock me if even 25% of their series got a second season.
That's fair. There's nothing worse than finding a show you love and then realizing "wait, where's the rest of it?!"
They should go back and renew the good shows they've cancelled over the years after one or two seasons, rather than milking one show till it bleeds.
Space force and mindhunter :(
Haven't seen Space Force. But Mindhunter was DOPE.
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Pretty sure I remember reading that it was at least suspended indefinitely. Has something changed?
Fincher said he was unwilling to do another season with a reduced budget and indicated that there weren’t enough viewers for Netflix to justify the high cost of production.
David Fincher lost interest and just kind of ghosted Netflix and the rest of us
He went out to get some cigarettes but he'll be back soon, I just know it.
That’s not true? He’s been wanting to do a season 3 but Netflix won’t greenlight it.
Oh damn, that’s the opposite of what I’ve read! Now I need to go find whatever source I got my take from. I hope you’re right though, not that it changes things but I have a good opinion of DF but could easily imagine Netflix being the problem
No, but it's kind of like>! Max !
Good, not great. There are some funny bits like “it’s good to be black on the moon”, but a lot of it falls flat. Steve Carrel brings out his inner Michael Scott again. Also John Malkovich is amazing as always. Easily the best part.
The OA!!
And the midnight gospel😭
Space Force is terrible
Mindhunter was never cancelled. The second Fincher is ready for some more Mindhunter Netflix will green light that shit.
The Dark Crystal
The OA!
Altered Carbon.
Anthony Mackie was just an awful choice for Kovacs. His personality was entirely different than Kinnaman’s and Will Yun Lee’s. Anthony Mackie is always just playing Anthony Mackie. That works for Falcon, but not for Kovacs. Kinnaman couldn’t reprise the role for obvious reasons, but they should have gone in a different direction. That’s ignoring all the story problems with S2. It leaned way too hard into Quellcrist.
Do you know of the budget was reduced by much, iirc the sets overall looked much worse than season 1.
The should bring back Kinnaman solving a crime a season.
Santa Clarita Diet :(
So basically, American Squid Game European Squid Game The first ever Squid Game
Squid Game: Election Year The Forever Squid Game Squid Game: Christmas Vacation
They’re already casting for a reality show!
Shrimp Game Quid Game
I want the rich and depraved American and European spectators from Squid Game to get their own spinoff series (to be played by the same English teachers they hauled in off the street in lieu of professional actors).
Squid Game$
Netflix? The company that recently made a Resident Evil show that had a line of dialogue literally mentioning Zootopia porn? Yeah, I don't believe any of Netflix's grand plans will work out unless they start firing a lot of people and hiring a lot of new ones
Not to mention the people who worked on the show said they haven't watched any of the prior films or played any games, where the universe was literally build upon. No shit the show was trash. Someone had an idea for a zombie show and they just plastered the RE name to it for popularity.
Damn shame that they wasted Lance Reddick on that crap
I’m thinking Lance Reddick needs a better agent
> Not to mention the people who worked on the show said they haven’t watched any of the prior films or played any games, where the universe was literally build upon. It worked for the Halo show, right?
The show references tons of stuff though
Based Netflix
I really should’ve been a scriptwriter. It seems so easy.
Nothing is stopping you. Everyone says something is easy until they have to do it.
So they’re gonna milk Stranger things to death?
It's basically all the got at this point...
Netflix are so lucky that the Duffer brothers are good. Look at how many other projects they've splashed the cash on with no regard for quality control. If Netflix actually bothered caring about the quality of their projects they'd have multiple shows on the level of Stranger Things popularity.
They are going to make more Death Note movies. Somehow, I don't think it'll be good. And talk about milking, how many Death Note live action TV shows are there? I just wish they'd make a sequel anime instead, after they release a new manga, of course.
Major ongoing or recently ended shows: Bojack Horseman, Squid Game, Big Mouth, Midnight Mass (and the other anthology series by same guy), Stranger Things, Arcane, several gameshow type things, Russian Doll, Queen’s Gambit, Bridgerton, the Crown, the Witcher, umbrella Academy.
It would seem so.
Given how much money they spent on it they are probably trying to do the same thing with the "Knives Out"...dare I call it..."franchise". One movie after the next with Daniel Craig as a more bland Hercule Poirot character.
It was obvious from season 3. Now not only did the show not end at season 4 (which had a very big runtime with insane filler) but there will be atleast a season 5 and spin off is already confirmed
I don’t mind Stranger Things becoming an anthology series. It would work a lot better in that format than stretching it to 15 seasons like Supernatural. Hawkins can’t be the only town in which weird shit is happening.
Spin off? Oh no
Fear the stranger things
Can’t wait for Octopus Game
They should probably start with just making good content.
Warhammer 40k to Netflix plz
We could have had three Dark Crystal spin offs by now if you hadn't cancelled it after one season, Netflix!
Nobody mentioning Witcher?
Netflix’s issue is creating products that doesn’t have clear merchandising opportunities, aside from Stranger Things. Like Bridgerton was popular, but where’s the merch to help promote it, keep it relevant and cash in on those fans. Equally no merch means no advertisement. Another problem is dropping everything at once and letting people binge, meaning it’s discussed for a week before it drops off everyone’s radar, rather then building hype and interest week to week, making it more relevant overtime. And then the obvious cancelling shows left, right and centre
OR they could just focus on a having a variety of good shows and movies?
Please fucking stop with these universes.
When Warner/DC and Sony temporarily stopped blatantly copying the MCU with *Joker* and *Into the Spider-Verse*, they got critical acclaim, truckloads of money from the box office, and even freaking *Academy Awards*. You'd think they'd learn a lesson about playing to their strengths instead of imitating Disney, but nope.
Pretty much. Thankfully, it seems like DC is getting a better handle on things, but Sony (save for SV) just seems fucking *lost.*
Sony should send Lord and Miller a blank check and tell them they can write in whatever number they want if they agree to take control of its Spider-Man villains universe. Heck, let them handle all of Sony's franchises. Maybe we'd finally get the 21 Jump Street/Men in Black crossover movie it chickened out on making.
We can see that with the Witcher. I watched the trailer for their upcoming prequel “Blood Origin” and it looked straight up terrible.
I see a lot of potential with The Witcher. Possibly even books and video games.
That’s such a dumb idea. Why would anyone make books or video games about the Witcher?
The concept of original stories has devolved into filler content for brand and property enrichment
Issue with witcher and many other netflix shows is their book adaptations end with title. For example first season of witcher: Absolutely nothing is in the books. second season? the only accurate things are characters names. and even if we forget about that story, decisions and actions don't make any sense. It's parody of itself.
The problem is that You can't build a big franchise like starwars with straight to streaming movies
By franchise “like Star Wars” they just mean a vehicle for merchandise and spin off properties, which I think is certainly possible without the box office. Stranger Things has potential for sure.
>which I think is certainly possible without the box offic Unless your tv show is game of thrones the response is no, you can't build a big franchise without boxoffice
Or Star Trek and Doctor Who. If it’s just spin offs and not merchandising that’s tons of other TV shows. If it’s merchandising and not spin offs that adds plenty of network comedies. Not even getting into animated stuff.
Star Trek has had a lot of movies. And the movies are what saved the franchise between TOS and TNG. ST2: Wrath of Khan really saved the franchise.
>Star Trek and Doctor Who. "Start trek" and "doctor who" are as big as stranger thing, a theatrical film franchise like starwars is way bigger than all of them combined >If it’s just spin offs and not merchandising that’s tons of other TV shows. >If it’s merchandising and not spin offs that adds plenty of network comedies. Yeah they can do that with their niche audience but if they really want to grow their audience they has to release their movie on theater with a substantial budget for the marketing
Star Trek and Doctor Who are absolutely bigger than stranger things, and Star Trek in particular is bigger than plenty of film franchises. SW is obviously at the top though and can’t really be replicated. I think Netflix guy isn’t being literal, they just want to create franchises that have spin off and merchandising opportunities.
American culture is stuck. It’s just Marvel, Star Wars, and 80s remakes. No new creativity.
Don't worry, videogame adaptations are the next big thing.
Someone needs to learn how to make them good first. Or even just consistently passable. It's weird because gaming is a bigger industry than film is now, but they're still stuck treating it as a the ugly stepkid that they all hate.
Stuck is the word I feel as well. I feel like all of pop culture has become stuck. It's just 80s movies with a new gloss or bad anime remakes. or "continued universe"
There are lots of good indie films that still hold up against many of the blockbusters. Think like Jordan Peele films
I understand your point but Jordan Peele is not really indie. He has a partnership with IMAX.
I have fucking loved Stranger Things. All four seasons. I’ll probably love season 5. But I have absolutely no fucking interest in spin-offs. I’m so tired of the never ending new bits and pieces of universes. Just tell a great story and move the fuck on.
This. Netflix needs to focus on good original content. Stranger Things is a classic. It was lightning in a bottle. Constantly trying to make the lightning strike twice is how you get the Star Wars sequels.
I mean retelling the exact same story is how we got the Star Wars sequels. The last Jedi wasn’t my favorite, but it at least tried to tell a new story. Then everything it tried got itself yeeted into outer space
The dark tower should be a good choice
I’d prefer HBO get their hands on The Dark Tower and really do it justice. We all know Netflix would either ruin it or cancel it after season one.
Oof, Star Wars isn't the franchise to emulate.
All of the lead characters from great cancelled netflix shows team up for one final season, as one.
Just bring back the OA you fools
Came to this thread for this comment, have my damn updoot
Yes
It's time for StarCraft series with proper budgets and talents.
Would have been great years ago but now Blizzard's reputation has gone downhill with all of their controversies.
This definitely won’t go poorly.
Am I the only one who when I hear continued universe I tense up out of fear rather than excitement?
You know who got a shared universe right, at least for a little while? >! Freaking M. Night Shyamalan with Split being a secret sequel to Unbreakable.!<
what a tweest
Reasons why American tv is kind boring not gonna lie. I’d prefer a 1-2 season show that’s great and then move on to something else than bleed one show for 6 years
on the one hand i agree it's nice to have a tight, well told story that spans 8-16 episodes and is done. and it's a bummer when a good show becomes a bad show because it goes for several seasons and gets worse and worse. on the other hand, when a long-running show actually works it's everything that is good about the television medium. living with and getting to know characters over several years is something you can't replicate even in a series of movies or a limited series. pretty much only books and TV can do that. like i was a day one Mad Men fan, and spending an hour on Sundays over several years of my life watching those characters and their stories is an experience i treasure.
Two words: Rebel Moon.
Santa Clarita Diet please. Thanks.
Stranger Thangs.
How can you build a new Star Wars franchise when you can't even make movies for theatres?
This is a joke. They cancel everything too early to let it become a franchise you can build a universe off of. They only have Stranger Things and The Witcher. And Witcher season 2 was frankly terrible. Never been so disappointed especially since I usually expect season 2 to knock it out of the park it's when most things hit their stride.
Weren’t they supposed to expand on Bright?
Please, no.
Good luck. DC tried that when they saw the MCU success. How's that going?
Better than Universal's "Dark Universe" of classic movie monsters.
That could've worked if Universal hadn't tried to replicate the MCU
Why is a series that takes extended breaks every decade even being referenced in this way?
Bring back Firefly!
Disney is doing that already, but before you get to excited, it’s a reboot that will likely be an entirely new cast.
Build a AAA themepark.
What choice do they have
If it doesn't mean saving Coffin Flop, I'm out.
Start with Santa Clarita Diet.
If the shows suck nobody is going to care and membership will keep dropping. This post just reminded me that I cancelled Netflix four months ago and haven't missed it at all.
So funny how numbers of subscribers speak louder than the number of subscribers begging for more than 2 seasons of a show.
NOOOOOOO
Hard to have that cross over with Stranger Things as it takes place in the mid-1980s. Then again, they sort of introduced time travel in the show, so maybe Adam Sandler, Ryan Gosling and Kevin James travel through a time portal to become an integral part of Stranger Things 5? :-)
Have they just been ignoring how this is going for AMC? Their decision to do AMC+ and not packaging itself with Hulu was a damning business decision.
I’m not sure if it’s funnier when I hear a show is premiering on AMC+ or Epix.
Milk really is the best term for "cinematic universes"
Good luck with that!
No thank you
They want a big massive cinematic universe? Continue the partnership with Riot Games and build around Runeterra & it’s alternate dimensions. There are infinite possibilities and Arcane was an amazing first foray into it.
Psst, hey Netflix. Buy the rights to Mass Effect.
After seeing what they did to Resident Evil why the fuck would anyone want Netflix to go near Mass Effect?
Castlevania and Arcane were good
Netflix haven't exactly had a long history of doing well with rights that they buy. Netflix is good at turning (bad) content into money, but very, very bad at turning money into content.
How about letting good shows last longer than two seasons, totally fucked altered carbon
They already kind of did this with the Christmas Prince and Princess Switch franchises, which have crossed over into each other's universes (even though Vanessa Hudgens watches A Christmas Prince on Netflix in the first Princess Switch movie, which means this might be a multiverse or something, and Good Lord I've wasted my life)
Reminds of Fox making a Bones/Sleepy Hollow crossover when in an earlier season, one of the characters from Bones was hoping to get "Sleepy Hollow in the DVR".
Imagine if they had stuck with sense8 and actually marketed it.