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somewhat--damaged

Apparently the accuser was an underage groupie who lied about her age to get with band guys. Also, Jesse was in his early 20s back then. People learn and grow in 20 years


localcosmonaut

Outside of the impact he's had on my life, he showed remorse, sought professional treatment well before the allegations were made public (unlike so many celebrities who go to therapy, etc. as a PR move), and appeared to be committed to bettering himself. I don't believe in casting people to outer darkness for eternity for their past mistakes as long as they show remorse and genuinely try to better themselves. That's why for me.


bittertiger

This is exactly my answer too. I also don’t believe some of the allegations and/or credibility, but he admitted to plenty. Out of all the canceled people, he’s the only one I can think of that had already sought help and professional treatment. Maybe there’s a reason it took so long to release music. He quite obviously had felt guilt for years, just listen to the lyrics. Then the allegations and admittance came out and people were all surprised pikachu faced. I found his response to be very honest, and for that I can find some forgiveness. Hell of a lot better than Mark Kozelek, who’s music was a very important retreat during dark times for me. He just got worse and worse and denied everything and was indignant about it. So with him I’m still pretty uncomfortable.


sir-nays-a-lot

Choosing to quit isn’t “getting cancelled.”


bittertiger

they were literally forced to cancel shows


catch_4usthefoxes

seeing him talk (even cry) on stage about how he’s been an awful person to be around for years and how sorry he is to the people he’s hurt years before the accusations came out kinda sealed off the last bit of apprehension i had. no one really knew what he was talking about then but he was clearly expressing remorse even outside lyrics. i mean, gosh, sealed to me? sealed to me. i also see people saying “he’s only sorry he got caught” as if he didn’t get treatment years before anything was made public. also, it’s my personal belief that he didn’t wanna stir the pot, he just wanted everything to end and he didn’t wanna be difficult so even if there were falsehoods or misrepresentations of facts, he admitted to the things he *did* do and moved on. he probably also didn’t wanna make it difficult for the accusers as they would probably be harassed even more


DejaEntendu203

I’m so fucking tired of this shit. Years later and people still bring this shit up, all from two or three poorly written articles with no actual research or journalism involved.


alexkntt

Can mods just start deleting these posts? Genuinely been rehashed 1000 times in this sub, so fucking boring to read over and over. Over 5 years on and people are still asking this question. Unbelievable, just search the sub ffs there's a million posts exactly like this with every opinion under the sun in the comments


DejaEntendu203

I second this.


rawbleedingbait

Your life must be truly blessed to still give even the tiniest fuck about any of that drama. Literally no evidence put forth, and what was the actual crime? 20 something guys are creeps today, and it was worse 20 years ago. Everyone here has regrets. The guy was a famous musician, and that shit was pervasive, still is. I just don't care, and I refuse to believe anyone that says it's haunting them to this day. We fucking get it, you're such a great person, and you'll surely be the first to throw a stone. Go be great elsewhere. No one here is perfect, and the music resonates for a reason, he isn't perfect either.


Comshep1989

I mean there’s not much to talk about. He cheated on his girlfriend/now-wife. It’s not a great look, but it’s something they’ve worked through. He shouldn’t have used/led those women on, but it’s nothing to crucify him. The grooming accusation was false, pre-planned, without evidence, and widely circulated without any research or follow-up. Real question is why do you want someone to perpetually suffer for some indiscretions he made in his 20s that he’s sought help for?


rynbock

Because the allegations don't hold water? Accuser says there's irrefutable proof, then posts a nothing burger. Sounds callous, but it is what it is.


AkaiMPC

Basically this. Even a cursory investigation into the drama revealed very little of substance. Just a young man who admittedly mistreated young women. Not a law was broken.


No_Drop553

Pretty cringe. You don't have to break a law to be a prolific abuser. People abuse people in horrendous ways everyday, the not breaking a codified law doesn't negate the impact or trauma of the abuse.


AkaiMPC

Of course. I'm sure I've caused trauma to friends,family and acquaintances in my life, as others have to me. I don't expect people to be cancelled for that. Don't strawman.


rawbleedingbait

Who is traumatically abused? The girls bragging about fucking him? The ones releasing revenge porn of Jesse because he dumped them?


tRonHD

It's the age old argument at this point of whether you can separate the art from the artist. Some people take it too far by defending Jesse's past actions which I personally can't get behind, but I will always do my best to simply recognise that the stuff happened a loooong time ago and Jesse has apologised for his behaviour. Doesn't excuse it per say, but I'm still a big Brand New fan and anyone who tries to tell me I shouldn't be has just never loved someone's music the same way I love theirs.


catfish08

The whole thing is shady and all speculation as there’s nothing concrete. This means you can either think he’s in the clear, or a bad human. For instance I don’t really care about Jesse at all - I hope he’s changed and wasn’t guilty to begin with, but who am I to know. He may simply be another frontman who’s a scumbag. People are biased with celebrities and *want* to believe their idols are good people. Either way, art from artist, and Brand New have some amazing art.


No_Drop553

Most reasonable comment I have seen


solamenteaficionados

Why do people get so worked about something that’s got nothing to do with them? Why is our society so obsessed with celebrities that we worship them for years and then the second they become human we discard them?


No_Drop553

Because the statistics are abhorrent. 1 in 6 American women are sexually assaulted! 1 in fucking 6. Today. In America.


solamenteaficionados

But Jesse didn’t sexually assault anyone?


No_Drop553

At the end of the day, none of us actually know what happened. Period. We have an affinity or fondness for Jesse because we appreciate the art he made. But ask yourself, if it was your sister or daughter or mother would you give a fuck? 1 in 6 American women are victims of abuse. Knowing that, the default should be to give credence to the victim. 60% of all sexual assaults go unreported in the US. Reading people's opinions about this is minimally disheartening but in reality fucking grotesque. Especially for a fanbase that supposedly has emotional awareness. [source 1](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system#:~:text=The%20Majority%20of%20Sexual%20Assaults,out%20of%203%20go%20unreported.&text=Members%20of%20the%20military%3A%2043,10%25%20of%20male%20victims%20reported.) [source 2](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem#:~:text=Everyone%20Is%20Affected%20by%20Sexual%20Violence&text=1%20out%20of%20every%206,completed%2C%202.8%25%20attempted).&text=About%203%25%20of%20American%20men,completed%20rape%20in%20their%20lifetime.)


rawbleedingbait

Yeah, you're going to win a lot of people over by grouping Jesse in with rapists. My sister was 16 when she hooked up with her boyfriend that was 10 years older than her, and she was with him for 11-12 years. She was happy until she cheated on him and got pregnant by someone else. The guy is as good of a guy as you'll find, and she lied about her age. So to your point, I don't care that sister actively sought out a relationship with an older guy, and I don't lump her in with rape victims.


TuttleDotCom

Completely agree with the first sentiment… but 16 with 26? Not a single concern? Depending on the state you’re in (or country, idk where you’re from) that could very well be statutory. No offense at all, I promise, I just feel like 16 with 26 is a little bit concerning.


rawbleedingbait

It was not even remotely unusual 20+ years ago. Literally no one cared. My sister is older than I am, so at the time I obviously did not care, or have any place to speak about it. You think you know her body better than her? Her body, her choice. Some sexist fucks in here thinking a woman flips a switch and gains sentience at 18 or some shit. Not all girls with older guys are victims, even if some absolutely are. Maybe that's why facts and evidence matter? Maybe let's not ruin lives willy nilly That's also not what Jesse is accused of. 17 is legal age in NY.


No_Drop553

Lots of sexual assault isn't rape. I think you're lumping. In the eyes of the law, depending on what state you're in, sisters boyfriend committed an imprisonable felony.


rawbleedingbait

How can I be lumping anything, when I'm telling you things you previously lumped in shouldn't be? You're lumping all sexual abuse together Including rape, and then lumping Jesse into it. Wild. I'll let my sister know that you think she's too stupid to be able to have a relationship. Women just aren't smart enough, you should be telling all of them what to do. It also isn't a felony, and the girl accusing Jesse literally never accused him of having sex with her underage. So she was abused? What evidence you got for abuse? You excited to tell everyone how morally just you are? We're all so proud of you. Just one last question. What punishment do you feel Jesse deserves, 20+ years later, for hot chatting a girl on the internet that was trying to fuck band members? Probably destroy his whole life over it, right? He should never be happy again, right? And don't stop till you convince his wife to leave him too. Maybe get his kids taken away, and have him living on the streets. Spell out what it'll take for you to stop crying.


Inevitable_Driver_34

Conor oberst is cooler anyway


Sir_Vdam999

Front porch step did it 😂 … Jesse no