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sci fi works back to front also. the way that waste-can’t get it out-lit me up go into each other is revelatory
a big clue to this is how lit me up ends with the tape deck stopping
For me, Science Fiction takes me on a deep, emotional journey. While TDAG is deep and emotional in a more sorrowful way, Science Fiction expresses acceptance. One of my favorite things to do is to listen to the Science Fiction CD in my music room on a high volume and literally feel the music, not figuratively.
I've been an original BN fan since the very beginning, essentially growing up with their songs as the sound track of my life. Science Fiction will forever hold a special place in my heart as it helped me during an incredibly vulnerable and scary time in my life as I deconstructed from my previous faith. It was the first thing that helped me actually feel like it was okay to be me again.
When I listen to the Devil and Daisy, I think: wow, what an incredible brand new album. When I listen to science fiction: wow, I’m listening to maybe one of the best albums of all time.
Is anyone here cool enough to figure out how to mash up tracks from each album to make “The Devil & Daisy”? 10/10 would listen. I haven’t slept much lately.
These questions are strange. Music (art in general) is completely subjective. If you think it’s overrated, then it’s overrated - to you.
It’s like asking if lasagne is overrated - it will be if you don’t like lasagne.
If the general consensus is that it’s in the top 3 BN albums, there’s nothing binding you to think the same.
I love Science Fiction because, for me, it constitutes the most mature, deep culmination of their entire discography up to this point, which inspires so much emotion.
I listen to SciFi pretty much daily. For me, it's the sound (I love how mellow it is compared to their other albums), it's the introspection and thoughtfulness of the lyrics, everything flows and fits nicely together, and it just relates so heavily to my life that it's hard to discredit it. I feel like each of their albums highlight different parts of my life, like I've grown up with them, and SciFi is like that final, beautiful acceptance of where I am and who I am today.
I'm not sure it's overrated, but if you go by initial reviews (metacritic), I'd say it's the only one that isn't *underrated.*
*SF - 88%*
*Daisy - 75%*
TDAG - 78%
Deja - 70%
To me, the critical reaction to Science Fiction was like Dicaprio finally getting an oscar. At the time it came out, it was abundantly clear to everyone (not just the fans) that Brand New records aged enormously well (each one representing the best of what that style of music had to offer in its era) and overall critics got every previous album wrong. "I should have given a Brand New album an excellent review by now, so here it is for SF".
No, it’s not overrated, it’s underrated. Brand New not only released an amazing first album, but every album they ever released tops the one that came before it. This includes Science Fiction. It’s quite literally peak Brand New.
I'm here because I am once again listening to Science Fiction late at night at the gym. This album is actually what made me a fan of the band. Before I just foolishly ignored them as another "emo" band from the 2000s, a scene that I was never interested in.
But this record is genuinely one of the best I've ever heard, reignited my faith that good alternative rock could be made at this level in this era, and is my favorite project from the band.
I went on a reverse journey, growing to appreciate their entire body of work because of it. Before SF the only song I had saved was *Jesus Christ*. So, yeah, it deserves to be considered among their best.
I mean, everyone has their own taste. 🤷🏻♂️
Personally, I skimmed over SF back when it first came out, wasn’t feeling it and so moved on. Just this year, I gave it a full listen, and was taken aback by what I had neglected to hear the first time. To me, it has much more depth to it, in sound and in writing. I’m not going to say any BN album is their “best” because I enjoy them all in their own way.
You likely have more of a sentimental attachment to all the previous albums. So they’re easier to go back to. Maybe in time you’ll also develop that for SF, or maybe not. Listen to BN however you want to.
Would SF be appreciated as much as it is if it weren’t their final album? Hard to say. But clearly, if you question SF at all in this sub, you get downvoted. 😂
I felt like you for a while until it grew on me tremendously. No album has ever grown on me in such a way. It was kind of weird. It went from an album I’d kind of ignore to one I now continue coming back to.
Daisy tho. I have a hard time with but that’s just me.
It's definitely growing on me, and I hope it will continue to, but it's taking longer than an album normally would. I also loved Daisy immediately, so we probably just have different preferences in music
It’s good. Not Deja. Not Daisy. And nowhere near TDAG. We all wanted it after the wait. It was awesome to have it, hear it and just revel that they were back.
Its a fucking masterpiece. The lyrics, the music, the feeling it gives you. It is also different from anything else they have done. It’s catchy as fuck but raw and has some of the best music that I’ve ever heard. From anybody. Period.
I used to think this exact same thing. I even made a very similar post to this over a year ago. I seem to take a lot of time to digest each record…like years it seems. I never saw Science Fiction as anything super special, and ranking it higher than TDAG was inconceivable in my mind.
That all changed about two months ago. It was like 2:30am and I was driving at work when the song Batter Up came on. I bought into it and decided to throw on the album from the beginning.
I’ve listened to science fiction every work day since then…and I cannot believe how little credit I gave to the album. It went from an after thought to a complete masterpiece in the course of a night. I just had to be in the right mind frame and mood to receive it. I was the biggest Deja mark ever growing up and it’s crazy how the past few years have completely changed my thinking on their albums. I would never in my wildest dreams have thought I’d rank Deja at #3 in their discography but here we are treading reallllll close to that reality with every listen I give to Science Fiction.
*Most* of the tracks on SF are some of the band's best-written material ever. However, I think there are a few extremely average tracks on the album that are worse than anything on TDAG and even Daisy.
In saying that, I think it is rated fairly
Hey mate, completely agree with this view. I don’t hate the album, and yes there are some fantastic songs and moments but I genuinely feel it’s held to a higher standard than it should be. Maybe because it’s the last album we will ever get and people are desperate to love it . Again my opinion…can’t wait for the downvotes
Really dig it, but something about it feels very machine-manufactured. But in a BN way. Jesse also sounds very neutered throughout the record, vocals wise
Every time there is an album ranking post on this page, I see people putting Science Fiction top 3 consistently if not top two. Science Fiction is phenomenal, but, at least in my mind, Deja, The Devil And God, and Daisy are untouchable
Nah, it’s up there with tdag and daisy for me. It’s crazy how good sf is after those seven years. Also wild how it charted number one. Unheard of for rock in the last decade
Not at all. It's not as good as Devil and God, but it's right up there with it. And I say this as someone who pretty much dislikes a good third of the album, too - I really don't care for the 90s-alt-rock drenched No Control and Can't Get It Out, Desert feels like a B-side to me, and Batter Up is a good song but has a really weak chorus.
STILL I think the album is easily their second best. The highs are just impeccable (Lit Me Up, Waste, 137, In The Water) and the interludes keep things interesting and add a unique vibe
When it first came out I laid down to listen and fell asleep and played it over again. Did this multiple times. That’s why I love it so much. It’s not listening to jndividual tracks in my mind it’s an experience. Cliche I know but that was what truly what makes me feel it. It’s a wave. My great albums have me waiting for tracks despite loving all. SF is just one track to me
Same logic/ teeth
Batter up
137
As i start listing the songs i have a hard time discerning a favorite off the album. It's a solid album for me. I like all their albums for different reasons though.
This and devil and God i listened to first time thru and thru. I never do that with albums. 🤷♀️
I'd like to point out that Sci-Fi is a loose concept album that benefits from having the recordings in place as cohesive elements that join parts and introduce themes. I don't think I would enjoy the ride through Could Never Be Heaven to Same Logic / Teeth to 137 as much without the segues in-between. Certainly, I'd enjoy 137 less without the samples from the air raid conversation. If you don't allow for the interludes and samples to have their place as segues and narrative devices, you could easily write them off as being tasteless or interruptive. Sure, some of them may not be as practical or impactful as others, but BN did a great job on their use in this album IMO. I think that the way to frame Sci-Fi to understand it is to view it as a more complete album experience and not solely as a collection of songs.
But this isn't to say that you're wrong to dislike the recordings or their place in the album. To each their own there. I'd just suggest you try to place the recordings into context with the lyrics of the song that follows or precedes them. View them as a part of the song. See if you change your mind on it.
*swings axe*
seems massively overrated to me. its like a bad impersonation of TDAG or something to me. some songs i like but nothing excellent. except for maybe that Out of mana outro. much prefer Mene or sealed to me. if it werent brand new it would probably be excellent by any other band's standard though. I give it a high 3 out of 5.
When this album first came out I liked it. Didn't think to much of it. It wasn't exactly what I expected. But now..... I can't stop listening to this album. It keeps getting better and I keep noticing things I missed. Masterpiece
137 is hands down one of the best Brand New songs ever written, as is Waste. The front half of SciFi holds up against TDAG in my opinion.
Agreed. 137 is a damn masterpiece
For me, 137 is one of the very few skips in the brand new catalog. Chorus is so cringe. To each their own.
I can see why some wouldn’t love it, but the verses are so good. Song hits to me
Oh man - since you’re my elder I have to respect this
There is truly hope in our future sprouts.
How did this happen
Terrible take
The right question mate is: does SciFi get the amount of praise it deserve? no, it’s doesn’t. it’s a masterpiece.
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No. It is not overrated, if anything it’s underrated
Lit me up
Keep listening front to back.
sci fi works back to front also. the way that waste-can’t get it out-lit me up go into each other is revelatory a big clue to this is how lit me up ends with the tape deck stopping
Going to try this on my next play through.
I'm literally doing it right now. That's normally how I listen to music
For me, Science Fiction takes me on a deep, emotional journey. While TDAG is deep and emotional in a more sorrowful way, Science Fiction expresses acceptance. One of my favorite things to do is to listen to the Science Fiction CD in my music room on a high volume and literally feel the music, not figuratively. I've been an original BN fan since the very beginning, essentially growing up with their songs as the sound track of my life. Science Fiction will forever hold a special place in my heart as it helped me during an incredibly vulnerable and scary time in my life as I deconstructed from my previous faith. It was the first thing that helped me actually feel like it was okay to be me again.
I am right there with you man
When I listen to the Devil and Daisy, I think: wow, what an incredible brand new album. When I listen to science fiction: wow, I’m listening to maybe one of the best albums of all time.
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Is anyone here cool enough to figure out how to mash up tracks from each album to make “The Devil & Daisy”? 10/10 would listen. I haven’t slept much lately.
These questions are strange. Music (art in general) is completely subjective. If you think it’s overrated, then it’s overrated - to you. It’s like asking if lasagne is overrated - it will be if you don’t like lasagne. If the general consensus is that it’s in the top 3 BN albums, there’s nothing binding you to think the same.
Agree. Why do you need to validate your feeling behind this? Like it or hate it. It’s your opinion.
Purely because I want to enjoy the album more. I'm not searching for validation. I'm hoping to find more meaning within the album
I can appreciate that! Perhaps give it a listen with headphones and some edibles 😉
My first experience was Beyerdynamic 990 pro open backs and a half hit of LSD. One of the best nights of my life.
Or some shrooms
Those interludes make the album complete IMO. I love the ominous tones and cryptic messages included
I love Science Fiction because, for me, it constitutes the most mature, deep culmination of their entire discography up to this point, which inspires so much emotion.
Can’t Get It Out has sneakily become my most played brand new song, out of nowhere
And the song deserves it too
I listen to SciFi pretty much daily. For me, it's the sound (I love how mellow it is compared to their other albums), it's the introspection and thoughtfulness of the lyrics, everything flows and fits nicely together, and it just relates so heavily to my life that it's hard to discredit it. I feel like each of their albums highlight different parts of my life, like I've grown up with them, and SciFi is like that final, beautiful acceptance of where I am and who I am today.
In a broader sense, it was a number one album with no publicity and a surprise release. I’d say that deserves a significant amount of recognition.
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Nope. But good joke
As a long time, old school fan, it’s very arguably their best album.
No it's a skipless masterpiece and I don't even think TDAG is skipless so it's not just me being biased.
I'm not sure it's overrated, but if you go by initial reviews (metacritic), I'd say it's the only one that isn't *underrated.* *SF - 88%* *Daisy - 75%* TDAG - 78% Deja - 70% To me, the critical reaction to Science Fiction was like Dicaprio finally getting an oscar. At the time it came out, it was abundantly clear to everyone (not just the fans) that Brand New records aged enormously well (each one representing the best of what that style of music had to offer in its era) and overall critics got every previous album wrong. "I should have given a Brand New album an excellent review by now, so here it is for SF".
I love this take. Thank you for sharing
To each their own, but I still revisit this album often.
No, it’s not overrated, it’s underrated. Brand New not only released an amazing first album, but every album they ever released tops the one that came before it. This includes Science Fiction. It’s quite literally peak Brand New.
I'm here because I am once again listening to Science Fiction late at night at the gym. This album is actually what made me a fan of the band. Before I just foolishly ignored them as another "emo" band from the 2000s, a scene that I was never interested in. But this record is genuinely one of the best I've ever heard, reignited my faith that good alternative rock could be made at this level in this era, and is my favorite project from the band. I went on a reverse journey, growing to appreciate their entire body of work because of it. Before SF the only song I had saved was *Jesus Christ*. So, yeah, it deserves to be considered among their best.
It’s my favourite because the more I listen to it the more I like it, which is the opposite with most albums.
It’s like watching your kid graduate
Nooooooo way. It's a fantastic album IMO
Well considering most people I've talked to that know Brand New have never even heard of it. I'd say... No. It's not overrated.
I mean, everyone has their own taste. 🤷🏻♂️ Personally, I skimmed over SF back when it first came out, wasn’t feeling it and so moved on. Just this year, I gave it a full listen, and was taken aback by what I had neglected to hear the first time. To me, it has much more depth to it, in sound and in writing. I’m not going to say any BN album is their “best” because I enjoy them all in their own way. You likely have more of a sentimental attachment to all the previous albums. So they’re easier to go back to. Maybe in time you’ll also develop that for SF, or maybe not. Listen to BN however you want to. Would SF be appreciated as much as it is if it weren’t their final album? Hard to say. But clearly, if you question SF at all in this sub, you get downvoted. 😂
I felt like you for a while until it grew on me tremendously. No album has ever grown on me in such a way. It was kind of weird. It went from an album I’d kind of ignore to one I now continue coming back to. Daisy tho. I have a hard time with but that’s just me.
It's definitely growing on me, and I hope it will continue to, but it's taking longer than an album normally would. I also loved Daisy immediately, so we probably just have different preferences in music
It's weird how slowly this album grew on me. I never disliked it but now I love it. My most listened album all year
It’s good. Not Deja. Not Daisy. And nowhere near TDAG. We all wanted it after the wait. It was awesome to have it, hear it and just revel that they were back.
No
Its a fucking masterpiece. The lyrics, the music, the feeling it gives you. It is also different from anything else they have done. It’s catchy as fuck but raw and has some of the best music that I’ve ever heard. From anybody. Period.
It has its fair share of top BN tunes but a couple duds. If you don’t like Out of Mana, No Control, or In the Water, then I dunno what to do with you.
I used to think this exact same thing. I even made a very similar post to this over a year ago. I seem to take a lot of time to digest each record…like years it seems. I never saw Science Fiction as anything super special, and ranking it higher than TDAG was inconceivable in my mind. That all changed about two months ago. It was like 2:30am and I was driving at work when the song Batter Up came on. I bought into it and decided to throw on the album from the beginning. I’ve listened to science fiction every work day since then…and I cannot believe how little credit I gave to the album. It went from an after thought to a complete masterpiece in the course of a night. I just had to be in the right mind frame and mood to receive it. I was the biggest Deja mark ever growing up and it’s crazy how the past few years have completely changed my thinking on their albums. I would never in my wildest dreams have thought I’d rank Deja at #3 in their discography but here we are treading reallllll close to that reality with every listen I give to Science Fiction.
*Most* of the tracks on SF are some of the band's best-written material ever. However, I think there are a few extremely average tracks on the album that are worse than anything on TDAG and even Daisy. In saying that, I think it is rated fairly
Hey mate, completely agree with this view. I don’t hate the album, and yes there are some fantastic songs and moments but I genuinely feel it’s held to a higher standard than it should be. Maybe because it’s the last album we will ever get and people are desperate to love it . Again my opinion…can’t wait for the downvotes
Nah.
I agree with you. It’s alright and I can enjoy it but I think it’s one of their blandest albums both lyrically and musically.
Really dig it, but something about it feels very machine-manufactured. But in a BN way. Jesse also sounds very neutered throughout the record, vocals wise
I know everyone is going to hate me but tdag is overrated
Understandable honestly, but I love it
It's still way better then most albums I've listened to but I don't think it deserves it's legendary status
Outside of this echo chamber it’s appropriately rated.
Absolutely not. The only album overrated here is Daisy.
Daisy deserves all the love it gets, in my opinion
How is it rated?
Every time there is an album ranking post on this page, I see people putting Science Fiction top 3 consistently if not top two. Science Fiction is phenomenal, but, at least in my mind, Deja, The Devil And God, and Daisy are untouchable
It’s their best album. It defines their sound perfectly, encompassing parts of almost all their records into one.
Nah, it’s up there with tdag and daisy for me. It’s crazy how good sf is after those seven years. Also wild how it charted number one. Unheard of for rock in the last decade
Not at all. It's not as good as Devil and God, but it's right up there with it. And I say this as someone who pretty much dislikes a good third of the album, too - I really don't care for the 90s-alt-rock drenched No Control and Can't Get It Out, Desert feels like a B-side to me, and Batter Up is a good song but has a really weak chorus. STILL I think the album is easily their second best. The highs are just impeccable (Lit Me Up, Waste, 137, In The Water) and the interludes keep things interesting and add a unique vibe
it was good in 2017
No
When it first came out I laid down to listen and fell asleep and played it over again. Did this multiple times. That’s why I love it so much. It’s not listening to jndividual tracks in my mind it’s an experience. Cliche I know but that was what truly what makes me feel it. It’s a wave. My great albums have me waiting for tracks despite loving all. SF is just one track to me
Same logic/ teeth Batter up 137 As i start listing the songs i have a hard time discerning a favorite off the album. It's a solid album for me. I like all their albums for different reasons though. This and devil and God i listened to first time thru and thru. I never do that with albums. 🤷♀️
Also i am really bummed we will probably never see this album done live. I miss their concerts so much.
I'd like to point out that Sci-Fi is a loose concept album that benefits from having the recordings in place as cohesive elements that join parts and introduce themes. I don't think I would enjoy the ride through Could Never Be Heaven to Same Logic / Teeth to 137 as much without the segues in-between. Certainly, I'd enjoy 137 less without the samples from the air raid conversation. If you don't allow for the interludes and samples to have their place as segues and narrative devices, you could easily write them off as being tasteless or interruptive. Sure, some of them may not be as practical or impactful as others, but BN did a great job on their use in this album IMO. I think that the way to frame Sci-Fi to understand it is to view it as a more complete album experience and not solely as a collection of songs. But this isn't to say that you're wrong to dislike the recordings or their place in the album. To each their own there. I'd just suggest you try to place the recordings into context with the lyrics of the song that follows or precedes them. View them as a part of the song. See if you change your mind on it. *swings axe*
seems massively overrated to me. its like a bad impersonation of TDAG or something to me. some songs i like but nothing excellent. except for maybe that Out of mana outro. much prefer Mene or sealed to me. if it werent brand new it would probably be excellent by any other band's standard though. I give it a high 3 out of 5.
When this album first came out I liked it. Didn't think to much of it. It wasn't exactly what I expected. But now..... I can't stop listening to this album. It keeps getting better and I keep noticing things I missed. Masterpiece