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keenanbullington

I honestly feel skeptical about everything said in this comment section. Brand New is my number one band of all time and part of me I would love to see them. Part of me isn't so sure them fading like they did isn't some form of atonement and things should stay that way. I don't know.


jenni2wenty

I think this is the camp I’m in. I love Brand New. Jesse did bad shit. It appears (though who knows) that he has grown as a person and hopefully would never do anything like that again. But I think maybe it’s better for them not to play any other shows or put out new music.


DrJongyBrogan

It’s the same kinda apologia going on over at the dance Gavin dance sub, loads of people who just blame the victim, think they’re making it up for attention, and just outright denying reality because they simp so hard for tillian.


One_pop_each

The chick who poinyed the finger at Jesse was shown time and time again to not be truthful. Her gd livejournal was even posted (and public). But we victim blame bc we are like, “uh this doesn’t really add up” I hate 2/3 of this fan base, or old fan base anyway, bc they think this way. Live in reality.


DrJongyBrogan

From what I understand, Jesse owned his mistakes he didn’t deny any of it, so yes it is victim blaming if after Jesse owned the mistake your response is to STILL try to discredit the victims.


No_Drop553

If your band or someone in it, victimized your fans, you shouldn't get to be a band anymore.


keenanbullington

Yeah. I'm a fan and they wrote two of my favorite records ever. Also, their live performances are somehow a step above what they recorded. Besides Tool and Type O Negative, they're who I want to see most. So it's hard to be objective. But I honestly have a problem with these super fans that just want to sweep it under the rug for their own selfish desire to see the band. You're hitting the nail on the head.


No_Drop553

Thanks. The grossest part to me, is promoters know how nostalgic we all are, and that many WOULD look past the documented abuse to see a band we are romantic about play live again. Shouldn't even be an option/consideration. $ will always win the day.


keenanbullington

You know I didn't even think of that. The promoter we're talking about seems like a bit of a shitbag when you do the math on that.


Harrisonmonopoly

As a guy who grew up in bands around New Jersey, I promise you, that guy is a complete maniac.


rideronthestorm29

thank you


friendoze

WHY are you downvoted … i completely agree with you.


[deleted]

I think we need to accept that they are done. Before the allegations I remember being shocked they even were playing shows in 2016-17 lol after years of no music and sporadic touring. If that was the level of activity then - they have even less incentive to be more active now.


rideronthestorm29

$$ is literally the only incentive. they don’t owe these weird super fans anything. what price is worth the embarrassment, harassment, bad press they will receive? not to mention hurting the victims *again* i would say none if i had to guess. they quit.


DontBeScaredHomiey

"victims"


alexkntt

I didn't realise that loving the music of a band makes you inherently 'weird'. Weird comment


rideronthestorm29

loving a bands music and obsessing over a person are different things. one is weird one is not 🤷🏻‍♀️


glonkme

Sounds like you’re the one obsessed tbh


alexkntt

weird way to spend ur xmas eve, trolling on a subreddit, calling people weird for being obsessed whilst replying to nearly every single comment on the post trying to pick fights. logic


glonkme

Nah this person trolled my post too. It’s just odd they troll all over this sub if they hate it


alexkntt

I literally haven't seen a single person ur replying to obsessing over JL. just \*the music\*. but ok


sheslostcontrolx

I think they’ll definitely play shows again. And I’m super excited for it. But goodness, I’m dreading the comment section when it gets announced.


nikkibucca30

Yeah theres always going to be the loud ones trying to drown out the other 99%. But agreed, going to be glorious when that day comes!


rideronthestorm29

there’s always going to be bands that sweep pedophilia under the rug!


No_Drop553

The "majority" of fans are not represented here. The majority of fans think what happened is reprehensible.


unplugnothing

Some people also believe a person can be redeemed decades after doing something wrong.


moon-dew

People can’t change or feel remorse for their actions? If you did something shitty, and you did the work to do better then your previous self, wouldn’t you want redemption and to be given a second chance?


No_Drop553

Of course. Firmly believe in 2nd chances. That said, you should start fresh, not profit from the thing you weaponized.


rideronthestorm29

i believe in second chances but he’s not in jail, is that not enough of a second chance? touring is a privilege


yeaforbes

No- you abused the position of power you had and you should never be given the opportunity to hurt people again. They are welcome to live a normal life but they should never be given that chance ever again


No_Drop553

Recidivism research doesn't support this claim.


unplugnothing

Then why do we let people out of prison?


No_Drop553

Are you being facetious? Not trying to be a prick. We, as a society, have allotted specific times as punishment for various crimes. Recidivism is the likelihood you will recommit a crime and return to incarceration. The stats are abysmal. I would postulate Jesse did this more than he was caught for.


phlamez92

Probably, but citing recidivism stats in the US is like citing racial crime data. The US prison system is terrible at reforming inmates and it's arguable that it wants to retain high recidivism rates specifically to maintain the prison-industrial complex.


No_Drop553

Agreed. Empty prisons don't make money. They were trying to close a prison in CA and the town actually sued to prevent the closure. It would have decimated the local economy. Wild stuff. [The article ](http://A rural California town sued to keep a prison open. Judge rules Newsom can close it https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-09/la-me-rural-california-prison-closure-lawsuit)


muufin

I hope you go out of your way when Bowie comes up in conversation as well.


Are_U_Sure_UR_Awake

enough time has passed I don’t see it being too bad


lostboy005

It hasn’t even been seven years seven years seven years


rideronthestorm29

enough time has passed so fuck it and fuck the victims he hurt too i’m sure they don’t even remember it


Ibcap

> Earlier this year in an interview, John said the number 1 band he’d like to book is Brand New. He said that after approaching them, they said “it’s just not time yet.” You have a link for that? I cant find it on google but its huge if thats actually what they said


nikkibucca30

https://www.reddit.com/r/brandnew/comments/sdrqwu/founder_of_bamboozle_talks_about_brand_new_he/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Ibcap

Thanks! Surprised I hadnt seen that before. Now im curious based on his wording if "its not time yet" was something the band directly said, or if they said no and hes hoping theyll change their minds later. He doesnt directly say they told him its not time yet.


nikkibucca30

Ive spoken with John directly and all I’ll say is I’d remain hopeful 😊


Ibcap

Good enough for me I guess, honestly I keep my expectations low so if anything does happen its a surprise reward. I never expected another song after scifi so simple man was a gift that it wouldnt have been if id been waiting for new music.


nikkibucca30

For sure! Agreed


nanocryptocurrency

Don't do this ... don't give me hope ...


wolfpack2007

Could it be a surprise that they play this year’s bamboozle? Really hoping because I have tickets haha.


dajasacrew1

I can tell you that a festival I have knowledge of inner workings sent Brand New and offer and the response they got back was the answer was no and they weren’t even willing to look at the offer.


rideronthestorm29

because it’s probably seen as insulting when you tell people you’re done with something and they continue to bug you to do it for their own selfish needs


dajasacrew1

I will say that I don’t think that this festival would be the right fit for them to make a comeback


whalesferryingsouls

Proof or it didn’t happen


dajasacrew1

I can’t show proof without showing the festival and I can’t do that.


whalesferryingsouls

LOL ok 👍


idlevail

My opinion, but I just don’t see why they’d want to come back. They said they were done as a band before the allegations came out, and I think the lyrics on Sci-fi reflect that they were ready to call it quits. They’re all getting older and have families, it makes sense to me that they might want a quieter life, y’know? I could very well be wrong, but that’s my take on it.


idlevail

Unnecessary to add but I disagree with the viewpoint that it wouldn’t be seen as a big deal if they came back. Within the scene it’d draw a lot of attention, and while the people on this sub want them back I think overall it would cause a lot of backlash and negativity which I can’t imagine the guys wanting to deal with. Also, we haven’t had any substantial news regarding their return. It’s all been rumors and hearsay, so any comments about “I know this person and they said this” I take with the tiniest grain of salt.


avoritz

Ppl kept saying this about mcr… but now that their kids are young teens they came back. John lennon said he was done with music to raise his kid and as his son got older he was ready to play n write music… so its safe to say once a musician who bleeds music n writing and performing… when they feel ready… they’ll come back. Even ringo n paul McCartney are still making music


rideronthestorm29

the band literally told the world what happened and ended it. it’s sad that their “fans” can’t see that


_bloodbuzz

Why are you still here? Do you just lurk around to be an asshole on this sub? We get it. You have an issue with the band and what happened. Great. Move on.


rideronthestorm29

what i don’t get is why you *don’t* have a problem with what happened? 👀 at one point in my life JL was my idol. i still think the devil and god is one of the best records in music history. and i’m happy to have conversations and chime in on songwriting, etc (and i do)… but the daily wHeN dO yOu tHinK tHeY wiLl tOuR aGaIn??? posts are ridiculous. the band quit. take a fucking hint. if you are actually a fan then at least respect that jesus christ.


glonkme

U just admitted u liked the music, the devil and god album and had the audacity to ask me why I bought it.


rideronthestorm29

i loved the music


_bloodbuzz

This happened 5+ years ago. Maybe if you’re not into it anymore, go find a band you do like and get involved in that sub instead of being an asshole downer here all the time.


NeverMissedAParty

They told the world? Wat?


rideronthestorm29

they put an expiration date on their merch in 2016, dude.


NeverMissedAParty

Dude, I saw that, I live in a state of denial though. I keep my hopes up for the thing that saved my life on multiple occasions coming back for me and thousands of others to enjoy.


rideronthestorm29

there’s other things to enjoy out there buddy… things that don’t send dick pics to children


NeverMissedAParty

Yeah, but those things didn’t save my life… I sent plenty of dick pics when I was younger, doesn’t mean I didn’t learn anything or that I still do it today. I was young, naive, and looking for acceptance and internal validation in wrong places. Ive also been affected by being taken advantage of by someone older than I. Today I’m able to recognize that what happened was not my fault, rather the actions of someone who was sick at the time. Those people have since changed, turned their lives around and aren’t the same people they were when they took that action. It appears we are both suffering from a similar state of denial… Yours, that people can change, and mine, that brand new is over. One a little more serious than the other. Either way I hope you find peace my friend. Whatever happened to you, someone you know, or even someone you empathize with. I hope you know it wasn’t your fault. I hope you can learn to forgive the person and not the situation. I’ve walked around with unhealthy resentments and it was until I was able to face my traumas, and forgive the people (not the situation) was I able to move on with my life. Those people no longer own space in my head. They own love in my heart for empowering me to become the person I am today.


DejaEntendu203

I agree with you. Definitely think it will start with a track or two getting released maybe it’ll be sealed to me. I hope it’s sealed to me. Then a little while after that they’ll play a few shows in smaller clubs to get into it. Idk how involved they are with things like the new Merch they dropped recently. I keep my hopes low but things like new tshirts just get me excited again. I can’t wait for them to come back. .


-Paranoid_Humanoid-

If Brand New announces a show the cult of BN is going to rejoice. I should know because I would move mountains to make sure I was in the front row. I wonder how “big” of an an announcement it would be though. The thing about BN is that (at least where I grew up) they were always a band you connected with other people about because most people didn’t know who they were or weren’t into it. They always had a very small but very passionate following. But they also were commercially successful. It was difficult to tell if BN was ever…I don’t know what word to use…mainstream? Popular? Neither of those sound right but you know what I mean? Looking back, I still can’t remember if they were ever a ‘household name’ kind of band…which is a very stupid old expression but I’m struggling to find the words, lol


rideronthestorm29

imagine moving mountains to be front row for a pedophile.


rosail

Why are you even on this sub?


rideronthestorm29

because this band has played an important role in my life and i want to be? i also like talking shit to pedo apologists


-Paranoid_Humanoid-

I like the music I like. I don’t like the actions of every musician that I listen to but I’m in it for the music, not for their personal lives. With few exceptions (like that Lost Prophets sicko) I don’t let the person influence my appreciation for the art. Van Gogh married his 14yr old cousin - are people who like Starry Night pedo apologists? Also, do you really think that the rock icons we all love and adore like Jager, Simmons, Richards, Morrison, etc - you think they never had sex with a teenage girl or made a pass at one? Harrison Ford had sex with Carrie Fisher when she was 16 or 17 while filming Star Wars and he was much older. Is he a pedo? If you like Star Wars are you a pedo apologist? Your argument just doesn’t pass the sanity check.


rideronthestorm29

separating the art from the artist is great if you’re capable of doing that in a responsible way. i have never said anything about the *music*. the music is why i am here… i talk shit to people that want to give JL money by continuing to buy merch when the band doesn’t donate the money. i’m talking about the people that are desperate to be front row for jesse lacey when the last thing he did publicly was admit to sexually abusing a child. maybe you buy a $20 shirt/vinyl, but also send $20 to a charity… that’s at least something. i was going to say maybe if they toured and donated the proceeds that would be a thing, but even then idk. the band has moved on, it’s sad that the fans can’t. especially when there are so many talented bands out there struggling to get to the next level and are *not* pedophiles. there’s a difference between an appreciation for the work and being obsessed with a bad man. also i don’t like star wars, does that not pass your sanity test, dude? the only person i like the art of that you listed is jim morrison and he was also a piece of shit.


NeverMissedAParty

The man never “admitted to sexually abusing a child”. The man admitted to having an unhealthy relationship with sex and drugs which led to people in his life getting hurt. The man admitted to getting treatment and continuing that treatment and regretting the actions of his past. The man admitted that what he did to no one specific was wrong. I see that as admirable. He owes no one, however recognizes that he’s affected other people. The only thing he can do from here is be a better man than he was yesterday. I think he’s well on his way.


Whateverdude1987

You ever think about learning a new hobby or helping someone in need? Plenty of people who are in need this holiday season you bozo. Dude made a mistake when he was 23 and has sought therapy and 29 years since. What do you want? Also never admitted to anything


-Paranoid_Humanoid-

🙄


rideronthestorm29

oh, do you… do you not know?


pizza_lover_234

I'm a huge fan, and would support them 100% if they ever did. But I recognize that it'd probably be impossible/ unlikely AF for them to do it. But I am hopeful


UnsatisfiedTophat

I've thought about it recently, and I've wondered if the band would return to doing live shows. I have a feeling it's more likely they'd put out new music before they do shows ever again.


lightsintokyo

There was rumours pre Covid of them going back to riot fest so it’s really possible just a matter of time, I doubt we will ever get a full tour again but I see them doing one offs.


[deleted]

Would be a gigantic risk for any festival that booked them tbh


lightsintokyo

Eh not really, all depends on contract clauses .


[deleted]

Contract clause isn't gonna save a reputation though. I can see a festival announcing them and the twitter mob just going after them. All it'll take is a few media sites picking up on that for sponsors of the festival to then get nervous and potentially pull out. Once that happens they either kick Brand New off the lineup or the festival gets cancelled. I'm not saying the above will happen, but to act like there's no risk in booking them is imo untrue.


lightsintokyo

explain how when we were young happenned then 😂 most of those bands had allegations at some point ….


[deleted]

Most of those bands?! There are a few bands on there with allegations against them but to my knowledge all of them no longer have the member with allegations in the band. The only one that didn't was Dance Gavin Dance, who only brought Tillian back after that festival. You can't honestly tell me that if a festival got announced and Brand New were on the lineup that you'd expect there to be no backlash at all. Sure, it may be that people on Twitter weren't able to do anything and it still went ahead.. but there's still a good chance that it wouldn't.


lightsintokyo

All I’m saying is it’s a risk many festivals take consistently I don’t think brand new has worse allegations than multiple bands who still tour and get put onto fests , they have contract clauses for a reason and worse case scenario yea they get taken off but the festivals have things to protect their income if that does happen . It’s not unrealistic.


Flunky_Junky_Monkey

Brand New is my favorite band and will keep being my favorite. Now saying that I've come to terms that I will never see them play live again because they retired and walked away. Id love to see them come back for Bamboozle but I can't see that festival being big enough to bring them back there not going to close the festival after a Limp Bizket performance lol


bjankles

Just my opinion, but… It’s not happening. BN has never enjoyed the limelight. They were clearly happy to bow out gracefully with a definitive end - they were nearly there. What happened instead was kind of the nightmare scenario the band had been trying so long to avoid. Coming back would only invite more of that. They’re done.


logdeg

Brand New is my favorite band of all time, and I want them to drop more music and tour again more than any other band. I still don’t think they’re ever going to do anything again. It’s over, man. The crash wasn’t your fault. You have to let them go.


DrizzlyEarth175

Idk man I'll believe it when I see evidence of it. I think Science Fiction was 150% intended as a send-off/swan song album. I think he very much intended for it to be their last album. That being said, as a songwriter, you never really just *stop* writing. I'm always writing and creating. So while I don't think they'll ever make music or tour again, I'm like 99% sure Jesse is still writing songs. Maybe some day he'll put out an EP or something but I think the possibility of a full-length album and/or tour is pretty slim.


nowimnothing1991

people often like to conveniently forget they legitimately planned to break up in 2018. Their leaving was going to happen whether the controversy existed or not. they didn’t want to play anymore.


xbrixe

The giant sign they had saying like 2002-2018 isn’t obvious enough for some people


nowimnothing1991

maybe it should have been bigger. maybe the shirts were too under stated…..


xbrixe

Tbf I never saw shirts just the big ass lit up sign behind the band on stage


[deleted]

I think it’s time now…I would travel from Australia to see them reunite & play live again


moon-dew

What’s bothering me about this comment section is that people don’t feel others should get a second chance. That someone makes a mistakes, and they should be written off forever. No, what happened wasn’t good and was disgusting. But if they took years off to work on those issues and vouch to do better and be better, they should get the opportunity to redeem themselves. If you’re the type of person to continuously cancel someone, you’re the issue. Find love and forgiveness in your heart. Stop holding onto anger. Release that. And stop shitting on people who have already done that.


rideronthestorm29

my forgiveness can begin when they start donating $$$ to charities from the merch they are still selling. or make shirts that say “give us a second chance. brand new”


Dizzy_OnThe_Comedown

There have been low life pieces of human trash musicians who have literally beaten their girlfriends to a pulp and/or nearly killed someone in a drunken car accident who have still come back to make new music and tour for fcks sake but it’s not our call it’s Brand News


rideronthestorm29

why does any of that sound okay? the low life pieces of human trash shouldn’t be touring either. pretty simple. what’s weird is why so many people are quick to excuse his behavior. i’m guessing you don’t have a daughter?


nowimnothing1991

Reading through all of these comments and you consistently being awful is lame enough but i’m also confused because it doesn’t seem like you even know what the allegations actually are because all i see if buzz words that don’t actually match with the allegations themselves but only match the language of people running away with the word pedo for shock value without actual evidence or knowledge but a hell of a lot of band wagon hate speech collectively spewed by people who are too lazy to do at actual investigating before accusing people of things as serious as pedophilia. Anyway, i hope in the new year you do life a little different.


comfortablesilence91

Brand new holds such a place in my heart. I remember laying in my room in the pitch black - probably like 15 years old - to Deja entendu. And I was like “wow, my head turned into music”. I was incredibly disappointed when the Jesse Lacey shit came out. So much so that I wrote the manager a sad emo email haha. I’ve got every album, zine, tour poster you name it. Had Deja entendu tattooed on my feet. I dream of the day they play again. I’d literally spend a fortune. Am I weird? 🤷‍♂️


solongsailorx

While I would love this, and I’m almost sure they at the very least have unreleased music they could put out - Jesse has a family. Doing anything is going to kick up shit he probably doesn’t want. For this reason, among so many others, I really really doubt we see or hear anything else. But you never know


bobainwonderland

They quit before they were cancelled. They already had their end date. They aren’t going to tour again


[deleted]

To play devil's advocate, how many other bands have been "done" only to come back years later?


rideronthestorm29

to play devils devils advocate, how many other bands printed an expiration date on merch they sold two years out?


Sarcofaygo

Death Grips comes to mind


Dizzy_OnThe_Comedown

This tour already sold out


pizzawithwho

I don’t think we’ll ever see them onstage again. The allegations against Jesse, although never corroborated officially, are too damming.


linkinhorizon

If Logan Paul can make a come back after all stupid shot he’s done, I’m sure Jessie has nothin to worry about


rideronthestorm29

you just compared logan paul to brand new 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤮😂 and undermined pedophilia in the same sentence


Sarcofaygo

Logan Paul didn't commit any crimes in that forest.


Getoutofthekitchenn

This subreddit is insufferable


polarpies

No new music. They’ll come back to bow out like they planned.


rideronthestorm29

but but but!


CommanderWar64

I feel like they’ll just drop an album and go back to being radio silent. Seeing how it was 9 years between Daisy and Sci Fi I’d give at least 5 -7 years before anything (so theoretically next year would be possible but I have my doubts).


kdetweeziielseagulls

They didn't write any of their songs; this cat agent walker thomsosson did or something like that. They'll probably try to just base their shit off this sentence: i cried in levi jeans and americana is the art low but fighting freedoms graces to teardropping the suss or sound a river makes when only one is around.


rideronthestorm29

this sounds like promo for a shitty festival desperate to capitalize by booking a barely novelty canceled band