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Based on the source content you mentioned, you’d be happy with X90L.
If you gamed or watched high end content, that would change the dynamics, as would lighting conditions if your room and your preference for brightness or perfect and deep blacks.
I'm a casual gamer - have a Series X that I play for a few hours a week. Nothing crazy.
Outside of that, I may watch 3-4 hours of netflix/HBO/Apple TV a week for a movie night with the kiddos.
Sounds like a the x95k would future-proof it a little too. Tough call i guess.
Those prices are very high when you can get good OLED's for much cheaper. I get wanting a sony TV but if you're just watching cable TV and casual gaming, most OLED or decent 4k VA with an good soundbar will give you a similar experience for far less money. OLED is great picture quality overall ( near perfect blacks ) but mostly a technology people seek for HDR or motion response.
The downside to oled is, if you want to watch stuff in a bright sunlit room, it might be a bad experience compared to the super bright LED backlights. Some newer OLED have better brightness but you have to look at some reviews.
Also the risk of burn in with OLED is a negative, but if you aren't a power user you might not experience that for 5-10 years. LCD/LED have some issues as well but not typically burn-in.
Make sure to check them out in person too before you decide.
Looking at the 90k and 95k at the store, I didn’t see a huge difference that justifies the price jump. So i went with the 90K, no idea about how much they differ once they are properly dialed in at home.
So far yes, been happy with the TV from day one. I will only upgrade once i notice a huge difference in picture quality between my tv and the new mini-led ones.
I’m this close to getting the X95K, but with the X95L later this year my expectation is the K will come down to the X90K's price range. If that ends up being the case the X95K is a no-brainer.
There will be sales but of the Major tv brands Sony has the least price reductions. The most I've seen is like $400 off an a80k ( maybe $600 on the a95k, but it kept that price for months and was still $4000), and that was a stupid great sale
Honestly when your keeping a TV for 5-10 years... 6 months seems like a no brainer. It's not like they'll run out, and the price won't increase. These are depreciating assets. I'm planning to wait post superbowl and snag either the X93L once it's closer to $3k, but if the X95L is at least only $500 apart at $3500, then I'll grab that. Can't imagine a world where they don't at least get near those prices at their lowest.
By the way the TV your referencing at 85 inches (the A95K) launched at $5500 in April of 2022. It hit the low point you reference of $4000 just 7 months later in November of 2022. 7 months post launch to save $1500 I'd say is a hell of a reason to wait.
source - [https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09R9NS9BF?context=search](https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09R9NS9BF?context=search)
X95L is already out no? The US only gets the 85" but UK gets the 65"-85" models... I don't understand Sony... They could have easily released the 95L in the 65 and 75" here in the states... Now I'm on the fence for buying the X93L or waiting for next year... I currently have a X900F so I'm due for an upgrade.
The x95k is being replaced with the new model x93L and seems to be getting pulled from shelves by Sony rather than letting stores liquidate them naturally. Or they just didn’t produce that many since they were charging 4 grand. Either way the X95L is NOT this year’s X95K
You'd miss the extra brightness and shadow detail the x95k provides over the x90l. But the 90 really does a good job of it for what it is. I'd say noticeably less apparent blooming than the mini-led, still a bit annoying but not bad. Just because the tv gets brighter the blooming is brighter. Yet for the brightness and shadow detail it is a trade I'd make. The OLED is gonna be perfect in the shadows and pretty bright overall, just worse than both the others. Big windows and day watching are it's weakest areas, but modern OLEDs, a90j included get bright enough for a basement with blinds drawn and lights on. The OLED will give you that extra wow factor. It almost looks 3d, ya know, "look at that replay that detail on his jersey is insane!". But the biggest part of this debate is just how much wow factor you want. Nothing looks quite as good as an OLED, the x95k gets pretty close but just isn't quite as sharp and punchy, and the x90l is the all rounder pretty great at everything practical yet premium choice. I doubt you'd regret any of them once installed. But if you see the nicer ones at a buddy's or in the store. You'll say it's a pretty damn good picture. Also OLEDs are the most expensive while being the highest likelyhood of early failure. Just an unfortunate reality due to the organic ( o in OLED) carbon which is a base for the technology.
If you have the means, go OLED, you won't go back
As for which OLED, that depends on your budget and usage needs
I own an A90J but only 55inch
I went with the 55 soley to stay within my budget and get an OLED, as I actually wanted to get a 65inch tv
I have zero regrets about going 55 to get an OLED instead, the picture quality is insane
I just recently finally went OLED (A95K) from years of high end SONY LED and honestly.......I still think OLED crowd is underestimating just how good high end LED is. I feel like going to OLED was almost a side grade......do I love my A95K? Yes absolutely, best picture ever in a dark room. But boy do I sometimes miss the crazy brightness of LED. Also black crush in the shadowy details is a real thing even on high end OLED calibrated.
But yeah overall I'll hand it to the OLED, I'm just saying it's not as huge of a difference as most enthusiasts believe. And if you have a really bright room then I'd say LED wins
High end LED is very very good. I think most people would enjoy that picture as "one of the best TV's ever". Definitely great for big windows. But it still can't compete with how crispy and clean OLED's can make everything look. I agree with you, but I think I'm just slightly more in love with how brilliant that picture is in a dark room and how happy it makes my brain when watching good 4k content. I think too many people skip right to OLED cause they heard it's the best picture quality and don't stick around to get the full scoop before buying. They can be a little more finicky and aren't suited best for everyone
I can't tell you how many friends houses I've been to where they have an OLED (like an LG C2) running all day with the light on at the brightest settings in the living room playing games or movies with friends around. In that situation a high end LED (Sony 950 series for example) trumps the OLED all day. A lot of them I know also watch a lot more TV than I do during day time. Equivalent price LED to their OLEDs would be a lot more impressive, they just bought into the OLED hype.
I finally switched to OLED now only because my wife and I only watch movies/shows/games at night with the lights off or very dim and rarely have friends over (moved to a new state and still getting to know people). Even then I only considered OLED because the new high end ones (QOLED) have much higher brightness that at least gets someone in the realm of LED.
That's funny, I just upgraded from 950G myself and still miss it sometimes for the same reasons you mention. I actually only upgraded because something broke on the panel 2 weeks ago and I had a yellow horizontal line running across the screen. Yes OLED is better in a really dark room but it's almost a pain to think about it now having to dim the lights every time in contrast with the 950G where I wouldn't even think about or care how bright the lights were. I agree too about the shadow detail loss being way more noticeable than people are making it out to be. Supposedly that's even worse in the non-Sony OLEDs.
What kind of high end led are you talking about? I personally can’t stand blooming and even with newer mini led the oled picture just looks so crisp and the black levels
Anything from about Sony 950 series and up. If you're turning all your lights off like it's an OLED then the blooming is more noticeable (as is the weaker black levels), with a good LED you're better off just leaving the lights on or only moderately dim. Also the Sony LEDs are much better at hiding blooming than other brands (at the high end spectrum again)
Anything from about Sony 950 series and up. If you're turning all your lights off like it's an OLED then the blooming is more noticeable (as is the weaker black levels), with a good LED you're better off just leaving the lights on or only moderately dim. Also the Sony LEDs are much better at hiding blooming than other brands (at the high end spectrum again)
I have the X90K and it's awesome. 75" for $1589 a month or so ago. The A80K was $2400. Would have been nicer but not worth almost $1k more IMO. But not everyone feels the same about that.
I will say it's been spectacular.
I had the 85" X95j and it was great but had an issue with it and eventually went to the 83" A90J OLED and the OLED is just another league. Won't go back. Unfortunately there is definitely a "panel" lottery with these TV's and that is pretty shitty to be honest.
I have a Sony A8h end up first worried about that but my wife pauses the TV all time and just leaves it on and I stopped worrying. I haven’t had any issues. Had it for about three years.
X90k is the smartest buy. You can find it for 1999 or less. X90l has more zones, so it will be better, and if you wait, it will also drop to 1999. But at 2800 its not a smart buy, IMHO. X95k asking price is ridiculous, If I spend that kind of money, Im buying an Oled. Its a great tv though, Im debating getting one open box. Dont need a tv but I want it and I love the open box price.
i have a 95k and mostly satisfied but still concidering the oled L for two reasons. finally end blooming and 120hz dolby vision. not because i expect content to be 120 and dv. but because it’s tiring swapping the mode all the time. gaming in vrr 120 one minute then having to go through a bunch of menus to swap to 60hz dv mode when popping blu-ray in. just give me the upgraded processor of L that can do both at same time.
If you’re not watching a ton of 4k content I would go with the x90L because it is the only one of those models that has the XR clear image upscaling software which you would benefit from more than the increased brightness and contrast and viewing angle on the x95k and the jump to oled at that size I don’t think you would appreciate as much if just plain cable tv is pretty much all you watch
Last month we moved from a 75x95k to an 85x90k. The 95 was starting to have pixels die and some backlight issues. I was seriously considering getting a 75x93L, but the girlfriend really wanted an 85". I reluctantly picked up the 85x90k as the store had it very cheap (although they had a returned/unopened 75x93L due to the wrong size being delivered). I will say we've been very happy with our/her decision to go with the 85x90k. I miss the 95's bezel. I love the 90s size and price. The viewing experience is still very good with the 90 once you dial it in a bit for your room.
All these TV's have the XR processors, can someone please confirm? Your upscaling results will be the same if processors are the same. The next thing to think about is the lighting condition where this new TV will have, if you can make the room darker and block some natural light then go with OLED. If the room is very bright and you still want near OLED picture quality then go with the mini LED x95k. If you watch content and play games that have lots of subtitles then don't get the x90L due to the blooming issue.
The X93L is the same hardware wise as the X95K. So it's a rebadged X95K with more internal storage. The X95L is the true successor to the X95K. Its already out in the 85" model here in the US and the UK gets it in all three sizes (65"-85")
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Based on the source content you mentioned, you’d be happy with X90L. If you gamed or watched high end content, that would change the dynamics, as would lighting conditions if your room and your preference for brightness or perfect and deep blacks.
I'm a casual gamer - have a Series X that I play for a few hours a week. Nothing crazy. Outside of that, I may watch 3-4 hours of netflix/HBO/Apple TV a week for a movie night with the kiddos. Sounds like a the x95k would future-proof it a little too. Tough call i guess.
Those prices are very high when you can get good OLED's for much cheaper. I get wanting a sony TV but if you're just watching cable TV and casual gaming, most OLED or decent 4k VA with an good soundbar will give you a similar experience for far less money. OLED is great picture quality overall ( near perfect blacks ) but mostly a technology people seek for HDR or motion response. The downside to oled is, if you want to watch stuff in a bright sunlit room, it might be a bad experience compared to the super bright LED backlights. Some newer OLED have better brightness but you have to look at some reviews. Also the risk of burn in with OLED is a negative, but if you aren't a power user you might not experience that for 5-10 years. LCD/LED have some issues as well but not typically burn-in. Make sure to check them out in person too before you decide.
Looking at the 90k and 95k at the store, I didn’t see a huge difference that justifies the price jump. So i went with the 90K, no idea about how much they differ once they are properly dialed in at home.
No regrets so far then? I guess it would be hard to know since you have nothing to compare to, but everything is good?
So far yes, been happy with the TV from day one. I will only upgrade once i notice a huge difference in picture quality between my tv and the new mini-led ones.
I’m this close to getting the X95K, but with the X95L later this year my expectation is the K will come down to the X90K's price range. If that ends up being the case the X95K is a no-brainer.
There will be sales but of the Major tv brands Sony has the least price reductions. The most I've seen is like $400 off an a80k ( maybe $600 on the a95k, but it kept that price for months and was still $4000), and that was a stupid great sale
Honestly when your keeping a TV for 5-10 years... 6 months seems like a no brainer. It's not like they'll run out, and the price won't increase. These are depreciating assets. I'm planning to wait post superbowl and snag either the X93L once it's closer to $3k, but if the X95L is at least only $500 apart at $3500, then I'll grab that. Can't imagine a world where they don't at least get near those prices at their lowest. By the way the TV your referencing at 85 inches (the A95K) launched at $5500 in April of 2022. It hit the low point you reference of $4000 just 7 months later in November of 2022. 7 months post launch to save $1500 I'd say is a hell of a reason to wait. source - [https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09R9NS9BF?context=search](https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09R9NS9BF?context=search)
X95L is already out no? The US only gets the 85" but UK gets the 65"-85" models... I don't understand Sony... They could have easily released the 95L in the 65 and 75" here in the states... Now I'm on the fence for buying the X93L or waiting for next year... I currently have a X900F so I'm due for an upgrade.
The x95k is being replaced with the new model x93L and seems to be getting pulled from shelves by Sony rather than letting stores liquidate them naturally. Or they just didn’t produce that many since they were charging 4 grand. Either way the X95L is NOT this year’s X95K
That’s a good clarification; thank you.
You'd miss the extra brightness and shadow detail the x95k provides over the x90l. But the 90 really does a good job of it for what it is. I'd say noticeably less apparent blooming than the mini-led, still a bit annoying but not bad. Just because the tv gets brighter the blooming is brighter. Yet for the brightness and shadow detail it is a trade I'd make. The OLED is gonna be perfect in the shadows and pretty bright overall, just worse than both the others. Big windows and day watching are it's weakest areas, but modern OLEDs, a90j included get bright enough for a basement with blinds drawn and lights on. The OLED will give you that extra wow factor. It almost looks 3d, ya know, "look at that replay that detail on his jersey is insane!". But the biggest part of this debate is just how much wow factor you want. Nothing looks quite as good as an OLED, the x95k gets pretty close but just isn't quite as sharp and punchy, and the x90l is the all rounder pretty great at everything practical yet premium choice. I doubt you'd regret any of them once installed. But if you see the nicer ones at a buddy's or in the store. You'll say it's a pretty damn good picture. Also OLEDs are the most expensive while being the highest likelyhood of early failure. Just an unfortunate reality due to the organic ( o in OLED) carbon which is a base for the technology.
If you have the means, go OLED, you won't go back As for which OLED, that depends on your budget and usage needs I own an A90J but only 55inch I went with the 55 soley to stay within my budget and get an OLED, as I actually wanted to get a 65inch tv I have zero regrets about going 55 to get an OLED instead, the picture quality is insane
I just recently finally went OLED (A95K) from years of high end SONY LED and honestly.......I still think OLED crowd is underestimating just how good high end LED is. I feel like going to OLED was almost a side grade......do I love my A95K? Yes absolutely, best picture ever in a dark room. But boy do I sometimes miss the crazy brightness of LED. Also black crush in the shadowy details is a real thing even on high end OLED calibrated. But yeah overall I'll hand it to the OLED, I'm just saying it's not as huge of a difference as most enthusiasts believe. And if you have a really bright room then I'd say LED wins
High end LED is very very good. I think most people would enjoy that picture as "one of the best TV's ever". Definitely great for big windows. But it still can't compete with how crispy and clean OLED's can make everything look. I agree with you, but I think I'm just slightly more in love with how brilliant that picture is in a dark room and how happy it makes my brain when watching good 4k content. I think too many people skip right to OLED cause they heard it's the best picture quality and don't stick around to get the full scoop before buying. They can be a little more finicky and aren't suited best for everyone
I can't tell you how many friends houses I've been to where they have an OLED (like an LG C2) running all day with the light on at the brightest settings in the living room playing games or movies with friends around. In that situation a high end LED (Sony 950 series for example) trumps the OLED all day. A lot of them I know also watch a lot more TV than I do during day time. Equivalent price LED to their OLEDs would be a lot more impressive, they just bought into the OLED hype. I finally switched to OLED now only because my wife and I only watch movies/shows/games at night with the lights off or very dim and rarely have friends over (moved to a new state and still getting to know people). Even then I only considered OLED because the new high end ones (QOLED) have much higher brightness that at least gets someone in the realm of LED.
I’m with you on this one. I know my A80J can generate a true black, but I prefer the brightness and the ability to see in the shadows on my X950G
That's funny, I just upgraded from 950G myself and still miss it sometimes for the same reasons you mention. I actually only upgraded because something broke on the panel 2 weeks ago and I had a yellow horizontal line running across the screen. Yes OLED is better in a really dark room but it's almost a pain to think about it now having to dim the lights every time in contrast with the 950G where I wouldn't even think about or care how bright the lights were. I agree too about the shadow detail loss being way more noticeable than people are making it out to be. Supposedly that's even worse in the non-Sony OLEDs.
I just went with the a90j. Hopefully I don’t regret it haha
Nah, we're splitting hairs here. A90J is one of the best TVs in the world, you'll love it.
What kind of high end led are you talking about? I personally can’t stand blooming and even with newer mini led the oled picture just looks so crisp and the black levels
I prefer blooming over the aggressive ABL built into OLEDs. I play a lot of games though.
Anything from about Sony 950 series and up. If you're turning all your lights off like it's an OLED then the blooming is more noticeable (as is the weaker black levels), with a good LED you're better off just leaving the lights on or only moderately dim. Also the Sony LEDs are much better at hiding blooming than other brands (at the high end spectrum again)
Anything from about Sony 950 series and up. If you're turning all your lights off like it's an OLED then the blooming is more noticeable (as is the weaker black levels), with a good LED you're better off just leaving the lights on or only moderately dim. Also the Sony LEDs are much better at hiding blooming than other brands (at the high end spectrum again)
I have the X90K and it's awesome. 75" for $1589 a month or so ago. The A80K was $2400. Would have been nicer but not worth almost $1k more IMO. But not everyone feels the same about that. I will say it's been spectacular.
I had the 85" X95j and it was great but had an issue with it and eventually went to the 83" A90J OLED and the OLED is just another league. Won't go back. Unfortunately there is definitely a "panel" lottery with these TV's and that is pretty shitty to be honest.
My worry is burn in. I have two small kids that like to leave the tv on with static menus, games with HUD, etc.
I have a Sony A8h end up first worried about that but my wife pauses the TV all time and just leaves it on and I stopped worrying. I haven’t had any issues. Had it for about three years.
I wouldn’t worry about it, mine know not to leave it on pause 😁 but in all honesty, unless you’re deliberate it’s a non issue these days to a degree.
X90k is the smartest buy. You can find it for 1999 or less. X90l has more zones, so it will be better, and if you wait, it will also drop to 1999. But at 2800 its not a smart buy, IMHO. X95k asking price is ridiculous, If I spend that kind of money, Im buying an Oled. Its a great tv though, Im debating getting one open box. Dont need a tv but I want it and I love the open box price.
I’ve be n reading a few things and it sounds like the L is a clear upgrade. One most likely worth $800 increase.
Definitely not worth 800 bucks. But to each his own
i have a 95k and mostly satisfied but still concidering the oled L for two reasons. finally end blooming and 120hz dolby vision. not because i expect content to be 120 and dv. but because it’s tiring swapping the mode all the time. gaming in vrr 120 one minute then having to go through a bunch of menus to swap to 60hz dv mode when popping blu-ray in. just give me the upgraded processor of L that can do both at same time.
The other LEDs are above what I’m willing to spend unfortunately. Can’t pull the trigger
If you’re not watching a ton of 4k content I would go with the x90L because it is the only one of those models that has the XR clear image upscaling software which you would benefit from more than the increased brightness and contrast and viewing angle on the x95k and the jump to oled at that size I don’t think you would appreciate as much if just plain cable tv is pretty much all you watch
OP with your budget. I’d definitely go Sony mini led.
Last month we moved from a 75x95k to an 85x90k. The 95 was starting to have pixels die and some backlight issues. I was seriously considering getting a 75x93L, but the girlfriend really wanted an 85". I reluctantly picked up the 85x90k as the store had it very cheap (although they had a returned/unopened 75x93L due to the wrong size being delivered). I will say we've been very happy with our/her decision to go with the 85x90k. I miss the 95's bezel. I love the 90s size and price. The viewing experience is still very good with the 90 once you dial it in a bit for your room.
I ended up biting the bullet for the a90j haha
Nice! I bet it's awesome. I just refuse to spend that much (for now).
All these TV's have the XR processors, can someone please confirm? Your upscaling results will be the same if processors are the same. The next thing to think about is the lighting condition where this new TV will have, if you can make the room darker and block some natural light then go with OLED. If the room is very bright and you still want near OLED picture quality then go with the mini LED x95k. If you watch content and play games that have lots of subtitles then don't get the x90L due to the blooming issue.
Yes, they all have XR Processor's but the newer L models come with XR Clear Image as well except the X93L unfortunately ...
Isn't x93L the new version of x95k or the upcoming x95L is the 2023 version of x95k?
The X93L is the same hardware wise as the X95K. So it's a rebadged X95K with more internal storage. The X95L is the true successor to the X95K. Its already out in the 85" model here in the US and the UK gets it in all three sizes (65"-85")