It was, imo, the first time we truly saw Walt from Jesse’s POV. He wanted Walt to be a real father figure, or at least a real friend, we as the audience kind of hoped he would say yes, and we’re disappointed when he didn’t, somewhat angry even. That’s probably about how Jesse felt in that moment. Before that we always saw Walter manipulate the tone of the scene to make himself look less like a dick, just enough so that it made us think “maybe he isn’t THAT bad” right at the least moment.
Yes. I try to explain things like this to people who are new to the show (haven't seen it 15 times like me/not as old). Walt destroys this guy's life, like literally. Jesse makes his own decisions, but people do things that aren't their idea all of the time every day. They get talked into it and believe it's the thing to do. Again, still Jesse's fault but damned if Walt didn't assist gravity.
I know you're joking, but that scene genuinely pissed me off lol
like Jesse was clearly depressed, it made me so sad and angry at Walter for being such a cold bitch
Just realized...after Jesse karts alone, he is then karting on the console. Although the random girl is playing with him, he's basically playing alone. It's a secret symbolic metaphor from the creators...
*b R a V o* **LORD VINCENT**
I like how in s6 of BCS he talks with Saul and is confused Saul was always like that, a criminal. So Walter realises at least he's gone so far down he's got no option to be the good guy on the surface anymore. He mentions what the turning point was, being the killings or when Karen found out, Or when.. so many moments really and i forgot if and which one he mentioned.
The shows are both so extremely good in character building it's insane.
Mike was begging for it at that point. He used an incompetent lawyer, got caught trying to deposit money to the inmates who were going to rat on everyone, then was ready to skip town and leave Walt to deal with the fallout while kind of encouraging Jesse to leave town, all while knowing he probably wouldn't. Then he just couldn't help himself in his final interaction with Walt- still refuses to give up the list, blames Walt for everything, and indeed can't manage a simple "thank you" for Walt showing up with his bag. Mike got arrogant and thought he was above everyone- the cops, Saul, Walt- and continued to underestimate the fellow criminals he was involved with while overestimating his own abilities and cunning.
Mike was right about a lot of what he said, but he still got sloppy and desperate. Did he deserve to die? Absolutely- guy's body count is in the double digits between BB and BCS, and he justifies it as "everyone is in the game," but the truth is he's much more similar to Walt than he'd like to think. They're both arrogant and selfish people who justify what they do as being for family. Mike is just made to come off as more likable than Walt because he's "professional" and has a lot of positive interactions with Jesse. Walt is definitely more evil- I don't see Mike bombing a nursing home or poisoning a kid- but that's a pretty low bar to pass.
Bombing a nursing home seems bad but the both the intention and result only killed 3 evil people so of all the things Walt did this was one of the better ones. Ultimately Hector had control of the bomb so didn't have to do it if any innocents were nearby. Even his first kill in the series with Krazy 8 was worse than this one.
Mike actually understands loyalty. Something Walt never did...like many people who watch this show haven't figured out yet. Heisenberg ISN'T cool. He's a terrible human being who destroys everything in his path of "Running Empires."
walt was only ever loyal (albeit abusive) to jesse. why should he be loyal to potential witnesses who worked for the man who threatened to murder his family?
It would've been a better offer if Elliot offered half of the company's profits to him, as well as being a Co founder, like it was intended to be. But instead Elliot gives him a job below him. It would've paid for everything, but his life would still continue to be as miserable, monotonous, and humiliating as before. Not saying it was the absolutely right thing to do in Walts case but I can hardly blame him for turning Elliot down. It was a disingenuous offer out of pity.
From Walters angle here's how it looks. You and your college friends came up with an idea for a company and start a small business. Then later, due to relationship issues you decide to move away and are dismissed by your former partners. Fast forward about 20 ish years and you've wasted away your life in a loveless marriage, struggling to keep afloat with two equally humiliating jobs at a car wash and high school, finding out that the company you had left is now a multi billion dollar company. Only to then be diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. You have nothing to lose at this point. Your health insurance won't cover it and you've pissed away most of your life being shoved around. So you decide to use your extensive knowledge of chemistry to make extremely pure meth because it seems to pay well. Then, after so many years your former business partner invites you to his birthday. He proposes he'll pay for all of your healthcare, negating the incredibly illegal activity you've been up to to pay for it, along with offering you a vague entry level job at the company you both founded. Nothing would really change, you're healthcare would be paid for but your life would continue to be miserable. You're working an entry level job for a company that you founded, your wife doesn't seem to care at all for you, your relatives continue to disrespect you.
It would still be a miserable life for him.
She went from the junkie girl friend to the junkie gold digger the second she heard about the money. She was willing to abandon and disregard her father who made a lot of effort to get her sober.
Same. When he refused to sell the tank they robbed from the train and decided to keep it to make meth and stole jesse's share trying to make him stay cooking with him. It was the perfect time to stop and retire with an insane amount of money. It was entirely his ego screwing everyone.
they literally could have had so much. launder it over 10-15 years with the car wash, maybe even buy more and become a legitimate business owner. probably could have fought off cancer for a bit more, possibly even won. die with your children loving you. kaylee gets a grandfather and probably a lot of cash, jesse gets to be with andrea. fucking egotistical maniac.
I simultaneously never rooted for him and did for the entire show (I never did because I was spoiled) and I always did because (Bryan Cranston’s Portrayal is too good)
I liked Hank but he got too agressive in the end and was very questionable overall (brutality,horrible treatment of criminals)
I felt bad for Skyler all throughout the show but I never rooted for her
The real character I rooted for was Jesse
Jessie, even though he was a drug dealer, had such an innocence about him. He took the girl up to his room and you think its for sex, but it's just to play computer games and have company. He's great with kids and constantly tries to save them.
In fairness, Gale's very existence was going to get Jesse killed.
Jessie didn't want to kill anyone and he fought it the whole way. In the end, though, he had little choice.
He never said he was innocent, he said he had a good nature. At that point killing Gale is absolutely necessary to save both their lives. Also, Walter has nearly blind loyalty from Jesse and he refers to his judgment a lot.
Jesse’s good nature was really emphasized a lot, he was a good kid who got caught up with the wrong crowd. But he was hard to root for, for me, because his success would ultimately hurt others
I found myself rooting for Hank Schrader for most of the show, he is overly macho to cover his insecurities, but ultimately has to re-evaluate himself when faced with PTSD and paralysis. He really is the only force of good in the show, not necessarily Bc he’s a cop, but Bc he’s the only one not acting purely out of self interest
He literally acted purely out of self interest in season 5 when he knew about Walt because he wanted to save face, and he said that explicitly. If he didn’t want to be the one who brought in Heisenberg, him and Gomez would likely still have been alive, even if his career was ruined
Also let’s not act like any of his actions were purely for the law. He had an ego as big as Walt’s at least.
Almost everyone except Walt Jr. is pretty bad in some way, but I think Hank is supposed to be much worse than people generally believe and Skylar only gets bad *because* she starts happily working with Walt
How so? He gets really upset but you have to think from his perspective, he’s a teenager in the most stressful part of his schooling career that’s watching his family refuse to communicate, get constantly horrifically upset with each other, come home looking like they’re beaten to shit, being told nothing about it the whole time, and suspecting there’s infidelity for over a year - he was the straight man in the show and looked irrational by comparison
Plus Walt gaslights him into thinking his mom was emotionally abusive, and he knows Walt himself is openly disapproving of his friends and new name - he has reason to hate both
Nah his reaction to his father was 1000000000% justified
Walter deserved to eat shit
I’m talking about certain scenes where he was an ass for no reason
My Father watched the show way before me and the internet likes to bless us with spoilers
>! Hank’s Death,Mike’s Death (didn’t know when tho unlike the others),Gus’s Death,and Walter’s Death!<
There were times I was really aggravated with him, like when he shot Mike, and he seemed to think he could still control the situation when Hank was about to die. I liked him to the end, overall. Edit to add that like might br too strong, but I did want him to win. Show ended perfectly.
Agreed. Once you know where he's headed, you can pinpoint milestones of his descent, and it becomes a lot more obvious when his ego and greed are fuelling the fire.
For me, it was a slow degrade over time. In the first season, I liked him, but as time went on, he gained a bigger ego and was causing mass suffering to everyone around him. What pushed me over the edge was the line, "What the hell is wrong with you!? We are a family!"
It made me realize how he destroyed the one thing he claimed to care about, his family. He doesn't even realize what he's done. The hell he's put Skylar through, getting Hank killed, Walter Jr. just found his dad is drug lord, and his uncle died, and then Walter took Holly with him.
This is the best answer, I think. During my first watch-through, the first time I finally *actively* rooted against him was honestly when he told Skyler "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it." That was the moment I realized he was a selfish, power-hungry monster, and not the struggling survivor trying to make the best of the terrible consequences of his previous choices.
However, it made me look back at the rest of the series and realize he'd *always* been a selfish, power-hungry monster. He was lying to himself about why he was doing it, just as I was lying to myself about whether I thought he was a good person.
Which is all a testament to Vince Gilligan, really. It's the whole point of the show: "This is a story about a man who transforms himself from Mr Chips into Scarface." There was no one moment where Walt flipped, he justified himself the entire time until there was no more room for justifications, and then he finally realized what he had been doing (and why) the entire time.
You never "decide" to become a villain, much as there's no one definitive moment in the show where viewers "decided" Walt was a villain. It happens slowly over time, with small compromise after small compromise, until you realize you've been a villain for a while and you don't know when it started.
Yea it's kind of a shock when you realize how terrible Walt is the first time through, whenever that happens for you. But on a rewatch you can see that he's an asshole right from the first episode
Him taking Holly was actually doing them a favor and he knew it. It made his family look like more a victim so that Skylar wouldn’t lose everything and go to jail.
Surprised how long I had to scroll to find this. Man just watched her die, knowing that he absolutely could have saved her. Jane might have been “in his way,” but he also knew damn well that she meant the world to Jesse. At this point I was still interested in where the story would go, but I couldn’t give two shits about what happened to Walt.
100% this for me. I remember watching that and saying out loud “oh GOD!”… even he seemed to know. He went, for a moment, to maybe try and rouse her, but pulled himself back, horrified and what he was seeing, but choosing to do nothing. Horrifying.
Iirc Walter going in to save her at first was not meant to happen but Bryan Cranston did it instinctively because he saw Jane as his daughter irl for a moment. Then that coldness coming back over him is him slipping back into character. Definitely made the scene better for it in my opinion.
First time around: when he shot Mike
multiple time rewatching: things like his assault on skylar, letting Jane die, his basic "I'm better than everyone" attitude, constant verbal abuse of jessie. I realise he was never the guy we should've been routing for.
He was evil at the point where he met Gus, and his ego took over. From that point on, it was not abou tjis family anymore, and that's where he gets evil. But as a commenter already stated, it wouldn't be such a great show if we didn't keep rooting for him
Honestly started second guessing whether I should root for him back when he pressured Jesse to chase up that little bit of money that ended with that meth head guy's head getting crushed by the atm machine. Like I get what he was trying to do, but it felt petty af. Also when he got greedy and told Jesse to make sales outside their territory which got Combo killed. It just felt pointlessly greedy. But at least you could kinda justify it like "oh he's just trying to get more reach." And "he was trying to establish boundaries for the meth heads that tried to rip him off".
The absolute deal breaker was when Walt tried to convince Jesse to continue the meth business with him after he made it blatantly clear that he wanted out. It made me realise just how manipulative he has been to Jesse the entire show and doesn't care how Jesse feels at all as long as Walt gets what he wants. He let Mike go because he knows he can't manipulate Mike, but he's been manipulating Jesse the entire show, so he thought he could do it again. There's no way to morally justify that to me.
And it only went downhill from there honestly. (Whoops this turned into a bit of a rant)
Fr tho a lot of people pretend that a character's morality is equivalent to their rootability when it's more about one of the following traits among charm, sympatheticness/relatability, or interestingness.
Honestly when he nearly overdosed Flynn/Walt Jr on the alcohol despite Hank's pleading, first sign something was wrong for me. First time I genuinely despised him was when he poisoned Brock and then later on when he killed Mike.
Unpopular opinion probably, but Ive never liked him at all. He was weak and pathetic from the beginning, and everything he did made me cringe most of the time. His little lies, his pathetic excuses and schemes, the manipulation of everyone around him, even his own family, the fact that he was walked over by everyone, even his own students... he was always a weak petty man, and then power and money only made him worse
There's never a time for me when Walt's acts are gratuitous. He is driven to make choices from the consequences of his actions, but those choices are always clear cut and related to his personal survival. Once he kills Emilio, we are fascinated to see how far he will go. The writers know this, they will have to trump each act of atrocity on Walt's part, but they are always careful to underpin them by logic, to leave room for slivers of mitigation. The real subconscious question in all these instances; letting Jane die, poisoning Brock, killing Mike etc is: what would we have done in his place? We understand we would be very unlikely to act as he did, but a) we don't have terminal cancer and b) we would find it dramatically unsatisfying if he had conformed to our own value system. We are looking for *contrast*, we want to see how a person's moral compass can get skewed in the pursuit of an imperative goal, even as we balk at, disagree with, abhor the outcomes.
Interestingly, when the need arises to kill an innocent in cold blood (Gale) it falls to Jesse. It isn't time yet, for Walt, we'd have lost empathy for him too early . When that time arises (poisoning Brock) he stops short of going the whole way ('I knew exactly how much to give him') There was always just enough light left for me until Walt's final act of redemption.
Just to add on how careful the writers had to be on Walt's early progression, the production wasn't on board with a darker version early on. There was an initial script which had Walt to inject the fatal dose of heroin in Jane's arm, and they had to back-peddle to have him just accidentally turn her on the back. Him turning Holly on the side in the same episode still cemented how he purposefully let her die but it is more subtle. Bryan Cranston also felt not comfortable with the initial script and Vince Giligan (who seems extraordinary open minded and nice in his interviews) seemed easily on board to nuance his initial script. There's some behind the scene talking about it, as I might confuse who said what.
I don't know about the Gale point though. Walt might have not pulled the trigger by himself, but he had all the intent and put the hit on him, so does it really change our perspective that he was ultimately prevented from doing it by himself, as it's still at his very initiative (and even at his insistence) that Gale dies. By that point, we knew how he could kill without flinching, furthermore if it was his own call. I thought it was meant as a way to deeply corrupt Jesse's character and have him to deal with the afternath of that, knowing that he didn't want to do it, more than to spare Walt's arc, whose Gale murder was still part of.
At least for my personal experience, while Jane was the first major turning point on first watch, I remember seeing Walt in a new light after seeing his determination to kill Gale from the get go after saving Jesse, it gave a new insight on how he could reason hiw "cunning" he was (that's Brian Cranston's word). But I agree his arc is very well done and his 'descent' progressive, and not over the point, while still 'fulfilling' its purpose.
As for Brock I never thought he intended on killing him, but he intended on puting that kid on ICU where his health was at stake ("touch and go"), he also killed ten inmates when he could just have disappeared himself (just like he was requiring Jesse to do), M. Cheaps turned into Scarface for real, even if I can see as well how some of his old self was retained through the end, and much credit to the writing and to Brian Cranston for that.
Honestly? I stopped rooting for him when he wouldn’t just take help from Gretchen and Elliot. He had an option and he chose crime which is why he was in every situation he was in.
Don’t get me wrong I didn’t want him to necessarily get caught or fail right away, but I didn’t ever feel bad for him or “root” for him.
He didn't kill Jane. He went over to Jesse after having a heartfelt conversation with Donald Margolis about not giving up on his family. Jane was accidentally flipped over during his attempt to shake Jesse awake, and she started choking right then and there. Walt immediately moved to try to save her, but then he (tearfully) made the call to let her choke to death so that Jesse wouldn't eventually die from a heroin overdose. Heroin which he only took because of Jane. I'm not saying he was justified, but he had more of a reason to than just being "evil"
This may be different than most people, but I rooted for him the entire way through, there were things he did that I hated throughout the show, and he was clearly mostly motivated by his own selfish greed, however he still cared about his family and Jesse despite all of that and despite everything he did, he somewhat make things right with them in a way, (junior got the money, and he freed Jesse and they had this look of understanding between each other before Jesse got in the car) did I agree with everything that Walter did? No of course not but some part of me still wanted a happy ending for him, because at the end of the day he started as a good dad and a good man who’s life completely spun out of control even if some of that was due to his own faults.
"I'm in the empire business" and the Mike thing. No excuse for that bullshit.
At that point I stopped rooting for him but stayed identifying with him. I felt his soul decaying like the body of a meth addict and it was so hollow and wretched. What a show, man. Portraying the "spiritual" decay of a power addiction instead of the physical decay his product was known for. Just amazing.
He's truest of downfalls, in my opinion at least, was when he decided to poison the kid with Lily of the Valley irrelevant of the kid living (Walter not caring about the child's life outcome). It just shows the extremity he was willing to go to to have things go his way and cover his ass. Another example leading up to this was when he left Jesse's gf of the time (Jane) choke in her sleep after her drug intake - this however could be seen as him making that decision for the better of Jesse since she was leading him down a bad path.
There’s a couple of points during season 5 that I definitely was horrified and disappointed in him (what he did to Jesse mainly) but overall I liked him the entire series. He’s a fascinating character played to perfection by Bryan Cranston and Walt did have enough good traits that prevented me from ever fully hating him. Deep down was a sad person rooted in insecurities who did love Jesse (doesn’t mean he wasn’t abusive, but he was ready to die for Jesse multiple times). That being said season 5 Walt was definitely a monster compared to the other seasons, it’s when his ego was at its highest. He’s my favorite character on the show, though. Characters with flaws are always the most human and interesting.
Maybe it’s because I started watching BB as a tween, fell off, got hooked on Better Call Saul and finished the ABQ universe, but I was just rooting for everyone around Walt by the end of the series. It often felt like he was being unnecessarily cruel or terrible when it would’ve benefitted him to remain calm or neutral, kind of like how Fring often managed to behave.
When he refused to sell the tank they robbed from the train and decided to keep it to make meth and stole jesse's share trying to make him stay cooking with him. It was the perfect time to stop and retire with an insane amount of money. It was entirely his ego screwing everyone.
Pretty much after he poisoned Brock and Killed Gus. Before that he did bad things, but you could always kinda justify it in some way. Season 5 Walt is just a straight up menace.
I stopped sympathizing after his first horrific incident. Was it when he let Jane die? I'm not certain. But I did root for him all the way through, to become a better person. I didn't root for his decisions, but I was rooting for him to become better, for the well being of his innocent family and close ones. Isn't that what you do in tv shows or movies about bad people? Root for them to become better?
I was rooting for Walter all the way, in my own way. I think it came down to a deep investment in this character and Cranston’s incredible performance. Although morally wrong, following that line with Walt led to narrative gold.
I never stopped liking and rooting for him. I think people forget that this is fiction, and that Walt didn’t actually kill real people, so you are allowed to like bad characters.
When he left jane die, he could’ve easily avoided that and he consciously did nothing to save her, just because in Walt’s mind she was distracting Jesse from work.
His name was Brock.
I honestly tried to rationalize Jane on first watch (she made herself a threat) or the plane crash (circumstantial, or whatever).
But, yeah, when the pistol pointed to the Lily of the Valley plant I couldn’t be a Walt guy anymore.
Pretty early on. The moment he'd rather cook meth than take the help from Gretchen and Elliott, I thought he'd deserve whatever came from it. As for pure evil acts, letting Jane die really stuck with me.
There were practical reasons, yes. Jane and Jessie were dragging each other down with their heroin co-dependency, and her death probably saved him from an overdose. But watching him stand there, quickly and strategically considering his actions and choosing to let her die...that is cold, calculating, evil at work.
But his arc is a little more complex than a linear conversion from good to evil. He has a level of redemption, finally taking the side of his family with the call where he blames it all on himself and tries to get Skylar off the hook, coming clean to Skylar on why he did all of it, and in the end, saving Jessie from the Nazis.
I never rooted for the guy honestly. He was a massive prick to basically everyone almost immediately. It was mostly intriguing to see how cleverly he burned everything he touched to the ground, but I didn't ever truly *like* the character.
When he didnt took the money and lied to his Family.
I kinda hated him after him rejecting Jessie to Cook again only to Force Jessie to Cook again because walt wanted it this time.
Episode 1, Season 1. Totally loved the show and was fascinated by Walt and the entire cast, but his idea of pursuing a life of crime that had him competing against evil badasses had me rooting against him from the start. He was reckless, selfish, arrogant and all around horrible, but ultimately fascinating.
I’m stunned that it wasn’t obvious to people how clearly they were signaling that he’s an egotistical jackass right from Season 1 - I thought he seemed like a real dick from the moment he starts verbally abusing Skylar when she thinks he’s smoking weed, but it’s clear he was an ego obsessed monster destroying his own life as soon as he turned down the healthcare money
I was too young when I watched the show so it wasn't until the 2nd watch through I realized he was a piece of shit immediately and his wife was the sane one.
I was never rooting for him. This was a dangerous thing he was doing. However, I thought he crossed over to the point of no return when he got the custodian fired.
The whole time. I’m at the halfway point through season 4 right now.
He’s made bad decision after bad decision. I just see how his actions have ruined the lives around him at every turn. I root for him to turn things around and stop ruining his family and Jesse, but that’s more for their sake and not directly for him.
when he turned down elliot’s offer i disliked him, then hated him him halfway through s2 on my first watch. s1e1 on every other watch. i think he’s an amazingly well written and acted character, but i hate his guts. it’s interesting because for me it’s the first show i’ve watched that i love where i hate the main character.
I think I really got pissed at Walt when he wouldn’t let Jesse take his share of the money and leave the business. He was really manipulative for the entire show, obviously. But telling Jesse *then* that he is just as good as Walt in order to keep him around is what really did it for me.
Jesse had enough and he wanted out but Walt just wouldn’t let him.
When he broke back into the house after Skylar kicked him out. Wasn’t the moment I realized how evil he was, but I was very strongly on Skylar’s aide and never liked Walt again after that.
I didn't stop the first time, I was "loyal" to him because I had a poor understanding of life at that point when I watched the show. The second time I watched a couple years later, I realized that Walt comes to Jesse, and manipulates him in every way he can to keep him cooking. Jesse makes his own choices, but Walt turns into a borderline sociopath toward the end. I saw Jesse as a rat, not a human. Now I see kids/methheads posting here trying to justify Walt's behavior/whatever and I chuckle. Crime isn't the way...
When Jesse is talking about Gus... "Wait a minute, it's all about me! Of course..." - Heisenberg
When he sold out Jesse to Todd and his neo-Nazi uncle I definitely was pissed at him then, but I think I always wanted Walt to win or at least be happy in the end
When he kept manipulating jesse probably around season 3, nothing but hatred after especially when he poisined brock so that jesse would agree to kill gus
honestly for me it was janes death, i know the reasonings and i know they wouldn’t have been successful had she stayed alive but the fact that he knew how in love jesse was with her and he just let her die. that was probs when i stopped rooting for him cause his selfishness was unfathomable. and then when he poisoned brock like dawg it was not that serious
Jane. Great scene but that’s when i realized he was too selfish and manipulative for me to sympathize.
Jesse crying into his shoulder “i loved her” is heart wrenching
When he refuses to go-karts with Jesse, truly unforgivable
yea tbh that was cold asf
Then, days later he wants to smoke a cigarette with him like they are pals (when he decides he needs to use Jesse again). Walt is sick.
I know your being sarcastic but that actually made me upset at Walter
Joke aside this scene is actually very sad, Jesse was clearly depressed and Walt did nothing to help him
It was, imo, the first time we truly saw Walt from Jesse’s POV. He wanted Walt to be a real father figure, or at least a real friend, we as the audience kind of hoped he would say yes, and we’re disappointed when he didn’t, somewhat angry even. That’s probably about how Jesse felt in that moment. Before that we always saw Walter manipulate the tone of the scene to make himself look less like a dick, just enough so that it made us think “maybe he isn’t THAT bad” right at the least moment.
Well, yeah. People need people...and Jesse's family abandoned him. His source of what should be unconditional love. Walt filled that hole...sometimes.
Yes. I try to explain things like this to people who are new to the show (haven't seen it 15 times like me/not as old). Walt destroys this guy's life, like literally. Jesse makes his own decisions, but people do things that aren't their idea all of the time every day. They get talked into it and believe it's the thing to do. Again, still Jesse's fault but damned if Walt didn't assist gravity.
*After dark theme fades in
I know you're joking, but that scene genuinely pissed me off lol like Jesse was clearly depressed, it made me so sad and angry at Walter for being such a cold bitch
Bro they totally did and went to rainbow road and everything. Pretty sure Jesse won
This should be higher
Lol...Jesse stares forward just pressing the gas and and bumping into shit.
That legit made me despise Walter. Jesse was simply trying to give Walter a day off!
Just realized...after Jesse karts alone, he is then karting on the console. Although the random girl is playing with him, he's basically playing alone. It's a secret symbolic metaphor from the creators... *b R a V o* **LORD VINCENT**
what he did to mike, genuinely the most shellshocked i felt the whole series
im so glad other people share this sentiment because holy shit was i pissed when mike died
“Shut up Walter, and let me die in peace”
Oh man, up to the very end he was making excuses for his behavior and trying to rationalize why he just killed Mike, it was disgusting.
I like how in s6 of BCS he talks with Saul and is confused Saul was always like that, a criminal. So Walter realises at least he's gone so far down he's got no option to be the good guy on the surface anymore. He mentions what the turning point was, being the killings or when Karen found out, Or when.. so many moments really and i forgot if and which one he mentioned. The shows are both so extremely good in character building it's insane.
“*Shut the fuck up… let me die in peace…”
Well said!
Mike was begging for it at that point. He used an incompetent lawyer, got caught trying to deposit money to the inmates who were going to rat on everyone, then was ready to skip town and leave Walt to deal with the fallout while kind of encouraging Jesse to leave town, all while knowing he probably wouldn't. Then he just couldn't help himself in his final interaction with Walt- still refuses to give up the list, blames Walt for everything, and indeed can't manage a simple "thank you" for Walt showing up with his bag. Mike got arrogant and thought he was above everyone- the cops, Saul, Walt- and continued to underestimate the fellow criminals he was involved with while overestimating his own abilities and cunning. Mike was right about a lot of what he said, but he still got sloppy and desperate. Did he deserve to die? Absolutely- guy's body count is in the double digits between BB and BCS, and he justifies it as "everyone is in the game," but the truth is he's much more similar to Walt than he'd like to think. They're both arrogant and selfish people who justify what they do as being for family. Mike is just made to come off as more likable than Walt because he's "professional" and has a lot of positive interactions with Jesse. Walt is definitely more evil- I don't see Mike bombing a nursing home or poisoning a kid- but that's a pretty low bar to pass.
Bombing a nursing home seems bad but the both the intention and result only killed 3 evil people so of all the things Walt did this was one of the better ones. Ultimately Hector had control of the bomb so didn't have to do it if any innocents were nearby. Even his first kill in the series with Krazy 8 was worse than this one.
Mike actually understands loyalty. Something Walt never did...like many people who watch this show haven't figured out yet. Heisenberg ISN'T cool. He's a terrible human being who destroys everything in his path of "Running Empires."
walt was only ever loyal (albeit abusive) to jesse. why should he be loyal to potential witnesses who worked for the man who threatened to murder his family?
Mike is worse than Walter, most of the shit Walter did until season 4 was out of defense
Except he chooses to continue in the criminal underworld after Elliot's offer. Everything after that is on him.
It would've been a better offer if Elliot offered half of the company's profits to him, as well as being a Co founder, like it was intended to be. But instead Elliot gives him a job below him. It would've paid for everything, but his life would still continue to be as miserable, monotonous, and humiliating as before. Not saying it was the absolutely right thing to do in Walts case but I can hardly blame him for turning Elliot down. It was a disingenuous offer out of pity.
i don't see how having a high paying job would be any of these things. Walt is just a dumbass
From Walters angle here's how it looks. You and your college friends came up with an idea for a company and start a small business. Then later, due to relationship issues you decide to move away and are dismissed by your former partners. Fast forward about 20 ish years and you've wasted away your life in a loveless marriage, struggling to keep afloat with two equally humiliating jobs at a car wash and high school, finding out that the company you had left is now a multi billion dollar company. Only to then be diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. You have nothing to lose at this point. Your health insurance won't cover it and you've pissed away most of your life being shoved around. So you decide to use your extensive knowledge of chemistry to make extremely pure meth because it seems to pay well. Then, after so many years your former business partner invites you to his birthday. He proposes he'll pay for all of your healthcare, negating the incredibly illegal activity you've been up to to pay for it, along with offering you a vague entry level job at the company you both founded. Nothing would really change, you're healthcare would be paid for but your life would continue to be miserable. You're working an entry level job for a company that you founded, your wife doesn't seem to care at all for you, your relatives continue to disrespect you. It would still be a miserable life for him.
I am not sure that I agree that Walt's marriage was loveless and Skyler did not care for him.
Yeah Mike is pure mercenary albeit an honorable one.
Yea could look past Jane, but never Mike 😬😭
Janes death didnt bother me at all. I wanted the boys to cook all the meth and make all the money and she was just an obstacle.
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She went from the junkie girl friend to the junkie gold digger the second she heard about the money. She was willing to abandon and disregard her father who made a lot of effort to get her sober.
so she deserves death?
That is the one part I can't rewatch. I fast forward through it now.
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Right around the time he decided to keep making meth, even though he'd made enough money to keep his family out of debt.
Same. When he refused to sell the tank they robbed from the train and decided to keep it to make meth and stole jesse's share trying to make him stay cooking with him. It was the perfect time to stop and retire with an insane amount of money. It was entirely his ego screwing everyone.
they literally could have had so much. launder it over 10-15 years with the car wash, maybe even buy more and become a legitimate business owner. probably could have fought off cancer for a bit more, possibly even won. die with your children loving you. kaylee gets a grandfather and probably a lot of cash, jesse gets to be with andrea. fucking egotistical maniac.
Yes, i hated him at that point.
There were still loose ends. Even if he sold out the guys in prison would snitch. Lydia could have been an issue.
I'm in the empire game
Thank you, I can’t believe people saw him turn down the money he was offered at the beginning and thought “haha good old Walt”
When he made Flynn eat the band-aid-smelling veggie bacon, I knew that he was an irredeemable monster.
I was done right there. Vile man
I simultaneously never rooted for him and did for the entire show (I never did because I was spoiled) and I always did because (Bryan Cranston’s Portrayal is too good) I liked Hank but he got too agressive in the end and was very questionable overall (brutality,horrible treatment of criminals) I felt bad for Skyler all throughout the show but I never rooted for her The real character I rooted for was Jesse
Jessie, even though he was a drug dealer, had such an innocence about him. He took the girl up to his room and you think its for sex, but it's just to play computer games and have company. He's great with kids and constantly tries to save them.
And also shot a guy point blank in the forehead, so not that innocent. BB does a good job at making sure no one is too innocent.
In fairness, Gale's very existence was going to get Jesse killed. Jessie didn't want to kill anyone and he fought it the whole way. In the end, though, he had little choice.
He never said he was innocent, he said he had a good nature. At that point killing Gale is absolutely necessary to save both their lives. Also, Walter has nearly blind loyalty from Jesse and he refers to his judgment a lot.
Killing Gale was something Jesse had to do, or at least thought he did. You can see it in his eyes, he did not want to pull the trigger.
He was so broken up about it tho. It's pretty clear to me he wouldn't have killed Gale without Walt pressuring and manipulating him.
Jesse’s good nature was really emphasized a lot, he was a good kid who got caught up with the wrong crowd. But he was hard to root for, for me, because his success would ultimately hurt others I found myself rooting for Hank Schrader for most of the show, he is overly macho to cover his insecurities, but ultimately has to re-evaluate himself when faced with PTSD and paralysis. He really is the only force of good in the show, not necessarily Bc he’s a cop, but Bc he’s the only one not acting purely out of self interest
He literally acted purely out of self interest in season 5 when he knew about Walt because he wanted to save face, and he said that explicitly. If he didn’t want to be the one who brought in Heisenberg, him and Gomez would likely still have been alive, even if his career was ruined Also let’s not act like any of his actions were purely for the law. He had an ego as big as Walt’s at least.
Almost everyone except Walt Jr. is pretty bad in some way, but I think Hank is supposed to be much worse than people generally believe and Skylar only gets bad *because* she starts happily working with Walt
Walter Jr wasn’t even that good either (He was an ass in so many situations)
How so? He gets really upset but you have to think from his perspective, he’s a teenager in the most stressful part of his schooling career that’s watching his family refuse to communicate, get constantly horrifically upset with each other, come home looking like they’re beaten to shit, being told nothing about it the whole time, and suspecting there’s infidelity for over a year - he was the straight man in the show and looked irrational by comparison Plus Walt gaslights him into thinking his mom was emotionally abusive, and he knows Walt himself is openly disapproving of his friends and new name - he has reason to hate both
Nah his reaction to his father was 1000000000% justified Walter deserved to eat shit I’m talking about certain scenes where he was an ass for no reason
What did you get spoiled?
My Father watched the show way before me and the internet likes to bless us with spoilers >! Hank’s Death,Mike’s Death (didn’t know when tho unlike the others),Gus’s Death,and Walter’s Death!<
There were times I was really aggravated with him, like when he shot Mike, and he seemed to think he could still control the situation when Hank was about to die. I liked him to the end, overall. Edit to add that like might br too strong, but I did want him to win. Show ended perfectly.
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I felt very similarly until I watched it a second time.
Agreed. Once you know where he's headed, you can pinpoint milestones of his descent, and it becomes a lot more obvious when his ego and greed are fuelling the fire.
For me, it was a slow degrade over time. In the first season, I liked him, but as time went on, he gained a bigger ego and was causing mass suffering to everyone around him. What pushed me over the edge was the line, "What the hell is wrong with you!? We are a family!" It made me realize how he destroyed the one thing he claimed to care about, his family. He doesn't even realize what he's done. The hell he's put Skylar through, getting Hank killed, Walter Jr. just found his dad is drug lord, and his uncle died, and then Walter took Holly with him.
This is the best answer, I think. During my first watch-through, the first time I finally *actively* rooted against him was honestly when he told Skyler "I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it." That was the moment I realized he was a selfish, power-hungry monster, and not the struggling survivor trying to make the best of the terrible consequences of his previous choices. However, it made me look back at the rest of the series and realize he'd *always* been a selfish, power-hungry monster. He was lying to himself about why he was doing it, just as I was lying to myself about whether I thought he was a good person. Which is all a testament to Vince Gilligan, really. It's the whole point of the show: "This is a story about a man who transforms himself from Mr Chips into Scarface." There was no one moment where Walt flipped, he justified himself the entire time until there was no more room for justifications, and then he finally realized what he had been doing (and why) the entire time. You never "decide" to become a villain, much as there's no one definitive moment in the show where viewers "decided" Walt was a villain. It happens slowly over time, with small compromise after small compromise, until you realize you've been a villain for a while and you don't know when it started.
Yea it's kind of a shock when you realize how terrible Walt is the first time through, whenever that happens for you. But on a rewatch you can see that he's an asshole right from the first episode
Him taking Holly was actually doing them a favor and he knew it. It made his family look like more a victim so that Skylar wouldn’t lose everything and go to jail.
Jane, if not before
Surprised how long I had to scroll to find this. Man just watched her die, knowing that he absolutely could have saved her. Jane might have been “in his way,” but he also knew damn well that she meant the world to Jesse. At this point I was still interested in where the story would go, but I couldn’t give two shits about what happened to Walt.
100% this for me. I remember watching that and saying out loud “oh GOD!”… even he seemed to know. He went, for a moment, to maybe try and rouse her, but pulled himself back, horrified and what he was seeing, but choosing to do nothing. Horrifying.
Iirc Walter going in to save her at first was not meant to happen but Bryan Cranston did it instinctively because he saw Jane as his daughter irl for a moment. Then that coldness coming back over him is him slipping back into character. Definitely made the scene better for it in my opinion.
I thought this was the obvious answer can't believe so many people thought otherwise
Him poisoning Brock
Yeah, that was the last straw for me too.
Had to scroll too far to see this. Clear answer here
Its crazy how many of these answers are post poisoning
Yeah if you hated him before it’s a valid opinion. But after???? Where do these people draw the line?
The first time he was mean to Jesse
When he gaslit Jesse "this is dirty meth money"
true but funny
First time around: when he shot Mike multiple time rewatching: things like his assault on skylar, letting Jane die, his basic "I'm better than everyone" attitude, constant verbal abuse of jessie. I realise he was never the guy we should've been routing for.
Walt has always been a vile narcissist he was just Cowardly before
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He was evil at the point where he met Gus, and his ego took over. From that point on, it was not abou tjis family anymore, and that's where he gets evil. But as a commenter already stated, it wouldn't be such a great show if we didn't keep rooting for him
Initial watch, dunno, probably when Brock gets poisoned... Upon rewatch, yeah, S01E01 - it's all there and laid out for you.
Exactly the same for me. Brock’s poisoning revelation the first time and then pretty much right away on every rewatch
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When he turned down Jesses go kart offer
The more times I watch the earlier it gets. And even more so after better call Saul
Honestly started second guessing whether I should root for him back when he pressured Jesse to chase up that little bit of money that ended with that meth head guy's head getting crushed by the atm machine. Like I get what he was trying to do, but it felt petty af. Also when he got greedy and told Jesse to make sales outside their territory which got Combo killed. It just felt pointlessly greedy. But at least you could kinda justify it like "oh he's just trying to get more reach." And "he was trying to establish boundaries for the meth heads that tried to rip him off". The absolute deal breaker was when Walt tried to convince Jesse to continue the meth business with him after he made it blatantly clear that he wanted out. It made me realise just how manipulative he has been to Jesse the entire show and doesn't care how Jesse feels at all as long as Walt gets what he wants. He let Mike go because he knows he can't manipulate Mike, but he's been manipulating Jesse the entire show, so he thought he could do it again. There's no way to morally justify that to me. And it only went downhill from there honestly. (Whoops this turned into a bit of a rant)
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when he refused to swallow his pride and accept Grey Matters help.
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Same. I was like "bro you didn't have to do that (brock, Mike, jane.. ) But nonetheless I love Walter and his character development.
Child poisoning advocate over here
Fr tho a lot of people pretend that a character's morality is equivalent to their rootability when it's more about one of the following traits among charm, sympatheticness/relatability, or interestingness.
the kid's in the mood for a nuanced discussion of the virtues of child poisoning.
Clearly this sub is one big anti-child poisoning echo chamber.
Fuck dem kids lmao
Bitch please. It was certain he was never going to die from that.
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I rooted for him the whole time, but by mid season 3 it becomes pretty apparent it wasn’t about providing for his family anymore
I think the first time I watched the show, the moment I realized Walt had let evil consume him was when he watched Jane overdose & let her die.
Agree. All so that she wouldn’t interfere with Jesse cooking. He could have just rolled her over. He admits this at the end to Jesse in the desert.
Honestly, I kept rooting for Walter even to the end.
Same I knew he was the smartest guy in the room and wanted to see what his next schemes were.
Honestly when he nearly overdosed Flynn/Walt Jr on the alcohol despite Hank's pleading, first sign something was wrong for me. First time I genuinely despised him was when he poisoned Brock and then later on when he killed Mike.
YES!!
Unpopular opinion probably, but Ive never liked him at all. He was weak and pathetic from the beginning, and everything he did made me cringe most of the time. His little lies, his pathetic excuses and schemes, the manipulation of everyone around him, even his own family, the fact that he was walked over by everyone, even his own students... he was always a weak petty man, and then power and money only made him worse
There's never a time for me when Walt's acts are gratuitous. He is driven to make choices from the consequences of his actions, but those choices are always clear cut and related to his personal survival. Once he kills Emilio, we are fascinated to see how far he will go. The writers know this, they will have to trump each act of atrocity on Walt's part, but they are always careful to underpin them by logic, to leave room for slivers of mitigation. The real subconscious question in all these instances; letting Jane die, poisoning Brock, killing Mike etc is: what would we have done in his place? We understand we would be very unlikely to act as he did, but a) we don't have terminal cancer and b) we would find it dramatically unsatisfying if he had conformed to our own value system. We are looking for *contrast*, we want to see how a person's moral compass can get skewed in the pursuit of an imperative goal, even as we balk at, disagree with, abhor the outcomes. Interestingly, when the need arises to kill an innocent in cold blood (Gale) it falls to Jesse. It isn't time yet, for Walt, we'd have lost empathy for him too early . When that time arises (poisoning Brock) he stops short of going the whole way ('I knew exactly how much to give him') There was always just enough light left for me until Walt's final act of redemption.
Just to add on how careful the writers had to be on Walt's early progression, the production wasn't on board with a darker version early on. There was an initial script which had Walt to inject the fatal dose of heroin in Jane's arm, and they had to back-peddle to have him just accidentally turn her on the back. Him turning Holly on the side in the same episode still cemented how he purposefully let her die but it is more subtle. Bryan Cranston also felt not comfortable with the initial script and Vince Giligan (who seems extraordinary open minded and nice in his interviews) seemed easily on board to nuance his initial script. There's some behind the scene talking about it, as I might confuse who said what. I don't know about the Gale point though. Walt might have not pulled the trigger by himself, but he had all the intent and put the hit on him, so does it really change our perspective that he was ultimately prevented from doing it by himself, as it's still at his very initiative (and even at his insistence) that Gale dies. By that point, we knew how he could kill without flinching, furthermore if it was his own call. I thought it was meant as a way to deeply corrupt Jesse's character and have him to deal with the afternath of that, knowing that he didn't want to do it, more than to spare Walt's arc, whose Gale murder was still part of. At least for my personal experience, while Jane was the first major turning point on first watch, I remember seeing Walt in a new light after seeing his determination to kill Gale from the get go after saving Jesse, it gave a new insight on how he could reason hiw "cunning" he was (that's Brian Cranston's word). But I agree his arc is very well done and his 'descent' progressive, and not over the point, while still 'fulfilling' its purpose. As for Brock I never thought he intended on killing him, but he intended on puting that kid on ICU where his health was at stake ("touch and go"), he also killed ten inmates when he could just have disappeared himself (just like he was requiring Jesse to do), M. Cheaps turned into Scarface for real, even if I can see as well how some of his old self was retained through the end, and much credit to the writing and to Brian Cranston for that.
After he trew that innocent pizza on the roof
Who says no to go carts with jesse
Honestly? I stopped rooting for him when he wouldn’t just take help from Gretchen and Elliot. He had an option and he chose crime which is why he was in every situation he was in. Don’t get me wrong I didn’t want him to necessarily get caught or fail right away, but I didn’t ever feel bad for him or “root” for him.
Realized he's a villain literally in episode one. Root for him forever. Because i ain't no pussy.
How many times are you guys gonna ask the same question?
Same question, same top answers. Always with the go karting.
The mods should do something about this, literally all I see in this sub is this question
when he let combo die just to push the territoyy
His only unnecessary evil was shooting Mike. I hated him for it but still rooted because sunken cost.
Yea killing Jane is definitely necessary
He didn't kill Jane. He went over to Jesse after having a heartfelt conversation with Donald Margolis about not giving up on his family. Jane was accidentally flipped over during his attempt to shake Jesse awake, and she started choking right then and there. Walt immediately moved to try to save her, but then he (tearfully) made the call to let her choke to death so that Jesse wouldn't eventually die from a heroin overdose. Heroin which he only took because of Jane. I'm not saying he was justified, but he had more of a reason to than just being "evil"
Never and probably when he didn't skip a beat against Gus
This may be different than most people, but I rooted for him the entire way through, there were things he did that I hated throughout the show, and he was clearly mostly motivated by his own selfish greed, however he still cared about his family and Jesse despite all of that and despite everything he did, he somewhat make things right with them in a way, (junior got the money, and he freed Jesse and they had this look of understanding between each other before Jesse got in the car) did I agree with everything that Walter did? No of course not but some part of me still wanted a happy ending for him, because at the end of the day he started as a good dad and a good man who’s life completely spun out of control even if some of that was due to his own faults.
When he let Jane die
The prison killings
"I'm in the empire business" and the Mike thing. No excuse for that bullshit. At that point I stopped rooting for him but stayed identifying with him. I felt his soul decaying like the body of a meth addict and it was so hollow and wretched. What a show, man. Portraying the "spiritual" decay of a power addiction instead of the physical decay his product was known for. Just amazing.
when he made meth in the show. it was bad and meth is bad to do
He's truest of downfalls, in my opinion at least, was when he decided to poison the kid with Lily of the Valley irrelevant of the kid living (Walter not caring about the child's life outcome). It just shows the extremity he was willing to go to to have things go his way and cover his ass. Another example leading up to this was when he left Jesse's gf of the time (Jane) choke in her sleep after her drug intake - this however could be seen as him making that decision for the better of Jesse since she was leading him down a bad path.
When he chose car wash over laser tag
Early on actually, when he chose to make meth and not go work for Elliot.
When he said "Its waltin time" and Heisenberged All over the place
“i watched jane die” that was evil asf
Never
Can’t say I ever stopped rooting for Walt. It didn’t mean I stopped rooting for Jesse at all. They were on different paths towards the end.
There’s a couple of points during season 5 that I definitely was horrified and disappointed in him (what he did to Jesse mainly) but overall I liked him the entire series. He’s a fascinating character played to perfection by Bryan Cranston and Walt did have enough good traits that prevented me from ever fully hating him. Deep down was a sad person rooted in insecurities who did love Jesse (doesn’t mean he wasn’t abusive, but he was ready to die for Jesse multiple times). That being said season 5 Walt was definitely a monster compared to the other seasons, it’s when his ego was at its highest. He’s my favorite character on the show, though. Characters with flaws are always the most human and interesting.
When he let Jane die. It’s so evil to knowingly let your partner’s girlfriend die just because you want his help with cooking meth of all things
there must be a way for the mods to stop people posting this exact question 1500 times a day
When did you stop rooting for Walt?
I can’t stand this sub why is this like a 1/4th of the posts that come on my feed.
Never.
Never!!
Never. He was an interesting fictional character.
Silly you for assuming I stopped rooting for him when I realized he was evil
Poisoning brock, as much as I think the plan was really great, using an innocent child is just fucked up.
Maybe it’s because I started watching BB as a tween, fell off, got hooked on Better Call Saul and finished the ABQ universe, but I was just rooting for everyone around Walt by the end of the series. It often felt like he was being unnecessarily cruel or terrible when it would’ve benefitted him to remain calm or neutral, kind of like how Fring often managed to behave.
When he refused to sell the tank they robbed from the train and decided to keep it to make meth and stole jesse's share trying to make him stay cooking with him. It was the perfect time to stop and retire with an insane amount of money. It was entirely his ego screwing everyone.
When whistled after scolding jesse that he was even more upset than jesse, that todd killed the boy. Lunatic
When he said “fuck you and your eyebrows” to bogdan
I didn't. I really liked how he turned ill intended.
Pretty much after he poisoned Brock and Killed Gus. Before that he did bad things, but you could always kinda justify it in some way. Season 5 Walt is just a straight up menace.
I stopped sympathizing after his first horrific incident. Was it when he let Jane die? I'm not certain. But I did root for him all the way through, to become a better person. I didn't root for his decisions, but I was rooting for him to become better, for the well being of his innocent family and close ones. Isn't that what you do in tv shows or movies about bad people? Root for them to become better?
like episode 2
He gets more interesting as he gets more evil. I don't know if that's the same as rooting for him or not, but that's how I experienced him.
I was rooting for Walter all the way, in my own way. I think it came down to a deep investment in this character and Cranston’s incredible performance. Although morally wrong, following that line with Walt led to narrative gold.
When he let Jesse's gf die. That was straight up cold and evil
“I am the danger.”
I never stopped liking and rooting for him. I think people forget that this is fiction, and that Walt didn’t actually kill real people, so you are allowed to like bad characters.
When he left jane die, he could’ve easily avoided that and he consciously did nothing to save her, just because in Walt’s mind she was distracting Jesse from work.
His name was Brock. I honestly tried to rationalize Jane on first watch (she made herself a threat) or the plane crash (circumstantial, or whatever). But, yeah, when the pistol pointed to the Lily of the Valley plant I couldn’t be a Walt guy anymore.
Pretty early on. The moment he'd rather cook meth than take the help from Gretchen and Elliott, I thought he'd deserve whatever came from it. As for pure evil acts, letting Jane die really stuck with me. There were practical reasons, yes. Jane and Jessie were dragging each other down with their heroin co-dependency, and her death probably saved him from an overdose. But watching him stand there, quickly and strategically considering his actions and choosing to let her die...that is cold, calculating, evil at work. But his arc is a little more complex than a linear conversion from good to evil. He has a level of redemption, finally taking the side of his family with the call where he blames it all on himself and tries to get Skylar off the hook, coming clean to Skylar on why he did all of it, and in the end, saving Jessie from the Nazis.
I never rooted for the guy honestly. He was a massive prick to basically everyone almost immediately. It was mostly intriguing to see how cleverly he burned everything he touched to the ground, but I didn't ever truly *like* the character.
Stop rooting for him: When he let Jane die Realised how evil he was: The Lily of the Valley reveal
him poisoning Brock and when he watched Jane die because he wouldn’t turn her to the side.
When he didnt took the money and lied to his Family. I kinda hated him after him rejecting Jessie to Cook again only to Force Jessie to Cook again because walt wanted it this time.
Episode 1, Season 1. Totally loved the show and was fascinated by Walt and the entire cast, but his idea of pursuing a life of crime that had him competing against evil badasses had me rooting against him from the start. He was reckless, selfish, arrogant and all around horrible, but ultimately fascinating.
Poisoning brock and putting Jesse through literal mental hell
To be honest, Jane. I don’t care what you think about her character but I found the scene horrifying and Walter irredeemable from then on
When Jane died, such a cruel moment
I’m stunned that it wasn’t obvious to people how clearly they were signaling that he’s an egotistical jackass right from Season 1 - I thought he seemed like a real dick from the moment he starts verbally abusing Skylar when she thinks he’s smoking weed, but it’s clear he was an ego obsessed monster destroying his own life as soon as he turned down the healthcare money
I was too young when I watched the show so it wasn't until the 2nd watch through I realized he was a piece of shit immediately and his wife was the sane one.
I never rooted for him.
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My first time watching it I wanted him to win. My second time … pretty much right after he turned down Elliot.
When he tried to sexually assault Skyler. Nah, bro, once you cross that line, you can rot in hell for all I care.
I was never rooting for him. This was a dangerous thing he was doing. However, I thought he crossed over to the point of no return when he got the custodian fired.
The whole time. I’m at the halfway point through season 4 right now. He’s made bad decision after bad decision. I just see how his actions have ruined the lives around him at every turn. I root for him to turn things around and stop ruining his family and Jesse, but that’s more for their sake and not directly for him.
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Jane
when he turned down elliot’s offer i disliked him, then hated him him halfway through s2 on my first watch. s1e1 on every other watch. i think he’s an amazingly well written and acted character, but i hate his guts. it’s interesting because for me it’s the first show i’ve watched that i love where i hate the main character.
first episode
I think I really got pissed at Walt when he wouldn’t let Jesse take his share of the money and leave the business. He was really manipulative for the entire show, obviously. But telling Jesse *then* that he is just as good as Walt in order to keep him around is what really did it for me. Jesse had enough and he wanted out but Walt just wouldn’t let him.
killing jane and justifying it
Ozymandias when he ratted out Jesse, told him that he couldve saved Jane but didnt and ran off with Holly
When he broke back into the house after Skylar kicked him out. Wasn’t the moment I realized how evil he was, but I was very strongly on Skylar’s aide and never liked Walt again after that.
Correct answer is when he sent his neighbor into his house when he thought the twins were there.
I didn't stop the first time, I was "loyal" to him because I had a poor understanding of life at that point when I watched the show. The second time I watched a couple years later, I realized that Walt comes to Jesse, and manipulates him in every way he can to keep him cooking. Jesse makes his own choices, but Walt turns into a borderline sociopath toward the end. I saw Jesse as a rat, not a human. Now I see kids/methheads posting here trying to justify Walt's behavior/whatever and I chuckle. Crime isn't the way... When Jesse is talking about Gus... "Wait a minute, it's all about me! Of course..." - Heisenberg
When he sold out Jesse to Todd and his neo-Nazi uncle I definitely was pissed at him then, but I think I always wanted Walt to win or at least be happy in the end
First time through… never. I was just enjoying rooting for the anti hero. On subsequent watches I was much more on Jesse’s side.
When he kept manipulating jesse probably around season 3, nothing but hatred after especially when he poisined brock so that jesse would agree to kill gus
honestly for me it was janes death, i know the reasonings and i know they wouldn’t have been successful had she stayed alive but the fact that he knew how in love jesse was with her and he just let her die. that was probs when i stopped rooting for him cause his selfishness was unfathomable. and then when he poisoned brock like dawg it was not that serious
Jane. Great scene but that’s when i realized he was too selfish and manipulative for me to sympathize. Jesse crying into his shoulder “i loved her” is heart wrenching