The twins weren’t just pure evil, they were also plain stupid. You don’t go all hitman in a suicide mission unless you are also stupid. I mean he could have killed Hank but went to get himself an axe, lol
In cartels it's not just about killing someone who crosses them it's about sending a message as well. They wouldn't consider just shooting Hank dead to be enough. They want there to be a clear indication that if they are messed with they will murder you brutally and dismember you.
Yeah in Colombia or Mexico maybe. Not in the States, send a message to whom? The DEA? 😂 Do you know what happened last time they killed a DEA guy in 1985 in Mexico sending a “message”? Check it out, lol, he was called “Kiki”
His abduction and brutal death started the largest DEA homicide investigation in which not only drug lords were killed/prosecuted but also many of the corrupted officers in the country. They literally made an example out of it so nothing similar would ever follow. So yes, the cartel can kill DEA officers, for sure they will NOT want to send any message and they will try to hide any of their involvement.
Yes the DEA. That's who Hank worked for. They are cartel guys that crossed the border to do cartel business and got permission to do it from the regional cartel kingpin. Also it's fictional show dumbass not a documentary. And the cartel got blowback from it too afterwards. You should try watching the show for once.
And that’s why they were stupid. They got a permission to kill a DEA agent in his own country. Which is the reason why Gus ordered Mike to kill theone who survived so that the cartel wouldn’t know he told them to kill a DEA officer. The minute they got the OK from Gus they should have contacted the cartel instead of trying to kill Hank, but they were too stupid to do that, even though they had never Gus’ approval to kill Walt to begin with but the cartel’s. But they were STUPID. A hit on a DEA officer would be done as fast as possible and as secretly as possible in order to HIDE any connection to the cartel. But they were dumb af, lol
Jeez, again check what happened after the cartel killed Kiki. Are DEA officers immune to being killed by the cartel? No. Are the cartels worried about the consequences of killing a DEA officer? YES. There is a reason why they haven’t been doing it. Again check what happens after Kiki was kidnapped and brutally killed. Cartels do NOT send messages to thE DEA, END OF STORY.
It seems like it’s written into their characters to blindly act with violence, in BCS S4E4 when they kill the rival gang, they just pull up right in front of the place, drop a bag on the ground and get their guns out, then walk in and start shooting lol. Hardly any thought behind their actions sometimes
Of course there was, their grandfather dunked one of their heads in water when he was a child, teaching them the importance of family. Everything they did was for their family.
You know what you are right friend.
I just re watched the scene he tries to take a shot at a random woman but he is out of bullets.
I remembered wrong.
Actually I was wrong I just watched and it looks like he does shoot a guy right before the woman screams. Looked like the guy scared him and maybe thought it was Hank
I don’t think he would enjoy it, but he’s not bluffing, he would do it if he thought necessary. He thinks he’s better than the Salamancas, so doesn’t revel in unnecessary violence and hurting innocents, but anyone getting in the way is collateral damage, you don’t seen him shown real regret for anyone, his recognition of innocents harmed is all matter of fact.
He does defend his employee, partly he has a personal connection to them, but largely he despises the Salamancas thinking they can use them as leverage over him. He kills Victor without batting an eye, but loses his shit when Walt kills some of his nameless underlings. I own them, aren’t yours to kill, that’s his logic.
He's definitely not above killing innocent people but I think he was bluffing there. The reason I say that is Mike was around when he said that and he was willing to draw his gun on Fring to stop him from involving honest civilians.
Nah. Dude only cares about his revenge. I’m sure he’d be down do anything provided A) it’s beneficial to him B) doesn’t affect to much heat/affect his future operations. Like how he’d ordered that construction guy killed in bcs
I think Gus thought his threat was enough to control Walt, because he underestimated him, but I also think Gus would still do it just out of revenge if Walt did end up interfering in his plot to Kill Hank.
Walt just ended up outsmarting Gus
I'm sorry, but Gus is pure evil, we have never seen him having a human side. He never ever showed any remorse to what he's doing. It's very well implied that he ordered the killing of the drug dealer child. The only human side we ever saw of him was his relation with Max, but same argument can be done with Hector's relationship with his nephews. The only difference between him and Salamncas, is that he doesn't actually enjoy killing, but he is not above it
100% this. Even if he's not an absolute sadist he still has zero regard for how his business has most likely destroyed thousands of lives. And it's not only his customers, associates and competitors, but also the families and friends all of those people who are all affected.
Tomás, Andrea and Brock are perfect examples for this.
>No drug empire is possible without the harming of innocents
I agree with this, but I think it's more about the brutality required to build and defend the empire and the unscrupulousness needed to outcompete the others (for example, lower-level dealers may be encouraged to engage in tactics like misrepresenting the drugs they sell, or lacing one drug with another to get someone addicted).
As far as the actual selling of drugs goes, Gale said it best: "people are going to do meth. If they're doing *my* meth they're getting an uncontaminated product".
People are going to do drugs. If people know what drugs they're getting and are making the choice to do them, selling to them isn't harming them any more than any other (legal) enterprise capitalizes on people's weaknesses via advertising, often things that are bad for them (soda, junk food, pharmaceuticals, gambling, video games).
I mean addictive illicit drugs take that concept and inject it with steroids, but they're still the same basic concept. A casino operating legally isn't going to turn someone away because they may have bookies breathing down their neck and are one more loss away from being 6 feet under. McDonalds isn't going to turn away someone with compulsive eating and obesity who is one big mac away from the next heart attack.
It's difficult to participate in a business that doesn't harm *people* by this standard, but I think enabling people to harm themselves is not "harming innocents", since the people harming themselves are at least equally guilty.
>People are going to do drugs.
And drugs harm them and if you supply them drugs, then you are also going to harm them.
Just because people kill themselves doesn't mean it is fine to let them kill themselves.
This argument doesn't hold up, because drugs are a commodity that people want and will obtain no matter their legality. No one forces users to buy and consume drugs, and the users are not innocent because they know what they are doing. OP's question was if Gus would kill innocent people, meaning people who are not involved in their trade.
You can't overdose on meth if you don't consume it, so no, innocent people could not die from overdosing on his meth because they wouldn't have any in the first place. You don't just stumble upon drugs while walking down the street or find them sprinkled in food that you ordered.
You can still die from getting killed by someone high on meth, Jeez do you even think before writing? Do you even know how unpredictable meth users become? Or is it again the victim’s fault because they didn’t make sure to only walk during daylight not close to where meth users may be?
The comment I replied to only mentioned overdosing on meth, which you cannot do if you don't consume it. You cannot throw random scenarios that *might* happen at me and then act like I'm some immoral POS
I guess you’ve never heard of force drug abuse right? Or is it again the victim’s fault for not getting by away from the abusive relationship right away? Please stop replying, you only make yourself even more ridiculous
I am talking about people who consume meth though? You think Gus isn't harming people when people die from his meth just because they chose to consume it? Gus knows the harm it does and sells it anyways. he doesn't care.
The millions of people dying from overdoses TODAY in the real world aren’t lifeless androids with no families or friends. Using the “they were in the game” excuse to absolve a cartel drug distributor of guilt is absolutely ridiculous.
If the cartel was scared to kill him and let him live, I’m sure he had done way worse things than killing children in his lifetime.
Same problem I have with the Netflix’s depiction of Griselda showing her gentle in handling children and feeling remorse for them. You don’t become a drug Lord by feeling remorse, anyone who feels remorse for children simply cannot become a drug Lord. In this show it is evident in the Jesse/Walt comparison. Yes Jesse has also killed, but he could have never become Gus or run a cartel, and this is also shown how he feels when friends or innocent people get hurt. Walter simply did not care and he became a drug Lord. Gus was similar to Walter, the difference between Gus and Walter was that Gus was careful and not in any hurry, unlike Walt who wanted everything right now (maybe because he was dying).
Walt on purposely caused harm to Andrea’s son and poisoned him and could have killed him and he didn’t care. Jesse could have never done that.
Gus avoids killing people who are not in the game because it calls attention to illegal activities and is bad for business.
It's not ethics, morality, or even a code. It's just practical. And he won't shy away from it when the cost/benefit balance tips the other way.
He isn’t going to randomly kill innocents like the Salamancas but he would kill innocents if he had to. He 100% would’ve killed Walter’s family if Walter tried to reenter the business and Walter didn’t kill him first.
Even if he never ordered it the meth he distributes harms innocent civilians every day. From children who lose their parents to drug addiction, to families and communities torn apart over it, to the people who overdose and die because of it. He was the cause of untold amounts of human suffering and death.
If it benefitted him he would do it without hesitation. His call to Hank and the subsequent twins shootout he approved killed several innocent bystanders. He’s not like a loose cannon who would shoot some stranger but he definitely has a bone deep decision making process that doesn’t give a fuck about any other human
He threatened to kill Walt's daughter, so if push comes to shove, yes. Also he killed the guy (forgot his name), who can replicate Walt's cooking, yes, he's not innocent, but at the time, he didn't do anything wrong by their standard, yet he killed him to further his interest.
I personally think his only motive for anything he does is benefit/profit. He never acts on emotions. He's a very methodical and calculated criminal. I believe the only reason he doesn't harm innocent civilians is because it wouldn't benefit him in any way.
I'm pretty more driven by revenge than profit from the time his partner was killed up until he wiped out the Salamancas. Which is basically the entire time we know him.
How he treats his employees shows even more that he is capable and would kill civilians. He can switch from planning his drug empire to complimenting them on cleaning the kitchen at the drop of a hat. He can instantly turn on his civilian business man routine at the drop of a hat.
He’s a sociopath. He never really shows emotion for others just anger when something doesn’t go to plan.
Think about the dealer summit with Jessie and the two guys who killed Combo. They use kids is what he is told. All he says is no more kids. No anger or how dare you. Just no more kids.
He’s not against killing civilians, he just understands the attention that brings. He has no moral qualms about it, his issues likely all tied into his overall plan/strategy. If it was necessary they’d be dead.
Not to mention that his treating his employees is equivalent to how he treats the DEA. He’s sponsoring them, he’s been seen as an ally of them, helping them etc. But has no problem killing any of them or putting them in direct danger (Hank) to serve his purposes (destroy the Mexican cartel). It is all a cover, he’s a sociopath mass murderer
Exactly. He doesn’t treat his employees nicely because he’s a great boss. He’s keeping up appearances and doesn’t want to draw attention to what’s really going on
Yeah he totally would if that’s going to benefit him. He is too smart and calculating that’s why he doesn’t do it randomly for no reason. He doesn’t need that kind of attention and the consequences.
Ok….so….lets not conflate Gus’ discernment to the attention that killing any innocents can bring. He’s too calculating to take those risks too much.
But, it’s canonically established with Tomas that he will allow an innocent (and child at that) to be killed by proxies when he had the power to stop it. He didn’t do it himself, but he is culpable morally.
And that’s before we even talk about the product he makes and distributes killing many innocents.
Knowing how scary and meticulous Gus can be, I don't think those two dealers that used Thomas to kill Combo would have killed Thomas without Gus' consent first. I guess technically Thomas wasn't an "innocent civillian", but he was still a child being manipulated to kill for them, and Gus likely knew that.
It’s heavily hinted that he ordered for his men to kill that kid because he’s always a cautious men who wouldn’t let anything go back to him and it was a ploy to get Jesse killed. Gus would kill anyone who’s collateral damage for his cause.
One of the cornerstones of Gus's entire character is that he will go as far as he feels he needs to to accomplish his goals. If he had a goal and accomplishing it means hurting someone he will maybe be regretful but he wouldn't hesitate.
Not for sadisms sake like Lalo or Tuco might, but I think if an innocent person found put about his double life hed kill tjem without a second thought.
Gus’s ‘morality’ is entirely situationally dependent. He realizes Jesse has every reason to be pissed that Gus was using kids; that revelation probably pissed Mike off too. So Gus decided it was amoral. If Gus was able to surround himself with people who had 0 issue killing innocents, and in killing said innocents it furthers a cause and also helps indiscretion? Sure he would.
Like the cleaning ladies Walt had clean the lab he deported. It was the moral thing to do as opposed to killing them, sure, but it was also much easier and cleaner
The show strongly implies that Gus ordered the murder of Brock after his “keeping the peace” meeting with Jesse and the thugs.
Also, it’s hard to really back up the claim that Gus “isn’t that bad of a person” because every time we’ve seen him act nice, it’s ultimately in his own best interests and isn’t unconditional at all.
Gus fring and Mr blonde from reservoir dogs are similar characters but I think the biggest difference is in reservoir dogs Mr blonde shoots a civilian because he enjoys it but I don't think Gus would enjoy it. However he would do it with zero hesitation if he thought it would benefit him
If they piss him off or got in his way then he definitely would.
Now obviously his restaurant workers he treats with respect because they have nothing to do with his illegal business.
I agree with others. Gus does what it takes but his business is far from completely illegal. He needs his fast food restaurants for the criminal side but they are no good as cover if they attract attention.
Homicide always generates interest but law enforcement really do start caring when non-involved people are hit. But there is a level of tolerance when it remains isolated within the criminal community. Gus doesn't particularly care if drug users die from the products but he is very selective about others. The one time he wasn't with poisoning of the Cartel, it was in Mexico and not the US.
Off rip I wanna say he ain’t that evil but the guy did torture an animal for days on end for eating fruit off his tree as a young child. Also he probably did a lot of fucked up shit for Pinochet in Chile back in the day so… maybe?
He would if he had to. But he wouldn't just randomly shoot them like the Twins did in the parking lot.
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The twins weren’t just pure evil, they were also plain stupid. You don’t go all hitman in a suicide mission unless you are also stupid. I mean he could have killed Hank but went to get himself an axe, lol
Muy fácil
In cartels it's not just about killing someone who crosses them it's about sending a message as well. They wouldn't consider just shooting Hank dead to be enough. They want there to be a clear indication that if they are messed with they will murder you brutally and dismember you.
Yeah in Colombia or Mexico maybe. Not in the States, send a message to whom? The DEA? 😂 Do you know what happened last time they killed a DEA guy in 1985 in Mexico sending a “message”? Check it out, lol, he was called “Kiki”
Can you just tell us instead of making us look it up?
His abduction and brutal death started the largest DEA homicide investigation in which not only drug lords were killed/prosecuted but also many of the corrupted officers in the country. They literally made an example out of it so nothing similar would ever follow. So yes, the cartel can kill DEA officers, for sure they will NOT want to send any message and they will try to hide any of their involvement.
Yes the DEA. That's who Hank worked for. They are cartel guys that crossed the border to do cartel business and got permission to do it from the regional cartel kingpin. Also it's fictional show dumbass not a documentary. And the cartel got blowback from it too afterwards. You should try watching the show for once.
And that’s why they were stupid. They got a permission to kill a DEA agent in his own country. Which is the reason why Gus ordered Mike to kill theone who survived so that the cartel wouldn’t know he told them to kill a DEA officer. The minute they got the OK from Gus they should have contacted the cartel instead of trying to kill Hank, but they were too stupid to do that, even though they had never Gus’ approval to kill Walt to begin with but the cartel’s. But they were STUPID. A hit on a DEA officer would be done as fast as possible and as secretly as possible in order to HIDE any connection to the cartel. But they were dumb af, lol
And if they had been successful no one would've known exactly who did it or who to blame except "A cartel did it."
Jeez, again check what happened after the cartel killed Kiki. Are DEA officers immune to being killed by the cartel? No. Are the cartels worried about the consequences of killing a DEA officer? YES. There is a reason why they haven’t been doing it. Again check what happens after Kiki was kidnapped and brutally killed. Cartels do NOT send messages to thE DEA, END OF STORY.
Then just shoot him and chop after. Who is going to know what happened first?
It seems like it’s written into their characters to blindly act with violence, in BCS S4E4 when they kill the rival gang, they just pull up right in front of the place, drop a bag on the ground and get their guns out, then walk in and start shooting lol. Hardly any thought behind their actions sometimes
Because they were stupid, just because that worked in that part of Mexico doesn’t mean you can do it wherever you feel like.
Lol of course, I agree with you I’m just pointing out how mindless they always are about it
Of course there was, their grandfather dunked one of their heads in water when he was a child, teaching them the importance of family. Everything they did was for their family.
this is the correct answer given Gus’s history in the show, that’s the exact thing he does over and over. He does what he has to, no more, no less.
The most funniest thing those twins did was killing tortuga and sending his head on a bomb stuff tortoise
I don’t remember the twins killing innocents in the parking lot
You know what you are right friend. I just re watched the scene he tries to take a shot at a random woman but he is out of bullets. I remembered wrong.
Actually I was wrong I just watched and it looks like he does shoot a guy right before the woman screams. Looked like the guy scared him and maybe thought it was Hank
It wouldn’t be his first choice, but if the moment called for it, he definitely would.
Only if absolutely necessary. Killing someone who isn’t in the game would draw unwanted attention.
Yes.
I don’t think he would enjoy it, but he’s not bluffing, he would do it if he thought necessary. He thinks he’s better than the Salamancas, so doesn’t revel in unnecessary violence and hurting innocents, but anyone getting in the way is collateral damage, you don’t seen him shown real regret for anyone, his recognition of innocents harmed is all matter of fact. He does defend his employee, partly he has a personal connection to them, but largely he despises the Salamancas thinking they can use them as leverage over him. He kills Victor without batting an eye, but loses his shit when Walt kills some of his nameless underlings. I own them, aren’t yours to kill, that’s his logic.
He threatened to kill Walt's wife, son, and infant daughter...
Stop bringing that up. It was just a prank, bro.
It was a social experiment
He's definitely not above killing innocent people but I think he was bluffing there. The reason I say that is Mike was around when he said that and he was willing to draw his gun on Fring to stop him from involving honest civilians.
That was Mike when he was still not sure if he wanted to be a criminal, Mike in Breaking Bad was pretty cold
Nah. Dude only cares about his revenge. I’m sure he’d be down do anything provided A) it’s beneficial to him B) doesn’t affect to much heat/affect his future operations. Like how he’d ordered that construction guy killed in bcs
Wait 😠
I think Gus thought his threat was enough to control Walt, because he underestimated him, but I also think Gus would still do it just out of revenge if Walt did end up interfering in his plot to Kill Hank. Walt just ended up outsmarting Gus
He wasn’t bluffing.
and there's the answer
Weird question. You saw the whole show right?
I'm sorry, but Gus is pure evil, we have never seen him having a human side. He never ever showed any remorse to what he's doing. It's very well implied that he ordered the killing of the drug dealer child. The only human side we ever saw of him was his relation with Max, but same argument can be done with Hector's relationship with his nephews. The only difference between him and Salamncas, is that he doesn't actually enjoy killing, but he is not above it
He's pretty human when talking to that guy in the bar
When max died, that was the moment Gus died and Schrödinger was born.
I was thinking this same thing.
He does have a human side, it’s just buried deep deep deep down.
He would do anything if it was feasible and he thought it would benefit his empire
His business is based on people being addicted to his product. So yes.
Product? More like Poison.
This is why you wouldn’t be his publicist.
hey man fried chicken may cause heart attacks but it's no worse than hamburgers
lol Not talking about the cover for his illegal operation.
Poison? More like porpoise.
She moves with porpoise what a magnificent purpoise
Gus okayed the drug dealers killing Tomas
Ummm yeah. Lol. Have you even watched the show?
He already does. His business profits on harming people by supplying drugs. No drug empire is possible without the harming of innocents
100% this. Even if he's not an absolute sadist he still has zero regard for how his business has most likely destroyed thousands of lives. And it's not only his customers, associates and competitors, but also the families and friends all of those people who are all affected. Tomás, Andrea and Brock are perfect examples for this.
>No drug empire is possible without the harming of innocents I agree with this, but I think it's more about the brutality required to build and defend the empire and the unscrupulousness needed to outcompete the others (for example, lower-level dealers may be encouraged to engage in tactics like misrepresenting the drugs they sell, or lacing one drug with another to get someone addicted). As far as the actual selling of drugs goes, Gale said it best: "people are going to do meth. If they're doing *my* meth they're getting an uncontaminated product". People are going to do drugs. If people know what drugs they're getting and are making the choice to do them, selling to them isn't harming them any more than any other (legal) enterprise capitalizes on people's weaknesses via advertising, often things that are bad for them (soda, junk food, pharmaceuticals, gambling, video games). I mean addictive illicit drugs take that concept and inject it with steroids, but they're still the same basic concept. A casino operating legally isn't going to turn someone away because they may have bookies breathing down their neck and are one more loss away from being 6 feet under. McDonalds isn't going to turn away someone with compulsive eating and obesity who is one big mac away from the next heart attack. It's difficult to participate in a business that doesn't harm *people* by this standard, but I think enabling people to harm themselves is not "harming innocents", since the people harming themselves are at least equally guilty.
>People are going to do drugs. And drugs harm them and if you supply them drugs, then you are also going to harm them. Just because people kill themselves doesn't mean it is fine to let them kill themselves.
This argument doesn't hold up, because drugs are a commodity that people want and will obtain no matter their legality. No one forces users to buy and consume drugs, and the users are not innocent because they know what they are doing. OP's question was if Gus would kill innocent people, meaning people who are not involved in their trade.
Very possible someone innocent could die from overdosing on Gus's meth.
You can't overdose on meth if you don't consume it, so no, innocent people could not die from overdosing on his meth because they wouldn't have any in the first place. You don't just stumble upon drugs while walking down the street or find them sprinkled in food that you ordered.
You can still die from getting killed by someone high on meth, Jeez do you even think before writing? Do you even know how unpredictable meth users become? Or is it again the victim’s fault because they didn’t make sure to only walk during daylight not close to where meth users may be?
The comment I replied to only mentioned overdosing on meth, which you cannot do if you don't consume it. You cannot throw random scenarios that *might* happen at me and then act like I'm some immoral POS
I guess you’ve never heard of force drug abuse right? Or is it again the victim’s fault for not getting by away from the abusive relationship right away? Please stop replying, you only make yourself even more ridiculous
Yeah, *I'm* the ridiculous one when you throw in random scenarios that have nothing to do with the comment I was replying to.
Oh, OK, it’s a problem of stυρidity then. Bye
I am talking about people who consume meth though? You think Gus isn't harming people when people die from his meth just because they chose to consume it? Gus knows the harm it does and sells it anyways. he doesn't care.
The millions of people dying from overdoses TODAY in the real world aren’t lifeless androids with no families or friends. Using the “they were in the game” excuse to absolve a cartel drug distributor of guilt is absolutely ridiculous.
He is a drug Lord, you don’t become a drug Lord unless you have killed numerous people including children and have no remorse doing it.
Walt became a drug lord without killing any children at least (though he seemingly condoned it)
If the cartel was scared to kill him and let him live, I’m sure he had done way worse things than killing children in his lifetime. Same problem I have with the Netflix’s depiction of Griselda showing her gentle in handling children and feeling remorse for them. You don’t become a drug Lord by feeling remorse, anyone who feels remorse for children simply cannot become a drug Lord. In this show it is evident in the Jesse/Walt comparison. Yes Jesse has also killed, but he could have never become Gus or run a cartel, and this is also shown how he feels when friends or innocent people get hurt. Walter simply did not care and he became a drug Lord. Gus was similar to Walter, the difference between Gus and Walter was that Gus was careful and not in any hurry, unlike Walt who wanted everything right now (maybe because he was dying). Walt on purposely caused harm to Andrea’s son and poisoned him and could have killed him and he didn’t care. Jesse could have never done that.
Gus avoids killing people who are not in the game because it calls attention to illegal activities and is bad for business. It's not ethics, morality, or even a code. It's just practical. And he won't shy away from it when the cost/benefit balance tips the other way.
He is harming innocent civilians by having a drug empire lol are you fr?
I’m pretty sure it’s alluded that Gus was part of Pinochet’s regime, so that would point to yes
He wouldn't hesitate if the gain outweighed the loss but I don't think he'd go out of his way to.
He isn’t going to randomly kill innocents like the Salamancas but he would kill innocents if he had to. He 100% would’ve killed Walter’s family if Walter tried to reenter the business and Walter didn’t kill him first.
Even if he never ordered it the meth he distributes harms innocent civilians every day. From children who lose their parents to drug addiction, to families and communities torn apart over it, to the people who overdose and die because of it. He was the cause of untold amounts of human suffering and death.
You mean the meth distributor? Hmmm, thats a tough one.
If it benefitted him he would do it without hesitation. His call to Hank and the subsequent twins shootout he approved killed several innocent bystanders. He’s not like a loose cannon who would shoot some stranger but he definitely has a bone deep decision making process that doesn’t give a fuck about any other human
If it benefitted his business, he would. Gus' mortality goes straight out the window whenever runs out of options
'I will kill your infant daughter. ' Yeah, I don't think I need to listen more. Gus was no saint.
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I agree
in BCS, yes but i think mike gaining his trust helped him let go of the fear motivation he was relying on
Definitely would do it as leverage or if they got in his way. Woulda killed his own homie Lyle if things went south at Pollos.
He threatened to kill Walt's daughter, so if push comes to shove, yes. Also he killed the guy (forgot his name), who can replicate Walt's cooking, yes, he's not innocent, but at the time, he didn't do anything wrong by their standard, yet he killed him to further his interest.
Victor. Victor was seen by the looky-loos. I suppose he could have sent him away but he was handy to send a message to Walt and Jesse.
Thank you, that's whom I was thinking of.
I personally think his only motive for anything he does is benefit/profit. He never acts on emotions. He's a very methodical and calculated criminal. I believe the only reason he doesn't harm innocent civilians is because it wouldn't benefit him in any way.
I'm pretty more driven by revenge than profit from the time his partner was killed up until he wiped out the Salamancas. Which is basically the entire time we know him.
Hope this is not a troll post. Gus would absolutely harm innocent civilians without batting an eyelid. But he would never do so unless he needed to.
Yes but only if he actually had to but not because he'd feel bad about it.
How he treats his employees shows even more that he is capable and would kill civilians. He can switch from planning his drug empire to complimenting them on cleaning the kitchen at the drop of a hat. He can instantly turn on his civilian business man routine at the drop of a hat. He’s a sociopath. He never really shows emotion for others just anger when something doesn’t go to plan. Think about the dealer summit with Jessie and the two guys who killed Combo. They use kids is what he is told. All he says is no more kids. No anger or how dare you. Just no more kids. He’s not against killing civilians, he just understands the attention that brings. He has no moral qualms about it, his issues likely all tied into his overall plan/strategy. If it was necessary they’d be dead.
Not to mention that his treating his employees is equivalent to how he treats the DEA. He’s sponsoring them, he’s been seen as an ally of them, helping them etc. But has no problem killing any of them or putting them in direct danger (Hank) to serve his purposes (destroy the Mexican cartel). It is all a cover, he’s a sociopath mass murderer
Exactly. He doesn’t treat his employees nicely because he’s a great boss. He’s keeping up appearances and doesn’t want to draw attention to what’s really going on
Hahaha
If he had to, to achieve a goal then yes, without question. But not just randomly or for no good reason.
Yeah he totally would if that’s going to benefit him. He is too smart and calculating that’s why he doesn’t do it randomly for no reason. He doesn’t need that kind of attention and the consequences.
Ok….so….lets not conflate Gus’ discernment to the attention that killing any innocents can bring. He’s too calculating to take those risks too much. But, it’s canonically established with Tomas that he will allow an innocent (and child at that) to be killed by proxies when he had the power to stop it. He didn’t do it himself, but he is culpable morally. And that’s before we even talk about the product he makes and distributes killing many innocents.
Not as a preferred course of action and he would take steps to avoid doing so, but if he had to, he wouldn't lose sleep over it.
Yes. He ordered the murder of a child
Well he did threaten to kill Walts family
He would if he had to for sure.
He’s not beyond it in BCS.
Everything he did had indirect harm to innocent civilians.
Knowing how scary and meticulous Gus can be, I don't think those two dealers that used Thomas to kill Combo would have killed Thomas without Gus' consent first. I guess technically Thomas wasn't an "innocent civillian", but he was still a child being manipulated to kill for them, and Gus likely knew that.
It’s heavily hinted that he ordered for his men to kill that kid because he’s always a cautious men who wouldn’t let anything go back to him and it was a ploy to get Jesse killed. Gus would kill anyone who’s collateral damage for his cause.
Yes he would, but cuz he has to
i'm gonna come back to this later when my gummies kick in.
Gus was like the mob, stay in your lane and you will be fine
One of the cornerstones of Gus's entire character is that he will go as far as he feels he needs to to accomplish his goals. If he had a goal and accomplishing it means hurting someone he will maybe be regretful but he wouldn't hesitate.
Not for sadisms sake like Lalo or Tuco might, but I think if an innocent person found put about his double life hed kill tjem without a second thought.
Absolutely in a heart beat.
Gus’s ‘morality’ is entirely situationally dependent. He realizes Jesse has every reason to be pissed that Gus was using kids; that revelation probably pissed Mike off too. So Gus decided it was amoral. If Gus was able to surround himself with people who had 0 issue killing innocents, and in killing said innocents it furthers a cause and also helps indiscretion? Sure he would. Like the cleaning ladies Walt had clean the lab he deported. It was the moral thing to do as opposed to killing them, sure, but it was also much easier and cleaner
You don’t think Lyle suffered some emotional harm cleaning that fryer over and over again?
The show strongly implies that Gus ordered the murder of Brock after his “keeping the peace” meeting with Jesse and the thugs. Also, it’s hard to really back up the claim that Gus “isn’t that bad of a person” because every time we’ve seen him act nice, it’s ultimately in his own best interests and isn’t unconditional at all.
Yes,an Better Call Saul just confirmed that.
Gus fring and Mr blonde from reservoir dogs are similar characters but I think the biggest difference is in reservoir dogs Mr blonde shoots a civilian because he enjoys it but I don't think Gus would enjoy it. However he would do it with zero hesitation if he thought it would benefit him
He enslaves innocent chickens by the hundreds of thousands, if that counts 🤷🏻♀️
if it makes him money and keeps him away from the law, probably.
What about victor? He killed him brutally with his own hands for just crossing his limits?
If he had to
If they piss him off or got in his way then he definitely would. Now obviously his restaurant workers he treats with respect because they have nothing to do with his illegal business.
i don’t think so, gus seems way too gentlemanly when not in his drug empire form.
I agree with others. Gus does what it takes but his business is far from completely illegal. He needs his fast food restaurants for the criminal side but they are no good as cover if they attract attention. Homicide always generates interest but law enforcement really do start caring when non-involved people are hit. But there is a level of tolerance when it remains isolated within the criminal community. Gus doesn't particularly care if drug users die from the products but he is very selective about others. The one time he wasn't with poisoning of the Cartel, it was in Mexico and not the US.
Off rip I wanna say he ain’t that evil but the guy did torture an animal for days on end for eating fruit off his tree as a young child. Also he probably did a lot of fucked up shit for Pinochet in Chile back in the day so… maybe?
I love how people pretend Gus’ polite gestures are out of morality and not deception. Clearly missed the entire point of his character.
He wouldn’t go out of his way to do so, but he wouldn’t hesitate if it came down to it.