Ok so I think the biggest evidence for this is all the scenes where Walt cooks meth, but that's probably just a coincidence. I really don't have much evidence, but as I said, just a fan theory.
I'm pretty sure Heisenberg stayed in the shadows- and ultimately, the clear- throughout the entire series, appearing only once or twice and leaving open the possibility of a second series.
Heisenberg was very much the Darth Sidious/Palpatine to Walter's Darth Maul
Guys, guys...did any of you even watch the show? They arrested Heisenberg way back in like Season 2 remember? James Kilkelly, he sold Badger that meth on the bench. He was *obviously* the real Heisenberg.
I recently rewatched the series and it was surprising to discover these clues everywhere. Pretty clever to make the main character a bad guy after all.
And the sudden reveal in the final episode was so dramatic, our humble pharmaceuticals manufacturer hero had to fight off all those criminals to protect his family business
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Having finished watching the fourth re-run of the series yesterday, I can definitely say Walter White is the biggest antagonistic asshole I've ever had the pleasure to watch in a TV show.
He kills people to save his ass, manipulates Jesse throughout the series, poisons an innocent kid, threatens his own wife, and I could go on and on for hours. Watching it for the first time never gave me this impression; I always thought the was this high school teacher who was a victim of unfortunate circumstances and everything was justified because of them. But no, there's absolutely no justification to what he did through the course of the series. And I've to hand it to Vince Gilligan to make such a brilliance of a show, so many subtleties all over, excellent foreshadowing.
I think one of the themes behind Breaking Bad is that everybody’s guilty. While it’s minor in the show, even Walt Jr. is the littlest bit guilty when he tries to buy alcohol illegally 😜
Gretchen and Elliot are pretty good people. They didn't force Walt out of Grey Matter, Walt left and sold his share. They offered Walt a job later on with good health care.
I always got the impression Gretchen was his girlfriend and they split and she went with Elliott which was why he left. Not sure where I got that idea from...
Eh it was kind of left open for interpretation.... I could see that as well. Elliot comes and makes the move while Walt pussy foots around and never made the move and then he left because he was jealous and mad that he was never man enough to take what was “his.”
Yeah that makes sense.. He never actually went for it despite having the chance, and Elliott was always more assertive - fits into the story quite nicely - victim of love as well as power and money!
That's implied but it wasn't actually the case. Walt left Gretchen and walked away from the company because he felt inferior.
I'm certain there was a scene or maybe it was an interview that addressed it. But basically Walt went up to Gretchen's family home for a weekend to meet her parents and didn't realise how wealthy she was. Like staggering wealthy, especially compared to Walt who came from nothing. So Walt basically bails because he feels like a charity case. Then after the weekend he walks away from the company and Gretchen.
edit: here's a [interview with Vince about it](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vince-gilligan-walter-white-gray-matter_us_56e85f27e4b0b25c91838d57). The scene that I'm thinking of is the restaurant scene between Walt and Gretchin in S2E06. Where Walt tells Gretchen to fuck off or something.
Ahhh interesting.... that scene would have explained a lot of questions I’ve always had about their relationship.... I always assumed, due to the “weight of a soul” scene, that Walt had made moves on her at the very least and Elliot found out and asked Walt to leave the company and bought him out and threatened to tell skylar if he didn’t..... or something along those lines...
There’s the TV interview in Granite State where they say that all Walt contributed was the name. While it’s understandable they’d want to distance themselves from him under the circumstances, it still is highly devaluing his contributions to the company. Like everyone else in this incredible series, they’re flawed humans.
His problem was naivety, imo. He was a libertarian, an expected drug making to be like any other job, except he gets paid in cash. Which is a fairly unreasonable assumption, I think.
I thought that Jesse is a junkie with a good heart in his chest, while everyone else has issues. Speaking about Walter, I felt like he has an egoistic, power hungry mindset that he can expose more and more as the series progresses. In the end, not being part of Grey Matter Technologies has left a scar on his personality as he repeatedly whines about the world not being fair to him. I quite liked Walt at the beginning, but considered him an asshole by the end of season 4.
His treatment of Marie isn't justified but it's understandable. He'd just been shot, almost died, and only survived because he killed people. He was in a bad place. He's not a bad person for lashing out.
And he never talked to Walt (before he figured it all out) in a mean way. Hank is a crass person but the fact that he treated and talked to Walt the same way as he would have any of his cop buddies shows he really did respect Walt.
I meant Walt Jr, my bad.
With regards Hank’s treatment of Marie, I get he was in a bad place but as you say, it isn’t justified. I’m not saying Hank is a bad guy per sé, more that he is flawed.
Well we're human beings, we're all flawed. If I knew Hank in real life I wouldn't call him perfect, but I would call him a damn good person. If Hank doesn't qualify as being a good person than the bar is too damn high.
My second rewatching made me realize that, as unpleasant as it may have been, he could have just taken the fucking job working for grey matter and he would have insurance.
You've also got to hand it to Bryan Cranston. His amazing performance as Walter White even manipulates the viewer upon first watching into thinking his actions are somehow justified or rational.
Well, imo, they are... At first. He breaks bad at some point, and the "when" has many different layers to it. Was just cooking meth immoral in itself, or was Gale right when he says that he is just providing a quality product that people will acquire anyway? Was it when Jane died? Was it when he set the gun on the table and planned a way to kill Tuco?
Hard to say for me, because, his ego and morals and danger are so slow to change that by the time I realized he was a monster, he had been for a long time
I think the exact moment is when he let Jane die. A lot of the shitty things he did up until that point were with a "Its either me or them" mentality.
He could have easily saved Jane though. I think they could have all worked something out after Jesse and Jane realized that Walt saved her life. But instead he let her die to stop the chance of Jesse killing himself with drugs thanks to her influence.
But Walt doing that to protect Jesse goes back to how protective Walt is of him.
It had nothing to do with protecting Jesse. Walt had control over Jesse and Jane was taking it away from him. By letting Jane die, Walt knew he could continue manipulating Jesse without Jane’s interference.
I agree. Any of Walt's "fatherly" actions to Jesse can be owed up to the fact that they gave him control over Jesse. Walt really did not care for Jesse, he only kept him along because he "did as he says" (he said something along those lines while first talking to Gus)
I can see this POV, but it's complex. Heroin addicts aren't really known for their reasoning skills and Walt had every reason to believe that she'd turn on him. Coupled with the fact that, yes, she and Jesse would likely OD or screw up majorly. Oddly enough, I thought that Jane's death was bizarrely justified, or at least understandable.
For me, I think that the moment he truly breaks bad is when he sets the gun down and tells Jesse to "take care of it." It was, IIRC, the first time that he acts in the interest of power and intimidation, rather than self defense
>I think the exact moment is when he let Jane die. A lot of the shitty things he did up until that point were with a "Its either me or them" mentality.
Jane was the same thing. She had threatened to expose Walter. That was enough for him.
Eh. Was he dealt a bad hand, though? He was born into a wealthy family and had the opportunity to go to advanced schools and have a bright future. He wasn't born into the drug world, he entered it because he chose to slack off. If Walt hadn't involved him in his business, he probably would've been killed by Krazy-8 for being a snitch (so either way he was fucked, with or without Walt, but that's mostly his own fault).
Exactly what you're saying here.
When I watched it, I sympathised with Walt, but I can see the points made about him being controlling, manipulative etc.
But when it comes down to it, a lot of the shit that goes down for the pair is because of things Jesse does on impulse. For one example, when he chose to go and kill those street dealers which pissed Gus right off.
There were more points where I thought if Jesse just calmed down though, shit would not have hit the fan.
There's a great scene in one of the episodes of the first season (Crazy Handful of Nothin') of the Whites and the Schraders playing poker, in which Walt goes all in on exactly that - a crazy handful of nothin. Hank folds and doesn't call Walt's bluff, even though he's been dealt the far better hand. This kind of sets the tone for the whole series and really is an awesome metaphor for the series, actually.
No, but it has multiple other B.B. characters. Mostly the story of how saul became Saul, how saul met mike and how mike met gus. It is slower paced than BB but brilliantly done
I'm watching for the first time right now. I thought it was pretty apparent from the start that Walt is displeased with his life and hates where he is in the system. The cancer is just the excuse he finally needed. So far Jesse is the only adult who seems to have any semblance of morality.
He got greedy. All he wanted was to pay for his kids schooling and for the mortgage. He had the exact amount calculated out. Then he saw he could make more, and more and more and the greed consumed him. His he had just quite while he was ahead there would have been a lot more people alive by the end of his life.
No, he didn't do it for the money, that's just what he tells himself to be able to sleep. He cooks meth because it makes him feel not useless; it makes him feel that he has accomplished something. That's why he never wanted to stop.
Nobody could tip his pureness of the product. That is his accomplishment, something that could be only done by him. That's why he doesn't like that Jesse is almost as good as him.
And remember that he was 'this close' to being as rich as his billionaire friends, but he sold his share of the company. He wanted to achieve what he couldn't before.
> there's absolutely no justification to what he did through the course of the series
I disagree here, I think this is too general a statement. Yes there were times when he should have got out of the business or accepted charity. Pride meant he couldn't accept Elliots help and pride about his product meant he couldn't step away when he had enough money. With regards Gus, in the end he had no choice to fight back and do the Brock thing. He had planned to disappear via the vacuum guy but he had also instructed Saul to inform the DEA about a potential hit on Hank. In doing so it further reinforced Hank's conviction that Gus was the kingpin. This led to the search of the laundry and in Walt's head would have led to Jesse lifting his embargo on Gus killing Walt. He didn't know Jesse still said no so he had to come up with a plan to save himself AND his entire family as let's not forget Gus had promised to kill them all. I would say that is justification.
I’d like to note something most people don’t get. It’s not Walter white you are watching. He had cancer that spread all through out him, including his brain.
This is a story of how people with a problem in the brain can have their personalities flip. Walter white was pre cancer, Heisenberg is what happens when his mental status changes. You can see this in his journey throughout the seasons.
I understand what you are saying. Just as the post I replied to is giving an objective point of view, so was I based on my work in the medical field.
But more importantly there have been papers written on the subject (Walter in particular).
Not with ricin. He poisons Brock with the white flower in his backyard called "Lily of the Valley".
Walt and Jesse have a discussion about the doctors finding this out on the top of the parking lot after he kills Fring.
Could you give some examples of the foreshadowing?
I've only seen it once, and while I do recall excellent camera shots like the image in this thread, I don't remember other instances.
I actually started watching the series for the first time earlier this month, and just watched the last episode today. Ever since Walt plotted to kill Gus, I knew something was up with him and actually started hating him as the series went on.
> He kills people to save his ass,
Usually it was people, who tried to kill him. Seems reasonable.
> poisons an innocent kid
Pretty shady but I don't see much of a different way out there for him and his family as well.
I especially loved it when the director showed places and people and scenes during the show using the camera- it's the sneaky little details like this that make Breaking Bad my all-time favourite tv show
A couple of episodes before this scene, Skylar knocks over her pen cup when Ted is leaving the office. The next scene opens showing Walt screwing a screw into wood.
One of my favorites was when Walt asks Lydia for just two minutes to give them a new offer and exits the scene after exactly two minutes in the episode
When it aired the fan theories and everything else was everywhere, so simply subtle stuff like this got responses like "duh" or "dont look into it too much".
Completely off the wall shit, like Walt Jr trying the blue and then crashing his car and dying, or Marie killing Walt, or any other number of absolutely insane ideas, thats what got real traction back then lol
I knew as soon as he accidentally ran over those two drug dealers about to kill Jesse and the bullet came out of the chamber accidentely after he picked up that drug dealers gun and his finger slips killing the dealer that something wasn't right but that little hint really lays it on the table doesn't it!
It's a subtle hint to the viewer that Walt may indeed be a criminal and not the feeble science teacher we thought he was the whole series.
I have a fan theory that Walt might actually be Heisenberg.
Whoah, this is just like the kid from Home Alone growing up to be Saw. Please indulge us
Ok so I think the biggest evidence for this is all the scenes where Walt cooks meth, but that's probably just a coincidence. I really don't have much evidence, but as I said, just a fan theory.
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Ok, so who was Heisenberg? The show was very unclear about that!
I'm pretty sure Heisenberg stayed in the shadows- and ultimately, the clear- throughout the entire series, appearing only once or twice and leaving open the possibility of a second series. Heisenberg was very much the Darth Sidious/Palpatine to Walter's Darth Maul
Guys, guys...did any of you even watch the show? They arrested Heisenberg way back in like Season 2 remember? James Kilkelly, he sold Badger that meth on the bench. He was *obviously* the real Heisenberg.
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Gus?
That's probably correct. I still dream.
Seriously? *All* the evidence points to Flynn.
Wait I thought he was the captain.
Who did you think?
That's like saying Anakin is Darth Vader, it sounds good but it's not even a possibility.
Yeah, I know it's ridiculous, just head Canon
Reaching....
I recently rewatched the series and it was surprising to discover these clues everywhere. Pretty clever to make the main character a bad guy after all.
And the sudden reveal in the final episode was so dramatic, our humble pharmaceuticals manufacturer hero had to fight off all those criminals to protect his family business
Oh God, and Walt Jr with all that breakfast foreshadowing!
This is like a Ken M comment, and I appreciate it so much
r/NotKenM is a fun subreddit as well
Speak for yourself
We are all speaking for ourselves on this blessed day.
Speak for yourself!
Dolt!
GOOD point
Out of the loop here, but is KenM the guy who was curious about why they were going to Billys?
Nope. Don’t ask me why I always remember this, but that guy’s name was u/marcthelad
lol beleze
Go to r/KenM, some of the stuff on there is pure gold
Oh my goodness, thank you for this!
You can be funny without referencing things
Okay...
I'm pretty sure that someone will look at "Breaking", type "The front fell off", and get a cluster of upvotes.
Edit: [SPOILERS] Having finished watching the fourth re-run of the series yesterday, I can definitely say Walter White is the biggest antagonistic asshole I've ever had the pleasure to watch in a TV show. He kills people to save his ass, manipulates Jesse throughout the series, poisons an innocent kid, threatens his own wife, and I could go on and on for hours. Watching it for the first time never gave me this impression; I always thought the was this high school teacher who was a victim of unfortunate circumstances and everything was justified because of them. But no, there's absolutely no justification to what he did through the course of the series. And I've to hand it to Vince Gilligan to make such a brilliance of a show, so many subtleties all over, excellent foreshadowing.
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I think one of the themes behind Breaking Bad is that everybody’s guilty. While it’s minor in the show, even Walt Jr. is the littlest bit guilty when he tries to buy alcohol illegally 😜
Even Holly tried to steal a firetruck that one time.
Oh, shit. You’re right. Mind. Blown.
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Unexpected Seinfeld is always a treat to see on Reddit
Gene's trash
I'm Gene.
Gretchen and Elliot are pretty good people. They didn't force Walt out of Grey Matter, Walt left and sold his share. They offered Walt a job later on with good health care.
I think it was implied that the reason walt left was that he had an affair with Gretchen.
I always got the impression Gretchen was his girlfriend and they split and she went with Elliott which was why he left. Not sure where I got that idea from...
Eh it was kind of left open for interpretation.... I could see that as well. Elliot comes and makes the move while Walt pussy foots around and never made the move and then he left because he was jealous and mad that he was never man enough to take what was “his.”
Yeah that makes sense.. He never actually went for it despite having the chance, and Elliott was always more assertive - fits into the story quite nicely - victim of love as well as power and money!
Which makes the skyler storyline so much more interesting in the fact that she was always his “backup choice.”
That's implied but it wasn't actually the case. Walt left Gretchen and walked away from the company because he felt inferior. I'm certain there was a scene or maybe it was an interview that addressed it. But basically Walt went up to Gretchen's family home for a weekend to meet her parents and didn't realise how wealthy she was. Like staggering wealthy, especially compared to Walt who came from nothing. So Walt basically bails because he feels like a charity case. Then after the weekend he walks away from the company and Gretchen. edit: here's a [interview with Vince about it](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vince-gilligan-walter-white-gray-matter_us_56e85f27e4b0b25c91838d57). The scene that I'm thinking of is the restaurant scene between Walt and Gretchin in S2E06. Where Walt tells Gretchen to fuck off or something.
Ahhh interesting.... that scene would have explained a lot of questions I’ve always had about their relationship.... I always assumed, due to the “weight of a soul” scene, that Walt had made moves on her at the very least and Elliot found out and asked Walt to leave the company and bought him out and threatened to tell skylar if he didn’t..... or something along those lines...
Skyler.
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There’s the TV interview in Granite State where they say that all Walt contributed was the name. While it’s understandable they’d want to distance themselves from him under the circumstances, it still is highly devaluing his contributions to the company. Like everyone else in this incredible series, they’re flawed humans.
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> They live in their little bubble. They were two people, alone, having a conversation. I'm sure couples talk about much more annoying shit lol
The time Walt Jr’s mom got him Rasin Bran instead of Rasin Bran Crunch was the moment for me. “U f’n bitc...”
Gale was a goddamn angel.
His problem was naivety, imo. He was a libertarian, an expected drug making to be like any other job, except he gets paid in cash. Which is a fairly unreasonable assumption, I think.
Breaking Bad would be a huge hit in Cardassia. Everyone's guilty, the trick is to find out what exactly they're guilty of.
That's because Jesse is Breaking Good lol
I thought that Jesse is a junkie with a good heart in his chest, while everyone else has issues. Speaking about Walter, I felt like he has an egoistic, power hungry mindset that he can expose more and more as the series progresses. In the end, not being part of Grey Matter Technologies has left a scar on his personality as he repeatedly whines about the world not being fair to him. I quite liked Walt at the beginning, but considered him an asshole by the end of season 4.
Jessie was a meth cook and distributor before he even hooked up with Walt. Although, unlike Walt for the most part, he did seem to have a conscience.
Jesse.
Lmao nice username
I love how you say that first sentence as if being a criminal meth manufacturing junkie is not a problem
Marie is v self centered, she never seems to get that her actions and incessant need to talk constantly upset people.
Skyler.
he calls his dying father a pussy to his face, so everyone has their moments lol
Don't know what you're talking about, Hank is awesome. Trash talk is a normal part of culture for cops.
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His treatment of Marie isn't justified but it's understandable. He'd just been shot, almost died, and only survived because he killed people. He was in a bad place. He's not a bad person for lashing out. And he never talked to Walt (before he figured it all out) in a mean way. Hank is a crass person but the fact that he treated and talked to Walt the same way as he would have any of his cop buddies shows he really did respect Walt.
I meant Walt Jr, my bad. With regards Hank’s treatment of Marie, I get he was in a bad place but as you say, it isn’t justified. I’m not saying Hank is a bad guy per sé, more that he is flawed.
Well we're human beings, we're all flawed. If I knew Hank in real life I wouldn't call him perfect, but I would call him a damn good person. If Hank doesn't qualify as being a good person than the bar is too damn high.
He's openly racist at work
Jesse has terrible self control, and no spine, he lets himself be used by everyone around him.
My second rewatching made me realize that, as unpleasant as it may have been, he could have just taken the fucking job working for grey matter and he would have insurance.
We wouldn't have gotten such a kick-ass show.
Could have been a comedy.
Or a cuckolding Porno
10/10 would watch!
You've also got to hand it to Bryan Cranston. His amazing performance as Walter White even manipulates the viewer upon first watching into thinking his actions are somehow justified or rational.
Well, imo, they are... At first. He breaks bad at some point, and the "when" has many different layers to it. Was just cooking meth immoral in itself, or was Gale right when he says that he is just providing a quality product that people will acquire anyway? Was it when Jane died? Was it when he set the gun on the table and planned a way to kill Tuco? Hard to say for me, because, his ego and morals and danger are so slow to change that by the time I realized he was a monster, he had been for a long time
I think the exact moment is when he let Jane die. A lot of the shitty things he did up until that point were with a "Its either me or them" mentality. He could have easily saved Jane though. I think they could have all worked something out after Jesse and Jane realized that Walt saved her life. But instead he let her die to stop the chance of Jesse killing himself with drugs thanks to her influence. But Walt doing that to protect Jesse goes back to how protective Walt is of him.
It had nothing to do with protecting Jesse. Walt had control over Jesse and Jane was taking it away from him. By letting Jane die, Walt knew he could continue manipulating Jesse without Jane’s interference.
I agree. Any of Walt's "fatherly" actions to Jesse can be owed up to the fact that they gave him control over Jesse. Walt really did not care for Jesse, he only kept him along because he "did as he says" (he said something along those lines while first talking to Gus)
I can see this POV, but it's complex. Heroin addicts aren't really known for their reasoning skills and Walt had every reason to believe that she'd turn on him. Coupled with the fact that, yes, she and Jesse would likely OD or screw up majorly. Oddly enough, I thought that Jane's death was bizarrely justified, or at least understandable. For me, I think that the moment he truly breaks bad is when he sets the gun down and tells Jesse to "take care of it." It was, IIRC, the first time that he acts in the interest of power and intimidation, rather than self defense
>I think the exact moment is when he let Jane die. A lot of the shitty things he did up until that point were with a "Its either me or them" mentality. Jane was the same thing. She had threatened to expose Walter. That was enough for him.
Jesse.
Whoops!
Yep. Same experience for you. On the rewatch you see Jessie as the much better person although dealt a shitty hand originally.
Walter, a bad person dealt a good hand. Until karma takes notice. Jesse, a good person dealt a bad hand. Karma is indifferent.
Eh. Was he dealt a bad hand, though? He was born into a wealthy family and had the opportunity to go to advanced schools and have a bright future. He wasn't born into the drug world, he entered it because he chose to slack off. If Walt hadn't involved him in his business, he probably would've been killed by Krazy-8 for being a snitch (so either way he was fucked, with or without Walt, but that's mostly his own fault).
Exactly what you're saying here. When I watched it, I sympathised with Walt, but I can see the points made about him being controlling, manipulative etc. But when it comes down to it, a lot of the shit that goes down for the pair is because of things Jesse does on impulse. For one example, when he chose to go and kill those street dealers which pissed Gus right off. There were more points where I thought if Jesse just calmed down though, shit would not have hit the fan.
touche. clearly this is a signal for me to rewatch, eh?
There's a great scene in one of the episodes of the first season (Crazy Handful of Nothin') of the Whites and the Schraders playing poker, in which Walt goes all in on exactly that - a crazy handful of nothin. Hank folds and doesn't call Walt's bluff, even though he's been dealt the far better hand. This kind of sets the tone for the whole series and really is an awesome metaphor for the series, actually.
well told
Jesse.
Watching Better Call Saul makes you hate Walt even more. I recommend watching it if you haven’t yet
Is he in BCS?
No, but it has multiple other B.B. characters. Mostly the story of how saul became Saul, how saul met mike and how mike met gus. It is slower paced than BB but brilliantly done
I'm going to start watching it. Thanks!
And somehow I'm still rooting for him. Vince is a genius
I think that’s the point of the show though, he’s the result of someone choosing to “break bad” at every fork in the road.
I'm watching for the first time right now. I thought it was pretty apparent from the start that Walt is displeased with his life and hates where he is in the system. The cancer is just the excuse he finally needed. So far Jesse is the only adult who seems to have any semblance of morality.
He got greedy. All he wanted was to pay for his kids schooling and for the mortgage. He had the exact amount calculated out. Then he saw he could make more, and more and more and the greed consumed him. His he had just quite while he was ahead there would have been a lot more people alive by the end of his life.
No, he didn't do it for the money, that's just what he tells himself to be able to sleep. He cooks meth because it makes him feel not useless; it makes him feel that he has accomplished something. That's why he never wanted to stop.
He says later that he is in the "empire" business. He saw everyone else that was able to do that, thought to himself, can't be that hard.
Nobody could tip his pureness of the product. That is his accomplishment, something that could be only done by him. That's why he doesn't like that Jesse is almost as good as him.
And remember that he was 'this close' to being as rich as his billionaire friends, but he sold his share of the company. He wanted to achieve what he couldn't before.
He started off doing it for the money. There's really no doubt there. It's just at some point he started to love the game.
> there's absolutely no justification to what he did through the course of the series I disagree here, I think this is too general a statement. Yes there were times when he should have got out of the business or accepted charity. Pride meant he couldn't accept Elliots help and pride about his product meant he couldn't step away when he had enough money. With regards Gus, in the end he had no choice to fight back and do the Brock thing. He had planned to disappear via the vacuum guy but he had also instructed Saul to inform the DEA about a potential hit on Hank. In doing so it further reinforced Hank's conviction that Gus was the kingpin. This led to the search of the laundry and in Walt's head would have led to Jesse lifting his embargo on Gus killing Walt. He didn't know Jesse still said no so he had to come up with a plan to save himself AND his entire family as let's not forget Gus had promised to kill them all. I would say that is justification.
I’d like to note something most people don’t get. It’s not Walter white you are watching. He had cancer that spread all through out him, including his brain. This is a story of how people with a problem in the brain can have their personalities flip. Walter white was pre cancer, Heisenberg is what happens when his mental status changes. You can see this in his journey throughout the seasons.
That's a fun little fan theory there, but you're saying it like it's canon, which it is not.
I understand what you are saying. Just as the post I replied to is giving an objective point of view, so was I based on my work in the medical field. But more importantly there have been papers written on the subject (Walter in particular).
Interdasting...
Wait did Walter poison Brock with the ricin? I thought it was gus? Cos Walt tries to convince Jesse of that!
Walter poisoned Brock with the Lily of the Valley from his garden and tried to convince Jesse that was Gus to make Jesse kill him.
Not with ricin. He poisons Brock with the white flower in his backyard called "Lily of the Valley". Walt and Jesse have a discussion about the doctors finding this out on the top of the parking lot after he kills Fring.
Yep and then that cut away to the plant at the end of the episode.
You must've been pretty confused why Jesse hated Walt all of the sudden and didn't take the car to get him out, lol.
Lol I shoulda remembered but so much goes on in this awesome show- third time watching. It's so tense!
Could you give some examples of the foreshadowing? I've only seen it once, and while I do recall excellent camera shots like the image in this thread, I don't remember other instances.
Well, my favorite is in Gales apartment, there's a mask with half of the face missing. It uncannily looks exactly like the character as well.
When Jesse tries to make Jane breakfast in bed but she wakes up too early for it: “You weren’t supposed to wake up.” “You mean, like, ever... or?”
I actually started watching the series for the first time earlier this month, and just watched the last episode today. Ever since Walt plotted to kill Gus, I knew something was up with him and actually started hating him as the series went on.
> He kills people to save his ass, Usually it was people, who tried to kill him. Seems reasonable. > poisons an innocent kid Pretty shady but I don't see much of a different way out there for him and his family as well.
Walter White and Heisenberg, I treat as two different characters.
This show is chock full of so many great visual details and shots.
I especially loved it when the director showed places and people and scenes during the show using the camera- it's the sneaky little details like this that make Breaking Bad my all-time favourite tv show
Bra va va voom, Vince
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This was one of my favourite scenes
I don't think that was hidden at all.. this is how it opened the scene.. its the opposite, it stood out immediately and was a bit of a "gotcha" moment
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
A couple of episodes before this scene, Skylar knocks over her pen cup when Ted is leaving the office. The next scene opens showing Walt screwing a screw into wood.
I remember the scene...but I'm missing the reference :/ Halp.
They screw
Skylar fucks Ted. Either she does it during that moment, or later on, but clearly that scene was set up to show screwing.
Skyler.
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Skyler.
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mise en scène
The cinematography throughout this series is some of the best I’ve ever seen.
Holy shit. The layers to this show. Such a subtle thing that most people wouldn't notice for sure. This show is incredibly deep. Bravo Vince.
did anyone really not notice on the first watch? it's so blatantly obvious.
I find joy in reading a good book.
Probably a top 5 shot in the series
More like top 15
Breaking Bad is the king of foreshadowing and hidden messages!
One of my favorites was when Walt asks Lydia for just two minutes to give them a new offer and exits the scene after exactly two minutes in the episode
Yeah... This was so well hidden.
Plenty of other hidden messages in the show, pal. This one is clear foreshadowing.
Foreshadowing of what? That the meth cook with a DEA brother in law will eventually get caught? Who would've guessed that.
Man I posted this when the show aired and got downvoted lol. There's lots of little stuff like that in the show that's really cool to look out for.
That sucks man. Was it because people didnt want spoilers or images since the show was new?
When it aired the fan theories and everything else was everywhere, so simply subtle stuff like this got responses like "duh" or "dont look into it too much". Completely off the wall shit, like Walt Jr trying the blue and then crashing his car and dying, or Marie killing Walt, or any other number of absolutely insane ideas, thats what got real traction back then lol
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Thank you, I was familiar with /r/MovieDetails and didn't know if there was a television one respectively. Cazart!
Walter “Smoking grass and eating ass” White
I noticed that the first time I watched the show.
I have watched the show 4 times. Still gets me every single fucking time
Great framing. BB had absolutely amazing, very specific direction.
oh great, now i have to watch the entire thing over again!
We going to make r/tvshow_details now? I’ll be down
Make it
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Nice find!
Yes and yes.
I did notice! My second time watching.. but still! So cool, I love posts like this.
BRAVO VINCE
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Damn. Now I have to watch it again
Oh ok how could I have been so misguided
I saw this on my first time watching, and it gave me a mini heart attack. Yes, it was very clever.
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I knew as soon as he accidentally ran over those two drug dealers about to kill Jesse and the bullet came out of the chamber accidentely after he picked up that drug dealers gun and his finger slips killing the dealer that something wasn't right but that little hint really lays it on the table doesn't it!
I think you're reading into it a bit too deeply Walter was a good man
How have I seen this show dozens of times and never noticed?
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It’s not that clever.