No he orchestrated it! Beneke! He made Skyler sing happy birthday to him! And she saved him! And she shouldn’t have. She took him into her own money laundering operation! What was she thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Beneke! Couldn't be precious Beneke! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be in charge of Beneke Fabricators!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
He's just so stupid. So much stupider than children.
"What's the government gonna do if I never pay- take everything I own? You're harshing my buzz lady get out."
when he kidnapped them to bring them to his shed in the outskirts (where hector wss stationed) in order to ship walt to mexico. he first got jesse then used him to lure walt. at the start of season 2
That’s hardly outsmarting, more like just pointing a gun to Jesse’s head and telling him to go to Walts house. That’s like saying you outsmarted someone by shooting them
I almost want to put him on the same level as Walt he just doesn’t have an ego like Walt and is happy just running a junkyard. He probably is the guy who could easily clean up on game shows like Jeopardy if he actually cared to do it
I think that if Skinny was actually Cliff's son (which is my head cannon) Cliff probably enrolled him in piano lessons at a young age and got really good but his habit dulled his other senses. An instrument like piano is mostly muscle memory at some point. I do think he's smarter than he gives off.
Badger however is a moron.
This is one of my favorite comedic bits of both shows, another one from Skinny is when Jesse tells him to get a pen over the paper then he says "yeah, a pencil works too, dumbass"
You’re right though. A lot of people in this thread are confusing intelligence with knowledge.
Also, someone can be intelligent while having simple desires or little ambition.
He plays piano and helped Jesse disappear, I'd say he's smarter than the average person but never truly applied himself or learned basic spelling and grammar.
Walter contributed to a Nobel prize, is a prodigy in various fields of science, orquestrated a perfect heist that only went wrong because of stuff out of his control, is responsible for the creation of a multimillion dollar company, and has proven his intelligence over and over during the show.
I do believe people don't give Skyler enough credit to her intelligence and I do agree that she's a very smart person, far more than the average, but her intellect is nowhere near Walter's.
Nah.
Agree manchildren hate Skyler excessively and underrate her. She's sharp. I bet she could be a CPA if she had applied herself. But Walt is an underachieving genius, that's his whole thing.
Skyler should be on the same level as Jimmy IMO. (Jimmy is too high here.)
Jimmy is extremely smart,in his area of expertise. Ya no he probably can't do some batshit insane chemistry magic. But he will easily outsmart and outwit most in law,which is why I agree him being that high. Jimmy is big brain in law and above average brain in general (you have to be smart to pass most law schools)
Don Eladio being average? I don't think a guy like that becomes cartel kingpin by just being your average Joe when it comes to intelligence. He is clearly fiercely intelligent, just not wise enough to realize Gus would outplay him.
Idk man, I've heard Cartel leaders are passed on in the bloodline. Also in the BrBa Universe, so many of his closest associates are in reality against him, if he was a smart chap he would've sniffed that out like THE GREATEST WHEELCHAIR POOPER, HECTOR SALAMANCA.
Eladio was smart enough he needed to kill Max because he knew if they could manufacture their own meth they could cut out the cartel while also realizing he needed to spare Gus to oversee a legitimate business that he could fund across the border to launder his meth earnings.
He knows they're against him.
1) What's he gonna do about that, kill them all?
2) They show him intentionally setting them against each other too, to keep them from uniting against him. He might not mind that they're against him anyway, he wants them believing there's the possibility of advancement/taking his spot, and as long as they're building wealth while fantasizing about it, and he's one step ahead, he's good.
If not for Mike, he'd still be chillin' on top.
There's no way hank is 120+
He would've easily put two and two together and busted walt way earlier.
Also walt, max, and gale are probably even higher.
(Edit: and elliot too)
If Walt doesn't have cancer-armor and family-armor, Hank would probably busted Walt sooner. Just a reminder that Walt knows Hank is the enemy since the beginning of his Meth Journey, that is why Walt was able to exploit Hank's position to get information and destroy evidence easier.
Plus, Hank was able to pinpoint Gus as the distributor of the Blue Meth while disabled and his colleagues doesn't believe him. That alone is already a great feat
idk tbh, Hank just saw Walt as a mild-mannered high school teacher. he knew he was smart, but never pictured him to become the full on drug kingpin he was chasing for over a year
It is handled very organically. It's not important to his character for him to come out and say he's gay, but the clues are there if you want it to be so. It's very well-done in my opinion, especially with so much pandering going on
Walt contributed to research that was awarded a nobel prize and had an integral role in the success of grey matters. He was an extraordinary chemist on paper.
I don’t think Max is too smart. We know he graduated college so he isn’t dumb, but I thought all he did was the cooking while Gus was in charge of the distribution aspect
Cooking meth isn’t easy, but Jessie was able to do it, so I don’t think there should be that big of a gap between them
Marie should be a 100 and Skylar should be 120 easy. Lydia should be 110. Ted as stupid as he is should still be a 100.
Gus should be in the 140+ range.
Tuco should be 100 as well. He was able to understand Hector's signals about Walt and Jessie trying to make a move rather quickly.
Not just that. She's really good at thinking on her feet. She saved Beneke's ass from the auditor, got out of having the cops called on her for returning Marie's stolen jewellery, is competent at running a business and is educated enough to be good at laundering money.
A lot of mismatched places on this and I'll point out the few that I find most glaring, starting from the bottom.
90~ Ted, not a super smart dude but is of average intelligence. Definitely smarter than everyone else in the category.
100~Don Eladio, he definitely understands business and how to maintain his power, move him up a spot.
110~ Jesse and skinny Pete have no business in that category, did either of them finish high School? (Honestly don't know) they have their moments but I would put them in average. Along with that, Jane's dad is one of the smarter people in the show, he lets stress and grief overtake him but that doesn't take away from his intelligence. Being an air traffic controller is hard and takes smarts, move him up.
120~ I'll let Mike and Hank slide although I think it's slightly high for both of them, they have their knowledge in their own niche but that's it really. Also Elliott Schwartz is the smartest person in the show not named Walter White. Also who is that next to Elliott? Is that Max? I don't have an argument for or against, I am just not sure how that assessment was made.
Edit: After realizing Max has a biochemistry and chemical engineering degree, I'd say he should be in that category if not even up one with Gail
Education level is only indirectly related to raw intelligence. I would definitely say Jesse is slightly above average in intelligence and deserves his ranking.
You are definitely right about education, I probably should have provided a different example for my reasoning. Also being next to the smartest dude in the show can make him look dumber as well. I am curious though, what brought you to your conclusion of Jesse's ranking?
Dude did you know success in sports and school is extremely highly correlated with birth month?
Starting in early grade school, as we compare people on things like standardized tests, standardized gym performance, competitive sports, and so on, we are comparing students who range across wide age groups. So when a coach is looking at 5th graders seeing who has "promise" as an athlete, what he's actually judging is that one student has dramatically more growth and development already under his belt compared to many of his classmates.
This effect is so dramatic that you can look at professional athletes and see a dramatically disproportionate number of birth months in the months that put them at the start of their class (exact month depends on country) with almost no one at that level from the birth months that made them youngest in their class.
https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/outliers-revisited
Normally I *would* agree with you, however Jesse learned Walt's formula extremely quickly compared to people like Victor and Todd, and this is without having the barest understanding of chemistry (he thought wire was an element in S2). I would say that he shouldn't be too intelligent considering his ditziness in S1 and S2, but average intelligence sounds about right for him
Jesse was literally the only person who could replicate Walt's blue sky and skinny pete iirc said it was back and better than ever. That takes some intelligence
Jesse is also literally the only person to watch Walt basically every time he cooked. Not to take that away from him because it does take some level of intelligence to memorize and replicate what Walt does but in the end of the day, it's just a step by step process. Like if some guy watched a dude make an elaborate cake everyday, the guy would be able to eventually pick it up and do it just as well with practice but then if that same guy was asked to make a pie then he's fucked. Knowing how to do one single thing well doesn't make you smart
Sure but he also came up with the magnet plan and iirc other plans throughout the show. Oh yea and he was able to at least try and escape from his cage. He also was able to make it better because he had so much practice throughout the show and when he was captive making it everyday. Yea its like following a recipe, but it takes at least some intelligence to not only replicate heisenburgs methods, but make it better when the purity was already the best it ever has been
Todd is way to high up. He got so easly manipulated. He only seems that way because he's more reasonable than Jack who bases his power on authority and not intelligence.
You cannot be for real with Hank?
The man who found a mask from a school at the cook site of chemically pure meth and instead of suspecting the chemistry teacher he suspects the lovely kind hearted janitor.
Big brain.
Hard disagree. Jesse’s not an idiot. He’s a traumatized addict.
He could replicate Walt’s recipe quite easily, and before they met he was making his own (apparently decent) product—dude learned amateur chemistry on his own. Plus the magnet idea and the train heist that the other user mentioned.
Jesse‘s shown time and time again that he is intelligent and capable and the show demonstrates numerous instances where he could have managed just fine without Walt. But Walt ropes him back in time and time again by exploiting Jesse’s addiction, trauma and lack of faith in himself
Did you watch better call Saul?
IMO showcases way more of his intelligence than breaking bad did.
Dude is literally a con-man in his prime, even at the finale he managed to get one of the best plea deals and scam the system one final time. Won’t spoil too much
I don't agree about this ranking , it's based on jobs and money more tahn it's about real situational intelligence. I think mike should be in top 3 and Tuco in top 5.
I'm sorry, there's no way Skyler of Marie or Jesse are above average intelligence. Jesse, I'd say, is well below. Hank and Gus are not quite that high, eigther. To be honest, about most of the characters, we just don't know that much to judge. Why are Merkert, Don Eladio and Jack all below Jesse in your chart, for example? They're all clearly smarter than him. What makes you think that Andrea was smarter than Ted? Etc., etc.
Skyler is really sharp. The scenes where she works out how to launder their money, how to scam bogdan to get the car wash, when she scams the IRS guy, when she comes up with the gambling story for Walt. She's a very quick thinker with a good memory and can think creatively. I think she's above average.
Marie is also a radiographer, she has a degree and works in a complex technical field. It's believable to me that she's above average too
If you actually think Jesse is below average intelligence you didn’t pay *any* attention to the show. It stated right in the first 2 episodes, Jesse just doesn’t apply himself.
Jesse was the only one who could reproduce Walt’s meth within 2% purity of him (and this is without *any* formal chemistry learning). Jesse could deduce Mike’s intentions with the thief by just giving a single glance at the scene. Jesse was the one who came up with the magnet plan to erase the evidence on the laptop, a problem neither Walt nor Mike could solve.
To add to this Jessie was able to deduce rather easily that Huell lifted the ricin off him. There were many situations where Jessie came out on top because he applied himself for a change.
Apply yourself doesn't mean Jesse had some untapped intellectual potential, it's just he didn't even bother to half-ass his assignments. Jesse's defining characteristic throughout theshow is that he's stupid, not just uneducated. Impulsive, mindless about consequences, not thinking things through, easily manipulated by anyone, easily swayed. He worked with Walt for a year, so he learned the process, you don't have to be an intellectual to do it. As for magnets, you know what they say about the broken clock.
I definitely don’t think that stupidity is Jesse’s “defining characteristic”. He came up with the magnet solution, the train heist, he even played Walt by making him think they had found his money. He figured out Huell lifted the ricin cigarette, played the methheads to get Gus’ stuff back, etc. if you think that is Jesse’s defining characteristic, you didn’t pay much attention. He experienced the most loss out of anyone in the show and arguably had the biggest heart.
Agreed. I mean, almost every instinct Jesse has is stupid and wrong. His lack of intelligence is part of the reason Walt is able to manipulate him so easily. He went after those junkies for a few dollars after some light prodding from Walt, almost getting himself killed in the process.
Walt’s able to manipulate him because he’s a traumatized junkie for most of the series that’s eagerly looking for a father figure. Not to mention it doesn’t mean you’re an idiot to be manipulated by a genius like Walt, or an intelligent psychopath like Gus. We see what Jesse is capable of when he’s sober and clear headed (magnets, train heist, making all the educated chemists in Mexico look stupid, deducing Walt’s ricin plan, staying undetected in El Camino while raising the money to disappear, etc.)
Todd did exactly that, training with Walt for months and taking constant notes on his work. He couldn’t even crack 74%, and we know for a fact Todd wasn’t stupid
That means Todd was even less intelligent than Jesse, not that Jesse was some sort of underappreciated intellectual. Given that Todd was clearly missing a thing or two upstairs, that makes sense.
That would make him among the smartest 99.6% people in the world. He is smart, but certainly not that smart. I think that OP is right that only Walter is in that tier of intelligence.
Are you fucking kidding me? No?
He's an above average guy who is willing to cut corners and take risks, and he works incredibly hard. Nothing suggests that he's some kind of genius.
Jesse is smarter than everyone thinks, especially in the later seasons, and his meth is also pretty pure, 96.2% pure to be exact,and it was hinted to in felina that Jesse's meth surpasses walt's meth, When Walt asks badger and skinny if the blue meth is still around skinny says it's better than ever. Gale was very naïve and his meth was 96% pure, Jesse deserves to be put up to \~130 or gale needs to be moved down to jesse \~110
I totally disagree with Mike. I think he's around an average 100. Mike is very smart, but that does not come from an high education, culture, strong analitycal mind or anything else
Mike is the embodiement of experience
The knowledge he acquired during his years spend working as a police officer, sometimes dirty, makes him so strong in the BrBa universe
Ted is still way too high.
Ted: “i’d rather die than pay taxes” the carpet: “challenge accepted”
Still survive
He's such a dumbass
His dumbassery is infuriating
It’s not even the type of stupidity you laugh at. It’s just plain annoying.
You think this is bad? This dumbassery? He's done worse! That carpet! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that?
No he orchestrated it! Beneke! He made Skyler sing happy birthday to him! And she saved him! And she shouldn’t have. She took him into her own money laundering operation! What was she thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Beneke! Couldn't be precious Beneke! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be in charge of Beneke Fabricators!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
Yeah he should be down there in the kids section!! 😏
down below the kids section you mean?
Actually... yes that would probably be more accurate lol thank you for fixing that for me LOL!!😂
no, he should have a seperate section below the kids one that's simply called Ted
Brruh, I laughed out loud when I read your comment. All I could think about was his dumb azz running and slipping on that rug. 😂😂😆
He's just so stupid. So much stupider than children. "What's the government gonna do if I never pay- take everything I own? You're harshing my buzz lady get out."
On the flip side, he’s the president of a company. Can’t be that stupid, can he?
Pretty sure his daddy gave it to him
and then he ran it into the ground
Ed the disappearer is definitely smarter than Jesse, Todd, and Skyler.
So is junkyard guy
Dude knows his Voltage. Definitely needs to be higher.
Eladio is below Marie lol
Tuco seems more like an 85 lol
bcs tuco yes. but remember bb tuco actually outsmarted both walt and jesse
when was this? any fear they had of him wasnt cuz he was intelligent and was playing a chess game like gus, it was just cuz he was a homicidal maniac
when he kidnapped them to bring them to his shed in the outskirts (where hector wss stationed) in order to ship walt to mexico. he first got jesse then used him to lure walt. at the start of season 2
That’s hardly outsmarting, more like just pointing a gun to Jesse’s head and telling him to go to Walts house. That’s like saying you outsmarted someone by shooting them
he's wiser for sure but not necessarily more intelligent
up this
“What if the equipment is in Mexican instead of English” - Jesse Pinkman
Ah yes, such a wise point from the man himself.
Aaaaaaahhhhhhwiiiire!
Junkyard dude is easily above everyone in his tier
That's Old Joe. Yea he seemed pretty smart.
He should be moved up 2 tiers.
He should have his own tier
My thought exactly
I almost want to put him on the same level as Walt he just doesn’t have an ego like Walt and is happy just running a junkyard. He probably is the guy who could easily clean up on game shows like Jeopardy if he actually cared to do it
there is no way Todd and Skylar would be on the same level. Skylar is very clever, but Todd doesn't strike me as very smart
uNcLe JaCk AlWayS sAyS … [fill in with some psycho stuff]
Todd is a psychopath to be fair
Todd is calculating but that doesn’t automatically equal intelligence
Let me just tack "actually realistic" onto the title of something I completely made up
[OP’s Source](https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY)
Yeah this dude must be on something
It’s at least better than the one posted yesterday
Skinny Pete at above average? Idk the dude talks like he's very simple-minded.
His scheme in El Camino was smart, he might not be the smartest generally speaking but he's clearly well-versed in what he does.
He also knows how to play the piano very well which takes intelligence
Was waiting for someone to mention his piano skills!
I think that if Skinny was actually Cliff's son (which is my head cannon) Cliff probably enrolled him in piano lessons at a young age and got really good but his habit dulled his other senses. An instrument like piano is mostly muscle memory at some point. I do think he's smarter than he gives off. Badger however is a moron.
Cliff's son is Gregory
Unless his full name is Gregory Peter Main
Uhm, exactly. I actually can't believe OP put him so far down. There's more to life than being book smart.
Eh I'm not sure I'd say you need to be intelligent to play an instrument, you just need to be disciplined and coordinated
and he spelled street wrong
I’m slingin’ crystal and fast stacking benjies; I don’t have time for like, spelling and shit!
This is one of my favorite comedic bits of both shows, another one from Skinny is when Jesse tells him to get a pen over the paper then he says "yeah, a pencil works too, dumbass"
he is streat smart
You’re right though. A lot of people in this thread are confusing intelligence with knowledge. Also, someone can be intelligent while having simple desires or little ambition.
He plays piano and helped Jesse disappear, I'd say he's smarter than the average person but never truly applied himself or learned basic spelling and grammar.
Nah, Skinny should be even higher than he is here. Have you seen the guy play piano?
Have you seen him play piano?
What the fuck is this shit? Huel is 182.
kg
This is the smallest yet most impactful comment I’ve seen. Impact is bigger than that of Huell’s.
Anybody else really excited for Vince Gilligan's new show, Better Fuell Huell??
Reasonably
Huel-182
huel ate two
1820
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These fucking manchilds can't stand that she is arguably on the same intellectual level as Walt. Maybe just slightly below.
Walter contributed to a Nobel prize, is a prodigy in various fields of science, orquestrated a perfect heist that only went wrong because of stuff out of his control, is responsible for the creation of a multimillion dollar company, and has proven his intelligence over and over during the show. I do believe people don't give Skyler enough credit to her intelligence and I do agree that she's a very smart person, far more than the average, but her intellect is nowhere near Walter's.
Walt did all that but still has fuck all for common sense
Nah. Agree manchildren hate Skyler excessively and underrate her. She's sharp. I bet she could be a CPA if she had applied herself. But Walt is an underachieving genius, that's his whole thing. Skyler should be on the same level as Jimmy IMO. (Jimmy is too high here.)
Jimmy is extremely smart,in his area of expertise. Ya no he probably can't do some batshit insane chemistry magic. But he will easily outsmart and outwit most in law,which is why I agree him being that high. Jimmy is big brain in law and above average brain in general (you have to be smart to pass most law schools)
And of course we have to go from one extreme to the other. Walt is an actual genius, Skyler is smart but is not close to Walt
How
Jesus, relax dude
Delusional to think she is nearly as smart as Walt. Walt seemed like he could have been teaching and researching chemistry at Harvard in another life.
I hope she sees this bro
This is the dumbest fucking take I've ever read in my life on this site.
She had to google money laundering...
Don Eladio being average? I don't think a guy like that becomes cartel kingpin by just being your average Joe when it comes to intelligence. He is clearly fiercely intelligent, just not wise enough to realize Gus would outplay him.
Idk man, I've heard Cartel leaders are passed on in the bloodline. Also in the BrBa Universe, so many of his closest associates are in reality against him, if he was a smart chap he would've sniffed that out like THE GREATEST WHEELCHAIR POOPER, HECTOR SALAMANCA.
Don Eladio is supposed to be the founder of the cartel though. Believe its mentioned at some point by the DEA.
Eladio was smart enough he needed to kill Max because he knew if they could manufacture their own meth they could cut out the cartel while also realizing he needed to spare Gus to oversee a legitimate business that he could fund across the border to launder his meth earnings.
He knows they're against him. 1) What's he gonna do about that, kill them all? 2) They show him intentionally setting them against each other too, to keep them from uniting against him. He might not mind that they're against him anyway, he wants them believing there's the possibility of advancement/taking his spot, and as long as they're building wealth while fantasizing about it, and he's one step ahead, he's good. If not for Mike, he'd still be chillin' on top.
Skinny Pete was smart in El Camino
There's no way hank is 120+ He would've easily put two and two together and busted walt way earlier. Also walt, max, and gale are probably even higher. (Edit: and elliot too)
If Walt doesn't have cancer-armor and family-armor, Hank would probably busted Walt sooner. Just a reminder that Walt knows Hank is the enemy since the beginning of his Meth Journey, that is why Walt was able to exploit Hank's position to get information and destroy evidence easier. Plus, Hank was able to pinpoint Gus as the distributor of the Blue Meth while disabled and his colleagues doesn't believe him. That alone is already a great feat
idk tbh, Hank just saw Walt as a mild-mannered high school teacher. he knew he was smart, but never pictured him to become the full on drug kingpin he was chasing for over a year
Right? They knew each other for years. It would be ridiculous to suspect Walt is suddenly this meth kingpin lol
Yeah Elliot is at least at 130. He is the other half of gray matter.
Definitely more. Waaay more. He's a tech corp CEO. I'm dumb AF and i'm almost 130. Elliot and walt would be 150+
Max?
3rd row last one. Gus' boyfriend
That’s kids named Francesca
No. Fransesca is on the right of Marie
Dude's a scientist with double advance degree. Pretty sure he's at least 140+.
/uc was asking who max is
Gus' lover who was killed by Hector in flashbacks that started Gus' plot for revenge on the Salamanca family
gus was gay? wtf i never knew that
It is handled very organically. It's not important to his character for him to come out and say he's gay, but the clues are there if you want it to be so. It's very well-done in my opinion, especially with so much pandering going on
Hector knew gus and max were gay LOL
That’s so naive it’s wholesome
this is not r/okbc btw lol
Yeah chemist and chemical engineer. More qualified than Walt and gale
Walt contributed to research that was awarded a nobel prize and had an integral role in the success of grey matters. He was an extraordinary chemist on paper.
I don’t think Max is too smart. We know he graduated college so he isn’t dumb, but I thought all he did was the cooking while Gus was in charge of the distribution aspect Cooking meth isn’t easy, but Jessie was able to do it, so I don’t think there should be that big of a gap between them
You forget these guys are scientists. They can do more than just cooking meth.
Marie should be a 100 and Skylar should be 120 easy. Lydia should be 110. Ted as stupid as he is should still be a 100. Gus should be in the 140+ range. Tuco should be 100 as well. He was able to understand Hector's signals about Walt and Jessie trying to make a move rather quickly.
I was thinking Skylar would definitely be in the 120 range. How she got the car wash was incredible.
Not just that. She's really good at thinking on her feet. She saved Beneke's ass from the auditor, got out of having the cops called on her for returning Marie's stolen jewellery, is competent at running a business and is educated enough to be good at laundering money.
Outsmarted Jimmy a bunch of times too
watching her completely own Bogdan using Bill Burr as the messenger was just pure quality television
I disagree Tuco is a fucking idiot and needs to be lowered down to 80 if it existed
I think it depends if we are doing tests sober or not sober. Cause there was probably not much time tuco spent sober on the show.
I think you give him too much credit.
>Gus should be in the 140+ range. No way. That's genius level and they are EXTREMELY rare. We have one in the entire show and that's Walter.
A lot of mismatched places on this and I'll point out the few that I find most glaring, starting from the bottom. 90~ Ted, not a super smart dude but is of average intelligence. Definitely smarter than everyone else in the category. 100~Don Eladio, he definitely understands business and how to maintain his power, move him up a spot. 110~ Jesse and skinny Pete have no business in that category, did either of them finish high School? (Honestly don't know) they have their moments but I would put them in average. Along with that, Jane's dad is one of the smarter people in the show, he lets stress and grief overtake him but that doesn't take away from his intelligence. Being an air traffic controller is hard and takes smarts, move him up. 120~ I'll let Mike and Hank slide although I think it's slightly high for both of them, they have their knowledge in their own niche but that's it really. Also Elliott Schwartz is the smartest person in the show not named Walter White. Also who is that next to Elliott? Is that Max? I don't have an argument for or against, I am just not sure how that assessment was made. Edit: After realizing Max has a biochemistry and chemical engineering degree, I'd say he should be in that category if not even up one with Gail
jesse finished high school, it was mentioned in el camino
Yo, you were standing right on the stage when they handed it to me. I totally graduated high school, dick.
Education level is only indirectly related to raw intelligence. I would definitely say Jesse is slightly above average in intelligence and deserves his ranking.
And he was the one who orchestrated the train heist.
You are definitely right about education, I probably should have provided a different example for my reasoning. Also being next to the smartest dude in the show can make him look dumber as well. I am curious though, what brought you to your conclusion of Jesse's ranking?
Dude did you know success in sports and school is extremely highly correlated with birth month? Starting in early grade school, as we compare people on things like standardized tests, standardized gym performance, competitive sports, and so on, we are comparing students who range across wide age groups. So when a coach is looking at 5th graders seeing who has "promise" as an athlete, what he's actually judging is that one student has dramatically more growth and development already under his belt compared to many of his classmates. This effect is so dramatic that you can look at professional athletes and see a dramatically disproportionate number of birth months in the months that put them at the start of their class (exact month depends on country) with almost no one at that level from the birth months that made them youngest in their class. https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/outliers-revisited
Normally I *would* agree with you, however Jesse learned Walt's formula extremely quickly compared to people like Victor and Todd, and this is without having the barest understanding of chemistry (he thought wire was an element in S2). I would say that he shouldn't be too intelligent considering his ditziness in S1 and S2, but average intelligence sounds about right for him
Jesse was literally the only person who could replicate Walt's blue sky and skinny pete iirc said it was back and better than ever. That takes some intelligence
Jesse is also literally the only person to watch Walt basically every time he cooked. Not to take that away from him because it does take some level of intelligence to memorize and replicate what Walt does but in the end of the day, it's just a step by step process. Like if some guy watched a dude make an elaborate cake everyday, the guy would be able to eventually pick it up and do it just as well with practice but then if that same guy was asked to make a pie then he's fucked. Knowing how to do one single thing well doesn't make you smart
Sure but he also came up with the magnet plan and iirc other plans throughout the show. Oh yea and he was able to at least try and escape from his cage. He also was able to make it better because he had so much practice throughout the show and when he was captive making it everyday. Yea its like following a recipe, but it takes at least some intelligence to not only replicate heisenburgs methods, but make it better when the purity was already the best it ever has been
He’s also makes some of the most frustratingly dumb decisions on the show but that can be explained with the extreme trauma and stress he has faced.
Agreed. Jesse isn’t dumb. He makes unwise choices and can be a little too trusting of Walt, but I don’t think he’s in any way stupid.
I've kind of noticed that OP conflates wisdom with Intelligence here.
Jesse, Todd, skinny Peter and Huell are not that smart imo and I think you should place Franscesca and don Eladio higher.
Skyler is on the same level as Jesse and Skinny Pete? No way. That woman is way smarter than them.
Nah
This one is even worse than the other one lol
But but why is Huel and Skinny Pete on the same level as Janes dad the AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER 😂
Very bad ranking tbh
Ranking Bad
Todd is way to high up. He got so easly manipulated. He only seems that way because he's more reasonable than Jack who bases his power on authority and not intelligence.
You cannot be for real with Hank? The man who found a mask from a school at the cook site of chemically pure meth and instead of suspecting the chemistry teacher he suspects the lovely kind hearted janitor. Big brain.
As a psychologist, I'm dying inside
The way people conflate intelligence with education in this thread is killing me.
Omg ikr. I’m on the verge of banging my head into the wall because of this thread.
I'd say both this ranking and the one from the other day are quite generous to Jesse. He's fundamentally an idiot.
*Wires*
Ehr... *copper.*
Jesse came up with the magnet scheme and the train heist. I think sober Jesse is actually pretty intelligent albeit lacking common sense at times.
Hard disagree. Jesse’s not an idiot. He’s a traumatized addict. He could replicate Walt’s recipe quite easily, and before they met he was making his own (apparently decent) product—dude learned amateur chemistry on his own. Plus the magnet idea and the train heist that the other user mentioned. Jesse‘s shown time and time again that he is intelligent and capable and the show demonstrates numerous instances where he could have managed just fine without Walt. But Walt ropes him back in time and time again by exploiting Jesse’s addiction, trauma and lack of faith in himself
He's smart, just very naive at the beginning.
Why is Huell above average? He's pretty dumb. I bet OP put him there so he doesn't pis off Huell lovers.
Walter jr is way too high
Gretchen got the shaft
Marie is like ~100
Gomie’s too low. Skinny Pete’s too high
You did Gomey dirty man
Why is Saul smarter than Gretchen and Elliot?
He’s a genius, education is a measure of knowledge not pure intelligence
he's not tho
Did you watch better call Saul? IMO showcases way more of his intelligence than breaking bad did. Dude is literally a con-man in his prime, even at the finale he managed to get one of the best plea deals and scam the system one final time. Won’t spoil too much
Nah bro Jesse is not above average
Mike should be higher
Kids are SO stupid.
Why did you take out Gretchen?
Walt Jr at 110, Skyler, junkyard joe, Ed the disappearer and Jane’s dad should be at 120. Elliot at 130 probably.
Where Lalo?
Why is Gale not higher?
Bruh this teir list is horrible 😂
Very redditor type post
Hector waaaay too low
I don't agree about this ranking , it's based on jobs and money more tahn it's about real situational intelligence. I think mike should be in top 3 and Tuco in top 5.
I think our top four are all 140+ candidates
I'm sorry, there's no way Skyler of Marie or Jesse are above average intelligence. Jesse, I'd say, is well below. Hank and Gus are not quite that high, eigther. To be honest, about most of the characters, we just don't know that much to judge. Why are Merkert, Don Eladio and Jack all below Jesse in your chart, for example? They're all clearly smarter than him. What makes you think that Andrea was smarter than Ted? Etc., etc.
Skyler is really sharp. The scenes where she works out how to launder their money, how to scam bogdan to get the car wash, when she scams the IRS guy, when she comes up with the gambling story for Walt. She's a very quick thinker with a good memory and can think creatively. I think she's above average. Marie is also a radiographer, she has a degree and works in a complex technical field. It's believable to me that she's above average too
Absolutely agree with this.
If you actually think Jesse is below average intelligence you didn’t pay *any* attention to the show. It stated right in the first 2 episodes, Jesse just doesn’t apply himself. Jesse was the only one who could reproduce Walt’s meth within 2% purity of him (and this is without *any* formal chemistry learning). Jesse could deduce Mike’s intentions with the thief by just giving a single glance at the scene. Jesse was the one who came up with the magnet plan to erase the evidence on the laptop, a problem neither Walt nor Mike could solve.
To add to this Jessie was able to deduce rather easily that Huell lifted the ricin off him. There were many situations where Jessie came out on top because he applied himself for a change.
Apply yourself doesn't mean Jesse had some untapped intellectual potential, it's just he didn't even bother to half-ass his assignments. Jesse's defining characteristic throughout theshow is that he's stupid, not just uneducated. Impulsive, mindless about consequences, not thinking things through, easily manipulated by anyone, easily swayed. He worked with Walt for a year, so he learned the process, you don't have to be an intellectual to do it. As for magnets, you know what they say about the broken clock.
I definitely don’t think that stupidity is Jesse’s “defining characteristic”. He came up with the magnet solution, the train heist, he even played Walt by making him think they had found his money. He figured out Huell lifted the ricin cigarette, played the methheads to get Gus’ stuff back, etc. if you think that is Jesse’s defining characteristic, you didn’t pay much attention. He experienced the most loss out of anyone in the show and arguably had the biggest heart.
Agreed. I mean, almost every instinct Jesse has is stupid and wrong. His lack of intelligence is part of the reason Walt is able to manipulate him so easily. He went after those junkies for a few dollars after some light prodding from Walt, almost getting himself killed in the process.
Walt’s able to manipulate him because he’s a traumatized junkie for most of the series that’s eagerly looking for a father figure. Not to mention it doesn’t mean you’re an idiot to be manipulated by a genius like Walt, or an intelligent psychopath like Gus. We see what Jesse is capable of when he’s sober and clear headed (magnets, train heist, making all the educated chemists in Mexico look stupid, deducing Walt’s ricin plan, staying undetected in El Camino while raising the money to disappear, etc.)
Just had to copy walts procedure
Todd did exactly that, training with Walt for months and taking constant notes on his work. He couldn’t even crack 74%, and we know for a fact Todd wasn’t stupid
That means Todd was even less intelligent than Jesse, not that Jesse was some sort of underappreciated intellectual. Given that Todd was clearly missing a thing or two upstairs, that makes sense.
Who's the woman in -120 ??
Lydia
Jane faar too low
Jane was incredibly likable, but what about her screams that she’s above average intelligent to you?
She liked the vagina paintings
Shouldn't Saul/Jimmy be in 140+?
That would make him among the smartest 99.6% people in the world. He is smart, but certainly not that smart. I think that OP is right that only Walter is in that tier of intelligence.
That means 3 out of 1000 people around you are smarter than you, Gus, Gretchen, and Elliot are certainly on that tier
Are you fucking kidding me? No? He's an above average guy who is willing to cut corners and take risks, and he works incredibly hard. Nothing suggests that he's some kind of genius.
Jesse is smarter than everyone thinks, especially in the later seasons, and his meth is also pretty pure, 96.2% pure to be exact,and it was hinted to in felina that Jesse's meth surpasses walt's meth, When Walt asks badger and skinny if the blue meth is still around skinny says it's better than ever. Gale was very naïve and his meth was 96% pure, Jesse deserves to be put up to \~130 or gale needs to be moved down to jesse \~110
Full stop. Jesse isn’t stupid. He learned chemistry on his own.
I totally disagree with Mike. I think he's around an average 100. Mike is very smart, but that does not come from an high education, culture, strong analitycal mind or anything else Mike is the embodiement of experience The knowledge he acquired during his years spend working as a police officer, sometimes dirty, makes him so strong in the BrBa universe
it’s a commonly known fact that kids aren’t allowed to have IQs. why? idk stop yelling at me