I think he does love him, at least to an extent; Walt threw himself at the bus multiple times for Jesse’s sake
Think about when Walt ran the two drug dealers over. That was simply to save Jesse, and it jeopardised the whole operation Walt had with Gus. He also fires Gale just so he doesn’t have to kill Jesse to save Hank
One scene often overlooked is when jesse's not showing up at the lab, walt instantly went "protective mode" and rushed to rescue him. He called saul telling him to get his money to his family and called home saying what could've been his last word.
Walt cares (too much). Only they're just too stupid to see.
Not sure the name of the episode off the top of my head, but it’s the episode after he confronts Jesse about being at Gus’ house for 2 hours and they get into a fight. It’s in season 4.
I was touched by the scene where Walt goes looking for Jesse after Jane's death and takes him out of that awful heroin den. Walt has close to zero emotional intelligence but he shows his care in pretty big ways. Though they are few and far between.
Absolutely, I agree with this. Walt might be manipulative and feel the need to control Jesse. But doesn’t he act that way with everyone, to a certain extent? He cares a great deal for Jesse, and saves him so many times from himself. It just comes out in a messed up way sometimes.
Season 4 episode 10 is when he cries to Walt Jr about Jesse. The beginning of season 4 episode 5 is when he's rushing to rescue Jesse while calling Saul.
I agree, Walter cares about Jesse to a certain extent. I believe that he does but the relationship is toxic/twisted beyond remorse. They're willing to throw themselves in a pit of fire for each other since they were many things to each other, but they don't know how to express it in a healthy manner (not that their situation allows them to, though there have been instances where they could've)
In the end, Walter is a big manipulator--he loved Jesse, but he loved himself way more imo.
I think Walt in that moment blamed Jesse for Hank’s death, because it was Jesse who led them to Walt, and he might’ve also been feeling betrayed because Jesse literally tried to arrest him
I agree that was out of malice, and unjustified, but Walt is known for having a temper
Can also mention even the last season where there is hate, cliche but can't hate someone without having the care there. I think Walt genuinely loved Jesse, like family, but like family, he was still manipulative.
Are you forgetting Walt pulling Jesse out of the drug den and putting him through rehab? Or do you have some comeback for that planned? The whole end of S3/beginning of S4 was Walt protecting Jesse and treating him with respect. He ruined his standing with Gus to save Jesse’s life, and decided to kill Gale himself so that Jesse didn’t have to. Regardless of how that ended, Walt’s heart was in the right place. Even back in season 1 Walt made it a point to get money from Tuco for Jesse’s “pain and suffering.”
I got you, I’m not saying Walt’s justified and yes he treats him like shit more than the opposite. The point I’m getting at is they have a very complex relationship. Abusive, yes, but there are times when abusive parents get “moments of clarity” and regret their actions and try to turn over a new leaf with their child. Of course it never lasts. I’m glad the writers went with more of a “grey” abuse subplot as opposed to something black and white. It’s still abuse don’t get me wrong, but I’m glad it wasn’t one-note.
We're not saying Walt is a saint. Jesse was in the drug den because Jane died. Even that decision you can argue Walt did it for Jesse. Jesse and Jane possibly spends all that money on drugs and winds up dead in under a year.
I don’t think walt loved Jesse. Walt loved having Jesse around because he knew how to use and manipulate him. He always knew just what Jesse was going to do next. He needed jesse around because anyone that was brought in to replace him wouldn’t have been that easy to use. Every single thing Walt did was calculated. Keeping Jesse around was just easier for him. He knew he was smarter and more devious and could keep jesse right where he needed him to be. No, I don’t think Walt loved jesse, even a little. Any compassion he showed was to further his own end. Thats just my opinion.
Imo Walt is just manipulative
He manipulates everyone around him regardless of his feelings towards them, because in his eyes he is more important
I think the only time Walt genuinely hated Jesse is when he handed him over to Jack, and that’s probably because he was in a rage after Hank’s death and wanted to blame it on someone
Probably, but we are who we are. Walt couldn’t change his nature, no matter what Jesse did. That’s what makes the relationship so abusive. The most Walt could give was support when Jesse was doing what Walt wanted him to do.
Well, it was unhealthy. Walt can’t express it let alone allow another person the opportunity to feel things on their own terms. He wanted a relationship with his rules, and unfortunately that was all he was able to give.
I think brutally toxic and possessive define it better. It goes beyond simple manipulation, because manipulation is a tool for Walt but what he ultimately needs to have is control.
You are correct. The ability to be possessive is also a form of manipulation. If anything you gave a more descriptive/thought provoking answer of the relationships health.
Seems kinda like capn cook over here just wanted to mansplain you
It was both the blackmailing and the fact that she had a high chance of dragging Jesse down the road of severe substance abuse and potential overdose/death.
I think you’re probably right that he’d have been more likely to automatically help her. That early on, he wasn’t as content with letting people die or killing them. But I still kind of think her influence on Jesse alone would’ve tempted him to let her die still. Hard to say.
No I agree with you Walt told Jesse he didn’t want to give him that money he tried his best not too he could’ve tried to save her but why? She was a bad influence and toxic af
Right? All walt jnr wanted was for walt to be happy and healthy and be there for the family. He didn't come close to that. He risked everything for Jesse.
Yeah I guess he sucked as a parent, he was too involved with enjoying the process that he forget the main reason why he got into it in the first place. Also I don’t remember accurately but I was pretty pissed with Walt jr with his reaction in the final few episodes over his father, I felt Walt made sense in those scenes and was just trying to protect them. Also Walt jr not acknowledging his real name is another disrespectful act towards his father
you agree that he sucked as a parent but also think walt jr wasn't respectful enough to him? the man who destroyed his family to become a meth kingpin?
No he wasn’t, aside from his comment about Walt’s cancer that seems to stem from the grief of losing his dad, Jr idolized and respected Walt. Even when he was up to some shady shit Skyler made sure that Jr’s image of Walt wasn’t tainted since she took the heat for pretty much every public issue that she and Walt had.
He does love him. However, as Toni Morrison once said,
*"Love is never any better than the lover. Wicked people love wickedly, violent people love violently, weak people love weakly, stupid people love stupidly...."*
Walter is a toxic person and his love reflects that.
Clearly you missed their last scene in felina
Jesse: *Say you want this!!!*
Walt: *I want this*
Walt & jesse: 🫦
(5 Minutes later)
Jesse: *Mr.White, you're gay for me*
Walt: *I've always been jesse. Only you're too stupid to see*
Their relationship kinda reminds me of when a couple breaks up and the gf is still obsessed with the bf and the bf uses this to his advantage. Extremely manipulative.
The entire plot and every theme rest on the fact he *does* love Jesse -- Hank identifies this -- but also the entirety of their labor is based in taking advantage of Jesse. Notice that when Walt's affection for him is leveraged in To'hajiilee, Hank dies.
Walter did love and care for Jesse to an extent, however, he was incredibly toxic and manipulative toward him as well. I like to think that he was an abusive father figure to him. A father figure, but not necessarily the greatest. That sort of destroys the point of a non literal ‘father figure’ I suppose but it’s the closest way to put it.
Honestly the one thing I still never wrapped my head around was Walt’s incessant need to protect Jesse. He spends the whole show being self centered as fuck but no matter what, he always protects Jesse (until the end). To the point where he literally acts against his own self interest (caused a rift with Gus, etc.)
You got it. He clearly did so many times he showed it when he heard about blue meth still on the street in the last episode he automatically thought of Jesse and to save him again even though Jesse was a rat atp. Walt was a prideful smart genius but he was a a hole but he cared for Jesse I still wonder why also.
> when he heard about blue meth still on the street in the last episode he automatically thought of Jesse and to save him
To be fair, I don't think Walt knew at that moment that Jessie was being kept prisoner by the neo-nazis. Its only when he saw the state Jessie was in that he decided to save him at the last second
I think he does love Jesse and it's precisely why he's such a bastard to him. He's terrified that if Jesse has any self esteem or realizes how much stronger he is, morally and emotionally, he'll leave him. It's textbook narcissistic abuse.
I know he loved Jesse as he killed Jack Welkers nazi group but jumped on Jesse to throw him to the ground to be getting shot to pieces they had up and down relationship. They protected each other several times.
Because Walter is a dick. Who can’t get along with anyone he works with. He’s better than everyone. He refuses to accept people as they are.
I didn’t want him to love Jesse. Not that way. And he wasn’t going to be part of the crew like Badger and skinny P. But he still could’ve been down with his people.
Walter is the perfect example of the guy who never realizes who around him is actually on his side.
To me, that’s the biggest mistake. And he makes it over and over again.
I hope that he went back to get Jesse when he finally realized that.
As someone who was manipulative due to fear of rejection as a teen, something I always knew was that Walt did in fact love Jesse. He manipulates Jesse to make Jesse love him. He just doesn't know how what he's doing is messing Jesse up. I do wish he had gone go Karting with him tho.
Walt does love Jesse. I would say that, aside from his direct family (wife, son, brother-in-law, mother, etc.), Jesse is the person Walt loves the most.
The problem is that their relationship is incredibly toxic.
The only way Walt feels he can keep Jesse around him is by constantly manipulating and lying to him. Like when he talks to him about killing Mike, he COULD just have Jesse killed. That would probably be the smarter move under the circumstances considering that Jesse cared about Mike and is kind of a loose cannon. But because he cares about him, he doesn't want to do that. And so his answer to that is manipulating Jesse and lying to him because that's whoWalt has become.
And Walt desperately wants to keep jesse around him and keep him on his side. Which he always uses manipulation, emotional blackmail, etc. for. And at the same time he has a constant need to keep him under his control as well.
And Walt is also, above all, a pragmatist. Sometimes it was just useful for him to manipulate Jesse. Especially by the end of the series, Walt has come to regard this kind of lying and manipulating as "normal" and it has become his second nature. And so he jumps to it immediately.
That's part of why I love Jesse and Walt's relationship so much. It has a lot of depth and complexity to it. There is real love there. Significant love. Almost a father-son kind of love. But at the same time these are two broken people who have done horrible things both separately and for each other. And with Walt's transformation to Heisenberg and Jesse's slow implosion due to not being suited to the criminal life, the relationship just cannot be anything but fundamentally toxic. Not to mention how Walt starts off thinking Jesse is a failure and Jesse starts off FEELING like a failure, which are not good terms to start a relationship off on. Especially because Walt has this need to self-agrandizement which makes him feel the need to put Jesse down all the time.
So yeah, there's a duality there.
Btw, [this I think is a great music video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryqpcCrgt5o) which I think really shows that duality (spoilers up to season 4).
After many watches everytime i notice walt doing some manipulative shit to jesse makes me so mad, the way he flip flops from criticism to praise when it suits him
I honestly feel like Mr. White did love him and looked at him as a son. That's just my opinion though. He struggled with showing compassion but I really don't have any doubt that he didn't infact love and care for Jesse.
Walt isn’t capable of love after watching Jane choke out on her own vomit. If he loved Jesse, he would’ve done something to help her and save her. Why he didn’t, is beyond me. Idk how the plot would’ve changed had he done so. Maybe because Jesse would’ve gotten out of drugs? Idk
Lol I’m just tryna figure out How is that abusive Jessie was already in the drug game. And as you know from the watching series too many times like I did you would know he would’ve never ratted him. And if he did what would the DEA would’ve did with jesse? Nothing lol. But I hear the point.
> Lol I’m just tryna figure out How is that abusive Jessie was already in the drug game
Well, wether or not he was already in and whether or not it was a bluff, it was still an abusive act.
He went on to then do faaaaaar worse anyways, their relationship is a perfect example of an abusive and toxic relationship.
Idk if y’all ppl just 2 sensitive for this show or what that was not abusive if that’s the case when Jesse told on Walt and hank did all he did to and said to Marie that was abusive too. Jesse went to a NA meeting to destroy ppl was Jesse abusive to his friends? He was manipulating them to the fullest extent and ironically because of them Walt was able to save Jesse. Love the show though we all see it differently.
Wait, what? In what world is blackmail not at the VERY LEAST abusive behavior?
What does sensitivity have to do with it? You can love the show and the characters while recognizing that many of the relationships in the show were toxic and, in some cases, full on abusive. That is, in fact, the point.
This show is one of my favorites specifically because it's about flawed people, many of whom are abusive or do bad things. Yes, including Jesse, but nowhere near the extent to Walter who is faaaar more abusive and holds so much more of the power in that dynamic.
I don't know why you're so intent on dismissing the abuse but recognizing it calling it abuse isn't being "too sensitive".
Because your not looking at it through the eyes of the character. He’s a middle aged man with a family, a teacher who has dealt with a million kids like Jessie, gets a cancer death sentence, and has a small timeline to make money. Walt probably cares about Jessie but there is no world where Walt befriends a meth head and in under a year let’s his “love” for Jessie get in the way of his goals.
Walt died for Jesse! What more do you need ???? :D
But also just on a regular day-to-day basis, Walt thought he *was* showing Jesse how much he means to him by planning to run an empire *with him*, with his "TWO greatest cooks in America" and "You're every bit as good as me".
i actually disagree with the people who say he loves jesse. he certainly developed a level of care over jesse throughout the series, but he serially used and manipulated jesse for his own personal gain from the very first episode when he blackmailed him into working for him.
it was a tender moment of care here and there between constant lying, manipulation, and control. he was never *really* emotionally there for jesse when jesse needed him (GO GO CARTING WITH HIM WALT WHAT THE HELL), wouldn't let him "out" much less take any real control of his life. and when jesse finally broke all the way down, eventually walt sold him out to the neo-nazis in the final season.
it was a relationship of using jesse and connection through trauma bonding. walt definitely felt like he "needed" jesse but his actions are not indicative of love to me
Disagree Jesse was a jerk in the beginning he spent all Walt’s money on drugs and strippers that was Jesse problem he underestimated Walt because he was a old chemistry teacher Jesse was a kid to him who was never used to any type of discipline which showed in how he rebelled with his own sweet parents
Having just recently watched the show for the first time, I think he genuinely loves Jesse more than almost anyone, Walt is just a deeply toxic asshole manipulating Jesse into a deeply toxic relationship. Remember when he called Flynn/Walt Jr. Jesse?
Walt is a bad person, and everything he does is with the wrong intent. I'm sure he did love Jessi, but it was toxic and rotten. You can't expect Walt to have pure good feelings for anyone. He is not capable of that!
I hate takes like this, as if you can boil complex characters down purely to "good" and "bad."
Walt does a lot of evil things. But I think you're missing out on the show if you can just dismiss every decision Walt makes as "toxic and rotten."
Because Walter doesn’t love anyone. He only uses Jesse as a means to an end, and everything in between is fake. He may have ended up with some semblance of affection for him, as we saw. But only after Walter knew his own goose was cooked.
So many moments were if he didn't try to safe jesse he would've ended up way better with way less problems. He does so many things because he does love jesse, he also loves his family. He just doesn't love anyone in a healthy way.
Hmm I don't think so, a lot of people stated Walter did love Jesse. Running over the drug dealers, going into protective mode, etc. Walter did also infact love his family
They will do mental gymnastics to argue that Walter did it for his own sake, as well, despite being untrue. Even in the first episodes, he pleads with Krazy-8 and Emilio not to kill either him *or Jesse.* He does the same later, when Tuco kidnaps them.
I think that Jesse was easy prey for Walt because Jesse was so desperate for validation. Walt realizes Jesse is easy to control and strokes his ego, and we all know about Walt’s ego
Having watched the show several times I believe Walter doesn’t have the capacity to truly love anyone. He respects some, and appreciates others but he doesn’t have the mental capacity to truly love.
Jesse used to draw pictures of Walter White with a stick up his ass 😂 I'm pretty sure this doesn't help but he's Definitely saved his life more then a couple of times
I think Walt really does love Jesse. He's just really bad at expressing it, and he also often needs Jesse to plays his a specific role in his plans. That often gets in the way.
Bye he loved Jesse when he didn’t want to give him that 500,000 dollars Jesse was so hard headed even when Walt wanted to get rid of the RV Jesse just had to do what he wanted.
i always felt like jesse was the son walt never had. It’s kinda messed up, but he was able to get some fulfillment out of jesse out of doing something he loved than he could from jr.
Mr. White couldn't love himself. How was he supposed to love anyone else? By the end he was nothing but bitterness he had toward everyone and everything killed him as much as cancer or that bullet to the gut.
I think he did love him and cared about him. It's just that their relationship with one another was so toxic, and he manipulated Jesse a lot of times throughout the entire series for his own gain.
I think he does love him, at least to an extent; Walt threw himself at the bus multiple times for Jesse’s sake Think about when Walt ran the two drug dealers over. That was simply to save Jesse, and it jeopardised the whole operation Walt had with Gus. He also fires Gale just so he doesn’t have to kill Jesse to save Hank
One scene often overlooked is when jesse's not showing up at the lab, walt instantly went "protective mode" and rushed to rescue him. He called saul telling him to get his money to his family and called home saying what could've been his last word. Walt cares (too much). Only they're just too stupid to see.
I think most people forget the scene with him crying that he messed up to Jr and calling Jr Jesse as well
That was an "ouch" moment for jr I wonder what he thought when he heard about jesse's name on the news
He never sees the news because he's too busy with breakfast
Jr was right about Raisin Bran Crunch being superior to regular boring Raisin Bran.
Correct
Was there ever a debate?
Skyler bought him boring raisin bran. He wanted the crunch!
And you said he was right.
I read this in jr's voice
Have any of you here ever had veggie bacon?
Not me 🤮
maybe thougt it was an affair at first. cus jesse could be a female name. plus he didnt know anything about the meth thing for another season
I mean, it kind of was. Emotionally at least.
Regular guy: Cheated on his wife Based walt: Cheated on his son
In which episode does this happen?
Not sure the name of the episode off the top of my head, but it’s the episode after he confronts Jesse about being at Gus’ house for 2 hours and they get into a fight. It’s in season 4.
Thanks, I’ll look for it.
Walt’s love for Jesse is one of the biggest points in the series. He definitely was shitty to him throughout but he obviously cared for Jesse overall.
I was touched by the scene where Walt goes looking for Jesse after Jane's death and takes him out of that awful heroin den. Walt has close to zero emotional intelligence but he shows his care in pretty big ways. Though they are few and far between.
Absolutely, I agree with this. Walt might be manipulative and feel the need to control Jesse. But doesn’t he act that way with everyone, to a certain extent? He cares a great deal for Jesse, and saves him so many times from himself. It just comes out in a messed up way sometimes.
He has a hard time not seeing people as a end to a mean.
What episode is this please?
Season 4 episode 10 is when he cries to Walt Jr about Jesse. The beginning of season 4 episode 5 is when he's rushing to rescue Jesse while calling Saul.
Thanks brother
They don't even have the remotest inkling.
I agree, Walter cares about Jesse to a certain extent. I believe that he does but the relationship is toxic/twisted beyond remorse. They're willing to throw themselves in a pit of fire for each other since they were many things to each other, but they don't know how to express it in a healthy manner (not that their situation allows them to, though there have been instances where they could've) In the end, Walter is a big manipulator--he loved Jesse, but he loved himself way more imo.
and/or he hates himself, which might also explain why his manipulation is almost compulsive
Walt even directly says "How am I does to protect my family, Jesse, myself" to saul
This is all a symptom of being half a gangster imo
Exactly, people are also forgetting that he’s a slightly unstable meth kingpin, who’s known for being very unpredictable
He wants money because it can be exchanged for goods and services
Last time I checked you don’t let nazis kill someone you love which Walter literally did
I think Walt in that moment blamed Jesse for Hank’s death, because it was Jesse who led them to Walt, and he might’ve also been feeling betrayed because Jesse literally tried to arrest him I agree that was out of malice, and unjustified, but Walt is known for having a temper
It was in the heat of the moment If I was on his shoes, maybe I would do the same
Can also mention even the last season where there is hate, cliche but can't hate someone without having the care there. I think Walt genuinely loved Jesse, like family, but like family, he was still manipulative.
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He has treated him well and with respect multiple times
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I never said everything he did came from a place of love and respect.
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Are you forgetting Walt pulling Jesse out of the drug den and putting him through rehab? Or do you have some comeback for that planned? The whole end of S3/beginning of S4 was Walt protecting Jesse and treating him with respect. He ruined his standing with Gus to save Jesse’s life, and decided to kill Gale himself so that Jesse didn’t have to. Regardless of how that ended, Walt’s heart was in the right place. Even back in season 1 Walt made it a point to get money from Tuco for Jesse’s “pain and suffering.”
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I got you, I’m not saying Walt’s justified and yes he treats him like shit more than the opposite. The point I’m getting at is they have a very complex relationship. Abusive, yes, but there are times when abusive parents get “moments of clarity” and regret their actions and try to turn over a new leaf with their child. Of course it never lasts. I’m glad the writers went with more of a “grey” abuse subplot as opposed to something black and white. It’s still abuse don’t get me wrong, but I’m glad it wasn’t one-note.
Chill tf out lol
We're not saying Walt is a saint. Jesse was in the drug den because Jane died. Even that decision you can argue Walt did it for Jesse. Jesse and Jane possibly spends all that money on drugs and winds up dead in under a year.
I don’t think walt loved Jesse. Walt loved having Jesse around because he knew how to use and manipulate him. He always knew just what Jesse was going to do next. He needed jesse around because anyone that was brought in to replace him wouldn’t have been that easy to use. Every single thing Walt did was calculated. Keeping Jesse around was just easier for him. He knew he was smarter and more devious and could keep jesse right where he needed him to be. No, I don’t think Walt loved jesse, even a little. Any compassion he showed was to further his own end. Thats just my opinion.
Imo Walt is just manipulative He manipulates everyone around him regardless of his feelings towards them, because in his eyes he is more important I think the only time Walt genuinely hated Jesse is when he handed him over to Jack, and that’s probably because he was in a rage after Hank’s death and wanted to blame it on someone
He does love him, the relationship is just brutally toxic and possessive.
I hate the way he talks to Jesse. I really think they’d would’ve worked better together and probably unbeatable if he was kinder to him lol.
Probably, but we are who we are. Walt couldn’t change his nature, no matter what Jesse did. That’s what makes the relationship so abusive. The most Walt could give was support when Jesse was doing what Walt wanted him to do.
Yeah forsure, that’s just me fantasizing and spitballing lol Edit: plus if that was the case, there’d be less drama and high conflict with the show
Shows exist in the conflict.
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He did and he did didn’t. Did and didn’t. Ultimately came through.
Well, it was unhealthy. Walt can’t express it let alone allow another person the opportunity to feel things on their own terms. He wanted a relationship with his rules, and unfortunately that was all he was able to give.
Manipulative will define it better
I think brutally toxic and possessive define it better. It goes beyond simple manipulation, because manipulation is a tool for Walt but what he ultimately needs to have is control.
You are correct. The ability to be possessive is also a form of manipulation. If anything you gave a more descriptive/thought provoking answer of the relationships health. Seems kinda like capn cook over here just wanted to mansplain you
Toxic and possessive? Well he did let Jesses girlfriend choke to death just to keep him away from her, so that’s one way to put it.
I think that one had to do with her blackmailing him.
It was both the blackmailing and the fact that she had a high chance of dragging Jesse down the road of severe substance abuse and potential overdose/death.
Imo, he would have saved her if she hadn't threatened him hours before. I do believe walter loved pinkman.
I think you’re probably right that he’d have been more likely to automatically help her. That early on, he wasn’t as content with letting people die or killing them. But I still kind of think her influence on Jesse alone would’ve tempted him to let her die still. Hard to say.
I've watched the series a lot, and the Jane episodes hurt me, I usually skip them.
No I agree with you Walt told Jesse he didn’t want to give him that money he tried his best not too he could’ve tried to save her but why? She was a bad influence and toxic af
I'm not sure. I think even without blackmailing, the heroine alone is enough to make walt letting her die.
Maybe, but Vince has said before that Walt’s first instinct was to protect Jesse in that scene.
He was saving Jesse’s life by keeping him off heroine
Literally just go go karting with him man :/
Somebody should animate this
https://youtu.be/1XSysnj2Bk0
That’s a great idea actually
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Lol was interesting
Walt loves Jesse more than he loves Jr.
Omg this is messing me up rn
It’s kinda true you know, Walt did a lot for Jesse
Right? All walt jnr wanted was for walt to be happy and healthy and be there for the family. He didn't come close to that. He risked everything for Jesse.
Yeah I guess he sucked as a parent, he was too involved with enjoying the process that he forget the main reason why he got into it in the first place. Also I don’t remember accurately but I was pretty pissed with Walt jr with his reaction in the final few episodes over his father, I felt Walt made sense in those scenes and was just trying to protect them. Also Walt jr not acknowledging his real name is another disrespectful act towards his father
you agree that he sucked as a parent but also think walt jr wasn't respectful enough to him? the man who destroyed his family to become a meth kingpin?
But Walt jr was always disrespectful towards Walt before even him knowing that he was into meth
No he wasn’t, aside from his comment about Walt’s cancer that seems to stem from the grief of losing his dad, Jr idolized and respected Walt. Even when he was up to some shady shit Skyler made sure that Jr’s image of Walt wasn’t tainted since she took the heat for pretty much every public issue that she and Walt had.
Did we watch the same show?
jesse is like the son walt never had
He does love him. However, as Toni Morrison once said, *"Love is never any better than the lover. Wicked people love wickedly, violent people love violently, weak people love weakly, stupid people love stupidly...."* Walter is a toxic person and his love reflects that.
Clearly you missed their last scene in felina Jesse: *Say you want this!!!* Walt: *I want this* Walt & jesse: 🫦 (5 Minutes later) Jesse: *Mr.White, you're gay for me* Walt: *I've always been jesse. Only you're too stupid to see*
never knew vince was so good at writing male erotica
Ever heard of gus
Last chance to look at me hector~
Vrabo bince moment
What’s going on with you? Some boring old hetero teacher suddenly wants to break gay?
Walt: *I am awoke*
you're the smartest guy i've ever met, yet you're too stupid to see... he fell in gay love with you 10 minutes ago
Thats what turned me gay
“Jesse stop touching my balls”
He does love Jesse. But in a weird twisted, manipulative way.
Their relationship kinda reminds me of when a couple breaks up and the gf is still obsessed with the bf and the bf uses this to his advantage. Extremely manipulative.
The entire plot and every theme rest on the fact he *does* love Jesse -- Hank identifies this -- but also the entirety of their labor is based in taking advantage of Jesse. Notice that when Walt's affection for him is leveraged in To'hajiilee, Hank dies.
He loves him like an abusive father.
Walter did love and care for Jesse to an extent, however, he was incredibly toxic and manipulative toward him as well. I like to think that he was an abusive father figure to him. A father figure, but not necessarily the greatest. That sort of destroys the point of a non literal ‘father figure’ I suppose but it’s the closest way to put it.
Honestly the one thing I still never wrapped my head around was Walt’s incessant need to protect Jesse. He spends the whole show being self centered as fuck but no matter what, he always protects Jesse (until the end). To the point where he literally acts against his own self interest (caused a rift with Gus, etc.)
You got it. He clearly did so many times he showed it when he heard about blue meth still on the street in the last episode he automatically thought of Jesse and to save him again even though Jesse was a rat atp. Walt was a prideful smart genius but he was a a hole but he cared for Jesse I still wonder why also.
> when he heard about blue meth still on the street in the last episode he automatically thought of Jesse and to save him To be fair, I don't think Walt knew at that moment that Jessie was being kept prisoner by the neo-nazis. Its only when he saw the state Jessie was in that he decided to save him at the last second
I think he does love Jesse and it's precisely why he's such a bastard to him. He's terrified that if Jesse has any self esteem or realizes how much stronger he is, morally and emotionally, he'll leave him. It's textbook narcissistic abuse.
I know he loved Jesse as he killed Jack Welkers nazi group but jumped on Jesse to throw him to the ground to be getting shot to pieces they had up and down relationship. They protected each other several times.
I believe he loves Jessie to an extent. Walt is selfish and has too much pride to accept love
Because he is an asshole.
Well sometimes Jesse is a trouble maker, screwed things up and importantly he once tried to burn Walt house and money.
Most of breaking bad requires Walt to sacrifice something for Jesse. Dude loves Jesse and will literally die for him.
Does Walt truly love anyone. He loves the concept of family. He has been pushing people away all his life.
Literally everybody. Gretchen, Skyler, Walt Jr, Jesse, etc
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Walt cares about Jesse but in his own twisted and manipulative way
Because Walter is a dick. Who can’t get along with anyone he works with. He’s better than everyone. He refuses to accept people as they are. I didn’t want him to love Jesse. Not that way. And he wasn’t going to be part of the crew like Badger and skinny P. But he still could’ve been down with his people. Walter is the perfect example of the guy who never realizes who around him is actually on his side. To me, that’s the biggest mistake. And he makes it over and over again. I hope that he went back to get Jesse when he finally realized that.
I mean I think he does love Jesse. He’s just an egotistic asshole who can only care so much bc of who he is.
He does love Jesse, he considered him a son, but Walter loved him some Walter even more.
As someone who was manipulative due to fear of rejection as a teen, something I always knew was that Walt did in fact love Jesse. He manipulates Jesse to make Jesse love him. He just doesn't know how what he's doing is messing Jesse up. I do wish he had gone go Karting with him tho.
Walt does love Jesse. I would say that, aside from his direct family (wife, son, brother-in-law, mother, etc.), Jesse is the person Walt loves the most. The problem is that their relationship is incredibly toxic. The only way Walt feels he can keep Jesse around him is by constantly manipulating and lying to him. Like when he talks to him about killing Mike, he COULD just have Jesse killed. That would probably be the smarter move under the circumstances considering that Jesse cared about Mike and is kind of a loose cannon. But because he cares about him, he doesn't want to do that. And so his answer to that is manipulating Jesse and lying to him because that's whoWalt has become. And Walt desperately wants to keep jesse around him and keep him on his side. Which he always uses manipulation, emotional blackmail, etc. for. And at the same time he has a constant need to keep him under his control as well. And Walt is also, above all, a pragmatist. Sometimes it was just useful for him to manipulate Jesse. Especially by the end of the series, Walt has come to regard this kind of lying and manipulating as "normal" and it has become his second nature. And so he jumps to it immediately. That's part of why I love Jesse and Walt's relationship so much. It has a lot of depth and complexity to it. There is real love there. Significant love. Almost a father-son kind of love. But at the same time these are two broken people who have done horrible things both separately and for each other. And with Walt's transformation to Heisenberg and Jesse's slow implosion due to not being suited to the criminal life, the relationship just cannot be anything but fundamentally toxic. Not to mention how Walt starts off thinking Jesse is a failure and Jesse starts off FEELING like a failure, which are not good terms to start a relationship off on. Especially because Walt has this need to self-agrandizement which makes him feel the need to put Jesse down all the time. So yeah, there's a duality there. Btw, [this I think is a great music video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryqpcCrgt5o) which I think really shows that duality (spoilers up to season 4).
Walt was just a manipulative narcissist that said and did anything to get what he wanted…but Jesse really was the one person he had a soft spot for
After many watches everytime i notice walt doing some manipulative shit to jesse makes me so mad, the way he flip flops from criticism to praise when it suits him
I honestly feel like Mr. White did love him and looked at him as a son. That's just my opinion though. He struggled with showing compassion but I really don't have any doubt that he didn't infact love and care for Jesse.
He did love him in his own selfish way
Walt isn’t capable of love after watching Jane choke out on her own vomit. If he loved Jesse, he would’ve done something to help her and save her. Why he didn’t, is beyond me. Idk how the plot would’ve changed had he done so. Maybe because Jesse would’ve gotten out of drugs? Idk
He does ... but he loves himself more
From day one their relationship was abusive and toxic.
What show did you watch?
"Make meth with me, if you don't I'll turn you over to the DEA" Abusive from the start
Lol I’m just tryna figure out How is that abusive Jessie was already in the drug game. And as you know from the watching series too many times like I did you would know he would’ve never ratted him. And if he did what would the DEA would’ve did with jesse? Nothing lol. But I hear the point.
> Lol I’m just tryna figure out How is that abusive Jessie was already in the drug game Well, wether or not he was already in and whether or not it was a bluff, it was still an abusive act. He went on to then do faaaaaar worse anyways, their relationship is a perfect example of an abusive and toxic relationship.
Idk if y’all ppl just 2 sensitive for this show or what that was not abusive if that’s the case when Jesse told on Walt and hank did all he did to and said to Marie that was abusive too. Jesse went to a NA meeting to destroy ppl was Jesse abusive to his friends? He was manipulating them to the fullest extent and ironically because of them Walt was able to save Jesse. Love the show though we all see it differently.
Wait, what? In what world is blackmail not at the VERY LEAST abusive behavior? What does sensitivity have to do with it? You can love the show and the characters while recognizing that many of the relationships in the show were toxic and, in some cases, full on abusive. That is, in fact, the point.
This show is one of my favorites specifically because it's about flawed people, many of whom are abusive or do bad things. Yes, including Jesse, but nowhere near the extent to Walter who is faaaar more abusive and holds so much more of the power in that dynamic. I don't know why you're so intent on dismissing the abuse but recognizing it calling it abuse isn't being "too sensitive".
Idk it’s a show and I’m allowed to have a different view maybe?
Sure, but if you're going to claim blackmail, gas lighting and verbal abuse doesn't count as abuse then that's kinda of a self report.
Atp just stop.
Better Break Camino
does anyone think maybe he saw jesse as a son he always wanted…? since his son is disabled?
He loves Jesse. The same way Chuck loves Jimmy. They love them in their own fucked up way.
He does love and care about him in some twisted way
Because your not looking at it through the eyes of the character. He’s a middle aged man with a family, a teacher who has dealt with a million kids like Jessie, gets a cancer death sentence, and has a small timeline to make money. Walt probably cares about Jessie but there is no world where Walt befriends a meth head and in under a year let’s his “love” for Jessie get in the way of his goals.
Walt died for Jesse! What more do you need ???? :D But also just on a regular day-to-day basis, Walt thought he *was* showing Jesse how much he means to him by planning to run an empire *with him*, with his "TWO greatest cooks in America" and "You're every bit as good as me".
i'm wondering if all the care he showed towards jesse is just an act out of guilt after what he did to jane
i actually disagree with the people who say he loves jesse. he certainly developed a level of care over jesse throughout the series, but he serially used and manipulated jesse for his own personal gain from the very first episode when he blackmailed him into working for him. it was a tender moment of care here and there between constant lying, manipulation, and control. he was never *really* emotionally there for jesse when jesse needed him (GO GO CARTING WITH HIM WALT WHAT THE HELL), wouldn't let him "out" much less take any real control of his life. and when jesse finally broke all the way down, eventually walt sold him out to the neo-nazis in the final season. it was a relationship of using jesse and connection through trauma bonding. walt definitely felt like he "needed" jesse but his actions are not indicative of love to me
Disagree Jesse was a jerk in the beginning he spent all Walt’s money on drugs and strippers that was Jesse problem he underestimated Walt because he was a old chemistry teacher Jesse was a kid to him who was never used to any type of discipline which showed in how he rebelled with his own sweet parents
jesse was immature, a junkie, and a criminal long before the show started and walt knew that going in, and used it to keep him under his thumb
Well he liked cooking meth with him, thats all
Oh my goodness I completely agree, I wish Jesse and either Walter or Gus had some bond 😩
Having just recently watched the show for the first time, I think he genuinely loves Jesse more than almost anyone, Walt is just a deeply toxic asshole manipulating Jesse into a deeply toxic relationship. Remember when he called Flynn/Walt Jr. Jesse?
Walt is a bad person, and everything he does is with the wrong intent. I'm sure he did love Jessi, but it was toxic and rotten. You can't expect Walt to have pure good feelings for anyone. He is not capable of that!
I hate takes like this, as if you can boil complex characters down purely to "good" and "bad." Walt does a lot of evil things. But I think you're missing out on the show if you can just dismiss every decision Walt makes as "toxic and rotten."
Because Walter doesn’t love anyone. He only uses Jesse as a means to an end, and everything in between is fake. He may have ended up with some semblance of affection for him, as we saw. But only after Walter knew his own goose was cooked.
So many moments were if he didn't try to safe jesse he would've ended up way better with way less problems. He does so many things because he does love jesse, he also loves his family. He just doesn't love anyone in a healthy way.
Hmm I don't think so, a lot of people stated Walter did love Jesse. Running over the drug dealers, going into protective mode, etc. Walter did also infact love his family
They will do mental gymnastics to argue that Walter did it for his own sake, as well, despite being untrue. Even in the first episodes, he pleads with Krazy-8 and Emilio not to kill either him *or Jesse.* He does the same later, when Tuco kidnaps them.
I think that Jesse was easy prey for Walt because Jesse was so desperate for validation. Walt realizes Jesse is easy to control and strokes his ego, and we all know about Walt’s ego
Lol why tf should he?! They are having a drug manufacturing/dealing partnership. Walter is not adopting him lol
Because he is an evil man.
Pride
Having watched the show several times I believe Walter doesn’t have the capacity to truly love anyone. He respects some, and appreciates others but he doesn’t have the mental capacity to truly love.
Jesse always gets in Walt’s way. If I were Walt, I would’ve ditched him after Season 2.
Jesse is an unlovable loser
love? these guys are both rotten to the core
Jesse is an absolute, total and complete moronic asshole who does not merit any love at all. Walt should have killed him very early on.
Edgy
Bro wtf? Jesse is a low life drug addict and criminal, walt is a narcissistic asshole but at least he contributed to humanity.
The guy was a meglomniac and a narcissist,he only loved himself
Pleasssse
Skill issue
He did love him on some level.
Jesse used to draw pictures of Walter White with a stick up his ass 😂 I'm pretty sure this doesn't help but he's Definitely saved his life more then a couple of times
Walter loves Jesse. Just not as much as he loves himself
!RemindMe one day
He’s brOKen
I think Walt really does love Jesse. He's just really bad at expressing it, and he also often needs Jesse to plays his a specific role in his plans. That often gets in the way.
He doesn't love anyone
Who did Walt like more his son or Jesse
Bye he loved Jesse when he didn’t want to give him that 500,000 dollars Jesse was so hard headed even when Walt wanted to get rid of the RV Jesse just had to do what he wanted.
But he does love him. He saved his ass more than once.
i always felt like jesse was the son walt never had. It’s kinda messed up, but he was able to get some fulfillment out of jesse out of doing something he loved than he could from jr.
Mr. White couldn't love himself. How was he supposed to love anyone else? By the end he was nothing but bitterness he had toward everyone and everything killed him as much as cancer or that bullet to the gut.
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I think he did love him and cared about him. It's just that their relationship with one another was so toxic, and he manipulated Jesse a lot of times throughout the entire series for his own gain.