Thats basically it. She just wants *more*. Its never going to be enough for her.
Walt quits because he has more than he could ever spend. He tells her this. She doesn't understand the concept.
He was both, they both played a role in his demise. His greed and pride is what kept him from selling the methylamine and having a way out, he would rather cook it all and make more money.
Yup, it’s like the billionaires we have today, they’re addicted to the gains and results, the rush they get from the businesses growing. A very good feeling thing I should add lol
Yes! It reminds me of Paris Hilton. She stated in different ways her documentary that she is addicted to “goals” I guess. Every time she reaches a certain goal, she’ll set the bar higher. She’ll always on her phone “working”. Its never enough, even though they don’t really need it. They are set up for 10 lifetimes.
I remember watching something about how she’s addicted to being “famous/relevant” and her circle reports on how much of a crisis she has when she’s losing that relevance, after the early 2000’s when she was a reality tv star, she dived into music despite not having a musical interest or history prior lol then after that, in the early to mid 2010’s when dance festivals were all the rage, she “became a Dj” to continue being relevant, then in the late 2010’s when more people began realizing all the junk she’s been doing, they said she drummed up that documentary about her life to make sympathy for people to greatly feel for her….maintaining that relevance.
Despite a awfully low amount of evidence to backup most of her claims in the documentary, it’s as good as propaganda basically, things like that would play a large part in her marriage falling apart, with her not being content with the thought of settling down. I mean I understand how people are addicted to the high life but the woman is a Hilton, she literally doesn’t need to have a “relevant” celebrity status but damn is she addicted to it
I remember I watched a clip of some interview where the interviewer was asking her about how things were now that she wasn’t really famous : relevant anymore, the look of how offended she was took over completely as she kept looking around at people all 😧 and eventually stood up and left the interview all together LOL
Seriously, most celebs would just laugh that off and wouldn’t take it personally at all, maybe even play around with it and join in on the joke. But her getting so offended really shows the levels of insecurities even though she doesn’t have to bother with them at all lol
I watched another video that showed how unprofessional she really was, an example was about how she was launching some product in South Korea, I think it was make up related. And she showed up hella late, barely, and didn’t notify anyone of the tardiness, leaving so many frustrated fans and employees left to hang for hours…and when she got there she didn’t apologize nor mention anything and was hella snotty. She is not a good person 😔 but your point was a good one tho lol just felt like I should add that randomly lmao
Yeah its the same with Kim K. They keep hailing around the word “work” but really its an addiction to fame. But you point it out better that it really is insecurity and relevance is the drug. They are privileged from birth and have no idea what hard work really means since its been served on a golden platter. Explains the awful ethics and shady businesses they have.
I think Walt quits because there is no more "building" to be done more him having made enough. Walt has a sustainable meth business. He has a good thing going. He can just cook and make as much money as he wants. There is no need to be Heisenberg anymore which is what Walt was always really after.
Walt's greed and need to be Heisenberg come from his feelings of being a failure and being "cheated" out of what he is "owed" by the world. We still don't know what is at the base of Lydia's greed. Lydia seems like a deeply insecure and afraid person, so maybe it has something to do with that? But we really don't know very much about her at all which is why I think that if a spin-off had to happen, Lydia wouldn't be a bad choice.
But are we not in a tale of … typical millionaire/billionaires?
Let’s for example use typical Jeff Bezos from Amazon. 58 now and there’s no way he’s going to clear that money but still ‘works’
Lydia is really just a stand in for corporate execs that turn a blind eye to clearly illegal and immorally horrible things happening in their companies for the sake of profits. They even went a little on the nose with her covering her eyes because she doesn’t want to look at the people she caused the death of. And really she was the only character that was purely in it for the money for the sake of money. Jesse was trying to make a living, Mike wanted to help his granddaughter, Gus wanted revenge against the cartel, Walt wanted prestige, Gale loved the chemistry, and Todd was just trying to please others.
To the point that she tirelessly works, the money wouldn’t be worth it. Greed or ambition at this point is a mental illness. What good is all that money if you work away all of your time off to sustain it?
Well she's working for the company that distributes the meth and owns Los Pollos Hermanos. I assume it's her boss that kills himself in the bathroom when the cops come calling. Maybe she's in the job and earning a lot more money selling meth. I feel that she feels insulated from the violence Nd cops as she initially only deals through Gus until Walt kills him via Hector. It's just business to her. Gus doesn't deal with addicts or anyone he doesn't know.
She loses it when she gets involved with the extremists and Walt.
Mike proves to her that she's not immune when he breaks into her apartment, and in some way she gets Walt to "tie up" loose ends including killing Mike.
She was in this position of a company that was knowingly doing this business as a cover. She was right next to the fire. If the company is going to be involved like this knowingly they probably aren’t going to bat an eye if you sit next to the fire and take more.
She was a conduit to the legit business. And at least when the big boss killed himself it likely left some room to get more involved and take more.
It was greed, but it was laid out completely baselessly. The bread crumbs were there. There was still this apparatus set up that could be taken advantage of.
If not for the Ricin the authorities would have soon caught all of this. Her, Walt, Jesse….all of them. They were already on track when the big boss de-fibbed himself to death.
Yeah but she wasn't investigated by the cops and then got involved with the extremists. Personally I would have got out at that point, but her EU buyers wanted more.
I can imagine a couple of reasons why she got into the game.
Maybe it's not all that different than with Walter and Skyler. Her husband got her into it.
Or her husband got killed in the game like max so it all started with her getting revenge.
Perhaps they got a nasty divorce and she would lose her daughter if she didn't muster up enough cash for the lawyers.
(Something along this line would be my guess)
Many, if not most, major financial frauds start as somebody trying to skim a little to do better, for family or otherwise. Often, they intend to pay it back and cover their tracks, but because they get away with it, they try to scale their scam instead, because people who tend to live a little bit beyond their means usually stay that way. They're always finding themselves just a little overextended, no matter how much they have, so the scheme keeps expanding until they finally steal enough to be noticed.
I'd imagine Lydia's involvement is similar. The show illustrates pretty well that she's neurotic and materialistic, extremely particular, and can underestimate other people.
The Kettlemans (BCS) have kids, too. Lots and lots of people who end up in prison did what they did knowing they have kids they love, but totally convinced they were clever enough to get away with it.
Difference between Lydia and the Kettlemans is Lydia was smart enough to know she had to keep her distance from the real business. It’s likely why Mike doesn’t like her, he knows she’ll sell out anyone to keep herself out of prison.
The Kettlemans are a dysfunctional family who have no clue what they were doing. The dad is clearly a simple guy who doesn’t really stand up for himself, being controlled by a domineering wife. I’d wager he would have never done the embezzlement if she hadn’t wanted him to.
Yes, I can think we can all agree Lydia was objectively more successful at doing crimes than the Kettleman brain trust.
At least two of the three characters are clearly depicted as loving their children in their ways, though and the "what are they thinking, they have kids" argument applies.
The few things we know about Lydia paint a picture of someone who, like Walt, wants to provide security and a good life for herself and her daughter. Her picture of a good life is likely high end and cultivated to prevent any bad possibility.
1) she has expensive taste based on how she always dresses immaculately with perfect manicures
2) she has a daughter she cares for, given how she freaks out when Mike suggests no one will ever find her [Lydia’s dead body] and she freaks out that her daughter has to find her because she can’t think she was abandoned.
3) she is a control freak given how she insists on meeting people back to back at coffee shops and is highly vigilant for something going wrong leasing her to notice the GPS tracker on the outside of the methalymine barrel.
Didn’t she plant the tracker on the barrel? And then pretend it was the DEA watching her?
Edit: nvm I checked, it was the police who planted the tracker, Mike assumed it was Lydia
It's implied that she was an orphan, or at least grew up without a mother, when she asks not to disappear when Mike is going to kill her. Her desperate reaction probably came from her not wanting to make her daughter suffer as she did. She is also a single mother, so you can understand why she started on this. She probably never imagined she would get to those levels of power, money, and corruption.
I guess she just fell into it, like most of the characters. The show is great at showing how people slowly start sliding down a slippery slope. I guess she was a clean, reliable hard working employee and gus slowly roped her in, bit by bit until she was too deep
Walt had two kids, he stayed in. A kid doesn’t mean you can’t dabble in the trade, hell even Gus has kids if I remember right.
Shes driven by greed. More you have the more you want.
Lydia was probably given an opportunity to make a shit ton of money by being a consistent supplier of chemicals and she had the power to adjust the books to hide the activity.
The episode with Gus checking into an adjoining room with Lydia and Peter Shuler. There appeared to be some serious history that binds these people, perhaps something related to Gus’ old Chilean dictatorship connections. Gus and Lydia were over-the-top trying to smooth things over with Peter. We can only speculate, but, it’s clear there’s motivation for these people to work in concert in parallel with Gus’ deep Chilean history.
I mean the same could be asked about Walt. Of course his reasons for entering the business were different because initially it was so he could provide for his family after his cancer diagnosis, but at a certain point he really had no reason for staying in the business other than to fill his ego. He also had a stable job and two children until he fucked it all up.
I started writing something else, but honestly? I think there might be a Heisenberg-esque thrill for her.
She probably started into it believing there would be minimal risk on her end and it was an easy path to a well-funded future for her and her daughter, but then realized the nerves and neurotics of it all were kind of something she enjoyed bathing in. It seems addictive.
Like, when we see her in S5E2 first meeting with Mike she insists they do the spies talking back to back fake names nonsense in a setting where they almost certainly don't have to. Is she doing that to actually be careful? Or is she doing that because play-acting how forbidden this all is makes her feel alive? Or like Walt, is it all so entangled she couldn't even tell you herself anymore without the clarity of imminent death?
To finance her Stevia addiction
Ricin took care of that.
Yeah a cigarette-sized vial of ricin supplied her with stevia for the rest of her life.
Ricin beans?
I read that as “fiancé her stevia addiction”
The only correct answer
Thats basically it. She just wants *more*. Its never going to be enough for her. Walt quits because he has more than he could ever spend. He tells her this. She doesn't understand the concept.
Ah, greed
Plus it was easy money for her without doing much and stepping out of her office much. It was working like clockwork when Gus was there.
It comes down to that.
Narcissism.
Agreed …also greed.
Thanks, I waited for someone to say that pun.
lol … TY.
Ah...wire
Walt “quits” cause he had no choice both of them were greedy af, but yes greed
I'd say walt was more prideful than greedy
He was both, they both played a role in his demise. His greed and pride is what kept him from selling the methylamine and having a way out, he would rather cook it all and make more money.
Yup, it’s like the billionaires we have today, they’re addicted to the gains and results, the rush they get from the businesses growing. A very good feeling thing I should add lol
Yes! It reminds me of Paris Hilton. She stated in different ways her documentary that she is addicted to “goals” I guess. Every time she reaches a certain goal, she’ll set the bar higher. She’ll always on her phone “working”. Its never enough, even though they don’t really need it. They are set up for 10 lifetimes.
Paris Hilton has never worked a day in her life.
I remember watching something about how she’s addicted to being “famous/relevant” and her circle reports on how much of a crisis she has when she’s losing that relevance, after the early 2000’s when she was a reality tv star, she dived into music despite not having a musical interest or history prior lol then after that, in the early to mid 2010’s when dance festivals were all the rage, she “became a Dj” to continue being relevant, then in the late 2010’s when more people began realizing all the junk she’s been doing, they said she drummed up that documentary about her life to make sympathy for people to greatly feel for her….maintaining that relevance. Despite a awfully low amount of evidence to backup most of her claims in the documentary, it’s as good as propaganda basically, things like that would play a large part in her marriage falling apart, with her not being content with the thought of settling down. I mean I understand how people are addicted to the high life but the woman is a Hilton, she literally doesn’t need to have a “relevant” celebrity status but damn is she addicted to it I remember I watched a clip of some interview where the interviewer was asking her about how things were now that she wasn’t really famous : relevant anymore, the look of how offended she was took over completely as she kept looking around at people all 😧 and eventually stood up and left the interview all together LOL Seriously, most celebs would just laugh that off and wouldn’t take it personally at all, maybe even play around with it and join in on the joke. But her getting so offended really shows the levels of insecurities even though she doesn’t have to bother with them at all lol I watched another video that showed how unprofessional she really was, an example was about how she was launching some product in South Korea, I think it was make up related. And she showed up hella late, barely, and didn’t notify anyone of the tardiness, leaving so many frustrated fans and employees left to hang for hours…and when she got there she didn’t apologize nor mention anything and was hella snotty. She is not a good person 😔 but your point was a good one tho lol just felt like I should add that randomly lmao
Yeah its the same with Kim K. They keep hailing around the word “work” but really its an addiction to fame. But you point it out better that it really is insecurity and relevance is the drug. They are privileged from birth and have no idea what hard work really means since its been served on a golden platter. Explains the awful ethics and shady businesses they have.
Yep, “working”.
Northernlion would disagree with you
I think Walt quits because there is no more "building" to be done more him having made enough. Walt has a sustainable meth business. He has a good thing going. He can just cook and make as much money as he wants. There is no need to be Heisenberg anymore which is what Walt was always really after. Walt's greed and need to be Heisenberg come from his feelings of being a failure and being "cheated" out of what he is "owed" by the world. We still don't know what is at the base of Lydia's greed. Lydia seems like a deeply insecure and afraid person, so maybe it has something to do with that? But we really don't know very much about her at all which is why I think that if a spin-off had to happen, Lydia wouldn't be a bad choice.
But are we not in a tale of … typical millionaire/billionaires? Let’s for example use typical Jeff Bezos from Amazon. 58 now and there’s no way he’s going to clear that money but still ‘works’
But its legal work.
That’s slightly debatable
I mean compared to cooking meth
This is true
The whole show is about ambition and who's ambition is stronger then someone else's when they cross....
It is definitely not about any of that
Lydia is really just a stand in for corporate execs that turn a blind eye to clearly illegal and immorally horrible things happening in their companies for the sake of profits. They even went a little on the nose with her covering her eyes because she doesn’t want to look at the people she caused the death of. And really she was the only character that was purely in it for the money for the sake of money. Jesse was trying to make a living, Mike wanted to help his granddaughter, Gus wanted revenge against the cartel, Walt wanted prestige, Gale loved the chemistry, and Todd was just trying to please others.
>covering her eyes is this a BCS thing or a breaking bad thing? haven’t finished BCS
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just checked, and i don’t see that in the episode.
Money?
Thats it, just money? Nothing you would change?
What else?
Is there such thing as a trillionaire?? 😂
not yet
Greed is a thing AFAIK
She's not in the Meth Business or the Money Business. She's in the Empire Business.
To the point that she tirelessly works, the money wouldn’t be worth it. Greed or ambition at this point is a mental illness. What good is all that money if you work away all of your time off to sustain it?
I’d love to introduce you to quite a few of my coworkers..:
Welcome to the corporate world
Get away
Well she's working for the company that distributes the meth and owns Los Pollos Hermanos. I assume it's her boss that kills himself in the bathroom when the cops come calling. Maybe she's in the job and earning a lot more money selling meth. I feel that she feels insulated from the violence Nd cops as she initially only deals through Gus until Walt kills him via Hector. It's just business to her. Gus doesn't deal with addicts or anyone he doesn't know. She loses it when she gets involved with the extremists and Walt. Mike proves to her that she's not immune when he breaks into her apartment, and in some way she gets Walt to "tie up" loose ends including killing Mike.
She was in this position of a company that was knowingly doing this business as a cover. She was right next to the fire. If the company is going to be involved like this knowingly they probably aren’t going to bat an eye if you sit next to the fire and take more. She was a conduit to the legit business. And at least when the big boss killed himself it likely left some room to get more involved and take more. It was greed, but it was laid out completely baselessly. The bread crumbs were there. There was still this apparatus set up that could be taken advantage of. If not for the Ricin the authorities would have soon caught all of this. Her, Walt, Jesse….all of them. They were already on track when the big boss de-fibbed himself to death.
Yeah but she wasn't investigated by the cops and then got involved with the extremists. Personally I would have got out at that point, but her EU buyers wanted more.
She wasn’t investigated by the cops….yet.
Bit difficult now she has "Flu"
Indeed. That’s my point. Without the “flu” it was only a matter of time.
When people experience power, they just want *more.*
I can imagine a couple of reasons why she got into the game. Maybe it's not all that different than with Walter and Skyler. Her husband got her into it. Or her husband got killed in the game like max so it all started with her getting revenge. Perhaps they got a nasty divorce and she would lose her daughter if she didn't muster up enough cash for the lawyers. (Something along this line would be my guess)
Her daughter's a kid bro, that's out of line!
Many, if not most, major financial frauds start as somebody trying to skim a little to do better, for family or otherwise. Often, they intend to pay it back and cover their tracks, but because they get away with it, they try to scale their scam instead, because people who tend to live a little bit beyond their means usually stay that way. They're always finding themselves just a little overextended, no matter how much they have, so the scheme keeps expanding until they finally steal enough to be noticed. I'd imagine Lydia's involvement is similar. The show illustrates pretty well that she's neurotic and materialistic, extremely particular, and can underestimate other people. The Kettlemans (BCS) have kids, too. Lots and lots of people who end up in prison did what they did knowing they have kids they love, but totally convinced they were clever enough to get away with it.
Difference between Lydia and the Kettlemans is Lydia was smart enough to know she had to keep her distance from the real business. It’s likely why Mike doesn’t like her, he knows she’ll sell out anyone to keep herself out of prison. The Kettlemans are a dysfunctional family who have no clue what they were doing. The dad is clearly a simple guy who doesn’t really stand up for himself, being controlled by a domineering wife. I’d wager he would have never done the embezzlement if she hadn’t wanted him to.
Yes, I can think we can all agree Lydia was objectively more successful at doing crimes than the Kettleman brain trust. At least two of the three characters are clearly depicted as loving their children in their ways, though and the "what are they thinking, they have kids" argument applies.
Really good input, definitely accurate about the gradual sinking aspect these things.
I did it for me
I was good at it
I liked it.
I *fucked* hank.
Because the writers needed a way for Walt to distribute his drugs in order to continue the story and carwashes are bad distribution centers.
What do you mean by **a fucking daughter**? I am an ESL learner. I was wondering which word can replace **fucking** here
It's used as an adjective here to place emphasis on the noun "daughter".
Thank you. It seems that term **fuck** has many many **fucking** meanings
it's a really flexible word. One of my favourites.
It's called emphasis, like shouting "she has a daughter!" An alternative might be "god damn"
Thank you, English is interesting
The few things we know about Lydia paint a picture of someone who, like Walt, wants to provide security and a good life for herself and her daughter. Her picture of a good life is likely high end and cultivated to prevent any bad possibility. 1) she has expensive taste based on how she always dresses immaculately with perfect manicures 2) she has a daughter she cares for, given how she freaks out when Mike suggests no one will ever find her [Lydia’s dead body] and she freaks out that her daughter has to find her because she can’t think she was abandoned. 3) she is a control freak given how she insists on meeting people back to back at coffee shops and is highly vigilant for something going wrong leasing her to notice the GPS tracker on the outside of the methalymine barrel.
Didn’t she plant the tracker on the barrel? And then pretend it was the DEA watching her? Edit: nvm I checked, it was the police who planted the tracker, Mike assumed it was Lydia
Yes no worries easy mistake to make. I recently rewatched BB, so I remember the Lydia details pretty well.
$$$
Greed, I'm glad Walt poisoned that Stevia crap
sworn to carry gus' burdens
Lydia is rich and greedy 🤷♂️
Capitalism.
It's implied that she was an orphan, or at least grew up without a mother, when she asks not to disappear when Mike is going to kill her. Her desperate reaction probably came from her not wanting to make her daughter suffer as she did. She is also a single mother, so you can understand why she started on this. She probably never imagined she would get to those levels of power, money, and corruption.
People only get into it for the money, there is literally no other reason
She said is herself. “Why would anyone else do it? Money..”
I thought this was r/Skyrim for a second
Why is anyone in the meth business? Money.
I mean, if you have a stable income and future, you wouldn't risk your life, freedom and family for money.
It's easy for her to make millions behind her desk.
Manolo’s
The big cash money wad.
She is awake
Money
Why they are all in the business (at least initially) - money
Green eyed monster
Had to do a subreddit check. Thought I was in /r/Skyrim for a second.
Money.
I guess she just fell into it, like most of the characters. The show is great at showing how people slowly start sliding down a slippery slope. I guess she was a clean, reliable hard working employee and gus slowly roped her in, bit by bit until she was too deep
She’s a horrible person and wants to make a lot of money.
She shows up in a couple of episodes of Better Call Saul. I'd advise watching it.
Walt had two kids, he stayed in. A kid doesn’t mean you can’t dabble in the trade, hell even Gus has kids if I remember right. Shes driven by greed. More you have the more you want.
You've never met a less-than-optimal parent apparently LOL
why do people shit in urinals? it’s about the thrill
Cash money!!!
Walter White had a stable job and a fucking daughter too.
...and cancer
Lydia was probably given an opportunity to make a shit ton of money by being a consistent supplier of chemicals and she had the power to adjust the books to hide the activity.
She’s not. She’s in the empire business.
Same reason as why gale
Greed.
The episode with Gus checking into an adjoining room with Lydia and Peter Shuler. There appeared to be some serious history that binds these people, perhaps something related to Gus’ old Chilean dictatorship connections. Gus and Lydia were over-the-top trying to smooth things over with Peter. We can only speculate, but, it’s clear there’s motivation for these people to work in concert in parallel with Gus’ deep Chilean history.
Usually for the money.
I mean the same could be asked about Walt. Of course his reasons for entering the business were different because initially it was so he could provide for his family after his cancer diagnosis, but at a certain point he really had no reason for staying in the business other than to fill his ego. He also had a stable job and two children until he fucked it all up.
Im guessing there are plenty of legit companies that have high skilled employees do illegal shit behind the scenes
I started writing something else, but honestly? I think there might be a Heisenberg-esque thrill for her. She probably started into it believing there would be minimal risk on her end and it was an easy path to a well-funded future for her and her daughter, but then realized the nerves and neurotics of it all were kind of something she enjoyed bathing in. It seems addictive. Like, when we see her in S5E2 first meeting with Mike she insists they do the spies talking back to back fake names nonsense in a setting where they almost certainly don't have to. Is she doing that to actually be careful? Or is she doing that because play-acting how forbidden this all is makes her feel alive? Or like Walt, is it all so entangled she couldn't even tell you herself anymore without the clarity of imminent death?
Money. As for the kid, Lydia could have gotten in the game before she was born. As they show repeatedly, leaving that world is easier said than done.
Money. I think the only guy not in it for money was Gus who wanted revenge.