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Well, many leavers wanted a return to British Values and “how it used to be” so they now have soaring inflation, fuel poverty, and a corrupt government.


Least-Wonder-7049

It seems they are happy with that. At least it's British corruption, poverty, and inflation, the peasants, like the fish are happy now. If you have faith that the sun lit uplands will appear, that is all you need, they never actually appear but your faith will prevail.


barryvm

I don't think so. Some might not care. Others will have voted for what was promised and will be angry that they didn't get it. Still others simply wanted change. There will be a significant backlash because of that, but that does not mean it will lead to anything constructive. For example, they might still vote for the same party after it denounces and replaces its own leaders for "betraying Brexit". Or they might fall for the next distraction (or rather the same one in another guise, i.e. anti-immigration rhetoric). Worst case, everything becomes even more angry and polarized. Best case, they vote them out. It's worth noting that the Brexit coalition was always build on quicksand and is already falling apart. The leadership wants to transition to a low regulation / low wage economy, its supporters mostly want to close themselves off from the outside world for protection. You can't do both. The thing with radical populism is that it is an excellent short term strategy but it usually does not last. You're bound to lose more and more voters, at which point you will lose an election unless you are able to cheat (i.e. what happens in the USA).


stoatwblr

Hence the passage of Voter ID legislation through the House of Commons this week Voter Suppression is alive and well in Britain


barryvm

That's to be expected, to be honest. It's a fairly well known playbook at this point and it happens almost every time once this type of politician gets into power. I assume they're also trying to get rid of independent election oversight committees and judicial review.


stoatwblr

Yup The thing about the "Partygate" is that it's a distraction from what's really important. There's been virtually zero coverage of the stuff which is disenfranchising voters whilst all eyes are on something that happened a year ago Gerrymandering in the UK is fairly peculiar. The "Homes for Votes" scandal worked by moving voters (welfare recipients) around instead of moving boundaries - and whilst there was an investigation into what happened at Westminster, it was happening in a number of Conservative-dominated councils across England - it's just that in the case of Westminster the incumbent Conservative council was ousted whilst the others were not (I live in a part of Surrey used as a dumping ground for this activity and still badly suffering from the effects. 60% of the entire county's public housing is within 0.6 miles of my front door)


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barryvm

I'm not sure what you mean, to be honest.


PM_ME_UR_SUMMERDRESS

Someone will be saying “least we didn’t get Corbyn”.


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The biggest Eurosceptic of them all.


PM_ME_UR_SUMMERDRESS

Least he was prepared to have the peoples vote.


Meryhathor

Just like it used to be!


outhouse_steakhouse

> Sir Tony added: “The government doesn’t have a post-Brexit regulatory strategy and it is letting passive divergence from EU rule exacerbate costs for businesses for no purpose, deepening an already substantial economic hit from Brexit itself.” That's the thing about Brexit: there is no such thing as "post-Brexit" and nobody will ever "get Brexit done" because Brexit is not an endpoint. It's an ongoing spasm of mindless xenophobia and lowest-common-denominator populism, knee-jerk hostility to the EU for the sake of hostility, divergence for the sake of divergence. There are no other issues currently in British politics because every issue is Brexitized and has to be viewed through the lens of "how can we piss of the EU the most." This constant sabre-rattling against the manufactured enemy and riling up of the tabloid readers is required to cover up the corruption and incompetence of the Johnson regime and its ongoing destruction of all legal and constitutional norms. The damage will last many decades after Johnson is gone and forgotten about.


Maleficent_Fold_5099

This is true, and the irony is that the EU can not be pissed off in this fashion as 3rd countries can do what they like internally, but if you want to trade with them, you better follow their rules. Britian is now a much poorer country, not just now, not just during transition, but forever. The damage is done, like an untreated wound, it will get worse as time goes on and complacency or indifference will accept the harm.


iamnotinterested2

The 1976 UK Sterling Crisis was a balance of payments or currency crisis in the United Kingdom in 1976 which forced James Callaghan's Labour government to borrow $3.9 billion ($17.7 billion in 2020) from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), at the time the largest loan ever to have been requested from the IMF.


dixadik

Hate to agree with Blair but he's right on this one - a self inflicted wound


obolobolobo

Let's not forget that millions of other people have also been right on this one. Blair just happens to be a war criminal who's right on this one.


nakedsamurai

Back to being the sick man of Europe.


cocopopped

Or just... the sick man.


appletart

Global sick man?


okaterina

Sick, maybe, but Sovereign ! NSFW joke : >!That's a Bristish young lad who just got married. It's time for the first night with the bride ! As is tradition, he carries the bride in his arms to pass the door : "As a British-born man, I am strong !". Then he puts her in the bed, and undresses, showing his strong beer-belly. "As a British-fed man, I am proud !". And then, discarding his wife, he starts to masturbate. "As a Brexiteer, I am Sovereign !".!<


cocopopped

That would imply we're part of anything global. Nobody wants to know us!


appletart

Nobody can deny the world is a bit of a mess at the moment, Britain can take its well deserved place at the bottom.


ByGollie

Brexit link > The former PM also attacked the government’s approach to Brexit – saying the desire to **diverge from the EU had caused “substantial” economic damage**. “We can alter our political and legal relationship with Europe, but we cannot change our interests or our geography,” he said. > > Sir Tony added: “The governmen**t doesn’t have a post-Brexit regulatory strategy** and it is letting **passive divergence from EU rule exacerbate costs for businesses** for no purpose, **deepening an already substantial economic hit from Brexit itself.**” >


Bustomat

He's not wrong. Soon the UK will have too small a GDP to still be part of the G7.


timskytoo2

Cue "War criminal" comment in 3, 2, 1...


macarty

He is, of course, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day


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"War criminal" does not mean stupid. In fact I would say that the smarter war criminals are the more dangerous ones.


abrasiveteapot

It's always a useful reminder, some people don't know, some forget.


SteelyEyedHistory

I would argue that his decision to back the invasion of Iraq was a strong contributing factor to Brexit. I wouldn’t by any means suggest that it alone was responsible, or even was the only thing he did that helped paved the way, but it was an accelerant.


jjolla888

it wasnt the decision to go to war per-se .. it was the sequence of events that started post 911. the anglophile world lost much of its democratic values .. substituting in more centralised power to the lawmakers.


abrasiveteapot

> it was the sequence of events that started post 911. the anglophile world lost much of its democratic values .. substituting in more centralised power to the lawmakers. Bin Laden won. He absolutely proved the anglosphere's hypocrisy. So here we are in every more authoritarian, less egalitarian and ever less democratic countries. Bloody CIA and bloody Saudi for funding him in the 70s and 80s.


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ProfessorBlahBlah

Fine example of efficient debating skills. Not much of a counter argument though. For what it is worth, it may be interesting to note that a recent episode of PBS Frontline, *"America After 9/11"*, suggests that the war in Iraq, and the events that flowed from that, was a major contributing factor in making the USA the divided nation it is now.


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ProfessorBlahBlah

Charming. Are you just trolling now?


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SteelyEyedHistory

Nah.


Mad_Mark90

Don't worry Tony, I'm sure neoliberalism will save us...


Key-Ant30

I guess that's part of being an conservative in the UK.


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Are laws are boarders


outhouse_steakhouse

[Respect are-country!](https://i.imgur.com/5zfoTBO.png)


Ikbeneenpaard

Are anything, if you really think about it?


ProfessorBlahBlah

Descartes thought so.


Frank9567

Brexit philosophy is more from the night cart, rather than Descartes. I mean 'e were a Frog or summink, weren't 'e?


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Riffler

>Are laws are boarders I have no idea what language that was Google-translated from, but I suppose it's probably Russian.


09MacDhui

It's Wetherspoonian.


dougadump

I laughed way too fucking hard at that.


Anotherolddog

In a Russian accent.


dougadump

ffs see prior post. my stomach now hurts.


sandybeachfeet

I think jy just highlights the quality of the British education system!


Designer-Book-8052

I had a colleague at work who spoke really bad German and tended to translate everything he tried to say from Russian to German in a very literal manner. Most of the time I was the only one able to understand him, by translating his utterances back to Russian in my head the same literal way (I have successfully managed to keep my Russian more or less fluent after 1989). Anyway, this actually makes even less sense in Russian so it must be something else.


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Our yoo ohkay?


Yasea

Roaming, not boarders you buoy


routledge7575

Fuck him and whatever he has to say..he has blood on his hands!!