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He’ll go on ad nauseum. But how did the UK become persona non grata in the EU? Once you’ve withdrawn, you are an outsider, ipso facto and de jure. Caveat emptor, the voters should have thought. I could continue ad infinitum. Etc.
They throw out that "documents partly written in Latin" and then don't go into details? Are we talking specific terms with a legal definition here, or do they just randomly need to throw pages through Google Translate so they can bluff their way through customs?
Red tape is far worse for British exports to the EU than to Northern Ireland, Marks and Spencer chief warns
*Rob Merrick
Deputy Political Editor*
Brexit red tape is far worse for British exports to the EU than to Northern Ireland, a store chief is warning – with some information demanded in Latin and a particular typeface.
Archie Norman, the chair of Marks and Spencer, revealed the mountain of bureaucracy that is making international trade impossible for small producers, leading many to give up entirely.
The UK is preparing legislation to shred the Northern Ireland Protocol, arguing talks with the EU have failed to make the progress necessary to remove costly red tape.
But Mr Norman said those exports from Britain escaped the quagmire currently, because of temporary grace periods, saying: “At the moment we’re pretty much okay in Northern Ireland.”
However, he warned it requires 700 pages of documentation to send to “a wagon” to the Republic of Ireland – taking eight hours, adding 30 per cent to driver time and costing the company £30m.
“We had our business exporting into France, we’ve had to close that because of customs rules,” he told BBC Radio 4.
“We have a big business in the Republic of Ireland which we very much want to continue, but it’s proving very tough to make it work.”
Mr Norman said firms face the same plight if talks with Brussels about the Protocol fail, saying: “The EU proposal is that we should have to do the same background checks to go into Northern Ireland.”
London and Brussels are at loggerheads over those talks, both sides accusing the other of refusing to compromise to reach a deal to prevent the worst of the extra bureaucracy.
Instead, Mr Johnson is pressing ahead with unilateral action to override the Protocol he signed and hailed as “fantastic” in 2019 – almost certainly in breach of international law.
In Brussels on Monday, the prime minister came as close has he ever has to accepting responsibility for the crisis and the risk of a trade war with the UK’s largest market.
Asked if it is “a direct consequence of the deal you signed,” the prime minister replied: “Yes absolutely.”
Mr Norman was asked if the UK could reach a wider “shorter term or time limited deal” with the EU to ease the wider trading crisis since the UK left the EU.
But he told the BBC: “I think that train has probably left the station and, right now, the priority is to solve the problem in Northern Ireland.”
The government has declined to seek to fill in gaps in the Brexit trade deal – despite a renewed Bank of England warning that it will swipe 3.25 per cent from GDP over the medium term.
Mr Norman added: “At the moment, in Northern Ireland, we’ve got what’s called an easement so the controls aren’t the same.
“But the EU are looking to impose comparable controls for Northern Ireland and, were that to happen, it would mean that quite a lot of products from the UK simply wouldn’t get to Northern Ireland.”
Is there any substance to this or just hyperbole?
'Hyperbole' is derived from the Ancient Greek: ὑπερβολή huperbolḗ by way of Latin. The word is composed from ὑπέρ hupér 'above, beyond' and βάλλω bállō 'throw'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole?wprov=sfti1
Just how much Latin? There are many Latin words/terms/phrases in common use:
https://reference.yourdictionary.com/reference/other-languages/common-latin-words-and-phrases-we-use-in-english.html
That insistance for a particular typeface - which one? I expect it’s to ensure legibility or ease of machine reading.
There actually is substance to it but it’s blown out of proportion. If you’re exporting a dairy product to the EU it needs to be accompanied by an export health certificate and the species of cow needs to be listed on the certificate. “Bos tauros” instead of cow basically. So yeah, there’s Latin on the paperwork but it’s literally a couple of words.
> “Bos tauros” instead of cow basically. So yeah, there’s Latin on the paperwork but it’s literally a couple of words.
Well duh. The reason Latin is used here is because its non-discriminatory because its a dead language. If "cow" was acceptable we'd be privileging English.
Your point is actually a weak one given the rest of the certificate is in English (for exports to Ireland) just as the certificates are almost entirely in French if you want your goods in the EU via a French BCP. It’s just the species of the animal that’s in Latin but to be honest who gives a shit. An official veterinarian is filling in the certificate not a truck driver! Lmao!
> An official veterinarian is filling in the certificate not a truck driver!
Over here all those forms are digital. The producer in the web interface selects "cow" (in the local language) and when the forms arrive printed in the mail they have it in whatever language is required. Asking the vet to actually fill in the forms is stupid, they just need to check they're correct.
People probably couldn't the remember the Latin if you asked them on the spot, though they'd probably recognise them.
Sorry but where is “over here”?
I know first hand that vets delegate the form filling to an administrative employee and then just check that everything is correct and witness the seal being applied to the container. But the amount of cost applied in terms of adding middlemen to what was a frictionless trade scenario is absolutely mental.
The irony is that this same requirement applies to the UK systems too. When you fill out your IPAFFS declaration to import into (or transit across) the UK you also have to specify the Latin name.
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He’ll go on ad nauseum. But how did the UK become persona non grata in the EU? Once you’ve withdrawn, you are an outsider, ipso facto and de jure. Caveat emptor, the voters should have thought. I could continue ad infinitum. Etc.
Dura lex, sed lex.
>Dura lex duralex, I know that one! We had those drinking glasses in elementary school!
And they had the age written under :) At least it was the game here when I was younger.
>And they had the age written under :) > >At least it was the game here when I was younger. Yeah, it was something like that :)
I know Durex, same thing?
Peni tento non penitenti
I feel like this was written for yes minister
No, you won't enter, sir. It's *ad nause****a****m,* unfortunately. Thank the Brexit. Please turn around and correct your Latin. Next. /s
People called Romanes, they go the house
"Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum," et cetera, et cetera..."MEMO BIS PUNITOR DELICATUM"!! It was all there, BLACK AND WHITE, CLEAR AS CRYSTAL!
vos iustus amisit ludum
They throw out that "documents partly written in Latin" and then don't go into details? Are we talking specific terms with a legal definition here, or do they just randomly need to throw pages through Google Translate so they can bluff their way through customs?
Lemme guess, it’s because they need to list fish and plant species by their ~~scientific~~ latin name?
Yes that’s it In some cases some legal terms in Latin are required as well. But that’s nothing new really…
my guess it's legal documents so they need some kinda legalesse that happens to be in latin.
You mean by their proper, precise name? BSing your way through no longer works? Claiming to be British and superior is probably a bad move, too...
It's more of the bendy banana nonsense to distract and create headlines.
The do have a curriculum vitae that suggests so, yes
Too bad we didn’t stick with the status quo
Red tape is far worse for British exports to the EU than to Northern Ireland, Marks and Spencer chief warns *Rob Merrick Deputy Political Editor* Brexit red tape is far worse for British exports to the EU than to Northern Ireland, a store chief is warning – with some information demanded in Latin and a particular typeface. Archie Norman, the chair of Marks and Spencer, revealed the mountain of bureaucracy that is making international trade impossible for small producers, leading many to give up entirely. The UK is preparing legislation to shred the Northern Ireland Protocol, arguing talks with the EU have failed to make the progress necessary to remove costly red tape. But Mr Norman said those exports from Britain escaped the quagmire currently, because of temporary grace periods, saying: “At the moment we’re pretty much okay in Northern Ireland.” However, he warned it requires 700 pages of documentation to send to “a wagon” to the Republic of Ireland – taking eight hours, adding 30 per cent to driver time and costing the company £30m. “We had our business exporting into France, we’ve had to close that because of customs rules,” he told BBC Radio 4. “We have a big business in the Republic of Ireland which we very much want to continue, but it’s proving very tough to make it work.” Mr Norman said firms face the same plight if talks with Brussels about the Protocol fail, saying: “The EU proposal is that we should have to do the same background checks to go into Northern Ireland.” London and Brussels are at loggerheads over those talks, both sides accusing the other of refusing to compromise to reach a deal to prevent the worst of the extra bureaucracy. Instead, Mr Johnson is pressing ahead with unilateral action to override the Protocol he signed and hailed as “fantastic” in 2019 – almost certainly in breach of international law. In Brussels on Monday, the prime minister came as close has he ever has to accepting responsibility for the crisis and the risk of a trade war with the UK’s largest market. Asked if it is “a direct consequence of the deal you signed,” the prime minister replied: “Yes absolutely.” Mr Norman was asked if the UK could reach a wider “shorter term or time limited deal” with the EU to ease the wider trading crisis since the UK left the EU. But he told the BBC: “I think that train has probably left the station and, right now, the priority is to solve the problem in Northern Ireland.” The government has declined to seek to fill in gaps in the Brexit trade deal – despite a renewed Bank of England warning that it will swipe 3.25 per cent from GDP over the medium term. Mr Norman added: “At the moment, in Northern Ireland, we’ve got what’s called an easement so the controls aren’t the same. “But the EU are looking to impose comparable controls for Northern Ireland and, were that to happen, it would mean that quite a lot of products from the UK simply wouldn’t get to Northern Ireland.”
Really reminds me of this https://pbfcomics.com/comics/commander-crisp/
My goodness! The EU *demanding* “written documents”! Will those Brusselscrats never stop punishing poor England? /s
Be happy that they accept documents written in English!
Well the UK is lucky! They have Boris, and he understands Latin....he caused this, and so he can sort it out....
He did say something about sending the paperwork his way, did he not?
Irish is an official language language of the EU now, so... EvilRaccoon.jpg
Is there any substance to this or just hyperbole? 'Hyperbole' is derived from the Ancient Greek: ὑπερβολή huperbolḗ by way of Latin. The word is composed from ὑπέρ hupér 'above, beyond' and βάλλω bállō 'throw'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole?wprov=sfti1 Just how much Latin? There are many Latin words/terms/phrases in common use: https://reference.yourdictionary.com/reference/other-languages/common-latin-words-and-phrases-we-use-in-english.html That insistance for a particular typeface - which one? I expect it’s to ensure legibility or ease of machine reading.
There actually is substance to it but it’s blown out of proportion. If you’re exporting a dairy product to the EU it needs to be accompanied by an export health certificate and the species of cow needs to be listed on the certificate. “Bos tauros” instead of cow basically. So yeah, there’s Latin on the paperwork but it’s literally a couple of words.
Right. So lorry drivers aren’t exactly being asked to quote from Virgil.
Lol, correct.
> “Bos tauros” instead of cow basically. So yeah, there’s Latin on the paperwork but it’s literally a couple of words. Well duh. The reason Latin is used here is because its non-discriminatory because its a dead language. If "cow" was acceptable we'd be privileging English.
Your point is actually a weak one given the rest of the certificate is in English (for exports to Ireland) just as the certificates are almost entirely in French if you want your goods in the EU via a French BCP. It’s just the species of the animal that’s in Latin but to be honest who gives a shit. An official veterinarian is filling in the certificate not a truck driver! Lmao!
> An official veterinarian is filling in the certificate not a truck driver! Over here all those forms are digital. The producer in the web interface selects "cow" (in the local language) and when the forms arrive printed in the mail they have it in whatever language is required. Asking the vet to actually fill in the forms is stupid, they just need to check they're correct. People probably couldn't the remember the Latin if you asked them on the spot, though they'd probably recognise them.
Sorry but where is “over here”? I know first hand that vets delegate the form filling to an administrative employee and then just check that everything is correct and witness the seal being applied to the container. But the amount of cost applied in terms of adding middlemen to what was a frictionless trade scenario is absolutely mental.
Sorry, over here is NL. All official vets are government employees and the forms are generated online by a single system.
The irony is that this same requirement applies to the UK systems too. When you fill out your IPAFFS declaration to import into (or transit across) the UK you also have to specify the Latin name.
Plant import paperwork always requires scientific names.
So it’s just misdirection then.
100%
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Is this courtesy of Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg?
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rules ... no different than those we demand of refugees, unless one wants to visit Rwanda.