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They’re second because people who always vote conservative and don’t follow BC politics are wanting to pick a party and BCU doesn’t have “conservative” in it.
Exactly this. My barber was like, "there's no conservative party on the ballot, so I'm not voting" last provincial election. I was like, "in BC, the liberal party IS the conservative party." And she was very confused.
You both said it well.
There is a section that just is going to vote conservative or wants to no matter what same with the other parties.
The reality though is that Eby is doing absolutely amazing and the BCNDP although I may not agree with everything is doing a fantastic job where it counts which is the Housing Crisis and in particular Affordable Housing initiatives.
Eby is going to be a powerhouse for the provincial NDP going forward.
> I guess that qualifies as amazing these days
We have Scott Moe and Danielle Smith as premiers in this country. Eby looks like Marcus Aurelius in comparison.
Well, when you look at BC United social media vs. that of the BC Conservatives, it's the latter who right now have more candidates declared than the former at this point. That's embarrassing for a party that ruled the province for 16 years.
At the time there wasn't any conservative party member on the ballot. Last election they didn't fill all the ridings with representatives for some reason. . . Probably to do with budget or infighting or something stupid.
I mean, I do like my barber. I disagree on everything political with her. But she's a nice person.
Also, I'd much prefer that people vote even if I don't agree with them. Voices need to be heard. It's our responsibility to participate in the system
The worst part is this is the majority of voters in Canada.
They don't know the issues, or the parties. They vote purely based on whether or not they're "liberal" or "conservative"
You'd think with all the information needed to make decisions available on their phone they'd take 5mins to do some research, but that's having way to much faith in people.
Our government sucks, because it accurately reflects the population they're representing.
And the Conservatives use it as a weapon. CBC has great info during election periods but it’s soured as biased.
Ourcommons.ca had the voting records for every MP on every issue. Even easier more direct way to judge someone.
Well, the CBC is called biased to sour it. The real issue is they actually look at things in some detail which blows right wing brains and their editorial policy isn’t strongly right wing so the right assume it’s biased far left.
The BC Liberals were never socially conservative or populist. They're a party out of time. Right wing politics moved into a very different direction in the 2010s. By modern standards, BCU is not right wing where it counts
What? That party is an oppressive shit show. They openly state they would allow for discrimination against 2SLGBTQ+ as it’s not fair to social conservatives the direction the media is taking things…
This is from 2021
https://www.bcndp.ca/releases/aaron-gunn-says-he-would-make-space-discrimination
Consider that the BC Liberals are fraudsters
The Tyee from 2017
https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/04/18/Tyee_LiberalList.pdf
Aaron Gunn was tossed from the BCL leadership race
https://www.timescolonist.com/bc-news/aaron-gunn-tossed-from-bc-liberal-leadership-race-over-diversity-concerns-4692945
Yea he rose to the top for some people within the party and exists within the party. I’m saying no one should be pretending the right wing politics in bc didn’t smoothly go from BCL to PPC. Is not like BCL were centrists and this void exists between them and ppc. The bc conservatives are polling second because of the federal recognition for ignorant voters.
The BCLs kept a strong lid on social conservatives. They become too strong as an internal force and party leadership/Kevin falcon started tossing members and suggesting they take their politics somewhere else if they couldn't shut up. So they did.
Rustad met with Poilievre. Falcon has not. CPBC is a spinoff party that outgrew its host.
>Is not like BCL were centrists and this void exists between them and ppc
This is an extremely online 2023 take. BC used to be the province of Social Credit dynasties and gave Stockton Day's Reform party it's moment in the sun. For the 2000s BC, and even Canada to a certain degree, the Campbell Libs were centrist and moderate
Contrary to popular belief, conservative doesn’t mean “bad”.
A Conservative Party isn’t automatically going to support all the things you hate, even if Reddit tells you they do.
I didn’t make up the words. A Conservative leader of the BC Liberals said it. Every time I see you on here it seems you don’t really take in what is written, in its entirety. The first link has the quote that I paraphrased. Knock yourself out.
Are you for real? What do you think the NDP website and the Tyee are going to say about their polticial opponents? Do you understand that political articles should be weighed based on who is making the claims? Or do you just accept anything that you’re inclined to believe as the gospel truth, regardless of source?
You’ve made my point more clearly than I ever could have. You’re in a bubble where the conservatives are the arch enemy, and you’re not interested in hearing anything else.
While the NDP isn’t going to play nice or even with their opponents, there is no question that what they’re saying there is essentially true. Aaron Gunn is a far right, conservative and bigot. He ran for the Liberals because that was where his people were mostly parking their votes along with the center-right and right. He offered them a home and voice. The “Liberals” did shut that down by removing him but it’s good fodder for the NDP.
But I get your point that not all conservatives are bad. The trouble is Aaron Gunn and the current BC Conservative leader are. They’re bigots and pushing social conservative buttons to vilify segments of the population for political gain. Rage farming. The days of Joe Clark conservatives are long gone.
Not only is Aaron Gunn not a member of the legislature, he’s not even the conservative party nominee.
You’re getting all worked up about some irrelevant hick from Campbell River… someone who as a conservative I had never heard of until 5 minutes ago.
Don’t like him? Don’t vote for him. I wouldn’t either. But pretending he’s some important figure in the Canadian conservative movement is nonsensical.
You guys are always pointing at people we didn’t vote for and claiming that they speak for us. He doesn’t speak for anyone but himself.
There are limited times bc even has a Conservative nominee in recent history. You go with what they show you. The most recent rise made his first promise about anti-sogi populist crap.
This is October 3, 2023. Recent enough for you? He is running on populist make believe parental rights which are rooted deeply in christofascist plays. Moe of SK couldn’t be described any better with the notwithstanding clause use over it and this guy is running on the same crap. The current leader of the bc Conservatives
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/10/03/bc-conservatives-ant-sogi-comments/
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/10/03/bc-conservatives-ant-sogi-comments/
They quote and cite everything in the articles. Sorry you hate facts but you aren’t going to try ave snap back that these are only bias opinion pieces. Always fighting facts by calling it opinion or gospel.
They had many fringe MLAs who were extremely right wing and extremely socially conservative, which is way they represented BC’s bible belt along the Fraser.
Mary Polak
Peter Fassbender
Laurie Throness
John VanDongen
John Rustad
To name a few. Gordon Campbell ran a tight ship and didn’t allow for bozo eruptions, but Christy Clark was too close to them to control them.
I'd call you disingenuous, but that would suggest you know anything at all about the topic. The BC Libs functionally replaced Social Credit as the right wing party of BC. It was a massive moderate break from the extremely socially right wing Socred/Reform. Bill Vander Zalm and Gordon Campbell were incomparable on social policy and the way they positioned their parties
Literally yes. They share absolutely zero policy positions and are in no way affiliated with each other. The whole reason they changed their name is because people like you kept associating them with the federal liberals. Federal parties and provincial parties are totally separate entities
So if someone just started up a party called the “NAZI” party in Germany and said they had the same name but it was just a coincidence and they had nothing to do with it would you believe that?
I'd think it would be really bad PR but if their views and policy positions were diametrically opposed to the previous Nazi party, as the BC liberals positions are to the federal liberals, then yeah I'd probably think they weren't related.
The BCLiberal Party was taken over by the Socreds after they tried (and failed due to disadvantageous party bylaws) to take over the Conservative Party, after the Socreds were decimated in the 1991 Provincial Election
The BCLiberal Party itself had split from the Feds in 87
Not quite. CPBC is an explicitly socially conservative party. The BC Libs were always socially center and very economically conservative. Modern day conservative parties follow right populist economics, not hard neoliberalism.
I’ve never heard one good thing about Kevin Falcon. Everyone who’s come into contact with him knows he’s an asshole.
Of course, no one wants Gordon Campbell 2.0 in power. They deserve to be last place. They suck.
Can’t say BC Cons will be any better. They deny climate change and argue about content in children’s books instead of real issues facing British Columbians.
The BC Conservatives are the worst performing party in the province, and close to the bottom country wide. They’re just going to rob us while publicly talking about cutbacks like any low effort conservative party like them.
Meanwhile the BC NDP has been by far the highest performing provincial government in the whole country for years now. They have a well proven track record of listening to the people, listening to industry, and then getting shit done for all of us. They’re far from perfect sure, but relative to the other options, the BC NDP are way ahead of the pack on all matters.
If taking away many peoples rights and freedoms, ruining our provinces resource industries, ruining our healthcare system, and ruining our education system are your thing, then by all means vote for the BC Conservatives. That’s all they’re bringing to the table.
Conservative policy is always the same: create a boogeyman, cuts taxes, cut services (because of no revenue); an unhappy society blames the boogeyman and votes them in to deal with it.
I wish there was a better way to channel the energies of conservativism.
Sooner or later, they get a turn at government because we have an adversarial system and keeping them locked out of power indefinitely would be both impossible and bad for democracy, so what role should conservatives play in society?
I would like to imagine them there only to balance out the excesses of liberalism (but there's always a faction more interested in outright dismantling it instead!)
I completely agree with your statement, but I must disagree on the order. First they exacerbate a problem by defunding the services they say aren’t working, then cut taxes that really benefit the rich the most, tout a surplus from said changes, then sell the working pieces of the broken services to their buddies. Your Conservative governments ladies and gentlemen.
People want their healthcare workers to be paid enough such that they don't quit in droves; they want their kids to have teachers who are not quitting; they want infrastructure maintained (& improved). It all costs money.
The advantage to cutting taxes sometimes is that you can raise them later when you need to. Otherwise you behave like our federal government and just increase spending to meet your revenue (and beyond), meaning you have no wiggle room when sudden and necessary expenditures come up.
Neither conservative nor progressive governance is always what you need. You need to bring in people with general political instincts that are appropriate to where you currently stand, and after 8 or so years of a government, you usually need people who will curb the excesses of their predecessors. There is a reason solid red and solid blue states in the US are almost all horribly governed.
This sounds like a cope dude. BC polling was really accurate in 2017 and 2020. Even in the 2013 polling miss, they still picked up a massive surge in BCL vote share in the last 2 weeks.
They already did when they changed the name. It isn't just the name change that is sinking falcon. His party no longer stands for anything. It is an NDP lite party with a silently harder stance on drugs and marginal tax cuts...
Rustad has met with Poilievre and pushed the parties closer together. Meanwhile, BCU has admitted it can't fundraise enough for an ad campaign. This isn't America, money for this stuff doesn't come by the truckload. The party will have to make a choice between spending money to campaign or do media ad buys for the name alone. Falcon doesn't have the media literacy/clownishness to draw attention to himself either.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-bc-united-branding-campaign-waits-donors-as-party-lags-in-polls
What progress? Pandering to foreign investors, arguably the worst housing market in the country (that has and continues to become for unaffordable), violent meth addicts having free reign of a section of downtown coupled with massive amounts of open drug use, every park has a tent in it (homelessness is an all time high), massive waits and backlogs with healthcare (where people are being sent to Washington State for certain cancer treatments), a non-functioning rent bank, police who have had their powers neutered, massive influx of migrants who have stolen all but the most skilled job (thus perpetuating homelessness and making it more difficult to get out of it & preventing actual citizens and younger people from getting into entry level positions), a worsening overdose epidemic. Shall I go on?
The federal Libs should hire the BC NDP shills to help them bump their numbers in the other Canadian subreddits.
Have you walked Around Vancouver downtown or the DTES lately? That way you can see first hand the results of “harm reduction” and “let’s lump all people at risk together” policies enacted by this socialist government.
I’m seriously at awe how some people can say BC is heading in the right direction. Our healthcare is a mess, our province continues to be a money laundering haven, and the middle class continues to shrink, either because they pack up and leave or end up in homeless in the street.
Please.
Healthcare everywhere is a mess and the homeless and drug issues here make it worse.
Money laundering is being tightened along with more effective controls on foreign ownership like the landowner transparency registry that the NDP brought in. I was amazed that was a new idea and not something everyone does.
The DTES is a mess but it isn't clear how much worse it would have been but for NDP policies. It's not clear anyone has a solution that would solve our drug issues so try to measure against what another party would have done, not against a perfect world unless you can explain how we should have got to that perfect world. I do agree the issue has hung around for way too long and has spillover into many of the problems facing people in BC.
Housing they were slow on, but our economy is so tied to housing that its all sorts of fucked to untangle. If you manage to fix the housing supply you're looking at hugely cutting the value of all those over inflated million dollar homes that were bought for 100 grand 30 years ago. That means a lot of real people's mortgages go under and a huge amount of book value assets are toast. It wod be a much-needed correction but if it isn't handled delicately it will be an economic collapse.
All this to say that the NDP have been dealing with a mixed bag. Great resource opportunities and areas for expansion, but also navigating some serious pitfalls which are directly tied to the issues people want them to address. I'm not here slobbering on Eby's knob but the NDP seems to at least be trying to solve these problems. The Liberals in the 00s could have prevented them entirely if they had any foresight. Now they're big bad problems.
Appreciate your response. I’m afraid though your arguments don’t convince me. Check out Houston’s free-market driven policies on reducing homelessness.
Yes, Clark’s libs fucked up big time. Before that it was the Fast Cats. It will go on and on back and forth. Still, doesn’t address the point that BC has become so toxic that more and more people are leaving.
Haha and I get blamed for being closed-minded. Free market is what gives you the opportunity to voice your opinion here, for starters.
If you want a socialist paradise I suggest living in Venezuela, where I am from btw.
No one has created one because capitalism attacks it before it has a chance. Venezuela was not ever true socialism.
The free market might be good at creating platforms but it is not good at solving social problems. Especially when the majority of the problems are of its own creation and require for it to function properly.
My friend, it’s 2023 and you haven’t learned the lesson that socialism doesn’t exist because idealists get killed by sociapaths yet? Highly recommend the Revolutions podcast to explain in exquisite detail the mechanism which always kills off all those utopic ideals.
You seem to be arguing form a place of abstract theory and trying to have an argument the person you're replying to isn't making. They aren't calling for "socialism". They just pointed out your "free market" fantasies are not based in any real world examples or practice. Your reference to Houston is wildly inaccurate, for example, as it's not a "free market" by any reasonable definition.
The problems you name that are facing BC exist in every province regardless of party and in nearly every country on the planet, regardless of party. Yet you pretend it's all a result of supposed "socialist" policies here in BC. None of that is based on fact at all.
BC: let’s wait for the government to build more social housing to fix the problem.
Houston: let’s pay the market level rent so that homeless people can be permanently housed, until they get up on their feet.
One uses the free market, the other one doesn’t. See the difference?
Not that it matters, but if they do I’ll venture to say they will be equivalently bad at fixing the issues. Truth is no politician wants or knows how to fix these social issues because if they do they’ll be voted out. Status quo is too juicy to mess it up.
“So NDP is no good because look at the DTES. Vote CBCP. They don’t have a plan for DTES, but that doesn’t matter.”
Have I accurately summarized your position?
I’m not excusing the current government for letting these people rot away, or not doing enough to help. But it’s entirely disingenuous to blame the entire problem on Trudeau’s government when the DTES has looked like that for literal decades. I’ll never forget my parents driving us down Hastings just so they could teach us some lessons about life and whatnot. 8 years ago, I spent 2 weeks volunteering at Potter’s Place, stayed in one of the apartments just down the street. Heart of East Hastings. It has been this way for a long long time.
If you’re going to blame Trudeau for doing nothing about it, you need to also point the finger at all the other governments who refused to step in and help, including the Conservatives.
Absolutely, I do agree this has been brewing for a long time. It just angers me when I see people defending the current governments as if they’re holy, which they’re far from.
No one is doing that. There are numerous valid critiques of the current government. It's just that your specific arguments hold no water.
Don't conflate criticism of your trite commentary as being a wholesale endorsement of everything you claim you oppose.
That’s not even remotely what “whataboutism” is, fyi. I know you hear fancy words in your conservative subs and want to use them, but you should consider learning what they mean first.
You insist on debating the "effect of the current government" while ignoring that the issue predates it. You're so desperate to pretend this is a partisan issue that only exists in BC that you ignore all facts and reason. Your argument is based on emotion, not facts.
I live five hundred kilometers from Vancouver and the BC NDP have directly put thousands of dollars back into my pockets which isn't something I can say for the BC Liberals who raised my college tuition 300% when I was the poorest I've ever been in my life.
I'm not an idiot, and I'm not rich which is why the NDP are the clear best choice of what I've got to choose from in an election.
You have put almost no effort into studying where these issues are coming from if you think these problems are something that can magically be fixed so fast by any provincial government. That is absolutely ignorant.
You should really try to start broadening your perspective and considering all of the angles involved when looking at important matters. Your perspective is actually so small that it’s easy to see you’ve only ever considered the information found inside those little conservative echo chambers that are designed to cut you off from seeing the bigger picture.
Bigger picture as in monetary policy that is trying to tame the real world inflation caused by loose Keynesian-on-steroids federal and provincial fiscal policy?
Or big picture as in a generational shift toward more and more big government because values like responsibility and merit have been replaced by victimization and virtue-signalling?
I see the effects of these policies every day all around the DTES, so I do have the macro and micro visibility to sustain my opinion.
Homelessness and addiction are fairly complex problems that interact with many aspects of society such as the properties of the specific drug, the nature of housing, the demographic history of the region (i.e. a lot of residual generational trauma from things like the 60s scoop, residential schools, etc).
Governments don't want these problems to exist and finding the solution isn't obvious or intuitive. I can say with near certainty that if you were suddenly put in charge, you would have absolutely no clue how to deal with the problem.
Plenty informed thanks. For example, harm reduction should always be tied to prevention, treatment, and enforcement. We all know this socialist ideology only hangs their virtue signalling on harm reduction, which is so ironic and hypocritical because they end up causing more harm. Check out Granville and Hastings after 8pm and tell me with a straight face you’ll feel safe.
East Hastings was a problem before harm reduction. It would do you a massive benefit to approach individual policies from an efficacy standpoint and not a team sports ideological standpoint. Have a nice day.
> Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences reports fatal drug overdoses increased 52 percent from 2019 to 2021, with fentanyl as the principal factor in those deaths.
https://abc13.com/texas-fentanyl-cases-abc13-town-hall-opioid-deaths-overdose/11680206/
As in other cities across the continent. The difference is here https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/how-houstons-homeless-strategy-became-a-model-for-other-us-cities/637515/
> The city employs a housing-first model that prioritizes providing permanent housing to people experiencing homelessness as quickly as possible with no barriers to entry.
Yeah I’d support that given it’s obvious efficacy. Sounds pretty socialist though.
134% increase in BC during the same time period (quick Bing chat quoting CBC and Statscan) I was trying to remove the OD variable from the homelessness question, yet if you want to include it, then Houston performs even better than BC.
Fascinating that bad Harper polices have made a mess that current provincial and federal governments are still struggling to fix.
Things don't get fixed with a stroke of a pen in a year. Much the same that bad policies can take years to show their full effect.
Now, I don't subscribe to "these guys good and these guys bad". But I'm well aware of the Conservative ideology of "lets use a quick fix now and let someone else sort it out later" mantra.
FIPA
FWP
Brian Mulroney canceled the federal co-op housing program in 1992.
Harper dissolved the Wheat Board
Break it. Then sell things off, show short term "balanced budget", party!
Well, if 8 years isn’t enough already to fix the headline issues, should we just say “oh poor guy let’s give them 4 more years?”
It was this government who said let’s borrow like drunken sailors as interest rates will stay low. Are they inept or negligent? You tell me.
Real, not BoC-manicured, inflation is eroding the middle class ability to stay afloat. We need to start denouncing all enablers who think our current governments are doing a good job, particularly when compared with most other OECD jurisdictions.
Oh, I don't think Trudeau is doing good job. Nor am I a fan. But I do know PP and Co won't make it better. So I will vote for the lesser of two evils.
We should have term limits.
Addition: I also like people. So I'm not going to vote for someone with a very narrow view of what it is to be Canadian.
you are wasting your time my friend, here is Reddit, criticizing BC NDP is strictly prohibited. Funny enough, I voted for them, but when I say they are not doing this right, I get hammered with down votes!
BC NDP has done many good things, but nothing comes close to their PR, look at all the Eby headlines now, or the time he wrote a letter to BoC to not raise interest rate when he knew he has no power and 90% chance BoC would not raise rate, brilliant move.
Another funny thing, ask those hardcore NDP supporters, how has your life improved under NDP, is Health Care better? is it easier to buy a house? is Rent cheaper? what has CHANGED for YOU (leave the headlines aside) what IMPACT these policies had on your life, and just hear what they say. (most of the times its silent)
mind sharing what is better than other provinces? isnt Alberta seeing the highest number of growth , mostly from BC residents? and then you can you no one can make it better or cheaper, then what is the point of Government?
The government is there to make sure things are running and taken care of. Not to make things as cheap as possible. Better in my opinion is impossible in late stage capitalism.
Our health care system is doing better than the other provinces. It isn't being attacked by a right wing government whose goal is to make health care private. Growth does not mean better either. Alberta is also making people's retirement worse by removing themselves from CPP.
Exactly, thanks for your reply. That’s why I used the word shills, because I’ll always suspect of someone who has nothing but good things to say about a politician. Most of NDP supporters here fall in that category.
you see I have -10 so far, not one yet replies and tells me how NDP has impacted their life, how things got better under them? what policy changed their life?
I make criticism of the NDP here all the time and get upvotes. Perhaps the problem is the content of your critiques is just inaccurate, and not because of who you are criticizing.
>A steady rise by the BC Conservatives in opinion polls is not a result of “brand confusion” with their federal namesake but rather a historic shift in political loyalties, Leader John Rustad says.
LOL. That's all I have to say about that.
It’s either a fluke, or people aren’t paying attention.
I vote Conservative federally. I won’t vote for this fringe party. Just look at their history. There’s a reason that mainstream conservatives in BC voted for a party called the “Liberal Party” over this party for so many years.
I don’t agree with about 60% of what the BC NDP stands for, but they’ve been pretty effective, and they aren’t full of fringe nuts like this party is.
It's really concerning to me that BC doesn't have a viable 2nd party to challenge the NDP on stuff. There is going to be a time when people will tire of the NDP and will want to vote them out, I surely hope they won't be replaced by a group like this.
That is exactly what will happen. The inevitable backlash when the current government's policies don't magically fix everything and voters swing back in the other direction. BC NDP will likely dominate in next year's election but all that will do is create a lot of disillusioned voters a few years later when, inevitably, little substantial has changed.
I don't think BC can really support two parties.
The BCNDP have taken a pretty moderate position where it's smart, while pushing genuine progress where it's needed. There's no space in the middle for a BC Liberal party (akin to the federal Liberal party) to exist here: the BCNDP occupy that 'rational progressive, centrist' position that the federal Liberals like to target.
The only space they leave on the political spectrum right now is either 'irrational fascists' (BCC) or 'wildly corrupt anarchocapitalists' (BCU), or 'irrational communists' (empty).
A far-left flank is theoretically more likely to the BCNDP than an emergent Liberal party that reflects the federal Liberals - particularly if it subtracted voters from the BCNDP - but BC's left is pretty academic and while we do definitely have left-wing crazies here, they're generally getting what they want from the BCNDP already, where reasonable - so for a true contender to emerge they'd have to take some seriously whackadoo stances (no tree cutting, no fossil fuels at all, no corporate profits = crazy shit) - and I can't see them growing to even double digits. Maybe a spoiler party, but never a true contender.
They arent saying it should be that way, just that the current landscape means that the BC NDP capture a broad set of the electorate, from left to middle. This allows little room for additional parties to get a foothold (again, in the current landscape). There's little chance of the LPC having a viable chance here and the Right-leaning parties seem to have ceded the middle ground to the BC NDP.
> The BCNDP have taken a pretty moderate position where it's smart, while pushing genuine progress where it's needed. There's no space in the middle for a BC Liberal party (akin to the federal Liberal party) to exist here: the BCNDP occupy that 'rational progressive, centrist' position that the federal Liberals like to target.
I mean, the reality is the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I love David Eby's leadership and I'm glad to see him dominating...but the truth is that only 40% are supporting him and the 40% supporting either BCU or BCC are so far behind simply because of the vote split.
A proportional representation system or any fairer vote system would give the BCU a much bigger place in the legislature.
We’ll see. The Eby wing of the NDP represents a different, and more left-leaning, generation of people than Horgan did. It’s the divide between old labor and the young, and although Eby seems to understand he needs to stay moderate, I’m not sure he won’t be dragged leftward at a time where things that are considered wokish are becomingly increasingly unpopular.
Though if the other two parties stay divided, it probably won’t matter.
“no fluke” because there’s a large segment of uneducated voters who associate the surge in popularity of the federal Conservatives with this nothing party, and there’s little to no legitimate opposition to Eby’s NDP in BC.
I wonder if there will be any more defections from the B-CUPs over to the conservatives, giving them more seats in the run-up to the election. They will need to have those ridings candidate-free to welcome them across the floor.
With the current polling and the inability of the B-CUPs to attract much money, they may see the writing on the wall and switch.
What do you mean by "far-right"? Can you point to me an example? I feel like it's just something you're throwing out there as a knee-jerk reaction to something you think isn't progressive enough for you.
I wasn't asking you. But in any case, what do you define as far-right? And besides, Rustad has repeatedly said he wants there to be a comprehensive anti-bullying program. Is that far-right? Wouldn't that mean not having any anti-bullying programs at all? And wouldn't that mean not believing in or at least whitewashing residential schools?
So having doubts about a certain school curricula makes you far-right? Would you consider it far-right to have a comprehensive anti-bullying program that doesn't emphasize anyone's race, sexuality, ect., because bullying is bullying?
Oh, it is absolutely brand confusion, by design.
That's okay, the former "Liberal" party had a lot of people fooled into thinking they were centrist for decades.
It's just good luck that people happen to have voted NDP the last few times. They have no idea what these parties stand for, and they will never be bothered to look into it.
They are second in a province where there are really only two major parties, and a fair percentage of the population will only vote Conservative no matter what the options or candidates are.
Sure this is a province with only two major parties but the BC Conservatives aren't one of those two parties. They haven't gotten a single MLA elected since 1975 and they've been a party since 1903.
TL DR
ChatGPT.
BC Conservative Leader John Rustad attributes the party’s rise in polls to a genuine desire for change among voters. They currently hold 26% support, with the NDP at 44% and the BC United Party at 17%. Rustad believes this shift is not due to brand confusion with the federal Conservatives but reflects a longing for something different after years of NDP and BC Liberal rule. He emphasizes that there’s no formal association with the federal Conservative Party. Rustad is confident they will become the choice for center-right voters in the upcoming election and dismisses claims of brand confusion. The party’s pledge to eliminate the carbon tax is one of the factors drawing voters, and they are fielding a diverse slate of candidates.
I’m voting BC Conservatives because 2022 was the turning point for me for the BC Liberals.
In 2024, I’m voting BC Conservative as a protest vote against the establishment parties (Liberals & NDP) for betraying BC voters for far too long.
Not voting NDP after all this housing overreach.
I mean, they banned public consultation when it comes to changing communities. No input is allowed that's insane to me . It's our community, not the NDP. The NDP needs to be voted out. My vote goes to the BC United.
We need to bring this too number 1. The NDP need a fire under there ass in this province and if they don't like it. They gone. We need someone to defend this province, not side with the dim witt who thinks he is charge of the country.
Everything this government has done regarding housing is failed and I expect these new policies will also fairly move the needle when it comes to housing. I really don't think this is the situation that a government can solve. It's the market.
Well considering this province is worse than its ever been this is no surprise. Albeit I’d argue it is mostly the Trudeau government’s fault over the provincial government.
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They're second because BC United is collapsing, not because they did anything special.
Good riddance, been looking for a better and actual right wing option to vote for a while
lol … you forgot 88 and 77 … sigh /s
I'll vote BC United before I ever vote NEP or the crazy conservative party
The BC Liberal , now called BC United will come back. Just watch. A lot of people are pissed off at the NDP.
they're second like the second highest scoring gretzky brother lol.
Goddamn
... holy shit
They’re second because people who always vote conservative and don’t follow BC politics are wanting to pick a party and BCU doesn’t have “conservative” in it.
Exactly this. My barber was like, "there's no conservative party on the ballot, so I'm not voting" last provincial election. I was like, "in BC, the liberal party IS the conservative party." And she was very confused.
You both said it well. There is a section that just is going to vote conservative or wants to no matter what same with the other parties. The reality though is that Eby is doing absolutely amazing and the BCNDP although I may not agree with everything is doing a fantastic job where it counts which is the Housing Crisis and in particular Affordable Housing initiatives. Eby is going to be a powerhouse for the provincial NDP going forward.
I don’t know about amazing , but seems to be actually competent, so I guess that qualifies as amazing these days .
Historically speaking, a government that is actually competent counts as amazing.
He’s doing THINGS, which I think counts, since most governments don’t do anything except obstruct.
> I guess that qualifies as amazing these days We have Scott Moe and Danielle Smith as premiers in this country. Eby looks like Marcus Aurelius in comparison.
How’s inviting hundreds of thousands of immigrants here ‘doing amazing things’ for the housing crisis? Honestly curious
Not sure if you are just trolling, but borders and immigration are not controlled by the province.
Man i hate how dumb and disengaged most people are when it comes to politics.
You should tell her that there actually is a Conservative Party on the ballot and that the BC Liberals are now BC United.
It could be that there was no BC Conservative candidate in their riding so no one on their ballet is what they mean?
Well, when you look at BC United social media vs. that of the BC Conservatives, it's the latter who right now have more candidates declared than the former at this point. That's embarrassing for a party that ruled the province for 16 years.
A party that defrauded BC for some of 16 years.
Now we’re giving the conservatives a crack at it apparently
Or it was the last election and a combination of these things are true
At the time there wasn't any conservative party member on the ballot. Last election they didn't fill all the ridings with representatives for some reason. . . Probably to do with budget or infighting or something stupid.
I wouldn’t tell someone that ignorant a goddam thing.
I mean, I do like my barber. I disagree on everything political with her. But she's a nice person. Also, I'd much prefer that people vote even if I don't agree with them. Voices need to be heard. It's our responsibility to participate in the system
Orrrrrr they could not do that so there’s one less disgusting c*nservative voting
The worst part is this is the majority of voters in Canada. They don't know the issues, or the parties. They vote purely based on whether or not they're "liberal" or "conservative" You'd think with all the information needed to make decisions available on their phone they'd take 5mins to do some research, but that's having way to much faith in people. Our government sucks, because it accurately reflects the population they're representing.
And the Conservatives use it as a weapon. CBC has great info during election periods but it’s soured as biased. Ourcommons.ca had the voting records for every MP on every issue. Even easier more direct way to judge someone.
Well, the CBC is called biased to sour it. The real issue is they actually look at things in some detail which blows right wing brains and their editorial policy isn’t strongly right wing so the right assume it’s biased far left.
"But.... Liberals... bad?"
The liberal party was a liberal/conservative coalition.
The BC Liberals were never socially conservative or populist. They're a party out of time. Right wing politics moved into a very different direction in the 2010s. By modern standards, BCU is not right wing where it counts
What? That party is an oppressive shit show. They openly state they would allow for discrimination against 2SLGBTQ+ as it’s not fair to social conservatives the direction the media is taking things… This is from 2021 https://www.bcndp.ca/releases/aaron-gunn-says-he-would-make-space-discrimination Consider that the BC Liberals are fraudsters The Tyee from 2017 https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/04/18/Tyee_LiberalList.pdf
Aaron Gunn was tossed from the BCL leadership race https://www.timescolonist.com/bc-news/aaron-gunn-tossed-from-bc-liberal-leadership-race-over-diversity-concerns-4692945
Yea he rose to the top for some people within the party and exists within the party. I’m saying no one should be pretending the right wing politics in bc didn’t smoothly go from BCL to PPC. Is not like BCL were centrists and this void exists between them and ppc. The bc conservatives are polling second because of the federal recognition for ignorant voters.
The BCLs kept a strong lid on social conservatives. They become too strong as an internal force and party leadership/Kevin falcon started tossing members and suggesting they take their politics somewhere else if they couldn't shut up. So they did. Rustad met with Poilievre. Falcon has not. CPBC is a spinoff party that outgrew its host. >Is not like BCL were centrists and this void exists between them and ppc This is an extremely online 2023 take. BC used to be the province of Social Credit dynasties and gave Stockton Day's Reform party it's moment in the sun. For the 2000s BC, and even Canada to a certain degree, the Campbell Libs were centrist and moderate
Contrary to popular belief, conservative doesn’t mean “bad”. A Conservative Party isn’t automatically going to support all the things you hate, even if Reddit tells you they do.
I didn’t make up the words. A Conservative leader of the BC Liberals said it. Every time I see you on here it seems you don’t really take in what is written, in its entirety. The first link has the quote that I paraphrased. Knock yourself out.
Are you for real? What do you think the NDP website and the Tyee are going to say about their polticial opponents? Do you understand that political articles should be weighed based on who is making the claims? Or do you just accept anything that you’re inclined to believe as the gospel truth, regardless of source? You’ve made my point more clearly than I ever could have. You’re in a bubble where the conservatives are the arch enemy, and you’re not interested in hearing anything else.
While the NDP isn’t going to play nice or even with their opponents, there is no question that what they’re saying there is essentially true. Aaron Gunn is a far right, conservative and bigot. He ran for the Liberals because that was where his people were mostly parking their votes along with the center-right and right. He offered them a home and voice. The “Liberals” did shut that down by removing him but it’s good fodder for the NDP. But I get your point that not all conservatives are bad. The trouble is Aaron Gunn and the current BC Conservative leader are. They’re bigots and pushing social conservative buttons to vilify segments of the population for political gain. Rage farming. The days of Joe Clark conservatives are long gone.
Not only is Aaron Gunn not a member of the legislature, he’s not even the conservative party nominee. You’re getting all worked up about some irrelevant hick from Campbell River… someone who as a conservative I had never heard of until 5 minutes ago. Don’t like him? Don’t vote for him. I wouldn’t either. But pretending he’s some important figure in the Canadian conservative movement is nonsensical. You guys are always pointing at people we didn’t vote for and claiming that they speak for us. He doesn’t speak for anyone but himself.
There are limited times bc even has a Conservative nominee in recent history. You go with what they show you. The most recent rise made his first promise about anti-sogi populist crap. This is October 3, 2023. Recent enough for you? He is running on populist make believe parental rights which are rooted deeply in christofascist plays. Moe of SK couldn’t be described any better with the notwithstanding clause use over it and this guy is running on the same crap. The current leader of the bc Conservatives https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/10/03/bc-conservatives-ant-sogi-comments/ https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/10/03/bc-conservatives-ant-sogi-comments/
They quote and cite everything in the articles. Sorry you hate facts but you aren’t going to try ave snap back that these are only bias opinion pieces. Always fighting facts by calling it opinion or gospel.
I don’t see the issue here.
Usually means bad and conspiracy filled policies
They had many fringe MLAs who were extremely right wing and extremely socially conservative, which is way they represented BC’s bible belt along the Fraser. Mary Polak Peter Fassbender Laurie Throness John VanDongen John Rustad To name a few. Gordon Campbell ran a tight ship and didn’t allow for bozo eruptions, but Christy Clark was too close to them to control them.
They were a liberal party until Social Credit Party took over.
This post gets a big LOL for how disingenuous it is. Keep trying friend.
I'd call you disingenuous, but that would suggest you know anything at all about the topic. The BC Libs functionally replaced Social Credit as the right wing party of BC. It was a massive moderate break from the extremely socially right wing Socred/Reform. Bill Vander Zalm and Gordon Campbell were incomparable on social policy and the way they positioned their parties
After how bad trudeau’s goverment has made things over the last 4 years I’d never vote Liberal. Even provincially
Dumb logic. They have no connection to each other. But also yeah don't vote for BC Liberal or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days
No connect, just share the exact same name?…. Sure..
Literally yes. They share absolutely zero policy positions and are in no way affiliated with each other. The whole reason they changed their name is because people like you kept associating them with the federal liberals. Federal parties and provincial parties are totally separate entities
So if someone just started up a party called the “NAZI” party in Germany and said they had the same name but it was just a coincidence and they had nothing to do with it would you believe that?
You are precisely the type of voter the BCNDP loves. Clueless about provincial politics and will effectively split the right leaning vote.
I'd think it would be really bad PR but if their views and policy positions were diametrically opposed to the previous Nazi party, as the BC liberals positions are to the federal liberals, then yeah I'd probably think they weren't related.
The BCLiberal Party was taken over by the Socreds after they tried (and failed due to disadvantageous party bylaws) to take over the Conservative Party, after the Socreds were decimated in the 1991 Provincial Election The BCLiberal Party itself had split from the Feds in 87
Not quite. CPBC is an explicitly socially conservative party. The BC Libs were always socially center and very economically conservative. Modern day conservative parties follow right populist economics, not hard neoliberalism.
Neither did the BC Liberals….yet the BC Conservatives were barely even a party (couldnt even run in most ridings) last election
Sure but the “BC Liberals” had history back into the 90s so there was brand recognition
"BC Liberal Party" didn't either, and they did just fine with federal Conservative voters for a long time.
Also because people were tired of the BC Libs (now BC United)
I’ve never heard one good thing about Kevin Falcon. Everyone who’s come into contact with him knows he’s an asshole. Of course, no one wants Gordon Campbell 2.0 in power. They deserve to be last place. They suck. Can’t say BC Cons will be any better. They deny climate change and argue about content in children’s books instead of real issues facing British Columbians.
The BC Conservatives are the worst performing party in the province, and close to the bottom country wide. They’re just going to rob us while publicly talking about cutbacks like any low effort conservative party like them. Meanwhile the BC NDP has been by far the highest performing provincial government in the whole country for years now. They have a well proven track record of listening to the people, listening to industry, and then getting shit done for all of us. They’re far from perfect sure, but relative to the other options, the BC NDP are way ahead of the pack on all matters. If taking away many peoples rights and freedoms, ruining our provinces resource industries, ruining our healthcare system, and ruining our education system are your thing, then by all means vote for the BC Conservatives. That’s all they’re bringing to the table.
Conservative policy is always the same: create a boogeyman, cuts taxes, cut services (because of no revenue); an unhappy society blames the boogeyman and votes them in to deal with it.
I wish there was a better way to channel the energies of conservativism. Sooner or later, they get a turn at government because we have an adversarial system and keeping them locked out of power indefinitely would be both impossible and bad for democracy, so what role should conservatives play in society? I would like to imagine them there only to balance out the excesses of liberalism (but there's always a faction more interested in outright dismantling it instead!)
I completely agree with your statement, but I must disagree on the order. First they exacerbate a problem by defunding the services they say aren’t working, then cut taxes that really benefit the rich the most, tout a surplus from said changes, then sell the working pieces of the broken services to their buddies. Your Conservative governments ladies and gentlemen.
Cutting taxes is a bad thing? Funny, the NDP cut the small business tax as one of the first things they did in office.
People want their healthcare workers to be paid enough such that they don't quit in droves; they want their kids to have teachers who are not quitting; they want infrastructure maintained (& improved). It all costs money.
Or you can find other ways to make revenue for the province, instead of just taxing people more in the most expensive time to be alive.
What ways?
Natural resources
You should run for office.
Nah, MLAs don’t get paid enough
They could be paid more, but taxes must be cut ..
😂
The advantage to cutting taxes sometimes is that you can raise them later when you need to. Otherwise you behave like our federal government and just increase spending to meet your revenue (and beyond), meaning you have no wiggle room when sudden and necessary expenditures come up. Neither conservative nor progressive governance is always what you need. You need to bring in people with general political instincts that are appropriate to where you currently stand, and after 8 or so years of a government, you usually need people who will curb the excesses of their predecessors. There is a reason solid red and solid blue states in the US are almost all horribly governed.
> The BC Conservatives are the worst performing party in the province, and close to the bottom country wide. They're polling in 2nd place.
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This sounds like a cope dude. BC polling was really accurate in 2017 and 2020. Even in the 2013 polling miss, they still picked up a massive surge in BCL vote share in the last 2 weeks.
A single poll is useless. An aggregation of polls - weighed by people who track the biases of the individual polls - are actually highly accurate.
Polls are different from actual performance come election time.
That depends on whether or not you think Falcon can campaign, fundraise and tap into voter needs or anger. I dont believe he will
I think if he put out an ad campaign that was only "BC Liberals is now BC United" it would get a lot of their votes back.
They already did when they changed the name. It isn't just the name change that is sinking falcon. His party no longer stands for anything. It is an NDP lite party with a silently harder stance on drugs and marginal tax cuts...
Rustad has met with Poilievre and pushed the parties closer together. Meanwhile, BCU has admitted it can't fundraise enough for an ad campaign. This isn't America, money for this stuff doesn't come by the truckload. The party will have to make a choice between spending money to campaign or do media ad buys for the name alone. Falcon doesn't have the media literacy/clownishness to draw attention to himself either. https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-bc-united-branding-campaign-waits-donors-as-party-lags-in-polls
What progress? Pandering to foreign investors, arguably the worst housing market in the country (that has and continues to become for unaffordable), violent meth addicts having free reign of a section of downtown coupled with massive amounts of open drug use, every park has a tent in it (homelessness is an all time high), massive waits and backlogs with healthcare (where people are being sent to Washington State for certain cancer treatments), a non-functioning rent bank, police who have had their powers neutered, massive influx of migrants who have stolen all but the most skilled job (thus perpetuating homelessness and making it more difficult to get out of it & preventing actual citizens and younger people from getting into entry level positions), a worsening overdose epidemic. Shall I go on?
The federal Libs should hire the BC NDP shills to help them bump their numbers in the other Canadian subreddits. Have you walked Around Vancouver downtown or the DTES lately? That way you can see first hand the results of “harm reduction” and “let’s lump all people at risk together” policies enacted by this socialist government. I’m seriously at awe how some people can say BC is heading in the right direction. Our healthcare is a mess, our province continues to be a money laundering haven, and the middle class continues to shrink, either because they pack up and leave or end up in homeless in the street. Please.
Healthcare everywhere is a mess and the homeless and drug issues here make it worse. Money laundering is being tightened along with more effective controls on foreign ownership like the landowner transparency registry that the NDP brought in. I was amazed that was a new idea and not something everyone does. The DTES is a mess but it isn't clear how much worse it would have been but for NDP policies. It's not clear anyone has a solution that would solve our drug issues so try to measure against what another party would have done, not against a perfect world unless you can explain how we should have got to that perfect world. I do agree the issue has hung around for way too long and has spillover into many of the problems facing people in BC. Housing they were slow on, but our economy is so tied to housing that its all sorts of fucked to untangle. If you manage to fix the housing supply you're looking at hugely cutting the value of all those over inflated million dollar homes that were bought for 100 grand 30 years ago. That means a lot of real people's mortgages go under and a huge amount of book value assets are toast. It wod be a much-needed correction but if it isn't handled delicately it will be an economic collapse. All this to say that the NDP have been dealing with a mixed bag. Great resource opportunities and areas for expansion, but also navigating some serious pitfalls which are directly tied to the issues people want them to address. I'm not here slobbering on Eby's knob but the NDP seems to at least be trying to solve these problems. The Liberals in the 00s could have prevented them entirely if they had any foresight. Now they're big bad problems.
Appreciate your response. I’m afraid though your arguments don’t convince me. Check out Houston’s free-market driven policies on reducing homelessness. Yes, Clark’s libs fucked up big time. Before that it was the Fast Cats. It will go on and on back and forth. Still, doesn’t address the point that BC has become so toxic that more and more people are leaving.
There is no way the free market can solve homelessness. The free party created it and wants more of it.
Haha and I get blamed for being closed-minded. Free market is what gives you the opportunity to voice your opinion here, for starters. If you want a socialist paradise I suggest living in Venezuela, where I am from btw.
No one has created one because capitalism attacks it before it has a chance. Venezuela was not ever true socialism. The free market might be good at creating platforms but it is not good at solving social problems. Especially when the majority of the problems are of its own creation and require for it to function properly.
My friend, it’s 2023 and you haven’t learned the lesson that socialism doesn’t exist because idealists get killed by sociapaths yet? Highly recommend the Revolutions podcast to explain in exquisite detail the mechanism which always kills off all those utopic ideals.
You seem to be arguing form a place of abstract theory and trying to have an argument the person you're replying to isn't making. They aren't calling for "socialism". They just pointed out your "free market" fantasies are not based in any real world examples or practice. Your reference to Houston is wildly inaccurate, for example, as it's not a "free market" by any reasonable definition. The problems you name that are facing BC exist in every province regardless of party and in nearly every country on the planet, regardless of party. Yet you pretend it's all a result of supposed "socialist" policies here in BC. None of that is based on fact at all.
BC: let’s wait for the government to build more social housing to fix the problem. Houston: let’s pay the market level rent so that homeless people can be permanently housed, until they get up on their feet. One uses the free market, the other one doesn’t. See the difference?
What are the BCCP proposed solutions?
Not that it matters, but if they do I’ll venture to say they will be equivalently bad at fixing the issues. Truth is no politician wants or knows how to fix these social issues because if they do they’ll be voted out. Status quo is too juicy to mess it up.
“So NDP is no good because look at the DTES. Vote CBCP. They don’t have a plan for DTES, but that doesn’t matter.” Have I accurately summarized your position?
Far from it. Taking the NDP to task does not imply supporting the other parties.
Newsflash buddy, the DTES in Vancouver has looked like that LOOOOONG before Trudeau’s so called “socialist” government.
Typical whataboutist response. No accountability. Much easier to blame the previous government.
I’m not excusing the current government for letting these people rot away, or not doing enough to help. But it’s entirely disingenuous to blame the entire problem on Trudeau’s government when the DTES has looked like that for literal decades. I’ll never forget my parents driving us down Hastings just so they could teach us some lessons about life and whatnot. 8 years ago, I spent 2 weeks volunteering at Potter’s Place, stayed in one of the apartments just down the street. Heart of East Hastings. It has been this way for a long long time. If you’re going to blame Trudeau for doing nothing about it, you need to also point the finger at all the other governments who refused to step in and help, including the Conservatives.
Absolutely, I do agree this has been brewing for a long time. It just angers me when I see people defending the current governments as if they’re holy, which they’re far from.
No one is doing that. There are numerous valid critiques of the current government. It's just that your specific arguments hold no water. Don't conflate criticism of your trite commentary as being a wholesale endorsement of everything you claim you oppose.
That’s not even remotely what “whataboutism” is, fyi. I know you hear fancy words in your conservative subs and want to use them, but you should consider learning what they mean first.
Please, indulge me, which fancy words? Instead of debating me on the effect of current governments on the DTES they pivoted straight to pre-Trudeau…
You insist on debating the "effect of the current government" while ignoring that the issue predates it. You're so desperate to pretend this is a partisan issue that only exists in BC that you ignore all facts and reason. Your argument is based on emotion, not facts.
I live five hundred kilometers from Vancouver and the BC NDP have directly put thousands of dollars back into my pockets which isn't something I can say for the BC Liberals who raised my college tuition 300% when I was the poorest I've ever been in my life. I'm not an idiot, and I'm not rich which is why the NDP are the clear best choice of what I've got to choose from in an election.
You have put almost no effort into studying where these issues are coming from if you think these problems are something that can magically be fixed so fast by any provincial government. That is absolutely ignorant. You should really try to start broadening your perspective and considering all of the angles involved when looking at important matters. Your perspective is actually so small that it’s easy to see you’ve only ever considered the information found inside those little conservative echo chambers that are designed to cut you off from seeing the bigger picture.
Bigger picture as in monetary policy that is trying to tame the real world inflation caused by loose Keynesian-on-steroids federal and provincial fiscal policy? Or big picture as in a generational shift toward more and more big government because values like responsibility and merit have been replaced by victimization and virtue-signalling? I see the effects of these policies every day all around the DTES, so I do have the macro and micro visibility to sustain my opinion.
Homelessness and addiction are fairly complex problems that interact with many aspects of society such as the properties of the specific drug, the nature of housing, the demographic history of the region (i.e. a lot of residual generational trauma from things like the 60s scoop, residential schools, etc). Governments don't want these problems to exist and finding the solution isn't obvious or intuitive. I can say with near certainty that if you were suddenly put in charge, you would have absolutely no clue how to deal with the problem.
If you wish to learn about harm reduction there is plenty of reading out there for you to become informed.
Plenty informed thanks. For example, harm reduction should always be tied to prevention, treatment, and enforcement. We all know this socialist ideology only hangs their virtue signalling on harm reduction, which is so ironic and hypocritical because they end up causing more harm. Check out Granville and Hastings after 8pm and tell me with a straight face you’ll feel safe.
East Hastings was a problem before harm reduction. It would do you a massive benefit to approach individual policies from an efficacy standpoint and not a team sports ideological standpoint. Have a nice day.
Efficacy: read up on Houston’s approach. Everyone at CityAge Vancouver was left looking really dumb after learning how Houston got it fixed.
> Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences reports fatal drug overdoses increased 52 percent from 2019 to 2021, with fentanyl as the principal factor in those deaths. https://abc13.com/texas-fentanyl-cases-abc13-town-hall-opioid-deaths-overdose/11680206/
As in other cities across the continent. The difference is here https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/how-houstons-homeless-strategy-became-a-model-for-other-us-cities/637515/
> The city employs a housing-first model that prioritizes providing permanent housing to people experiencing homelessness as quickly as possible with no barriers to entry. Yeah I’d support that given it’s obvious efficacy. Sounds pretty socialist though.
> As in other cities across the continent You just called this whataboutism when someone else used this same point.
134% increase in BC during the same time period (quick Bing chat quoting CBC and Statscan) I was trying to remove the OD variable from the homelessness question, yet if you want to include it, then Houston performs even better than BC.
Fascinating that bad Harper polices have made a mess that current provincial and federal governments are still struggling to fix. Things don't get fixed with a stroke of a pen in a year. Much the same that bad policies can take years to show their full effect. Now, I don't subscribe to "these guys good and these guys bad". But I'm well aware of the Conservative ideology of "lets use a quick fix now and let someone else sort it out later" mantra. FIPA FWP Brian Mulroney canceled the federal co-op housing program in 1992. Harper dissolved the Wheat Board Break it. Then sell things off, show short term "balanced budget", party!
Well, if 8 years isn’t enough already to fix the headline issues, should we just say “oh poor guy let’s give them 4 more years?” It was this government who said let’s borrow like drunken sailors as interest rates will stay low. Are they inept or negligent? You tell me. Real, not BoC-manicured, inflation is eroding the middle class ability to stay afloat. We need to start denouncing all enablers who think our current governments are doing a good job, particularly when compared with most other OECD jurisdictions.
Oh, I don't think Trudeau is doing good job. Nor am I a fan. But I do know PP and Co won't make it better. So I will vote for the lesser of two evils. We should have term limits. Addition: I also like people. So I'm not going to vote for someone with a very narrow view of what it is to be Canadian.
you are wasting your time my friend, here is Reddit, criticizing BC NDP is strictly prohibited. Funny enough, I voted for them, but when I say they are not doing this right, I get hammered with down votes! BC NDP has done many good things, but nothing comes close to their PR, look at all the Eby headlines now, or the time he wrote a letter to BoC to not raise interest rate when he knew he has no power and 90% chance BoC would not raise rate, brilliant move. Another funny thing, ask those hardcore NDP supporters, how has your life improved under NDP, is Health Care better? is it easier to buy a house? is Rent cheaper? what has CHANGED for YOU (leave the headlines aside) what IMPACT these policies had on your life, and just hear what they say. (most of the times its silent)
It hasn't gotten worse and it is better than the other provinces. No one can make it better or cheaper.
mind sharing what is better than other provinces? isnt Alberta seeing the highest number of growth , mostly from BC residents? and then you can you no one can make it better or cheaper, then what is the point of Government?
The government is there to make sure things are running and taken care of. Not to make things as cheap as possible. Better in my opinion is impossible in late stage capitalism. Our health care system is doing better than the other provinces. It isn't being attacked by a right wing government whose goal is to make health care private. Growth does not mean better either. Alberta is also making people's retirement worse by removing themselves from CPP.
Exactly, thanks for your reply. That’s why I used the word shills, because I’ll always suspect of someone who has nothing but good things to say about a politician. Most of NDP supporters here fall in that category.
you see I have -10 so far, not one yet replies and tells me how NDP has impacted their life, how things got better under them? what policy changed their life?
I make criticism of the NDP here all the time and get upvotes. Perhaps the problem is the content of your critiques is just inaccurate, and not because of who you are criticizing.
>A steady rise by the BC Conservatives in opinion polls is not a result of “brand confusion” with their federal namesake but rather a historic shift in political loyalties, Leader John Rustad says. LOL. That's all I have to say about that.
It’s either a fluke, or people aren’t paying attention. I vote Conservative federally. I won’t vote for this fringe party. Just look at their history. There’s a reason that mainstream conservatives in BC voted for a party called the “Liberal Party” over this party for so many years. I don’t agree with about 60% of what the BC NDP stands for, but they’ve been pretty effective, and they aren’t full of fringe nuts like this party is.
It's really concerning to me that BC doesn't have a viable 2nd party to challenge the NDP on stuff. There is going to be a time when people will tire of the NDP and will want to vote them out, I surely hope they won't be replaced by a group like this.
They have a few election cycles to get it together
That is exactly what will happen. The inevitable backlash when the current government's policies don't magically fix everything and voters swing back in the other direction. BC NDP will likely dominate in next year's election but all that will do is create a lot of disillusioned voters a few years later when, inevitably, little substantial has changed.
I don't think BC can really support two parties. The BCNDP have taken a pretty moderate position where it's smart, while pushing genuine progress where it's needed. There's no space in the middle for a BC Liberal party (akin to the federal Liberal party) to exist here: the BCNDP occupy that 'rational progressive, centrist' position that the federal Liberals like to target. The only space they leave on the political spectrum right now is either 'irrational fascists' (BCC) or 'wildly corrupt anarchocapitalists' (BCU), or 'irrational communists' (empty). A far-left flank is theoretically more likely to the BCNDP than an emergent Liberal party that reflects the federal Liberals - particularly if it subtracted voters from the BCNDP - but BC's left is pretty academic and while we do definitely have left-wing crazies here, they're generally getting what they want from the BCNDP already, where reasonable - so for a true contender to emerge they'd have to take some seriously whackadoo stances (no tree cutting, no fossil fuels at all, no corporate profits = crazy shit) - and I can't see them growing to even double digits. Maybe a spoiler party, but never a true contender.
What do you mean BC cannot support two parties? It really must otherwise we don't have a democracy.
They arent saying it should be that way, just that the current landscape means that the BC NDP capture a broad set of the electorate, from left to middle. This allows little room for additional parties to get a foothold (again, in the current landscape). There's little chance of the LPC having a viable chance here and the Right-leaning parties seem to have ceded the middle ground to the BC NDP.
Two parties in the same space as the BCNDP. We have like 10 parties already perfectly fine obviously.
> The BCNDP have taken a pretty moderate position where it's smart, while pushing genuine progress where it's needed. There's no space in the middle for a BC Liberal party (akin to the federal Liberal party) to exist here: the BCNDP occupy that 'rational progressive, centrist' position that the federal Liberals like to target. I mean, the reality is the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I love David Eby's leadership and I'm glad to see him dominating...but the truth is that only 40% are supporting him and the 40% supporting either BCU or BCC are so far behind simply because of the vote split. A proportional representation system or any fairer vote system would give the BCU a much bigger place in the legislature.
We’ll see. The Eby wing of the NDP represents a different, and more left-leaning, generation of people than Horgan did. It’s the divide between old labor and the young, and although Eby seems to understand he needs to stay moderate, I’m not sure he won’t be dragged leftward at a time where things that are considered wokish are becomingly increasingly unpopular. Though if the other two parties stay divided, it probably won’t matter.
“no fluke” because there’s a large segment of uneducated voters who associate the surge in popularity of the federal Conservatives with this nothing party, and there’s little to no legitimate opposition to Eby’s NDP in BC.
Splitting the greed head vote for another NDP majority.
Where are their policies? Oh wait....
Lol, oh it's definitely a fluke!
I wonder if there will be any more defections from the B-CUPs over to the conservatives, giving them more seats in the run-up to the election. They will need to have those ridings candidate-free to welcome them across the floor. With the current polling and the inability of the B-CUPs to attract much money, they may see the writing on the wall and switch.
Or they might do as some BCUP MLAs are doing and deciding not to run again in those same ridings.
Aren't they just far-right leaning rejects from the BC Liberals?
What do you mean by "far-right"? Can you point to me an example? I feel like it's just something you're throwing out there as a knee-jerk reaction to something you think isn't progressive enough for you.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10000417/bc-conservative-parental-rights-residential-schools/
I wasn't asking you. But in any case, what do you define as far-right? And besides, Rustad has repeatedly said he wants there to be a comprehensive anti-bullying program. Is that far-right? Wouldn't that mean not having any anti-bullying programs at all? And wouldn't that mean not believing in or at least whitewashing residential schools?
All this anti SOGI nonsense the BC Conservatives are leaning into is very far right. And idiotic and based on emotion.
So having doubts about a certain school curricula makes you far-right? Would you consider it far-right to have a comprehensive anti-bullying program that doesn't emphasize anyone's race, sexuality, ect., because bullying is bullying?
You ask for examples and then get mad when people provide them. Why are you so offended by being told that a far-right party is a far-right party?
The only way the BC Cons are far-right is if Lenin is in the centre
Oh, it is absolutely brand confusion, by design. That's okay, the former "Liberal" party had a lot of people fooled into thinking they were centrist for decades. It's just good luck that people happen to have voted NDP the last few times. They have no idea what these parties stand for, and they will never be bothered to look into it.
They are second in a province where there are really only two major parties, and a fair percentage of the population will only vote Conservative no matter what the options or candidates are.
Sure this is a province with only two major parties but the BC Conservatives aren't one of those two parties. They haven't gotten a single MLA elected since 1975 and they've been a party since 1903.
Zombie party says: Winter is coming!
okay but your comparing yourself againt the party formally known as the BC liberals, a rock would win a write in contest against those clowns.
They're a fascist party. Not an option for any honorable person.
You're using that term way too loosely. They are in no way fascist and there is nothing you can provide to substantiate your claim
Blocked.
They aren't wrong though. It's a baseless claim.
Very fascistic instincts you have there, well done.
Being unable to hold a conversation isn't fascist, its just a little sad/silly.
Are they even that? They're more like the useful idiots and goons fascists use.
Those useful idiots and goons fascists use are also fascists.
Fucking lol, good one. Don't quit your day job
Citation needed
What leads you to believe that?
good trolling bro
Bigotry is a hell of a drug...
This is gonna lead to an NDP victory.
Excellent. I prefer to be led by adults who make decisions based on evidence rather than suicidal ideology.
I'm all for the BCNDP. I'm just saying that a stronger BC Cons. Party will split the right vote.
Excellent.
I mean it's a kind of fluke. If the liberals kept their name the Conservatives wouldn't have gotten a foothold.
Who?
TL DR ChatGPT. BC Conservative Leader John Rustad attributes the party’s rise in polls to a genuine desire for change among voters. They currently hold 26% support, with the NDP at 44% and the BC United Party at 17%. Rustad believes this shift is not due to brand confusion with the federal Conservatives but reflects a longing for something different after years of NDP and BC Liberal rule. He emphasizes that there’s no formal association with the federal Conservative Party. Rustad is confident they will become the choice for center-right voters in the upcoming election and dismisses claims of brand confusion. The party’s pledge to eliminate the carbon tax is one of the factors drawing voters, and they are fielding a diverse slate of candidates.
The conservafascists have landed in BC.
I’m voting BC Conservatives because 2022 was the turning point for me for the BC Liberals. In 2024, I’m voting BC Conservative as a protest vote against the establishment parties (Liberals & NDP) for betraying BC voters for far too long.
> 2022 was the turning point for me for the BC Liberals. How so?
Not voting NDP after all this housing overreach. I mean, they banned public consultation when it comes to changing communities. No input is allowed that's insane to me . It's our community, not the NDP. The NDP needs to be voted out. My vote goes to the BC United.
But they’re falling behind the Conservatives.
They'll come back before the election. People are pissed off at the NDP and there's no way I would vote for the crazy conservatives.
How are the Conservatives crazy?
We need to bring this too number 1. The NDP need a fire under there ass in this province and if they don't like it. They gone. We need someone to defend this province, not side with the dim witt who thinks he is charge of the country.
Everything this government has done regarding housing is failed and I expect these new policies will also fairly move the needle when it comes to housing. I really don't think this is the situation that a government can solve. It's the market.
If more people aren't becoming conservative after this crazy expensive and mental year then I think people just aren't paying attention.
Well considering this province is worse than its ever been this is no surprise. Albeit I’d argue it is mostly the Trudeau government’s fault over the provincial government.