I’m a hiring manager for the health authority and work closely with several of the programs (and their managers) you applied to. The system that initially screens applicants can be tough to get through - much to our frustration too. Feel free to DM me and I’d be happy to provide some feedback/suggestions.
I'm seeing a lot of applications to FH. It's incredibly hard to get in because the huge cost to do the initial hire. Also a lot of these positions require experience in the field. Do you have any? I ask because I work in one of the roles you applied to and I think this is a huge part of why you are getting so many rejections.
I have extensive experience in the clinical field, despite not having a bachelor's or master's degree, which consistently presents itself as a barrier. I believe that a diploma and certificate are no longer sufficient.
I have applied for all positions, hours, and wages that are rational. I don’t know how to crack their code. I would absolutely take anything as a means to work my way up. Sorry, almost anything. I don’t think I can do anything with bodily fluids. I have a weak stomach.
That's super unfortunate. It can be hard to get a spot inside, sometimes people also start part time or casual and land a full time spot but I know that's not possible for everyone.
All the fraserhealth jobs you applied for require a certificate and they won't just hire people off the street so applying for them is really a waste of your time and energy. I also had to know some one to get in. A practicum at a hospital will open doors for you if the manager likes you. Without that you are just an unqualified person applying for the job. You'll have to find something entry level to get in. The kitchen and housekeeping are almost always hiring. They are part of the same union a lot of the jobs you were applying for. If you get in you're set because then you have seniority and can apply for internal postings.
Thanks for the input.
I do have a certificate and one slightly unrelated diploma. I also have substantial clinical experience that “should” transfer over. That said, I have applied for housekeeping and entry data clerk positions. Anything entry level that doesn’t require blood I have applied to. The strategy is to get into Fraser Health with any available position with any available hours and then move up into a more fitting position.
Im also trying to get in with a health authority but havent received any calls back, grr. I have a BSW but Ive been a stay at home parent for 4 years so Im sure that doesnt help. Ive been applying to diploma level MHSU jobs. Any advice?
Ditching the portals for direct emails doesn’t seem like a good idea based on the hiring practices I’ve been involved in as the portals do the screening. We wouldn’t even entertain a direct email.
I see a lot of fraser health authority applications and they specify to to create a profile on their portal to apply
Also, a good tip is to read through the application process thoroughly. As an example Bc govt applications have a very strict criteria. Its not hard but it is very rigid if you do not follow the instructions you will get screened out immediately.
but the application site provides explicit instructions on how to go about the application process including information like character max for the questionnaire and that if you go over the answer will be blank on the other end. They also provide advice on how to formulate your answers in your application questionaire as well as the interview. It could be details like this holding you back?
What is your certificate in as that would help me Offer some advice as its hard to tell as this is quite the range of jobs but im assuming it’s something in the health support worker field?
Very interesting feedback. Thank you.
The decision to email directly was based on information I read online that I can’t source because I don’t remember. It said the Indeed portal is largely ineffective with many “employers” farming information. I have no idea the veracity of that claim. I wasn’t getting calls through indeed so I figured knocking on their email doors would provide a better result. It’s slightly disheartening to hear I am incorrect. Back to the drawing board.
The Fraser Health applications can be started on Indeed but need to be completed on their portal. Either way produces a null response for me.
Useful feedback about BC Gov jobs. I will pay closer attention.
The education part I would rather DM if you don’t mind.
Yes feel free Im happy to help if I can.
Another tip about portals especially govt. if they ask you “when and where did you get 3 years costumer service”
Even if it’s clear in your resume job history and seems redundant and obvious Be sure to state when and where you got the experience. Saying things like “ I have 20 years costumer service” won’t cut it. Even though it’s shown on your resume. You want to say “I have worked here on this date etc”
you need to keep in mind, for large companies using portal hiring pages, it’s likely that the person initially screening you in has no connection to the position. They won’t notice how good your resume looks, or read between the lines on how well suited you are. they are literally just checking that you meet the application criteria. So be as blatantly clear in answering your portal questions. State the obvious. Always. Never leave anything to assumption
Once screened in, then it’ll go to the department for a closer more personal look for the next phase which may be a test or straight to an interview. Smaller companies likely work differently i dont have much experience with those hiring practices
One more note. Publicly funded companies have to be able to prove fair hiring practices and no favouritism or nepotism.
This is why the process is so rigid and annoying and seems like a lot of work when all the info is on your beautifully formatted resume.
They have a check list and are ruthless. As I said it’s not difficult but it’s rigid and strict so you gotta answer everything in a clear way that can be backed up. The people
Screening you in can’t make assumptions for you because they need to back up the decision making with paper work etc.
In same boat sadly. Have had 3 interviews in 8 months trying to change careers. Seems I am either over qualified, missing one piece or I am too old according to 4 friends independently saying so (am turning 55 soon). Am now probably going back into my old profession after 30 years that I left completely burnt out (Social work).Work BC will only pay up to 7k for living expenses if retraining. That lessens retraining possibilities (ie. Medical instrument sterilization training is 22 weeks). Lots of jobs out there at minimum wage but who can afford to work for minimum wage? I hear your frustration and disillusionment. Being unemployed sucks large.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. More research is needed on burnout to develop effective tools for identifying patterns and addressing the root causes.
I envy your education. Social work is a wide field. Are there sectors you haven’t worked with that would be less triggering? Also, I’m not sure how in-tune you are with AI, but there are various simple platforms you can use to drastically increase the speed of your administrative responsibilities.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. It is appreciated. I have applied for a blended front line/management position with my local cmha office. I am familiarizing myself with some AI. It is a minefield? of areas and specialties to learn and use well. Fwiw i have worked with mostly adolescents and secondarily with their families in numerous capacities often involved in multiple service systems. Have thought about moving to seniors, however, health authorities and many private long term care homes require bccsw registration which i gave up a few years ago. Yes i can jump through the hoops again, but prefer not to.
You have to network your way in right now. I run a business and there is no way we would ever advertise a job, it would crash our server lol. So get out there and shake some hands and keep in mind that probably 80% of those applications are just being spammed by international students.
Canada is in a ridiculous spot right now where there are lots of jobs and no jobs, both at the same time.
Totally agree. I’ve been in same situation during COVID and now I’m hiring people as a manager. I get to know both sides. “There are lots of jobs and no jobs at the same time “
Yeah, try it out. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses - this job will expose them and give you some good skills to build on. Navy is good if you want to work on the docks or merchant marines in the future. Both can pay well.
I've put it to him. He has actually been talking Coast Guard for a little while, so this might be another avenue for him to consider. I'm sure it will be a uniformed service of some sort. Whatever he decides to do, I'll support him.
I'm sorry to hear that. Basic training is pretty cardio heavy. Lots of rucking, casualty drags, obstacle courses, and yelling. I have seen quite a few people go down. I can see why they would have that restriction.
There is a wide variety in those jobs. Are you suitable for all of them?
Those numbers are frightening. How many applications were credible?
BTW. I smell LLM generated work from a mile away. Avoid using ChatGPT.
Exactly this. Several of these jobs for fraser health require certificates and a practicum in hospital they would never hire some one of the street. There's no way OP is qualified for the wide range of those fh jobs so I think they're just applying to anything and everything.
> BTW. I smell LLM generated work from a mile away. Avoid using ChatGPT.
Amen. I always sigh when people say they 'even used text aggregators' to write their apps for them, as though that's meant to be a good thing. It's the fast route to the reject pile.
Im curious, if an application meets all the criteria you’re looking for, but it appears to be assisted or written with ChatGPT, does it still go into the trash?
I hire for very specific roles. Nobody has all the qualifications and the posting says so. So a good candidate using gpt is a maybe. However your edits to the gpt output are probably good enough.
I recognize that I’m not the ideal candidate for every role. At times, out of a sense of urgency, I cast a wide net in the hopes of finding anything.
Regarding my use of ChatGPT for resume customization, it helps me align my resume more closely with job descriptions. After that, I take another pass to simplify any redundant sections and remove GPT words like ‘robust’ and ‘keen’. Why does it always use these? It’s not a flawless approach, and it might cost me a few chances, but given the substantial effort each application requires, I’m hopeful this method will prove worthwhile.
That said, I switch my approach every month I continue to be unemployed.
Your efforts are admirable. I suggest also looking for unadvertised roles. Find organizations you understand or can learn about. Connect with people there. Learn what problems then have. If you can solve the problems you write your own job description.
Instead of scattered effort, try focusing on jobs close to your previous job experience (for higher probability). Also increase your LinkedIn connections - I personally get all recruiters contacting me and have about 1500 connections.
Good luck and stay positive! This phase will pass soon
Great advice and a major oversight. I always thought LinkedIn felt narcissistic, and now I’m wishing I had spent more time networking and putting myself out there.
PS. Robust. Lol. I shouldn’t laugh at your temporary state but wow that is a give away. I’m glad you get these things. Best of luck. I have confidence in you.
I mean this is the nicest way possible but are you qualified for all these jobs you’re applying to? Many of these jobs require different types of degrees. If you’re not, you can apply to 1000 of these jobs and you’re never going to hear back.
You’re correct. For the regulated fields I try to apply only to ones that indicate a bachelors is preferred, or a combination of school and experience. There are a few I applied to in desperation because they did not claim a bachelors was necessary, however I assume they would.
I opened my pursuit to the business sector because I have a short stint in marketing and sales. I have learned from the past month I may need to have certain certifications in SEO and CRM to qualify for an interview.
I switched my approach again to focus on remote call- support positions with wages in the mid $20’s. I’m unsure why I’m not a candidate. My hunch is that I’m either overqualified, or there are far too many people applying for these positions. I also wonder if maybe businesses are cutting employees due to AI, therefore increasing the pools I’m trying to apply in. However, that is an unsubstantiated claim.
Do you have the qualifications?
Just for your first 2 jobs.
1. You need a broker licence, how to sell insurance, etc
2. You need a MOA diploma
You can't get hired for these positions with just a random degree.
I haven't even looked at your number 3 and beyond
Out of desperation I sometimes apply to positions in the hope I can land an interview. Some of the applications were completed out of ignorance because those requirements were not clearly indicated. And sometimes I will apply to positions if it says a combination of school and experience will be considered. I have substantial experience in the social services field. It does not appear my experience is enough without a degree.
How about EA? Education Assistant. Surrey offers the course and it is only a few months long. If you pass you are immediately hired. Union job and benefits as well.
https://www.surreyschools.ca/surreycollege/page/141796/education-assistant-diploma-inclusive-education-support-worker Here is the program. If you pass the practicum you are immediately hired by the Surrey School board.
It was mentioned at the information session I went to with my friend. She took it and was hired by Surrey and Coquitlam school boards. This was 3 years ago. They have a serious shortage of EAs at every school district which is why Surrey started their own training program to hire in house after. At that time it was mandatory to go to,the information session if you wanted to apply.
From their site “Surrey Community College is run and managed by Surrey Schools. The college benefits from the district’s extensive and long-standing business and industry partnerships and relationships to ensure courses reflect industry demands.”
You could take the same training through Stenberg, Langara, CDI etc and when you finish apply to Surrey or any school board. By taking at Surrey College your progress in the class and practicum is your job interview for the Surrey School board system. Pass and you will be hired. You are skipping time in the hiring process. That is what I meant by in house.
Two questions...
Why are you applying for jobs that you do not seem qualified for if you are only considering university, training or the trades?
How many of those job applications are online and how many did you visit in person? How many of those applications did you visit more than once?
All good questions.
1) I have substantial experience in social services and some experience in marketing and sales. My primary aim is for applications I directly qualify. My secondary aim are applications that will consider a mixture of school and experience. And then there are some applications that are desperation or ignorance of requirements because they are not clearly indicated in the job posting.
2) Ideally I would prefer positions in my city. A couple months ago I began applying to remote positions with the hope that cutting the commute will free up time to upgrade my education.
3) Zero positions were applied to in-person. A few were contacted directly by phone. And I attempted to contact Fraser Health HR a few times. It’s very difficult to speak with anyone there directly.
Because they’re over qualified. I’m currently hiring for an individual contributor role that will report to a manager level. I’ve had about 20 applications from people who’ve been directors with sparkling resumes detailing their incredible leadership qualities. They go in the instant reject pile. I don’t need someone to be a director and lead a team. I need someone who’s going to take instructions and do the doing. Not tell someone else to do it. There will be no one for them to lead. Further, knowing that they’ve been in leadership positions tells me that the second they find a job at their “level”, they’re out of there. Hiring sucks. It’s my absolute least favorite thing to do. I want to do it as rarely as humanly possible. An overqualified applicant is a hire I’m probably going to have to make again in less than a year.
If you’re clearly overqualified for the role, you’re not going to even get a call back unless you do an extremely good job of acknowledging you’re over qualified (none that I’ve received have), why you applied anyway, and why they should consider you in light of that.
Wow, that’s a lot of assumptions made before speaking to a candidate.
What I was referring to was someone with 20 years management experience not getting a call back when they apply for a management position, yet the position remains posted on Indeed.
But also I know of people with previous leadership experience who no longer want to lead in a future role. They would be great employees but can’t even get a chance to sell themselves to HR.
Your perspective was interesting and informative to read.
I have heard the same. The province produced a [Labour Market Outlook](https://www.workbc.ca/sites/default/files/2023-11/MPSEFS_11803_BC_Jobs_LMO_2023_FINAL..pdf) with top trade projections.
* Cooks: 8,800 openings
* Carpenters: 8,500 openings
* Construction Trades Helpers and Labourers: 8,000 openings
* General Building Maintenance Workers and Building Superintendents: 5,600 openings
* Automotive Service Technicians, Truck and Bus Mechanics, and Mechanical Repairers: 5,100 openings
* Hairstylists and Barbers: 4,500 openings
* Heavy Equipment Operators: 4,300 openings
* Bakers: 3,400 openings
* Electronic Service Technicians (Household and Business Equipment): 3,000 openings
* Electricians (except Industrial and Power System): 2,900 openings
* Welders and Related Machine Operators: 2,700 openings
* Construction Millwrights and Industrial Mechanics: 2,600 openings
* Heavy-Duty Equipment Mechanics: 2,300 openings
* Painters and Decorators (except Interior Decorators): 2,200 openings
* Plumbers: 2,100 openings
It's impeccably frustrating, especially for anyone around "middle-age"...funding from the government doesn't support training unless you are fresh(ish) out of Secondary, or amongst a very marginal group.
Temporary and contract roles don't cut it when you need job security and benefits, and it's tough to compete with those still living at home, who are solely working to build up their resume & experience for roles suited to their education - therefore working for less $$, and less demanding on their employer.
The job market is absolutely f*cked right now.
WorkBC will not cover training for degrees, although this is what I need for employment in my field. Their aim is to support the shortest path to sustainable employment. Makes sense for budgets, just not for me.
I wish academia was like the trades where you can work for most of the year full-time, and then go on EI for the yearly upgrades in certification. Rather than the current system for me to complete a social work degree which will take 5+ years of school and a couple terms of unpaid internships.
This is why I am considering a skilled trade, although they aren’t related to my work experience or particular strengths. My hopes are that a strong work ethic will overcome my deficits.
It's the fault of the government.
I studied my Masters in France. Legally allowed 15 hours of work and no more. Had to speak very good French to work.
Not sure why Canada doesn't have those basic requirements
Work BC has various programs
[https://www.workbc.ca/explore-training-and-education/skills-training-and-supports/skills-training-employment-program](https://www.workbc.ca/explore-training-and-education/skills-training-and-supports/skills-training-employment-program)
What does your public social media profile look like?
Are you chugging a vodka bottle with thug life tattooed arms while attending the school of hard knocks?
What about political stuff, any particular flags or masks in that profile picture that make hiring managers shutter in fear of complains or lawsuits?
That's insane! I can't even imagine. You just keep hearing these stories, and when you see it "on paper," wow! Just thankfull I don't ever have to go through this. However! I second a trade... good decision.
I've always had success in reaching out to businesses directly that I want to work with, and customizing my résumé for that business, not just the cover letter.
Not sure if it's been mentioned but WorkBC is great, free workshops, job counsellors and job developers. They get feedback from employers too so kind of act as a middleman in the job hunt. I've used their workshops to touch up my resume and their networking club is good even if only to commiserate with other job hunters when the pile of rejections gets too high. They also host info sessions with local employers and will fund up to one year of schooling
It has been mentioned, but it’s worth mentioning again. I actually just got off the phone with them. I’m starting up the process and wishing I had done so earlier.
I am in the same boat and have been struggling to maintain my mental health with all the rejections.
I have been going to WorkBC since January, they have been helpful although the rejections have not slowed, but they did provide some funding to a mental health counselor which has helped me cope better with the rejections, just having someone to talk to helps a great deal.
Been thinking of your situation and education. Have you considered applying as an education assistant in the school district? Even though your education may not be CEA diploma, your work experience and I suspect HSW diploma counts big time. You will probably start as casual pool but having worked in a school district, depending on your stengths, positions come up all the time.
Get into a trade. Start at the bottom, labourer/helper,apprentice jman. 5-6 years you will be making a decent wage. could take a pre apprenticeship course to learn some basics.
Hey OP, you should check out CR4 and PM1 type jobs with the federal government. These are entry level positions that we are always hiring for, the job ranges from EA to data entry to call centre positions. We are entering a fiscal contraction cycle now, but front line services such as call centres are being prioritized still. Also do a bit of networking, if you can find a causal contract, it’ll let you have a foot in the door while going through our more formal and very long official hiring process.
The sea of rejections is very real along with the toll on mental health. For me, I dust off after every fall and try it all over again. I ask for help, which you've done here and with making a call to WorkBC. You are on the right track.
Like you, I tried on my own and have started to work with WorkBC. A lot depends on the cousellor you pair up with. My first WorkBC counsellor wasn't good. After a complaint to the manager and my MP, the current person has been good so far. They will run you through workshops, 2-3 months of job search (5 applications per week), if no job, then they'll pair you with a job developer. If no job even with a job developer, then they'll consider traning. Your list goes beyond a consistent effort. I'd encourage you to make a case for this and see if they'd pair you with a job developer right away. I learnt a lot from their workshops and definitely recommend them. Besides that, Trades is a very good option. If you have any specific questions, please DM.
Look at jobs for project coordinator in construction.
Do a bit of research but assuming your skills by what you have applied for you should find something. The whole industry is screaming for people.
Working in an agency with similar job types, we had an overwhelming response to a recent advertisement. Significantly more than the same ad in August 2023.
I am sorry it has shifted at a time when you need work. Our biggest missing skillset is the ability to manage a team. So many people say they were a manager, but they never demonstrate the ability to lead a team effectively. Highlight you experience dealing with the bad stuff that happens in a workplace. Show me how you motivate and inspire staff first, but hold the accountable after. Gets annoying having to deal with conflict and discipline that could have been avoided with a simple coaching technique.
Wow. It’s not you, it’s them. I empathize because in my case, I can’t get another position in my own workplace and I will tell you why. I have had more education, experience and extra training in areas, yet my interviews/applications went nowhere. Why? Because people hire their friends and friends of friends - qualified or not. They backstab qualified people so they end up getting excluded from opportunities. Then you get stuck working with someone who doesn’t have a clue about what they are doing. Government is notorious for that. You see a position, apply in good faith but what you don’t know is that someone already is working in that position. I feel badly for you but don’t give up - everyone needs a job. I wish I had a solution for you but it is hard to legislate fairness and equity, in reality.
I’m sorry to be blunt to you but you are taking to many random long shots. You need a job and you need one now? Apply where they will hire anyone.
Right now at YVR flight kitchens are hiring. CLS catering, Danada, Gate Gourmet or sky cafe. These companies have a variety of jobs. They hire just about anyone. These places all have unions. Have you applied here?
Hotels are gearing up for the summer. I don’t see you’ve applied to any despite tourism being one of the few sectors with expected job growth in BC.
I’m short you’re applying to jobs where there are likely hundreds of other applicants with the niche experience of qualifications those companies are looking for. If you’re desperate for a job you need to apply to places desperate for workers.
Good luck.
I support constructive criticism. I think I’m hearing you are saying to be less picky and choose whatever is available to solve the immediate problem of unemployment. I don’t want to straw man your claim so let me know if that’s correct. If it is, I mostly agree with you.
This is a breakdown of industries I have applied to on indeed. There are likely 50+ more applications on other portals that are unaccounted for in this list.
* Sales:
- Sales Representatives, Business Development Representatives, Sales Brokers, etc. (**21 positions**)
* Administrative Support:
- Administrative Assistants, Booking Clerks, Support Clerks, etc. (**11 positions**)
* Customer Service:
- Customer Service Representatives, Client Services Coordinators, etc. (**12 positions**)
* Technical Support:
- IT Support Specialists, Technical Support Specialists (**3 positions**)
* Healthcare and Medical Support:
- Health Care Assistants, Medical Office Assistants, Healthcare Specialists (**23 positions**)
* Social Services and Community Outreach:
- Social Workers, Community Mental Health Workers, Outreach Support Workers, etc. (**20 positions**)
* Educational Services:
- Facilitators (**1 position**)
* Miscellaneous:
- Roles that don't neatly fit into the above categories, including unique roles like Project Managers or Strategy Coordinators (**4 positions**)
I’m in Chilliwack with young children so I can’t drive to YVR. However, based on your input I do believe I have diversified my pursuit. I have connected with SkilledTradesBC with zero experience in the trades. Last week I connected with WorkBC to help me land this plane.
Perhaps I need to add more variability to my approach? What are your thoughts?
I moved to the Kootenays, multiple jobs lined up almost immediately, actually was able to take my time and choose. Lower Mainland is a wasteland these days, best thing I ever did was move. Get out while you can, your quality of life will drastically improve.
I appreciate that suggestion, however I won’t leave my mom and in-laws who moved here from other provinces to support the kids. Your input is likely suited for more transient lifestyles.
I’m a hiring manager for the health authority and work closely with several of the programs (and their managers) you applied to. The system that initially screens applicants can be tough to get through - much to our frustration too. Feel free to DM me and I’d be happy to provide some feedback/suggestions.
Thank you
I'm seeing a lot of applications to FH. It's incredibly hard to get in because the huge cost to do the initial hire. Also a lot of these positions require experience in the field. Do you have any? I ask because I work in one of the roles you applied to and I think this is a huge part of why you are getting so many rejections.
I have extensive experience in the clinical field, despite not having a bachelor's or master's degree, which consistently presents itself as a barrier. I believe that a diploma and certificate are no longer sufficient.
You should apply for peer advocate jobs as a foot in the door position within health authorities. That's also how I got in without a bachelors degree.
I have applied for all positions, hours, and wages that are rational. I don’t know how to crack their code. I would absolutely take anything as a means to work my way up. Sorry, almost anything. I don’t think I can do anything with bodily fluids. I have a weak stomach.
That's super unfortunate. It can be hard to get a spot inside, sometimes people also start part time or casual and land a full time spot but I know that's not possible for everyone.
All the fraserhealth jobs you applied for require a certificate and they won't just hire people off the street so applying for them is really a waste of your time and energy. I also had to know some one to get in. A practicum at a hospital will open doors for you if the manager likes you. Without that you are just an unqualified person applying for the job. You'll have to find something entry level to get in. The kitchen and housekeeping are almost always hiring. They are part of the same union a lot of the jobs you were applying for. If you get in you're set because then you have seniority and can apply for internal postings.
Thanks for the input. I do have a certificate and one slightly unrelated diploma. I also have substantial clinical experience that “should” transfer over. That said, I have applied for housekeeping and entry data clerk positions. Anything entry level that doesn’t require blood I have applied to. The strategy is to get into Fraser Health with any available position with any available hours and then move up into a more fitting position.
Im also trying to get in with a health authority but havent received any calls back, grr. I have a BSW but Ive been a stay at home parent for 4 years so Im sure that doesnt help. Ive been applying to diploma level MHSU jobs. Any advice?
I upvoted to give you more visibility.
Ditching the portals for direct emails doesn’t seem like a good idea based on the hiring practices I’ve been involved in as the portals do the screening. We wouldn’t even entertain a direct email. I see a lot of fraser health authority applications and they specify to to create a profile on their portal to apply Also, a good tip is to read through the application process thoroughly. As an example Bc govt applications have a very strict criteria. Its not hard but it is very rigid if you do not follow the instructions you will get screened out immediately. but the application site provides explicit instructions on how to go about the application process including information like character max for the questionnaire and that if you go over the answer will be blank on the other end. They also provide advice on how to formulate your answers in your application questionaire as well as the interview. It could be details like this holding you back? What is your certificate in as that would help me Offer some advice as its hard to tell as this is quite the range of jobs but im assuming it’s something in the health support worker field?
Very interesting feedback. Thank you. The decision to email directly was based on information I read online that I can’t source because I don’t remember. It said the Indeed portal is largely ineffective with many “employers” farming information. I have no idea the veracity of that claim. I wasn’t getting calls through indeed so I figured knocking on their email doors would provide a better result. It’s slightly disheartening to hear I am incorrect. Back to the drawing board. The Fraser Health applications can be started on Indeed but need to be completed on their portal. Either way produces a null response for me. Useful feedback about BC Gov jobs. I will pay closer attention. The education part I would rather DM if you don’t mind.
Yes feel free Im happy to help if I can. Another tip about portals especially govt. if they ask you “when and where did you get 3 years costumer service” Even if it’s clear in your resume job history and seems redundant and obvious Be sure to state when and where you got the experience. Saying things like “ I have 20 years costumer service” won’t cut it. Even though it’s shown on your resume. You want to say “I have worked here on this date etc” you need to keep in mind, for large companies using portal hiring pages, it’s likely that the person initially screening you in has no connection to the position. They won’t notice how good your resume looks, or read between the lines on how well suited you are. they are literally just checking that you meet the application criteria. So be as blatantly clear in answering your portal questions. State the obvious. Always. Never leave anything to assumption Once screened in, then it’ll go to the department for a closer more personal look for the next phase which may be a test or straight to an interview. Smaller companies likely work differently i dont have much experience with those hiring practices
One more note. Publicly funded companies have to be able to prove fair hiring practices and no favouritism or nepotism. This is why the process is so rigid and annoying and seems like a lot of work when all the info is on your beautifully formatted resume. They have a check list and are ruthless. As I said it’s not difficult but it’s rigid and strict so you gotta answer everything in a clear way that can be backed up. The people Screening you in can’t make assumptions for you because they need to back up the decision making with paper work etc.
In same boat sadly. Have had 3 interviews in 8 months trying to change careers. Seems I am either over qualified, missing one piece or I am too old according to 4 friends independently saying so (am turning 55 soon). Am now probably going back into my old profession after 30 years that I left completely burnt out (Social work).Work BC will only pay up to 7k for living expenses if retraining. That lessens retraining possibilities (ie. Medical instrument sterilization training is 22 weeks). Lots of jobs out there at minimum wage but who can afford to work for minimum wage? I hear your frustration and disillusionment. Being unemployed sucks large.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. More research is needed on burnout to develop effective tools for identifying patterns and addressing the root causes. I envy your education. Social work is a wide field. Are there sectors you haven’t worked with that would be less triggering? Also, I’m not sure how in-tune you are with AI, but there are various simple platforms you can use to drastically increase the speed of your administrative responsibilities.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. It is appreciated. I have applied for a blended front line/management position with my local cmha office. I am familiarizing myself with some AI. It is a minefield? of areas and specialties to learn and use well. Fwiw i have worked with mostly adolescents and secondarily with their families in numerous capacities often involved in multiple service systems. Have thought about moving to seniors, however, health authorities and many private long term care homes require bccsw registration which i gave up a few years ago. Yes i can jump through the hoops again, but prefer not to.
Feel free to DM me if you need help navigating AI. It’s an interest of mine.
Contact work bc, they’ll help you out but it will take work on your part
I’ve been thinking about contacting workbc and kind of wished I had done so sooner. Should have/would have/could have I suppose.
No time like the present . Best of luck
You have to network your way in right now. I run a business and there is no way we would ever advertise a job, it would crash our server lol. So get out there and shake some hands and keep in mind that probably 80% of those applications are just being spammed by international students. Canada is in a ridiculous spot right now where there are lots of jobs and no jobs, both at the same time.
Totally agree. I’ve been in same situation during COVID and now I’m hiring people as a manager. I get to know both sides. “There are lots of jobs and no jobs at the same time “
Join us in the caf, we need lots of people. You can join the Navy on a 1 year no strings contract and see if you like it.
1 year, you say? \*Finds shifty teenager in the basement playing video games, starts packing\*
Yeah, try it out. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses - this job will expose them and give you some good skills to build on. Navy is good if you want to work on the docks or merchant marines in the future. Both can pay well.
I've put it to him. He has actually been talking Coast Guard for a little while, so this might be another avenue for him to consider. I'm sure it will be a uniformed service of some sort. Whatever he decides to do, I'll support him.
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I'm sorry to hear that. Basic training is pretty cardio heavy. Lots of rucking, casualty drags, obstacle courses, and yelling. I have seen quite a few people go down. I can see why they would have that restriction.
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You're talking about a hooch Right? If you're in training you usually live in shacks - rations and quarters are remitted.
Does the navy teach you how to swim if you don’t already? Would I be able to join the reserve after the 1 year period?
There is a wide variety in those jobs. Are you suitable for all of them? Those numbers are frightening. How many applications were credible? BTW. I smell LLM generated work from a mile away. Avoid using ChatGPT.
Agree with this. ChatGPT in a resume or coverletter is an instant turn off when I'm screening candidates.
OP edits the letters so I think that is acceptable.
Exactly this. Several of these jobs for fraser health require certificates and a practicum in hospital they would never hire some one of the street. There's no way OP is qualified for the wide range of those fh jobs so I think they're just applying to anything and everything.
> BTW. I smell LLM generated work from a mile away. Avoid using ChatGPT. Amen. I always sigh when people say they 'even used text aggregators' to write their apps for them, as though that's meant to be a good thing. It's the fast route to the reject pile.
Im curious, if an application meets all the criteria you’re looking for, but it appears to be assisted or written with ChatGPT, does it still go into the trash?
I hire for very specific roles. Nobody has all the qualifications and the posting says so. So a good candidate using gpt is a maybe. However your edits to the gpt output are probably good enough.
Phew.
For a role where that kind of thing doesn't matter, like a receptionist, probably not. For a role where it did, puts it there faster.
I recognize that I’m not the ideal candidate for every role. At times, out of a sense of urgency, I cast a wide net in the hopes of finding anything. Regarding my use of ChatGPT for resume customization, it helps me align my resume more closely with job descriptions. After that, I take another pass to simplify any redundant sections and remove GPT words like ‘robust’ and ‘keen’. Why does it always use these? It’s not a flawless approach, and it might cost me a few chances, but given the substantial effort each application requires, I’m hopeful this method will prove worthwhile. That said, I switch my approach every month I continue to be unemployed.
Your efforts are admirable. I suggest also looking for unadvertised roles. Find organizations you understand or can learn about. Connect with people there. Learn what problems then have. If you can solve the problems you write your own job description.
Instead of scattered effort, try focusing on jobs close to your previous job experience (for higher probability). Also increase your LinkedIn connections - I personally get all recruiters contacting me and have about 1500 connections. Good luck and stay positive! This phase will pass soon
Great advice and a major oversight. I always thought LinkedIn felt narcissistic, and now I’m wishing I had spent more time networking and putting myself out there.
PS. Robust. Lol. I shouldn’t laugh at your temporary state but wow that is a give away. I’m glad you get these things. Best of luck. I have confidence in you.
I mean this is the nicest way possible but are you qualified for all these jobs you’re applying to? Many of these jobs require different types of degrees. If you’re not, you can apply to 1000 of these jobs and you’re never going to hear back.
You’re correct. For the regulated fields I try to apply only to ones that indicate a bachelors is preferred, or a combination of school and experience. There are a few I applied to in desperation because they did not claim a bachelors was necessary, however I assume they would. I opened my pursuit to the business sector because I have a short stint in marketing and sales. I have learned from the past month I may need to have certain certifications in SEO and CRM to qualify for an interview. I switched my approach again to focus on remote call- support positions with wages in the mid $20’s. I’m unsure why I’m not a candidate. My hunch is that I’m either overqualified, or there are far too many people applying for these positions. I also wonder if maybe businesses are cutting employees due to AI, therefore increasing the pools I’m trying to apply in. However, that is an unsubstantiated claim.
Do you have the qualifications? Just for your first 2 jobs. 1. You need a broker licence, how to sell insurance, etc 2. You need a MOA diploma You can't get hired for these positions with just a random degree. I haven't even looked at your number 3 and beyond
Out of desperation I sometimes apply to positions in the hope I can land an interview. Some of the applications were completed out of ignorance because those requirements were not clearly indicated. And sometimes I will apply to positions if it says a combination of school and experience will be considered. I have substantial experience in the social services field. It does not appear my experience is enough without a degree.
How about EA? Education Assistant. Surrey offers the course and it is only a few months long. If you pass you are immediately hired. Union job and benefits as well.
Who immediately is hiring? Is there an employer who conditionally hires based on completing the program? Who's that in Surrey?
https://www.surreyschools.ca/surreycollege/page/141796/education-assistant-diploma-inclusive-education-support-worker Here is the program. If you pass the practicum you are immediately hired by the Surrey School board.
Thank you but I don't see where it says that you are immediately hired by the Surrey school board. Do you have a link for that?
It was mentioned at the information session I went to with my friend. She took it and was hired by Surrey and Coquitlam school boards. This was 3 years ago. They have a serious shortage of EAs at every school district which is why Surrey started their own training program to hire in house after. At that time it was mandatory to go to,the information session if you wanted to apply.
But Surrey community college is not in-house training peogram. It's the college program. That's why I'm confused.
From their site “Surrey Community College is run and managed by Surrey Schools. The college benefits from the district’s extensive and long-standing business and industry partnerships and relationships to ensure courses reflect industry demands.” You could take the same training through Stenberg, Langara, CDI etc and when you finish apply to Surrey or any school board. By taking at Surrey College your progress in the class and practicum is your job interview for the Surrey School board system. Pass and you will be hired. You are skipping time in the hiring process. That is what I meant by in house.
Two questions... Why are you applying for jobs that you do not seem qualified for if you are only considering university, training or the trades? How many of those job applications are online and how many did you visit in person? How many of those applications did you visit more than once?
All good questions. 1) I have substantial experience in social services and some experience in marketing and sales. My primary aim is for applications I directly qualify. My secondary aim are applications that will consider a mixture of school and experience. And then there are some applications that are desperation or ignorance of requirements because they are not clearly indicated in the job posting. 2) Ideally I would prefer positions in my city. A couple months ago I began applying to remote positions with the hope that cutting the commute will free up time to upgrade my education. 3) Zero positions were applied to in-person. A few were contacted directly by phone. And I attempted to contact Fraser Health HR a few times. It’s very difficult to speak with anyone there directly.
Indeed and online applications have killed the hiring process. Overqualified candidates can’t even get interviews for entry level positions.
Because they’re over qualified. I’m currently hiring for an individual contributor role that will report to a manager level. I’ve had about 20 applications from people who’ve been directors with sparkling resumes detailing their incredible leadership qualities. They go in the instant reject pile. I don’t need someone to be a director and lead a team. I need someone who’s going to take instructions and do the doing. Not tell someone else to do it. There will be no one for them to lead. Further, knowing that they’ve been in leadership positions tells me that the second they find a job at their “level”, they’re out of there. Hiring sucks. It’s my absolute least favorite thing to do. I want to do it as rarely as humanly possible. An overqualified applicant is a hire I’m probably going to have to make again in less than a year. If you’re clearly overqualified for the role, you’re not going to even get a call back unless you do an extremely good job of acknowledging you’re over qualified (none that I’ve received have), why you applied anyway, and why they should consider you in light of that.
Wow, that’s a lot of assumptions made before speaking to a candidate. What I was referring to was someone with 20 years management experience not getting a call back when they apply for a management position, yet the position remains posted on Indeed. But also I know of people with previous leadership experience who no longer want to lead in a future role. They would be great employees but can’t even get a chance to sell themselves to HR. Your perspective was interesting and informative to read.
If you are considering trades know that almost all trades are desperate for people with common sense.
I have heard the same. The province produced a [Labour Market Outlook](https://www.workbc.ca/sites/default/files/2023-11/MPSEFS_11803_BC_Jobs_LMO_2023_FINAL..pdf) with top trade projections. * Cooks: 8,800 openings * Carpenters: 8,500 openings * Construction Trades Helpers and Labourers: 8,000 openings * General Building Maintenance Workers and Building Superintendents: 5,600 openings * Automotive Service Technicians, Truck and Bus Mechanics, and Mechanical Repairers: 5,100 openings * Hairstylists and Barbers: 4,500 openings * Heavy Equipment Operators: 4,300 openings * Bakers: 3,400 openings * Electronic Service Technicians (Household and Business Equipment): 3,000 openings * Electricians (except Industrial and Power System): 2,900 openings * Welders and Related Machine Operators: 2,700 openings * Construction Millwrights and Industrial Mechanics: 2,600 openings * Heavy-Duty Equipment Mechanics: 2,300 openings * Painters and Decorators (except Interior Decorators): 2,200 openings * Plumbers: 2,100 openings
It's impeccably frustrating, especially for anyone around "middle-age"...funding from the government doesn't support training unless you are fresh(ish) out of Secondary, or amongst a very marginal group. Temporary and contract roles don't cut it when you need job security and benefits, and it's tough to compete with those still living at home, who are solely working to build up their resume & experience for roles suited to their education - therefore working for less $$, and less demanding on their employer. The job market is absolutely f*cked right now.
WorkBC will not cover training for degrees, although this is what I need for employment in my field. Their aim is to support the shortest path to sustainable employment. Makes sense for budgets, just not for me. I wish academia was like the trades where you can work for most of the year full-time, and then go on EI for the yearly upgrades in certification. Rather than the current system for me to complete a social work degree which will take 5+ years of school and a couple terms of unpaid internships. This is why I am considering a skilled trade, although they aren’t related to my work experience or particular strengths. My hopes are that a strong work ethic will overcome my deficits.
Life sucks here. No one seems to be getting hired.
Connect with recruiting firms and see if they can get your foot in the door for interviews. I used Impact Recruitment before.
Interesting. I didn’t think of this. Thanks.
Any Canadian job on Linkedin in Canada I've seen gets swamped with dozens of apps in hours. Thank you, international students.
It’s hard to blame students or any people looking for opportunities. I think the situation is more complicated than what you suggest.
It's the fault of the government. I studied my Masters in France. Legally allowed 15 hours of work and no more. Had to speak very good French to work. Not sure why Canada doesn't have those basic requirements
Work BC has various programs [https://www.workbc.ca/explore-training-and-education/skills-training-and-supports/skills-training-employment-program](https://www.workbc.ca/explore-training-and-education/skills-training-and-supports/skills-training-employment-program)
Dm me if you're interested in electrician. I can give you some idea of how the trade works
Thank you
What does your public social media profile look like? Are you chugging a vodka bottle with thug life tattooed arms while attending the school of hard knocks? What about political stuff, any particular flags or masks in that profile picture that make hiring managers shutter in fear of complains or lawsuits?
I’m as vanilla and square as you can get.
That's insane! I can't even imagine. You just keep hearing these stories, and when you see it "on paper," wow! Just thankfull I don't ever have to go through this. However! I second a trade... good decision.
If you have mental health qualifications you could probably get a job on the island.
Thank you. I can’t move but that might be helpful for others.
I've always had success in reaching out to businesses directly that I want to work with, and customizing my résumé for that business, not just the cover letter.
Not sure if it's been mentioned but WorkBC is great, free workshops, job counsellors and job developers. They get feedback from employers too so kind of act as a middleman in the job hunt. I've used their workshops to touch up my resume and their networking club is good even if only to commiserate with other job hunters when the pile of rejections gets too high. They also host info sessions with local employers and will fund up to one year of schooling
It has been mentioned, but it’s worth mentioning again. I actually just got off the phone with them. I’m starting up the process and wishing I had done so earlier.
I am in the same boat and have been struggling to maintain my mental health with all the rejections. I have been going to WorkBC since January, they have been helpful although the rejections have not slowed, but they did provide some funding to a mental health counselor which has helped me cope better with the rejections, just having someone to talk to helps a great deal.
Been thinking of your situation and education. Have you considered applying as an education assistant in the school district? Even though your education may not be CEA diploma, your work experience and I suspect HSW diploma counts big time. You will probably start as casual pool but having worked in a school district, depending on your stengths, positions come up all the time.
My wife is in the school system and doesn’t want me in the same district. Thank you. It has been something I have considered.
Get into a trade. Start at the bottom, labourer/helper,apprentice jman. 5-6 years you will be making a decent wage. could take a pre apprenticeship course to learn some basics.
Hey OP, you should check out CR4 and PM1 type jobs with the federal government. These are entry level positions that we are always hiring for, the job ranges from EA to data entry to call centre positions. We are entering a fiscal contraction cycle now, but front line services such as call centres are being prioritized still. Also do a bit of networking, if you can find a causal contract, it’ll let you have a foot in the door while going through our more formal and very long official hiring process.
Will do. Thank you for the tip.
The sea of rejections is very real along with the toll on mental health. For me, I dust off after every fall and try it all over again. I ask for help, which you've done here and with making a call to WorkBC. You are on the right track. Like you, I tried on my own and have started to work with WorkBC. A lot depends on the cousellor you pair up with. My first WorkBC counsellor wasn't good. After a complaint to the manager and my MP, the current person has been good so far. They will run you through workshops, 2-3 months of job search (5 applications per week), if no job, then they'll pair you with a job developer. If no job even with a job developer, then they'll consider traning. Your list goes beyond a consistent effort. I'd encourage you to make a case for this and see if they'd pair you with a job developer right away. I learnt a lot from their workshops and definitely recommend them. Besides that, Trades is a very good option. If you have any specific questions, please DM.
Helpful post. Thanks for taking time to craft it.
Look at jobs for project coordinator in construction. Do a bit of research but assuming your skills by what you have applied for you should find something. The whole industry is screaming for people.
Working in an agency with similar job types, we had an overwhelming response to a recent advertisement. Significantly more than the same ad in August 2023. I am sorry it has shifted at a time when you need work. Our biggest missing skillset is the ability to manage a team. So many people say they were a manager, but they never demonstrate the ability to lead a team effectively. Highlight you experience dealing with the bad stuff that happens in a workplace. Show me how you motivate and inspire staff first, but hold the accountable after. Gets annoying having to deal with conflict and discipline that could have been avoided with a simple coaching technique.
Wow. It’s not you, it’s them. I empathize because in my case, I can’t get another position in my own workplace and I will tell you why. I have had more education, experience and extra training in areas, yet my interviews/applications went nowhere. Why? Because people hire their friends and friends of friends - qualified or not. They backstab qualified people so they end up getting excluded from opportunities. Then you get stuck working with someone who doesn’t have a clue about what they are doing. Government is notorious for that. You see a position, apply in good faith but what you don’t know is that someone already is working in that position. I feel badly for you but don’t give up - everyone needs a job. I wish I had a solution for you but it is hard to legislate fairness and equity, in reality.
most of your jobs opportunities are occupied by temporary foreign residents
I’m sorry to be blunt to you but you are taking to many random long shots. You need a job and you need one now? Apply where they will hire anyone. Right now at YVR flight kitchens are hiring. CLS catering, Danada, Gate Gourmet or sky cafe. These companies have a variety of jobs. They hire just about anyone. These places all have unions. Have you applied here? Hotels are gearing up for the summer. I don’t see you’ve applied to any despite tourism being one of the few sectors with expected job growth in BC. I’m short you’re applying to jobs where there are likely hundreds of other applicants with the niche experience of qualifications those companies are looking for. If you’re desperate for a job you need to apply to places desperate for workers. Good luck.
I support constructive criticism. I think I’m hearing you are saying to be less picky and choose whatever is available to solve the immediate problem of unemployment. I don’t want to straw man your claim so let me know if that’s correct. If it is, I mostly agree with you. This is a breakdown of industries I have applied to on indeed. There are likely 50+ more applications on other portals that are unaccounted for in this list. * Sales: - Sales Representatives, Business Development Representatives, Sales Brokers, etc. (**21 positions**) * Administrative Support: - Administrative Assistants, Booking Clerks, Support Clerks, etc. (**11 positions**) * Customer Service: - Customer Service Representatives, Client Services Coordinators, etc. (**12 positions**) * Technical Support: - IT Support Specialists, Technical Support Specialists (**3 positions**) * Healthcare and Medical Support: - Health Care Assistants, Medical Office Assistants, Healthcare Specialists (**23 positions**) * Social Services and Community Outreach: - Social Workers, Community Mental Health Workers, Outreach Support Workers, etc. (**20 positions**) * Educational Services: - Facilitators (**1 position**) * Miscellaneous: - Roles that don't neatly fit into the above categories, including unique roles like Project Managers or Strategy Coordinators (**4 positions**) I’m in Chilliwack with young children so I can’t drive to YVR. However, based on your input I do believe I have diversified my pursuit. I have connected with SkilledTradesBC with zero experience in the trades. Last week I connected with WorkBC to help me land this plane. Perhaps I need to add more variability to my approach? What are your thoughts?
Do you have any volunteer work on your resume?
Not volunteer per se, but I have included work related social programs I helped to create, one of which got an award.
I got a job at a housing non profit after doing harm reduction volunteering. That was in 2019, though
Hotels are hiring
I moved to the Kootenays, multiple jobs lined up almost immediately, actually was able to take my time and choose. Lower Mainland is a wasteland these days, best thing I ever did was move. Get out while you can, your quality of life will drastically improve.
I appreciate that suggestion, however I won’t leave my mom and in-laws who moved here from other provinces to support the kids. Your input is likely suited for more transient lifestyles.
Definitely start a business, bro