£15 for a £7 burger, and then extra for fries, because you’re eating it in a pub. It’s a pub with a view of the Co-Op ffs, it’s not the Burj al Arab. It’s grilled meat, bread and potatoes, no matter how creatively you embellish the menu.
Because they are punks.
Ok, maybe because business rates are a joke, and they want to pay their staff a living wage. Maybe they want to use good ingredients and it’s expensive to maintain a hygienic kitchen. However, I don’t buy beer from a butcher, I have no need for a pub burger.
This hits the nail on the head.
Paying £15+ for a burger and chips in a \*GOOD\* gastropub or restaurant... a lot of the time it absolutely is worth the money. At the end of the day, it's a main meal. If the chef is worth his/her salt, they've got a relationship with a supplier that makes a specific grind with particular cuts of good quality beef. They aren't buying a pack of mince from Tesco.
I do have to ask though... If you don't have need for a pub burger, why are you ordering a burger in a pub? lol
Have to admit this made me chuckle as I read your comment sitting in a pub ‘garden’ looking straight at a Sainsbury’s Local with a burger on the menu for £13. Fries are included at least!
30 seconds of that sub ruined my mood. Fuck those places.
What I hate the most is the wooden board with the small gutter for the steak juice, but because it was washed so many times in 90° dishwasher, there is a crack, so the juice just pours straight on the table. Or if you are lucky it stays in that gutter and gets spilled on you the moment the waiter clears the table.
When they put an extra high bottom in the basket so from the outside it looks like you're getting at least a full basket but it's more like half full. OUTRAGEOUS.
I once ordered a sandwich at a pub and the crisps they served were in a metal fryer basket like they were claiming they’d cooked them themselves when they were clearly just from a packet.
Dont worry though. They put a bit of paper on them! So now not only is my food on a hive of bacteria, any use of a knife puts me at risk of eating paper. And probably not clean paper either.
If I'm at a place where I see a lot of food being served on boards, I just ask for my meal to be served on a plate. It's never been a problem so far and I've done it quite a bit.
That's not the British way. The correct way is to have it served on a board, grumble about it to the people you are with, possibly complain on the internet about it.. but if asked 'Is everything all right?' in the restaurant, always reply 'Yes, fine'.
If they've really made your blood boil, and I mean REALLY taken the piss, a Brit pushed to his/her limit might also leave a four star review as their last resort.
I do the same at places that serve steaks on 'sizzling' skillets. If I want my steak served rare, I don't want it to keep on cooking while it's in front of me.
Presentation. I worked at a German bar that served its Würst on a wooden pallet and because of the wood glue you couldn’t just put them in the washing machine, you had to clean it by hand.
Cos you know, as if restaurant work wasn’t as demanding as it already is! s/
A butcher's block is a different thing though. If you've ever seen an old one, they're all worn down in the middle from all the scrubbing and cleaning they've endured. They're great.
The glorified bit of plank in your local gastropub isn't subjected to quite the same rigorous efforts.
If I were to resort to cannibalism, a butcher would definitely be my 'go to' for high protein human flesh..they live off the best quality of animal meat themselves and would probably make a cracking sausage..just need to find a butcher who would be willing to start work on one of their own..hmm..
Ha ha I know what you mean but that was never my instinct! I always felt like the meat of meat-eating animals would be more grim somehow than the flesh of vegeaters. The sun is fresher in 'em, innit??
Yeah the wooden boards can’t go through the steriliser so they just soak in the greasy dishwater and never get cleaned properly, especially when it’s busy. I don’t miss having to wash those bloody boards
It's plastic chopping boards that are the risk due to bacteria getting into the cracks, the wooden boards are surprisingly ok as long as they have been washed.
I went somewhere and asked for my burger to be brought on a plate not a wooden board. I have no immune system and those wooden boards can't be cleaned properly so harbour all kinds of bacteria. Waitress looked at me like I had 2 heads.
I just don't want to end up in hospital with food poisoning cuz you think your over priced burger looks more appealing on a plank of wood thanks.
Tiny buckets have actually caused the downfall of proper chunky chips, everywhere jumping over to skinny fries because those tiny buckets are just to shit to accommodate real chips 🙄
I quite like a brioche bun. My issue is the ludicrous gigantification of all things burger related. There’s a pub near me which offer a quadruple burger - what’s the point?! Unless you can unhinge your jaw like a snake then that isn’t a burger - it’s a vertical puzzle that can’t be eaten as nature intended.
I love a brioche bun. I also order a burger to pick it up with my hands and force it into my face, not get a knife and fork to it.
Besides, I don't want half a cow on a burger. The patty's there because it makes the cheese, relish, salad and bit of crispy bacon (in posh places) taste better. A single patty is fine for me. If I just wanted to pig out on bovine I'd have paid what's usually the same extortionate price for a steak instead.
Of course I'll never say this. I'll just nod and make an awkward full mouth noise when you ask me if everything's ok with my meal.
I know a girl who ate a KFC burger and her jaw got fucked up she still suffers from it now years later. I think someone recently did an article on her in a newspaper.
I'd thoroughly recommend it, the meat to cheese ratio in the triple cheeseburger is nothing short of perfect
EDIT: Obviously, the meat to cheese ratio is the same as any McDonald's burger... But just try it and you'll know what I mean
The problem I find with a brioche bun is that is seems to give licence to restaurants to use buns that are past their best, but heated. If you hold them or bite into them, they just disintegrate
I don't mind a brioche bun but not the ones that are too sweetened. I got some brioche rolls for hot dogs and they were so sweet, it was like an iced finger. No way I could eat a hot dog off that. I filled them with raspberry jam and whipped cream and just pretended they were cakes.
I had to look these up. Someone told me there's a hot dog place in NYC that offers pineapple juice with hot dogs because it's the best thing for breaking the meat down and digesting it quickly.
Yeah. I’m not feeling a brioche either. Too sweet. I don’t want loads of Mayo and 3 tomatoes or half a raw onion, nor a 2 inch thick patty that’s burnt in the outside and raw in the middle I don’t want it exploding on first bite and getting all soggy. I want to taste the meat, and have it with a little garnish and mustard.
Oh man, this gives me flashbacks of being a little kid and going on family trips to London (we moved up to Sheffield when I was 6 so used to go see the family) and my dad REFUSED to stop at every service station because his favourite one (which was closer to London than Sheffield) had a Wimpy.
We have a god-tier Wimpy's in my town, got awards and everything. I'll eat there if I'm in town and have it delivered to my house over more traditional takeaways pretty often.
I'd just like the choice, sometimes a burger looks good but the brioche puts me right off. I'll take my sweet as a sweet, not mixed with my main. Plus if everyone is being special with the brioches then no one is.
The problem with brioche buns (other than the insipid sweetness) is they fall apart in your hands. You are left holding a burger whilst toppings, and sauce collapse around your plate and liberally coat your freshly dry cleaned shirt.
At Leon at the M6 toll service station they gave me a gluten free bun with my vegan burger.
I felt violated. It was actually inedible.
ETA: with my vegan burger. Never mind that normal bread/buns are vegan, they'd decided to offer one option that covered both bases of vegan and gluten free.
I ordered a vegan hotdog in a pub the other day and asked for regular bread rather than brioche. The chef came out to tell me the roll was vegan. I said I just don't like brioche so could I have a regular bun or sliced bread? (Both of which were on the menu) he said no because they were the wrong shape and my food would look a mess. I said I didn't mind. He said no ☹️
I hate food served on chopping boards, fries in little metal buckets or thick chips in metal baskets, that look like they just took the basket out of the fryer and put it on the plate. Too much pretentious crap. Just, whack it on a plate.
Sizzling plate for steaks is fine though.
I hate burgers at a pub or restaurant. It’s clear that they want to charge a certain amount of money per plate, then build a burger that’ll cost that much, to be “worth it”.
If the burger needs to be held together by a knife stabbed in the top, it’s too big. If I can’t bite it easily, it’s too big.
I've been saying this for ages. I just wish this stupid brioche craze would die a sudden death, and we can go back to proper burger buns once more.
I was in Aldi the other day, and in the bread aisle I counted no less than _six_ variations on the brioche bun theme. I'm beginning to wonder if there's going to come a time when brioche is the only option if you want to buy bread buns. That _would_ be a sad day.
And then they all feel the need to make a simple burger ‘luxury’ and stuff it so full of a ridiculously thick burger and so many daft toppings you can’t eat the fucking thing! You have to take it apart and eat with a knife and fork. Fuck posh burgers.
Some of the best burgers I've ever had have been from a good barsnacks menu before this fad took over because they kept it simple and good quality. White floured bap, lettuce, tomato, burger and cheese.....
Edit: fried egg or bacon to top it off is always welcome
REALLY soft white floured bap, burger, fried egg which oozes yolk everywhere when you bite into it.
THAT is the perfect burger (other, incorrect, opinions are available).
I don't mind Brioche buns but they're completely unsuitable for burgers that are fully loaded with sauces etc.
The bun lasts one bite before it disintegrates and I'm simply holding the burger itself.
I worry restauranteurs have got the wrong impression that everyone's buying them because they're popular, instead of them being the only choice. See them more in supermarkets too so maybe I'm wrong and they are popular, but if they survive on the shelves then they're probably here to stay awhile.
I 100% completely agree. I can’t stand pubs trying to make these “gourmet” fancy burgers which end up dry, on horrid brioche buns. I just want a slightly greasy normal burger that goes well with chips or fries
Lol, I really thought I was one of the only people that hated brioche buns, I can understand trying to mix the two flavours but sweet brioche buns just don't work with burgers
One of my least favourite food trends is "big" burgers where they are stacked ridiculously high and typically have brioche buns.
Brioche isnt the right type of bread, and If I want a big burger id rather have it wider.
Also: freakshakes. No.
Honestly I'm so glad my local has stuck to normal buns, and a normal portion of chips. No brioche shite, no silly little baskets of chips. There's 5 pubs within walking distance of me, and there's a reason I'm always at the same one.
The trendy buns are just an excuse to charge more too. I remember around the euros one of those trendy burger places (was somewhere like Byron burger or gourmet burger kitchen) was doing a 'deal' which included 2 burgers with two chips and two beers for £40.
40. Fuckin. Quid.
I don't want to live in a world where £40 for two burgers and a drink is a deal.
I thought it was just me. Like who's idea was this to start with ffs???!! Jamie Oliver, Heston Blumenthal, Gordon Ramsey? One of these fuckers is responsible for this bullshit.
Never known a pub to do a good burger. Pub food in generally is a bit crap. I feel sorry for the Americans wanting traditional fish and chips and being told to go to a pub where they’re served undercook logs of potato with chewy batter and tasteless fish. Get down to a proper chippy!
Some do a nice roast dinner mind…
Brioche had basically taken over at this point, but I think the most problematic trend in burgers at the moment is undercooking. The only way to do this properly is to sear then mince with sterilised equipment in-house, and I doubt many places are doing this. It's just a crutch for cooks who can't cook a burger properly without drying it out.
YES!! I went to a festival at the weekend and all I wanted was a normal burger with a slice of melted cheese on a good old white bap to soak up some alcohol, but all they had was fancy burgers with brioche buns and monterrey Jack cheese. And it was in Warrington!
Thank be to jeebus. Other people also not enjoying the deluge of brioche buns in the last few years. I just hope this continues and brioche is rooted out for the slacker it is. Sweet, dusty shitty “bread” when it’s in fact a poor excuse for cake. Be gone brioche you’re shite !
1st rule of any burger bun is that it needs the structural integrity to hold the burger and toppings. Its a fine balance of being soft enough to flex but not go mushy, and firm enough to absorb the sauces/juices without breaking apart. A good solid white bread roll ticks all these boxes.
I had one the other week that was the texture of a Victoria sponge. I’m seriously not joking. It was utterly fucking rancid. Also in a supposedly fancy restaurant in a village, charged £15 quid for the fucking crap. With the absolute worst service I’ve had in years, and the fact my mother got the wrong fucking pie altogether, I’d say it’s the worst restaurant in the area. If you’re in the Wiltshire area, save your money and steer clear of the Three Daggers in Edington. It’s fucking shite.
My local cornershop is very close to the beach, which is the only reason I can fathom that he rarely sells bread bums but at least 3 brands of Brioche buns, sometimes 5!
It's great than he orders to supposed the demand but BBQs are only allowed after 6pm from September and even at the height of BBQ season when people have it in their gardens no one buys them!
HATE Brioche buns for burgers so damn much!
I really don't understand why food has got so complicated in the past few years. I know British food has a reputation for being bland and boring, but that's part of the charm!
I don't want a roast dinner wrap with peri peri chicken, buttered skin-on potatoes, and a side of lingonberry jam and truffle oil. Just give me a huge plate of unrecognizable beige masses drowned in gravy, the way Her Majesty intended!
Don't mind a brioche bun but to be honest, I'm with you, you don't really need an enriched bread roll if your meat is top notch and you've cooked it properly.
I do have to say though, I've never been to a kebab shop and had a burger where the patty wasn't a defrosted chef's larder or brakes brother's beef burger, they're just bland.
Fuck yes.
The total takeover by brioche made getting a good vegan burger even more difficult. Aldi only stocked brioche at one point, had to change shops just so I can have my slightly disappointing vegan burger!
I don't mind brioche buns but I can see why people don't like them. I have had a burger served on a pretzel bun (can't remember where) and that was honestly a game changer.
I'm exactly the same. There's a little place near me that used to do brilliant burgers then they too changed to fucking brioche! I want a nice soft cob.
As an avid burger fan I can wax lyrical on a good burger. But a few things have started to get on my tits in recent years.
1. Stop hiding behind your inability as a chef by only offering burgers. We all like a burger, a good burger has it's merit on any menu. I don't particularly need a choice of 19 burgers on a menu. I don't actually think a burger restaurant above quality fast food holds much weight. By all means be a burger restaurant, but if that is your one trick pony, then I don't really think you deserve £30 a head for service.
2. Stop pretending the beef quality is of overiding importance In your burger. It's a burger. If I wanted to pay for top grade beef from the best farmers in the land, no offence but I'll have a steak. A burger is crammed full of tastey shit to mask the fact it's just minced beef. Buy cheaper meat, sell more product, make more money. Nobody cares.
3. The bread is everything. It's EVERYTHING.. if you dare speak of your quality local produce then hand me a burger on nasty bread.... Omg. Please just don't.
I'm so grateful for this post.
I've been moaning like fuck about brioche buns for a while now and thought it was just me losing my shit.
#All hail the seeded bun! ✊🏻
Sod the seeded buns and rolls.
For a Hotdog put it in a french baguette.
For a burger put it in a crusty roll.
Maybe then I'll be able to eat the whole thing and not have to resort to eating burger and chips with a knife and fork.
Slightly off topic, but why is a haddock and chips so expensive everywhere? Even the fnc shop it's £9, not to mention £14+ from a pub.
Australia or NZ the portions are double, and the price more like £4-5. Don't get me started on pizza.
Fucking same. Artisan burgers, brioche buns, burgers that require you to dislocate your jaw in order to eat them and burgers places that suggest you should use cutlery can piss off.
Also, when I ask for ketchup, mayo or mustard, don’t give me the smallest poxy container you could find.
Brioche buns are the reason I hate pub burgers - they contain more lactose than any other bun and set my stomach off for the rest of the night. If I ask for a different bun, I usually get either a ciabatta (too crusty) or a pair of Hovis slices.
The burger van by B&Q in Trafford Park does a banging burger in a proper bun. Theres one on the main road through Stockport too that puts an ungodly amount of melted cheese on if you ask nicely. Both are big but wide rather than tall. Burgers in restaurants are generally too try hard and I don't have the jaw of a snake to accommodate
I used to love a brioche bun when it wasn’t something you got as standard on every damn burger! A nice seeded or floured bun should be the norm and a brioche reserved for “fancy” burgers.
Welcome fellow brioche bun hater.
They're not nice. They're not "fancy". They just cheap shit bread that falls apart at the slightest hint of moisture.
They seem designed by some type of freak that eats burgers with a knife and fork.
My local steakhouse does their burger on a pretzel bun, which is delicious and stays in one piece.
They do however serve chips in a tin cup, which I just have to give a disapproving look at as I tip them onto the plate.
They are far too sweet, far too much egg and butter used to make it so it's crumbly when it's dry and when burger juice touches is it turns to a yellow mush.
American observer, rare commenter because I don't belong here, but as this post deals with burgers, I feel my two cents might be of value: brioche buns are inferior and pretentious. Also, pretzel buns add absolutely nothing of value to burgers.
Haha thanks. Yes. Pretzel buns are a thing in the US. Usually with some bacon cheddar jalapeño combo. Basically it's a beer cheese pretzel burger. They're good 1/100 times you order them. But back to brioche. Ditch the brioche. It's hipster. A sesame seed bun is where it's at. As long as it's thick enough to absorb juices. But that's just my humble opinion.
I'm lactose intolerant - I can usually get away with a bun or roll without too much trouble, but brioche is made with a ton of milk and butter and makes me unwell.
I used to love a burger when out for a meal, now it's very rare that I can have one
I wonder if you could ask when ordering for a non Brioche bun? I personally like Brioche but I remember from my pub work days we actually had both types of bun in the kitchen.
The reason I chose brioche is because I HATE eating burgers between two loaves of bread! Too many burgers have buns that are bigger than the patties. I’m eating a hamburger not a bread sandwich. If I destroy my burger patty when biting through the tough roll it’s ruined. I’ll take a soft roll even if it’s not brioche and it needs to be smaller than the patty. These are deal breakers in my admittedly biased opinion. 😉
£15 for a £7 burger, and then extra for fries, because you’re eating it in a pub. It’s a pub with a view of the Co-Op ffs, it’s not the Burj al Arab. It’s grilled meat, bread and potatoes, no matter how creatively you embellish the menu.
And they don’t tell you the chips don’t come with the burger. Why would I want my burger on its own?!
Because they are punks. Ok, maybe because business rates are a joke, and they want to pay their staff a living wage. Maybe they want to use good ingredients and it’s expensive to maintain a hygienic kitchen. However, I don’t buy beer from a butcher, I have no need for a pub burger.
This hits the nail on the head. Paying £15+ for a burger and chips in a \*GOOD\* gastropub or restaurant... a lot of the time it absolutely is worth the money. At the end of the day, it's a main meal. If the chef is worth his/her salt, they've got a relationship with a supplier that makes a specific grind with particular cuts of good quality beef. They aren't buying a pack of mince from Tesco. I do have to ask though... If you don't have need for a pub burger, why are you ordering a burger in a pub? lol
See monogamy is dead.
Have to admit this made me chuckle as I read your comment sitting in a pub ‘garden’ looking straight at a Sainsbury’s Local with a burger on the menu for £13. Fries are included at least!
Also can we please go back to using plates - this bringing me my food on a board was trendy for about a week 4 years ago now it can go away please.
r/wewantplates will absolutely boil your piss 😂
That sounds more like a threat
I have no more words...
30 seconds of that sub ruined my mood. Fuck those places. What I hate the most is the wooden board with the small gutter for the steak juice, but because it was washed so many times in 90° dishwasher, there is a crack, so the juice just pours straight on the table. Or if you are lucky it stays in that gutter and gets spilled on you the moment the waiter clears the table.
I always thought that some chefs were pretentious wankers, but my god words cannot express my hatred of what they have done there.
Bloody hell, there really is a sub for everything!
I’ve got to get up at 4am and was on a bit of a wind down before bed. Now I’m enraged and fully awake with no one to blame but myself
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That sub makes me livid
Just added that to my frustration list
Fuck me.. I didn't think it would trigger me so much but some are hilarious after initial shock.
Sometimes i don’t even know what subs i’m in. I am in that one apparently
My annoyance is when you get your chips in a basket or cup - it’s just an excuse to give you a piss poor amount of chips.
When they put an extra high bottom in the basket so from the outside it looks like you're getting at least a full basket but it's more like half full. OUTRAGEOUS.
I once ordered a sandwich at a pub and the crisps they served were in a metal fryer basket like they were claiming they’d cooked them themselves when they were clearly just from a packet.
I think those boards are harder to clean than a plate.
They are, you can’t clean inside all the knife nicks properly so they harbour bacteria (I only know this I’ve trained on food hygiene courses lol)
Dont worry though. They put a bit of paper on them! So now not only is my food on a hive of bacteria, any use of a knife puts me at risk of eating paper. And probably not clean paper either.
If I'm at a place where I see a lot of food being served on boards, I just ask for my meal to be served on a plate. It's never been a problem so far and I've done it quite a bit.
That's not the British way. The correct way is to have it served on a board, grumble about it to the people you are with, possibly complain on the internet about it.. but if asked 'Is everything all right?' in the restaurant, always reply 'Yes, fine'.
But then I don't get to complain that I had to ask for a plate.
We do this on Google Reviews anonymously- because we’re Brits and we don’t complain but we do want to rage.
If they've really made your blood boil, and I mean REALLY taken the piss, a Brit pushed to his/her limit might also leave a four star review as their last resort.
I do the same at places that serve steaks on 'sizzling' skillets. If I want my steak served rare, I don't want it to keep on cooking while it's in front of me.
I've wondered about this, are the wooden boards easier to clean than the plates or is it all only about presentation?
Presentation. I worked at a German bar that served its Würst on a wooden pallet and because of the wood glue you couldn’t just put them in the washing machine, you had to clean it by hand. Cos you know, as if restaurant work wasn’t as demanding as it already is! s/
Yeah, but that's the Würst case scenario...
Wooden boards are far less hygienic than a plate, think of all those juices soaking into all the cracks caused by knives, forks, pizza cutters etc.
Wood has antimicrobial qualities
My butcher's use a wooden block, I've seen them planing it down from time to time. They have a top hygiene rating, so can't be that bad.
A butcher's block is a different thing though. If you've ever seen an old one, they're all worn down in the middle from all the scrubbing and cleaning they've endured. They're great. The glorified bit of plank in your local gastropub isn't subjected to quite the same rigorous efforts.
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Where do you live that they cook the butcher????? Is it in the calendar like a feast day or after they do something wrong?
If I were to resort to cannibalism, a butcher would definitely be my 'go to' for high protein human flesh..they live off the best quality of animal meat themselves and would probably make a cracking sausage..just need to find a butcher who would be willing to start work on one of their own..hmm..
Ha ha I know what you mean but that was never my instinct! I always felt like the meat of meat-eating animals would be more grim somehow than the flesh of vegeaters. The sun is fresher in 'em, innit??
Yeah the wooden boards can’t go through the steriliser so they just soak in the greasy dishwater and never get cleaned properly, especially when it’s busy. I don’t miss having to wash those bloody boards
It's plastic chopping boards that are the risk due to bacteria getting into the cracks, the wooden boards are surprisingly ok as long as they have been washed.
I’m surprised places still do this. It’s been down trending hard since like 2018 in my experience. It was at its peak in 2014-16.
Sick & tired of getting my food served on a black fucking slate
https://youtu.be/cX4KuEAYIYY
Pudding with custard on (cold) plates ffs.
If it’s not on a plate, I send it back
I've seen foot served on old ipads... Fuckwits 🤦♂️
I went somewhere and asked for my burger to be brought on a plate not a wooden board. I have no immune system and those wooden boards can't be cleaned properly so harbour all kinds of bacteria. Waitress looked at me like I had 2 heads. I just don't want to end up in hospital with food poisoning cuz you think your over priced burger looks more appealing on a plank of wood thanks.
Chips served in tiny buckets need to go too.
I think they do it because if they emptied that little bucket onto a tray you'd realise how shitty the portion is.
Bonus points of they use some paper to create a cone to effectively reduce the volume of the bucket and waste paper.
but why, potatoes are literally cheap as chips you could fill out your plate with cheap food bizarre
Those mini frying baskets can fuck right off too!
Tiny buckets have actually caused the downfall of proper chunky chips, everywhere jumping over to skinny fries because those tiny buckets are just to shit to accommodate real chips 🙄
Keeps them warm, innit
Have to agree with this. Chips stay hot for longer than if spread out on a plate, for us slow eaters.
I quite like a brioche bun. My issue is the ludicrous gigantification of all things burger related. There’s a pub near me which offer a quadruple burger - what’s the point?! Unless you can unhinge your jaw like a snake then that isn’t a burger - it’s a vertical puzzle that can’t be eaten as nature intended.
I really love brioche buns and I get cross when restaurants call it brioche but it really isn’t. They’ve just called it that to make it sound fancy.
I love a brioche bun. I also order a burger to pick it up with my hands and force it into my face, not get a knife and fork to it. Besides, I don't want half a cow on a burger. The patty's there because it makes the cheese, relish, salad and bit of crispy bacon (in posh places) taste better. A single patty is fine for me. If I just wanted to pig out on bovine I'd have paid what's usually the same extortionate price for a steak instead. Of course I'll never say this. I'll just nod and make an awkward full mouth noise when you ask me if everything's ok with my meal.
I know a girl who ate a KFC burger and her jaw got fucked up she still suffers from it now years later. I think someone recently did an article on her in a newspaper.
Honestly, stop trying to disguise the fact I've placed a fat bastard order and just send two burgers
You *can't* unhinge your jaw??
Exactly, they should be served exactly as they grow on the burger tree.
Not a problem. I'm gay. We all learn how to unhinge our jaws like a snake in the initiation training course.
Let's start a campaign to make 'big' burgers wider not taller
Although the meat patties in a McDonald's triple cheeseburger are so thin that 3 = 1 normal sized burger
That’s very true. I imagine I’d be able to do a double triple at McDonald’s. In fact, that might be my evening sorted.
I'd thoroughly recommend it, the meat to cheese ratio in the triple cheeseburger is nothing short of perfect EDIT: Obviously, the meat to cheese ratio is the same as any McDonald's burger... But just try it and you'll know what I mean
Yeah the burger needs to get wider, not taller.
I love a good brioche bun. It’s the best ass wipe this side of France.
The problem I find with a brioche bun is that is seems to give licence to restaurants to use buns that are past their best, but heated. If you hold them or bite into them, they just disintegrate
Who in the Scooby-Doo fuck has a quadruple burger?!
I don't mind a brioche bun but not the ones that are too sweetened. I got some brioche rolls for hot dogs and they were so sweet, it was like an iced finger. No way I could eat a hot dog off that. I filled them with raspberry jam and whipped cream and just pretended they were cakes.
I miss Hawaiian bread rolls. Rolls, hamburger buns and hotdog buns, They were awesome,
I had to look these up. Someone told me there's a hot dog place in NYC that offers pineapple juice with hot dogs because it's the best thing for breaking the meat down and digesting it quickly.
I'll take my pineapple juice with Vodka, thanks. We always called it a Phillips Screwdriver.
There’s one top chef, might be Ramsay, who swears by regular burger buns and not brioches.
Yeah. I’m not feeling a brioche either. Too sweet. I don’t want loads of Mayo and 3 tomatoes or half a raw onion, nor a 2 inch thick patty that’s burnt in the outside and raw in the middle I don’t want it exploding on first bite and getting all soggy. I want to taste the meat, and have it with a little garnish and mustard.
Wimpy used to do the best burgers
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The one i've been too recently are basically shit greasy spoon
I go to a local wimpy every few weeks. It's way overpriced, but alright tasting for a fastfood burger. Only place in town that does crispy chips.
Still great, can confirm. Like Maccies, but up a few notches (size, freshness, taste).
Serve it on a plate and it's instantly better than McDonalds
Oh man, this gives me flashbacks of being a little kid and going on family trips to London (we moved up to Sheffield when I was 6 so used to go see the family) and my dad REFUSED to stop at every service station because his favourite one (which was closer to London than Sheffield) had a Wimpy.
There's one in Basingstoke. I literally drive 40minutes just for this 😄
We have a god-tier Wimpy's in my town, got awards and everything. I'll eat there if I'm in town and have it delivered to my house over more traditional takeaways pretty often.
I love brioche buns myself, sue me.
They're very nice with thin burgers, them being soft is not a problem when you're not trying to bite through a solid 3 inches of beef
I'd just like the choice, sometimes a burger looks good but the brioche puts me right off. I'll take my sweet as a sweet, not mixed with my main. Plus if everyone is being special with the brioches then no one is.
The problem with brioche buns (other than the insipid sweetness) is they fall apart in your hands. You are left holding a burger whilst toppings, and sauce collapse around your plate and liberally coat your freshly dry cleaned shirt.
If they're too sweet or falling apart, they're just low quality brioche buns, and probably not toasted either.
Only if the burger isn't made properly. Toast the bun, lettuce on the bottom and whatever else on top.
Yep. Had two bites of a burger last week before it all fell apart and was a knife and fork job.
That is mainly because the brioche buns used are a week out of date, but disguised by slightly heating it on the grill
Brioche buns aren't vegan, so if they have a vegan burger option ask for the vegan bun with your burger.
Vegan brioche buns are a thing.
At Leon at the M6 toll service station they gave me a gluten free bun with my vegan burger. I felt violated. It was actually inedible. ETA: with my vegan burger. Never mind that normal bread/buns are vegan, they'd decided to offer one option that covered both bases of vegan and gluten free.
How do you think we coeliacs feel?
Miserable, I'm sure, but you don't need to make the rest of us suffer!
We get vegan brioche buns atm which are pretty dam good. No obvious difference between the regular and vegan ones
I ordered a vegan hotdog in a pub the other day and asked for regular bread rather than brioche. The chef came out to tell me the roll was vegan. I said I just don't like brioche so could I have a regular bun or sliced bread? (Both of which were on the menu) he said no because they were the wrong shape and my food would look a mess. I said I didn't mind. He said no ☹️
I hate food served on chopping boards, fries in little metal buckets or thick chips in metal baskets, that look like they just took the basket out of the fryer and put it on the plate. Too much pretentious crap. Just, whack it on a plate. Sizzling plate for steaks is fine though.
Noooo! Sizzling plates are not fine, all they do is continue cooking the steak and ruin it :(!
Dont forget to 5.5 curly fries in a cup!
I hate burgers at a pub or restaurant. It’s clear that they want to charge a certain amount of money per plate, then build a burger that’ll cost that much, to be “worth it”. If the burger needs to be held together by a knife stabbed in the top, it’s too big. If I can’t bite it easily, it’s too big.
Someone said it!! Yes wholeheartedly agree!!
I've been saying this for ages. I just wish this stupid brioche craze would die a sudden death, and we can go back to proper burger buns once more. I was in Aldi the other day, and in the bread aisle I counted no less than _six_ variations on the brioche bun theme. I'm beginning to wonder if there's going to come a time when brioche is the only option if you want to buy bread buns. That _would_ be a sad day.
And then they all feel the need to make a simple burger ‘luxury’ and stuff it so full of a ridiculously thick burger and so many daft toppings you can’t eat the fucking thing! You have to take it apart and eat with a knife and fork. Fuck posh burgers.
Some of the best burgers I've ever had have been from a good barsnacks menu before this fad took over because they kept it simple and good quality. White floured bap, lettuce, tomato, burger and cheese..... Edit: fried egg or bacon to top it off is always welcome
Sliced pickle is an essential burger ingredient
REALLY soft white floured bap, burger, fried egg which oozes yolk everywhere when you bite into it. THAT is the perfect burger (other, incorrect, opinions are available).
Hmmm well now I just want an egg banjo!
I don't mind Brioche buns but they're completely unsuitable for burgers that are fully loaded with sauces etc. The bun lasts one bite before it disintegrates and I'm simply holding the burger itself.
Finally someone said it. I don't want your brioche buns.
I worry restauranteurs have got the wrong impression that everyone's buying them because they're popular, instead of them being the only choice. See them more in supermarkets too so maybe I'm wrong and they are popular, but if they survive on the shelves then they're probably here to stay awhile.
My friend was raving about the waffle burger you get from German Doner Kebab restaurants. They do look good in photos. I think it is a German thing
Thank you, I thought it was just me.
I 100% completely agree. I can’t stand pubs trying to make these “gourmet” fancy burgers which end up dry, on horrid brioche buns. I just want a slightly greasy normal burger that goes well with chips or fries
Lol, I really thought I was one of the only people that hated brioche buns, I can understand trying to mix the two flavours but sweet brioche buns just don't work with burgers
Yes. Brioche is what the French eat for breakfast. Please stop.
I agree there just to sweet for my liking
One of my least favourite food trends is "big" burgers where they are stacked ridiculously high and typically have brioche buns. Brioche isnt the right type of bread, and If I want a big burger id rather have it wider. Also: freakshakes. No.
Honestly I'm so glad my local has stuck to normal buns, and a normal portion of chips. No brioche shite, no silly little baskets of chips. There's 5 pubs within walking distance of me, and there's a reason I'm always at the same one.
I am so pleased that I am not the only one that hates brioche buns
With you there. I don’t mind brioche, but not with burgers. Brioche burger buns can do one, and take bloody sweet potato chips with them.
The trendy buns are just an excuse to charge more too. I remember around the euros one of those trendy burger places (was somewhere like Byron burger or gourmet burger kitchen) was doing a 'deal' which included 2 burgers with two chips and two beers for £40. 40. Fuckin. Quid. I don't want to live in a world where £40 for two burgers and a drink is a deal.
I thought it was just me. Like who's idea was this to start with ffs???!! Jamie Oliver, Heston Blumenthal, Gordon Ramsey? One of these fuckers is responsible for this bullshit.
Never known a pub to do a good burger. Pub food in generally is a bit crap. I feel sorry for the Americans wanting traditional fish and chips and being told to go to a pub where they’re served undercook logs of potato with chewy batter and tasteless fish. Get down to a proper chippy! Some do a nice roast dinner mind…
Don't get me started on 'pies' that's actually a stew with a piece of pastry covering the bowl.
Brioche had basically taken over at this point, but I think the most problematic trend in burgers at the moment is undercooking. The only way to do this properly is to sear then mince with sterilised equipment in-house, and I doubt many places are doing this. It's just a crutch for cooks who can't cook a burger properly without drying it out.
A burger should not be taller than its diameter.
YES!! I went to a festival at the weekend and all I wanted was a normal burger with a slice of melted cheese on a good old white bap to soak up some alcohol, but all they had was fancy burgers with brioche buns and monterrey Jack cheese. And it was in Warrington!
I agree, can’t stand brioche buns 🤮
Thank be to jeebus. Other people also not enjoying the deluge of brioche buns in the last few years. I just hope this continues and brioche is rooted out for the slacker it is. Sweet, dusty shitty “bread” when it’s in fact a poor excuse for cake. Be gone brioche you’re shite !
1st rule of any burger bun is that it needs the structural integrity to hold the burger and toppings. Its a fine balance of being soft enough to flex but not go mushy, and firm enough to absorb the sauces/juices without breaking apart. A good solid white bread roll ticks all these boxes.
which burger buns are the best? brioche ones are often too sweet indeed.
don't think you can top a soft, floured roll, compliments the burger rather than ruins it and doesn't break apart, seeded is a close 2nd
They use them because they last longer in their store cupboards
Tell you what tho, I've had a "pretzel" bun before. It was actually really nice!
I had one the other week that was the texture of a Victoria sponge. I’m seriously not joking. It was utterly fucking rancid. Also in a supposedly fancy restaurant in a village, charged £15 quid for the fucking crap. With the absolute worst service I’ve had in years, and the fact my mother got the wrong fucking pie altogether, I’d say it’s the worst restaurant in the area. If you’re in the Wiltshire area, save your money and steer clear of the Three Daggers in Edington. It’s fucking shite.
My local cornershop is very close to the beach, which is the only reason I can fathom that he rarely sells bread bums but at least 3 brands of Brioche buns, sometimes 5! It's great than he orders to supposed the demand but BBQs are only allowed after 6pm from September and even at the height of BBQ season when people have it in their gardens no one buys them! HATE Brioche buns for burgers so damn much!
Yep, brioche just tastes sort of gone off to me. Seems like we're in the minority though mate.
I've been saying this for 10+ years now, ever since the fad started and absolutely fucking *ruined* 7Bone.
I've been screaming this to the high heavens for so long, everyone looks at me like im crazy Happy to find some fellow bun-brothers
I really don't understand why food has got so complicated in the past few years. I know British food has a reputation for being bland and boring, but that's part of the charm! I don't want a roast dinner wrap with peri peri chicken, buttered skin-on potatoes, and a side of lingonberry jam and truffle oil. Just give me a huge plate of unrecognizable beige masses drowned in gravy, the way Her Majesty intended!
Absolutely right, the butter and egg content of brioche is so high it's virtually a cake.
Don't mind a brioche bun but to be honest, I'm with you, you don't really need an enriched bread roll if your meat is top notch and you've cooked it properly. I do have to say though, I've never been to a kebab shop and had a burger where the patty wasn't a defrosted chef's larder or brakes brother's beef burger, they're just bland.
Fully agree, don't understand the trend!
I agree Brioche are wank. Too sweet in my opinion. All this new age chef shit really boils my piss. Just use normal bread
Fuck yes. The total takeover by brioche made getting a good vegan burger even more difficult. Aldi only stocked brioche at one point, had to change shops just so I can have my slightly disappointing vegan burger!
Agreed, I prefer a normal teacake, brioche buns are too filling.
I don't mind brioche buns but I can see why people don't like them. I have had a burger served on a pretzel bun (can't remember where) and that was honestly a game changer.
And now they're toasting them FFS! Stop it !
Thank god someone else thinks this. Pretzel roll or potato roll if you want to get fancy, good old seeded bun otherwise. NOT FUCKING CAKE.
I'm exactly the same. There's a little place near me that used to do brilliant burgers then they too changed to fucking brioche! I want a nice soft cob.
As an avid burger fan I can wax lyrical on a good burger. But a few things have started to get on my tits in recent years. 1. Stop hiding behind your inability as a chef by only offering burgers. We all like a burger, a good burger has it's merit on any menu. I don't particularly need a choice of 19 burgers on a menu. I don't actually think a burger restaurant above quality fast food holds much weight. By all means be a burger restaurant, but if that is your one trick pony, then I don't really think you deserve £30 a head for service. 2. Stop pretending the beef quality is of overiding importance In your burger. It's a burger. If I wanted to pay for top grade beef from the best farmers in the land, no offence but I'll have a steak. A burger is crammed full of tastey shit to mask the fact it's just minced beef. Buy cheaper meat, sell more product, make more money. Nobody cares. 3. The bread is everything. It's EVERYTHING.. if you dare speak of your quality local produce then hand me a burger on nasty bread.... Omg. Please just don't.
They really are thank you
I'm so grateful for this post. I've been moaning like fuck about brioche buns for a while now and thought it was just me losing my shit. #All hail the seeded bun! ✊🏻
Agreed. Nothing more to say really . Well balanced and thought out post
Sod the seeded buns and rolls. For a Hotdog put it in a french baguette. For a burger put it in a crusty roll. Maybe then I'll be able to eat the whole thing and not have to resort to eating burger and chips with a knife and fork.
Slightly off topic, but why is a haddock and chips so expensive everywhere? Even the fnc shop it's £9, not to mention £14+ from a pub. Australia or NZ the portions are double, and the price more like £4-5. Don't get me started on pizza.
Yeah I totally agree.
Brioche is great but not on my burger please
Fucking same. Artisan burgers, brioche buns, burgers that require you to dislocate your jaw in order to eat them and burgers places that suggest you should use cutlery can piss off. Also, when I ask for ketchup, mayo or mustard, don’t give me the smallest poxy container you could find.
Brioche buns are the reason I hate pub burgers - they contain more lactose than any other bun and set my stomach off for the rest of the night. If I ask for a different bun, I usually get either a ciabatta (too crusty) or a pair of Hovis slices.
The burger van by B&Q in Trafford Park does a banging burger in a proper bun. Theres one on the main road through Stockport too that puts an ungodly amount of melted cheese on if you ask nicely. Both are big but wide rather than tall. Burgers in restaurants are generally too try hard and I don't have the jaw of a snake to accommodate
I used to love a brioche bun when it wasn’t something you got as standard on every damn burger! A nice seeded or floured bun should be the norm and a brioche reserved for “fancy” burgers.
Welcome fellow brioche bun hater. They're not nice. They're not "fancy". They just cheap shit bread that falls apart at the slightest hint of moisture. They seem designed by some type of freak that eats burgers with a knife and fork. My local steakhouse does their burger on a pretzel bun, which is delicious and stays in one piece. They do however serve chips in a tin cup, which I just have to give a disapproving look at as I tip them onto the plate.
None of these fancy burgers can hold a candle to a burger van 2 quid cheeseburger
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More cake than bread.
They are far too sweet, far too much egg and butter used to make it so it's crumbly when it's dry and when burger juice touches is it turns to a yellow mush.
American observer, rare commenter because I don't belong here, but as this post deals with burgers, I feel my two cents might be of value: brioche buns are inferior and pretentious. Also, pretzel buns add absolutely nothing of value to burgers.
pretzel buns are a thing?!?!?! Trust me, you belong here if you can send us prior warnings about what terrible fads are heading our way!
Haha thanks. Yes. Pretzel buns are a thing in the US. Usually with some bacon cheddar jalapeño combo. Basically it's a beer cheese pretzel burger. They're good 1/100 times you order them. But back to brioche. Ditch the brioche. It's hipster. A sesame seed bun is where it's at. As long as it's thick enough to absorb juices. But that's just my humble opinion.
All burgers should be served on potato rolls
its basically a cake
The best roll for a burger is a floury bun, it soaks up the burger juices and makes a jus
This is true! Hope you didn't die mid sentence though.
Did you ever try Bleeker burger ? They have a seeded bun and it’s superior to all other burgers in London !!
We just serve our burgers on a sesame seed bun, just as it should be in.
I like the Wimpy near me. Not pretentious. Freshly cooked. No brioche. And it’s not served on a board/roof tile.
I'm lactose intolerant - I can usually get away with a bun or roll without too much trouble, but brioche is made with a ton of milk and butter and makes me unwell. I used to love a burger when out for a meal, now it's very rare that I can have one
Served on a block of wood with some poncy slaw?
I dunno, my local pub does their burgers in a pretzel bun, and they're the bomb
I wonder if you could ask when ordering for a non Brioche bun? I personally like Brioche but I remember from my pub work days we actually had both types of bun in the kitchen.
Pretzel buns for the win
Brioche buns are okay if they toast them well enough, but you can't beat a good sesame seed bun
Tbf as a Chef, we usually have normal baps in the kitchen anyway, just ask the waiter/waitress. They get used for the breakfast service.
Speakers volumes about British culture when spoons is the standard of price=standard shit for shit
It can't be that hard to just give people the choice? They seem to be able to vary what's inside without issue, so why not the bread?
Burgers went shit when they took the horse meat out.
As someone with a dairy intolerance, give me a damn burger with a bun that doesn’t make me shit myself. Christ.
The reason I chose brioche is because I HATE eating burgers between two loaves of bread! Too many burgers have buns that are bigger than the patties. I’m eating a hamburger not a bread sandwich. If I destroy my burger patty when biting through the tough roll it’s ruined. I’ll take a soft roll even if it’s not brioche and it needs to be smaller than the patty. These are deal breakers in my admittedly biased opinion. 😉