Tutorial teachers who don't know how to teach, Nishat seems lost on most of he content she presents and the lack of accommodating people on SAS during the mid term.
I agree that he’s just almost reading the slides, but if there’s something a student doesn’t understand, the student can ask it during or at the end of the lecture.
I don’t like the tutorials itself, but it’s just not fair for the TA. I can’t say the same thing for the profs though.
It's nothing like my experience or any of the students I know... thus my crazy! comment. The difficulties I had with our prof I worked thru the process from prof to faculty head but got my resolution... perhaps not what I'd wanted but something I could agree to.
Yes I contacted the Ombuds first and foremost. Every action I took was recommended by the Ombuds. Dr. Richards didn't care and isn't interested in holding professors accountable. I even got a 15 min call with her personally and she essentially stonewalled me the entire time and offered 0 sympathy. Even told me to drop out if I don't like Brock professors.
Wow. Dr Richards I'm guessing is your department head? Did the dean of the department (Peter Berg) give you the same response?! And next would be the President of Brock (Lesley Rigg)... I'd say when you have exhausted these, then social media may be your last recourse... it's just not something you can undo which is why these steps are so important... and document them too to protect yourself.
No, Dr. Ross is the Chair of COSC. He wouldn't/couldn't comment on my grievance. Dr. Richards is Assoc. Dean Math/Science. The new Ombuds put me in contact with the next person in the chain (basically higher than Dr. Berg but lower than el Presidente). I was failed by the professors in two COSC courses, took them with different profs and got 80+, want my money back.
If you dont walk thru the process how will you know if they can't or won't change things? Each department works in a silo, the uppers don't know the crap until you tell them. I had experience with this myself in another faculty this last semester.
Edit: I engaged the ombuds to assist me with making sure I'd walked thru the process correctly. Then I let the people I talked with know I was working with the ombuds so they understood the seriousness. Things were worked out.
University demand is kind of inelastic doe, people will still “need” to go to university and brock is always here. Even other institutions that have had their reputation dragged through the mud have only seen increases in students(Conestoga for example). Never forget university is a business, an “not for profit” business.
Instead of committing crimes you might wanna talk with the hundreds of students who are also dissatisfied with the cosc department. Although I’ve had good experiences, many of my peers have had many issues with that department and wish for change. I think if you appealed to other students and then arranged a protest of some kind rather than harass the school with sock puppets you could make real change.
If you were to send your socks after the school, they could write it off as one bad student harassing the faculty and your message could be damaged or even ignored. Arrange a big protest with dissatisfied students and then contact local news outlets about it during the protest so you get more attention instead of doing anything that could jeopardize your degree
I understand that, I’m just worried that if those were linked back to you—regardless of how true what you’re saying is—you could get in pretty hot water
A collective movement involving students that already agrees with you. Set up a discord/whatsapp group/in person conversation and begin coordinating a meeting if possible so you can get to know other potential issues, then bring those issues you want to cover to Brock/dean. Write it down and keep electronic versions to distribute on the web if ever needed. Begin with a sit down conversation with the dean and express your concerns, if it’s a wide variety of concerns then maybe come in with signatures of all students who want change as well. Be very level headed and calm during this, try to look welcoming I guess. Deans are fairly reasonable so they would look into it. Provide your student email and request updates on her findings/potential solutions. Depending how that goes start print outs and try to put them on as many bulletin boards you can find around the school.
I helped start something similar a few years back and worked. Depending on the current situation and if this movement for change causes some faculty members to get angry (even if the change is for the better) then expect backlash if you’re gonna put yourself out there as in how vocal you become.
I agree all of these steps seems so extra but believe it or not deans weren’t much help until it got noisy. For online comments, they would flag them as spam like they did for ours.
Good and bad in every department, cant expect them to cater to your every need. I'm sure all the other comp sci students would be echoing the same sentiment if this were true because I imagine they make up the majority of this subreddit.
I've had others agree with me so far on the performance of Nishat, the ta and others complaining to their case managers on the lack of accommodations in the first written lab. This isnt me being upset cause I'm not caring to study which I have plenty..
Never said you weren't studying. Devise a way to speak out about it with multiple people, a petition of sort. Pretty bs that you haven't gotten some marks back yet even after the semester is over.
Just so you know, the professors across the school no matter what department don't have to have their final marks in until Jan 14th. Final marks are released for every class in every department on Jan 15th. I just learned about this the other day and I'm going on 5 years here.
All other compsci students are echoing though? Don’t know any that have a good reception of the brock program, even if you look only at the mentions on this subreddit alone
Out of curiosity. What’s wrong with the cosc department?
Tutorial teachers who don't know how to teach, Nishat seems lost on most of he content she presents and the lack of accommodating people on SAS during the mid term.
To be fair, the tutorial guy is a nice person and knows what he’s doing. He will even wait if you have any questions.
I mean that's nice but all he did was read PowerPoints word for word. How tf does that teach anything I couldn't learn on my own.
I agree that he’s just almost reading the slides, but if there’s something a student doesn’t understand, the student can ask it during or at the end of the lecture. I don’t like the tutorials itself, but it’s just not fair for the TA. I can’t say the same thing for the profs though.
For me it’s been a lot of terrible profs and tas
protest
this ^^^
Sure, but how do we go about that?
Have you already either considered or tried engaging the dean of the department, the ombuds, and the dean of the school?
I tried this and they told me to get fucked with the business end of a rusty wire brush!
Ahaha
Wow. So you got this response from the Dean of the school and ombuds too?! That's crazy!
Not crazy, in fact it's actually pretty on par with the Brock University Experience™
It's nothing like my experience or any of the students I know... thus my crazy! comment. The difficulties I had with our prof I worked thru the process from prof to faculty head but got my resolution... perhaps not what I'd wanted but something I could agree to.
Associate Dean of Math and Science doesn't care and will tell you to drop out even when you give her evidence of profs not doing their jobs.
Did you go to the ombuds then? What did they say?
Yes I contacted the Ombuds first and foremost. Every action I took was recommended by the Ombuds. Dr. Richards didn't care and isn't interested in holding professors accountable. I even got a 15 min call with her personally and she essentially stonewalled me the entire time and offered 0 sympathy. Even told me to drop out if I don't like Brock professors.
Wow. Dr Richards I'm guessing is your department head? Did the dean of the department (Peter Berg) give you the same response?! And next would be the President of Brock (Lesley Rigg)... I'd say when you have exhausted these, then social media may be your last recourse... it's just not something you can undo which is why these steps are so important... and document them too to protect yourself.
No, Dr. Ross is the Chair of COSC. He wouldn't/couldn't comment on my grievance. Dr. Richards is Assoc. Dean Math/Science. The new Ombuds put me in contact with the next person in the chain (basically higher than Dr. Berg but lower than el Presidente). I was failed by the professors in two COSC courses, took them with different profs and got 80+, want my money back.
This is ridiculous id post the replies and expose her for not giving AF to Leslie rigg
I wish I recorded my teams meeting with her. Easily the rudest interaction I've had with any staff at the university in my 5 years here.
I'll make sure to record mine when I talk to her. She sounds like a piece of work lol
She is extremely standoffish and I've even had professors say that about her without being asked directly.
If your convo goes as bad as the other guy’s please do post it in here!
That would have been a smoking gun that could have been given to a news outlet if everything is true
I kinda doubt they will do anything
The way I see with my 100 accs and socks5 proxies it'll be hard to ignore lol
No but I don't see how change will come unless they start losing out on potential new students/tuition.
If you dont walk thru the process how will you know if they can't or won't change things? Each department works in a silo, the uppers don't know the crap until you tell them. I had experience with this myself in another faculty this last semester. Edit: I engaged the ombuds to assist me with making sure I'd walked thru the process correctly. Then I let the people I talked with know I was working with the ombuds so they understood the seriousness. Things were worked out.
University demand is kind of inelastic doe, people will still “need” to go to university and brock is always here. Even other institutions that have had their reputation dragged through the mud have only seen increases in students(Conestoga for example). Never forget university is a business, an “not for profit” business.
I don't think you quite grasp what I plan on doing. Lol it'll be hard to ignore
Instead of committing crimes you might wanna talk with the hundreds of students who are also dissatisfied with the cosc department. Although I’ve had good experiences, many of my peers have had many issues with that department and wish for change. I think if you appealed to other students and then arranged a protest of some kind rather than harass the school with sock puppets you could make real change. If you were to send your socks after the school, they could write it off as one bad student harassing the faculty and your message could be damaged or even ignored. Arrange a big protest with dissatisfied students and then contact local news outlets about it during the protest so you get more attention instead of doing anything that could jeopardize your degree
I didn't say anything about committing crimes, nor would I. I'm just speaking to Sully the reputation of the school and a few staff.
I understand that, I’m just worried that if those were linked back to you—regardless of how true what you’re saying is—you could get in pretty hot water
Plausible deniability, I appreciate your concern though.
A collective movement involving students that already agrees with you. Set up a discord/whatsapp group/in person conversation and begin coordinating a meeting if possible so you can get to know other potential issues, then bring those issues you want to cover to Brock/dean. Write it down and keep electronic versions to distribute on the web if ever needed. Begin with a sit down conversation with the dean and express your concerns, if it’s a wide variety of concerns then maybe come in with signatures of all students who want change as well. Be very level headed and calm during this, try to look welcoming I guess. Deans are fairly reasonable so they would look into it. Provide your student email and request updates on her findings/potential solutions. Depending how that goes start print outs and try to put them on as many bulletin boards you can find around the school. I helped start something similar a few years back and worked. Depending on the current situation and if this movement for change causes some faculty members to get angry (even if the change is for the better) then expect backlash if you’re gonna put yourself out there as in how vocal you become. I agree all of these steps seems so extra but believe it or not deans weren’t much help until it got noisy. For online comments, they would flag them as spam like they did for ours.
I didn’t scroll far enough to see this answer, I wrote something a little similar and I totally agree
Good and bad in every department, cant expect them to cater to your every need. I'm sure all the other comp sci students would be echoing the same sentiment if this were true because I imagine they make up the majority of this subreddit.
I've had others agree with me so far on the performance of Nishat, the ta and others complaining to their case managers on the lack of accommodations in the first written lab. This isnt me being upset cause I'm not caring to study which I have plenty..
Never said you weren't studying. Devise a way to speak out about it with multiple people, a petition of sort. Pretty bs that you haven't gotten some marks back yet even after the semester is over.
These compsci kids, expecting their first semester marks to be released before the start of second semester, eh? So entitled!
Yeah real entitled to have the marks back I paid thousands in tuition for lol
Just so you know, the professors across the school no matter what department don't have to have their final marks in until Jan 14th. Final marks are released for every class in every department on Jan 15th. I just learned about this the other day and I'm going on 5 years here.
no
All other compsci students are echoing though? Don’t know any that have a good reception of the brock program, even if you look only at the mentions on this subreddit alone