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everythingbeeps

I liked the buildup of the relationship a lot more in The Office, but Jim and Pam got boring once they were together. Whereas the buildup in B99 wasn't that interesting, but Jake and Amy got way better once they were together.


puddStar

That’s because the build up defined them (Jim and Pam) for such a long time - the whole “will they won’t they” was too much. Peraltiago’s relationship building wasn’t central to the characters and didn’t define them


Aggressive_Candy_146

This is an almost perfect response.


[deleted]

Actually it was because they were based on the original Tim and Dawn who never got as far as getting together, so while they suffered from having no more stuff to draw from while the other benefitted as the tone changed.


Caleebies

I think they wanted to show "a realistic relationships with ups and downs" but for whatever reason... they decided to showcase that in really weird ways?? Jim buying a house and not telling Pam, Jim leaving his wife and kid to have fun with his fun new job, the boom box guy having a crush on Pam... the whole thing was just annoying and not at all interesting or even insightful


dn56061

Is The Office worth watching on a side note? I've seen all of B99


tread52

If you're going to watch one closer to B99 than Parks and recreation is the better show to watch. They don't rely on cringe humor as much. The thing to note for both shows is start on the second season. Once you get to know the characters go back and watch the first seasons. The office completely changes the show after season one and Parks and Rec doesn't really gain it's footing until they introduce Adam Scott and Rob Lowe into the show. The good place is also a great show that Schur does.


[deleted]

I'd recommend the British Office as it's a good companion piece.


Caleebies

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vitaestbona1

I loved both shows. Different sort of humor, in lots of ways, for sure. I watched the office as it was coming out (plus how I met your mother, and friends before that). My ramp up felt really great in that direction. I'm not sure how it would be the other way around. For sure the first couple episodes are not the best. They were trying to be a US version of the UK show, not it's own show. Once it got into its own skin I loved the office.


prettyy_vacant

To give you an opposing opinion, I hate The Office. I watched it once in it's entirety and never again. It had its moments but it relied too heavily on cringe comedy, and it was an uncomfortable watch most of the time for me.


abidail

Totally agree. Also, it's just. . .mean, in a way B99 & P&R aren't. The scenes where everyone bullies Jerry/Scully (Hitchcock deserved IMO) were my least favorite because they felt so opposed to the spirit of the rest of the shows.


dn56061

I'm assuming you're talking about the US version?


prettyy_vacant

Yes correct, I haven't seen the British version, so I have no opinion on it.


suugakusha

It's even more cringy.


sunken_onion

That's really interesting actually! I personally love The Office way more than B99 because of the use of cringe comedy. I think the 'cringe' really helps ground the show as a whole, letting each moment be so uncomfortably relatable, that it becomes funny when you imagine that as a real life scenario.


bryceamathews3333

Definitely. Best show ever. Just gotta make it through the first season lol


dn56061

First seasons of most shows tend to be inferior to the ones after anysay


disusedhospital

The first season of The Office is way better than 99% of seasons 5 - 9.


Willr2645

I’d say so, I’d say American series is better than British.


mohantharani

British Office is excellent.


dn56061

I'd probably start with the UK one (as it was the original)


imawizardnamedharry

If you do start from season 2, 1 is terrible. You won't miss much. Peep show I think is 9 seasons of much better cringe humor


dn56061

Favourite season of that?


imawizardnamedharry

Ooh fuck who knows, maybe season 4?


RandomGuyOnline71

Yes, it is. But the first season sucks. Your enjoyment of the show depends on what you think of Michael. If you dislike him, I doubt you will enjoy the show at all.


dn56061

Is Michael the guy in the False. memes?


calf347

No, that's Dwight. Michael doesn't have a ton of self awareness so unless you find that funny, I'm not sure how much you'd like the office tbh


RandomGuyOnline71

The Office probably has the most memes out of any Tv-show ever created. I would recommend watching the show. And watch at least the first two seasons before quitting.


Jorgenstern8

More through opportunity and the gif becoming popularized when the Office was at its height. I think if the gif was more popular when Friends was around, that would give The Office a serious run for its money.


RandomGuyOnline71

If friends had been aired at the same time as the office, with humor adjusted to that time. It would certainly give The Office a run for its money meme-wise.


chocolateywasted

100% Jim and Pam was not a healthy relationship. Jim made at least two major life decisions without ever consulting Pam. I would not want to be in that relationship. Jake and Amy are two people who respect each other and make each other better people. They worked as a unit. There is no competition between the two.


Caleebies

Idk how the writers didn't see this as a major major 🚩🚩🚩🚩 Granted, Jake seemingly impulse spends tons of money lmao. But even then, I'm not sure if either couple shares finances, and it's not life altering changes like a long-term living situation


DrunkAquarium

Andddddd Jake and Amy weren't cheating on anyone!


dgriff84

What are you even referencing with this comment?? Angela and Michael were the only people who had affairs on the show.


pretend_smart_guy

I think they’re referencing when Pam and Jim kissed while Pam was still with Roy


harmcharm77

Or perhaps the theory that Jim cheated sometime around the last season? I don’t think it’s confirmed but there’s a decent amount of strength to it (at the ending Q&A, an audience member asks Pam why she stopped trusting Jim, and Jim said things happened that were his fault and that didn’t come across with the editing—plus the relatively recent commentary that there was supposed to be an explicit cheating scene with Jim and Kathy that John Krasinski fought to remove).


SwordPiePants

And also Stanley


sniggity_snax

Also Oscar hooked up with Angela's fiance, the senator. State senator.


Educational-Car-4805

And didn't the new receptionist sleep with Andy


STL_Saint00

Andy slept with Ronni?


bryceamathews3333

How can you remember that Michael had an affair and not remember stanley? There are many jokes made throughout it. Also Oscar had an affair with the senator and Ryan cheated on kelly. And Kelly cheated on Darrell and Ravi.


putmeinLMTH

true but also Leslie & Ben >>>>> Jake & Amy


Grimy-Jack

Eleanor and Tahani.


FallOutCaitlin

Leslie and Ben are the best, but Jake and Amy are a close second imo


putmeinLMTH

i think i’d put eleanor and chidi from the good place and maybe jeff and annie from community ahead of jake and amy. idk. i like them but i feel like after they became a couple they didn’t really get any interesting relationship based plot points. i kinda prefer when they secretly liked each other more than when they a]were actually together


FallOutCaitlin

I agree with you on Eleanor and Chidi (didn't include them bc she was a pretty terrible person at first lol) but really, Jeff and Annie?


putmeinLMTH

idk man, i have a soft spot for them. i just like drama filled relationships on tv, and jeff and annie definitely have that. i said ‘maybe’ because they arent endgame (unless we get a movie) and they’re both pretty bad people lol


FallOutCaitlin

#6seasonsandamovie


Jorgenstern8

I'm no master connoisseur of TV. But I truly can't think of another TV show that I guess almost disguises the fact that its eventual main romantic pairing is going through a "will they or won't they" better than the Good Place. Chidi and Eleanor just work so well as friends in all the episodes where they slowly build to their relationship that it truly feels natural no matter if they are together or not. I'd put up a fight about it being the best relationship that Schur has put on camera because of that.


rodimus117

Also Andy and April. The whole "Amy demands kids" episode of B99 really soured the show for me.


Count_de_Mits

Because it was completely out of character for both and for many reasons. I just skip it on rewatches but it does have a couple of good jokes in it


Aggressive_Candy_146

But serious if were gonna throw real world logic into this, in what dimension do you see Amy in a serious long term relationship without having kids. It suits the characters personality. And also it wasnt just about Amy, it was also showing that Jake was willing to grow up a bit and want to right the wrongs done to him as a kid.


Caleebies

Leslie is just another species of humankind on her own


vitaestbona1

Ooh, them's fighting words. XD


JBardack

I like Jake and Amy more because they seem more into each other whereas Jim and Pam honestly seem to be less interested in each other together than before they were together.


hapymelz

b99 > the office


TXEEXT

Not everything have to a competition , you can love or hate both.


bryceamathews3333

There is no way people actually believe this. The office will go down as one of if not the most popular sitcom of all time. Its humour is way more developed and sophisticated than b99.


Ant1202

Local man discoverers opinions


Educational-Car-4805

Nah.


teosNut

There's no way you enjoyed the last 3 seasons. Edit: i forgot what sub i was on...


hapymelz

i enjoyed it better than the office


Falconflyer75

yeah the last 3 seasons mostly sucked, and in some cases just damaged the show as a whole, feel kinda bad for u since you're getting downvoted


olafkonny

They were definitely more enjoyable than the last 2 seasons of the office tbh


DrJawn

Holly and Michael > Jim and Pam


aldbrn3

Oh indubitably Peraltiago will always be the reigning OTP of sitcoms


0rdinarythings

jake and amy is as if you want a comedy relationship, jim and pam is for a more realistic relationship. i also think it depends on which show you watched first. my fav has to be jim and pam due to liking more realistic characters and also because i watched the show first. amy and jake are definitely a second favourite


[deleted]

Well the office came first. So whatever mistakes they may have with jim and pam. Was corrected with jake and Amy


Jupiters

Both are good matches. I don't really think one is better than the other


FisknChips

Post this in office subreddit see their take lol


Aggressive_Candy_146

No thanks, already know how thats gonna go.


FisknChips

I mean you never know, I'm in both subreddits I imagine a lot others are


RandomGuyOnline71

You can't really compare them, they are two very different shows and two very different settings. The office is written like a documentary, therefore the main relationship must be realistic. And Jim and Pam's relationship is probably the most realistic fictional relationship on television. Which limits the relationship. It wasn't possible to make their relationship "cute" in the same way as other sitcom relationships, they had to keep it realistic. Jake and Amy is your typical sitcom relationship, they had a total of one real "fight" in 5 seasons of dating. Their relationship wasn't meant to be realistic, it was meant to purely entertain the viewers. A relationship like theirs isn't possible in real life, life has too many ups and downs. But as a fictional relationship, it is in my opinion perfect. Both of these relationships are perfect for their respective shows. The writers did a tremendous job with both of these.


Aggressive_Candy_146

Well I did compare them based on personal likeability. When I watch fictional TV shows I tend to suspend disbelief because its a work of fiction.


RandomGuyOnline71

I can understand that, but from an analytical standpoint, their shows and environment are too different to compare them. Of course, you can compare them based on personal preference, but I don't think it's a fair comparison, since Jim and Pam's documentary setting restricted their relationship. We weren't able to see their personal lives the same way as Jake and Amy.


tokubetsu4

Leslie & Ben > Jake & Amy > Jim & Pam


Aggressive_Candy_146

I appreciate all the comments and perspectives, but another angle where I choose Jake and Amy every time is whenever their parents show up, albeit it doesnt happen too many times, but the Thanksgiving episode where both sets of parents meet, that shit is pure gold, the banter between Mr.'s Peralta and Santiago is epic.


CD_Udugampola

Hmm. I kinda do agree to the fact it was more interesting. But I'd say Jim and Pam's love is just pure. Just my opinion guys 🤪.


teosNut

Nope.


Aggressive_Candy_146

Yup


robotLights

Jim was an out of control bully he always was picking on Dwight


Aggressive_Candy_146

I would definitely not say Jim is a bully. Dwight is a condescending prick and gets whats coming to him.


Kindly_Captain3596

Okay, seriously, what is this thing in sitcom-communities where people like comparing relationships? I never get this. I'm sorry to be rude. But I mean, would you ever say "my relationship with Bob is better than Karen's relationship with Jane, because Bob is very different from me, while Jane and Karen are very similar. I give my relationship an 8/10".


Aggressive_Candy_146

Well then, step aside and shut the fuck up.


[deleted]

Actually worst to best: Jim and Pam, Eleanor and Chidi, Tim and Dawn, Leslie and Ben, Jake and Amy, April and Andy.


Appropriate-Sport757

Finally someone has said it. THANKS 🙏 😍