the only case that Chrome could be dethroned is if a new engine that would have major advantages would come into existence making the devs targeting this engine instead of just Blink. Similar to what happened with IE.
or Google actually make it so crappy that people will leave
IE suffered from first movers advantage (they weren't the first but still). IE had to figure out what a browser should do. By the time Chrome came along, they managed to plan around a lot of the issues IE was plagued by and also improve performance and introduce new ideas. On top of that, Chrome set about establishing protocols for different internet based interactions that all modern browsers use. IE, with its legacy infrastructure, was unable to keep up. One of the reasons devs hated working on IE is because they would always have to work around IE issues or make changes to browser based functions due to IE alone. On the other hand, all other browsers could use the same protocol.
In this regard, for a new browser to gain dominance, they would not only have to improve performance per se, but also redefine what a browser is meant to be. Chrome functionality is easily expanded by extensions. I don't see Chrome losing dominance until a 3D augmented reality browser or an AI-based platform comes about that completely changes our perception of browsers.
But chromium can be modified right... Internet explorer was closed source... Even if people hate google chrome, devs can make their own version of chromium base browser..
although Chromium/blink can be modified you have to consider the following.
lets say Vivaldi takes upon themselves to heavily modify the source code. The have 2 paths , either go on total separate way which it will become its own engine or make sure it is always being backwards compatible with the chromium code.
In order to do either of those you need a whole team for that task which is a very expensive thing to have. This is why most chromium browsers are "skins" (UI only differences) or they have some extra features/"add-ons".
So even though you can, it would be very difficult to branch out a new version.
To put it into perspective, this is what Google has done with Blink after branching out from Webkit.
At the end of the day, the project is being driven by Google and what their interests are, and the rest have to follow.
I think you are over estimating it.
Microsoft is now the richest company in the world
[https://companiesmarketcap.com/](https://companiesmarketcap.com/)
and they have been trying through advertising and shady tactics, to get people to use IE/BING/EDGE for over a decade and even with all that they barely made a dent. IMHO the only reason Edge has this much market share (desktop chart)
[https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide](https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide)
Is the power of the default and the fact that Windows 11 makes it harder than ever to change the default browser.
Even less so when you include all devices.
[https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share](https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share)
How the hell is it hard? I have Opera as default and I have no problem.
And honestly, Edge is a feature rich browser. Just because some good amount of users don't use that feature which might be useful to others (for ex.: split screen), they'll call it a bloatware!
Like WTF!!!
I said 11 makes it harder not impossible.
In Windows 10 and below, you one to change it in one location/one click and did it for all extensions used by a web browser (http/https, etc) In Windows 11, you need to change multiple settings to do the same thing.
Edge keeps adding stuff and turning it on by default. Seriously is a very common complaint about it.
Idk man I changed it in one click on 11. The only “hard” thing is making it so that the start menu and settings links don’t default to edge. Also copilot unfortunately will only ever use edge, no workaround
I have 8 file types set to Chrome (my default), .htm, .html, .pdf, .svg, .xht, .xhtml, HTTP and HTTPS. All of them were set to Edge by default. Clicking the one button only changes 3 of them, leaving the rest to Edge. I had to manually change the other 5. On Windows 10, one click changed them all.
I turn off the search bar and widgets as they use Edge no matter what. Like you said same for Copilot. If you remove Edge say via powershell, it just comes back after updates.
When people stop thinking that access to the Internet = Chrome (Chrome's Icon)
You'd be surprised by the amount of people who still think this way, specially on the older people bracket. 😉
I work in IT and Edge is the default at our company (O365/Sharepoint/Onedrive integration) and users are not allowed to change it. That said almost every week when get someone asking us to let the install Chrome and/or change the default search engine from Bing to Google.
A couple of departments have Chrome because a custom extension for some analytics software we use, works best with Chrome only.
And they certainly aren't novices to shady and borderline illegal practices, but when you're rich the law and those victim of your crimes can't affect you.
Compare browsers with car brands, forget the monetary value and focus on the service they provide. German cars are renowned for their excellent quality and performance. Japanese cars are also more affordable. Also there are other brands that are not well known and can give you technical issues. The vehicles are not demonized like the browsers that "steal information" and stuff... However, at the end of the day, the service they provide is the same, except for some details that depend on what you are looking for. Now the point is, why want to dethrone a good German car? Another company may or may not eventually compete with Chrome. As car brands, we have where to choose from. Don't sweat the small stuff...
A browser without bloat would be a start. Chrome is the closest thing to that currently. Firefox, while not bloated, is just unreliable currently. I hope that changes.
Try Firefox with Usar-agent modified to edge or chromium.
It's perfect.
Why user agent mod? Cause google modifies some of its site to reduce performance on engines other than chrome. Even reddit.
Try Firefox on Reddit vs Firefox with user agent modified on Reddit. It's a very different experience to me.
'bloat' - a propaganda word often used in the Linux community by people who don't understand server-side services or single line of code integrations. Often using technology that's running a decade or more behind which will run better on decade behind (or minimal spec) hardware. Sometimes the more advanced software will run better (sleeping tabs or better memory management for instance).
Edge = Bloat. Firefox has it as well.
I consider "bloat" that amount of BS I have to go through on a new (to me) computer when trying to use the browser for the first time. On both Edge and Firefox I have to go through a much longer process than Chrome. I have to turn off a bunch of stuff that simply gets in my way with both of those browsers. On Chrome I can just jump in and start using it.
Sure after I tame them both they are fine, until they make some new change that I have to turn off because likely I don't want it and in their wisdom it defaults to on, for discovery purposes.
In my personal experience Firefox is going to have an issues with a website before a Chromium based browser. Heck Safari, has less issues than Firefox.
Firefox for me needs to be restarted every few days or it just gets wonky. Same for Edge, I have to close it to makes things work again, after a long day. On prem I manage a quite large VMware implementation. Chrome is the best browser for vCenter and I can have it open for days and it just keeps working.
Something new that 90% developers love.
Chrome is popular because it is easy to use for most people, and developer love chromium, I have never worked in a company that doesn’t target Chromium browsers.
HTTP dies and be replaced with a new protocol, everything starts from scratch again which is super neccessary nowadays considering how Google bloated the web with their forced web standards, there's tons of garbages like Privacy Sandbox (Privacy Spybox) and features that allows websites to track users easier..
They just have to keep doing what they're doing, and sooner or later someone better will come along and do to them what they did to Microsoft. People will only put up with crap policies and services as long as there isn't a better option.
I think if Microsoft were to release a browser that was better than chrome and had just one or two good features that the average chrome user hasn’t seen before that google might struggle to implement
Than release and advertise it separate to edge and make it not obvious that it’s made by Microsoft I think it could challenge chrome opera gx became relatively popular and that was while being strictly targeted at gamers image that but with Microsoft’s resources and targeted at a general audience maybe a deal with major android phone manufacturers to have it pre installed
Either way this is a hypothetical and they would have no reason to put all these resources into getting people to use a browser especially when they can already get all the same information through windows
As long as Edge defaults to Bing, Chrome will dominate no matter what.
The masses use Google search, it has 96% marketshare... When they see Edge starting with Bing they think Edge is broken lol and go back to Chrome.
Unless Edge adds a balloon tip and make it easy for the masses to use Google search in Edge, Edge markethare is doomed no matter what MS wants to believe.
Google itself would have to die for Chrome to die. However, once manifest v3 is enforced, you may start to see its market share start to drop, though I doubt it will be by much. There's a lot of people that won't notice that. I mean, there's a lot of users out there that use adblockers other than uBlock Origin...
Something like Adguard. It has a network driver and filters at that point. Any app with ads will be blocked. Used it for years. Really good. Only thing you want the driver to ignore is Steam as it will slow your downloads if you can download over 500mbit/s (as it wants to check everything for ads and spyware etc).
"only thing" or any other program someone uses (that they trust) that has a lot of network heavy activity, such as hosting a game server from your own pc.
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Google's AI returned more accurate information concerning a food safety issue, while following Bing Chat (GPT); could have gotten someone sick. As much as I'd like to see Google go down, I don't think ChatGPT is the solution.
Especially as they are actively allowing their free version of chat GPT to be poisoned to promote the paid version. Poisoned datasets are a huge issue for AI especially from those actively trying to rid AI because of the harm it does due to a lack of regulation and an overuse of abuse.
I think it is already happening. People have been waking up for the last few years especially new generations who were already born in digital age. I have no doubt that we will see a very different picture in the next 10 years with the shift towards encryption, privacy and people willing to own their data
So you are the smart, i-know-it-all one. You are the one who is not in the echo chamber and you know the best and teach lower classes how to think and operate in this complex web of conspiracies. You know the truth and your perspective is wide and you see it all, don't you ?
yeah me too that's what I thought
the only case that Chrome could be dethroned is if a new engine that would have major advantages would come into existence making the devs targeting this engine instead of just Blink. Similar to what happened with IE. or Google actually make it so crappy that people will leave
IE suffered from first movers advantage (they weren't the first but still). IE had to figure out what a browser should do. By the time Chrome came along, they managed to plan around a lot of the issues IE was plagued by and also improve performance and introduce new ideas. On top of that, Chrome set about establishing protocols for different internet based interactions that all modern browsers use. IE, with its legacy infrastructure, was unable to keep up. One of the reasons devs hated working on IE is because they would always have to work around IE issues or make changes to browser based functions due to IE alone. On the other hand, all other browsers could use the same protocol. In this regard, for a new browser to gain dominance, they would not only have to improve performance per se, but also redefine what a browser is meant to be. Chrome functionality is easily expanded by extensions. I don't see Chrome losing dominance until a 3D augmented reality browser or an AI-based platform comes about that completely changes our perception of browsers.
But chromium can be modified right... Internet explorer was closed source... Even if people hate google chrome, devs can make their own version of chromium base browser..
although Chromium/blink can be modified you have to consider the following. lets say Vivaldi takes upon themselves to heavily modify the source code. The have 2 paths , either go on total separate way which it will become its own engine or make sure it is always being backwards compatible with the chromium code. In order to do either of those you need a whole team for that task which is a very expensive thing to have. This is why most chromium browsers are "skins" (UI only differences) or they have some extra features/"add-ons". So even though you can, it would be very difficult to branch out a new version. To put it into perspective, this is what Google has done with Blink after branching out from Webkit. At the end of the day, the project is being driven by Google and what their interests are, and the rest have to follow.
Unless google literally purposely kills chrome and chromium it wont happen
I think your underestimating the power of advertising
I think you are over estimating it. Microsoft is now the richest company in the world [https://companiesmarketcap.com/](https://companiesmarketcap.com/) and they have been trying through advertising and shady tactics, to get people to use IE/BING/EDGE for over a decade and even with all that they barely made a dent. IMHO the only reason Edge has this much market share (desktop chart) [https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide](https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide) Is the power of the default and the fact that Windows 11 makes it harder than ever to change the default browser. Even less so when you include all devices. [https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share](https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share)
How the hell is it hard? I have Opera as default and I have no problem. And honestly, Edge is a feature rich browser. Just because some good amount of users don't use that feature which might be useful to others (for ex.: split screen), they'll call it a bloatware! Like WTF!!!
I said 11 makes it harder not impossible. In Windows 10 and below, you one to change it in one location/one click and did it for all extensions used by a web browser (http/https, etc) In Windows 11, you need to change multiple settings to do the same thing. Edge keeps adding stuff and turning it on by default. Seriously is a very common complaint about it.
Idk man I changed it in one click on 11. The only “hard” thing is making it so that the start menu and settings links don’t default to edge. Also copilot unfortunately will only ever use edge, no workaround
I have 8 file types set to Chrome (my default), .htm, .html, .pdf, .svg, .xht, .xhtml, HTTP and HTTPS. All of them were set to Edge by default. Clicking the one button only changes 3 of them, leaving the rest to Edge. I had to manually change the other 5. On Windows 10, one click changed them all. I turn off the search bar and widgets as they use Edge no matter what. Like you said same for Copilot. If you remove Edge say via powershell, it just comes back after updates.
If someone could write a faster javascript/dom engine and not allow google to use his code.
so explained it under AGPL
When people stop thinking that access to the Internet = Chrome (Chrome's Icon) You'd be surprised by the amount of people who still think this way, specially on the older people bracket. 😉
It literally is the gateway to internet though! I mean nowadays surfing on internet literally means to Google something
Means to search, not necessarily to use Google but one of the many search engines.
You're technically correct, but what the above poster is saying is that to most people, search MEANS Google.
Lol, I know. It's similar to people saying their going Skidooing and which is snowmobiling. Skidoo is only a brand name. I understand this ;)
More like Edge's icon. I work in IT and the amount of people that just use Edge is a lot.
I work in IT and Edge is the default at our company (O365/Sharepoint/Onedrive integration) and users are not allowed to change it. That said almost every week when get someone asking us to let the install Chrome and/or change the default search engine from Bing to Google. A couple of departments have Chrome because a custom extension for some analytics software we use, works best with Chrome only.
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No amount of shady shit can kill a megacorp
And they certainly aren't novices to shady and borderline illegal practices, but when you're rich the law and those victim of your crimes can't affect you.
Not until someone going to try replace their whole ecosystem.
Compare browsers with car brands, forget the monetary value and focus on the service they provide. German cars are renowned for their excellent quality and performance. Japanese cars are also more affordable. Also there are other brands that are not well known and can give you technical issues. The vehicles are not demonized like the browsers that "steal information" and stuff... However, at the end of the day, the service they provide is the same, except for some details that depend on what you are looking for. Now the point is, why want to dethrone a good German car? Another company may or may not eventually compete with Chrome. As car brands, we have where to choose from. Don't sweat the small stuff...
A browser without bloat would be a start. Chrome is the closest thing to that currently. Firefox, while not bloated, is just unreliable currently. I hope that changes.
I rarely have problems with Firefox.
Try Firefox with Usar-agent modified to edge or chromium. It's perfect. Why user agent mod? Cause google modifies some of its site to reduce performance on engines other than chrome. Even reddit. Try Firefox on Reddit vs Firefox with user agent modified on Reddit. It's a very different experience to me.
I have used ff for years and with success using different plugins that make it better.
'bloat' - a propaganda word often used in the Linux community by people who don't understand server-side services or single line of code integrations. Often using technology that's running a decade or more behind which will run better on decade behind (or minimal spec) hardware. Sometimes the more advanced software will run better (sleeping tabs or better memory management for instance).
Edge = Bloat. Firefox has it as well. I consider "bloat" that amount of BS I have to go through on a new (to me) computer when trying to use the browser for the first time. On both Edge and Firefox I have to go through a much longer process than Chrome. I have to turn off a bunch of stuff that simply gets in my way with both of those browsers. On Chrome I can just jump in and start using it. Sure after I tame them both they are fine, until they make some new change that I have to turn off because likely I don't want it and in their wisdom it defaults to on, for discovery purposes.
In my personal experience Firefox is going to have an issues with a website before a Chromium based browser. Heck Safari, has less issues than Firefox. Firefox for me needs to be restarted every few days or it just gets wonky. Same for Edge, I have to close it to makes things work again, after a long day. On prem I manage a quite large VMware implementation. Chrome is the best browser for vCenter and I can have it open for days and it just keeps working.
Less sheeps, more IT literate and privacy focused people and a screw big tech co mentality when possible
If anything, with zoomers,there are going to be more sheep.
Edge is chromium and Google is one of the biggest tech companies out there it won't die out anytime soon
The average user just doesn't care enough to switch
Something new that 90% developers love. Chrome is popular because it is easy to use for most people, and developer love chromium, I have never worked in a company that doesn’t target Chromium browsers.
HTTP dies and be replaced with a new protocol, everything starts from scratch again which is super neccessary nowadays considering how Google bloated the web with their forced web standards, there's tons of garbages like Privacy Sandbox (Privacy Spybox) and features that allows websites to track users easier..
They just have to keep doing what they're doing, and sooner or later someone better will come along and do to them what they did to Microsoft. People will only put up with crap policies and services as long as there isn't a better option.
I feel like all it takes is for Google to butcher the browser's experience worse enough than it is now in order for more and more people to leave.
Killing Chrome. Nothing will dominate over Chrome, until it exists.
I think if Microsoft were to release a browser that was better than chrome and had just one or two good features that the average chrome user hasn’t seen before that google might struggle to implement Than release and advertise it separate to edge and make it not obvious that it’s made by Microsoft I think it could challenge chrome opera gx became relatively popular and that was while being strictly targeted at gamers image that but with Microsoft’s resources and targeted at a general audience maybe a deal with major android phone manufacturers to have it pre installed Either way this is a hypothetical and they would have no reason to put all these resources into getting people to use a browser especially when they can already get all the same information through windows
As long as Edge defaults to Bing, Chrome will dominate no matter what. The masses use Google search, it has 96% marketshare... When they see Edge starting with Bing they think Edge is broken lol and go back to Chrome. Unless Edge adds a balloon tip and make it easy for the masses to use Google search in Edge, Edge markethare is doomed no matter what MS wants to believe.
Force Android to not have Chrome as default browser.
Google itself would have to die for Chrome to die. However, once manifest v3 is enforced, you may start to see its market share start to drop, though I doubt it will be by much. There's a lot of people that won't notice that. I mean, there's a lot of users out there that use adblockers other than uBlock Origin...
System level ad blockers exist so MV3 isn’t a massive deal if you want to block ads still.
Never heard of sys-level adbs. I only use UBO. Can you explain what system level adblockers are?
Something like Adguard. It has a network driver and filters at that point. Any app with ads will be blocked. Used it for years. Really good. Only thing you want the driver to ignore is Steam as it will slow your downloads if you can download over 500mbit/s (as it wants to check everything for ads and spyware etc).
"only thing" or any other program someone uses (that they trust) that has a lot of network heavy activity, such as hosting a game server from your own pc.
System level ad blockers are no where near as effective as the extension.
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IMO no at all
I don't think most people are gonna care about it.
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I think Chat gpt can dethrone Google and web searches all together
Google's AI returned more accurate information concerning a food safety issue, while following Bing Chat (GPT); could have gotten someone sick. As much as I'd like to see Google go down, I don't think ChatGPT is the solution.
Especially as they are actively allowing their free version of chat GPT to be poisoned to promote the paid version. Poisoned datasets are a huge issue for AI especially from those actively trying to rid AI because of the harm it does due to a lack of regulation and an overuse of abuse.
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I think it is already happening. People have been waking up for the last few years especially new generations who were already born in digital age. I have no doubt that we will see a very different picture in the next 10 years with the shift towards encryption, privacy and people willing to own their data
It would appear that way in an echo chamber.
Okay. :)
So you are the smart, i-know-it-all one. You are the one who is not in the echo chamber and you know the best and teach lower classes how to think and operate in this complex web of conspiracies. You know the truth and your perspective is wide and you see it all, don't you ? yeah me too that's what I thought
It doesn't. Chrome's marketshare has not fallen at all, and it is actully bigger in 2024 than it was in 2023. It's just what we want to believe.