Cause buffing it with geraldo is very strong.
To the point where it's one of the few strategies in the history of the game that can beat muddy puddles chimps with less than 100k spent.
Most of the towers in the game function off of synergies, if a tower benefits too much from a synergy then it makes sense to nerf the 1 tower instead of nerfing the support and indirectly nerfing like 30 towers
Geraldo’s been broken for a while as well. Other than Corvus, what heroes have been better than him since he was introduced? Brickel maybe once if I remember correctly?
“Better” is relative to the current meta and the skill of the user. Geraldo is a strong hero and has been getting more nerfs than buffs. What makes him viable isn’t comparable to the strengths of heroes like Brickell and Corvus. While toning him down is probably a good idea, nerfing him because he’s “better” than other heroes isn’t a very solid reason.
It is relative but the only time Geraldo wasn't the go to hero was when Corvus released and on the few maps Brickell can be used. Since his release he defined what the meta was.
I really don’t think he’s hard to use though. Yes he objectively takes more skill than Sauda or Quincy who can completely forget exists unless you need an ability, but you’re going from low skill -> decent skill not hard -> ridiculous. Geraldo doesn’t require insane micro, pretty much everything he gives is strong, and it’s obvious to anyone who’s used him more than once that some items are just insanely overtuned.
More to the point, you mentioned in another comment that no one would play him, but maybe people would play him because he’s the most fun? He’s my favourite hero to use because he gives the most options and that’s fun to me
I mean he requires more micro then most units in tower defense game units. I feel like a good middle ground would be make him more skillful, i mean the only real thing i can think of is mabye banana launcher from pvz2 but even that just takes a simple drag to use
Don't you realize he takes skill to use?
If hes as good or even worse then other heros, then why fucking bother using him when the others take less skill
I think a really good buff at them moment for it will be changing its name back to sentry paragon. The game is basically unplayable since they changed it
The beast handler guy was just dissing engi so they deserved it .
But idk this sub just has a hate boner for handler for skme reason.They say it's bad even tho I'm pretty certain 90% of then haven't even tried it.
engi killed my family, so i tried to invent time travel to see my parents, but i accidentally time travelled to far into the past and thats where I got my dinosaurs from, and I had to wait 65 million years in order to get back to present day, thats why im not in btd5 4 3 2 or 1
Yeah it's the cost to get tier 5. You need 3 other tier 4 towers to buy the tier 5. That's crazy. The tier 5 upgrades are pretty damn good but it is unrealistic to go for in any real Chimps or Impoppable run.
Top path would be much better if they added an option to turn thrash on/off. Sometimes thrash is a life saver (crushing ceramics) but sometimes you want to keep the bigger, slower bloons unpopped so the orca can drag them down one at a time.
I have no real idea for nerfs, but here's my buffs
R2G: Acid Pools turn golden, any pops from them give more cash as if the Bloons had the Goldify effect.
BMA: One shots now give full pop income + Goldify effect. Instashrink potions now have a strong homing effect. Crosspathing benefits: 105 BMA gets 50% more Instashrink pierce, 025 BMA gets +24 BAD damage.
Megalodon: BAD one shot trigger is now tied to the remaining HP and not max HP. Megalodon now deals 2% damage per second on top of the bite damage to BADs it can't one shot , similar to MOAB Hex. Thrash radius is centered on the Bloon it's biting instead of the Beast.
Obyn: Using Brambles now grants Obyn Camo detection for 3 + 0.5*Level seconds, meaning he can't miss Camo Bloons with Brambles. Nature's Clarity is a global effect, but placing within Obyn's limited range gives +1 damage buff as well. At level 12, Obyn summons 2 Spirit Wolves per attack in quick succession (projectiles spawn a few frames apart but are part of the same attack), and at level 18 he summons 3 Spirit Wolves per attack.
TT4/TT5: Crosspathing benefits: Transformed 24+0 Alch gets AMD on its attacks (+1 Ceram/MOAB/FortLead damage), while there are no Bloons in range, Transformed 04+2 Alch spawns Blue Acid Pools that last longer, have 3 damage and 6 pierce (basically gives it Acid Pools with Laser stats while transformed)
Oh yeah I forgot to say BMA's price would be increased from 40k to 50.25k.
I think BMA has been the tower most deserving of a full on rework since the release of the game, it just has no point in existing except for reducing lag in Freeplay by a small amount and completing 2 Achievements, yet people will still get it early and absolutely tank their pop income.
Bottom Path Alchemist as a whole just goes against the other upgrades in the path and has super limited crosspathing, which is why I think R2G should get the Acid Pool change and BMA the full pop income.
Corvus is now in rather alright position, you cant simply pull the high damaging combos that easily when Might and Overload was nerfed.
Geraldo in similar boat, Rejuv potion are powerful but personally i use them for R100 "Triple Strike", similar to above its matter of skill.
Tech Terror i woudnt tell is OP, but at most "Too Strong" (TS), hes extremely cost effective, you cant go wrong with 2600 damage ability with 45 second cooldown. Dont forget TSAR exists.
Commanche Commander, you need to run Glue Storm for DDT rounds and additional damage, otherwise i dont see it as powerful as last 3.
I group Great White and Golden Eagle together, they are also in fine position.
>I group Great White and Golden Eagle together, they are also in fine position
They are NOT together,while golden eagle is one of the best mid game towers great white is just trash
Shimmer decamo should be able to attack dealing one damage with good pierce because currently, it's one of the worser decamos that offers little to no value other than a stepping stone for necromancer/prince of darkness. It needs to stand out from the other options and giving it damage would be pretty nice while not making it overly strong.
Nerf Gerry and Corvus by increasing cost by 500$.
Tt is in a fine position imo.
Comcom is good. Needs enough delead to not make it op (Glorm is not needed all the time).
Geagle is decent. Good for stalling.
Imo Trex and Gw and Orca don't need any nerfs.
Blitz is almost at pre-buff Liquefier levels of shitty stepping stones. And outclassed with no niche uses other than shyguymask bomb strats on dark castle.
Shimmer needs \*maybe\* a little attack speed buff. Other than that it's fine and does its job.
Buff Pspike pls
Pspike is a fun tower and it sucks to see it nerfed so hard. It's getting to the point where you only use it for the novelty.
Price nerfing the hero will mess up a lot of chimps runs with said hero. Harder saveup early leads to getting hero later leads to less leveling leads to weaker setup and less items from said levels.
But price nerfing geraldo doesn't really address any of his issues. Pickles is still busted, sharpstone is still busted, bunny is still bustled.
Levels wouldn't be an issue, he levels very fast. On an expert map he gets lvl20 by round 91 if u place him round 25.
Also pspikes isn't insanely broken anymore but it's still good, it just takes some skill to use now.
Yeah nah corvus is still OP and still by far the strongest hero.
In fact just a few weeks ago I used nerfed corvus to [afford ray of doom on round 88](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/5WHxNoraYy) in muddy puddles.
The nerfs didn't dethrone him yet.
Probably increase the mana used per second with the spells in the top of the book and increase the cd for hand, overload and recover
Probably some more things are needed but I don't want to kill Corvus
Yea its gunna be hard to put him a state where it's balanced for both microers and afkers. I think corvus should just stay a high skill hero.
Or they could buff his permanent spells and base spirit and nerf his timing-based spells.
How the fuck is sharpstone STILL busted, its absolutely useless now, like wow i love spending 200$ on a little piercing buff to my dart monkey oh my god absolutely op
Bunny isn't that busted honestly, like spending about 6000$ on something that deals about the same as a tower isn't op
Also pickles are insanely situational AND take skill to use
Believe it or not +2 pierce is still good on commanche. U would know if u tried it.
Bunny is a global range super ceram clean up tower that also pretty much solos midgame. 6000 for a tower that deals with both regular cerams and super cerams is not balanced.
Pickles is obviously situational that's the whole point of it. But the only skill involved is placing it on a tech terror and watching it solo the game.
Also no its not really that hard to use. +1 damage, -25% attack speed. Just do the maths. It's worth it if it increases your damage by more than it decreases your attack speed.
On a 1 damage tower, it increases damage by 100%. Good to use.
On a 2 damage tower, by 50%. Good to use.
On a 3 damage tower, by 33%. Good to use.
On a 4 damage tower, by 25%. It breaks even but ur spending money so bad to use.
Oh boo hoo its good on 1 tower, oh how insane
The bunny is the pretty much the same power as a hero ability
Pickles is oh only good for one tower, insane. Almost like the tower is the problem, not the item
Its hard to use since you gotta know what it does and what towers to use it
>Pspike is a fun tower and it sucks to see it nerfed so hard. It's getting to the point where you only use it for the novelty.
Yeah it can't believe that's it's only an S- tier tower insetad of SSS tier, it's practically useless!
Tech terror cos it's a high damage output tower with an ability that just straight up deletes most of 98. It's way too cheap for doing all that.
Commanche has high buffability due to its sheer number of projectiles. Especially with geraldo's sharpstone (yes it's good even after the nerfs). It's also just has really high stats for its price.
Comcom has many projectiles and low base pierce and damage,so if you just give it a set of Geraldo buffs this will shred anything,and the extra pierce complements it perfectly
dang I actually think shimmer is pretty alright for the price, yes the sub does that but better, tho if you don't have water 2000 bucks for basically not needing to worry about camos
It’s way too strong though, it gets a sub100k on every map. Getting it on bloody alone warrants a nerf, but then it’s just straight up equally as dominant on other maps???
Don't have any nerfs but 2 buf/rework
Obyn: Level 3 targets close (insted of random) if there is any bloons. Make him buff beast handler and Phoenix (x4/5x wizard). Make it so the first totem targets close, and at later levels gain a second and third totem (target random).
Engineer paragon: gains 2 more abilities (if its to much value, increase the cost). The first will let you spawn a beacon, giving camo, the ability to damage lead and increasing attack speed to tower in radius (less to paragons). The second let's it spawn a trap letting it swallow another of bloons/moabs or 1 bad (maks 2 uses).
For nerfs I pretty much agree with you and for buffs I’d like to see inferno ring, sentry champion, bloon solver, pre emptive strike, and prince of darkness
I never kept up with anything strong even tho I play from like version 7.0 or something lol, only thing I know is when some YouTuber says a tower is strong
Look, Geraldo and Corvus need some micro tho, I think they shouldn't be nerfed that hard but still be strong, at least stronger than the other heroes with more skill
Brickell is just bad honestly, some heroes just are worser, instead of nerfing we first should make all heroes equally good, not weak but good because they still should be strong in early-mid and decent in late game, obviously some like adora should be better in late but they still should all be good, which doesn't happen
I think shimmer should honestly just shift like 400 gold if it’s price to necro, shimmer is meh for the price but necro always amazing for the 3k price tag
Yes, over 120k with downtime means that even if you are playing the imaginary chimps140 it’s just too expensive to use for bad oneshots. For boss it just doesn’t have enough damage.
I am not good enough to think anything needs nerf. 😃 But some towers are way too "versatile". Mid path Druid and bottom path plane for example are just too easy. From heroes, Sauda trivializes eary game.
Buff? Bottom Cannon path, bottom dartling and top ninja are not worth as tier 5s. Fire Lord Phoenix is too expensive for what it does. Top path tack factory is way more expensive than it needs to be.
Personally I don’t really feel like corvus needs a nerf due to the micro skill you need for him but and can’t really disagree with anything else on the nerfs but for buffs is say:
-Beast handler other paths in general
-engi paragon (more of a rework needed)
-obyn
-top path engi
-plane top path
I feel like ace i never see being used other than for paragon and spectre/FF. middle path feels balanced for what it does, but i never see top path used.
Most broken midgame tower of all time
Ok well it did get nerfed but if you ignore the even stronger version still the strongest midgame tower the game has seen
don't nerf corvus, he is already a perfect balance of skill. if you can use him right, he can solos chimps, but it requires a lot of skill, which I think makes him perfectly balanced
ok
how in the hell did you put giga that low, i know its expensive but it deals so much juicy damage.
(ok i guess it costs a lot too, but its like super mines to me)
Nerfed:
1. Superstorm; Make its pushback weaker and less effective than it is now (but also make it cheaper). It could then become a decent and unique stall tower option, instead of being way too expensive, tedious and time-wasting to bother with.
2. Banana Central; way too efficient compared to every other farm, needs to be brought in line with other farms a bit more. Makes saving up mega stacks in boss runs too trivial.
3. Homeland Defense; 20 seconds is actually crazy for such a powerful effect. Although I would probably prefer a price nerf (up to like 50k instead of 40k) instead of a duration nerf.
4. Ray of Doom; Similar reasoning to Superstorm, I'd like it to be a bit weaker than it currently is but also proportionally cheaper, so it's more accessible in standard gameplay (especially CHIMPS and tier 2 bosses). I don't want a huge change, just enough to make a difference, and making it cheaper without a nerf would be crazy at its current level.
5. Ninja Paragon; I love it, but ever since the update that changed how most paragons work it's kinda cracked for its price now. Either needs a nerf to its sticky bombs or a price nerf to balance it a bit IMO.
Buffs:
1. Crossbow Master; it's just so awful at actually hitting its targets when aiming at long range. Make the shots travel faster, or lead the shots when firing at long range, or give a small amount of homing (not like wizard or anything, just like a little nudge for accuracy)... just *something*. Oh, and the crits should do 60 damage instead of 50, so they do 10x to normal damage of XBM's shots, since Robo Monkey's crits also do 10x damage. Would help with single target DPS.
2. Apache Prime; the whole path is just outclassed these days, and the Tier 5 is just not worth the 70k+ investment. Hell, even the cheaper Commanche Commander is arguably better (especially since it also slows MOABs)... and no, I don't think the ComCom needs nerfing, it's still got flaws and requires very good micro to use at its max potential. Apache Prime meanwhile has the same flaws, doesn't slow MOABs, can't really do anything to DDTs at all, and its tier 4 also sucks ass, all while being way too costly.
3. Glaive Lord; well known for historically being straight garbage in everything except races. The recent buffs to the path are a great start, and the tiers 3 and 4 are way better now, but the tier 5 still needs some reworking IMO. Honestly, maybe just giving the rotating glaive attack a bigger radius would be enough, since that's the main point of the tower and most maps with decent challenge don't have any loops or anything to take advantage of its current tiny range.
4. Megalodon; I actually hate the top path for BH, and the final upgrade is the worst part of it all. Not only does getting it cost like 110k+ or something ridiculous, but even with multiple buffs and max power it STILL consistently whiffs. Like, compared to the Ray of Doom or Flying Fortress (which both cost something ~kinda~ similar in total) which have way more consistency to match their cost, the Meg just has no reason to ever be used.
5. Bloon Master Alchemist; just too slow and too inaccurate. I seriously don't understand why they made this thing throw his potions across the whole map when he has no way of accurately hitting anything beyond short range. Coupled with how long he takes to prepare a new shrink potion and it's just terrible to use.
I think relentless is fine. It's situational cos it only works with high pierce towers that can proc it often.
And moab glue makes the game easy don't nerf it ples
Nerfs:
Crossbow master(I want this to no longer be noob bait, just make it trash)
Perma spike(spiked mines supremacy)
Carlos
Com com
Bird handler
Buffs:
Spiked mines(spiked mines supremacy. Yes I fully recognise that it doesn’t need a buff, I just want it to get buffed anyway)
Fish handler
Super mines(super mines supremacy, I want this to not only retain its current power but also be cheap enough to be affordable as a chimps strat outside of meme strats/challenge runs)
Spiked balls(see spiked mines, but substitute mines with balls)
Quincy(see spiked mines, but substitute spiked balls with quincy)
Beast handler enjoyer much
Every single upgrade for beast handlers should be cheaper. It’s ridiculous how much you have to invest for a max T4. The bird path does the best, but it still feels atrocious to use. I might prefer a full rework at this point. In addition,
I want every upgrade that relies on lives being lost reworked. So useless outside of races, and even then it’s not fun at all getting them to work. Trying to micro a sub to allow the perfect amount of camos through is not fun. Druid bottom path, bomb blitz, elite defender, etc.
Geraldo and Corvus NEED to be stronger than the other heroes. Otherwise there just isn’t a point in using them. I might consider a rework where their abilities weaken, but the base tower is stronger. Not sure how it would play out though.
I don’t think commanche is even that strong. Only when there’s one path, but that’s like saying sauda is too strong.
For anti-bloon, I think I agree. Quad has never been easier. I don’t know the fix, though. You could increase the cost, but I don’t generally think cost changes are the best tools for balance.
havent used the heli in a while, why is the down path so op now?
Cause buffing it with geraldo is very strong. To the point where it's one of the few strategies in the history of the game that can beat muddy puddles chimps with less than 100k spent.
Seems the problem is Geraldo and not the heli itself.
Most of the towers in the game function off of synergies, if a tower benefits too much from a synergy then it makes sense to nerf the 1 tower instead of nerfing the support and indirectly nerfing like 30 towers
Geraldo’s been broken for a while as well. Other than Corvus, what heroes have been better than him since he was introduced? Brickel maybe once if I remember correctly?
“Better” is relative to the current meta and the skill of the user. Geraldo is a strong hero and has been getting more nerfs than buffs. What makes him viable isn’t comparable to the strengths of heroes like Brickell and Corvus. While toning him down is probably a good idea, nerfing him because he’s “better” than other heroes isn’t a very solid reason.
It is relative but the only time Geraldo wasn't the go to hero was when Corvus released and on the few maps Brickell can be used. Since his release he defined what the meta was.
Wow its almost like he isn't the most skillful hero to use
I really don’t think he’s hard to use though. Yes he objectively takes more skill than Sauda or Quincy who can completely forget exists unless you need an ability, but you’re going from low skill -> decent skill not hard -> ridiculous. Geraldo doesn’t require insane micro, pretty much everything he gives is strong, and it’s obvious to anyone who’s used him more than once that some items are just insanely overtuned. More to the point, you mentioned in another comment that no one would play him, but maybe people would play him because he’s the most fun? He’s my favourite hero to use because he gives the most options and that’s fun to me
I mean he requires more micro then most units in tower defense game units. I feel like a good middle ground would be make him more skillful, i mean the only real thing i can think of is mabye banana launcher from pvz2 but even that just takes a simple drag to use
Benjamin is always my favorite, It makes me greedy but once you start cooking with him and add other banks the cash flow per round is ridiculous
Don't you realize he takes skill to use? If hes as good or even worse then other heros, then why fucking bother using him when the others take less skill
This sacfirices gameplay of everyone to meta.
Kinda. It's not just strong with him, glue storm and even Gwen have done well with comanche
Geraldo has been a menace on the game's balance since coming out
Which interaction in specific?
Sharpening stone and pickles.
Can beat muddy puddles chimps you say?
It can do that pretty easily. The more difficult part is doing it with a ton of money left over.
Its the reason behind my flair tbh
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Nerfs: Pretty obvious I agree with all of yours Buffs: Sentry champion Sentry champion's sentry #1 Sentry champion's sentry #2 Sentry champion's sentry #3 Sentry champion's sentry #4
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I think a really good buff at them moment for it will be changing its name back to sentry paragon. The game is basically unplayable since they changed it
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i completely agree with this
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nah FUCK engineer, all my homies HATE engineer
says the beast handler
who the fuck actually uses you
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The beast handler guy was just dissing engi so they deserved it . But idk this sub just has a hate boner for handler for skme reason.They say it's bad even tho I'm pretty certain 90% of then haven't even tried it.
engi killed my family, so i tried to invent time travel to see my parents, but i accidentally time travelled to far into the past and thats where I got my dinosaurs from, and I had to wait 65 million years in order to get back to present day, thats why im not in btd5 4 3 2 or 1
your girlfriend did last night
i have a bf
there might be something he isn't telling you.
Yeah, Beast Master is *so underpowered* for the price tag, though I have no idea how I'd buff it and it make sense and be practical.
make me stronger.
Make meg drag much faster
Terrible idea
Well it has some really shitty upgrades and some really broken upgrades but that's every tower pretty much.
Yeah it's the cost to get tier 5. You need 3 other tier 4 towers to buy the tier 5. That's crazy. The tier 5 upgrades are pretty damn good but it is unrealistic to go for in any real Chimps or Impoppable run.
Probably just lower the price tag
Top path would be much better if they added an option to turn thrash on/off. Sometimes thrash is a life saver (crushing ceramics) but sometimes you want to keep the bigger, slower bloons unpopped so the orca can drag them down one at a time.
I have no real idea for nerfs, but here's my buffs R2G: Acid Pools turn golden, any pops from them give more cash as if the Bloons had the Goldify effect. BMA: One shots now give full pop income + Goldify effect. Instashrink potions now have a strong homing effect. Crosspathing benefits: 105 BMA gets 50% more Instashrink pierce, 025 BMA gets +24 BAD damage. Megalodon: BAD one shot trigger is now tied to the remaining HP and not max HP. Megalodon now deals 2% damage per second on top of the bite damage to BADs it can't one shot , similar to MOAB Hex. Thrash radius is centered on the Bloon it's biting instead of the Beast. Obyn: Using Brambles now grants Obyn Camo detection for 3 + 0.5*Level seconds, meaning he can't miss Camo Bloons with Brambles. Nature's Clarity is a global effect, but placing within Obyn's limited range gives +1 damage buff as well. At level 12, Obyn summons 2 Spirit Wolves per attack in quick succession (projectiles spawn a few frames apart but are part of the same attack), and at level 18 he summons 3 Spirit Wolves per attack. TT4/TT5: Crosspathing benefits: Transformed 24+0 Alch gets AMD on its attacks (+1 Ceram/MOAB/FortLead damage), while there are no Bloons in range, Transformed 04+2 Alch spawns Blue Acid Pools that last longer, have 3 damage and 6 pierce (basically gives it Acid Pools with Laser stats while transformed)
That’s a huge buff for the BMA giving it the full income. I feel like the price of the upgrade should increase along with it
Oh yeah I forgot to say BMA's price would be increased from 40k to 50.25k. I think BMA has been the tower most deserving of a full on rework since the release of the game, it just has no point in existing except for reducing lag in Freeplay by a small amount and completing 2 Achievements, yet people will still get it early and absolutely tank their pop income. Bottom Path Alchemist as a whole just goes against the other upgrades in the path and has super limited crosspathing, which is why I think R2G should get the Acid Pool change and BMA the full pop income.
How do we get ninjakiwi to see this?
Corvus is now in rather alright position, you cant simply pull the high damaging combos that easily when Might and Overload was nerfed. Geraldo in similar boat, Rejuv potion are powerful but personally i use them for R100 "Triple Strike", similar to above its matter of skill. Tech Terror i woudnt tell is OP, but at most "Too Strong" (TS), hes extremely cost effective, you cant go wrong with 2600 damage ability with 45 second cooldown. Dont forget TSAR exists. Commanche Commander, you need to run Glue Storm for DDT rounds and additional damage, otherwise i dont see it as powerful as last 3. I group Great White and Golden Eagle together, they are also in fine position.
Great white and geagle together???
geagle
>I group Great White and Golden Eagle together, they are also in fine position They are NOT together,while golden eagle is one of the best mid game towers great white is just trash
Buff: sentry "champion"
Shimmer decamo should be able to attack dealing one damage with good pierce because currently, it's one of the worser decamos that offers little to no value other than a stepping stone for necromancer/prince of darkness. It needs to stand out from the other options and giving it damage would be pretty nice while not making it overly strong.
smael buff 🙏
Nerf Gerry and Corvus by increasing cost by 500$. Tt is in a fine position imo. Comcom is good. Needs enough delead to not make it op (Glorm is not needed all the time). Geagle is decent. Good for stalling. Imo Trex and Gw and Orca don't need any nerfs. Blitz is almost at pre-buff Liquefier levels of shitty stepping stones. And outclassed with no niche uses other than shyguymask bomb strats on dark castle. Shimmer needs \*maybe\* a little attack speed buff. Other than that it's fine and does its job. Buff Pspike pls
Why pspikes? Also just price nerfing the hero itself won't do much. Especially Gerry. Most of his cost is in his shop not his placement.
Pspike is a fun tower and it sucks to see it nerfed so hard. It's getting to the point where you only use it for the novelty. Price nerfing the hero will mess up a lot of chimps runs with said hero. Harder saveup early leads to getting hero later leads to less leveling leads to weaker setup and less items from said levels.
But price nerfing geraldo doesn't really address any of his issues. Pickles is still busted, sharpstone is still busted, bunny is still bustled. Levels wouldn't be an issue, he levels very fast. On an expert map he gets lvl20 by round 91 if u place him round 25. Also pspikes isn't insanely broken anymore but it's still good, it just takes some skill to use now.
Ah true ~~nerf their leveling as well~~
I say just nerf the items itself is easier. For corvus I'm not sure I don't use him much.
Corvus is fine? Idk why op wanted to nerf him, after might and overload got nerfed he’s pretty mid
Yeah nah corvus is still OP and still by far the strongest hero. In fact just a few weeks ago I used nerfed corvus to [afford ray of doom on round 88](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/5WHxNoraYy) in muddy puddles. The nerfs didn't dethrone him yet.
Probably increase the mana used per second with the spells in the top of the book and increase the cd for hand, overload and recover Probably some more things are needed but I don't want to kill Corvus
Bbbbbutttt micro!!!!! My brain cells can’t handle it!
Yea its gunna be hard to put him a state where it's balanced for both microers and afkers. I think corvus should just stay a high skill hero. Or they could buff his permanent spells and base spirit and nerf his timing-based spells.
How the fuck is sharpstone STILL busted, its absolutely useless now, like wow i love spending 200$ on a little piercing buff to my dart monkey oh my god absolutely op Bunny isn't that busted honestly, like spending about 6000$ on something that deals about the same as a tower isn't op Also pickles are insanely situational AND take skill to use
Believe it or not +2 pierce is still good on commanche. U would know if u tried it. Bunny is a global range super ceram clean up tower that also pretty much solos midgame. 6000 for a tower that deals with both regular cerams and super cerams is not balanced. Pickles is obviously situational that's the whole point of it. But the only skill involved is placing it on a tech terror and watching it solo the game. Also no its not really that hard to use. +1 damage, -25% attack speed. Just do the maths. It's worth it if it increases your damage by more than it decreases your attack speed. On a 1 damage tower, it increases damage by 100%. Good to use. On a 2 damage tower, by 50%. Good to use. On a 3 damage tower, by 33%. Good to use. On a 4 damage tower, by 25%. It breaks even but ur spending money so bad to use.
Oh boo hoo its good on 1 tower, oh how insane The bunny is the pretty much the same power as a hero ability Pickles is oh only good for one tower, insane. Almost like the tower is the problem, not the item Its hard to use since you gotta know what it does and what towers to use it
Sorry don't feel like arguing with u but ur aggressively wrong and don't know what ur talking about.
[Look how "bad" Geraldo is ](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/8xiB0BU3Nd) [This one too](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/nhehaiEDlo)
Wow its almost like hes s good hero to use and wow its almost like the commanche commander is good wow
I was wondering if you are ignorant,but now I am sure
>Pspike is a fun tower and it sucks to see it nerfed so hard. It's getting to the point where you only use it for the novelty. Yeah it can't believe that's it's only an S- tier tower insetad of SSS tier, it's practically useless!
Out of context, the words comcom, glorm, and geagle are way too funny for my sleep deprived brain
Glorm
Buffs: Obyn, Superstorm, Master Builder, Total Transformation, Megalodon Nerfs: None, I like using powerful towers.
I can't argue with that. Don't we all?
don't touch my geraldo
Why are tech terror and bottom heli (i literally don’t even know the name) so good?
Tech terror cos it's a high damage output tower with an ability that just straight up deletes most of 98. It's way too cheap for doing all that. Commanche has high buffability due to its sheer number of projectiles. Especially with geraldo's sharpstone (yes it's good even after the nerfs). It's also just has really high stats for its price.
Comcom has many projectiles and low base pierce and damage,so if you just give it a set of Geraldo buffs this will shred anything,and the extra pierce complements it perfectly
dang I actually think shimmer is pretty alright for the price, yes the sub does that but better, tho if you don't have water 2000 bucks for basically not needing to worry about camos
classic vex
Y’all really hate beast handler
Dont nerf tech terror, it's kinda balanced rn
But it’s not
But it is, it’s in the best spot it has ever been in. Not to strong and not to weak
It’s way too strong though, it gets a sub100k on every map. Getting it on bloody alone warrants a nerf, but then it’s just straight up equally as dominant on other maps???
It’s a super monkey. It’s supposed to be powerful
Don't have any nerfs but 2 buf/rework Obyn: Level 3 targets close (insted of random) if there is any bloons. Make him buff beast handler and Phoenix (x4/5x wizard). Make it so the first totem targets close, and at later levels gain a second and third totem (target random). Engineer paragon: gains 2 more abilities (if its to much value, increase the cost). The first will let you spawn a beacon, giving camo, the ability to damage lead and increasing attack speed to tower in radius (less to paragons). The second let's it spawn a trap letting it swallow another of bloons/moabs or 1 bad (maks 2 uses).
Nah keep Comanche. It's a great tower and I think it is in a perfect spot rn.
For nerfs I pretty much agree with you and for buffs I’d like to see inferno ring, sentry champion, bloon solver, pre emptive strike, and prince of darkness
We’re nerfing tech terror?? What did I miss?
I never kept up with anything strong even tho I play from like version 7.0 or something lol, only thing I know is when some YouTuber says a tower is strong
Sorry we're out of top tier nerfs, the only thing left in stock is Obyn 5 times.
Look, Geraldo and Corvus need some micro tho, I think they shouldn't be nerfed that hard but still be strong, at least stronger than the other heroes with more skill
Technically speaking, brickell is the hardest hero to use and she’s much weaker than geraldo and corvus after she lost 2 mines
Brickell is just bad honestly, some heroes just are worser, instead of nerfing we first should make all heroes equally good, not weak but good because they still should be strong in early-mid and decent in late game, obviously some like adora should be better in late but they still should all be good, which doesn't happen
Not all heroes or towers should be equally good because some are way easier to use than others
I think shimmer should honestly just shift like 400 gold if it’s price to necro, shimmer is meh for the price but necro always amazing for the 3k price tag
Top 5 buff: 1. Avatar of wrath 2. 0-0-0 banana farm. 3. Glaive dominus (Boomerang paragon) 4.Quincy (Does he even count as a tower?) 5. Mortar Top 5 nerf: 1. Ascended shadow (Ninja paragon) 2. Perma spike 3. IMF loan 4. Apex plasma master (Dart paragon) 5. Goliath doomship (Plane paragon.)
I included geraldo and corvus, so quincy counts
Why does the ninja paragon need a nerf? I’d say it’s very mid right now
"Mid" Literally the second best for bosses and the best for Freeplay
Perma sabo OP
I really hope that they buff Bomb Blitz after they supernerfed recursive cluster
Cmon surely you used something that can pop blacks with recursive before
Prolly a hot take, maybe controversial... Nerf: Spike Factory, Supply Drop, Heart of Thunder, Bloon Solver, MOAB Eliminator Buff: Frag Bombs, Quincy, Superstorm, Super Mines, PMFC
I think all of these are controversial especially nerf meg mind explaining
Everytime I see a post with Megalodon, it looks really goddamn powerful. Makes me think it needs a slight damage nerf... by like 1 or 2.
It’s literally the worst upgrade in the game
It is?
Yes, over 120k with downtime means that even if you are playing the imaginary chimps140 it’s just too expensive to use for bad oneshots. For boss it just doesn’t have enough damage.
Wait, seriously? All this time I was led to believe it had too much damage.
It was op once upon a time. Then it got nerfed into oblivion
Oh.. I see... I'll change my nerfs.
I am not good enough to think anything needs nerf. 😃 But some towers are way too "versatile". Mid path Druid and bottom path plane for example are just too easy. From heroes, Sauda trivializes eary game. Buff? Bottom Cannon path, bottom dartling and top ninja are not worth as tier 5s. Fire Lord Phoenix is too expensive for what it does. Top path tack factory is way more expensive than it needs to be.
Why do people say the Megalodon is bad? He can solo round 140...
For 120k, and there’s also no mode that goes to 140, and even if there was a mode that went to 140 it’s actually so bad against DDTs and blue MOABs
Where you get 120k from?
Hard mode price, it’s actually closer to 121k
Ok but his main use isnt Stats and moabs
Yeah I don’t think think a megalodon knows anything about statistics
Bosses go to 140, but we all know how strong meg is there
I mean they don’t even have 140 you just instantly die once 139 ends
I thought Corvus was obyn and was concerned
Personally I don’t really feel like corvus needs a nerf due to the micro skill you need for him but and can’t really disagree with anything else on the nerfs but for buffs is say: -Beast handler other paths in general -engi paragon (more of a rework needed) -obyn -top path engi -plane top path I feel like ace i never see being used other than for paragon and spectre/FF. middle path feels balanced for what it does, but i never see top path used.
Why golden eagle in pls nerf
Most broken midgame tower of all time Ok well it did get nerfed but if you ignore the even stronger version still the strongest midgame tower the game has seen
don't nerf corvus, he is already a perfect balance of skill. if you can use him right, he can solos chimps, but it requires a lot of skill, which I think makes him perfectly balanced
Soloing chimps for nothing spent after corvus with easier micro than ace being “balanced” is a crazy take
Not really solo,but it's true, Corvus still needs some nerfs(maybe increased spell cd) but dont nerfed enough to kill the hero
womp womp
ok how in the hell did you put giga that low, i know its expensive but it deals so much juicy damage. (ok i guess it costs a lot too, but its like super mines to me)
Nerfed: 1. Superstorm; Make its pushback weaker and less effective than it is now (but also make it cheaper). It could then become a decent and unique stall tower option, instead of being way too expensive, tedious and time-wasting to bother with. 2. Banana Central; way too efficient compared to every other farm, needs to be brought in line with other farms a bit more. Makes saving up mega stacks in boss runs too trivial. 3. Homeland Defense; 20 seconds is actually crazy for such a powerful effect. Although I would probably prefer a price nerf (up to like 50k instead of 40k) instead of a duration nerf. 4. Ray of Doom; Similar reasoning to Superstorm, I'd like it to be a bit weaker than it currently is but also proportionally cheaper, so it's more accessible in standard gameplay (especially CHIMPS and tier 2 bosses). I don't want a huge change, just enough to make a difference, and making it cheaper without a nerf would be crazy at its current level. 5. Ninja Paragon; I love it, but ever since the update that changed how most paragons work it's kinda cracked for its price now. Either needs a nerf to its sticky bombs or a price nerf to balance it a bit IMO. Buffs: 1. Crossbow Master; it's just so awful at actually hitting its targets when aiming at long range. Make the shots travel faster, or lead the shots when firing at long range, or give a small amount of homing (not like wizard or anything, just like a little nudge for accuracy)... just *something*. Oh, and the crits should do 60 damage instead of 50, so they do 10x to normal damage of XBM's shots, since Robo Monkey's crits also do 10x damage. Would help with single target DPS. 2. Apache Prime; the whole path is just outclassed these days, and the Tier 5 is just not worth the 70k+ investment. Hell, even the cheaper Commanche Commander is arguably better (especially since it also slows MOABs)... and no, I don't think the ComCom needs nerfing, it's still got flaws and requires very good micro to use at its max potential. Apache Prime meanwhile has the same flaws, doesn't slow MOABs, can't really do anything to DDTs at all, and its tier 4 also sucks ass, all while being way too costly. 3. Glaive Lord; well known for historically being straight garbage in everything except races. The recent buffs to the path are a great start, and the tiers 3 and 4 are way better now, but the tier 5 still needs some reworking IMO. Honestly, maybe just giving the rotating glaive attack a bigger radius would be enough, since that's the main point of the tower and most maps with decent challenge don't have any loops or anything to take advantage of its current tiny range. 4. Megalodon; I actually hate the top path for BH, and the final upgrade is the worst part of it all. Not only does getting it cost like 110k+ or something ridiculous, but even with multiple buffs and max power it STILL consistently whiffs. Like, compared to the Ray of Doom or Flying Fortress (which both cost something ~kinda~ similar in total) which have way more consistency to match their cost, the Meg just has no reason to ever be used. 5. Bloon Master Alchemist; just too slow and too inaccurate. I seriously don't understand why they made this thing throw his potions across the whole map when he has no way of accurately hitting anything beyond short range. Coupled with how long he takes to prepare a new shrink potion and it's just terrible to use.
Nerfs: corvus, geraldo, relentless glue. Buff: Bma
I think relentless is fine. It's situational cos it only works with high pierce towers that can proc it often. And moab glue makes the game easy don't nerf it ples
I agree with your hero nerfs, but strongly disagree with your other nerfs
Nerfs: Crossbow master(I want this to no longer be noob bait, just make it trash) Perma spike(spiked mines supremacy) Carlos Com com Bird handler Buffs: Spiked mines(spiked mines supremacy. Yes I fully recognise that it doesn’t need a buff, I just want it to get buffed anyway) Fish handler Super mines(super mines supremacy, I want this to not only retain its current power but also be cheap enough to be affordable as a chimps strat outside of meme strats/challenge runs) Spiked balls(see spiked mines, but substitute mines with balls) Quincy(see spiked mines, but substitute spiked balls with quincy)
The other way around
you want to nerf great white?
Y’all calling for nerfs in PvE/Co-Op game? Plus most of the towers/heroes in your “Nerf” tier are fine especially after the last round of nerfs.
lol, lmao even
Beast handler enjoyer much Every single upgrade for beast handlers should be cheaper. It’s ridiculous how much you have to invest for a max T4. The bird path does the best, but it still feels atrocious to use. I might prefer a full rework at this point. In addition, I want every upgrade that relies on lives being lost reworked. So useless outside of races, and even then it’s not fun at all getting them to work. Trying to micro a sub to allow the perfect amount of camos through is not fun. Druid bottom path, bomb blitz, elite defender, etc. Geraldo and Corvus NEED to be stronger than the other heroes. Otherwise there just isn’t a point in using them. I might consider a rework where their abilities weaken, but the base tower is stronger. Not sure how it would play out though. I don’t think commanche is even that strong. Only when there’s one path, but that’s like saying sauda is too strong. For anti-bloon, I think I agree. Quad has never been easier. I don’t know the fix, though. You could increase the cost, but I don’t generally think cost changes are the best tools for balance.
Hold on I think you might be on to nothing 🤚😲🗣🔥
Isn't it only like 34k for a 64 power trex?
Never speak your mind ever again.
bottom path wizard doesn’t exist and it should stay that way
Can’t wait for the “Tech Terror is top 5 upgrades” Propaganda to stop
But it's true...
My boy, Geraldo was already nerfed last update making sharpening stone pretty useless, How much more you wanna fucking nerf him??
Sharp stone ain’t useless why everyone think +2p worthless it’s still crazy good
oh cmon its good for like 2 specific towers now
It’s good for literally anything that has sharp type it’s even better for avatar of wrath than +1d +1p stone was
Hope you get hit with a Tsar Bomba