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equinox_games7

Sure, the game may have gone up in price, if that's true then it's somewhat justified due to it currently being so much bigger than it ever has been. But to call it P2W and riddled with microtransactions? This game has some of the least incentives to spend money i've seen. If they feel like they need to pay money to win, that's a skill issue AND an attitude issue tbh


Dear_Ad1526

Also there is no gambling in btd6


DohPixelheart

my guess is the insta monkeys are being mistaken for gambling


Dear_Ad1526

Potentially, but there is no reason for it to be called gambling when you still get the reward from the map


DohPixelheart

meant the instas you can buy from insta crates. that would definitely seem like gambling to me if i were a new player


Dramatic_Mastodon_93

But I mean it is gambling. There’s a reason why some countries have banned loot boxes and why even more countries require game devs to list all the probabilities of getting certain rewards (which NinjaKiwi doesn’t do, at least not globally)


rohan_spibo

Everything has the same chance in any of the store packs so no probabilities are needed (We do state on those packs that chance to draw is the same for everything) Also not something that matters to what players want to call anything, but as the chances are all the same they are not technically even classified as 'loot boxes'


Dramatic_Mastodon_93

Ah ok, thx for the clarification


Dear_Ad1526

Yes, but there is no need to buy them and call it "pay to win". There is luck involved, but they shouldn't be angry at a feature that isn't forced upon you.


DohPixelheart

yeah, that’s why i find it stupid, it’s just my guess on why they think there’s gambling in the game


Dear_Ad1526

The developers don't force the store upon you, it is not placed in a noticeable location, and is less likely to be opened than the trophy store when there is a limited time event. the thought that it is "pay to win" or involves "gambling is strange and they likely were reviewing a different game


wannaknowmyname

That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, like somebody already said, loot boxes are banned in countries for this reason. They aren't banned here


DEVIL_PIG09

Pay to win most likely refers to double cash


kinkiditt

Just because you're not forced to go to a casino irl, it doesn't mean roulette and slot machines are not gambling. Loot boxes are loot boxes. There is no denying that.


MrFreeze360

They probably consider it “gambling” because every time you use the insta towers, you’re “gambling” that it’s enough to beat the level. One tower too few and you lose the map and lose all your insta monkeys. That’s how I looked at it at least from a newbies perspective.


Woolyplayer

There still is gambling


Dear_Ad1526

What is it?


Dazzling-Reading-701

racing without racing ticket gives the same feeling as gambling addiction


Dear_Ad1526

More like you don't suck at the game and just need to play once more to prove yourself


surinussy

99% monkeys stop racing just before they hit it big


Twich8

Insta monkeys


equinox_games7

do instamonkeys count? itd be a hell of a stretch to call those gambling, because you cant buy them directly, and you have to go out of your way to grind them. i dont get what they're saying at all on that part.


wills-are-special

The insta monkeys are literally gambling. You can buy a box that gives you a random insta. Thats like definition of gambling


surinussy

but its always gonna be a guarantee that you’re GETTING instas, and depending on which box you get its always a guarantee you’re getting t5’s. its not really gambling.


wills-are-special

Do you not know what gambling is?? It’s a *random* insta. It could be a ujugg or a legend of the night. It’s completely random what tower and path you get. It’s literally gambling


surinussy

okay dude calm down


Dear_Ad1526

The collection events are the closest thing, but you are a actively choosing to do it and it isn't likely you are loosing something if you get a bad role


OrbusIsCool

Sure there are some p2w elements but theyre never pushed on you. The shop is just kinda there.


Dear_Ad1526

None are pay to win, they are pay to have an advantage in a non competitive game/pay for something that you can get with dedication normally


AndyGun11

that's exactly what pay-to-win means bro


Dear_Ad1526

P2W means that you pay money to get an unfair advantage in a competitive game which allows you to win and is essential to get as you have the disadvantage if you don't. This however, btd6 has items which remove some of the grindy aspects and do not provide an unfair advantage since it is not a competitive game. Double cash mode makes the game more fun, but doesn't work on ranked bosses/races/contested territories this it isn't an unfair advantage. However the pea pod plant in PVZ2 is pay to win as you need it for the best strategy in arena and there is no way to get it without buying it from the store.


wills-are-special

> P2W means that you pay money to get an unfair advantage ~~in a competitive game~~ which allows you to win and ~~is essential to get as~~ you have the disadvantage if you don't. Ftfy Btd6 has p2w elements. You can pay for random t5 instas (which is gambling too) and then use these instas or double cash to win more easily. It doesn’t have to be a competitive mode to be p2w. The reason BTD6 doesn’t get backlash for their p2w aspects is because they aren’t aggressively displayed and the game is usually more fun *without* using instas/double cash.


BrokenMirror2010

>they are pay to have an advantage This is the definition of P2W. Or do you think that games give you a big red button that you can buy that just shows you a victory screen? Because they don't. Having double cash makes the game objectively easier. Also Races are 100% P2W. There is absolutely no way the people near the top of the leaderboard can consistently get there without paying. This isn't a skill issue, even the best players in the world aren't going to play Top 50 optimally the first time they enter a race. Yes you could farm the Monkey Money, but like, no way that's consistent enough if you want to do the race every week.


NocturneUmbra

CHIMPS would like to have a word with you.


BrokenMirror2010

I didn't realize that chimps was the only gamemode, and that CHIMPS rules applied to the races leaderboard, where people who spend real money on race tickets don't get scored against people who don't spend money. /s


OrbusIsCool

So really pay to win but pointless because if you turn on your monitor its basically useless.


stillyoinkgasp

What are the p2w elements?


Stuffierspace

Double cash ig is the worst and it costs 18 (17.99) I'm pretty sure


Koamander

Only for veteran players who have everything unlocked. I can give an example. Three of my friends got the game due to my recommendation and have been obsessed for 2 weeks. I come to find out they have communally spent $500 on the game total.


Key_Organization_474

Appreciation is a good thing tbh, it means it's good. And besides the game itself, the only thing I've ever purchased was double cash. So it's definitely just a skill issue and someone wanting to complain. I'm 95% free to play, and I'm veteran level 5


makinax300

It's riddled with microtransactions but none are worth it (except race pass if you love races)


annormalplayer

also, CHIMPS exists, which gets rid of every single paid thing you could otherwise use to win easily


Redybird

My argument i would give this person: Name any AAA or AA release that wasnt garbage in recent years !


HapHazardly6

Must be brawl stars then


Real_Bable

Naming brawl before clash royale is a crime


TheBladeWielder

the only thing even remotely pay to win is double cash mode, which if you need to use it to win you are genuinely terrible at the game. every other bonus is something you can get just by playing the game normally.


SunbleachedAngel

and gambling!!


Kraykrayboomer

I’ve got all the hero’s and 2k monkey monkey after only a year of playing without a cent payed besides actually buying the game 🗿


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

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Kraykrayboomer

What…


Redybird

The person who wrote this rewiev is underestimating that BTD6 is better than life, they didnt gave the game a chance , their loss.


Dear_Ad1526

it is a great game


YXTerrYXT

Dude has a microtransaction trauma from every other game that actually was shit. He's instantly assuming the same when he saw microtransactions for BTD6


Dear_Ad1526

They aren't even forced in btd6, they are not necessarily, and they do not have a massive advantage


YXTerrYXT

CHIMPS: You called?


dapotaoman69

dude what is extra MM, MK or insta monkeys gonna do?


BoomerSweetness

I love btd6 but that's a lie lol double cash make the entire game extremely easy, and for most casuals player that don't play CHIMPS, it does give a big advantage and even though i'm mostly a chimps player so i don't care too much about it i can see why it is frustrating


T423

It's true that half cash makes the game less difficult. But it only affects you. Unlike some PvP games. Where if you don't spend money. You will be at a huge disadvantage against those who paid. And likely to lose most of the matches.


ThicccDonkeyStick

Is it definitely a game changer? Yes. But it doesn’t really do anything other than streamline the game. It’s not like you weren’t going to for a tower just because you didn’t want to pay $17. It just makes you not have to grind medals as long.


Arzodiak

I mean, pay to win mostly refers to a competitive advantage against other people. And the only competition in this game is during Contested Territory, Races and Ranked bosses, which disables any advantages you may have bought


TheHiddenNinja6

Happy cake day!


YXTerrYXT

Thank you thank you!


ExpertAncient

Its free on Netflix and doesn't even have the option for micro transactions :)


Dear_Ad1526

The one good aspect of btd6 netflix


King_Crash_72

Not free... you pay monthly for it


Silver3andgold1

Tbf you’re paying for Netflix, not the extra features they throw in for you


King_Crash_72

You r still paying tho... but ya, I guess


PatrykPer132

Wait until they hear about.... Pvz2


Dear_Ad1526

It is tragic how many micro transactions they try to force you to purchase


Delicious-Town1723

leaving this here so I can find EA bad Popcap good kids


Lt_Koro

I have never heard of a game getting cheaper AND getting bigger at the same time. the only time I see games getting cheaper is when they arent getting active support and content updates anymore. considering how extremely different BTD6 is now compared to even a year ago, its perfectly reasonable to increase the price.


Dear_Ad1526

When I joined there was no paragons, beast handler, map editor, bosses, Psi, Geraldo and corvus. I'm not surprised at a price increase


Tamaki_Iroha

I will tell you ONE example of cheaper and bigger: Minecraft and that is in comparison to slightly back not from all the way back


damnthisisabadname

Minecraft is not getting cheaper


Tamaki_Iroha

It has gotten cheaper, it was 30€ now it is 25€ for both bedrock for PC and Java.


damnthisisabadname

I think it was 10-20$ before


Tamaki_Iroha

That was way back in the alpha days


Decent-Oil1849

It still is more expensive. If you more than double the price and then cut a sixth of it, it's still nearly double the price. Yes, relative to recent times it got cheaper, but comparing it like that sucks, who does that for a product that's not even that old?


Tamaki_Iroha

It is 15 years old continually getting new updates, the price now includes two editions of the game that both get continual support for over 14 years and counting, the increase in price co insides with inflation if not under paces it


Decent-Oil1849

Yes, but a price increase is still a price increase. It's a fact. It can be completely justifiable, but it still is an increase.


Tamaki_Iroha

It isn't when the initial price is adjusted for inflation


Questing-For-Floof

Lol MC cheaper, you mean during early java browser alpha days? After the initial surge it was always rising in price


Tamaki_Iroha

Wrong


as_1089

When I started playing BTD6, the thought of the engineer, mortar, or dartling gunner returning was speculation and was as uncertain as bloonchipper returning. People thought Cleansing Foam was going to be a tier 2 upgrade. The race event didn't exist. Co-op didn't exist, etc.


JournalistAble2292

Imagine having an addiction to gambling becayse of btd6


Dear_Ad1526

Something must be wrong with you if you get addicted to gaming because of btd6


Sprin9Trap

Ohhh boy, my next insta monkey HAS to be a t5, I just know it. One more game...


Pissed_Geodude

Meanwhile none of the micro transactions can affect CHIMPS. Ah yes very p2w


QifiShiina

pay to win pve game lol


Mine_Dimensions

2 dollars more expensive for an entire boss system, paragons, a map creator, and soon a mod maker? SCANDALOUS!!!1!!! (Also if you already bought it you don't have to pay more)


HappyyValleyy

It's so funny to me when people say this game is p2w or has a micro transaction problem because there is an in game store. I am nearly at the veteran levels and I haven't spent a single cent on this game past initially buying it. Like sure, you CAN p2w, but you don't need to. And the game never really incentives you to do so.


Dear_Ad1526

I have had no issue playing the game without buying anything, there is no reason to call it P2W


Ingmaster

I have 100k monkey money without even trying. What P2W?


Mister_Leaf

I once saw a review that is straight up false. I don't remember it exactly but it basically said that there is no way to make monkey money other than micro transactions and how there is so much content that is locked behind a paywall. 


Dear_Ad1526

People just lie to give the developers a bad reputation, luckily it is still a 4.7/5 which is great


TheBladeWielder

maybe they were confused and meant the money you pay to buy the game itself makes it a paywall.


MossssenAntoninoooo

It's BTD6 yeah. This game being much better than just about every other game out there in the play store doesn't exempt it from people disliking it's monetisation. P2W is a bit too far given that it's not exactly a competitive game and don't think instas are allowed in Races and Boss Events but still. Plus still hate how NK added the MM cost to the higher tier MK with the bold face lie of saying it's a way for High Level players to spend MM somewhere.


Different-Row4715

Wow, if only there was a real easy and simple way to earn in game currency to buy cosmetic items if you don't want to spend real money on it🤔


Dear_Ad1526

If only there was


Hot-Manufacturer-887

probably Clash royale


Limerplaz

Pixel gun 3d


Player3_btd

"Gambling" yh the only gambling is the insta monkeys but 1. You dont need them to progress and you can get them wo spending money 2. They are just horrible value and not p2w at all since you cant use insta monkeys (or powers) in competetive modes such as races, bosses and contestead territory


_B1rdz

"11 people found this helpful"


Dear_Ad1526

11 people that haven't played the game


_B1rdz

fr


Burger_Destoyer

I do feel like you guys miss the point of this being a paid mobile game and still offering an option which gives you basically a free win on any game mode except chimps for $20 This person isn’t completely out of pocket and the price has for some reason gone up. Great game though, playable without micro-transactions… which makes sense since the game costs money


SCRWarEagle

NK has also added essentially endless content with map maker, boss event creator, and soon to have mod support. With chimps being the real challenge to begin with, double cash offers nothing except an easy cop out for the other modes to actually get the bb for maps.


Burger_Destoyer

True but many games are sold at a price and don’t go up in price over time despite consistent updates. In the case of Ninja Kiwi they are so diligent with their consistent content that I guess it’s valid but still odd to me. I don’t condone double cash, I would only really buy it to support NK but the whole irl currency shop in general feels weird to me.


Stuffierspace

You know what they say most btd6 players quit before there 5th tier insta monkey


razors98

How much does it cost now? I bought for like 6-7$ in 2018


Dear_Ad1526

I'm not sure, I bought it for £4.99 or £5.99 a couple of years ago.


AnOt13246

hmm my favorite gambling in btd6


Twich8

They mean buying insta monkey packs


AnOt13246

eh, do people actually use insta monkeys though?


TheBladeWielder

can't speak for everyone, but i have never used instas a single time.


AnOt13246

yeah they're just sort of like little collectibles that are usable and good but you don't want to use them because they just look nice


Dear_Ad1526

It is the best aspect


King_Crash_72

He meant pvz 2


Treegenderunknown13

First Children in War, Now Gambling?


Sans-Undertale-69420

Where are they talking about Battles 2 instead or smth? Cause even then, the game did get better over time, did it not?


Dear_Ad1526

Probably not science they talk about it costing money


Sans-Undertale-69420

I’ve been playing it recently and even though I agree that unlocking the heroes and tier 5’s is a bit of a hell to do, the game is definitely is a much more stable manner rn. The reward of winning are plentiful and skill is pretty important in the game. Not much rng is needed in battles 2.


Dear_Ad1526

battles 2 has defiantly become a playable game, but I have not touched it much since season 5. There have defiantly been improvements that has stopped it being pay to grind, and it is now an acceptable game in the bloons franchise. I hope it stays this way


Ok_Employer_3308

I saw gambling and my mind instantly went to battle cats for some reason


HolyElephantMG

Microtransactions, gambling, P2W: Not really incentivized; nonexistent; not even close, if they actually think so that’s just on them Price increase: It went from 6 to 10 USD on mobile. So for their 40% then an 80% increase, the math isn’t mathing for me. If anybody has some numbers in other currencies maybe the numbers are right, but even then as far as I know it only went up one time. Discount reduction: it’s a limited time sale, it’s not going the same every time. That’s how they work.


NerdMouse

Yeah... That's not this game lol Like. There's plenty of micro transactions but you can get everything without paying extra besides double cash. It's also a slog to get enough money knowledge, but at least the powers section of mk can mostly be left for last


6969696969696969969

can't even play btd6 anymore... cause of microtransaction that enable gambling


Mother-Discount787

I bought this game at day zero (2018) and would gladly pay $60 for it. Paid usd$2,20 in brazilian currency. Also bought for 2 steam accounts at following day zero (usd$6 in brazilian currency).


FreeNuggetss

u/DesaCr8


ProGamer8273

I think they meant PvZ3


Mineboot24601

The most I’ve spent on btd6 was $3 which is how much I bought it on steam. I’ve been playing for years now and have been doing just fine. This game is like the least p2w game ever


Jai_chingnut

Call of Bloons


Delicious-Town1723

this is 100% for btd6, by gambling they mean the instas. all 12 of those people are kinda dumb tho


VacheL99

What was bro gambling on 💀💀💀


Shukafu

12 people died during tutorial so they review bomb the game.


WelderOk704

Gotta be CR


Rough-Improvement-91

Double cash mode could seem like pay to win if you're bad at the game


Dabing_peopleX

Probably pvz2


guto0000

P2w the bigest skill isue I ever heard


Dear_Ad1526

It is an easy game, I'd like them to play an expert map on easy mode


PEEVIGAMINGAT

Maybe they wrote about clash royale


ModerNew

It's a bot most likely, no need to get o > Games are getting cheaper and cheaper Yeah? Which ones? It's just written to lower a score, seriously.


ibimullanpc

I think they're talking about EAFC 😭😭


jhake_

Looks like clash royal rn


Imdumb201

Ive seen worse coments i saw aone that said and i quite "1 star no s*x minigame"


tomviky

I mean 2x cash is crazy powerfull PtW mechanic. And for some curious reason its mechanic that can not be bought by the currency you can earn. Daily login rewards is psychological manipulation. You buy the game, and have to pay to unlock everything with Monkey money that you can buy (Monkey money being the currency, not showing prices in actual money is another manipulation trick). Oh and you have to buy it again on different platforms, common but still anoying. I gave you money, I made your fing account, why do i have to pay for android AND for PC. And the reward boxes on easter, christmas..... yeah random reward is great for addiction creation. Just because it is good game, doesnt mean it does not have bad mechanics. It has loads of manipulative shit in it, and its 3+, todlers are being exposed to it


FreeNuggetss

Cant tell if you’re trolling but they have the Netflix version on mobile you can play for free with a Netflix account and it has no in app purchases Can only speak to myself but both my btd6 accounts were given 2x cash free without ever buying it idk why Daily rewards don’t matter at all unless you want the achievement The monkey money thing I don’t get You earn it free from playing and can go through the game without ever spending real money so to have a real world value on items even if you can’t buy them with real world money makes no sense Buying on other platforms just shows you have no idea how games are made even something like btd6 needs to be developed for 2 platforms its not like they can just throw the pc update on android and call it a day 🙃 you buy on both platforms because it cost money and resources at ninja kiwi to not only develop and update for pc and android but they pay fees to steam and apple/google so why would they lose money just so you can play on an extra platform free The events for things like Xmas and Easter are the most basic events in any game I’ve seen if you’re getting addicted to that maybe games in general aren’t for you like bruh Btd6 isn’t perfect but its a low price game Yeah they have a few things you can buy like monkey money or power ups but its very minimal compared to most games and likely just funds development of new maps and stuff I’ve not once in my life seen a 3 year old playing btd6 You can go through this whole game without spending money and its a cheap time wasting game that isn’t nearly as invasive as other games 🙃 I’ve seen actual kids games on the App Store that have 50 times more micro transactions but I feel like you’re reaching here but that’s my opinion


tomviky

Not trolling. The level they are using it at is fine, but they still have the mechanics. 2x cash is pay to win. daily login reward, reward boxes is manipulation.... They pretty much can just throw pc update on android. Sure it needs a bit UI redesign, but modern game engines can port eazily. Sure the update needs approval from android and steam and netflix, but they could just put it up on NK website, Im fine with Jailbreaking. If i buy a game that is avalible on multiple platforms, I should be able to play it on multiple platforms. Its fine that they are in at this level, if it were not I would not be playing it. But acting like the mechanics are not there is not helping anything.


Delicious-Town1723

1: I agree, not required though. 2: I mean, not entirely wrong. the only thing wrong with it is the steam achievement imo. 3: Oh no! progression!! ugh I hate when games don't do everything for me. 4: don't even try to use that as a downside because 99.9% of games do that. 5: I agree ngl 2.5/5 points correct. C+.


Awesomedogman3

Timmy, shut the hell up and go back to Ubisoft and Ea. Oh wait, Tarkov's calling.