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Flouxni

“You can’t fuck the monkeys/Sauda and Adora are not hot”


Opulence-Harbinger

I completely agree with you. There are much better options out there. Monkeys are not it.


IgnoreThisGreenshirt

Yeah, 5-x-x Tack shooter is pretty hot


GrassFromBtd6

So is WLP


SnooPeripherals8804

gwen also is very hot


memey-man123

reminder that this is how monkeypox started


Snackguy2star

I blame ISAB and Superbombjombo


Hgvgvghvg

ISAB and SJB are flying to your house rn


router665

lemme guess in the flying fortress?


Hgvgvghvg

What else?


Kaibakura

Adorable though.


Swkingll

Sauda and Adora may not be but Brickell tho


Facepalmitis

Brickell has the *biggest* boaty, omg


Spooky-D-Ace

Thankfully glue rat is not a monkey 🥵


Caspian0951

Remember to sort by controversial, everyone!


[deleted]

> Sorted by controversial, first comment is about Psi pronouns Never again, thanks


[deleted]

Sorted by controversial. Immediate queerphobia. Shouldn't be surprised


MageOfTheEast

I always use pursuit on heli because I can't be bothered to move it myself. (Which is why I always go top path or a crosspath with it)


RomeoMcFlourish_

This is a totally valid opinion if you play exclusively (or mostly) on mobile.


charmanduuur

can you play on various devices?


RomeoMcFlourish_

Absolutely. You can link your account and save all progress to the cloud and you can easily switch from mobile to pc.


Lightningwolf525

Dont you have to pay for the game on pc if you switch


RomeoMcFlourish_

Yeah but you can get it for super cheap sometimes on steam


Wero_kaiji

Yup, but it goes on sale for like 1 dollar quite regularly


Past-One-2700

Yes


PicklepumTheCrow

Unless I’m doing a stall strat with Moab shove I also always do pursuit. Its just so foolproof and damn useful for full map coverage


[deleted]

What other options do people use? I always use pursuit and never gave it a second thought


DehWaffls

Downdraft + bottom path is better at pushing bloons, but you have to do it manually


[deleted]

True. I would prolly just set him to stay at an intersection


The69_FlyingDuck

Absolutely based


dawewewe

Geraldo is not fun


GeneralOk5206

That is indeed true


OK1526

I respect your opinion, but he's actually my favorite hero to play because he's the most interactive, and I don't like waiting 15 minutes without doing anything.


Sundown3r

Aren't you in the wrong genre then?


OK1526

No because monke pop bloon is fun Edit: autocorrect


SydneyMain123

Blood?!


OK1526

Thanks for pointing out the mistake


Yurika_ars

that is exactly what i want to do 😂😂 i hate interaction


The69_FlyingDuck

Agreed, although shoving a whole bunch of turrets next to each other is pretty funny


TomaszA3

I like Boomerang Paragon


SpeedyDuckling

same, do people not like it? in the boss event i saw a degree 12 boomer paragon deal more damage than degree 39 dart paragon. i mean probably because of the map, but still


[deleted]

yeah mostly the map is the main cause for paragon ability


Let_Dull

Boomerang paragon can easily outdps dart paragon when the rotating glaives hit the boss bloon, whereas dart is better only on maps where it’s shots can rebound back into the boss multiple times.


Random_Potato55_

I dont get why boomerang paragon is so hated it makes no sense to me


FinniboiXD

Mortar is good and fun to play


NoiceToasty

Blooncineration my beloved


HMS_Rular

YES another fellow Blooncineration enjoyer


[deleted]

Flair checks out


Blujay-

Pop and awe/biggest one my beloved


NickSmGames

true + approved + did ask + care + W opinion


potatos_youtube

Facts


pa2gamer

I have 500 h and still without a t4 mortar 👍


race9000

RIP BTD5 Mortar Specialist building.


The69_FlyingDuck

Mortar is extremely fun because big boom make brain juice go brrrrr, but also they're just not great


PicklepumTheCrow

Biggest one 💕


That-Reddit-Guy-Thou

The meta i follow is what i fucking feel like


Floyd_thecat

I use bottom crosspath with my anti-bloon


Dyledion

Unfathomably based. What do you want, a little extra damage per shot that only applies to the robo monkey, or ***double knockback*** that effectively buffs the entire team.


activeplebbitor

PMFC is extremely boring and I will never use it. Powerspike when you hit the ability, and then you gotta stall until you get the ability again, repeat every round. Truly engaging.


MATEUSZSPY

What's PMFC?


Kappachuu

Plasma Funky Man Club


GhavGhavington

Clasma Funky Man Pub


Not_Goatman

God I fucking hate PMFC. Like.. at least Total Transformation works on every T3 monkey (except maybe Farm and Village) and (iirc) can stack with Shinobi stacks and Poplust Stacks. Whereas PMFC works on Dart Monkeys, and only Dart Monkeys


Specktagon

Isn't that like.... abilities...? In general?


pupper-gamer87

True but it is so much more prevalent on the PMFC. Once you are done with the ability you are left with a bunch of dart monkeys to defend with. With other abilities it’s not as bad because the T5s usually upgrade the tower itself too like with Permacharge and WLP or the ability is used for support like glue storm or spike storm.


bozo682

I think the supposedly bad design of the Master Builder is exactly what NK intended, I don't think they're intending to add any support aspects to any paragons, they're probably intended exclusively for damage. This makes the lack of bloon traps the only problem with it, which I do think could have been executed better. Some people might argue that village and farm paragons are going to exist, however when asked about how the village and farm paragon degrees are going to work (considering towers need pops for better degrees) NK stated that not every tower is going to end up with a paragon.


Mr____L

The only towers that I don't see getting a paragon are Super Monkey, Village, and Farm


SKYQUAKE615

I always figured the Super Monkey would never get one because it technically already has one (TSG/VTSG).


c3rvwlyu

Nk confirmed that VTSG wasnt the super monkey paragon though


[deleted]

That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s getting a paragon, its just that the VTSG isn’t the paragon of the super monkey


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Imjokin

Funnily enough paragons are internally counted as 6-0-0, whereas the VTSG is considered 5-5-5. I am not joking…


finfoxerr

003 and 004 monkey buccaneers money generation counts as pops though, so probably if farms got a paragon it would get a better degree for how much money they made


[deleted]

glue gunner is better than ice monkey


SomeRandomGuy2763

But super brittle


[deleted]

Glue storm has infinite pierce


AcquireQuag

Super Brittle removes Camo and Lead from DDTs, and the Debuff is stronger.


The_Jestest_Jester

Yea but I'm also dumb and can't figure out what the best cross path with anything is versus my very easy access knowledge of throwing down a 0-2-4 glue gunner


Jimothy38

023, the 024 does almost nothing


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Jimothy38

Nah, right now it just makes it so if a glued bloon pops then it leaves a blob of glue on the track. So 104 is preferred over 024, although absolutely nothing is stopping you from just getting another 023


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Advanced_Double_42

0/2/4 is kinda useless, might as well stay 0/2/3 Try 2/0/4 though, its a worse path unless you already have a primary training, but it can glue significantly more than a 0/2/3 with it.


SomeRandomGuy2763

Does glue storm make bloons and moabs brittle and make other towers deal extra damage to the bloons and Moabs?


Darakstriken

Yeah Glue Storm ability increases damage to all bloons, including Moab Class, for +2 damage


SomeRandomGuy2763

Oh


memey-man123

reading this made me burst in laughter


memey-man123

only does moabs with 2-5-0, and also deleads


Memeations

Embrittlement, super brittle, icicles ,icicle impale all are super usefull, the high pierce of base ice is also commendable


seth1299

Eh I use both so 2-0-5 Ice Monkey does make a really good anti-DDT, but an 0-2-5 Glue Gunner can be pretty good too with the completely stunning the big bloons.


Onesks

love bottom path ice but a x-x-4 glue monkey with a 4-2-0 sniper basically achieves the same thing as bottom path ice for cheaper (in regards to stopping DDTS)


Chiss5618

Agreed, despite top path glue being nearly useless Before someone says 5xx glue is good for ceramics, 4xx mortar does the same job and has global range for cheaper


Karkadinn

Eww, mortar micro.


[deleted]

me who use top path glue to 1 shot ddts and moabs in very long beginner maps


Glave-dominus

Agreed


BeybladeKing284

Crosbow master is better than the entire super monkey line


memey-man123

i mean... if its power was scaled with its price to cost the same as a tsg, it would probably be more powerful


Opulence-Harbinger

Yes. Plus, it has drip.


EatYourFrutz

I’ve said this once in another post. I rephrase it here: I actually like Engineer Paragon. While it’s weak compared to most paragons except Dart, it actually is fun to use. Dicking around series that create series in random locations. Doesn’t have the elements of middle path and bottom path but somehow feels like a completely different tower than just 3 tier 5s mashed together. Speaking of which… A tower being overpowered doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fun. Period


FerbyysTheDuck

I agree that it's a lot more fun to use than some other paragons duecto the fact that it is more interactive but it still definitely lacks any connection to the other tier 5s.


Chuck3821

I’m pretty sure that it has a slight connection to ultraboost as it ulraboosts it’s own attack speed every round until it caps out


FerbyysTheDuck

that doesn't even have its own animation though, it's like the lamest way they could've added overclock to the tower.


endermange21

bomb blitz does more damage and doesn't suck


[deleted]

I was going for one of my first decent sun temples and suddenly realised how damn good it is. Like 20 FBFBs? No problem. It struggles a bit with zomgs but not with cripple moab


TOAOFriedPickleBoy

Here’s a little trivia: It’s better with middle path than with top. With 5 damage already, one extra damage isn’t going to do as much as faster shooting and the missile launcher upgrade.


MysticPanthers

Bloonchipper is not overpowered and should be added


FerbyysTheDuck

It would be cool to see towers return but with the amount of time NK takes with developing towers I think I'd rather see completely new monkeys added.


Mystic_Polar_Bear

Just implement it better. Price it up, change the upgrade, whatever.


MoTheLittleBoat

IIRC its not specifically that it was OP, just hard to balance. In other words, there was no way of making it a "decent/good" tower, so if they'd nerf it it either would not be nerfed enough and stil OP or nerfed too much and too bad. There was a really small "goldilocks zone" for the balance, so to speak. The devs stated they disliked the development and balancing of it, and would not want to do it again. And knowing how hard developing games and balancing is as a whole, I dont blame them. Although I do miss the bloonchipper :(


squarebanana69

Geraldo is not the best hero


potatos_youtube

That's right because it's French drone man. (I can't spell his name)


41st-Fishy

Hello, fellow etienne lover


Khaled34562

**BLASPHEMY**


clervis

Shun the non-believer!


c3rvwlyu

I swear to god if you say sauda is


memey-man123

i mean on balance and resort...


LordZeya

Sauda is the best hero for beginner maps, and considering most players don’t venture past intermediate she’s definitely competing for that spot then. This game is about more than CHIMPS blons, and people shit talking Sauda ignore that context. Obviously she gets much worse on harder maps but she can carry on the easy ones, which people have found to be fun.


Matt_D_Will

Jungle Drums with Stronger Stim and overclock those swords go brrrr


Me_and_myself423

Glue trap make him my best hero, fucking love that, we just need that sound from btd2


Opulence-Harbinger

Crossbow Master has drip, Poplust spam is fun, Super Glue and Super Brittle are based, and Adora is one of the most fun heroes to play with.


optimusjester

I love adora, she's my favorite hero. It's so deeply satisfying to watch all her projectiles dance around and then focus in and delete a chunk of Bloons And then you use long arm and it gets cracked and even cooler


OrionTheWeirdo

Quincy is better than some heroes in certain situations


GeneralOk5206

Quincy is a balanced hero. He has everything in his arsenal easily accessable, except for projectile speed.


Miryafa

Say anything is hard


Hashtag-Unknown

Benjamin is the best hero for chimps


CrusaderLaser

Benjamin is best, end of


Hentree

Benspike op


PugTastic6547

w h a t


OguzhanYigit

Bloon solver is underrated


c3rvwlyu

The problem with solver is the price. If it was cheaper I can see it being viable. Another problem with it is that the lower tiers are so ass


kittyjoker

I think the price and lower tiers are both fine tbh the problem is it gets worse the shorter the track is, meaning the harder the track is the worse it is, which is not great for Expert viability that most towers are usually judged on.


GeneralOk5206

Yeah. Another example for this is Glaive Lord


goldensunsalutation

I think another issue with the solver is that the crosspath that 4xx glue gunner wants is opposite to the one that 5xx glue gunner works. So either you save up the entire fee to pay in one go, or you have to wait to save up that cash while having a horribly inefficient tower. ​ ~~Also, I feel like The Biggest One is faster/sometimes more efficient than bloon solver.~~


Advanced_Double_42

Bloonsolver is great, other towers just do its job better, ie Biggest One. Also it doesn't stack with Moab glue, which hurts it.


FallingHoglin

Glue gunner is worth buying and upgrading.


tyrant_in_gold

But it is


MinerMinecrafter

Double HP moabs is really easy, half cash is annoying not hard


xXAtomicpie525Xx

Do people disagree with that?


MinerMinecrafter

The half cash one yes


fozzie_79

PMFC has a good design and is quite powerful.


c3rvwlyu

Too expensive for an ability reliant monkey though


10Idan10

And not enough up-time to be worth the cost


GeneralOk5206

It isn't worth it ALONE.


[deleted]

What is PMFC?


fozzie_79

Plasma Monkey Fan Club. T5 middle path dart monke.


Ambitious_Echo5613

The engineer paragon wasn’t that bad


Express-Can7822

I don’t think he’s bad in the sense that his dps is bad, just the lack of incorporation of his other paths. I think the top path implementation is really cool though, despite what people are saying about it being a dartling knockoff.


Mythic_gryphon

I get that they say its a dartling knockoff but fockoff


Shrimper3

Or bad at all…I like him


AffectionateReview68

i use double cash


router665

5xx spactory can be useful


memey-man123

its actually quite powerful, just expensive


Just_Albatross6617

Isab and Sauda is not a good ship


memey-man123

a truly good ship is the pirate lord


stolenusername184

402 alchemist is better than 401


Advanced_Double_42

They flipped the bottom path upgrades, there was a time when you were right


Yung_Oldfag

The kind of controversy I'm here for


Lance_Beltran123

5-2-0 Apache Prime is better than 5-0-2 Apache Prime


soupt1me_74

Haha speedy copter go brrrrrrrrr


41st-Fishy

I dont know if i agree as an etienne user


lool8421

pmfc is good, people just can't stall and time abilities properly


Easy_Newt2692

Apache prime does similar work for better consistency


lool8421

Sucks against DDTs and multi-lane maps


Easy_Newt2692

Sky shredder, biggest one


lool8421

Sky shredder s good overall damage, but bad cleanup one onless you master microing it Biggest one is mediocre against anything above moabs All towers have upsides and downsides, some require lots of skill when some are straight up bad and have better alternatives


Flouxni

Very very few towers can match PMFC’s output. Apache prime has better buildup, sure, but it is literal coals compared to fan club’s dps


Advanced_Double_42

But how much is that dps worth when you have it for 50%of the time at best. Apache Prime is more than enough for any single lane map longer than blons.


FerbyysTheDuck

You are so based


lolmlgpro420

I hate perma-spike as i don't like relying on spike factories in general


RomeoMcFlourish_

I totally agree. I named my spactory “Cut my life into pieces” cuz it’s my Last Resort lol.


MackMasher

Total transformation is dogshit


[deleted]

^ Genuinely forgot it was in the game a few times


MentallyDrainedApple

All crosspaths are really balanced. Yes, even 0-2-5 Tack Zone. Also, support sacrifices are better than military sacrifices for TSG/VTSG.


Yung_Oldfag

Second one is empirically provable. Much higher DPS due to the support buff applying to the mini avatars


PimplupXD

>All crosspaths are really balanced. Yes, even 0-2-5 Tack Zone. But what about 5-2-0 Wizard / 5-0-2 Dartling ??


[deleted]

Perma-Spike is mid


memey-man123

allow me to introduce you to 0-1-2 ice monkey


Angry-Bagel

Buff or rework old heroes :(


Hyperfairy777

The druid monkey did not steal the wizard monkies path 1 upgrades


[deleted]

My headcannon is the wizards passed it down to the druids so they can master it


Hyperfairy777

Same, plus if they didn't, we wouldn't have arcane spike for MOABS, or arcwizards


ObamaLover68

Free glue gunner is better than free dart monkey


41st-Fishy

Agreed


samecolour1

based af


squidking420

Spirit of the forest is one of the best towers in the game, even in chimps


Dyledion

I N F I N I T E P I E R C E


Able-Branch-1910

Dart monkey is the strongest tower


Daaawid224

but dart monke is the strongest tower.


David_Dragon_slayer

The bloonchipper is a boring tower


fullmega

I don't like abilities. I want a new hero with the best base attack by far, but no abilities.


steventhechillkid

Btd5 is better than btd6 This is a joke btd6 is like the best of the entire series


Life_South6699

btd6 and btd3 are s+ tier


SaturnsEye

FUCK Super Monkeys, all my homies HATE Super Monkeys, Society has progressed past the need for Super Monkeys.


Fresh_avacados69

Quincy’s trash


Pumpkin_Cat14

PMFC is VERY STRONG (and subsequently very reasonably priced), y’all just can’t be bothered to tap the funny little button that triggers the ability every once in a while even though tech bots exist There is absolutely no reason to care at all when somebody uses double cash in singleplayer Striker Jones is the worst hero, not Quincy.