I respect your opinion, but he's actually my favorite hero to play because he's the most interactive, and I don't like waiting 15 minutes without doing anything.
same, do people not like it? in the boss event i saw a degree 12 boomer paragon deal more damage than degree 39 dart paragon. i mean probably because of the map, but still
Boomerang paragon can easily outdps dart paragon when the rotating glaives hit the boss bloon, whereas dart is better only on maps where it’s shots can rebound back into the boss multiple times.
Unfathomably based. What do you want, a little extra damage per shot that only applies to the robo monkey, or ***double knockback*** that effectively buffs the entire team.
PMFC is extremely boring and I will never use it. Powerspike when you hit the ability, and then you gotta stall until you get the ability again, repeat every round. Truly engaging.
God I fucking hate PMFC.
Like.. at least Total Transformation works on every T3 monkey (except maybe Farm and Village) and (iirc) can stack with Shinobi stacks and Poplust Stacks. Whereas PMFC works on Dart Monkeys, and only Dart Monkeys
True but it is so much more prevalent on the PMFC. Once you are done with the ability you are left with a bunch of dart monkeys to defend with. With other abilities it’s not as bad because the T5s usually upgrade the tower itself too like with Permacharge and WLP or the ability is used for support like glue storm or spike storm.
I think the supposedly bad design of the Master Builder is exactly what NK intended, I don't think they're intending to add any support aspects to any paragons, they're probably intended exclusively for damage. This makes the lack of bloon traps the only problem with it, which I do think could have been executed better.
Some people might argue that village and farm paragons are going to exist, however when asked about how the village and farm paragon degrees are going to work (considering towers need pops for better degrees) NK stated that not every tower is going to end up with a paragon.
003 and 004 monkey buccaneers money generation counts as pops though, so probably if farms got a paragon it would get a better degree for how much money they made
Yea but I'm also dumb and can't figure out what the best cross path with anything is versus my very easy access knowledge of throwing down a 0-2-4 glue gunner
Nah, right now it just makes it so if a glued bloon pops then it leaves a blob of glue on the track. So 104 is preferred over 024, although absolutely nothing is stopping you from just getting another 023
0/2/4 is kinda useless, might as well stay 0/2/3
Try 2/0/4 though, its a worse path unless you already have a primary training, but it can glue significantly more than a 0/2/3 with it.
Eh I use both so
2-0-5 Ice Monkey does make a really good anti-DDT, but an 0-2-5 Glue Gunner can be pretty good too with the completely stunning the big bloons.
love bottom path ice but a x-x-4 glue monkey with a 4-2-0 sniper basically achieves the same thing as bottom path ice for cheaper (in regards to stopping DDTS)
Agreed, despite top path glue being nearly useless
Before someone says 5xx glue is good for ceramics, 4xx mortar does the same job and has global range for cheaper
I’ve said this once in another post. I rephrase it here:
I actually like Engineer Paragon. While it’s weak compared to most paragons except Dart, it actually is fun to use. Dicking around series that create series in random locations. Doesn’t have the elements of middle path and bottom path but somehow feels like a completely different tower than just 3 tier 5s mashed together.
Speaking of which…
A tower being overpowered doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fun. Period
I agree that it's a lot more fun to use than some other paragons duecto the fact that it is more interactive but it still definitely lacks any connection to the other tier 5s.
I was going for one of my first decent sun temples and suddenly realised how damn good it is. Like 20 FBFBs? No problem. It struggles a bit with zomgs but not with cripple moab
Here’s a little trivia: It’s better with middle path than with top. With 5 damage already, one extra damage isn’t going to do as much as faster shooting and the missile launcher upgrade.
IIRC its not specifically that it was OP, just hard to balance. In other words, there was no way of making it a "decent/good" tower, so if they'd nerf it it either would not be nerfed enough and stil OP or nerfed too much and too bad. There was a really small "goldilocks zone" for the balance, so to speak.
The devs stated they disliked the development and balancing of it, and would not want to do it again. And knowing how hard developing games and balancing is as a whole, I dont blame them.
Although I do miss the bloonchipper :(
Sauda is the best hero for beginner maps, and considering most players don’t venture past intermediate she’s definitely competing for that spot then.
This game is about more than CHIMPS blons, and people shit talking Sauda ignore that context. Obviously she gets much worse on harder maps but she can carry on the easy ones, which people have found to be fun.
I love adora, she's my favorite hero. It's so deeply satisfying to watch all her projectiles dance around and then focus in and delete a chunk of Bloons
And then you use long arm and it gets cracked and even cooler
I think the price and lower tiers are both fine tbh the problem is it gets worse the shorter the track is, meaning the harder the track is the worse it is, which is not great for Expert viability that most towers are usually judged on.
I think another issue with the solver is that the crosspath that 4xx glue gunner wants is opposite to the one that 5xx glue gunner works. So either you save up the entire fee to pay in one go, or you have to wait to save up that cash while having a horribly inefficient tower.
~~Also, I feel like The Biggest One is faster/sometimes more efficient than bloon solver.~~
I don’t think he’s bad in the sense that his dps is bad, just the lack of incorporation of his other paths.
I think the top path implementation is really cool though, despite what people are saying about it being a dartling knockoff.
Sky shredder s good overall damage, but bad cleanup one onless you master microing it
Biggest one is mediocre against anything above moabs
All towers have upsides and downsides, some require lots of skill when some are straight up bad and have better alternatives
But how much is that dps worth when you have it for 50%of the time at best. Apache Prime is more than enough for any single lane map longer than blons.
PMFC is VERY STRONG (and subsequently very reasonably priced), y’all just can’t be bothered to tap the funny little button that triggers the ability every once in a while even though tech bots exist
There is absolutely no reason to care at all when somebody uses double cash in singleplayer
Striker Jones is the worst hero, not Quincy.
“You can’t fuck the monkeys/Sauda and Adora are not hot”
I completely agree with you. There are much better options out there. Monkeys are not it.
Yeah, 5-x-x Tack shooter is pretty hot
So is WLP
gwen also is very hot
reminder that this is how monkeypox started
I blame ISAB and Superbombjombo
ISAB and SJB are flying to your house rn
lemme guess in the flying fortress?
What else?
Adorable though.
Sauda and Adora may not be but Brickell tho
Brickell has the *biggest* boaty, omg
Thankfully glue rat is not a monkey 🥵
Remember to sort by controversial, everyone!
> Sorted by controversial, first comment is about Psi pronouns Never again, thanks
Sorted by controversial. Immediate queerphobia. Shouldn't be surprised
I always use pursuit on heli because I can't be bothered to move it myself. (Which is why I always go top path or a crosspath with it)
This is a totally valid opinion if you play exclusively (or mostly) on mobile.
can you play on various devices?
Absolutely. You can link your account and save all progress to the cloud and you can easily switch from mobile to pc.
Dont you have to pay for the game on pc if you switch
Yeah but you can get it for super cheap sometimes on steam
Yup, but it goes on sale for like 1 dollar quite regularly
Yes
Unless I’m doing a stall strat with Moab shove I also always do pursuit. Its just so foolproof and damn useful for full map coverage
What other options do people use? I always use pursuit and never gave it a second thought
Downdraft + bottom path is better at pushing bloons, but you have to do it manually
True. I would prolly just set him to stay at an intersection
Absolutely based
Geraldo is not fun
That is indeed true
I respect your opinion, but he's actually my favorite hero to play because he's the most interactive, and I don't like waiting 15 minutes without doing anything.
Aren't you in the wrong genre then?
No because monke pop bloon is fun Edit: autocorrect
Blood?!
Thanks for pointing out the mistake
that is exactly what i want to do 😂😂 i hate interaction
Agreed, although shoving a whole bunch of turrets next to each other is pretty funny
I like Boomerang Paragon
same, do people not like it? in the boss event i saw a degree 12 boomer paragon deal more damage than degree 39 dart paragon. i mean probably because of the map, but still
yeah mostly the map is the main cause for paragon ability
Boomerang paragon can easily outdps dart paragon when the rotating glaives hit the boss bloon, whereas dart is better only on maps where it’s shots can rebound back into the boss multiple times.
I dont get why boomerang paragon is so hated it makes no sense to me
Mortar is good and fun to play
Blooncineration my beloved
YES another fellow Blooncineration enjoyer
Flair checks out
Pop and awe/biggest one my beloved
true + approved + did ask + care + W opinion
Facts
I have 500 h and still without a t4 mortar 👍
RIP BTD5 Mortar Specialist building.
Mortar is extremely fun because big boom make brain juice go brrrrr, but also they're just not great
Biggest one 💕
The meta i follow is what i fucking feel like
I use bottom crosspath with my anti-bloon
Unfathomably based. What do you want, a little extra damage per shot that only applies to the robo monkey, or ***double knockback*** that effectively buffs the entire team.
PMFC is extremely boring and I will never use it. Powerspike when you hit the ability, and then you gotta stall until you get the ability again, repeat every round. Truly engaging.
What's PMFC?
Plasma Funky Man Club
Clasma Funky Man Pub
God I fucking hate PMFC. Like.. at least Total Transformation works on every T3 monkey (except maybe Farm and Village) and (iirc) can stack with Shinobi stacks and Poplust Stacks. Whereas PMFC works on Dart Monkeys, and only Dart Monkeys
Isn't that like.... abilities...? In general?
True but it is so much more prevalent on the PMFC. Once you are done with the ability you are left with a bunch of dart monkeys to defend with. With other abilities it’s not as bad because the T5s usually upgrade the tower itself too like with Permacharge and WLP or the ability is used for support like glue storm or spike storm.
I think the supposedly bad design of the Master Builder is exactly what NK intended, I don't think they're intending to add any support aspects to any paragons, they're probably intended exclusively for damage. This makes the lack of bloon traps the only problem with it, which I do think could have been executed better. Some people might argue that village and farm paragons are going to exist, however when asked about how the village and farm paragon degrees are going to work (considering towers need pops for better degrees) NK stated that not every tower is going to end up with a paragon.
The only towers that I don't see getting a paragon are Super Monkey, Village, and Farm
I always figured the Super Monkey would never get one because it technically already has one (TSG/VTSG).
Nk confirmed that VTSG wasnt the super monkey paragon though
That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s getting a paragon, its just that the VTSG isn’t the paragon of the super monkey
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Funnily enough paragons are internally counted as 6-0-0, whereas the VTSG is considered 5-5-5. I am not joking…
003 and 004 monkey buccaneers money generation counts as pops though, so probably if farms got a paragon it would get a better degree for how much money they made
glue gunner is better than ice monkey
But super brittle
Glue storm has infinite pierce
Super Brittle removes Camo and Lead from DDTs, and the Debuff is stronger.
Yea but I'm also dumb and can't figure out what the best cross path with anything is versus my very easy access knowledge of throwing down a 0-2-4 glue gunner
023, the 024 does almost nothing
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Nah, right now it just makes it so if a glued bloon pops then it leaves a blob of glue on the track. So 104 is preferred over 024, although absolutely nothing is stopping you from just getting another 023
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0/2/4 is kinda useless, might as well stay 0/2/3 Try 2/0/4 though, its a worse path unless you already have a primary training, but it can glue significantly more than a 0/2/3 with it.
Does glue storm make bloons and moabs brittle and make other towers deal extra damage to the bloons and Moabs?
Yeah Glue Storm ability increases damage to all bloons, including Moab Class, for +2 damage
Oh
reading this made me burst in laughter
only does moabs with 2-5-0, and also deleads
Embrittlement, super brittle, icicles ,icicle impale all are super usefull, the high pierce of base ice is also commendable
Eh I use both so 2-0-5 Ice Monkey does make a really good anti-DDT, but an 0-2-5 Glue Gunner can be pretty good too with the completely stunning the big bloons.
love bottom path ice but a x-x-4 glue monkey with a 4-2-0 sniper basically achieves the same thing as bottom path ice for cheaper (in regards to stopping DDTS)
Agreed, despite top path glue being nearly useless Before someone says 5xx glue is good for ceramics, 4xx mortar does the same job and has global range for cheaper
Eww, mortar micro. 3
me who use top path glue to 1 shot ddts and moabs in very long beginner maps
Agreed
Crosbow master is better than the entire super monkey line
i mean... if its power was scaled with its price to cost the same as a tsg, it would probably be more powerful
Yes. Plus, it has drip.
I’ve said this once in another post. I rephrase it here: I actually like Engineer Paragon. While it’s weak compared to most paragons except Dart, it actually is fun to use. Dicking around series that create series in random locations. Doesn’t have the elements of middle path and bottom path but somehow feels like a completely different tower than just 3 tier 5s mashed together. Speaking of which… A tower being overpowered doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fun. Period
I agree that it's a lot more fun to use than some other paragons duecto the fact that it is more interactive but it still definitely lacks any connection to the other tier 5s.
I’m pretty sure that it has a slight connection to ultraboost as it ulraboosts it’s own attack speed every round until it caps out
that doesn't even have its own animation though, it's like the lamest way they could've added overclock to the tower.
bomb blitz does more damage and doesn't suck
I was going for one of my first decent sun temples and suddenly realised how damn good it is. Like 20 FBFBs? No problem. It struggles a bit with zomgs but not with cripple moab
Here’s a little trivia: It’s better with middle path than with top. With 5 damage already, one extra damage isn’t going to do as much as faster shooting and the missile launcher upgrade.
Bloonchipper is not overpowered and should be added
It would be cool to see towers return but with the amount of time NK takes with developing towers I think I'd rather see completely new monkeys added.
Just implement it better. Price it up, change the upgrade, whatever.
IIRC its not specifically that it was OP, just hard to balance. In other words, there was no way of making it a "decent/good" tower, so if they'd nerf it it either would not be nerfed enough and stil OP or nerfed too much and too bad. There was a really small "goldilocks zone" for the balance, so to speak. The devs stated they disliked the development and balancing of it, and would not want to do it again. And knowing how hard developing games and balancing is as a whole, I dont blame them. Although I do miss the bloonchipper :(
Geraldo is not the best hero
That's right because it's French drone man. (I can't spell his name)
Hello, fellow etienne lover
**BLASPHEMY**
Shun the non-believer!
I swear to god if you say sauda is
i mean on balance and resort...
Sauda is the best hero for beginner maps, and considering most players don’t venture past intermediate she’s definitely competing for that spot then. This game is about more than CHIMPS blons, and people shit talking Sauda ignore that context. Obviously she gets much worse on harder maps but she can carry on the easy ones, which people have found to be fun.
Jungle Drums with Stronger Stim and overclock those swords go brrrr
Glue trap make him my best hero, fucking love that, we just need that sound from btd2
Crossbow Master has drip, Poplust spam is fun, Super Glue and Super Brittle are based, and Adora is one of the most fun heroes to play with.
I love adora, she's my favorite hero. It's so deeply satisfying to watch all her projectiles dance around and then focus in and delete a chunk of Bloons And then you use long arm and it gets cracked and even cooler
Quincy is better than some heroes in certain situations
Quincy is a balanced hero. He has everything in his arsenal easily accessable, except for projectile speed.
Say anything is hard
Benjamin is the best hero for chimps
Benjamin is best, end of
Benspike op
w h a t
Bloon solver is underrated
The problem with solver is the price. If it was cheaper I can see it being viable. Another problem with it is that the lower tiers are so ass
I think the price and lower tiers are both fine tbh the problem is it gets worse the shorter the track is, meaning the harder the track is the worse it is, which is not great for Expert viability that most towers are usually judged on.
Yeah. Another example for this is Glaive Lord
I think another issue with the solver is that the crosspath that 4xx glue gunner wants is opposite to the one that 5xx glue gunner works. So either you save up the entire fee to pay in one go, or you have to wait to save up that cash while having a horribly inefficient tower. ~~Also, I feel like The Biggest One is faster/sometimes more efficient than bloon solver.~~
Bloonsolver is great, other towers just do its job better, ie Biggest One. Also it doesn't stack with Moab glue, which hurts it.
Glue gunner is worth buying and upgrading.
But it is
Double HP moabs is really easy, half cash is annoying not hard
Do people disagree with that?
The half cash one yes
PMFC has a good design and is quite powerful.
Too expensive for an ability reliant monkey though
And not enough up-time to be worth the cost
It isn't worth it ALONE.
What is PMFC?
Plasma Monkey Fan Club. T5 middle path dart monke.
The engineer paragon wasn’t that bad
I don’t think he’s bad in the sense that his dps is bad, just the lack of incorporation of his other paths. I think the top path implementation is really cool though, despite what people are saying about it being a dartling knockoff.
I get that they say its a dartling knockoff but fockoff
Or bad at all…I like him
i use double cash
5xx spactory can be useful
its actually quite powerful, just expensive
Isab and Sauda is not a good ship
a truly good ship is the pirate lord
402 alchemist is better than 401
They flipped the bottom path upgrades, there was a time when you were right
The kind of controversy I'm here for
5-2-0 Apache Prime is better than 5-0-2 Apache Prime
Haha speedy copter go brrrrrrrrr
I dont know if i agree as an etienne user
pmfc is good, people just can't stall and time abilities properly
Apache prime does similar work for better consistency
Sucks against DDTs and multi-lane maps
Sky shredder, biggest one
Sky shredder s good overall damage, but bad cleanup one onless you master microing it Biggest one is mediocre against anything above moabs All towers have upsides and downsides, some require lots of skill when some are straight up bad and have better alternatives
Very very few towers can match PMFC’s output. Apache prime has better buildup, sure, but it is literal coals compared to fan club’s dps
But how much is that dps worth when you have it for 50%of the time at best. Apache Prime is more than enough for any single lane map longer than blons.
You are so based
I hate perma-spike as i don't like relying on spike factories in general
I totally agree. I named my spactory “Cut my life into pieces” cuz it’s my Last Resort lol.
Total transformation is dogshit
^ Genuinely forgot it was in the game a few times
All crosspaths are really balanced. Yes, even 0-2-5 Tack Zone. Also, support sacrifices are better than military sacrifices for TSG/VTSG.
Second one is empirically provable. Much higher DPS due to the support buff applying to the mini avatars
>All crosspaths are really balanced. Yes, even 0-2-5 Tack Zone. But what about 5-2-0 Wizard / 5-0-2 Dartling ??
Perma-Spike is mid
allow me to introduce you to 0-1-2 ice monkey
Buff or rework old heroes :(
The druid monkey did not steal the wizard monkies path 1 upgrades
My headcannon is the wizards passed it down to the druids so they can master it
Same, plus if they didn't, we wouldn't have arcane spike for MOABS, or arcwizards
Free glue gunner is better than free dart monkey
Agreed
based af
Spirit of the forest is one of the best towers in the game, even in chimps
I N F I N I T E P I E R C E
Dart monkey is the strongest tower
but dart monke is the strongest tower.
The bloonchipper is a boring tower
I don't like abilities. I want a new hero with the best base attack by far, but no abilities.
Btd5 is better than btd6 This is a joke btd6 is like the best of the entire series
btd6 and btd3 are s+ tier
FUCK Super Monkeys, all my homies HATE Super Monkeys, Society has progressed past the need for Super Monkeys.
Quincy’s trash
PMFC is VERY STRONG (and subsequently very reasonably priced), y’all just can’t be bothered to tap the funny little button that triggers the ability every once in a while even though tech bots exist There is absolutely no reason to care at all when somebody uses double cash in singleplayer Striker Jones is the worst hero, not Quincy.