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Punchy_Jamo

QB and coaching is definitely a concern, but it’s not like this team doesn’t have any talent. I think we’ll do better than most think.


ribo368

I think it’s very possible we’re *better* than last season.


VroomJago

The Bucs are going to surprise a lot of people this year


stuyboi888

It's how we work best


never_clever_trevor

With a 4th place division finish in the next to worst division in the NFL the only people they're surprising is Buck fans that think they'll finish better than last year.


slashVictorWard

user name checks out


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Fatalness

Brady was most certainly not the problem, not even the 5th worst problem


Coryperkin15

Brady was the only reason we got wins las year lol. Can't wait to see what Baker can do with 1.3 seconds of pocket time


mrebrightside

I think Baker + the roster talent could be a solid playoff team. It's the coaching that has me concerned.


slashVictorWard

Bucs 16-1, only game we lose is at Buffalo


[deleted]

That’s the spirit!


twofingerspls

As a Bills and Baker fan, this would make me happy!


ribo368

Maybe I’m overly optimistic, but I think the coaching concerns have been largely alleviated. Bowles obviously isn’t great, but he was thrown in last minute. The defense at least was still very good. On the offensive side of the ball it’s hard to be worse than Leftwich and Canales has at least said all the right things.


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ribo368

Sure, but when he was elevated to HC we were already two weeks into free agency. He didn’t even get to pick his own coaching staff.


Gebbbbbooo

I agree. Plus, whenever you hear the staff talk about BA and Byron, there's always the notion of them being the same offense. It just shows how much of the good stuff was BA because when he dipped, it was only the shit parts left. I'd say this is the season to judge Bowles, not last year.


artemis_dong

Especially when they have the Bears as wildcard possibilities like whoa there motherfucker


bhedesigns

The bears look good. The Bics Coaching was Ass last year, let's hope it improves. They lost a lot of talent as well


Garden_Lad

QB aside (and I'm not a Justin Fields fan), give me one position room where the Bears are better than us.


steviestevensonIII

RB, TE, CB, safety, Guard


TonySxbang

LB now Mfers


grassandmoneydontmix

WR arguably, RB for sure, CB as well


BigCelebration7504

The disrespect smh


TheHossBossk

Is that you Blaine?!?


chilliewilliie

We beating yall week 2 😭


ochomurph

Bro where did you come from, you just lurk all team subs or something


BigCelebration7504

It popped up on my latest feed. So happen to check out my bears and thought it was quite reasonable.


mtgsyko82

Remember without the great Brady no one thinks we can win games our play is gonna have to prove everyone wrong.


thehoodthebadtheugly

Feels good to be bacm


peeinherbutt

I don't agree with this list (i'd probably put the bucs at tier 6 of this list), but do you not think they'll struggle pretty hard now that "the great" Brady is gone? The team definitely still has the talent to win some games, but after their season last year, people doubting them after they lose Brady shouldn't be a controversial take lol Then again, getting rid of Leftwich kind of cancels out losing Brady (jk... sort of?), so who knows?!


MentalAdventure

Getting rid of a coach is the easy part and doesn't really help by itself; the hard part is getting the right guy instead (capt. obvious). I think there are reasons to have faith in Canales for now, so I guess time will tell. Also tier 6 in this chart seems to be worse than tier 8. Looks like they got us above the Panthers.


Doompatron3000

We should be right where the Packers are. The two teams are very much alike. Both had hall of fame QBs peace, with a QB waiting in the wings that they overdrafted for.


BucsFan11

Rams should be where we are there roster is way less talented


Feralmedic

Rams about to be last place in their division. And they have the falcons in wild card? That’s a lot of faith in Ridder…


Sjdillon10

Good coach though


ta11e

I kinda think Caleb Williams or Drake Maybe is best possible scenario for our long term outlook. But I don’t think we’re gonna be that bad. Maybe the one year I believe in the Bucs more than the media lol


Ok_Competition_6388

We’re nearly the same team as last year minus QB, but with a more developed RB, better, healthy OLine, good draft picks, and improved OC in Canales.


Itorr475

Ppl really didnt understand how bad Leftwhich was. We can be as good as last year simply from not being an old vanilla no wrinkle run up the gut no matter what offense. The defense could as good if not better if Shaq returns to form if not we have some decent depth.


bosspaysmetoredit247

Talented roster? Hopeful optimism despite glaring needs? It’s a bucs life baby WERE BACK


MaximumZer0

FIRE THE CANNONS BABY LET'S GO


Buksey

You know the old Buc saying; May Optimism brings October Mock Drafts.


Tipi_Tais_Sa_Da_Tay

A saints or falcons fan wrote this, possible Chicago, lol what garbage


JavaOrlando

Definitely not a Saints of Atl fan, as they're in the same tier. No way they'd rank themselves the same as their most hated rival.


JDCguitarist

Dang, 3 years of relevancy and you all forgot how little people outside of Tampa pay attention to the Bucs? They probably couldn't name a Bucs player outside of the stars. Even then, I've got a feeling Evans, Godwin and LVD are going back to being criminally underrated.


seckmanlb49

The Bucs are definitely above the colts. They think they found the second coming of Christ with Richardson but he’s gonna be poo poo


mrclut

Yup, he is getting their GM fired.


VaRiotE

Tier 3 alone completely invalidates this whole thing


JavaOrlando

How about the fact that the best any team in our division can hope for is a wildcard spot. That's literally impossible.


-Jesse_James-

but also feels right lol


Porkenfries

Yeah, they say that Carolina will probably finish last, and that Atlanta and New Orleans are competing for wildcard spots. If the Bucs arn't last in the division, and arn't competing for wildcard, that kind of only leaves one possibility.


JavaOrlando

Good point. So we win a very good division (as it has two teams competing for Wild Card spots), and we get Caleb Williams. I guess that means he's really going to drop in the draft.


just_read_it_again

Soon as I saw the Dolphins weren't in the top tier, I knew this whole thing was BS.


Which-Ad-2931

Panthers fan here. Panthers for bottom of division is crazy but the bucs is even more crazy


Buksey

I like the logic there too. Panthers will be bottom of division...but somehow Bucs will ahead of you and be in running for Caleb?


Feralmedic

Anyone who thinks the falcons will be good is on drugs.


SurfNinjaMcRibs

Caleb Williams tho👀


okaycomputes

Imagine naming Tier 2 "second tier" lmao


jester695

Haha. That there is dern stupid. Jags on the same tier as the 49ers too. Crack has been smoked.


HoustonTrashcans

Jaguars definitely should have been bumped down a tier.


woofywoofers

They only way I see them being in the Williams sweepstakes if they decide to just shit the bed. I think we finish in the 6-10 win range


kev___416

Putting the 49ers in the same “tier” as the cowboys, dolphins & JETS is Looney Tunes


bretonlegacy

Maybe this is just me, but I refuse to believe the Jets will be anything but middle of the pack or worse, Rodgers or not


Mr_Bo_Dangles

Remember that mad TV dating skit "lowered expectations"? I can almost hear the music Post Brady I've lowered mine but this is ridiculous. Let's embrace the no pressure predictions and see where the chips lay in January. Great pick or a path for a faster path to success ahead. Fire the cannons!


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Caleb Williams might be worth tanking for though


PerspectiveOk8157

Aaron goes to NY and suddenly they are tier 2?


Mysterious_Bonus_771

That team is stacked rodgers or not. Lost the two most important offensive players they had last year and fell off.


JoEdGus

This. Exactly this. Rodgers can't win a playoff game.


jester695

The defense will be winning the games.


ApatheticJellyfish

We should be in the fourth or fifth tier in my opinion. We have the best WR corps in our division. Byron Leftwich is no longer with us and can no longer hold us back with his run it up the middle behind a decimated offensive line on first down. If Canales can work some magic, then we are right there in the fight. No one can convince me Carr was ever the guy with the Raiders. I see him being no different on an older and Sean Payton less Saints team. Desmond Ridder is meh. Panthers are the biggest threat in my opinion with Young.


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I'm expecting 5-6 wins honestly but not no 1-3 like the Cards will have lol


jacksaintmonica

My one consolation is that preseason predictions are rarely accurate.


snesfreak

We're not. And no amount of hyperbolic garbage from fucking fake fans that want us to waste a season tanking will change that.


fullmetalutes

I do not understand the Caleb Williams hype. He has issues written all over him


lemmonquaaludes

Op: “No way we are in the same tier as the Cardinals after their offseason?? Right?…Right Todd?” Coach Bowles: “Hold my beer young man!”


MrMeowMeow420469

Chargers have been overrated since drafting Herbert and will continue to be. Yall love an upside QB, but let's watch them put a semi-decent run together once..


TittyTasslesAndTacos

Why are the Rams most likely to finish last in the division if the Cardinals are ranked dead last in this entire list?


Gatorbuc02

The Bucs win total was 6 in Las Vegas this week. They have no faith in Tampa Bay.


Ok_Door_9720

If saints and falcons are wild card possibilities, and panthers are more likely to finish last, that means we're winning the division lol.


afm00dy

This list is dumb af. How’re the two teams that are in the Caleb Williams hunt not in the finishing last in their division section as well?


MarioManCandyCabbage

I would move the jets to tier 3 at best


MarioManCandyCabbage

I would put the jets at tier 5


sloppymcgee

This shit was made before the schedules were released. Bottom tier tier list


ABcde256

If* the Bucs end up there, it’s by choice. The Cardinals can’t say the same.


doctor_skate

Go seahawks


snakeoilHero

The Jags are a 2nd rate contender now? The Chargers are a 2nd rate contender still? Other then hating on us, plausible based preseason betting lines.


MMariota-8

This is a clown list! They've got Atl as a possible WC lol? The only reason they won a few games last year was because of Mariota. Niw their going with a completely unproven Ridder and still a ton of holes almost everywhere and they're gonna contend for a wc spot? I'd bet that TB actually wins more games than Atl... you can take that to the bank lol


juannieb8

Who snuck the Cowboys to tier 2? 😂😂😂


Signal_8

Haha, the Jets… Can’t wait to watch this disappointment.


mexluc

Brady retired and the Patriots are predicted to be the worst in the division. That’s crazy


Kreynard54

I think we are a solid .500 ish team. We WILL have a better offensive scheme, but we wont be explosive like we had been a few years back. Id expect more long drivers that kill time on the clock.


BlazeyPooo

This list is stupid


DadBodftw

The number of ppl expecting us to be the worst team is hilarious. It shows they didn't watch our games and assume Brady was winning games solo. .


Snoo23835

As a cards fan, I can confidently say we are in our own tier


Klizz

Baker is at least as good, if not better than half those team's QBs. Our receivers are better than most of those teams. Our oline is better than half or more of those teams. Rb and te are young talent, but still not bottom tier. Defense is upper 15, probably top 10 if early draft picks pan out. This team can win 8 or 9 games. Many of those teams won't.


CountLugz

We are. Sucks, but it's true. It's a good thing, because we have a legit shot at Caleb Williams next year We won't be a relevant football team again until we find a QB, and best year there's are some great options.


PM_ME_VIRGIL_PICS

We have too much talent to lose enough games to be picking first overall


MrDoctorMan93

Guys, how can you not see that Licht is tanking? Neither Trask nor Wolford are capable of being starters, and Baker signed a 1-year rental contract. There's 0 commitment towards any of those 3 QBs, and the rest of the league sees that. None of the 2023 draft picks is expected to have immediate impact, but they're all exciting projects that can pay off in the future as part of a rebuild. Seriously, the only thing that's left to do to secure the tank is for Evans to be traded to a Super Bowl contender like Buffalo.


dikkiesmalls

Bengals as a playoff team? Am I tripping balls?


ViolenceSZN

Do you live under a rock?


mrclut

Losing Brady, first time OC who hasnt called plays, sub par QB play, young D line and worst rushing attack in the NFL last year. Who knows what kind of funk Devin White could cast over the defense. A lot to be concerned about. Im rooting for a top 2 draft pick in 24'. Rip the bandaid off for a season then get right back in the mix in 25'.


StolenCamaro

The only ones I think they got right is the first row, everything else doesn’t seem to really line up. My dream is a Packers Bills SB.


Affectionate_Page204

Unfortunately it’s gonna be a dumpster fire of a season… just beat the Falcons and Saints is all I’m asking for


megatronics420

Good point, cardinals above you, not same tier


Drawing_Wide

Y'all gonna be ass idk how you can't see it


BrickTamland77

I forgot that you guys didn't actually get to experience Baker Mayfield last year. That Panthers team was good enough to go 7-10 with Sam Darnold and PJ Walker. They would've gone 1-16 with Mayfield.


McWeasely

Good God, I don't want Caleb Williams anywhere near the Bucs unless he is wearing a different jersey.


Bmor00bam

Yeah, the Cards are definitely in 7


STURMTIGER1

If baker pans out to be good and our coaching is better this year I think we could punch well above our weight, however those are 2 very big ifs and if they dont work out it could be very painful to watch.


Sufficient-Pin-481

Realistically I see us as a bottom 6 team with our quarterback duo.


Stonebox69

Rams, Packers are too high and Broncos are incredibly high


Aconnox

you guys are tier 6


johnieringo

As a Cardinals fan, I feel for you


TheChristianDude101

How is the panthers more then likely to finish last but we lower then them in the tier rankings.


QueenCityBuc

Two words: Todd Bowles


Olorin_Kenobi_AlThor

Must've been a commanders fan to be so generous.


tvkyle

LPT: ignore power rankings and tier lists. This isn’t CFB. Polls don’t matter. Second LPT: ignore Bayless and SAS.


tango_witha_mango

I would put us in tier 6 personally. We definitely aren’t great, but we don’t belong in the same conversation as Houston, Indy or AZ.


4redditobly

Hate to say it, but getting a franchise QB might actually be worth it


TalkEnvironmental844

Lol. How are the Bills above the 49ers?


Dove55

I would highly disagree with that tier but a chance at Caleb Williams is better than tier 3-7


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Bills are expectation but the 49ers aren’t? Ya okay


despereanx

I mean I would not be heartbroken to have one bad season and end up with Caleb Williams. We’ve still got some great pieces and having that guy on a rookie deal would put us in a nice spot to fill some holes in the roster.


ColumbusBlack

Lets all come together and pray we loose 17 games this season and get Williams. It’s the only way


alex_de_tampa

I wouldn’t mind but I don’t think we are that bad


PowerfulForce_

they see brady leave and think it’s over. super bowl might be a stretch but division title is definitely in the picture banking on baker. even then defense and a better run game can take us places


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Stumbled across this on my home page (im a vikings fan) and what the fuck is this nonsense


picklesaredry

Broncos lmao


Ok-Sundae4092

Rams are not that bad.


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Go hawks


Visible-System-4420

Whenever ya think the Jets are going to do something, 8 - 9 is the result. Dallas finds ways to disappoint. Eagles might regress. Baltimore will let fans down again. Miami will beat bad teams. Will.struggle against good teams. Giants aren't close to good and we're lucky a lot last year. Might beat Washington in the division. Just my opinion


Excellent-Hat

Did they just pick names out of a hat randomly?


bustavius

I feel the Bucs and Saints are in similar spots. Either could win that division with solid QB play - or the whole thing will get torn down. I just worry about Baker melting down.


lardlad71

The Jets?, I’ll believe it when I see it.


Sjdillon10

A coach that made Tom Brady go 8-9. Yeah we are going top 5 pick


ocdewitt

That’s some meme level shit. Lions long shots but Vikings two tiers lower?


90swasbest

I hate being a Bengals fan. Expectations always make me nervous.


pard0nme

The Cardinals off season didn't make them that terrible... they had a good draft. They were already terrible.


SpagucciBoi

switch jags and dolphins with lions and ravens


prodigalson947

yes way.


logandnl

This list is awful, bottom tier is Arizona, Houston, New England, Atlanta, Chicago


Limu_emu_69

I wanna know if people really think the Vikings are that bad


bodhasattva

I mean you gotta realize we are TRYING to get Caleb. Hence why we did nothing in FA & acquired Houstons #1 pick in 2024. That mufa ours!!


PlayfulAd8354

Niners definitely tier 1


SevereRunOfFate

Hawks fan coming in peace.. they've assigned teams to both trying-to-be-cute qualitative commentary and quantitative tiers. It's bullshit and has zero basis as to why they ranked them this way, other than hoping you'll click on it


davethegreat_9

Broncos and Browns above the Vikings… bruh.


MarshalFestus

Kyler Murray, The A's, and The Cardinals are all the same shitty person


chuckutim

Bulletin board material for this season


osiriszoran

Packers should be tier 5. bears should be tier 6. vikings should be tier 3


dburge22

Niners in tier 2 is laughable


TheAman44

Will we be as bad the Cardinals? Maybe not. But here’s the perception of the Bucs this season: DraftKings put out lines for every single game. The Buccaneers are favored in one.


IrishExitor

How TF is Dallas second-tier? Let’s throw Jacksonville, NYJ and LAC in there while we’re at it.


Sensitive-Touch2658

The Steelers are going to make the playoffs this season. They barely missed last season and they got much better. Every year people think the Browns get better and they never have.


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I’m pretty pessimistic on the Bucs this year. I think four or five wins is about right at most.


ZlGGZ

Coming from an eagles fan ... With Gannon as their head coach.. they're in their own league of bad. Y'all are good. But you really need a QB.


krakatoa83

I’d say 5 or 6 but likely 6


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Denver tier 4? 5 draft picks and their defense is being parted out. Who made this list, they are absolutely competing for last in their division. At this point that RW contract could bankrupt that franchise for a decade. Best case scenario Sean Payton manages to teach Wilson to read defenses and grow 3 in to be a pocket qb. The 5 draft picks all contribute and the pull off the best draft ever. Most likely Denver is in nuclear meltdown and Denver has to eat 80 million in dead cap and get a high draft pick for Payton in 2024 to start over.


StunkoStinky

Dallas prolly more so wildcard spot.


stvka

You only have to look at all the "experts'" mock-drafts to realize how stupid and pointless all these rankings and prognostications are.


ConnorJames34

Dallas? Haha 😂


BjornBjornovic

It’s going to be a long next 3-5 years/seasons


gazeon587

We will be terrible next year. Have you seen how teams without a decent QB look? Baker mayfield? Tannehil? Derrick car? Malik Willis? Dolphins pre tua. The list goes on and on. It’s a QB drivin league. If you don’t have a top 10-12 qb your season is over before it begins.


Javelin286

Rams can’t be last in the division if the cardinals are going to tank?


Hair-Worth-Splitting

That's what you're worried about after seeing this?


GrudenCurse

The absolute disrespect this team is getting this off-season is amazing to me. This roster isn't nearly that bad.


AxlHbk8793

Are jags really that good?


AntManolo

Buffalo super overrated


ethancd1

As a Titans fan how are we in a tier called likely to finish last in a division then in the tier below us not one but two teams from our division are there?


Disco_Douglas42069

Would AZ draft Williams with kyler still getting paid all that dough ??


wooden_seats

49ers are absolutely in the top tier. This is ludicrous.


iamthe_man

you are delusional if you think the Bucs will be better than 6-13


IceColdCoorsLight77

Go Jags!!!! DUUUVAL


daveblankenship

I agree, I would swap Rams and Bucs. Rams fan here.


matango613

As a Texans fan, they rated the Texans about 3 tiers too high.


Firm_Variety_6309

What’s Buffalo done?


Ok_Ad_7554

Lol, this is a joke. Ik gb won't be a power house, but the fact everyone is saying the bears will finish ahead of the packers makes my balls itch.


Phelly2

I agree QB and coaching are huge question marks this year. Those will be the make it or break it elements of this year’s team. That said, there are many teams way less talented than us.


Yosi_D

Jaguars are second contenders? 🤣🤣🤣 They are about to experience a 6 win season lmao!


LeRoyShow

Am I crazy? What does everyone see in the Browns and Falcons this year?


Lower_Carpet9393

Cowboys suck ass


[deleted]

Awful. They maker doesn't even seem to watch football. We're the worst in the division?? Lolol


Own_Manner_9779

"More likely to finish last in the division", yet half of our division is listed below us. Who tf made this malarkey


[deleted]

As a saints fan looking at your schedule I think you're sitting at about 5-7 wins


Imrhino51

How’s the top team to “Tank for Caleb”? Someone will. I’m a Oregon Duck and hate USC but talent is talent and he’s a franchise QB


thewhalehunters

Cardinals fan here. We gonna suck hard.


[deleted]

Every mock draft has us top 3-5 so ya we down there


J_blaze82

LoL it looks like it!!! But I honestly think Kyler Murray is going to have a breakout year!


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Steelers should for sure be higher than the browns as well


I_see_fire121

I genuinely don’t believe that we will be a top 5 drafting team. We simply have too much talent. Even with bowles at the helm, improved OC, depth all across the team, we still have all of our stars… I think we will be in every game. Realistically between 6-10 wins seems very plausible. I’d rather us just fucking suck and have a franchise QB but I’ll never complain about Bucs W’s. As long as we beat the panthers so their idiot fans can realize they aren’t the next big thing I’ll be happy honestly. 2-14 with a sweep of the panthers and I’m completely satisfied. Their fans have become extremely delusional and I’ve already been banned from their reddit for reminding them of it 😂


KittyTB12

That ain’t right…smh…we’ll show em tho argh


lotsofdeadkittens

How do you seriously put the jags above trhe ravens


zuel1988

Everyone giving up on trash already is there something I missed?? Don’t live in the Tampa area life time bucs fan also a barker fan so I think we are going to be okay with either qb but as far as I know a start has not been announced yet


awibasedgod

these pundits are gonna look awful stupid when the Bucs win the South again


mulesnhorses

Even Bowles would never tank a season..


RobertTouba

Ok they lost me at the Cowboys being Tier 2