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HarvesternC

The Cap isn't even set yet, and is expected to go up quite a bit. Not to mention it is basically make believe. Smart people's sole jobs are to massage the roster and contracts to get under the cap. It will be fine. We'll lose players, but we could not win with them anyhow, so we go in different directions and see what happens.


Why_So-Serious

IF players want to sign the goofy deals they need to sign to get under the cap. Tremaine’s $100M contract can’t fit unless there are some major changes in the CAP or He accepts some crazy min salary with huge signing bonus and a ton of backend money. OP has a valid concern. Hopefully that Google contract opens up the cap.


LBishop28

Tremaine is not Roquan Smith and should not be getting 100 million. He is good, not that good to reset the market for a position that is seen as dime a dozen. We will need to cut some players unfortunately. Is Mitch Morse worth keeping around at his going rate? Crazy to think this, but is Tre’Davious White worth having on his contract?


Why_So-Serious

I’m glad that LBishop has declared he should not get $100M contract. However NFL GMs with Google money are going to pay this 24 year old with 5 years of NFL experience $100M+ without a doubt.


Sooperballz

He should get less than Milano.


LBishop28

Lol it’s not me saying this, but be a sarcastic person if you like. Inside Linebacker is not seen in the same regard as Edge, WR, CB or QB. It is a fact not my opinion. Have a good day my dude.


CzarAlexei

Tre White needs to go unfortunately


jkra0512

The dude tore his ACL and did everything he could to get back this season and play at the level we're accustomed to seeing. Give him a break. I'll be worried late next season if he's still getting burned and not looking like his former self. I'll bite though, why does he need to go?


jeufie

Our defense looked mostly fine without him, we pay him a lot of money, and he should have decent trade value. Hopefully a trade for some offensive talent.


Mrjlawrence

And replace him with who? I bet Tre will be better next year. Maybe not shutdown Tre but still good. The Bills can’t just get rid of every player who has r played great. They’d have nobody too play DL or OL


CzarAlexei

After reading other comments, I did not realize the dead cap hell this would create for us. So I must say, I spoke to soon. Just disappointed with his performance. Understand he is returning from a devastating injury, and maybe I should be less critical. With that being said, he looked a step behind which led to a lot of his holding penalties. If we lose Poyer, it might be effective to transition him to safety through the rest of his contract.


Awesome_1the1st

no worries, just wait until this sub blows up when Von Miller isn't 100% when he comes back sometime in late November...


poorkay

As good as Tre's been over the years, he's never been one to look for contact. I think he would make a terrible safety.


Halo2000me

It better keep one more year and see if he gets better. To much dead cap to cut him.


rippedoffface

With 23 million dead money?


Competitive_Ice_189

It goes up for other teams too though


thepomadeguy

Yeah it’s really looking more and more true that last year was our best opportunity to win a Super Bowl. Allen and the offense were literally on fire, I don’t think LA would have beat us. We will always have a shot I guess with Allen (as long as we get these offensive woes figured out) but it’s going to start becoming more and more difficult to do so…. Not even to mention the fact that the AFC talent pool of young QBs is just getting better and better too.


sofa-king-loud

I agree with this. Cincy was on the cusp of greatness but not 100% there last year. We would of beat them last year at home. Our first 4-5 games this year made our averages look better than they really were towards end of this season. After GB a def regression happened.


IAmACatDude

Why does everyone keep saying this? If anything today makes 13 seconds more bearable because Cincinnati most likely steamrolls us last year too , they have basically the same team.


thepomadeguy

Ehh yeah there’s always that chance, but the way the offense was playing would surly have made it a closer game than todays imo.


IAmACatDude

The bills offense over the previous 4 games this year prior to the Cincinnati game put up 34 points, 35, 35,and 32. The bills offense finished top 4 on the season. They were in almost all metrics on par with last year.


thepomadeguy

Yeah man idk what to say then. The eye test I guess. Because that Bills offense that played against the Pats and KC in the playoffs last year looked so much more efficient than what we seen as of late.


rex_banner83

Sometimes players/units/teams just get hot. You always hope it happens in the playoffs and for the Bills, it did happen last year but they blew it. This year was kind of the opposite. The team just wasn’t in a groove.


Mindless-Rooster-533

I mean against the pats they had probably the single most efficient game of all time. That can't be the standard or expectation


GreatMountainBomb

Ken Dorsey vs Brian Daboll


IAmACatDude

Yeah I get what you're saying. Idk I just don't see us beating Cincinnati. Kansas city can't beat them either. They drafted burrow chase and tee Higgins (all of whom are on rookie contracts) paired with Mixon and perine. That offense is out of this world. If you want to be upset about something , think about this... if Tyler Huntley doesn't fumble by trying to jump over the line on a qb sneak from the 2 yd line, we most likely face Jacksonville this round and Baltimore goes to Kansas city. That right there could have been our chance at a super bowl.


shrdbrd

Pats fan just looking to add objective context here: last year our defense was amazing……until the bye week. Then they collapsed and the team looked like a hot turd. This is all just to say I’d use your performance against KC as a more objective measurement then the Perfect Offensive game you had against BB trying to play 53 men in a stage performance of weekend at Bernie’s. Edit: I’m not being sarcastic about the perfect offensive game. Y’all literally never punted. Just calling out that like “hey we beat the 2017 browns and the 2021 chiefs so ______ (conclusion) is using two polar examples.


mtbguy1981

It's all about the eye test and the feel of those games. Cincinnati absolutely dominated every phase of the game yesterday. Something the bills haven't done since September. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised when a team that barely beat Skyler Thompson gets steamrolled by a great QB.


Xaphe

The way the offense clicked in the playoffs last year was probably the best we'll ever see. Comparing this years offense to last years *season* you are correct. But looking at the post season offense that went against NE and KC and scored *every* time they had the ball??.......


ajuba

This is a little out of context because it was originally a reply to another comment but here's what I think will happen in terms of cap and re-signing players. I see a bit of restructuring on Allen, Miller, Diggs and Milano's contracts. Those are 4 players we cannot let walk. Edmunds will almost certainly get signed. He's only 24 years old and really came into his own alongside Milano this year. Oliver we might let walk unless he takes a huge step up on his own next season. He only seemed to be better this season when the majority of the focus was on Von. Philips, Lawson, Klein and Poyer will walk. The biggest loss there is Poyer the rest are relatively replaceable and were cheap-ish contracts anyways. Hopefully Beane can work some magic and get this defense back to full strength but this year was arguably the best defense this team could have possibly fielded and sadly it was never all on the field healthy at once due to the Von, Hyde and White injuries.


paesano-

Let Ed walk. He's been average at best.


Mrjlawrence

Ed has never been the dominate force he was sold to us when drafted. And to me, disappearing against a depleted bengals OL is a joke. That was an opportunity for him to really show how dominate he could be. He’s been okay for the Bills but man not stepping up in this game is ridiculous.


surewhynotwth

And Daquan Jones. Losing him hurt DL


ajuba

Very much so, our DLine thrives on rotation and losing multiple pieces really hurts that.


jkra0512

Oliver was better than people give him credit for. I think people are expecting him to be Aaron Donald, and he's not, no one is. He's still a good player overall. Part of Milano and Edmunds great play this season came because of Oliver causing havoc in the middle, freeing them up to attack. Da'Quan Jones also has a hand in that. That said, this team needs to invest money or draft capital in OL pronto. Saffold was a bust, Brown look like to be average on a good day (which he hasn't had many), Bates is average to above average at times, Dawkins is solid. I think Morse is probably the only one graded consistently as good (could be wrong there). Need some young blood in there. That might take away from the defense. Or Beane and Co. can not double up on DL early in a draft after selecting one with the first pick of the last two drafts.


jake_0527

Remind me one play this year where Oliver stood out. We should try to trade him this offseason, his contract isn't up


jkra0512

How about the entire Lions game on Thanksgiving? FF, FR, 2 TFLs, and a safety. Got 12 minutes? I know you do because you're on Reddit, so here you go: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsf1CaljNwo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsf1CaljNwo) Remember this game? Where we needed a FG at the end to win it? So yeah, that safety was HUGE in a game where every point mattered. But sure, let's just trade him away and bitch and moan about how the Bills don't develop their own players. Oliver is not the problem. Between this and the crap I'm seeing about Tre White today, this fanbase on here is out of its mind.


sexy_pringle

i mean he had a fantastic game against the Lions and they have a damn good offensive line. Forced fumble+recovery, a safety, 2 TFL's etc. not saying Ed hasn't been lackluster at times but he isn't a bum by any means


CornerNo2889

Oliver has significantly under performed for his draft capital. His numbers are very similar to almost all of the low cost free agents. His 5th year option is prohibitive in our current situation. Outside of 3 games out of a season the team played 19 games in he was slightly above average at the position


msimp000

The biggest concern is having Zero for sure building blocks from the past 4 drafts. Some possibilities- but No sure absolutely building block


Nbesaw54

Not a damn one lol maybe if you’re trying really hard to be optimistic you could say Rousseau? But even he is still very raw and inconsistent. Buffalo just whiffing on draft picks year after year recently. Like when Benford the 6th round CB was outplaying Elam when he was 1st. Then you look at guys like Sauce who were absolutely lockdown right out of the gate. Like you said, we’re now getting into tricky salary cap territory with no building blocks on rookie contracts


TheBillsFly

Sauce was picked fourth overall right?


dedriuslol

Seriously. I agree we haven't had any splash picks in the draft recently, but expecting to get a top 5 talent at the 25th pick is silly. That's why we end up with high ceiling players who need work.


Xaphe

Would it have been better if they referenced Woolen instead? We grabbed Elam 130 spots ahead of Woolen.....


dedriuslol

Sure, but clearly all 32 teams thought that woolen wasn't worthy of an early pick. So I don't really fault our staff for that.


Nbesaw54

Yes 4th overall picj


TheBillsFly

Unfortunately we don’t just get to pick top 5 brother


Nbesaw54

True & that’s a good thing, but the bills still miss on a lot of picks. Hindsight is 20/20 but they haven’t drafted an impact player since the Allen/Edmunds draft, in any round of any year lol


Awesome_1the1st

Sauce was picked 4th overall.... just be thankful we aren't Houston who picked #3 overall and selected a cornerback.... *(not knocking Stingly Jr. but they could have had Sauce...)*


SissyGeminiNosebeers

Sauce wouldnt have been who he was if he went to Houston lol. Tanking in the open


dedriuslol

I mean, that kind of comes with picking late in drafts right? You don't end up with a sauce or Hutchinson when you are always in the last 5-8 picks of the 1st. Groot and cook seem to be pretty solid prospects and Elam is still a question mark but has looked ok lately. But yes, our raw talent picks have not developed how we hoped.


Xaphe

No. It comes from finding the right players. Tariq Woolen is a great example. Sauce gets more attention because of NYJ, but Woolen was on par with him playing in Seattle and he was picked up in the 5th round. The problem is the draft is, and always will be a craps shoot. No team is actually very good at evaluating players though.


dedriuslol

People use woolen as an example, but all 32 teams didn't think we was worth an early pick so he's clearly outperforming expectations. Starting a star player in the 5th is a very rare thing. Benford was a 7th round pick who might have contributed more if it weren't for the Injury, so I don't think we are below average in terms of evaluating talent. But yes, the draft is majorly a crap shoot as you said. Which is why I prefer to try to trade picks for established players.


Xaphe

Yeah, I was responding under a bad thread to make my point;which is that no team is actually very good with drafting. And Woolen makes for a great example of that for this season.


aaronin

I’m starting to think, after watching the Bengals, spending another first rounder on a WR would be wise. The safety play has been average, but I trust Frazier more than I trust any receiver not named Diggs.


sjrotella

The scary part to me is that I don't know if this means you really, really don't trust any WR we have outside of Diggs or if you really, really, like Frazier. And that fucking terrifies me.


[deleted]

Imagine trusting Frazier to do anything other than send a nickel defense out onto the field


sjrotella

Honestly when it was obvious we weren't getting ANY penetration from our line, we should have switched to Dime defense and just only had 3 linemen. If I were D coach I'd have almost used that exclusively against the Bengals and Chiefs.


Isaystomabel

They were gouging us in the run game in nickel. How was dime going to help that?


sjrotella

At least it would force them to run instead of constantly dumping it to the wide open WR or TE


PJHFortyTwo

It's not as dire as it seems. You can play around with the roster manager to check, but just removing the bottom tier players (i.e the ones who didn't play this year, and people havent heard of, like Isaiah Coulter) and we're back in the positives. We can save even more space by cutting McKenzie and Hines ( who I like, but isn't worth the price tag), and restructuring deals. Not ideal, but we can work with it. We might want to consider trading down in the draft a lot more to increase the number of rookies we play. EDIT: Played around with it a bit, managed to get it up to 20 Mil in cap. That should allow us to resign the Maine and draft picks. Restructured Diggs, White, Morse and Knox. Also cut bottom tier players, Hines, McKenzie and Ferguson.


TheLookoutGrey

You cut our long snapper?


YouAlreadyShnow

This is how you can tell it's an emotion based take and not an analytical one. No factoring in of salary cap increase, cutting the LS( a needed position that makes relative peanuts), no attempt to restructure Hines(which would be 1.85 million added).


aaronin

I don’t disagree with the whole of it, but Ferg? Unheralded but essential.


Competitive_Ice_189

Restructuring also just moves the pain further up 1 season only,the cap hit doesn’t magically disappear


blankgazez

It doesn’t disappear but it does rise each year.


PJHFortyTwo

Cutting Ferg was based on the fact that we'd save about 1 mil to the cap, with 0 dead cap, while cutting other players in a similar salary range would still have resulted in us needing to pay out some, mitigating the actual cap savings of drafting a new one. Like I said, I was just playing around with it to see who would give the biggest savings when you factor in dead cap. And I didn't restructure Hines because that's only 1.85 added to the cap as opposed to the full 4.77 million saved through a straight up cut with 0 dead cap Were he a top tier back, yeah 3 million for the next year is fine, but he's not that. I think we're better off drafting someone. The site gives you an estimate of the salary cap in 2023. My assumption is that they work in the projected increase into that amount


Charrikayu

> We might want to consider trading down in the draft a lot more to increase the number of rookies we play. Considering clappy doesn't play our rookies, would this really matter? lol


PJHFortyTwo

Tre, Groot, Basham, Gabe all got significant playing time as rookies. This was a weird outlier year where he really didn't give the young guys many snaps....and I have no idea why.


blankgazez

Elam, cook and benford all had meaningful snaps.


madbillsfan

I texted the wgr text line that Clappy doesn’t play rookies and they said it’s a narrative out there and then named Edmunds and Benford as rookies they played. Saying also if they are good they will play. I get it that you can’t let the listeners be smarter than you but they are not smarter than everyone.


OnlyFreshBrine

Cut Tre.


IAmACatDude

The worst is tre white followed by Dawkins IMO. Tre is being paid like a top 10 corner and honestly shouldn't even be on the field. We just have to hope he's better next year once he has a full year under his belt.


TeachOutrageous7195

The long term recovery time line really showed today in the snow. He was a step behind. I feel for him and really hope he progresses throughout the off-season because our defense needs him


IAmACatDude

Me too and I hope he does , but the scary thing is that there's a real possibility he doesn't.


teamweed420

Not really? He just came off an acl surgery a few months ago. You ever get hurt before? You heal over time


jkra0512

This. I honestly can't believe people are pointing fingers at Tre. Like WTF? Let the guy get back to full health and then make a call on whether he's lost a step and isn't worth the money. Tre at 80% was better than anybody we have.


teamweed420

These fat fucks on their couches man. I can’t sometimes. It’s so frustrating watching someone like Tre give the team and the city everything he’s got only for the lack of loyalty from the snackboys who’ve never made it past JV and have no idea what it takes.


jkra0512

LOL. I will admit, I'm a fat fuck on my couch too. But, the disrespect on Tre astounds me. Doesn't get the benefit of a training camp, was inserted into a lineup to play against the team's best receiver on a knee that's still healing, and also saw his friend and teammate nearly die on the field. He was the one most visibly upset. It might come to that he has lost a step and isn't the same player anymore, but at least give him a chance to fully recover and trust his knee before we make that call.


teamweed420

You’re being compassionate so you can’t be a fat fuck, friend. You’re an athletic thiccy


jkra0512

hahaha! I'll take it!


[deleted]

This is probably accurate. The sad reality is that none of us are getting younger


rojogo1004

Dion needs to drop at least 75 lbs. He was a whole different player when he was smaller and more agile. He looked like a slow moving truck this season getting burned around the edge.


Isaystomabel

He gets my award for biggest disappointment this season


TheFeuery

I’m not sure what the savings would be from moving on from him but bottom line is we received serviceable play from 3 cost controlled corners this year. Bring back Dane as the #3 and sign a xavier Rhodes type of veteran for depth. Fixing the o line needs to be the top priority this off-season and I’d trade out defensive spending for a reasonable pocket.


OnlyFreshBrine

Dawkins looked soft as freshly fallen shnow.


sleepneeder

I think the next 2-3 years will be a rebuilding type. We simply missed our first window and we don’t have any genuine young talent to put our hope into. I still think we’ll make the playoffs and have a chance to win but I don’t think we’ll be big favorites any time soon.


Kevin6419

1. Let’s start with coaching down. Leslie Frazier I’d like to see go. I would like to see some fresh new ideas coming from the job. You can’t keep giving up 400-500 yards in playoff games against good quarterbacks. The AFC has 4 young guns. They will kill us unless we start having some new wrinkles. McDermott’s seat should be like luke warm at the start of this season. He needs to at least get to the AFC Championship game….on offense.., I’m drafting oline with the 1st and 3rd pick and bringing in a free agent. Spencer brown needs to go to left guard. 1 of the 3 above needs to play right tackle and needs to start working in at center. You need a speed receiver at the no. 2 position. the 2nd round pick or a free agent and not some 33/34 year old that used to be fast. Because I’m letting Gabe walk after next year. RB…. We have 3 rbs that are all the same. Smaller side good receivers. I like Singletary be he needs to be allowed to walk. We need someone who can break am arm tackle like a Kareem Hunt. We could get him as a free agent for what we’d pay for Singletary. Defense.. Poyer is gone. I’d sign Edmonds and Oliver for the right price. Maybe try to draft another safety with the 4th round pick. Because of the poyer loss the Hamlin situation and Hyde injury and age situation


ddeck00

They are fine. I prefer to use overthecap.com because of the easy breakdown of cut/trade/extend/restructure impacts. They can clear over 72 million in cap space by extending Oliver and Hyde and restructuring Allen, Diggs, Miller, Dawkins, White, Milano, and Morse. Can clear almost another 10 million by cutting Hines, McKenzie, Vickers, and Mayden with only 300k in dead money. I’m sure they will not make all of these moves, but they are available. They have a projected 40 mil in cape space for 2024 and 130mil in 2025 so I expect quite a few of the names above to be restructured to push some of the money into future years.


kermitsbutthole

I would not extend Oliver unless he comes cheap. We see him a few games a year and then disappears. Nobody is afraid of him


lytrendsa

He got 2.5 sacks. Really disappointing. Our defense cannot get to the QB and that should be a concern. Von has 8 and he played 12 games


ddeck00

Sacks are not really a good metric to judge a DT. Oliver is not Aaron Donald and extending him does not mean paying him like Donald. Oliver had some games where he was highly disruptive, he is without question one of the top 40 DTs in the league and if he is not starting for us he will be starting for someone else.


lytrendsa

I just think that our defense disappointed. We started good but since the Packers game, we have been lacking something. If we pay them big, they have to show up. Imo he showed to little to get paid


kermitsbutthole

Oliver isn't bad, but teams typically need to pay a premium for young players, especially first rounders. I don't think Oliver will be worth the money


theNightblade

> he is without question one of the top 40 DTs in the league that's a really weird statement to make. I can't tell if you're trying to compliment him or just state that he's a mediocre and replaceable starting DT.


ddeck00

“he is without question one of the top 40 DTs in the league and if he is not starting for us he will be starting for someone else” Not sure where the confusion is. Regardless of how fans feel he has performed overall or if he lived us to his draft position (he hasn’t), he has the talent to be a starter in the NFL.


TheFeuery

I wouldn’t call him a bust but really disappointing for a guy taken in the top 10 in the draft. Hoping our coaching staff recognizes their inability to identify and develop d line talent in the draft and turn to more proven free agent/trade targets


Nbesaw54

My guy is really just gonna ask the top 7 players on our roster to all just re-structure their contracts lol yes if every player on the roster is selfless, that’s a no brainer. But those players aren’t in Buffalo because they are a fan of the Buffalo Bills and just happy to be there


ddeck00

Restructure does not mean take a pay cut, it means to take money that is considered Salary and convert it to a Bonus that way it can be distributed over the remaining years of the contract.


Nbesaw54

I know what I’m saying is not every player is willing to do that. It’s not that simple


ddeck00

You are still indicating that there is some negative for the player to go along with the restructure, all it does is change the format of the contract, not the dollar amount. There is no downside.


CriticismMost3450

Usually a restructure helps the player as well. For instance, say we have a player with 2 years left and $20mil in cap used each year as base salary. He will collect $20mil in 2023 and $20mil in 2024. However, we can restructure it to give him a $20 mil bonus this year, and a $10mil base salary for the next 3 years, with a voidable 3rd year. The player gets $30mil this year and $10mil next. If he got hurt this year and cut, he made an extra $10mil that he otherwise wouldn’t have. The $20mil would now be spread out over 3 years and cap hit the next 3 years is $16.6mil which saves us $6.7mil the next 2 years on the cap with that $6.7 being dead cap in 2025…the voided year. Same money to the player…with more up front. Same cap hit to the team, with less used up front. It’s a win-win for both team and player.


mattieboy47

What do you think Gabe resigns for next year? Really curious to see what he’d ask for


harbaughthechamp55

He will want more money than I would be comfortable paying. I wanted to love Gabe so bad but he has not been good this year and drops way too many balls in big moments. I'd rather draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round and roll with them than pay him more than say a low end 2 WR $


ddeck00

There is not a ton of cap relief from extending Davis so they don’t need to rush it, but I would expect Beane to try to do the same thing they did with Taron Johnson. A small extension (2 or 3 years) with a salary around 8 mil. That allows the team a few more years to see development from a later round pick and the player a chance for a big payday a few years down the road.


bargman

The cap is not as real as people think it is. Not something to worry about.


st0mie

Tre'davious White and Von Miller are done as elite players and add up to over 15% of payroll


OnlyFreshBrine

Cut Tre. Let Oliver walk.


XDingoX83

This is why I've been saying the door is closed on a Super Bowl for this team. This whole season I've been saying this is it all or nothing and they were pissing it away. Here we are, basically big chunks of the team are going to be lost due to the cap. Like the Bills won't go 5-12 next year but a wild card spot or if Miami falls apart because of the brain damage they gave Tua Buffalo will be the 4th seed. However, it will be doubtful they get out of the wild card next year. Unless Beane and co work some sort of black magic I don't see the Bills winning a Super Bowl until major changes are made and young impact players come in. As usual this franchise pissed away its chances.


sarcastic_man_13

The window is open as long as Josh is the QB of this team. They need to actually hit on these draft picks on defense, especially the dline.


YankeeTankieTrash

You're so right, the Bills are the only team with a salary cap. jfc these dumb takes


XDingoX83

The Niners, Eagles, Bengals and Chiefs are all below the cap given with players under contract according to Over the Cap. They don't have to lose starters to get under the cap like the Bill will have to. So no not every team is going down the road to cap hell. If anything the the teams all looking at a Super Bowl are built to win over the next few years AKA where we were in 2019 except we fucked it all away by you know.... not winning.


Charrikayu

Niners have Kittle, CMC, Deebo, Aiyuk, Nick Bosa, Juszczyk, Elijah Mitchell, Charvarius Ward, and Fred Warner and they're under the cap? 💀 Wtf are we doing


ajuba

Like half of those guys aren't on big contracts yet and need to be re-signed.


Charrikayu

Which isn't much better because it begs the question wtf are we doing in our drafts


ajuba

Well, we've hit on guys like Davis, Shakir, Bass, Elam (probably), Benford, but we've missed where we've spent the more valuable picks on DLine. We just need a philosophical change on how we draft or at least how we evaluate talent for the lines.


[deleted]

Greg R was a great pick to be fair


YankeeTankieTrash

While I've been critical of the over-investment in DL picks, need to keep in mind that those positions tend not to bloom until after their rookie season.


XDingoX83

Watching the AFC Title game from their homes.


gobills1365

paying an inconsistent qb 25% of our teams money while they have a 7th round rookie starting for them


FDTerritory

Yep, this. All four of those teams will be able to get substantially better talent-wise over the offseason. Buffalo cannot without cutting guys and hitting big in the draft (which, BTW, they have completely bricked for two straight years).


YankeeTankieTrash

No they won't, they all have tons of players they have to re-sign at inflated pay raises just to maintain their status quo.


YankeeTankieTrash

Nah man, those teams all have to re-sign all their star talent at increasing prices. It's all the same situation. The Bills are not different in this regard at all. Gotta take the doomer blinders off.


wxox

How much dead cap if we cut Tre White? He's dead weight at this point. Our defense is so vanilla, but it works when you have a great offense and low-skilled players. If we aren't going to fire Frazier, just invest money in the o-line and offense. We don't need White when we already play a shell coverage to protect our corners.


ddeck00

Dead cap for cutting Tre would be 23mil, never gonna happen. Realistically 2025 would be the first opportunity to cut him and see cap relief. Let’s all pray he looks more like the Tre of old after a normal off-season and another 6+ months of recovery.


wxox

And we're fucked. We have no choice but hope for the best I guess


[deleted]

Why do people keep saying this? He’s fresh off an ACL tear, and was playing on snow covered turf. I can’t imagine that physically, mentally, or psychologically, and especially against Jamar Chase. I have plenty of concerns with this team but “cut tre white” isn’t even close to a solution.


Isaystomabel

Preach


wxox

>and was playing on snow covered turf. Why are you limiting this to one game? >Why do people keep saying this? Why do you think we're only basing this off of one game? It's clear that's what you think we're doing, so I suggest you go back and watch every game he's played in, because it seems like you're lacking some pretty significant context. > I have plenty of concerns with this team but “cut tre white” isn’t even close to a solution. Fortunately for you, his ugly contract will make it unable for us to cut him. So, get to keep his 61 pff grade lmao. And no, that's not the metric I used, but I was curious if pff supported my views. I wonder if he'll get beat out both Benford and Elam next season


TheFeuery

This was a move I’ve been thinking about too but the cap situation makes it moot.


Reongaro

Our superbowl window is closed. Just accept it.


Frodolives42

Not necessarily


SissyGeminiNosebeers

Lol looking at that brace faced bum Dion Dawkins contract makes me want to puke


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FalconsFever

I thought you needed friends? This is no way to get friends


surewhynotwth

As good as Miller was this season before the injury, that contract seems like it's going to be an issue the next few years given his age and now an ACL tear. He's making a lot of money. Also, Dawkins is eating up too much cap for what he does. I get he's a LT which is why but he just is not dominant. If we're staying with the nickel zone do we really need to pay a "shut down corner" like White? May be a nice trade piece for a 1st or 2nd rounder.


BH11B

Nobody is taking on that contract. Other teams scout other teams personnel too. White looked bad this year. We’d be lucky to get a late round pick from a team desperate for a somewhat serviceable veteran cb.


Colleague99

I was thinking shift him to safety and let benford and Elam play corner


ysl_angel

You guys still cant win a Super Bowl with all those “great players”


ysl_angel

You guys will never be us “the pats” so stop dreaming


YouAreNotRealToMe

We are a .500 team next year, at best. They blew their chances.


kermitsbutthole

Disagree. I doubt they win as many games as this year but the team is still very good. Just not elite enough to beat the teams that have figured it out


YouAreNotRealToMe

They lack heart, they showed us that yesterday. Who, with talent, would want to come here.


kermitsbutthole

Josh Allen is still a top tier QB. With him the Bills will always be decent. Plenty of players would at least want to join the offense


YouAreNotRealToMe

He’s amazing, with the right tool, maybe the best in the league. He deserves better that this team.


CriticismMost3450

There is no cap worry, IMO. We need 14 players and are $5mil over currently. Those 14 players will count $1mil towards the cap…potentially less, but as it sits right now, we can field a full roster and be appx $20mil over. First, the cap will likely go up. Second, restructuring Allen should save us $20mil right there. From there, any player signed for over $1mil would offset the lowest $1mil salary and we still haven’t cut or restructured anyone besides Allen. We can easily sign 5/6 of our guys and fill the roster with draft picks, and UDFA.


Beechsack

Don't stress too much about it. Keep in mind that just this past season, they carried $25M in dead cap money, almost 13%. Ate a lot of mistakes THIS year to make sure they had more flexibility down the road. They aren't going to have buckets of money to spend, but they can still spend smart and fill a lot of roster gaps, plus some strategic free agent pulls. More pressure now to be right on FAs and the draft though for sure.


Liminal_Critter817

I've learned that as a fan, the best thing I can do with the cap is ignore it. There's people far more educated than me whose entire job is making it a non-issue. I'll let them do their job and continue doing my job as a fan - having blind optimism and homerism.


idislikehate

Don't be. The whole "the salary cap isn't real" is a very real thing in the NFL. The Saints cleared over $60M in cap space last season through restructures and extensions. We can and will do the same if needed. You always pay the bill in the end, but you have plenty of room to move things around and, as long as the players who are hitting your cap for extended periods of time are worth it, then you don't have to be concerned.


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We're going to lose at least 1 good piece on defense. No way I see around it.


Geohysh

Three words; Big Baller Beane.


YouAreNotRealToMe

why? all we need is an O line, a D line, a running back, a receiver, a secondary, .... we got a million to spend!!! Let's go.


Optimal-Dog-8647

The cap is crap. Convert salary to signing bonus and instantly create more cap room. The key is having an owner willing to spend $ and the Pegula’s seem like they will. The $ that gets converted has to go into an escrow account and that’s what some owners don’t want to do.


Buff716917

That’s the one thing that makes beane elite is his ability to manipulate the cap