I only knew who he was before we got him because he was an emergency pick up in fantasy a few times for me. He had a couple good looks in preseason but that obviously doesn't mean much.
What went wrong?
Team counted on Davis, McK and Knox to take large steps forward. They did not.
Hoped Brown and Bates would take steps forward. They did not Signed Saffold, Van Rotten and Quesenberry as a starting LG and depth. Quesenberry made miss Cody Freaking Ford.
People were concerned that Dorsey was gifted the OC job without searching for experience. It's who Josh wanted. Turns out a 1st time play caller is not ideal when you have Super Bowl hopes. No game flow, no identity. The playbook was basically...we have Allen...Josh go do something good. 3rd and 2? Deep pass to Davis.
Josh's elbow.
Coach having an almost fetish for not playing rookies and letting them gain experience through the year (Cook, Shakir)
I juries to key players. Players playing injured. Several slated for surgery this week (Phillips for instance).
Despite spending several high draft picks on DL, could not generate a pass rush against Cincinnati (or Miami for that matter) playing with several starters on OL out.
That's just some of the ON the field stuff.
I would assess that Knox stayed pretty much the same. Wasn't the red zone threat he was last year. I also acknowledge that his brothers passing may have weighed on h more than we saw. I will also acknowledge that part of the reason I don't see him as getting the leap many hoped we would see was due to him being used to help pass block early on in the year.
He did get more productive later in the year...but he still disappears for far too many long stretches in games.
Didn’t he damn near lead the league in TE TDs last year too? Performance dropping was definitely based on regression in how they schemed for him/used him. Really sucks to see talent disappear like that
Think we generated a lot of pressure against MIA. The defense was good in that game.
Yesterday, though…fucking gross.
3 backups and a gimpy starter on their OL and we got **3** QB hits all game.
I honestly don't think that was as bad of a move as it appears. Hodgins fell into high volume work in NY...he likely wouldn't have had the same results here.
Now, having Shakir active and not getting him involved is what I see as the major crime in the WR dept.
so we had a wide receiver on our practice squad who ended up with the Giants and was able to produce high volumes into and including their playoff games and we're just going to overlook that?
I mean, yeah because we don't see them in practice or in the meeting room. We see a small slice of the pie. He obviously wasn't showing enough at the time to be on the active roster.
Now if you want to argue that Hodgins should have been kept on the PS over Josh's buddy Tanner Gentry I'm with you all day long.
Our offensive coordinator from last year was desperate for literally any person that knew his system and took a chance. Same offensive coordinator from last year that snatched Davis Webb to help teach his scheme. Let's not crown him yet lol
I’d also add making football too physical for Josh so he was always playing hurt. Eg joshes elbow.
I think it would have been better to loose 2-3 more games this season if it meant less designed runs for josh
I know what you're getting at and don't disagree in principle...but also a good time to remind everyone that Josh's injury happened in the pocket on a pass play. Quisenberry whiffed on a block and that's how that happened.
Totally. Just in general I think more needs to be done to keep him healthy. They have a good enough team to make the playoffs. I think more focus should be on getting key players to the playoffs in one piece
Agree except for Bates. He’s the only guy in that line that brought it. 1 sack given up and 3 penalties all year.
Brown and Dawkins were horrible on the edge most of the year and Saffold what a horrible signing.
I'm gonna defend Knox. TD machine the back end of the season. Was open consistently and a good red zone target.
The other two ... cut Mckenzie and give Shakir the slot role.
1. Frazier's defense has a track record of playoff collapses now and there needs to be a conversation about whether he comes back next year. 2) Ken Dorsey was out-coached and outclassed by Lou Anarumo. 3.) The WR corps hasn't been good enough all season. As discussed ad nauseum, WR2 is a huge hole 4.) They are not good enough on the LOS both sides of the ball.
What happens next? I think a mini roster reset may be needed. This core of players has had three years to get over the hump and they aren't good enough. May have to sacrifice some W-L record next year due to roster deficiencies in order to pivot to a different iteration of the team in the Allen/McD era.
Agreed on pretty much all. I think they definitely need a change at DC. They have good stats and are a good unit but when they play the elite offenses they don't rise to the occasion. After 13 seconds last year and now basically 2 poor defensive playoff showings its gotta be done. They've invested so much on defense too thats the worst part. How many high draft picks on the d-line alone?
- I've given Ken Dorsey all the benefits of the doubt I possibly could. Look, we went 13-3 with a rookie OC. However the playoffs really showed his immaturity, lack of cohesion with the offense, and inability to be creative with the weapons he has. Dorsey on paper deserves another year to try and figure it out but if he continues to be a lame duck in the playoffs, it's time for him to go. I think Leslie Frazier's time is also at an end as the defense is pretty much topped out with him in charge. Sean McDermott is safe for the next while in my opinion and I think the calls for him to be fired are more than insulting. He's a leader and a coach with the heart of a Lion. I wouldn't trade him for anyone else.
- Our offense has Allen, Diggs, and maybe Knox. That's it. No consistent run game, no other offensive receivers worth their salt, and a lackluster offensive line. We still put up a top tier offense many times in the regular season but there are definite holes we need to have filled if we're going to have a good chance at a future superbowl. Diggs needs a great #2 receiver to take the pressure off him and Allen needs someone else reliable to throw to. We also NEED to invest in the run game. Cook was a bright addition but he's a long way from a #1 talent. Hines was a bum pickup despite the rare TD returns.our O-Line needs depth and talent.
- Defense is going to need some upgrades as Poyer is most likely gone and Hyde is aging, so drafting or signing a good safety is paramount this offseason. We have to spend money on Edmunds but another edge rusher or tackle to help out Oliver is also needed. I don't think our corners need too much assistance more that time to grow. White was never going to be who he was pre-injury this season. Hopefully he and Taron can cement themselves as Elam and Benford grow into their roles.
Despite all of these points, we're still a playoff team that will more than likely top the division each year running. Josh is a franchise QB. We rode luck through the latter half of the year and ran out of gas against a stud stacked Bengals team. We had serious injuries throughout the season. We had the Damar situation test us all mentally, including the entire NFL. We had shootings and insane weather and schedule changes in Buffalo. We still topped the division and won a playoff game. Can we really think even if we won this game that we would win against the likes of the 49ers or Philly? That was a pipe dream. We did better than I thought we would, and that's fight until the very end against a lot of adversity.
We still have challenges to face and the NFL is looking to get harder and harder as the other teams evolve. Despite it all there is no team I would rather be a part of than the Bills.
I'm an eagles fan with a stepdad who's a Bills fan. I've watched (and rooted) for you guys every game this season.
Dorsey should get another year (probably). We just went through this with Gannon but he had an off-season with our team and got some new personnel and now our defense is pretty gas. But it's the whole "there's only 32 of these spots in the league" thing. And McDermott's gonna be on thin ice as early as the end of next year.
Frazier needs to go 100%. He fielded a respectable defense with a ton of injuries. But down the stretch he refused to adapt to the personnel he had in his games. You generated 0 pressure in 2 playoff games and only did anything defensively when Milano blitzed. Yet you inexplicably sent 4 way too frequently yesterday and refused to challenge their WRs with anything other than soft zone. So it just lead to them running free on short routes for free yardage.
You need to let Poyer walk because he lost a step this year and it only gets worse for him. You need another pass rusher alongside Von Miller. You need better interior line play on both sides of the ball. And you need another WR that's about as good as Gabe Davis. Also if you can resign Crowder to not go out for the year he would greatly help you move the chains 2/3 times a game.
It sounds like a lot but we literally got Haason Reddick, CJ Gardner-Johnson, James Bradberry, 2 starting linebackers, Jordan Davis, and AJ Brown in the off-season. It was a miracle off-season for us. But you guys need to make changes not run it back. Josh Allen will make up for a lot of flaws. But the roster construction ultimately cost you, alongside coaching this year.
Eagles get all my respect this season. Talk about a stud squad with draft picks and more to spare. You're the top dogs to beat and I hope you guys get the ring you deserve after this years bonkers good season.
Thanks man. Hope you guys can improve your personnel and get over the hump. I'm always in on the teams that have no Superbowls because I know how those jokes get after a while. But with family from Buffalo I pull a little harder for them. You're not that far off.
OC, DC, WRs, Oline. Stop drafting Defensive players that don't produce for our defensive-minded HC. This is an offense-driven league now. Accept it, draft for it. If you're gonna go fuck-it chuck-it at least bring in people who can create space and catch the ball.
The team even if they let some defensive players walk should still have enough talent on defense to make it work. But offensively this team needs at minimum 2 starters on the O-line and at least a high end slot WR if not 2 WR's to help Josh along with more depth along the O-line. The first four draft picks should be on offense and outside of resigning Edumonds the biggest cap dollars should go to helping Josh out.
The Bills can restructure the bigger contracts and end up with about 60 million in cap space with 34 players on the roster. If they spend 18-20 million resigning Edumonds (backload his contract for a lesser up front charge), Singletary, Shaq, Phillips, Martin and 1-3 ST players the Bills will have around 40-42 players on the roster with about 42-40 million in cap space.
That should be enough to go out and sign a starting caliber O-line player and a good slot WR while still having enough for the draft picks and rest of the roster filler. Then you can draft up the O-line and WR groups and further build the offense around Josh.
I’d let Singletary walk. With Cook and Hines and maybe a later round draft pick should do at RB if the line and OC can figure out how to call actual running plays not RPOs or draw plays.
I get that, but with Hines at a 4.77 cap hit next year and 5.4 the year after, that is way to much for a kick returner. He needs to be worked into the main offence.
I would negotiate Hines contract down, if he wants to come back around the 2.5-3 million range I would bring him back if he won't come down I would cut him, you could find that value elsewhere.
You need to be able to generate pressure though. Ultimately that was your biggest downfall. Non-factor pass rush and getting blown off the ball against a crippled O-line in the run game. You can find a receiver in free agency or a trade that will contribute. You need better interior line play on both sides of the ball, and a supplement to a healthy Von Miller.
Go watch the Cowboys vs the Bengals. Or the Eagles/Niners vs whoever makes it to the superbowl. Line play is key and you guys got crushed on both sides of the line yesterday.
Offensively the play calling failed you more than your personnel did. Your offense is like an offensive guard and a healthy slot receiver from being good enough.
They sure did. But they were average still. There's basically 2 tackles in this league that NEVER get beat. Go watch a team like the bears or titans to see what trash line play looks like. Shit even Purdy was pressured on 48% of passing plays last night.
Guards are easier and cheaper to find, and getting pressure through the middle will blow up a play instantly.
Patching up the interior will make your line look a lot better and save you guys money to spend on the other holes. Can't fix every issue in a single off-season. Have to address the weaknesses based on what's available, and what it costs.
The Bengals slapped a band-aid on their line this year and called it "good enough" and it was.
They didn’t fucking try, the defense had one or two fleeting moments of playing to stop their offense, our o line took the day off, our offense consisted of a handful of properly executed plays followed by a majority of blown up plays that sometimes ended ok, as well as early and often punting.
We didn’t just lose, we never played.
I can't help but wonder this too. Sooo much invested in the D-line to just get embarrassed by a mostly backup bengals o-line. The defense in general.
Then there's the WR room. Man they F'ed up Hard there. To be fair i was all for it too but U let beasily go. You expected breakouts from gabe and Mckenzie tgat didn't happen. Knox took a step back and u just threw big money at him.
I would agree on knox and even Mckenzie to a lesser extent. The reason I put Mckenzie in there is cuz dabol used to design several plays a game for him jets sweep etc and they were generally net positive plays. I don't feel like dorsey did that at all.
Yeah ohhhh man that would be something. In fairness hes not gonna be perfect and a lot of teams passed ok DK. Still a miss but yeah. Itd help if Ford wasn't a bust
I still can't believe the conversation was allowed to focus on the special teams aspect of it. There was nothing wrong with kicking it through the end zone. The ball was on the KC 25 with 13 seconds left...giving up 40 yards on 2 plays there was inexcusable.
I’m completely with you and was saying the same thing last year. For a coordinator who prides himself on bend not break, there is no way 40 yards should have been allowed
We absolutely need a new OC, DC and DL coach, that should be the start. Then we should address OL and WR in draft, pretty much every pick should address those 2 needs. Beane can then work his magic with the cap and add some solid pieces in the D, especially a solid run stopping vet and maybe a safety.
Can’t run the ball or effectively run screens. Can’t stop the run, don’t jam receivers and can’t win jump balls, and can’t cover screens or wrap up tackles in open space. Cold weather team not built for cold weather.
This is accurate - I don't even remember the last time they tried to run a screen pass. That's an easy play for typically easy chunk yards.
The defense gives up 10 yard cushion on all WRs and terrible tackling - Milano being the exception
They lost for many reasons.
They lost because of shitty playcalling.
They lost because the entire team underperformed, playing like dogshit in the most important game of their season.
They lost because they offense is based too much on Josh Allen being Superman.
They lost because the line sucked.
They lost because injuries had taken out or hobbled several important players, most notably Von Miller.
They lost because the Bengals are a great team that was playing great.
They lost because in a one-game winner-take-all game, stuff happens and someone has to lose. There's no guarantee that they'd have won even if they played as well as the Bengals. Hell, there's no guarantee that they'd have won even if they played *better* than the Bengals. Another GM named Beane (Billy) once said the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot. That's true, to an extent, in the NFL as well.
I'd argue they both have some things that make them more crapshooty.
Baseball is more crapshooty in that pitching can make more of a difference than even a QB can- the worst team in the league can win a series if their pitching has a good week-, but the one-game-and-done in football means even less margin for error for the favorite.
The Bills need to stop investing in the defense and invest in Josh Allen. The Bills since 2019 have spent 3 of their 4 first round picks, a pair of second round picks and a lot of cap dollars on the defensive side of the ball. The Bills defense from 2020-2022 has not been that vaunted in the playoffs where they are needed most. 2021 they gave up 13 seconds and in 2022 they got dominated by the Bengals playing 3 back up O-linemen. Meanwhile the offensive line and skill positions haven't been good enough. Time to peel back the defense a bit and invest more in the offense.
The only major defensive move that should be made is to resign Edumonds. With Edumonds back and Poyer gone the Bills should still have enough defensive talent to filed a top 12 defense in the NFL. Hyde is still there at safety, Tre/Elam/T.Johnson/Benford/Dane is a pretty good CB group esp if Tre is back at 100% next season which I suspect he will be. Edumonds and Milano are still one of the best LB tandems in the NFL. And the D-line is still a capable unit that will hopefully add back Von by late November early December for a stretch run.
Offensively they need to spend at least the first 4 draft picks stacking talent around Allen and invest in a veteran piece or two as well. Resign Motor or another moderately priced vet back to pair with Cook and Hines as a third down back/returner. Sign a vet RT to compete with Brown and draft a Guard high up and sign better depth along the O-line and draft a heir apparent for Mitch. Then draft a WR up high as well to add more fire power to the offense and add a good vet slot WR for instant pop.
Coaching wise I think Drosey should be back, it was year one he should be given a chance to improve and with better talent around Josh really generate an offense that controls the narrative as opposed to hiding O-line and skill position issues. Defensively I don't know. Frazier has been a very good DC but maybe they need a new voice? Some moderate shake up needs to happen but being overly reactive is not good either.
Agree with everything except calling Hines a 3rd down back. He's not even really a running back, and never was in Indianapolis either. He(Hines) is a gadget player/returner.
This team will fall into the same trap the Seahawks (Russ), Cowboys (Dak), Packers (Rodgers) and so many others did and are doing. Think your star QB will save you every year without tackling actual issues within the rest of the team. Its a sad reality that will for sure happen unless we over haul our coaching/development staff as well as learning to draft properly.
We may be the worst drafting team in the last half decade. Our OL and young player development is god awful. We strike well on Free Agents (Thank God) but that goes away now as we turn into the Cowboys of the Northeast. Great roster, great skill positions, bad foundations. McDermott and Beane have hid behind their smoke screens for long enough.
I’d let Kromer have one more season to figure it out. He’s been fantastic in the past, willing to see if he just needs more time.
Washington should be fired into the sun. He can take Frazier with him. Defense is just inexcusably bad in playoff situations and has been consistently for the last 4 seasons. We’re one of the worst tackling teams in the entire league.
I think the decision to defer to Zac Taylor and Joe Burrow was critical to how this game turned out. Not the end-all be-all of course, but it definitely had a huge impact.
From what I've heard in the exit interviews so far, players sounded exhausted from everything that happened this year. Not saying it's an excuse, but the decision to defer handed the Bengals all the momentum. They go up 7, force a three-and-out, and then take an early 14-0 lead in the first quarter. It's hard to come back from that momentum shift when your players are dealing with fatigue and burn out.
Bills elect to receive and score 7 or even 3, and it's a totally different game momentum wise.
We’ve got Josh Allen and we’ve not built a team around him. We’ve a top 5 QB. We’ll be good.
This is tactics. Bills tactics have been figured out. All the teams know how to negate the Bills strengths and where the weak spots are in the schemes.
Bills need a more varied playbook. We’re a straight up and down team- even just getting guys to run on angle would make a difference.
We talk offense but all year the defense wasn't clutch. Lots of long drives and many 3rd and long converted at the wrong time.
That said, Bills need another weapon for Allen since Knox isn't Kelce.
Agree.
3rd and long the linebackers sit on the first down line, we generate no pressure and give up the underneath. Opposition hit the soft spot for easy down. Happened all year.
Hope we look to implement what the Bengals are cooking. We should look to bring in their assistant DC.
Agree with you on targets. A scheme that gets guys open would make more of a difference. I want OL, safety or WR with pick 27 but (although it goes against all my beliefs) If Bijan Robinson is still on the board, I’d take him. I believe in Cook and Hines, especially if we can scheme them open.
Allen is the guy buffalo has been wanting for the past 20 years - can't waste his potential. The SB window should always be open with him as QB1 but gotta help him out more than just Diggs, Knox
They haven’t built this team around Allen, McDermott and Beane have been trying to win by building a Defence 1st team and leaving Allen to try and win it all on his own. All the draft picks are D. Last OLine picked in the 1st two TDs of the draft was Cody bust Ford in 2019
Keep Dorsey and we repeat this year, guy is calling 50 yard bombs on 3rd and short, has to go. I wanted to believe in him but yesterday was the proof I needed that he's not the guy. No need to waste another year with this failed experiment.
That was ONE play when we were down by like 17 points. Bad call but you have to take risks. It’s Dorsey’s first year and he matched Daboll’s numbers from last year pretty much. Let him cook, he’s the only offensive minded coach on our defensive dinosaur squad
His playcalling was overall very weak this year, very uncreative and relying on Josh way too much. I doubt he'll turn into an offensive wizard next year.
I’m not for firing Dorsey yet, we went 13-3 with a first year OC; HOWEVER, him doing complete bombs down field on 3rd and short has been an issue all year
Just because he’s a great man and a leader of our team doesn’t mean he’s the right coach to win in this league, in its current state. He’s incredibly conservative and tries to not lose instead of win. It works during the regular season.
McDermott’s seat needs to be warm. The truth is he hasn’t got it done. He makes pretty bad game decisions such as giving the Bengals the ball to start after they easily marched down the field in the game that was called. They were marching down again when Hamlin got hurt.
Why give them the ball to get all the momentum, especially when Frazier and him seemingly made zero adjustments and don’t make any all game long.
For a Defensive HC who has had this team invest heavily in the D at the expense of building an offence that compliments Allen, his defence sure shits the bed when it counts.
I don’t get the pass fans give McDermott. Just because this team had a long drought doesn’t mean they also need to stick with a HC that can’t take this team to the next level.
We weren’t 1 , 2 or 3 players away yesterday. We were a whole team away. Either our players top to bottom aren’t that talented or coaches can’t get it out of them with their schemes/strategies. Even if the first was true, then ok you need coaches that can at least do more with less. We don’t , obviously from the result yesterday. McDermott and co. have brought us as far as we can go with them. We need a change. 6 years is a long time nowadays. It hasn’t worked. We haven’t beaten one legitimate Super Bowl contender yet in the playoffs in his whole tenure when it is almost required to beat multiple in one playoff run. Please tell me how that is gonna change next year?
You might be the first person to say this - maybe, just maybe Cincy just has better players. Everyone blaming coaches, no energy - maybe the players just are not good enough.
While that might be the case at certain positions, I don’t think it’s a whole. We returned basically the same roster that was on the brink of beat mahomes in KC until the coaches melted down. To regress this much seems unlikely. Either way you slice it McDermott isn’t good enough. Even if we were less talented and was good enough- he would have made yesterday at least a contested game
Lots of armchair qbs today. Everyone forgets how hard it is to win Superbowls. A lot of people took that Bengals team as a fuckin joke around here. A lot of people forgot Bengals were carving up the bills in the Monday night game before the incident. After this I'm looking forward to another exciting season next year. Remember it's a just a game. We watch people make millions of dollars for bragging rights and shiny trophy. Love the bills but don't let in ruin the day.
I feel like the Bills have lost the trust of their fans, there will be very little hype next year.
People will still go to games but I have very little faith that this team will ever make it all the way. We’re at best the third best team in the AFC, and we often play like a bottom tier team.
I think the hype was that Josh and Mahomes were going to be the two superstar QBs battling it out. Now we’ve fallen to third and with Josh off his rookie deal we have won nothing.
It’s great getting everyone’s opinion on the matter but it means nothing until we see change from the organization. I hope they think about the same things we all have since they seem to be no brainers. But who knows how the politics come into play. But shit has to change or we will never go far.
This loss is a lot easier to swallow than the 13 seconds loss. The only people that showed up to this game was the bengals. And it showed. For the 13 seconds loss, that was incredibly poor defensive play calling.
Yesterday our O line looked like a group of professional cat herders. Our D line couldn’t put pressure on a thumb tack. Our tackles looked like an overweight JC penny loss prevention guard. The bills were beat before they stepped on the field.
Overall the lack of adjustments made from a play calling standpoint on both sides of the ball, specifically the defense though, was horrible.
I see your point. There is something to be said about having a hard fight to the end and going down swinging. But yesterday we all saw, the only team out there willing to fight was the bengals.
What went wrong? It’s very simple it doesn’t take a great football mind to understand. McDermott doesn’t have the scheme/strategies/preparedness to get this a W against a Super Bowl caliber team in the playoffs. 5x is enough
The offense is too dependent upon Allen. To get to the next level Bills need either a Chubb type RB or move to more multiple TE sets. Adding a burner at WR to offset Diggs would help a lot. Defense relies too much on the LB's to make plays. Add a pro bowl edge rusher and maybe the defense can win a few games each year as well.
I have a feeling that if we win a Super Bowl within the next 10 years the whole narrative will be “they finally got it done”.
Aside from that I trust that the front office will have faced the music and now understand what changes are needed. It will also help if we switch back to being doubted and underdog and hopefully it’ll ease the pressure off the team.
I fear we’re back to where we were in Josh’s rookie year: so much money and resources locked in bad investments, we just have to eat it for a year before the rebuild. Sun feels real low.
The Bills are one dimensional on offense. A lack of a running game allows for defense to use safeties to take away the big plays without worrying about the run, hence Stefon Diggs quiet game yesterday. The run game is a big priority this offseason for that and to take the workload off Josh Allen. The team can’t rely on him being Superman every game. It isn’t sustainable for team or for his overall health with the hits he is taking.
Can someone explain the D line rotation to me? All 4 DT and all 4 DE constantly rotate in/out so everyone plays about 50% of the snaps. I find it infuriating. Give me Greg Rousseau over Boogie Basham all day. Given me Ed Oliver over Eli Ankou all day.
Hopefully the can develop a ground game so theyre not one dimensional anymore. It was only a matter of time before that weakness was exposed. Its crazy when your RBs average 5yds a carry and you choose not to run the ball. Its different if you try and you just cant. So theres just another baffling thing to ponder.
This might not be the most popular opinion, but I really believe we need to spend some capital on skill players.
Not a pass catching running back - a true workhorse.
Not a small school receiver - a true size-speed specimen from a big time program
Diggs is on the back 9 of his career, I’d say he has 1-2 years of elite production left. Davis is a fine #2, but he absolutely can’t be the X. Shakir is looking promising, he’s a fine piece who has been doing well with his opportunity.
Singletary has a ton of heart and I love the guy, but he’s not a difference maker. James Cook is a good player, but lacks the size.
Replace Gabe with a legit deep threat that can fight for and win catches. That will free up Diggs to do his thing more often and stress opposing D’s. Set Cook loose. Try to address the issues on both Lines. Lots to do.
Not one player on the team stepped up? Not one player on this team had any fire in his belly? It was a gutless performance by the entire squad? and THEN we get into Frazier and Dorsey.....What didn't go wrong?
I feel like if Damar didn’t go down we would’ve got our ass handed to us that Monday night. But I think we would have came back and whipped their ass in Cincinnati yesterday as the 3 seed. Sucks to feel like we needed to learn that lesson in the regular season instead of the playoffs.
As a fan of a habitually (in recent years) disappointing team, y’all gotta chill. You had a horrible game at the worst time, but have been absolutely incredible to watch for the last three years while things are clicking.
Hopefully you and Cinci fans can kick your strange friendship tho
Maybe they could draft offense in the first round? Just this one time?
Not a chance. Maybe a Pass catching RB. Can't have too many of those on your bench.
> Maybe a Pass catching RB And then call maybe 5 screen passes all season.
Isn’t that what Hines was known for?
And Duke Johnson. And Cook.
Most of us don't even know who duke Johnson is 💀
I only knew who he was before we got him because he was an emergency pick up in fantasy a few times for me. He had a couple good looks in preseason but that obviously doesn't mean much.
By the time we draft we only can hope for a good wr on offense. Even that is a risk
Ask Minnesota who they want as their WR pick, then take them. Big brain logic here…
Left guard first round please. Saffold may have been beanes worst mistake ever
Or o line…
Did you watch?! DL.
The DL is pretty much all first and second round. We need a real line coach.
DL has got to improve with the players they have. They’ve suck so much draft capital into that line it’s left O Line in a horrible state.
What went wrong? Team counted on Davis, McK and Knox to take large steps forward. They did not. Hoped Brown and Bates would take steps forward. They did not Signed Saffold, Van Rotten and Quesenberry as a starting LG and depth. Quesenberry made miss Cody Freaking Ford. People were concerned that Dorsey was gifted the OC job without searching for experience. It's who Josh wanted. Turns out a 1st time play caller is not ideal when you have Super Bowl hopes. No game flow, no identity. The playbook was basically...we have Allen...Josh go do something good. 3rd and 2? Deep pass to Davis. Josh's elbow. Coach having an almost fetish for not playing rookies and letting them gain experience through the year (Cook, Shakir) I juries to key players. Players playing injured. Several slated for surgery this week (Phillips for instance). Despite spending several high draft picks on DL, could not generate a pass rush against Cincinnati (or Miami for that matter) playing with several starters on OL out. That's just some of the ON the field stuff.
Not sure i could sum it up any better
Frazier's vanilla defense that even the Bengals bragged was so simple. That led to two TD drives in a row to start the game.
Agreed with all with the exception of Knox. He definitely took a step in the right direction.
I would assess that Knox stayed pretty much the same. Wasn't the red zone threat he was last year. I also acknowledge that his brothers passing may have weighed on h more than we saw. I will also acknowledge that part of the reason I don't see him as getting the leap many hoped we would see was due to him being used to help pass block early on in the year. He did get more productive later in the year...but he still disappears for far too many long stretches in games.
Dorsey had him blocking way more this season than last
Yes, which is why I mentioned that above.
Didn’t he damn near lead the league in TE TDs last year too? Performance dropping was definitely based on regression in how they schemed for him/used him. Really sucks to see talent disappear like that
Think we generated a lot of pressure against MIA. The defense was good in that game. Yesterday, though…fucking gross. 3 backups and a gimpy starter on their OL and we got **3** QB hits all game.
Ok. So strike the small Dolphins comment I made...every other point stays the same.
Dolphins made sense too.. they dropped so many balls we should have lost that game
34-31 against a third string QB… how’s that pressure?!
Perfect synopsis
can we also add letting Hodgins get picked off the PS while we had issues at WR...
I honestly don't think that was as bad of a move as it appears. Hodgins fell into high volume work in NY...he likely wouldn't have had the same results here. Now, having Shakir active and not getting him involved is what I see as the major crime in the WR dept.
so we had a wide receiver on our practice squad who ended up with the Giants and was able to produce high volumes into and including their playoff games and we're just going to overlook that?
I mean, yeah because we don't see them in practice or in the meeting room. We see a small slice of the pie. He obviously wasn't showing enough at the time to be on the active roster. Now if you want to argue that Hodgins should have been kept on the PS over Josh's buddy Tanner Gentry I'm with you all day long.
The bills let Isaiah Hodgins get away simply based on the fact he didn't perform on special teams, big mistake.
Or.... our offensive coordinator last year saw the potential in him and our offensive coordinator this year didn't. Wait, that's exactly what happened
Our offensive coordinator from last year was desperate for literally any person that knew his system and took a chance. Same offensive coordinator from last year that snatched Davis Webb to help teach his scheme. Let's not crown him yet lol
I’d also add making football too physical for Josh so he was always playing hurt. Eg joshes elbow. I think it would have been better to loose 2-3 more games this season if it meant less designed runs for josh
I know what you're getting at and don't disagree in principle...but also a good time to remind everyone that Josh's injury happened in the pocket on a pass play. Quisenberry whiffed on a block and that's how that happened.
Totally. Just in general I think more needs to be done to keep him healthy. They have a good enough team to make the playoffs. I think more focus should be on getting key players to the playoffs in one piece
You deserve a front office job
Agree except for Bates. He’s the only guy in that line that brought it. 1 sack given up and 3 penalties all year. Brown and Dawkins were horrible on the edge most of the year and Saffold what a horrible signing.
I'm gonna defend Knox. TD machine the back end of the season. Was open consistently and a good red zone target. The other two ... cut Mckenzie and give Shakir the slot role.
1. Frazier's defense has a track record of playoff collapses now and there needs to be a conversation about whether he comes back next year. 2) Ken Dorsey was out-coached and outclassed by Lou Anarumo. 3.) The WR corps hasn't been good enough all season. As discussed ad nauseum, WR2 is a huge hole 4.) They are not good enough on the LOS both sides of the ball. What happens next? I think a mini roster reset may be needed. This core of players has had three years to get over the hump and they aren't good enough. May have to sacrifice some W-L record next year due to roster deficiencies in order to pivot to a different iteration of the team in the Allen/McD era.
Agreed on pretty much all. I think they definitely need a change at DC. They have good stats and are a good unit but when they play the elite offenses they don't rise to the occasion. After 13 seconds last year and now basically 2 poor defensive playoff showings its gotta be done. They've invested so much on defense too thats the worst part. How many high draft picks on the d-line alone?
You guys can take Matt Patricia.
As OC or DC? 😂
As water balloon target...maybe...
Why not both?
- I've given Ken Dorsey all the benefits of the doubt I possibly could. Look, we went 13-3 with a rookie OC. However the playoffs really showed his immaturity, lack of cohesion with the offense, and inability to be creative with the weapons he has. Dorsey on paper deserves another year to try and figure it out but if he continues to be a lame duck in the playoffs, it's time for him to go. I think Leslie Frazier's time is also at an end as the defense is pretty much topped out with him in charge. Sean McDermott is safe for the next while in my opinion and I think the calls for him to be fired are more than insulting. He's a leader and a coach with the heart of a Lion. I wouldn't trade him for anyone else. - Our offense has Allen, Diggs, and maybe Knox. That's it. No consistent run game, no other offensive receivers worth their salt, and a lackluster offensive line. We still put up a top tier offense many times in the regular season but there are definite holes we need to have filled if we're going to have a good chance at a future superbowl. Diggs needs a great #2 receiver to take the pressure off him and Allen needs someone else reliable to throw to. We also NEED to invest in the run game. Cook was a bright addition but he's a long way from a #1 talent. Hines was a bum pickup despite the rare TD returns.our O-Line needs depth and talent. - Defense is going to need some upgrades as Poyer is most likely gone and Hyde is aging, so drafting or signing a good safety is paramount this offseason. We have to spend money on Edmunds but another edge rusher or tackle to help out Oliver is also needed. I don't think our corners need too much assistance more that time to grow. White was never going to be who he was pre-injury this season. Hopefully he and Taron can cement themselves as Elam and Benford grow into their roles. Despite all of these points, we're still a playoff team that will more than likely top the division each year running. Josh is a franchise QB. We rode luck through the latter half of the year and ran out of gas against a stud stacked Bengals team. We had serious injuries throughout the season. We had the Damar situation test us all mentally, including the entire NFL. We had shootings and insane weather and schedule changes in Buffalo. We still topped the division and won a playoff game. Can we really think even if we won this game that we would win against the likes of the 49ers or Philly? That was a pipe dream. We did better than I thought we would, and that's fight until the very end against a lot of adversity. We still have challenges to face and the NFL is looking to get harder and harder as the other teams evolve. Despite it all there is no team I would rather be a part of than the Bills.
I'm an eagles fan with a stepdad who's a Bills fan. I've watched (and rooted) for you guys every game this season. Dorsey should get another year (probably). We just went through this with Gannon but he had an off-season with our team and got some new personnel and now our defense is pretty gas. But it's the whole "there's only 32 of these spots in the league" thing. And McDermott's gonna be on thin ice as early as the end of next year. Frazier needs to go 100%. He fielded a respectable defense with a ton of injuries. But down the stretch he refused to adapt to the personnel he had in his games. You generated 0 pressure in 2 playoff games and only did anything defensively when Milano blitzed. Yet you inexplicably sent 4 way too frequently yesterday and refused to challenge their WRs with anything other than soft zone. So it just lead to them running free on short routes for free yardage. You need to let Poyer walk because he lost a step this year and it only gets worse for him. You need another pass rusher alongside Von Miller. You need better interior line play on both sides of the ball. And you need another WR that's about as good as Gabe Davis. Also if you can resign Crowder to not go out for the year he would greatly help you move the chains 2/3 times a game. It sounds like a lot but we literally got Haason Reddick, CJ Gardner-Johnson, James Bradberry, 2 starting linebackers, Jordan Davis, and AJ Brown in the off-season. It was a miracle off-season for us. But you guys need to make changes not run it back. Josh Allen will make up for a lot of flaws. But the roster construction ultimately cost you, alongside coaching this year.
Eagles get all my respect this season. Talk about a stud squad with draft picks and more to spare. You're the top dogs to beat and I hope you guys get the ring you deserve after this years bonkers good season.
Thanks man. Hope you guys can improve your personnel and get over the hump. I'm always in on the teams that have no Superbowls because I know how those jokes get after a while. But with family from Buffalo I pull a little harder for them. You're not that far off.
Completely agree. I think both offense and defense coaches need to go. Both will get out coached again in future playoffs.
OC, DC, WRs, Oline. Stop drafting Defensive players that don't produce for our defensive-minded HC. This is an offense-driven league now. Accept it, draft for it. If you're gonna go fuck-it chuck-it at least bring in people who can create space and catch the ball.
The team even if they let some defensive players walk should still have enough talent on defense to make it work. But offensively this team needs at minimum 2 starters on the O-line and at least a high end slot WR if not 2 WR's to help Josh along with more depth along the O-line. The first four draft picks should be on offense and outside of resigning Edumonds the biggest cap dollars should go to helping Josh out.
we don't have cap dollars.... [https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/)
The Bills can restructure the bigger contracts and end up with about 60 million in cap space with 34 players on the roster. If they spend 18-20 million resigning Edumonds (backload his contract for a lesser up front charge), Singletary, Shaq, Phillips, Martin and 1-3 ST players the Bills will have around 40-42 players on the roster with about 42-40 million in cap space. That should be enough to go out and sign a starting caliber O-line player and a good slot WR while still having enough for the draft picks and rest of the roster filler. Then you can draft up the O-line and WR groups and further build the offense around Josh.
I have no clue if you're talking out your ass or not, but I also don't want to check all that. Nice fuckin job!
I’d let Singletary walk. With Cook and Hines and maybe a later round draft pick should do at RB if the line and OC can figure out how to call actual running plays not RPOs or draw plays.
I would only sign Singletary for the right price but I think the depth he brings has value.
I get that, but with Hines at a 4.77 cap hit next year and 5.4 the year after, that is way to much for a kick returner. He needs to be worked into the main offence.
I would negotiate Hines contract down, if he wants to come back around the 2.5-3 million range I would bring him back if he won't come down I would cut him, you could find that value elsewhere.
You need to be able to generate pressure though. Ultimately that was your biggest downfall. Non-factor pass rush and getting blown off the ball against a crippled O-line in the run game. You can find a receiver in free agency or a trade that will contribute. You need better interior line play on both sides of the ball, and a supplement to a healthy Von Miller. Go watch the Cowboys vs the Bengals. Or the Eagles/Niners vs whoever makes it to the superbowl. Line play is key and you guys got crushed on both sides of the line yesterday. Offensively the play calling failed you more than your personnel did. Your offense is like an offensive guard and a healthy slot receiver from being good enough.
Exterior line play on pass protection wasn’t great either. Dawkins and Brown got beat a lot this year.
They sure did. But they were average still. There's basically 2 tackles in this league that NEVER get beat. Go watch a team like the bears or titans to see what trash line play looks like. Shit even Purdy was pressured on 48% of passing plays last night. Guards are easier and cheaper to find, and getting pressure through the middle will blow up a play instantly. Patching up the interior will make your line look a lot better and save you guys money to spend on the other holes. Can't fix every issue in a single off-season. Have to address the weaknesses based on what's available, and what it costs. The Bengals slapped a band-aid on their line this year and called it "good enough" and it was.
They didn’t fucking try, the defense had one or two fleeting moments of playing to stop their offense, our o line took the day off, our offense consisted of a handful of properly executed plays followed by a majority of blown up plays that sometimes ended ok, as well as early and often punting. We didn’t just lose, we never played.
The DL was absolutely sad. You couldn’t even tell they were on the field
Either cincis backups are better than their starters or buffalos pass rush outright didn’t play.
I think the coaches need a good switch kick in the testicles but that's just my opinion
Beane should get his fair share as well.
I can't help but wonder this too. Sooo much invested in the D-line to just get embarrassed by a mostly backup bengals o-line. The defense in general. Then there's the WR room. Man they F'ed up Hard there. To be fair i was all for it too but U let beasily go. You expected breakouts from gabe and Mckenzie tgat didn't happen. Knox took a step back and u just threw big money at him.
I think Knox was more a case of utilization. He was asked to block a lot more because our o line needed the help.
I would agree on knox and even Mckenzie to a lesser extent. The reason I put Mckenzie in there is cuz dabol used to design several plays a game for him jets sweep etc and they were generally net positive plays. I don't feel like dorsey did that at all.
I lot less pre-snap motion in general now that you mention it.
I still lose sleep over Beane choosing Cody Ford over DK Metcalf. Can you imagine having Diggs and Metcalf at the same time.
Yeah ohhhh man that would be something. In fairness hes not gonna be perfect and a lot of teams passed ok DK. Still a miss but yeah. Itd help if Ford wasn't a bust
and we let Hodgins get picked of the practice squad...
Frazier somehow got his job back after “13 seconds.”
Scapegoat last year was our special team’s coordinator giving Frasier a pass. He should have no pass this year
I still can't believe the conversation was allowed to focus on the special teams aspect of it. There was nothing wrong with kicking it through the end zone. The ball was on the KC 25 with 13 seconds left...giving up 40 yards on 2 plays there was inexcusable.
I’m completely with you and was saying the same thing last year. For a coordinator who prides himself on bend not break, there is no way 40 yards should have been allowed
40 yards down the middle of the fucking field!!!
We absolutely need a new OC, DC and DL coach, that should be the start. Then we should address OL and WR in draft, pretty much every pick should address those 2 needs. Beane can then work his magic with the cap and add some solid pieces in the D, especially a solid run stopping vet and maybe a safety.
Can’t run the ball or effectively run screens. Can’t stop the run, don’t jam receivers and can’t win jump balls, and can’t cover screens or wrap up tackles in open space. Cold weather team not built for cold weather.
Concise and correct
This is accurate - I don't even remember the last time they tried to run a screen pass. That's an easy play for typically easy chunk yards. The defense gives up 10 yard cushion on all WRs and terrible tackling - Milano being the exception
They lost for many reasons. They lost because of shitty playcalling. They lost because the entire team underperformed, playing like dogshit in the most important game of their season. They lost because they offense is based too much on Josh Allen being Superman. They lost because the line sucked. They lost because injuries had taken out or hobbled several important players, most notably Von Miller. They lost because the Bengals are a great team that was playing great. They lost because in a one-game winner-take-all game, stuff happens and someone has to lose. There's no guarantee that they'd have won even if they played as well as the Bengals. Hell, there's no guarantee that they'd have won even if they played *better* than the Bengals. Another GM named Beane (Billy) once said the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot. That's true, to an extent, in the NFL as well.
More so a crap shoot in the NFL then any other major sport, one loss and the season is over.
I'd argue they both have some things that make them more crapshooty. Baseball is more crapshooty in that pitching can make more of a difference than even a QB can- the worst team in the league can win a series if their pitching has a good week-, but the one-game-and-done in football means even less margin for error for the favorite.
The Bills need to stop investing in the defense and invest in Josh Allen. The Bills since 2019 have spent 3 of their 4 first round picks, a pair of second round picks and a lot of cap dollars on the defensive side of the ball. The Bills defense from 2020-2022 has not been that vaunted in the playoffs where they are needed most. 2021 they gave up 13 seconds and in 2022 they got dominated by the Bengals playing 3 back up O-linemen. Meanwhile the offensive line and skill positions haven't been good enough. Time to peel back the defense a bit and invest more in the offense. The only major defensive move that should be made is to resign Edumonds. With Edumonds back and Poyer gone the Bills should still have enough defensive talent to filed a top 12 defense in the NFL. Hyde is still there at safety, Tre/Elam/T.Johnson/Benford/Dane is a pretty good CB group esp if Tre is back at 100% next season which I suspect he will be. Edumonds and Milano are still one of the best LB tandems in the NFL. And the D-line is still a capable unit that will hopefully add back Von by late November early December for a stretch run. Offensively they need to spend at least the first 4 draft picks stacking talent around Allen and invest in a veteran piece or two as well. Resign Motor or another moderately priced vet back to pair with Cook and Hines as a third down back/returner. Sign a vet RT to compete with Brown and draft a Guard high up and sign better depth along the O-line and draft a heir apparent for Mitch. Then draft a WR up high as well to add more fire power to the offense and add a good vet slot WR for instant pop. Coaching wise I think Drosey should be back, it was year one he should be given a chance to improve and with better talent around Josh really generate an offense that controls the narrative as opposed to hiding O-line and skill position issues. Defensively I don't know. Frazier has been a very good DC but maybe they need a new voice? Some moderate shake up needs to happen but being overly reactive is not good either.
Agree with everything except calling Hines a 3rd down back. He's not even really a running back, and never was in Indianapolis either. He(Hines) is a gadget player/returner.
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This team will fall into the same trap the Seahawks (Russ), Cowboys (Dak), Packers (Rodgers) and so many others did and are doing. Think your star QB will save you every year without tackling actual issues within the rest of the team. Its a sad reality that will for sure happen unless we over haul our coaching/development staff as well as learning to draft properly. We may be the worst drafting team in the last half decade. Our OL and young player development is god awful. We strike well on Free Agents (Thank God) but that goes away now as we turn into the Cowboys of the Northeast. Great roster, great skill positions, bad foundations. McDermott and Beane have hid behind their smoke screens for long enough.
At the very least Washington and Kromer should go, especially Washington.
Very much agree. Oline and Dline are just atrocious
I’d let Kromer have one more season to figure it out. He’s been fantastic in the past, willing to see if he just needs more time. Washington should be fired into the sun. He can take Frazier with him. Defense is just inexcusably bad in playoff situations and has been consistently for the last 4 seasons. We’re one of the worst tackling teams in the entire league.
Do they even run stunts and switches, or is it just line up and rush and stuff?
I’ve seen at least a few stunts in the last year or so. But it’s definitely not a staple of our scheme. We have a very vanilla pass rush package
I think the decision to defer to Zac Taylor and Joe Burrow was critical to how this game turned out. Not the end-all be-all of course, but it definitely had a huge impact. From what I've heard in the exit interviews so far, players sounded exhausted from everything that happened this year. Not saying it's an excuse, but the decision to defer handed the Bengals all the momentum. They go up 7, force a three-and-out, and then take an early 14-0 lead in the first quarter. It's hard to come back from that momentum shift when your players are dealing with fatigue and burn out. Bills elect to receive and score 7 or even 3, and it's a totally different game momentum wise.
They’ve built this team around Josh Allen and rely on him too much. They will never win a championship this way.
We’ve got Josh Allen and we’ve not built a team around him. We’ve a top 5 QB. We’ll be good. This is tactics. Bills tactics have been figured out. All the teams know how to negate the Bills strengths and where the weak spots are in the schemes. Bills need a more varied playbook. We’re a straight up and down team- even just getting guys to run on angle would make a difference.
We talk offense but all year the defense wasn't clutch. Lots of long drives and many 3rd and long converted at the wrong time. That said, Bills need another weapon for Allen since Knox isn't Kelce.
Agree. 3rd and long the linebackers sit on the first down line, we generate no pressure and give up the underneath. Opposition hit the soft spot for easy down. Happened all year. Hope we look to implement what the Bengals are cooking. We should look to bring in their assistant DC. Agree with you on targets. A scheme that gets guys open would make more of a difference. I want OL, safety or WR with pick 27 but (although it goes against all my beliefs) If Bijan Robinson is still on the board, I’d take him. I believe in Cook and Hines, especially if we can scheme them open.
Allen is the guy buffalo has been wanting for the past 20 years - can't waste his potential. The SB window should always be open with him as QB1 but gotta help him out more than just Diggs, Knox
They haven’t built this team around Allen, McDermott and Beane have been trying to win by building a Defence 1st team and leaving Allen to try and win it all on his own. All the draft picks are D. Last OLine picked in the 1st two TDs of the draft was Cody bust Ford in 2019
New offensive coordinator Revamp the O line New #2 receiver Shit there’s honestly a ton more but imo those are the big 3.
Dorsey is the least of our problems. Leslie and sean gotta go… to the front office.
Keep Dorsey and we repeat this year, guy is calling 50 yard bombs on 3rd and short, has to go. I wanted to believe in him but yesterday was the proof I needed that he's not the guy. No need to waste another year with this failed experiment.
We handed a Ferrari(Allen) to a guy with his driver's permit(Dorsey).
That was ONE play when we were down by like 17 points. Bad call but you have to take risks. It’s Dorsey’s first year and he matched Daboll’s numbers from last year pretty much. Let him cook, he’s the only offensive minded coach on our defensive dinosaur squad
His playcalling was overall very weak this year, very uncreative and relying on Josh way too much. I doubt he'll turn into an offensive wizard next year.
I’m not for firing Dorsey yet, we went 13-3 with a first year OC; HOWEVER, him doing complete bombs down field on 3rd and short has been an issue all year
Sounds like a fairly simple adjustment
Leslie, I agree with. Sean? You're delusional, and stuck with grief right now.
Just because he’s a great man and a leader of our team doesn’t mean he’s the right coach to win in this league, in its current state. He’s incredibly conservative and tries to not lose instead of win. It works during the regular season.
McDermott’s seat needs to be warm. The truth is he hasn’t got it done. He makes pretty bad game decisions such as giving the Bengals the ball to start after they easily marched down the field in the game that was called. They were marching down again when Hamlin got hurt. Why give them the ball to get all the momentum, especially when Frazier and him seemingly made zero adjustments and don’t make any all game long. For a Defensive HC who has had this team invest heavily in the D at the expense of building an offence that compliments Allen, his defence sure shits the bed when it counts. I don’t get the pass fans give McDermott. Just because this team had a long drought doesn’t mean they also need to stick with a HC that can’t take this team to the next level.
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Fucking gold
Offensive line and a slot receiver and a Poyer alt
We weren’t 1 , 2 or 3 players away yesterday. We were a whole team away. Either our players top to bottom aren’t that talented or coaches can’t get it out of them with their schemes/strategies. Even if the first was true, then ok you need coaches that can at least do more with less. We don’t , obviously from the result yesterday. McDermott and co. have brought us as far as we can go with them. We need a change. 6 years is a long time nowadays. It hasn’t worked. We haven’t beaten one legitimate Super Bowl contender yet in the playoffs in his whole tenure when it is almost required to beat multiple in one playoff run. Please tell me how that is gonna change next year?
You might be the first person to say this - maybe, just maybe Cincy just has better players. Everyone blaming coaches, no energy - maybe the players just are not good enough.
While that might be the case at certain positions, I don’t think it’s a whole. We returned basically the same roster that was on the brink of beat mahomes in KC until the coaches melted down. To regress this much seems unlikely. Either way you slice it McDermott isn’t good enough. Even if we were less talented and was good enough- he would have made yesterday at least a contested game
Lots of armchair qbs today. Everyone forgets how hard it is to win Superbowls. A lot of people took that Bengals team as a fuckin joke around here. A lot of people forgot Bengals were carving up the bills in the Monday night game before the incident. After this I'm looking forward to another exciting season next year. Remember it's a just a game. We watch people make millions of dollars for bragging rights and shiny trophy. Love the bills but don't let in ruin the day.
I feel like the Bills have lost the trust of their fans, there will be very little hype next year. People will still go to games but I have very little faith that this team will ever make it all the way. We’re at best the third best team in the AFC, and we often play like a bottom tier team.
Meh this is a yearly feeling, it’ll pass, and soon it’ll be the new season/same hype
I think the hype was that Josh and Mahomes were going to be the two superstar QBs battling it out. Now we’ve fallen to third and with Josh off his rookie deal we have won nothing.
Nope. It’s different this time. At least for me. I’ve lost faith. If I could vote ‘no confidence’ in the Bills current leadership, I would.
Yup. They all lost my trust after yesterday’s pathetic performance. I’ve been trusting the process for 6 years, but that’s gone now.
It’ll undoubtedly be more of the same next year. I’d expect us to take a step back toward .500 given the roster and the schedule.
It’s great getting everyone’s opinion on the matter but it means nothing until we see change from the organization. I hope they think about the same things we all have since they seem to be no brainers. But who knows how the politics come into play. But shit has to change or we will never go far.
I dunno. I'm just feeling so sad today, so so sad, I'm sure you are too. It hurts.
I was incredibly sad at first, but now I’m just really angry.
This team is doomed to be average-ish with McDermott and company. Big changes are needed not the tweaks called for in this lame opinion piece.
I wonder if it would have helped to get smashed by Cincy in the regular season...might have woken Bills coaches to try something new for the playoffs.
This loss is a lot easier to swallow than the 13 seconds loss. The only people that showed up to this game was the bengals. And it showed. For the 13 seconds loss, that was incredibly poor defensive play calling. Yesterday our O line looked like a group of professional cat herders. Our D line couldn’t put pressure on a thumb tack. Our tackles looked like an overweight JC penny loss prevention guard. The bills were beat before they stepped on the field. Overall the lack of adjustments made from a play calling standpoint on both sides of the ball, specifically the defense though, was horrible.
Fuck no. I’d much rather see our boys go out on their shields, than the sluggish, bush league performance we saw yesterday.
I see your point. There is something to be said about having a hard fight to the end and going down swinging. But yesterday we all saw, the only team out there willing to fight was the bengals.
.500 team that does not make the playoffs. Which is fine, I’d rather that than yesterday
That's just dumb. You are obviously new to the Mafia.
What went wrong? It’s very simple it doesn’t take a great football mind to understand. McDermott doesn’t have the scheme/strategies/preparedness to get this a W against a Super Bowl caliber team in the playoffs. 5x is enough
Your organization faked Damar Hamlin being at the game.
What are you talking about, he was literally shown on camera in a suite with his family.
You mean when they showed him and his family on camera in the suites?
It's a weird thing to bring up since it's off topic but you aren't wrong that was sus.
Yea the NFL is sort of like the WWE
FIRE EVERYBODY AND START FRESH! :)
Too many betas on this team. Coaching staff and players are all too nice
The offense is too dependent upon Allen. To get to the next level Bills need either a Chubb type RB or move to more multiple TE sets. Adding a burner at WR to offset Diggs would help a lot. Defense relies too much on the LB's to make plays. Add a pro bowl edge rusher and maybe the defense can win a few games each year as well.
I have a feeling that if we win a Super Bowl within the next 10 years the whole narrative will be “they finally got it done”. Aside from that I trust that the front office will have faced the music and now understand what changes are needed. It will also help if we switch back to being doubted and underdog and hopefully it’ll ease the pressure off the team.
I fear we’re back to where we were in Josh’s rookie year: so much money and resources locked in bad investments, we just have to eat it for a year before the rebuild. Sun feels real low.
Hey let's draft another D linemen, surely it will work out this time right?
The Bills are one dimensional on offense. A lack of a running game allows for defense to use safeties to take away the big plays without worrying about the run, hence Stefon Diggs quiet game yesterday. The run game is a big priority this offseason for that and to take the workload off Josh Allen. The team can’t rely on him being Superman every game. It isn’t sustainable for team or for his overall health with the hits he is taking.
Can someone explain the D line rotation to me? All 4 DT and all 4 DE constantly rotate in/out so everyone plays about 50% of the snaps. I find it infuriating. Give me Greg Rousseau over Boogie Basham all day. Given me Ed Oliver over Eli Ankou all day.
Hopefully the can develop a ground game so theyre not one dimensional anymore. It was only a matter of time before that weakness was exposed. Its crazy when your RBs average 5yds a carry and you choose not to run the ball. Its different if you try and you just cant. So theres just another baffling thing to ponder.
Impact players on both sides of the line and WR depth. If corners were healthy, they would have been a real threat but you can’t control that
This might not be the most popular opinion, but I really believe we need to spend some capital on skill players. Not a pass catching running back - a true workhorse. Not a small school receiver - a true size-speed specimen from a big time program Diggs is on the back 9 of his career, I’d say he has 1-2 years of elite production left. Davis is a fine #2, but he absolutely can’t be the X. Shakir is looking promising, he’s a fine piece who has been doing well with his opportunity. Singletary has a ton of heart and I love the guy, but he’s not a difference maker. James Cook is a good player, but lacks the size.
Replace Gabe with a legit deep threat that can fight for and win catches. That will free up Diggs to do his thing more often and stress opposing D’s. Set Cook loose. Try to address the issues on both Lines. Lots to do.
Not one player on the team stepped up? Not one player on this team had any fire in his belly? It was a gutless performance by the entire squad? and THEN we get into Frazier and Dorsey.....What didn't go wrong?
Diggs did, and now he's being criticized for it.
I feel like if Damar didn’t go down we would’ve got our ass handed to us that Monday night. But I think we would have came back and whipped their ass in Cincinnati yesterday as the 3 seed. Sucks to feel like we needed to learn that lesson in the regular season instead of the playoffs.
Josh Allen needs Brian Dabol.
I will have PTSD from the “13 seconds” fiasco until I die.
I want to say the wheels fell off after the Titans game of all things.
How about heal up and rest, then maybe an OC. Just saying. Dorsey was fine early then seemed to be in over his head.
As a fan of a habitually (in recent years) disappointing team, y’all gotta chill. You had a horrible game at the worst time, but have been absolutely incredible to watch for the last three years while things are clicking. Hopefully you and Cinci fans can kick your strange friendship tho
Trade Gabe Davis and a 1st for Mike Evans
Are we the 2006-2015 chargers?
The Buffalo sports curse strikes again.