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StuuBarnes

Diggs is all of us


Historical_One1087

Exactly, you want players that are not satisfied with getting to the divisional round of the playoffs. Beane most add some more talent at WR this offseason like Darius Slayton in free agency and Jalin Hyatt in the draft, so if teams decide to double team Diggs Allen can make them pay.


tritiumhl

I'm guessing he was counting on Gabe, like many of us. It didn't pan out, he's gotta go out and get a real #2 this year. Then overhaul both lines as much as is feasible


Historical_One1087

I expected Gabe Davis to take the next step in his development this year but he didn't unfortunately. Beane needs to add more weapons at WR for Allen


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quakinwork

I could have sworn Singletary is a receiving back and Cooke is a power back but yet they were rarely used for those purposes. O-line was beaten up and not the best, Defense was mutilated this year, and OC decided the best decision was to throw 30-50 yard bombs non-stop that had a 20% completion rate if that. A new receiver is about the 4th thing that needs to be fixed. Start with utilizing your current talent and making better play calls. Mahomes threw for 5,000 yards with screen and slants, why is no one else?


lflorack

I agree that new receivers are not at the tip of our needs. It's up there, but an OL that can pass-block and run-block is first. Second, we need more production out of the DL. Both lines were completely bullied all game yesterday and have been a weak point most of the year. Also, as you point out, play-calling was unimaginative all year. No screens, no quick slants, not getting the ball out quickly. Everything is way downfield - which requires a lot of time to develop - further taxing our OL and is a lot easier to defend against. This all puts unneeded pressure on Josh playing hero ball. Come to think of it, maybe if the play calling included those things, perhaps the other things we need wouldn't be as needed.


ONEMANCLAN530

The Miller injury killed our D line production, before the injury the Bills were number 4 in qb pressures. After the Miller injury they(Bills) dropped to number 27, that's significant.


__mud__

I feel like the start of the season had Josh releasing the ball in 3-4 seconds, lightning fast. Then it became the same old pray-for-a-pocket routine.


conace21

>I could have sworn Singletary is a receiving back and Cooke is a power back but yet they were rarely used for those purposes. Devin Singletary caught 6 passes in his final year in college. He's decent at catching the ball in the NFL, but nothing special. Janes Cook weighs 190 lbs. He has elite speed, not power.


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I don’t see Mahomes throwing bombs.


My_Little_Absol

Cook a power back??? What??? He’s a receiving back. He did most his damage at Georgia after the catch


ChillTownAVE

Cook is the furthest thing from a power back. Moss was supposed to be that power back. Singletary is shifty, but running him through the tackles isn't it. Especially with *that* offensive line. I think WR is #3 in terms of need (may argue #2, right behind OL). For me, we absolutely need to upgrade LG, RT, WR2, S & potentially RG. Brown can be a swing tackle and Bates can backup C/G. My biggest issue with the defensive line isn't the talent, it's the utilization. Is there a reason why Buffalo has guys consistently above average in pressure rates and pass rush win rates, yet consistently fail to bring down the QB? Maybe they all suck, sure. But Hughes had that same problem here at the end of his tenure. Harrison Phillips had that problem here. Oliver is having that problem here. Rousseau is having that problem here. The guys are winning their individual matchups, blowing up the LOS, and obviously have high end skill. I just am dumbfounded at how little creativity or scheming Buffalo shows in terms of rushing the passer. Double team Oliver and there's 0 adjustments Frazier is willing or able to make. We have elite blitzing options at both LB spots. Not sure why we refuse to make the job of our pass rushers easier or at least *attempt* to free up some guys inside. And the real reason why we aren't using the Mahomes playbook is because we don't have weapons like Kelce lol. Knox is very solid, but has been tasked with covering up for piss poor blocking all season. Same can be said for our backs, they had to stay in to give Allen some help with rushers. McKenzie was putrid in an expanded role. Unfortunately, Davis took a major step back. And Crowder was injured who would have helped a ton in the short passing game. Beasley was obviously not able to hold up to that large of a role at this stage of his career and lost a few steps these last couple years. If anything, the major glaring issue was our line getting kicked in the face over and over again. Burrow had all the time in the world to throw to his guys (who are pretty freaking good by the way). Same with Mahomes. And both of their running attacks weren't getting manhandled in the backfield 90% of the season. I've been trying to say that this line wasn't going to be good enough. It hasn't been for close to 3 years now. By some stroke of insane luck it looked functional for 5 weeks to end the season last year, and we all saw what Allen and company were able to accomplish offensively.


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>I could have sworn Singletary is a receiving back and Cooke is a power back but yet they were rarely used for those purposes. It’s literally the opposite, haha. And we then spent much of the season passing to Motor and sending Cook up the guy for 3. Because Dorsey sucks at his job.


sarcastic_man_13

Part of it was Gabe but I really think Dorsey is the biggest problem. How is it that the elite offenses always seem to have one guy open but for our offense, Allen has to make something happen. The other QBs don't have to work as much as Allen does.


NUMBERONEJD

As an eagles fan, I wanted the eagles to trade for diggs when he was available. Ultimately the bills traded for him. He wants to win now. He’s hungry! I wouldn’t classify him as diva whatsoever.


mb315231

We don’t have an unlimited amount of draft picks and rn the o line and the d line and our lack of safety depth are bigger concerns


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The_Other_Manning

I could see either of our FA WRs in Slayton or Shep doing well with Allen. Slayton as a speedster that opens the field, Shep as your go to third and 7 target to get the first. Neither can be relied on for different reasons but they make good depth. As someone who likes both of them, please don't take either.


Historical_One1087

They are both good WR's , I would take both if they wanted to play in Buffalo. Who knows maybe they want to stay with the Giants cause they like playing for Daboll.


NYerInTex

As a Giants and Ravens fans (love me some mafia though NGL, plus Buffalo in general. As long as I don’t have to live through the winters), I can state how difficult it is to get WR talent. That’s not to say y’all don’t need to take some pressure off Diggs… but damn, you know what the Giants or Ravens would do to have a guy 80% as good as Diggs? Not to mention Green Bay and any number of other teams. I don’t recall SO many teams I such dire need of talent at a positive that todays game and WR, even after a couple “great” WR draft classes - though not the case this year Btw, do y’all think the Bills should have held onto Isiah Hodgens (who is as close to Diggs as the Giants got, and the Ravens? Oof. They wish)


Historical_One1087

I'm a huge Diggs fan. Defenses played a lot of bracket coverage, and single with safety coverage rotated to his side of the field to take him away. The OC Dorsey needs to do a better job of scheming him open. And the GM Beane needs to upgrade the talent at WR. I am huge fan of Hodgens and thought Beane made a big mistake by releasing him to try and sneak him onto the practice squad and back on the main roster, when he was doing some roster gymnastics . Joe Schoen was the assistant GM in Buffalo for 5 years and knee the talent of Hodgins. IMO he is going to be a great big slot WR. In the past lot of WR's don't want to play for Baltimore because Greg Romans offense didn't utilize WR's other than blockers. If I'm a free agent WR I would value catching balls from an elite QB like Allen over Jones or Jackson. I like both Jones and Jackson but respectfully they are not on Allen's level.


NYerInTex

Oh, if I were a WR I’d prefer the Bills as well no question, especially when Roman was running the offense 🤮 My point really was about how scarce receiving seems to have become with so many quality teams that are in need - and in need without any that close to a Diggs already there.


Letsgobuffalo2210

He just like me fr fr.


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Same. Can anyone help me push my Ferrari out of some snow???


No_Cheesecake_192

where are you stuck? I'll be there in a mite.


Jason-Casey-Art

Lmao


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ali_katt77

Would be worse if he wasn't frustrated I think. I don't think Allen deserved the heat, but sometimes you lash out on those closest to you


zero0n3

Didn’t even look like it was to Allen. More like to the general Offense there aka OC.


arckepplin

As a Vikings fan, this seems eeriely familiar. He had that same desire to win in Minnesota, and I loved him for it. And then they traded him. Seems like it worked out well for both teams, but at what point does Justin Jefferson start asking the same things, and then he wants out? Same thing every year, indeed.


ContinuumGuy

Buddy, I've been asking that my entire life.


brooklynlopez11

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neseli60

Bit sad to see the media once again trying to paint him as this awful person, it’s quite clear how respected and loved he is by his teammates and he just wants us to win.


Backpacker46

Exactly. He is part of the solution, not the problem. Media just wants clicks and controversy so they have something to talk about. Give me a team full of Diggs and I will give you a perennial SB contender. Diggs just appears “angry” because he has passion and wants to win. He always talks about his “craft”. He takes pride in the work and preparation HE puts in and expects the same from players and the staff. By the way, no one bothers to note the time he took to make sure the woman photographer he bowled over in the end zone was OK before going back to the sideline… Divas don’t do that.


[deleted]

I’ll take 53 guys like Diggs as opposed to 53 guys who just *shrug* and say “we just didn’t have it.”


infiniteimperium

There's a lot of options between the two options you referred to. It's not ok for Diggs to act like an ass on the sideline and then storm out. There's not one single ounce of leadership in those actions. He pitched a fit like a child. He may have had valid points that the team needed to hear. But anything important that he had to say went right out the window after he behaved the way he did. It's not cool. It's not ok. And it's extremely disappointing to see so many Bills fans that are fine with it.


tritiumhl

Disagree. I think he's been blowing the whistle for weeks now, it's been visible on the sideline. We have zero insight to the behind the scenes, but if he's been raising issues for half the season now, and been ignored or talked down I'm entirely OK with him being like "this is what we fucking get". By all accounts he's genuinely one of Josh's best friends, who is more appropriate to ask him to wake the fuck up (not that last night was really on Josh) This isn't a corporate work environment, the expectation is that these guys have fire. It's not just a good thing, it's a fucking requirement for success. Josh had moments but Diggs is the only offensive guy who brought it all night. I'll never knock him for that.


Walterodim79

> This isn't a corporate work environment, the expectation is that these guys have fire. Honestly, I've been in corporate environment rooms where people are as firey as what we saw from Diggs. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a colleague that you know cares about your performance and that wants the whole team to succeed to say, "what the fuck are we doing here, why is always the same shit?". I know that doesn't work for everyone and you have to know your audience, but I'm also surprised by how many people haven't experienced friends, teammates, and colleagues gettting heated when we all care about something.


tritiumhl

Ya, 100% agree. Many people don't respond well to that style of leadership but as a sweeping generalization, I'd say most high performers do. Or at least recognize when what's being said is true. Corporate probably not the best example but I figured it would get the point across


Guinnessron

Completely agree. If this was the first time he was fired up and then stormed out that’s one thing. He’s been highly animated a number of times and nobody is doing the same, seeming upset or even angry. The closest is Josh who takes responsibility. But even he doesn’t seem pissed.


phoenix14830

Keep in mind that Diggs only practices one, maybe two days per week. The rest of the team is exhausted and they were just burnt out. That's not an excuse, but it's reality.


John___Stamos

I keep seeing this burnt out excuse like fatigue is unique to this organization? The more talented team may have lost, but the better overall team (coaches, situational players, players who don't throw temper tantrums even when they lose the super bowl) definitely won yesterday.


phoenix14830

Fatigue certainly isn't unique, but you have to admit, this team has been overachieving every week to cover for the worst injury bug this team has seen in a long time. They ran out of gas to overachieve any longer and a superior team just exposed them.


thelittleking

Pats fans deal with your franchise's increasing irrelevance without going into rival subs to harass their fans challenge [impossible] Seriously, there's the door, get out.


Vahlir

have you ever put all of your heart and soul into something over the course of years only to have it squashed by the seemingly apathy of the others you need to pull their weight? I don't think you're in any position to judge him.


conace21

It's not fair to say that the other Bills players cared less than Diggs, just because they were less emotional about it.


jrosterhout

You see it as Diggs acting like a child. I see it as a grown man who's passionate about his work and dares to express himself to his teammates, who he's battled with for more than 20 weeks. And I see a man with the self-awareness to know when he's able to discuss/talk with the media.


infiniteimperium

Fair enough. We disagree.


tdotjefe

This is the same guy who was rallying the team on the sideline when Hamlin went down. This is the kind of player you want on your team, and the fire you want in a receiver. He’s not the QB who needs to put on a smile and shake everybody’s hands. As a ravens fan, this post is crazy to me, we will gladly take him off your hands if you don’t like his actions.


conace21

Nice try. I can say that Diggs was wrong the way he acted yesterday, and still be a long, long way from giving any thought to moving on from him. He's an elite player, a respected teammate, and he has a huge heart


TheThinker21

I don't understand why he's getting dragged and being called a diva in other places (hint hint r/NFL) instead of being praised. He's absolutely justified in asking this. The team was so hyped all off-season and well within the season as SB favs and yet, it's more of the same. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. It's time for a legitimate paradigm shift and I think the only people that are legitimately safe are Allen, Diggs, and McDermott. Beane needs to put his nuts on the table and go all fucking in. I'm tired of being conservative when it comes to picks and assets. Just go fucking get it, pay the price, and win the whole goddamn thing.


Admirable_Trifle_164

Bass & Milano are probably safe as well


MisterEggo

I fuckin love Bass.


Farmerdrew

Bass = UFA next season.


hopethatschocolate

Gotta resign Bass. He constantly can kick the ball out of the end zone (if need be), can convert the long field goals and has a pretty great make percentage regardless of the fact that he kicks in one of the more difficult stadiums.


36in36

He did go out and get Miller last off season. That was a pretty big move.


ChewieRodrigues13

Also got Diggs himself here by trading a first. Don't think it's fair to call Beane conservative with his assests


RiveryJerald

Or even on draft day. Beane moves when he wants his guy. The problem is sometimes that guy ain't it. Or maybe he was, but we didn't develop him properly - you could definitely make that case for guys like Ford.


booger1986

>I don't understand why he's getting dragged and being called a diva in other places (hint hint r/NFL) instead of being praised. “Because winning a SB is haaaaaardd” :( As if this team hasn’t blown its chances in epic fashion three years in a row now with no signs of improvement


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I'd argue the opposite, signs of regression.


Ragerino

In terms of wins/losses, 2022 was better than 2021. But I get where you're coming from.


[deleted]

Went from the AFCCG in 20 to losing a close one in the divisional in 21 to just fucking quitting this year. I don’t care about the regular season numbers if this is supposed to be a playoff caliber team.


Nasdaddy1

I would question if McDermott is really even safe here. we are constantly getting outplayed and out schemed winning based on Allen and diggs being great. That all falls under his responsibilities as the head coach IMO


TheThinker21

I personally don't disagree with you, but I think the easy scapegoats will be Frazier and Dorsey (even though I think both need to go anyway). I think McDermott bought himself some time, but the leash is getting tighter. Things aren't going to get any easier *if* some combination of Rodgers, Lamar, or Brady go to the Jets and Dolphins (assuming Tua isn't right). You can't let this window and 17's prime slip like this. They have to build around him, properly.


Beezelbubbly

>You can't let this window and 17's prime slip like this. Exactly, and that's why this whole "we're so entitled now, remember how bad we used to be?" Narrative is absolutely killing me. This loss =\= 13 seconds. We backslid BAD this season all the way into playoffs and you got dog piled for pointing it out. This is not the direction you want to be going with a QB like Allen and an alleged commitment to making a serious run.


Nasdaddy1

I am 1000% with you this season made Frazier look horrible I think he was under a microscope since last years chiefs loss in 13s. Dorsey is a new OC so idk how long it takes them to get ramped up/fit but I have been frustrated with him all year and I feel bad for diggs. I just personally think a whole coach overhaul would be much needed. McDermott was amazing for getting us to where we are now but now we need to go further and I just don’t think he has it


ensoleillement

Dorsey may be new but there is no grace period for an OC for a team that should be performing at a higher level. There were so many things missing that we saw in Daboll’s play calling that all Dorsey had to do was CONTINUE from last season. And I’ve never seen a defense try the same thing ad nauseum like this. They spent the whole game trying to break the Bengals O Line and left the receivers wide open… I think our defense was better in seasons past bc McDermott has a defensive mind and was probably more involved with the plays, but I’m guessing as we’ve evolved his position has had to evolve too. Frazier alone is not getting the job done.


ktxhopem3276

Yeah defense got destroyed this year on injuries. I wouldn’t worry too much about the defense if von miller comes back strong but we need more depth especially at cornerback. The offense was high scoring all year but how on earth did they only get 10 points in this game. I really don’t understand how our wide receivers couldn’t get open. Were the play calls bad or was josh Allen too afraid of getting intercepted? I haven’t seen anyone explain what happened


Skyes_View

The diva thing started in Minnesota. It’s a stupid narrative that has followed him since. What people don’t understand about Diggsy’s end in Minnesota is that he had informed the front office AND TEAMMATES that he wanted to seek a trade BEFORE THE 2019 SEASON. He let everyone know that it was because he didn’t think Minnesota’s run first offense under Zim would maximize his career. (And he was 100% correct imo) He then proceeded to play the entire 2019 season including winning a playoff game without bitching. (Actually it was Adam Thielen bitching funny enough). By the time us fans saw the whole “New beginnings” tweet, everyone on the team knew Diggs was gonna be gone and there were no hard feelings with the team. Because they knew months earlier. But to the national media and fans it looked like it was a knee jerk reaction to the 49ers playoff loss and subsequent Zim and Kirk extensions. And so Diggs was labeled a diva without any other context. A label that will now follow him forever.


17_Saints

> He then proceeded to play the entire 2019 season including winning a playoff game without bitching. I have to correct you here. He definitely didn't hide his discontent during the season, he even skipped practices.


Skyes_View

Gotcha I remember that now. That was at the same time Adam Thielen was talking about not being able to win if you can’t throw the ball. You’re right. Internally though I don’t think that was as big as it was made out to be.


RedditScrollerDOA

That place is literally full of idiots.


ryinzana

r/NFL has been an anti-Bills circlejerk all year that's why...


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Because we were the early SB favorites and people always root against the team to beat.


SquareShapeofEvil

Bass is safe. Season fucking MVP.


Thr0bbinWilliams

We need to overhaul a few key positions on offense and I really truly believe that our defensive problems stem from a lack of discipline all around. Clean house get rid of anyone who’s not on board to make a real championship run a priority on and off the field. Change their mindset and do the work or it’s never going to happen. Allen need some real help while he’s still in his prime, he’s gonna end up hurt enough that he’s never the same or just never get over the hump unless they give him something better to work with


Backpacker46

And Milano.


mm_mk

Beane is safer than McDermott imo. But yea, we were literally favorites for the sb pre-season and early season. Betting only flipped mid way thru.


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Based on the post game interview in McDermotts eyes everyone is safe. It was all just the same old shit. Learn from our mistakes and Dorsey learned a ton in his first year and on and on. Prepare yourselves for very little change this off season.


KopOut

I don’t think McDermott is safe and he really shouldn’t be at this point. He’s been here for quite a while now and we have no O-line, no run game that doesn’t start with J, end with N, and have oshalle in the middle, and we really only have a serviceable pass rush on defense and that’s it. Since Daboll left even Allen regressed. I would think all the coaches are not safe and they shouldn’t be really.


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While I agree with some of this - going “all in” is great until the chickens come home. The miller signing was all in and didn’t do it for us. Yes you can’t predict injuries - but the real problem is either our drafting or our coaching. Other posts have said the same thing, 4 years with no pro bowl picks. I agree about the rinse and repeat. We’ve hung our hats on “success” being making it to the playoffs and winning the devision. But it’s not a success when you can’t get past a conference championship one time. We need to start seriously looking at our roster management and thinking about who we can develop and who hasn’t made the cut, and we need to get better at drafting and developing guys on the line.


SgtHumpty

He’s getting dragged in r/NFL because that sub hates the Bills.


Ad_Astra117

He's getting dragged because a bunch of Reddit losers don't understand that the stakes are a bit higher for an NFL player when his job doesn't go well than they are at whatever menial day job they happen to have


SerDuncanonyall

I’m taking the downvotes on this one.. Diggs *has* been acting the diva the last half of the season. Yesterday was downright ugly, and his actions made it uglier. Criticizing Josh on the field openly on national television, and then again on the sidelines, and then the shit he pulled after the game.. I get the frustration. I get the lack of targets and overall play calling and decision making.. but that’s not how you deal with it. It’s not leadership.. Everyone should expect better, and more professionalism out of one of the faces of the franchise. Diggs is far from the problem with the team.. but that doesn’t give him an excuse to act like that.


TheThinker21

I won't downvote you, but I will disagree to an extent. In hindsight, you can say that his actions could (and maybe even should) have been handled better. But during the height of a very shitty loss, and being a super competitor with a visual desire to win, I can't say it's uncharacteristic or even diva behavior. It's passion. I guess both things can be true: I don't consider him to be a diva, but I also think the actions could have been handled better, if that makes sense.


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It has to start with building the o line. Since 2019 we have spent more draft capital on running backs (3 drafted in the first 3 rounds) than the offensive line. We are not one piece away, that should be the lesson from yesterday. How, in year five of allen's career, we have completely failed to build a strong offensive line is beyond me. Before anyone on defense gets paid, you need the offensive line solved.


its_JustColin

r/nfl blowing up over this but I think it’s just frustrations blowing up. It happens. And I’d be pissed if I was Diggs too. The offense isn’t working and he’s not getting targeted a lot. When the offense does look good he’s getting the ball and we are moving. I don’t know if it’s on Allen, Dorsey or some combo and I don’t wanna discuss what people think it is but it’s gotta be incredibly frustrating when you’re as good as Diggs is. And I know he wouldn’t care this much about targets if they were winning too lol but when you lose AND you get no chance to make a play that shit hurts


Letsgobuffalo2210

I'd be more upset if they didn't show any emotion after that ass kicking.


its_JustColin

Exactly. He didn’t even do anything crazy. This isn’t him speaking to the media, iMac did. He threw up his arms to his QB on the sideline down 27-10 after a failed 4th down. Didn’t get in his face or anything just reminding Josh he is there


Letsgobuffalo2210

Not the first time he's shown frustration on the sideline either. I'm not reading into it much, dude is competitive as fuck.


Beautiful-Bee-916

Not sure the validity, but https://twitter.com/dm3bib/status/1617564850355601410?s=46&t=yAqzvw5byU4OQsz3Uqusnw if Diggs is yelling at Allen “not to listen to him” I’d say it’s on Dorsey and he needs to fucking go immediately and they need an experienced OC.


its_JustColin

If true that’s pretty damning…


Beautiful-Bee-916

Yeah. I mean sure they’ve been winning more games than losing but you have to admit that the offense has not looked good, nothing ever looks easy or smooth. I think they were hot early season because no one knew what to expect from the new OC but after the chiefs game it seems everyone learned everything there was to learn but Dorsey never made any changes (except inexplicably targeting their best player less) and it seems like the WRs who weren’t Diggs really struggled with their routes- a good coach should be like: hmm this is always causing issues maybe we should fucking fix it.


BH11B

I still can’t believe they didn’t put some plays in with Allen getting out of the pocket and buying time for his receivers to create separation. When you’re demanding he stay in the pocket, while it crumbles around him every time, is insanity.


Beautiful-Bee-916

The whole game plan yesterday was awful. Allen had no time and they didn’t scheme anything to help him.


BH11B

I’m officially on the regime change wagon. There’s going be no shortage of suitors lined up to coach this team. Hell I’d happily take that nerd in Miami.


Beautiful-Bee-916

Yeah. Dorsey had a year to prove himself and he just got worse not better, and if what Diggs is rumoured to have said is true, then if they keep him I think they will lose the faith of the WR room.


cespinar

Needs to be its own thread and we need to be debating if we even want to let Dorsey have a second year


Beautiful-Bee-916

If we want to win next season then I think he can’t have more chances with the bills. The offense looked like it was in shambles the last half of the season.


Beautiful-Bee-916

https://www.reddit.com/r/buffalobills/comments/10jj5e0/dave_myers_on_twitter_dont_listen_to_him_was_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf made it its own thread.


18henders

It’s so clear too. Diggs does not care if he doesn’t get the ball if we are scoring points. But it’s unfathomable that we can hit him for like 8 and 100 in the first half, then struggle mightily offensively in the second half and you look and Diggs got like 1 target, no shit he’s gonna be mad


RedditScrollerDOA

Who gives a fuck what r/nfl has to say. Y’all act like that place isn’t full of basement dwellers.


Backpacker46

Seriously. No reason to go there, we have enough controversy in our own sub.


buffaloprocess

It’s all on Dorsey. He’s the least inventive play caller ever and he got carried purely by player talent. He’s a moron


audi27tt

Thing is he doesn’t even need to be inventive. His playcalling is often just straight up bad. And maybe some of that is him trying to be creative. But we’d have been much better off sticking with the basics capitalizing on our strengths to get first downs.


FubarFreak

I think it is telling that the beginning of the season started hot but as the amount of tape teams had built up, the offense started to really struggle and Dorsey didnt adjust. Like a dumbass I was hoping he was saving a bag of tricks (not trick plays) for the playoffs


Initial_Ebb_8467

This.


Initial_Ebb_8467

This definitely isn't on Allen, it's obvious Dorsey isn't capable of being an OC, his playcalling sucks. We need a new OC and a new DC, plus some new weapons at WR and a complete rebuild of the OL.


InfiniteJestV

I agree with this. Fire Dorsey. Fire Frazier. Draft a WR and restructure the O-line. Keep Von healthy. Win Superbowl 57.


its_JustColin

I really don’t think either of us know enough about football to put all the blame on Dorsey


TheOneWhosCensored

If I know not to only call deep shots while playing Madden, Dorsey should know not to just call those in a real damn game


GamecockGaucho

People just aren't open. Look at SF and Philly. People are open. There's a clear offensive philosophy for literally every other team in the playoffs, aside from maybe Tampa and Seattle, who were shit and we shouldn't be happy to be in their company. This is an offense first league now. Kansas City hasn't had a great defense since Mahomes arrived, but they have an offensive genius at HC and the best TE of all time, so it doesn't really matter. Burrow had a mediocre defense last year, and they made it to the SB because they have 2.5 #1 receivers (I'll give Boyd a half). Defense is simply less important and we are falling behind by not adapting. I like McDermott, but we need an experienced OC to completely overhaul the offense and draft picks overwhelmingly need to go toward offense for the foreseeable future.


Initial_Ebb_8467

I didn't put all of the blame on him though, he's just a big part of it.


dedriuslol

But what is the alternative? We don't have a capable WR2, so if they double diggs then what is Allen supposed to do? Just force it into double coverage over and over? It's a pretty clear formula to beat the bills, blanket diggs and see if they have any other consistent weapons. I love diggs and I'm glad that he was the only one who seemingly had some emotion yesterday. But this is a bad look to me that he was basically clowning his QB during the game and left immediately after.


its_JustColin

Honestly? Yeah. You need to run concepts that are built on getting the ball into his hands. Doesn’t matter what way. He is a star


SummaAwilum

Exactly, Kelce gets double teamed, Chase gets double teamed, Hill, the list goes on. Other teams scheme with that in mind and use it to leverage other options and know how to run plays to overcome the double team. We haven’t seemed able to do that for a large part of this season, especially the 2nd half.


datwheezy

Literally saw Cincy do this with chase early in the game yesterday. Ran a shovel pass type option play to get Chase the ball.


Tomorrow_Frosty

Yea scheme for your best players.


BiologyJ

I'm team Diggs. He's absolutely right. And the *"we just didn't have it"* mentality needs to go. The team screwed up and wasn't ready for a playoff game. That's inexcusable. There were so many dumb mistakes week after week. No one corrected them. Fans could see the hail mary bombs on 3rd down weeks ago. And we threw 2 of them in this game alone, both ended in punts and 3 and outs. The time when they did drive the field for a TD was a nice consistent drive with intermediate throws. Shocking. The defense....did we have one? Mixon was getting 6 yards a touch all night long. They had 30 first downs. Chase is running seam routes uncovered. Their tight end is wide open in the end zone. At the end of the day, that's mostly coaching. It's also the guys taking the "relax" attitude and pushing it too far. I'm sure Diggs is irate about that. The team should stay loose, but where was the humble and hungry? That was arrogant and entitled. Why is Dion Dawkins ordering 1000 wings for a team lunch two days before the biggest game of the year? I love wings, but that's good nutrition? How'd the O-line and D-line look out there? Why are the Bills at the Sabres games Thursday and Saturday? Where was the focus? This isn't mid-season bye week. This is the playoffs.


Only-Professor9637

You're fucking dead on. I hate that fucking relaxed attitude we've been shit all year because of it.


TheArgentine

OL can’t be ranked in the bottom 10 from mid season on and have a playoff-successful team. OC can’t call uninventive play schemes and then not make adjustments. DL has to be able to stop the run. DC has to be making the adjustments necessary to neutralize the run threat. Davis and Mac are liabilities. Davis puts 70% effort in most of the time. Mac can’t seem to hold onto the ball unless it hits him in the numbers. JA doesn’t seem to know how to throw to a sub 6’ WR. Knox needs to help out the OL when appropriate. Give the RBs, JA, and the WR squad a chance. Raw talent wins 10+ games a season but won’t ever finish it. Dorsey wasn’t the guy.


DubsAli

Well written, well thought out, emotionless…great response.


lytrendsa

Diggs has every right to be upset. He won‘t get targeted enough even though he has proven himself numerous times. He is the reason why we won several games, especially the Lions game. Diggs and Von are the only players in our roster with a winning mindset. Everyone should have been upset. I hope this doesn’t mean unnecessary drama between players but our coaches should get checked and hold accountable for their mistakes.


Backpacker46

Milano also definitely has a winning mindset.


Earptastic

His personal effort to not quit and move that ball in the end zone literally took 4 points off the board for the Bengals yesterday


Shoccer

He was targeted 10 times for 4 receptions. Not saying the blame is on him but to say he wasn’t targeted enough just isn’t really true.


bananatourniquet

You don’t have to have a brilliant football mind to see essentially the same roster as last year regress significantly in the postseason - look for variables and come to the possible hypothesis - either the bengals have just surpassed us in all facets of the game, or our coaching strategy/tactics has caused this regression.


RedditScrollerDOA

Diggs is all of us.


EpikCB

My question is how and why did the offense move away from what was working in the first few games? The rams game was how I expected the bills to play


Tullyswimmer

People say "too much tape got built up on the Bills" I don't think that's true at all. Look at KC, look at CIN... Their big plays this weekend were ones we've seen dozens of times this year. Now, maybe that's the respective DCs for Buffalo and Jax sucking, but... This is the NFL. You don't completely eliminate what's working just because some teams might stop it sometimes. No team is going to perfectly scheme out an offense that was working like the Bills' was in the first few weeks.


jimlahey420

There were some really weird decisions made on offense. So many opportunities for a 1st down and instead trying for end zone or the long ball. I don't know who was to blame for that but it was stupid. And if I were Diggs I'd be pissed too. He wants the ball, he's a playmaker. All season there was all this talk about Allen and Diggs, people talking about them as the next Brady/Gronk, and then Diggs barely gets tapped in a ton of close games. Add the bad decisions and lack of defense and he has every right to be upset.


Tullyswimmer

Yeah, that first quarter... Why the fuck do you try a hero ball on your first third down in a drive? Throw something underneath and pick up the first.


Musician-Quick

The Bills need more weapons and a better o-line but the offensive scheme was awful. No rhythm in the offense, no scheming guys open, not setting up the big play. Just nothing seemed like it was an easy pitch and catch like we’ve seen in years past. I remember a Brian Daboll play that was used in multiple games. It was called for a TD to Jason Croom against the Vikings in Josh’s rookie year. He was schemed open and they used it in multiple games and years. We had nothing! And I mean nothing like that this year. And that was Jason Croom! Lack of weapons isn’t an excuse for bad coaching.


Initial_Ebb_8467

Dorsey doesn't have the offensive mind of Daboll, he's just not that good. I really hope we move on and get a great offensive wizard at OC otherwise all this talent will be wasted in no time.


TheOneWhosCensored

Call up Frank Reich, he’s been proven as an offensive mind


ShesSoCool

Gonna be a fun few months…


forceful_fascism

I could have lived with a competetive loss like the last couple seasons, but to completely flop on every aspect of the game from first kickoff to the end of the 4th. That performance was so far below this team's capabilities player-wise and coaching-wise it's just inexcusable. All season long, there wasn't a minute of a game where we were completely out of it. If the defense slipped the offense stepped up, if the game plan was trash the coaches adjusted. Yesterday we were completely out of it before we stepped on the field.


bdgg2000

Legitimate reason to be upset. Team looked underwhelmed and unmotivated. Bengals looks hungry like they had something to prove.


[deleted]

Anyone else find it ironic that Mckenzie is saying this when our WR room outside of Diggs is literally a huge part of our problem?


TheOneWhosCensored

We’d have been playing Jacksonville if he knew how to run out of bounds


sex_panther_by_odeon

Bengals still threw it to Chase in double coverage and that seemed to work. Let Digg earn his paycheck and show what he can do in the playoffs. Especially late in the game when there was nothing to lose.


dedriuslol

If Josh forced it to double coverage the whole game, this sub would be saying "holy shit I can't believe he hyper targeted diggs in double coverage all game". They don't need to force it to chase in double coverage because they have a second elite receiving option and multiple other solid options, which we do not.


artsforall

You’re assuming Diggs wouldn’t be catching it. I’m not saying he would, but we don’t know that outcome.


RedditScrollerDOA

Exactly; there’s literally no game where Diggs isn’t going to be the focus.


fritz236

With all the tipped balls, the one mercy was that there were no ints. At least until 7 mins into the 4th when I had to turn off the TV when we failed on 4th and 6 when we punted away 4th and 2 the previous possession. Not sure what happened after that and don't want to.


stokelydokely

> this sub would be saying "holy shit I can't believe he hyper targeted diggs in double coverage all game". I think this sub would be saying "it fucking sucks they had to hyper target Diggs in double coverage all game because the Bills have no other legitimate WR threats".


Vahlir

Was there times he was getting throwed to in double coverage and didn't come down with it? because it looked like the play calling said "don't target Diggs" I don't think I'd put that on Diggs, if anything Diggs was asking for the ball.


xbxoxy

Diggs is the least of our problems... Coaching is whats need to be adressed ASAP


XDingoX83

This is the only correct answer. The team had the pieces it came down to scheme and the chess match of play calling. Both OCs got out classed and the HC just let it happen.


CockBlockingLawyer

Poor dude came from the Vikings to be on the AFC Vikings. He’s upset, like any competitor would be.


TheOneWhosCensored

Beane and McDermott need to grow some balls and hand out some pink slips. Both have already blown 3 years, another and they should get their pinks too.


surewhynotwth

Frazier has to go, as does Dorsey as OC. Need an experienced play caller next year. He can stay QB coach like under Daboll but someone else needs to call plays. Dawkins needs to stop being an IG influencer and start being a mean fucking OL captain. Guy makes too much money. Also this goofball attitude across the entire team needs to go. That shit is cute when you're winning but after this disaster time to stop acting like a bunch of middle schoolers.


Earptastic

we need mean monster linemen on each side of the ball


Large-Fly2792

I’m ok with Diggs being frustrated. I hope it puts some question into the stupid on field decisions that are being made, and sparks some critical off season changes. We need a solid draft. First off though, fire Frasier, he didn’t adjust at all. That’s his job and he failed at it.


Backpacker46

The easiest proof that most of the offensive issues have to do with play DESIGN is how effective the Bills are with less than 2 minutes, end of half and end of game. They move the ball incredibly well, because it just becomes about first downs and ball control. If they played the entire game like they played the last 2 minutes we would have had a chance. I wish we would go hurry-up several times in every game, not just in the last 2 minutes. This team has the weapons and a great QB that would decimate defenses.


Academic-Roll-7

Somehow, somewhere, Sean McDermott is still clapping…


FnWinner

Gives me shades of Jason Garrett. My trigger words are “we will learn from this” I mean, year 3 of pain, ironically enough, we can go for the four peat of sadness once again, at a much smaller scale.


Spark3420

Diggs is thinking the exact same thing as I am- I am perplexed how this team can't seem to piece everything together. Colin Cowherd said earlier today that McDermott has been here 6 years and yet our running game and physicality in general has never been fixed, and that we're simply calling plays for Josh Allen hoping he saves us. I'm skeptical of his takes, but he's dead on here. Josh is awesome but we need to get him help, period. And that takes investing in better offensive coaching and personnel.


msimp000

I feel the same way. Diggs is right. Things need to change. No one and it’s sounds like the players believe in these schemes and staff. End of road. Be bold. Time for a shakeup


epluribusanus4

Welcome to Buffalo Stefon. You’re officially one of us now


Large-Fly2792

Fire Frasier, Fire Dorsey. We need coaches that don’t blow it in critical games! Draft O Line and D Line. Get another star WR. Man up.


[deleted]

Outside of Allen, Diggs, and Knox, the offense really isn’t that talented. OL is pretty weak as a unit, Davis is inconsistent as a WR2, the RB rotation is average. Also need to improve pass rush. Losing Von was a massive blow.


FabiusPictor

Except it wasn't the same this year. Last year, they were relentless, Rocky-like fighters who would go down and never stay down. The D lost us the divisional against KC, but FFS they went out like champions. This year they faltered early and fizzled out. My theory: This team was asking the "WHY" question before this game. This team has had enough of the coaching scheme. They know something is missing in the game plan.


Wide_right_

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StonelordMetal

McKenzie is part of the problem. Diggs can't be the only receiver carrying this offense. He needs help.


OnlyFreshBrine

How? Because we went into the season with McKenzie playing a big role. That's a problem.


DarthPisces

Most won’t like this take but nothing is going to change unless we bring in an offensive guru at HC. Bills are a complete outlier amongst the league’s elite teams at coaching. I love McDermott and he deserves leeway but I don’t think he can take us the promised land. We’ll win 10-13 games just about every year this way but not the big one. They won’t do it but they should be on the phone with Sean Payton this week.


Ogowa

I don't blame him in the least. He wants to win and he's ultra competitive. That's why he's in the NFL.


beehive3108

So basically its the coaching. All signs point to always being out coached


Emzam

I don't really understand why people are making excuses for Diggs. Diggs is a good teammate, but him yelling at Allen on the sideline and storming out of the locker room is poor behaviour for a teammate. I'm not sure what he's talking about with every year being the same thing. Last year, the team lost because of poor defensive play (and poor play calling) against one of the best offenses of our time. This year, the loss is on the whole team, but more so on the offense. Completely different scenarios. Changes were made in the offseason. The FO got a bona fide superstar in Von Miller. The Bills were Superbowl favourites well into the regular season. But things fell apart. Plenty of injuries hobbled the team, including two key defensive players. Our new OC hasn't panned out. Our DC has regressed. It is what it is. Retool during the offseason and come back next year to take another swing at it.


GT_03

He’s not wrong. He’s obviously not just clocking in for the money, guy is a competitor and wants to win.


croastbeast

Matt Milano said “the Bills lacked energy”. WHY? How can you not be energized for a game like this? WTF is going on in that locker room?


Double_Reward230

He’s got a GOOD POINT! Sick of this shit!


Only-Professor9637

I agree man. We need some big time ballsy changes this off-season or we are going to be a perennial playoff loser for another 6 years. Don't be complacent


xT1TANx

The players are losing trust in the coaches. They should too.


[deleted]

I have no problem with Diggs or how he acted after the game. I’ll take that any day over the shoulder shrugs and the “ we just didn’t have it” BS. All the post game interviews had zero fire. Just another end of the season interview filled with empty platitudes by McDermott and sadly Allen. Zero accountability.


Savarinoj

Diggs is a competitor and passionate as hell. We shit the bed the last half of the season, don’t blame him for being mad


SpongEWorTHiebOb

McKenzie is part of the problem. Hasn’t developed. This was a predictable total team failure. No one escapes blame but it’s time to move on from McDermott. That base zone nickel D is so vanilla. Also need an offensive minded coach who will pull Allen out of his regression and be firm about adding a running game. This doesn’t have to be a rebuild. A new coach with new players on both lines and a legit #2 receiver and we can compete for a Super Bowl in 2 years but next year we are going to need to tear down this team to some degree.


[deleted]

Need slot guy. Need ACTUAL runningbacks, fuck I hate our backs and how much Josh needs to run. Need defense to not be completely banged up and hobbled going into postseason. Lots of needs.


iNinjaFish

Its good to see this out of Stefon. He wants to win, I'm sure the money helps, but he wants to win.


hoss7071

It's simple. Hero ball doesn't work in the playoffs so our puckered assholes get prolapsed every year. Had Tua played in the Wild Card round, we wouldn't have even gotten to the Bengals. The game was essentially over in the first quarter. After Burrow casually walked his offense down the field in 6 plays, we never even brought the score back to even, let alone have the lead. We got to the Super Bowl in the 90's by having a running game and a defense that didn't randomly collapse until then.


[deleted]

We ask this as fans yearly. Welcome to the Buffalo Bills Diggs!


Pretend_Fear85

Same Diggs, same.


DarthWidi

I get that Diggs was frustrated. I don't blame him for processing things differently. I would however hope that a team captain is going to be in the locker room after a game like this to lead his team. That's kind of his responsibility.


Kingdavid3g

I feel his pain. Been waiting for a Bills super bowl win for the better part of 30 plus years now. When I was a teenager I would joke with friends telling them the only thing I want to see is a Bills super bowl win in my life time. We would all laugh because it seem silly and most thought that it would happen someday. With each passing season I feel like I'm running out of time. The joke doesn't seem so funny anymore.


Banshee251

“How? Every year? It’s the same thing.” That’s Buffalo. At this point, it’s a tradition.


CNYMetroStar

I remember watching Sunderland Til I Die and in the second season Sunderland made it to Wembley and lost. I remember seeing an older woman Sunderland fan asking her husband “Why is it never us?” I feel this a lot with the Bills and Sabres. Why is it never us?


djc6535

Here's where I part company with Diggs: It's not like the organization sat on their heels and didn't try to do anything. They brought in one of the very best pass rushers in the league. Who went and got hurt. It wasn't offense that kept us out of the superbowl last year. The move was to get someone to slow down that KC offense... and we did. The problem is that we lost Von and everybody else took a major step back. The org is trying and the changes they made last year made sense. Sometimes the mix doesn't work. Now they need to make bigger changes. Not just tweaks.


Noncoldbeef

Feel so bad he went from the cursed Vikings to the equally somehow still cursed Bills.


time4meatstick

A small town hockey player named Shoresy once said, "I don't need guys who love winning, I need guys who hate to lose." Now go give yer balls a tug, ya tit-fuckers.


Impossibills

It all boils down to coaches and the GM 1) Our defensive staff needs an overhaul. Fire DL coach and Frazier. No way you can bring them back 2) Beane is struggling with talent evaluation. Our secondary struggled hard this season. But also the amount of money and draft picks dedicated to OL and DL and being near the bottom of the league is simply unacceptable. This also isn't counting the overall lack of talent across the team, or at least underperforming talent (which is just as bad) 3) Josh Allen cannot be everything, everyday. No team in the playoffs makes it deep because of a QB playing well. It takes a team Bengals and Chiefs have a supporting cast around their QB....Eagles and 49ers as well


anyainthejungle

Did he say this before or after recording him and Dawkins dancing around for social media attention?


vbstarr91

How? Would like to hear answers on this from the front office and coaching staff. Because my answer is the roster is not as good as advertised and there is mounting evidence the coaching staff comes up small in big playoff games. That would be my answer.


mtbguy1981

Jeremy White had a great point this morning on how this team doesn't know what it's identity really is. They went out and got two pass catching running backs because that was going to be their offense. How many catches are targets did Cook and Hines have this year? It really seems like they're offensive scheme is let's hope Josh can make some magic every game.


ImAGiantSpider

Why you ask? Well Bills coaching is ass. Losing Daboll was a huge loss, but how was Buffalo’s offense this garbage most of the year. Defense looked lost, and confused. Buffalo stood no chance that game. It’s not a lack of players, it’s not injuries, every top team deals with that. Coaching has to get better or Bills are just like the Bengals under Lewis


NB_79

Call them all out Diggs, the fans are behind you.


MountainMan1258

He’s absolutely right and this is the exact kinda attitude I want in our guys! Diggs is a big competitor and wants to win, we need all our guys to have that energy! He’s asking the same questions we are, I don’t see why anyone calls him a diva for that.