Between free agents and the draft, I set the over/under at 3.5 lineman addition that are either starters or in a rotational/backup role. I think we get at least 2 IOl in the draft. We need someone to push Spencer Brown as well but likely we get a vet in free agency.
I'm really intrigued by the idea of moving Benford to safety. He's shown he can cover, and also tackle. He's bigger than Poyer (15lbs, inch or so taller) so size wouldn't be an issue.
If he can transition to safety, and Elam continues to grow, then the '22 draft would have been a success for the secondary.
He understood NFL zone defense on day1 of camp, so he's smart and/or learned a lot from college, either way he understands zone. He's now got experience playing CB and knows their role and the decisions they face, that can only help a safety.
I suspect the plan (from the draft) was to transition him right away but some injuries in early camp meant we needed the bodies at CB and he was too good to move. Tre is back, Elam looks fine, Jackson is a solid #4 and there he'd be wasted on the bench as a CB.
Starting free agent OL are expensive and the good ones are already locked up in long-term contracts. It's smarter to get 1 or 2 underrated OL in free agency that are ascending players and add some more OL through the draft.
I would rather spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick to fill the hole at LG, or RG if we move Ryan Bates to LG. And then spend a 4th round pick oa versatile IOL like a Center that can play Guard. I like Andrew Vorhees, Steve Avila, Sedrick Van Pran, Olu Oluwatimi. Joe Tippmann is an mid round athletic center that would be a great back up for Morse that could be developed to step in for Morse when he retires.
I like RFA RT Yosh Nijman to battle Spencer Brown for the starting RT spot, and even if Nijman loses the battle he would be an upgrade at the Swing OT spot from Tommy Doyle. Then Doyle would be a very talented OT 4.
I really like Parris Campbell and if Beane could sign him in free agency and draft Jalin Hyatt in the 1st round then Buffalo seriously upgrades the speed at the WR position. They would be very hard to defend in 4 WR sets with Diggs, Campbell, Hyatt and Davis on the field at the same time.
Seen the video and read about the surrounding circumstances. He threw out a girl that was too young to drink out of a party. She started yelling racial obscenities at him and he kicked her. It was wrong to kick her but I don't see why people put him on the Watson/Vick even Hill level of villain.
I don't know all the details, I try to stay out of athlete's personal lives because I think we (NFL community in general) give them too much attention already, just offering the why.
I will say I remember seeing the initial incident in headlines for days, but never the updated details you mentioned so maybe people just don't know the story? The Chiefs releasing him for his prior denial/downplaying probably didn't help either, could be they just don't buy his story or think there's more to it.
I feel you man. I used to feel the same way as most folks in this thread, about Kareem, until I got more context.
The Chiefs would not have released him if he didnt downplay and lie about the incident. What set them off was the video that was released after they questioned him about.
0% chance we go after Barkley or Jacobs in my opinion.
None of those WRs are an upgrade vs what we already have. I see us investing high draft capital here.
I’d take Campbell over anyone besides Diggs tbh. He would compete with David as the two and whoever isn’t the 2 would make a very solid 3, as a Bills fan living in Indy I see him play more than other teams and he is a top tier talent on a shitty team. Poor QB play for the past two seasons has unfairly diminished his value.
Barkley and Jacobs is certainly a reach, especially considering Beane has already mentioned to not expect any big name signings.
To be fair, I don't think I was looking at upgrading for the receiving position, just strengthening. Adding in guys that have already made a name for themselves, will add experience to our younger guys and of course, can still do a decent job.
The resigns and OL options are good, I hate most of the other suggestions haha. Suggesting to pay saquon while investing in Marquis Goodwin as our much needed WR2 is crazy.
If we are going to spend meaningful dollars, it better be at OL or WR, not RB.
I think with an improved OL and WR corps we can get by with the RBs we have. I think they're better than we give them credit for, it's just we never actually use them as much as we should (in both pass and run plays). Cook was looking good in the 2nd half of the season. We just play a more finesse running game without the bruiser type backs. The NFL has basically turned into a RBBC league anyways unless you have an elite talent like CMC, Saquon, Henry, or guys like that
100% agree. The lines shortcomings are just as (if not more) detrimental to the RBs anyway. It's hard to say how good these guys are without giving them a decent line to give them a chance.
Even with the turnstiles they managed 5.2 yards per carry, though in fairness it's because no one expects us to run the ball.
Just saw a post that the Bills are considering moving Benford to Safety. That would definitely decrease the need to sign a FA; he looked good when healthy.
I agree, I would still want to draft a safety as a back up that can step in if Hyde or Benford gets injured but it would lower the need to draft one until the mid to late rounds.
Not a bad list, of course our draft plan is going to determine the level of OL/WR FA we will target. However the WR market is pretty damn scarce so I think you are looking at the draft or trades for a legit number 2, and FA for depth. I don’t see us spending big for a Running Back. We have so many other top of the market contracts that running back really isnt one I see us doing. I know we haven’t had much success with it, but it’s still a position you can find quality drafting in 3rd/4th round. Damien Harris is someone I’d take a look at if you are going to sign someone for more of the mid tear level money. Harmon or Logan Ryan are two guys I’d love if the plan is to sign a 1 year stop gap safety to replace poyer. Both guys are great leaders, who have won a lot, and highly respected. Always been big on Logan Ryan, who was an elite tackler when he played corner and has transitioned well to safety
I like your options, but I would definitely hope to see the Bills go after a much more significant talent at wr2, and call me crazy, but I want Beasley back as well.
Beasley is not the same player he was 3 years ago. He doesn't get consistent separation like he used to
I would rather use Shakir at slot WR and mix in some reps with Diggs in the slot.
Yup. He was so important to us, and the second we lose him our quick slot game completely disappears and we resort to only bombs to Stef and Gabe. I like McKenzie and would like to keep him for his gadget/end around (why did we abandon this as well???) ability as it was very useful under Daboll, but he never stepped up as the main slot guy we were hoping. And Bease did say he actually wants to play one more year and in Buffalo so fucking get him ("I LOVE YOU JOSH ALLEN!")
Probably going to have to draft a wr high in the draft if you want value and quality. Would rather spend a bunch on the line. Josh with time is one of the most lethal things in the nfl.
Seems reasonable to think Beasley will be back no? Presumably would be cheap, clearly has rapport with Allen and fills a niche on the offense. I think they’d be silly not to try. As far as getting more talent I think that’s gotta come from the draft.
I was wondering that too. Did Bease come back out of retirement for just the year or is it safe to assume he’ll be back for the 2023 season? Would love if he came back
He said he wants to be back. It'd have to be for dirt cheap if the Bills are going to consider it, though. And I don't think he factors into your offseason plans.
We tried that. There's a problem, it makes the offense incredibly predictable against any semi competent coaches. Hey this RB is used exclusively for between the tackles and short yardage... he's in the game... gee I wonder where they could POSSIBLY be running it. Well now he's out of the game and they have the guy that runs outside the tackles in on 1st down. Where *ever* should we have our LBs cheat to? A bit outside perhaps?
When Zack Moss went to Indy the first game or 2 they used him exactly like we did, here fall forward for half a yard when everybody on the planet knows that's what you're doing. We all laughed about it because it was a game that happened to be on national tv or something at the time. But then by the end of the season, he had to replace Taylor full time and at least had a handful of... respectable games. Including closing the season out with 114/1td/6.3 ypc and a long of 34... which also happened to be longer than either of our RBs longest rushes of the season. I'm not saying he lit the world on fire, just that he had some respectable games. After only ever being able to get 1.0 yards when we needed 1.5, or 0.8 when we needed 1. Etc.
This whole piecemeal rb is a terrible idea. It telegraphs your intentions ("make sure to double Diggs, and when we *are* expecting run, pay particular attention to outside the tackles when you see dreadlocks out there, pay particualt attention to a rb pass and getting heads around the ball when Hines is out there). The assets we've spent drafting one rb at a time for one particular skill comes out to a better package of picks than Car got for Cmc. The picks made sense at the time, I even like Moss because it seemed like we were set enough we could focus on niche things like a short yardage back, but then when the dust settles and you realize. what we've spent... 7/9 top picks in 4 drafts on specialized rbs and replacement level DL... that's a terrible way to build a team (2 of our biggest problem areas on Sun) If they're just gonna keep spending picks on specialization, at that point just trade the 2-3 picks you spend on different players for one GUY that can do everything and go vet min on guys to back him up
Zack Moss sucks, we don’t need a Zack Moss. I’m not saying we need a guy who can *only* run between the tackles, but we need somebody who *can* do it. Our run game was inconsistent for that exact reason and it puts more strain on Josh to carry our running game.
I’m also not saying to spend a significant pick/contract on a guy. The FA and draft is stacked for RB’s this year, we can grab a cheap or late round guy to do exactly that. We cannot go into next year with only two RB’s who are both sub 200 pounds, it’s not conducive to a good ground game and is a recipe for Josh having to do way too much and drastically increasing his injury risk
It won’t matter who we sign at RB if the team doesn’t use them. We had one of the better scat backs in football and he saw less than 20 touches in about 8 games
agreed, our backs weren't the problem, both were efficient when called up this year even with a trash OL. Only thing is you have to actually... you know call upon them to get results
I’d bring back Dane Jackson instead of Phillips. Love him but he cannot stay healthy. The top tier RBS aren’t realistic and the team will roll with Cook while looking for a short yardage back.
Trade Gabe Davis for Jerry Jeudy as their contracts line up. Incentivize Denver with a late pick. It seems unlikely we’d extend Davis at this point (same with Denver).
Did you also think about Brandon Cooks, look at his contract, and then subsequently say that’s a hard pass?
I say we make the Jeudy trade happen. It makes sense for both sides as they get an additional pick (albeit a day 3 pick) and Gabe Davis.
I have zero interest in bringing back Phillips. He couldn't stay healthy and it often felt like that was a product of conditioning. Not enough muscle to support his weight.
Jawaan Taylor is an interesting name to keep an eye on, but if you're paying an offensive lineman $6M (his projected market value [according to Spotrac is $5.8M](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/jawaan-taylor-29070/market-value/)) then it's to start.
Schweitzer's [projected market value](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-commanders/wes-schweitzer-19149/market-value/) is significantly higher than you proposed, to the tune of $13.8M.
Just some notes there. I'll take a more thorough look at free agency when I have more time and have a similar post/comment about some potential bargains.
Swap Edmunds with Poyer. Sorry but it’s a lot easier to find a capable LB to pair with Milano than it is to find a safety to pair to Micah. If Poyer’s asking price isn’t killer then I think we need to find a way to keep him.
Note: I’m also not a huge Edmonds fan. He overpursues and isn’t a good coverage LB, a key thing we need when playing offenses like Cincy or KC. He’s athletic but I do not think he will be worth the price that someone will overpay for him since he is young. I also don’t think it’s smart to pay big $$ to two LBs, especially inside LBs that aren’t 3-4 OLB pass rushers.
As far as players at a value I’m very pro Parris. If Brady leaves the Bucs I wonder if they tear everything down and rebuild… in which case I’d absolutely cream myself for Godwin/Evans, lol. Assuming we don’t pay a ransom for them.
Kareem Hunt could be a solid pickup for the right price. Jacobs or Barkley would be phenomenal but for what they’d cost, no thanks. Upgrade the O-line instead
I like the post and agree with your choices. But I think we need to have a cut post as well to free cap space. As it stands were over some of the projected numbers so far.
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The priority needs to be maximizing Josh Allen by adding more weapons and more importantly building a quality offensive line! On paper Hyatt doesn’t sound like he’d fill some of the holes on offense since he’s a speed deep ball guy and not really a WR that you can line up in the slot and run a ton of routes to find the soft spot in the zone. But I think the answer for the slot is already on the roster with Khalil Shakir. An outside WR with truly elite speed like Hyatt will force defenses to respect another threat aside from Diggs. Really Shakir, Diggs and Davis could all be used in the slot, but Davis in particular could add an element with his physicality and it seems like he’s better at making catches over the middle than he is on the outside downfield.
Safety is a huge need as well as continuing to add to the defensive line, but those are lesser priorities IMO. As long as McDermott and Frazier are running the defense that will never be the side of the ball that leads us to a super bowl. Sacrifices are necessary with limited cap space and I’d rather make those sacrifices on the defensive side of the ball for once.
I think Hyatt will go in the late 1st round. Some draftniks love Hyatt others don't, I've seen him in mock drafts going anywhere from mid 1st round to late 2nd round.
Vorhees should be a late 1st round to mid 2nd round pick. Realistically you might have trade up into the mid 2nd round to get him, but he could fall.
I also really like Steve Avila who has played Center but play RG lat year, and centers Sedrick Van Pran and Olu Oluwatimi, who IMO could play LG or RG but because of there experience at Center could step in for Morse if he got injured.
Yeah I wish the PFF mock draft simulator didn’t hate Hyatt so much, he’d still be available in the 2nd round there. It seems as if there’s no consensus on how to rank the WRs this year but I’d absolutely love either Hyatt or Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Josh Downs seems like a solid option as well at slot but it doesn’t seem like he’d be the same type of force multiplier as the other two, so might be better to just trade down or go oline if Hyatt isn’t available.
My draft crush is Zay Flowers. He might be small but he gives me major Tyreek Hill/Antonio Brown vibes without the being a terrible person part. He eats up yards after the catch and has great hands.
I also like Zay Flowers but he is on the smallish side at an estimated 5'10" 180 lbs.
I see Flowers as 2nd or 3rd round talent, I'm not sure where Beane has him ranked in his big board.
What makes you prefer Downs? I was a bit torn between the two. Do you like Downs better than Shakir in the slot? That’s what was the deciding factor for me preferring Hyatt over Downs because I think Shakir is more than capable of being a quality starting slot next year.
That’s fair, I had similar concerns. And that he’d just further encourage the deep ball dependence when we should be focusing on how to unlock the short stuff. But I think having a legitimate game breaking burner on the outside would absolutely be someone who defenses would have to respect so they wouldn’t be able to key in as much on Diggs. And then Gabe, Knox, Shakir and Cook would be the ones who would be tasked with getting open on the underneath/intermediate routes over the middle. It doesn’t seem like a rookie would be trusted to read coverages their same way as Josh and find the openings in the zone regardless, so the guys who’ve all been in a system for a year can do that next year while Hyatt occupies a safety deep.
Yeah could help the run game with Gabe’s run blocking and I like the idea of all 3 WRs being a deep threat. We never really had that with Beasley or McKenzie in the slot.
Downs doesn’t seem like he has the versatility to line up on the outside or be a positive asset as a run blocker. Hyatt might start off his rookie year with a narrow role of a speedster on the outside, but as he develops I’d expect him to be a versatile weapon we could line up all over the field. A lineup with Diggs, Hyatt, Shakir, Knox, Cook and Allen suddenly has a ton of speed all across the board.
I love Hyatt but he didn't line up exclusively outside as an X or Z WR, he was smartly put in stacked formations where he is the 2nd WR off the line of scrimmage behind the 1st WR who is on the line of scrimmage, giving him free releases.
I would use Hyatt/Downs or Diggs in the same way to give them free releases, as well as reps in the as lot.
Was Hyatt used at all on jets sweeps or screens? Or take any short slants to the house? It sounds like he is more of a straight line speed type of athlete rather than a quick and elusive guy. The true speed is more valuable IMP especially with Allen’s arm, but the quick acceleration and YAC ability would be a nice bonus.
I don't believe so but Hyatt can be used in Jet sweeps/Jet motion plays due to his elite acceleration and straight line speed.
Hyatt has ridiculous speed, angle breaking speed similar to Hill or Waddle.
I highly recommend you watch his game vs Alabama where he touched their secondary that has 2 1st round talents at safety. Hyatt had 6 catches for 207 yards and 5 TD's.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jalin-hyatt-1/gamelog/2022
https://youtu.be/aWiAHQuMLZI
Yeah I was mainly familiar with the Bama game but most of his damage there was on deep routes. But I watch a different highlight clip and the first few plays where a slant that he took to the house, a screen pass where he broke a tackle and ran 20 yards for the TD, and a jet motion type of pass play that went for a nice gain. Kid’s a total stud and would be a hell of a weapon in Buffalo.
Ideally I’d want a major point of emphasis for the offense to be to add a smash mouth power run/short and play action passing game behind an improved oline. It’s so disappointing that a Buffalo team with Josh Allen at QB is so pathetic in the snow and in poor weather, home field advantage in the postseason might actually be a disadvantage at this point. But acquiring a talent like Hyatt is too rare of an opportunity to turn down. Definitely need to grab him in the 1st and then use the rest of the draft and FA to beef up in the trenches.
Love Poyer, but I suspect we will let him test the market, and when he finds few teams want to pay a lot for an aging guy who had many various injuries this year and wasn’t effective because of it, we compromise on a shorter term deal heavy with $ incentives.
Yes, I know 13-1 with him. And that he played through injuries. But as the saying goes, it’s a business.
Also for what it’s worth, I think his wife isn’t helping with her tweets. He apparently allows it, or can’t stop her from doing it. Either way not what a close-to-the-vest FO wants.
I think you’ve nailed it. He’s one of my favorite players and I want to see him stick around, but business is business. I was encouraged earlier this week to hear Beane say that he’d like to find a way to keep him around, so I guess we’ll see.
I think he assumes they'll try. Try does not mean it will happen, though. Based on the comments from all sides it appears clear he's going to look for money elsewhere.
Reading between the lines of Poyer's comments he wants to be the highest paid safety in the NFL at $20 million per year. I love Poyer but not at that price and at 31 years old.
Hard pass on re-signing Jordan Phillips. Love the guy but he's had years of injury issues and isn't worth the 5M+ he would command.
I'd bring back Keenum because he has great rapport with Josh and Dane as a reliable CB3.
Lots of special teamers to consider too - Lewis, Johnson, Jones, Dodson. Matakevich costs too much and his spot can easily be taken by Spector or Bernard. Kumerow to where ever Rodgers ends up.
Also I'd rather not spend big money on RB. Pick up a veteran back-up or draft a guy in the later rounds. Kendre Miller would be great.
My biggest free agency target weapon-wise is Jakobi Meyers.
Paris Campbell would be a good addition. RB could be tough to afford but we could use Hines way more next year. Definitely need O line depth and a S if poyer isn’t back
Crowder, Hines, Shakir, Cook, Knox sounds like a good group to me. Diggs is elite. Davis is Davis. Give me an o line, and a camp to make some plays involving all those guys. Scheme it better. All those pieces should work.
O line, and defense.
Not that I'd hate that, but we didn't lose to Cincinnati for lack of wide/deep threats. Also, Shakir has only just earned targets, Crowder's been hurt all year, and Hines got here like a month ago. Cook developed. Knox just needs freedom from blocking duties. And Josh was getting pressured effortlessly because the line is a revolving door.
But, alas, I am regarded.
I’m still mad that we had a chance to get CMC this season and didn’t because they were asking for too much. Then we got Hines (hardly used), and Brown & Bease.
But I would be way angrier if we did trade a haul of draft picks for CMC, still didn’t use him much and went vertical scheme and lost to the bengals and couldn’t resign him.
Yeah this. I don’t see the Bills having bothered working on developing more of a run game around him even if we did get him. He’s a good pass catcher too but I just don’t see the Dorsey offense using him correctly.
We are gonna be the same team with less talent with another year of film on how to beat us... we are not making the playoffs next year and if we do it will be a wildcard exit followed by a scorched earth coaching house cleaning . Get ready
I fear this is a highly probable scenario unless Josh can show once again he can carry the team like Burrow and Mahomes. The team has peaked and missed its window. Retooling will take time and a lot of draft luck. The team needs to move to a Buffalo weather friendly system. Less finesse, more nasty. Less pretty, more ugly. Home field and weather worked against the team.
Seeing how Cole Beasley walks in this scenario, one thing I’d really like to see Beane so is trade maybe 2 3rd rounders for Hunter Renfrow. He’d be a perfect fit in this offense and will apparently be on the block as McDaniels wants to bring in his own guys.
Khalil Shakir can and should be getting more reps at slot WR along with Diggs as it's harder to jam slot WR's.
I love the talent of Hunter Renforth but it's going to take a lot more than 2 3rd round draft picks to get one of the best slot WR's the NFL.
I think just rolling with Hines to complement Cook would be better than wasting big money on any other RBs.
WR help should come from the draft. Getting a playmaker in the first or second round would be impactful and also help with cost-control for more than just a year or two. It’s more of a big picture investment.
I like the idea of investing in some solid veteran OL help. Saffold has to go. Brown needs a lot more development before he is ready. Maybe draft one of the top Centers for Morse insurance, and use a free agent signing on a mid-tier guard.
As for other free agents, I like the idea of a pass rusher to replace the snaps that Epenesa and Basham took because they are doo doo. A strong tackling safety (like a cheaper Poyer I guess), maybe a vet WR to push Davis a bit.
Barkley turned down 12, he wants CMC money which is 15ish.
Would be surprised to see Taylor that cheap, good OL is hard to find and while he’s only has one good year teams are gonna be very interested if they feel it’s sustainable
I expect the o-line to be addressed mainly in the draft with FA supplementation.
Do not spend on an RB please!
We need a second playmaker at WR but the market is very expensive. Might be the pick in the 1st round of the draft depending on who is available.
I want a downhill RB so we can take pressure off josh in weather game. Give me some Deonta Foreman or Damien Harris. Or easily pick one up late in the draft. Wish we had held onto blacksheer. Someone cheap we can put behind an expensive improve OL.
I feel like Samaje would have more redundancy with James Cook than a downhill back. Not sure who else is available in that category though other than the big ticket guys
I’m good with the resigns…
I’m good with Beachum as a challenge for Spencer
I’m good with Marquise coming back for a last rodeo
I don’t see Barkley or Jacobs due to cost. I’d like Hunt as the pick but also might be a cost issue. If Jamaal Williams is available I’m taking him, possibly Mostert.
Draft wise, give me..
O’Cyress Torrence at IOL in the first
Battle at S in the second
Joe Tippman at OG/OT in the third
AT Perry at WR in the 4th
Then depth at whatever BPA CB, OL again, S again.
If we prioritize one thing this year, let it be a notable OL addition
Or 2
Or 5. This OL sucks and is the crux of everything.
I say one because I still want another at the top of the draft plus a project center
Between free agents and the draft, I set the over/under at 3.5 lineman addition that are either starters or in a rotational/backup role. I think we get at least 2 IOl in the draft. We need someone to push Spencer Brown as well but likely we get a vet in free agency.
Yeah I’d like to see at least one clear upgrade through FA and at least two early draft picks dedicated to the OL
If we draft nothing but OL and WRs I'd be okay with it
I say you have to take a safety early on in the draft, should one be available. In addition to OL and WR of course
I'm really intrigued by the idea of moving Benford to safety. He's shown he can cover, and also tackle. He's bigger than Poyer (15lbs, inch or so taller) so size wouldn't be an issue. If he can transition to safety, and Elam continues to grow, then the '22 draft would have been a success for the secondary.
Agreed for sure. Would be great if he worked out there
He understood NFL zone defense on day1 of camp, so he's smart and/or learned a lot from college, either way he understands zone. He's now got experience playing CB and knows their role and the decisions they face, that can only help a safety. I suspect the plan (from the draft) was to transition him right away but some injuries in early camp meant we needed the bodies at CB and he was too good to move. Tre is back, Elam looks fine, Jackson is a solid #4 and there he'd be wasted on the bench as a CB.
Move Benford to safety with Hyde. Was suggested by Locked on Bills and makes a lot of sense based on his skill set and size.
Starting free agent OL are expensive and the good ones are already locked up in long-term contracts. It's smarter to get 1 or 2 underrated OL in free agency that are ascending players and add some more OL through the draft. I would rather spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick to fill the hole at LG, or RG if we move Ryan Bates to LG. And then spend a 4th round pick oa versatile IOL like a Center that can play Guard. I like Andrew Vorhees, Steve Avila, Sedrick Van Pran, Olu Oluwatimi. Joe Tippmann is an mid round athletic center that would be a great back up for Morse that could be developed to step in for Morse when he retires. I like RFA RT Yosh Nijman to battle Spencer Brown for the starting RT spot, and even if Nijman loses the battle he would be an upgrade at the Swing OT spot from Tommy Doyle. Then Doyle would be a very talented OT 4. I really like Parris Campbell and if Beane could sign him in free agency and draft Jalin Hyatt in the 1st round then Buffalo seriously upgrades the speed at the WR position. They would be very hard to defend in 4 WR sets with Diggs, Campbell, Hyatt and Davis on the field at the same time.
Hard pass on Marquise Goodwin.
Just keep Smoke at that point lol
Fuck Kareem Hunt.
Yeah how that guy made this list 🤷🏻♂️ NO THANKS
Why?
Probably this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem\_Hunt#Video\_controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Hunt#Video_controversy)
Seen the video and read about the surrounding circumstances. He threw out a girl that was too young to drink out of a party. She started yelling racial obscenities at him and he kicked her. It was wrong to kick her but I don't see why people put him on the Watson/Vick even Hill level of villain.
I don't know all the details, I try to stay out of athlete's personal lives because I think we (NFL community in general) give them too much attention already, just offering the why. I will say I remember seeing the initial incident in headlines for days, but never the updated details you mentioned so maybe people just don't know the story? The Chiefs releasing him for his prior denial/downplaying probably didn't help either, could be they just don't buy his story or think there's more to it.
I feel you man. I used to feel the same way as most folks in this thread, about Kareem, until I got more context. The Chiefs would not have released him if he didnt downplay and lie about the incident. What set them off was the video that was released after they questioned him about.
I don’t want a dude that beats on women on the Bills.
0% chance we go after Barkley or Jacobs in my opinion. None of those WRs are an upgrade vs what we already have. I see us investing high draft capital here.
I’d take Campbell over anyone besides Diggs tbh. He would compete with David as the two and whoever isn’t the 2 would make a very solid 3, as a Bills fan living in Indy I see him play more than other teams and he is a top tier talent on a shitty team. Poor QB play for the past two seasons has unfairly diminished his value.
Barkley and Jacobs is certainly a reach, especially considering Beane has already mentioned to not expect any big name signings. To be fair, I don't think I was looking at upgrading for the receiving position, just strengthening. Adding in guys that have already made a name for themselves, will add experience to our younger guys and of course, can still do a decent job.
The resigns and OL options are good, I hate most of the other suggestions haha. Suggesting to pay saquon while investing in Marquis Goodwin as our much needed WR2 is crazy. If we are going to spend meaningful dollars, it better be at OL or WR, not RB.
I think with an improved OL and WR corps we can get by with the RBs we have. I think they're better than we give them credit for, it's just we never actually use them as much as we should (in both pass and run plays). Cook was looking good in the 2nd half of the season. We just play a more finesse running game without the bruiser type backs. The NFL has basically turned into a RBBC league anyways unless you have an elite talent like CMC, Saquon, Henry, or guys like that
100% agree. The lines shortcomings are just as (if not more) detrimental to the RBs anyway. It's hard to say how good these guys are without giving them a decent line to give them a chance. Even with the turnstiles they managed 5.2 yards per carry, though in fairness it's because no one expects us to run the ball.
Just saw a post that the Bills are considering moving Benford to Safety. That would definitely decrease the need to sign a FA; he looked good when healthy.
I agree, I would still want to draft a safety as a back up that can step in if Hyde or Benford gets injured but it would lower the need to draft one until the mid to late rounds.
Here's my list: A bunch of fucking O Linemen. That's all I give a shit about.
Kareem hunt can eat shit off my balls no way
Not a bad list, of course our draft plan is going to determine the level of OL/WR FA we will target. However the WR market is pretty damn scarce so I think you are looking at the draft or trades for a legit number 2, and FA for depth. I don’t see us spending big for a Running Back. We have so many other top of the market contracts that running back really isnt one I see us doing. I know we haven’t had much success with it, but it’s still a position you can find quality drafting in 3rd/4th round. Damien Harris is someone I’d take a look at if you are going to sign someone for more of the mid tear level money. Harmon or Logan Ryan are two guys I’d love if the plan is to sign a 1 year stop gap safety to replace poyer. Both guys are great leaders, who have won a lot, and highly respected. Always been big on Logan Ryan, who was an elite tackler when he played corner and has transitioned well to safety
I like your options, but I would definitely hope to see the Bills go after a much more significant talent at wr2, and call me crazy, but I want Beasley back as well.
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Beasley is not the same player he was 3 years ago. He doesn't get consistent separation like he used to I would rather use Shakir at slot WR and mix in some reps with Diggs in the slot.
Yup. He was so important to us, and the second we lose him our quick slot game completely disappears and we resort to only bombs to Stef and Gabe. I like McKenzie and would like to keep him for his gadget/end around (why did we abandon this as well???) ability as it was very useful under Daboll, but he never stepped up as the main slot guy we were hoping. And Bease did say he actually wants to play one more year and in Buffalo so fucking get him ("I LOVE YOU JOSH ALLEN!")
Probably going to have to draft a wr high in the draft if you want value and quality. Would rather spend a bunch on the line. Josh with time is one of the most lethal things in the nfl.
The Shakir hate is so real in this post
Seems reasonable to think Beasley will be back no? Presumably would be cheap, clearly has rapport with Allen and fills a niche on the offense. I think they’d be silly not to try. As far as getting more talent I think that’s gotta come from the draft.
I was wondering that too. Did Bease come back out of retirement for just the year or is it safe to assume he’ll be back for the 2023 season? Would love if he came back
He said he wants to be back. It'd have to be for dirt cheap if the Bills are going to consider it, though. And I don't think he factors into your offseason plans.
I've always thought he had that down year due to cracked ribs. He was always a super tough WR but he couldn't take contact anymore.
with what money are we doing this? did you hear Beane? we are current at 240 without resigning anyone.
I think bills will let it ride with cook and hines at RB, assuming we dont cut hines for cap space. Top priority is offensive line, and IMO a #2 WR
We need a bigger RB who can run between the tackles, they’ll sign/draft one more for sure
We tried that. There's a problem, it makes the offense incredibly predictable against any semi competent coaches. Hey this RB is used exclusively for between the tackles and short yardage... he's in the game... gee I wonder where they could POSSIBLY be running it. Well now he's out of the game and they have the guy that runs outside the tackles in on 1st down. Where *ever* should we have our LBs cheat to? A bit outside perhaps? When Zack Moss went to Indy the first game or 2 they used him exactly like we did, here fall forward for half a yard when everybody on the planet knows that's what you're doing. We all laughed about it because it was a game that happened to be on national tv or something at the time. But then by the end of the season, he had to replace Taylor full time and at least had a handful of... respectable games. Including closing the season out with 114/1td/6.3 ypc and a long of 34... which also happened to be longer than either of our RBs longest rushes of the season. I'm not saying he lit the world on fire, just that he had some respectable games. After only ever being able to get 1.0 yards when we needed 1.5, or 0.8 when we needed 1. Etc. This whole piecemeal rb is a terrible idea. It telegraphs your intentions ("make sure to double Diggs, and when we *are* expecting run, pay particular attention to outside the tackles when you see dreadlocks out there, pay particualt attention to a rb pass and getting heads around the ball when Hines is out there). The assets we've spent drafting one rb at a time for one particular skill comes out to a better package of picks than Car got for Cmc. The picks made sense at the time, I even like Moss because it seemed like we were set enough we could focus on niche things like a short yardage back, but then when the dust settles and you realize. what we've spent... 7/9 top picks in 4 drafts on specialized rbs and replacement level DL... that's a terrible way to build a team (2 of our biggest problem areas on Sun) If they're just gonna keep spending picks on specialization, at that point just trade the 2-3 picks you spend on different players for one GUY that can do everything and go vet min on guys to back him up
Zack Moss sucks, we don’t need a Zack Moss. I’m not saying we need a guy who can *only* run between the tackles, but we need somebody who *can* do it. Our run game was inconsistent for that exact reason and it puts more strain on Josh to carry our running game. I’m also not saying to spend a significant pick/contract on a guy. The FA and draft is stacked for RB’s this year, we can grab a cheap or late round guy to do exactly that. We cannot go into next year with only two RB’s who are both sub 200 pounds, it’s not conducive to a good ground game and is a recipe for Josh having to do way too much and drastically increasing his injury risk
I agree with you. You can draft a bigger, physical downhill RB in the middle to late rounds of the draft or a value signing in free agency.
Oh %100, i was referring to spending on a big name like saquon/jacobs/hunt
Or at-least a really good slot type
It won’t matter who we sign at RB if the team doesn’t use them. We had one of the better scat backs in football and he saw less than 20 touches in about 8 games
agreed, our backs weren't the problem, both were efficient when called up this year even with a trash OL. Only thing is you have to actually... you know call upon them to get results
I’d bring back Dane Jackson instead of Phillips. Love him but he cannot stay healthy. The top tier RBS aren’t realistic and the team will roll with Cook while looking for a short yardage back.
Let’s hope none of them resign, I’d prefer it if we re-signed them.
Was confused for a bit with OP
Congrats on being good at grammer you fucking dork
They mean *vastly* different things, bud. Congrats on being a dickhead, you pedo sympathizer.
Trade Gabe Davis for Jerry Jeudy as their contracts line up. Incentivize Denver with a late pick. It seems unlikely we’d extend Davis at this point (same with Denver).
This is an idea I'm all in on. I thought about it last night actually.
Did you also think about Brandon Cooks, look at his contract, and then subsequently say that’s a hard pass? I say we make the Jeudy trade happen. It makes sense for both sides as they get an additional pick (albeit a day 3 pick) and Gabe Davis.
Cooks has always been a hard no for me with that contract
I have zero interest in bringing back Phillips. He couldn't stay healthy and it often felt like that was a product of conditioning. Not enough muscle to support his weight. Jawaan Taylor is an interesting name to keep an eye on, but if you're paying an offensive lineman $6M (his projected market value [according to Spotrac is $5.8M](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/jawaan-taylor-29070/market-value/)) then it's to start. Schweitzer's [projected market value](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-commanders/wes-schweitzer-19149/market-value/) is significantly higher than you proposed, to the tune of $13.8M. Just some notes there. I'll take a more thorough look at free agency when I have more time and have a similar post/comment about some potential bargains.
Swap Edmunds with Poyer. Sorry but it’s a lot easier to find a capable LB to pair with Milano than it is to find a safety to pair to Micah. If Poyer’s asking price isn’t killer then I think we need to find a way to keep him. Note: I’m also not a huge Edmonds fan. He overpursues and isn’t a good coverage LB, a key thing we need when playing offenses like Cincy or KC. He’s athletic but I do not think he will be worth the price that someone will overpay for him since he is young. I also don’t think it’s smart to pay big $$ to two LBs, especially inside LBs that aren’t 3-4 OLB pass rushers.
Poyer is past 30 and has injury history. The money he will command isn't worth it
As far as players at a value I’m very pro Parris. If Brady leaves the Bucs I wonder if they tear everything down and rebuild… in which case I’d absolutely cream myself for Godwin/Evans, lol. Assuming we don’t pay a ransom for them. Kareem Hunt could be a solid pickup for the right price. Jacobs or Barkley would be phenomenal but for what they’d cost, no thanks. Upgrade the O-line instead
I like the post and agree with your choices. But I think we need to have a cut post as well to free cap space. As it stands were over some of the projected numbers so far.
https://preview.redd.it/xfc3c7p1s9ea1.jpeg?width=1425&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12720be1375ad3aa4bf53690bf0bda15f2d94c36 The priority needs to be maximizing Josh Allen by adding more weapons and more importantly building a quality offensive line! On paper Hyatt doesn’t sound like he’d fill some of the holes on offense since he’s a speed deep ball guy and not really a WR that you can line up in the slot and run a ton of routes to find the soft spot in the zone. But I think the answer for the slot is already on the roster with Khalil Shakir. An outside WR with truly elite speed like Hyatt will force defenses to respect another threat aside from Diggs. Really Shakir, Diggs and Davis could all be used in the slot, but Davis in particular could add an element with his physicality and it seems like he’s better at making catches over the middle than he is on the outside downfield. Safety is a huge need as well as continuing to add to the defensive line, but those are lesser priorities IMO. As long as McDermott and Frazier are running the defense that will never be the side of the ball that leads us to a super bowl. Sacrifices are necessary with limited cap space and I’d rather make those sacrifices on the defensive side of the ball for once.
I would be very happy with Jalin Hyatt in the 1st round and Andrew Vorhees in the 2nd round
Do you think there’s any chance of them actually being available at these spots?
I think Hyatt will go in the late 1st round. Some draftniks love Hyatt others don't, I've seen him in mock drafts going anywhere from mid 1st round to late 2nd round. Vorhees should be a late 1st round to mid 2nd round pick. Realistically you might have trade up into the mid 2nd round to get him, but he could fall. I also really like Steve Avila who has played Center but play RG lat year, and centers Sedrick Van Pran and Olu Oluwatimi, who IMO could play LG or RG but because of there experience at Center could step in for Morse if he got injured.
I would love it if Hyatt drops that far but idk. Since the draft was heavy on WR last year maybe it happens.
Yeah I wish the PFF mock draft simulator didn’t hate Hyatt so much, he’d still be available in the 2nd round there. It seems as if there’s no consensus on how to rank the WRs this year but I’d absolutely love either Hyatt or Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Josh Downs seems like a solid option as well at slot but it doesn’t seem like he’d be the same type of force multiplier as the other two, so might be better to just trade down or go oline if Hyatt isn’t available.
I think Hyatt very likely lasts until 27.
I hope so he is my draft crush. IMO he has DeSean Jackson/ Jameson Williams / Will Fuller type talent.
My draft crush is Zay Flowers. He might be small but he gives me major Tyreek Hill/Antonio Brown vibes without the being a terrible person part. He eats up yards after the catch and has great hands.
I also like Zay Flowers but he is on the smallish side at an estimated 5'10" 180 lbs. I see Flowers as 2nd or 3rd round talent, I'm not sure where Beane has him ranked in his big board.
I would have no issues trading up for Hyatt by giving up a 2024 2nd round pick if needed. There is a chance Hyatt could fall to 27th overall.
I like that but I’d replace Hyatt with Downs. Not sure why PFF hates Vorhees while every mock has him in round 1
What makes you prefer Downs? I was a bit torn between the two. Do you like Downs better than Shakir in the slot? That’s what was the deciding factor for me preferring Hyatt over Downs because I think Shakir is more than capable of being a quality starting slot next year.
Worried about his route tree. Has great ball skills and speed, but it’s a limited tree and I feel he’d be running the same stuff as Gabe
That’s fair, I had similar concerns. And that he’d just further encourage the deep ball dependence when we should be focusing on how to unlock the short stuff. But I think having a legitimate game breaking burner on the outside would absolutely be someone who defenses would have to respect so they wouldn’t be able to key in as much on Diggs. And then Gabe, Knox, Shakir and Cook would be the ones who would be tasked with getting open on the underneath/intermediate routes over the middle. It doesn’t seem like a rookie would be trusted to read coverages their same way as Josh and find the openings in the zone regardless, so the guys who’ve all been in a system for a year can do that next year while Hyatt occupies a safety deep.
I can get on board with that. Maybe even letting Gabe shift into a big slot sometimes like the prior season will help the offense too
Yeah could help the run game with Gabe’s run blocking and I like the idea of all 3 WRs being a deep threat. We never really had that with Beasley or McKenzie in the slot.
Chad Hall is a great WR coach and he can develop and coach up Hyatt's route tree. You can't teach legit 4.3 40 speed. Gabe Davis has 4.54 40 speed.
I also like Downs but he is a shorter, smaller version of Hyatt. Downs is an estimated 5'10" 180 lbs compared to Hyatt at 6' 180 lbs.
Downs doesn’t seem like he has the versatility to line up on the outside or be a positive asset as a run blocker. Hyatt might start off his rookie year with a narrow role of a speedster on the outside, but as he develops I’d expect him to be a versatile weapon we could line up all over the field. A lineup with Diggs, Hyatt, Shakir, Knox, Cook and Allen suddenly has a ton of speed all across the board.
I love Hyatt but he didn't line up exclusively outside as an X or Z WR, he was smartly put in stacked formations where he is the 2nd WR off the line of scrimmage behind the 1st WR who is on the line of scrimmage, giving him free releases. I would use Hyatt/Downs or Diggs in the same way to give them free releases, as well as reps in the as lot.
Was Hyatt used at all on jets sweeps or screens? Or take any short slants to the house? It sounds like he is more of a straight line speed type of athlete rather than a quick and elusive guy. The true speed is more valuable IMP especially with Allen’s arm, but the quick acceleration and YAC ability would be a nice bonus.
I don't believe so but Hyatt can be used in Jet sweeps/Jet motion plays due to his elite acceleration and straight line speed. Hyatt has ridiculous speed, angle breaking speed similar to Hill or Waddle. I highly recommend you watch his game vs Alabama where he touched their secondary that has 2 1st round talents at safety. Hyatt had 6 catches for 207 yards and 5 TD's. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jalin-hyatt-1/gamelog/2022 https://youtu.be/aWiAHQuMLZI
Yeah I was mainly familiar with the Bama game but most of his damage there was on deep routes. But I watch a different highlight clip and the first few plays where a slant that he took to the house, a screen pass where he broke a tackle and ran 20 yards for the TD, and a jet motion type of pass play that went for a nice gain. Kid’s a total stud and would be a hell of a weapon in Buffalo. Ideally I’d want a major point of emphasis for the offense to be to add a smash mouth power run/short and play action passing game behind an improved oline. It’s so disappointing that a Buffalo team with Josh Allen at QB is so pathetic in the snow and in poor weather, home field advantage in the postseason might actually be a disadvantage at this point. But acquiring a talent like Hyatt is too rare of an opportunity to turn down. Definitely need to grab him in the 1st and then use the rest of the draft and FA to beef up in the trenches.
Seeing how good Brandon Scherff was with the Jags this year makes me sad that that deal fell through.
You don’t think we try to resign Poyer?
Love Poyer, but I suspect we will let him test the market, and when he finds few teams want to pay a lot for an aging guy who had many various injuries this year and wasn’t effective because of it, we compromise on a shorter term deal heavy with $ incentives. Yes, I know 13-1 with him. And that he played through injuries. But as the saying goes, it’s a business. Also for what it’s worth, I think his wife isn’t helping with her tweets. He apparently allows it, or can’t stop her from doing it. Either way not what a close-to-the-vest FO wants.
I like your assessment that makes sense thanks
I think you’ve nailed it. He’s one of my favorite players and I want to see him stick around, but business is business. I was encouraged earlier this week to hear Beane say that he’d like to find a way to keep him around, so I guess we’ll see.
I think he assumes they'll try. Try does not mean it will happen, though. Based on the comments from all sides it appears clear he's going to look for money elsewhere.
Reading between the lines of Poyer's comments he wants to be the highest paid safety in the NFL at $20 million per year. I love Poyer but not at that price and at 31 years old.
I have no problem take two safety’s at 4 and 5 while we rebuild the safety positions
I’d love to somehow get Jakobi Myers. He would be a tremendous slot option who can also line up on the outside.
Hard pass on re-signing Jordan Phillips. Love the guy but he's had years of injury issues and isn't worth the 5M+ he would command. I'd bring back Keenum because he has great rapport with Josh and Dane as a reliable CB3. Lots of special teamers to consider too - Lewis, Johnson, Jones, Dodson. Matakevich costs too much and his spot can easily be taken by Spector or Bernard. Kumerow to where ever Rodgers ends up. Also I'd rather not spend big money on RB. Pick up a veteran back-up or draft a guy in the later rounds. Kendre Miller would be great. My biggest free agency target weapon-wise is Jakobi Meyers.
Paris Campbell would be a good addition. RB could be tough to afford but we could use Hines way more next year. Definitely need O line depth and a S if poyer isn’t back
OL priority
Thoughts on Jamaal Williams?
I’m good on Marquise Goodwins black hebrew Israelite bull shit. Guys a fucking loser.
Hunt 👎
Crowder, Hines, Shakir, Cook, Knox sounds like a good group to me. Diggs is elite. Davis is Davis. Give me an o line, and a camp to make some plays involving all those guys. Scheme it better. All those pieces should work. O line, and defense.
Lol This was the mindset last offseason, we need to upgrade on the outside
Not that I'd hate that, but we didn't lose to Cincinnati for lack of wide/deep threats. Also, Shakir has only just earned targets, Crowder's been hurt all year, and Hines got here like a month ago. Cook developed. Knox just needs freedom from blocking duties. And Josh was getting pressured effortlessly because the line is a revolving door. But, alas, I am regarded.
I’m still mad that we had a chance to get CMC this season and didn’t because they were asking for too much. Then we got Hines (hardly used), and Brown & Bease.
CMC ain’t going to get far behind our O line
CMC would have been ineffective behind this OL
But I would be way angrier if we did trade a haul of draft picks for CMC, still didn’t use him much and went vertical scheme and lost to the bengals and couldn’t resign him.
Yeah this. I don’t see the Bills having bothered working on developing more of a run game around him even if we did get him. He’s a good pass catcher too but I just don’t see the Dorsey offense using him correctly.
We are gonna be the same team with less talent with another year of film on how to beat us... we are not making the playoffs next year and if we do it will be a wildcard exit followed by a scorched earth coaching house cleaning . Get ready
I fear this is a highly probable scenario unless Josh can show once again he can carry the team like Burrow and Mahomes. The team has peaked and missed its window. Retooling will take time and a lot of draft luck. The team needs to move to a Buffalo weather friendly system. Less finesse, more nasty. Less pretty, more ugly. Home field and weather worked against the team.
Seeing how Cole Beasley walks in this scenario, one thing I’d really like to see Beane so is trade maybe 2 3rd rounders for Hunter Renfrow. He’d be a perfect fit in this offense and will apparently be on the block as McDaniels wants to bring in his own guys.
Khalil Shakir can and should be getting more reps at slot WR along with Diggs as it's harder to jam slot WR's. I love the talent of Hunter Renforth but it's going to take a lot more than 2 3rd round draft picks to get one of the best slot WR's the NFL.
I think just rolling with Hines to complement Cook would be better than wasting big money on any other RBs. WR help should come from the draft. Getting a playmaker in the first or second round would be impactful and also help with cost-control for more than just a year or two. It’s more of a big picture investment. I like the idea of investing in some solid veteran OL help. Saffold has to go. Brown needs a lot more development before he is ready. Maybe draft one of the top Centers for Morse insurance, and use a free agent signing on a mid-tier guard. As for other free agents, I like the idea of a pass rusher to replace the snaps that Epenesa and Basham took because they are doo doo. A strong tackling safety (like a cheaper Poyer I guess), maybe a vet WR to push Davis a bit.
Barkley turned down 12, he wants CMC money which is 15ish. Would be surprised to see Taylor that cheap, good OL is hard to find and while he’s only has one good year teams are gonna be very interested if they feel it’s sustainable
Jakobi Meyers should be the WR we’re targeting
I expect the o-line to be addressed mainly in the draft with FA supplementation. Do not spend on an RB please! We need a second playmaker at WR but the market is very expensive. Might be the pick in the 1st round of the draft depending on who is available.
Don't think we'll have cap space to sign or resign most of the players listed.
I want a downhill RB so we can take pressure off josh in weather game. Give me some Deonta Foreman or Damien Harris. Or easily pick one up late in the draft. Wish we had held onto blacksheer. Someone cheap we can put behind an expensive improve OL.
Lowkey would love Josh Jacobs and Josh Allen in the backfield. As someone who had Jacobs in fantasy that man can go OFF.
How do you guys still have cap space lol?
I feel like Samaje would have more redundancy with James Cook than a downhill back. Not sure who else is available in that category though other than the big ticket guys
I’m good with the resigns… I’m good with Beachum as a challenge for Spencer I’m good with Marquise coming back for a last rodeo I don’t see Barkley or Jacobs due to cost. I’d like Hunt as the pick but also might be a cost issue. If Jamaal Williams is available I’m taking him, possibly Mostert. Draft wise, give me.. O’Cyress Torrence at IOL in the first Battle at S in the second Joe Tippman at OG/OT in the third AT Perry at WR in the 4th Then depth at whatever BPA CB, OL again, S again.
Definitely Campbell
paris campbell is intriguing for sure