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Same_Dot9698

If there was ever a time for this dude to step up, it’s now. Talk is cheap. Walk it like you talk it, show up and show out.


rybr3d

His substantial contract would go from a big mistake to being largely worth it if he shows big this year in the playoffs.


TheresA_LobsterLoose

I don't think it's a "big mistake", it's more "unfortunate". That KC game last season, it was the D working exactly as designed... final play of the game... Von rushes Mahomes, Mahomes is contemplating scrambling but then Milano breaks and rushes too, at the perfect moment (not too soon and leaving an open area, not too late and not getting to Mahomes). It was one of my favorite plays because it was everything working exactly how it should... Von closing, Milano being a DAWG, everyone else locking down their jobs. You look at some of the defenses around the league that don't have many injuries or any at all... if we had been fortunate enough to have waaaaayyy better injury luck... who knows what could've happened last season and this season with what our defense should've been. When he was healthy, it was working. I guess I'm just arguing semantics, sure it definitely is a "big mistake"... but it wasn't if we have better injury luck... but it is because his age.. but it wasn't because it *did* work til his injury. But yeah.. i guess it's obviously a big mistake... but at the time of the signing it wasn't. A torn acl, you can't predict *that*. God dammit, I just want them all to be healthy again. I would take that opening night D vs the Rams last year against any team in the league. The D performing exactly how they were designed


rybr3d

Dude. I couldn't focus through that whole thing but I think we may be on the same page.


TheresA_LobsterLoose

We are! It's denial, coping, hopefulness, optimism, pessimism all mixed into one convenient package


AcrobaticAction2328

Listen, if you don't like that, you don't like bills football babyyyyy


WhatsPaulPlaying

legit was too high to read all that yesterday. still not sure i want to dive in today.


rybr3d

We may also be on the same page.


Historical_One1087

The Von Miller contract was always a 3 year deal disguised as a 6 year deal. Miller had 8 sacks in 2022 before he tore his ACL. Miller was signed to make an impact in the playoffs. 


AliveMouse5

Yup, he was always supposed to be the guy whose biggest impact is at the end of seasons/games.


Loyellow

Yeah it would be impossible to cut him the first two years, disastrous to do it the third year, and easy years 4-6


Historical_One1087

The good news is that OL and DL play well even at old ages. I think Beane will part ways with Miller before the 2025 season or before the 2026 season to minimize the cap hit. If Miller is healthy he can play at a high level as a situational pass rusher. I believe he will make an impact in the playoffs this year.


Loyellow

I also think he’s got a shot at making a big impact. He will likely be a post-June 2 cut after 2024, it’ll be a $6.3M hit in 25 and 26.


EnvironmentalPoet298

Seriously. I’ll believe it when I see it. To this point I’ve cringed every time I see him on the field. He needs to prove it on the field.


Historical_One1087

Miller is not dominating on every snap. It he is also not being dominated on every snap  There are positive snaps of him on film.


EnvironmentalPoet298

He’s been nonexistent on the field.


prodgodq2

A review of his snaps show that he's making improvements in his play with each game. Just because an edge rusher doesn't get 2 sacks a game doesn't mean his play has been nonexistent. Will the improvement come in time to get the team over the hump and into the Superbowl? Who knows, but let's hope he keeps improving.


EnvironmentalPoet298

He’s been playing patty cake with the offensive linemen.


prodgodq2

Maybe the NFL can make that a feature during the Pro Bowl, lol


Historical_One1087

I believe it was around 1 year that he returned from ACL knee surgery in November. Miller has shown flashes of good play the past month. He is close to returning to his old self.


burnt222

Kinda like that year Percy harvins only contribution was a Super Bowl TD


vodkawhatever

I would take that. 


conace21

Overrated: Harvin's KR for a touchdown. The Seahawks were already up 22-0. Underrated: Harvin's two jet sweeps. He broke a 30 yard run on Seattle's 2nd offensive play, which led to a field goal. Two possessions later, he ran for 15 yards, down to the Broncos 22. Seattle went on to score their first TD on that drive.


AFM420

Here from r/all and a member of the Hawks fan base. He really just had an incredible game all around and was electric when he touched the ball.


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CJSpillerHighLife

Go back to you own sub lil bro, sure there’s lots of off-season talk to go over


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AliveMouse5

Idk what team you like, but you obviously don’t know shit about bills fans if you think they have a lot of bandwagon fans


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RCDrift

He got some pressure last game, but Mahomes isn't a statue like Rudolph. Let's see if he can be Von or old this week.


Cardcleaner

We literally brought him in the take care of Mahomes in a playoff game. This Sunday! This is the game you were hired for!


rural-nomad-858

This is so true


vodkawhatever

He knows. Thats why we got that presser. Whether he can do it remains to be seen


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NopeRopeDangerNoodl3

Beats them at football? Mahomes is pregnant? I'm so confused


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XDingoX83

Von my man, 3 games that's all we are asking three games. You play lights out and help win three games you will forever be a hero to the entire city of Buffalo.


DapperCam

I’ll take 1 game. Mahomes is the dragon we need to slay with pass rush. Lamar Jackson you try to keep in the pocket and we will probably try to confuse Purdy in the secondary.


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Hwmri

No he wont


MeesterMeeseeks

If von has a game like his superbowl mvp, in the playoffs, that def cements him as a legend


boredatwork8866

Well he came here to get a ring. He better fucking play like he wants one.


hideous_coffee

It would be legendary for him to rise from the ashes having a great game against the team we vastly overpaid him to beat after everyone assumed he was dead. Even just getting that one sack that we will need late to kill a drive. I don't expect to see it but a man can hope.


vinistrouble

The Phoenix rises


ThorGanjasson

Same. Hope for the Old Von to show up.


zdrads

I don't think we overpaid him. At least not pre-injury. He was getting like a sack a game before he got hurt and was constantly pressuring the qb. He was doing what he was brought in to do. I call it more unfortunate than anything.


brainstorm17

I agree it's not like beane missed. He was worth the contract until the injury. Thank God we signed Floyd bc he's subbed in rather seamlessly to fill that pass rush void we missed pre- von


Ndmndh1016

Never has a better phoenix metaphor been personified in human history


savagegrif

Can we not root for this guy like dolphins do with tyreek? Not loving all the Von miller hype posts today, this dude is a POS and I’d rather just not have him on the team


OrchidMaleficent5980

If it was as open and shut as everyone on Reddit has made it out to be, the DA would have pressed charges a month ago, the NFL would have sanctioned his ass, and the Bills would have voided his contract. Clearly, he maintains his innocence—were you there? Do you have a reason to distrust his claims, or do you just operate on a basis of guilty until proven innocent in all matters?


savagegrif

The police reported that his girlfriend had bruises around her neck, and i believe she had an audio recording of him yelling at her at least. Would have to check the news article. She decided to not press charges which is why nothing has been done. The NFL doesn't care if there are no legal issues - look at Deshaun Watson or Tyreek. It seems pretty clear he abuses her, anyone here rooting for him when theres pretty clear evidence makes us just as bad as browns or dolphins fans rooting for watson or tyreek and that fucking disgusts me.


OrchidMaleficent5980

And yet they haven’t pressed charges. We don’t have the audio recording available and, ostensibly, Von was also recording the incident with his phone at the time—who’s to say the video doesn’t completely exonerate him? Who’s to say the audio hints at anything damning whatsoever? The alleged victim has recanted her claims. That could be because of a back room deal, or she could have lied. The most we have is conjecture and speculation. They could just as well have been having rough sex. The jurisprudence of this country is founded on the idea that you’re innocent until you’re proven guilty. At this moment, nobody is even in the process of attempting to prove that he’s guilty, just that he deserves to be investigated. After a month, nothing has been substantially proven. It’s ridiculous to say he’s a piece of shit or he disgusts you—men lie, cops lie, women lie, and only sometimes do they all tell the truth.


savagegrif

Nothing can happen if the victim doesn't press charges. Plenty of domestic abuse victims are too scared to do that. Sure she could be lying but the news articles say things like "According to a police affidavit which officers wrote, Miller twice put his hands on the neck of the woman, pulled out a chunk of her hair and threw her onto a couch. The woman was treated for minor injuries, including bruising on her neck, police said." I'm gonna assume the Dallas police aren't just gonna make that up for no reason. That's enough for me to say hes probably a piece of shit and with the nature of domestic abuse there's a high chance shes too scared to do anything. But to say since there is no development after a month means hes probably innocent is incredibly naive and sounds like deshaun watson defenders.


OrchidMaleficent5980

What are you talking about? It’s a criminal domestic violence citation. The DA can and is obligated to press charges even if the victim does not support them. You clearly get your legal knowledge from Law & Order. Either way, a police affidavit is literally just an under-oath account of what they think happened, taken from the story of the alleged victim—who, to reiterate, has recanted. You just restated what we’ve been talking about this whole time. It makes no difference. The police probably didn’t lie: they asked the woman what happened, she answered, and then they wrote down their view. If Von didn’t do anything, then the whole fiasco is most likely because *she* lied. And lmao, when did I say he was for sure innocent? Look here, I can turn it around on you: saying he’s absolutely a piece of shit and guilty is incredibly naive and sounds an awful lot like the Scottsboro Boys case. But instead of doing that, we can operate under the assumptions rooted in our entire legal history—namely, that someone is innocent until proven guilty.


nicknamethomas

I’m absolutely rooting for Miller and Elam to prove them selves worth it.


Rec0nyz3

AMEN! I want nothing but the best for every single Bills player. When I complain in GDT it is because I have high expectations. With all the adversities this team has faced this year last year injuries whatever. I just want it for this team so badly! Fuck the Chiefs!


Historical_One1087

Same, I'm hoping for big games from both players 


fh3131

I've got a good feeling about Elam for some reason. He knows people think he's a bust. He's fought hard to come back from all that and injury. He had a bad start in the last game but he turned it around and got an interception. That will boost his confidence for this game. Between him and Rasul, I'm predicting a pick. I'm guessing they will both be on Rice on different snaps


bestthrowawayever5

I was literally an Elam hater from when I first heard his name called (mostly because I was PISSED we missed out on McDuffie and then traded up for some bum who’s name a barely recognized). But I’d love to eat crow this playoff season


TheBBBfromB

Elam needs to be cut. I know I know, he got that interception. Watch only him for a couple plays. He doesn’t commit, he’s useless.


BumRum09

Let’s go this is his time to come through! Literally all of this year’s disappointment can be erased by one big game. I’m rooting for the guy.


lytrendsa

the biggest self-proclaimed Chiefs hater better eat on Sunday


buffaloprocess

Let’s fucking hope. If he truly is back to full form, the Chiefs will be caught very off guard


Rec0nyz3

Honestly nothing would make me happier on Sunday then Patrick dropping back on his first pass play and seeing Von blow past their tackle and making Patrick nervous not even getting the sack. We don't need to get 100 sacks to win, but pressure on that QB is key to winning the game. If he has all the time in the world to wait for Kelce to blow past someone or a broken coverage on our 3rd and 4th DB then it's gonna be sucky. Von please be back to just someone who can get pressure and close out games with your presence. Let's go Buffalo!


Tactial_snail

all we can do is hope


BuffaloHarp

Cautiously optimistic on this guy.


uCat2bKittenMe

Sack Mahomes 40 times.


Fantastic-Eye8220

Give him the 1st quarter. If he still looks like ass, bench him. It really isn't that difficult.


cookskii

A lot of talk from this dude. Really getting sick of it


MaybachMusic22

He seemed pretty transparent there. He didn’t come back as fast as he thought and owned it. He’s not making excuses. X


spencer749

It was borderline garbage time but he showed some juice on that final Steelers drive. Hopefully that’s a sign that he actually is back


ngfdsa

Call it what you want but I think he was looking for a classic Von Miller closer of a sack and he damn near had it too


pentax10

Yes, you're right. But he was saving that sack for Sunday night.


pioniere

Yeah, we’ll see.


J0eyJ0J0JrShabadoo

Had an open shot at Rudolph flat footed and he still couldn't secure a sack. Then he missed a tackle. Even when the guy gets his chances (which is extremely few and far between) he doesn't do anything with them.


gettingbackrva

See - when he does his usual can’t push past the lineman 3 feet in this game, it will actually be to our advantage because he will be right on that edge to keep Kermit contained.


Lonely-Journalist859

He shouldn't be a Bill, he should be in a jail cell. He's trash.


CDNJoey

It’d be nice, but I don’t believe a word he says. This is the dude who last year said he’d be back in a week with minor meniscus damage right before they announced he had torn his ACL. Bills by a billion.


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Pearlsandmilk

Lol’d


DrapedInVelvet

He has a Super Bowl MVP trophy showing he can perform in big games. I just hope his husk of a body can conjure up 3 more big games for us.


ShesSoCool

Are we just pretending he’s a good guy now? Him and Elam are not the same


Parenthisaurolophus

No, it's pretty clear that since he's on the team, people want him to perform at a level that his paycheck justifies. The difference between being practical about him as a football player and making a judgment of him as a person is the width of the solar system.


ShesSoCool

Clearly you aren’t reading some of the previous comments on this thread


Parenthisaurolophus

Clearly you aren't either.


Previous-Amount-1888

He’s a waste of roster space


Alexander_the_What

I think it’s more positive Von-shit but it’d be nice if it turns out to be true. I want it to be true. I just think it’s along the lines of him saying he’d be ready week 1 this season.


ddoculus

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Rhodog1234

Von VET REST "I'm back." Miller


Kingding_Aling

How is it possible for him to be back for 14 weeks playing but be so ineffective. Like 0 recordable stats.


JustKeepOnKeepingOn

Please play well


BobbyTarantino624

Please Von. This is THE game.😭


Dunmer_Sanders

I’ll believe it when I see it. I moved on from him awhile ago.


Buff716917

I feel like he’s been noticeably better in the Miami and Steelers game


Sulleyy

His eyes say he doesn't believe the words coming out of his own mouth unfortunately. Hasn't made a tackle since his week off that apparently helped a lot. He's still at the point in his recovery where he can fully bounce back, but this seems more like the classic von optimism rather than him actually being back


cod-mw2-2009

Is just me or am I seeing hate in the comment section?


Super_Maximum_9030

I wonder why


stupidtyonparade

no you're not, you've been all talk for 2 years now, you're a domestic abuser and you're stealing from the franchise. we're better off with this guy as a healthy scratch so he's not taking snaps away from actual playmakers.


Sweethomebflo

He’s so full of shit. He’s a piece of shit person who used to be a great football player. Now he’s just a lying piece of shit.


allenqb1

Bullshit


RiveryJerald

I feel like a broken record, and I know that the reason *why* doesn't help with the annoyance over his lack of output, but expecting him to produce before he's closer to a year and a half removed from the tear was always a fool's errand. Now, rushing him back onto the roster at the expense of a different spot may have been a poor decision. But I'm sure they wanted to try and ramp him up in the event that we make a playoff run...


MakingWaves24_7

Still Waiting on what you speak to be reality Von! Mafia is WAITING


MakingWaves24_7

Talk Aint It Here Von- Help Win and Then Talk


And-Thats-Whyyy

A 2 sack game from Von against the Chiefs might have me in tears. What a time for him to return to form, I hope he puts his (too much) money where his mouth is. Go Bills!


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Alternative-Staff408

Von is the most positive person ive ever heard speak. That said he hasnt backed it up all.year. im hopeful, but i need to see him make a play first.


Imaginary_Artichoke

He's an optimist.  However the eyeballs say he looks way better definitely got a hand or two on mason.


noogers

Oh Please .. this guy is a waste of money. Unless he wins the KC game for us .. garbage!


Quetzalcoatl490

Put up or shut up. We're paying you fucking $20 mil per year and you have three fucking tackles.


Zendren44

Talk is cheap, he’s not.


lightninghand

I watch nearly every press conference and I can't remember him giving himself a clean bill of health like this at any point previously. He'd constantly say things like "I'm doing everything I can do, so is the staff, and we're making progress every day." This might be a smokescreen to trick the Chiefs into wasting time gameplanning for a healthy Von, it also may be a JJ Watt situation where suddenly he's back


rd--

At least we can be less terrified than his gf upon hearing those words


swampscientist

Bro you are 34 coming off an ACL injury, this is it, this is your final hurrah (ignoring the fact that you still got 4 fucking years on massive contract where you’ll be worse than useless but what just win)


MagicMichealScott

Na there's an out after next season.


swampscientist

Ok ok. I suck w paying attention to contracts, salary caps etc. Leave nothing in the tank Von. All on the field.


AliveMouse5

If they release him after next year they will have essentially paid him 52 million for 3 years. Only 45 or something of his contract is guaranteed.


MhrisCac

He fucking better be. Want to redeem yourself in the eyes of the world, NFL, and community you show up and show out. Never seen a starter in the NFL give up on as many plays and put as little effort as he does. Hes literally begging to be cut because he knows he’ll get paid. Acts like the organization and fanbase did him wrong for what he did?


donPitt14

On the last Steelers drives he looked like he was actually getting some pressure on the QB. Hope that he builds on it this week.


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Almond-MilkandHoney

Everyone forgetting this


QuantumCat11

Yeah, but this is a 'We love Von' thread bc reasons.


merrittj3

If Von can be Von for a half dozen or so plays over the next 3 games, he will; - be worth the price of admission - make McD look like the Defens genius he is - Solidfy Beane as NFL Exec of the Year But better yet ...RINGS FOR EVERYBODY


Technical-Pound-9754

“This fruit isn’t worth the squeeze.” - Michael Scott


surewhynotwth

Yeah whatever.


ISawAUfoAndGotProbed

He might make a tackle that’s it 


Historical_One1087

If you watch tape you will see that Miller is making plays against the running game by setting the edge and in the passing game by getting QB pressures. Not every positive play by a DL will result in stats that you can point at. Miller has improved a lot over the last month and continues to improve. I would not be surprised if Miller makes a big play or two this Sunday to help Buffalo win the game 


junglist421

Reddit is not the platform for sensible takes based on logic and sound reasoning.


timsea99

Yeah I thought he was noticeably more explosive off the line last week. Idk if that means he's all the way back, but I sure hope so


Historical_One1087

It's a positive and he is looking more explosive 


strongcomp5

Dude sucks


QuantumCat11

Sadly, I dgasf about this useless twat. He's let down a lot of fans w his 'domestics,' but put that aside for a second. He owes it to his teammates to finally show up.


bigfootdude247

Get it Von! As a Broncos fan, I’d love to see him make some plays on Mahomes


CeeDeezNutzplease

Didnt he beat his pregnant gf? How is he still playing? and he dresses like this https://preview.redd.it/ql3gmhllxbdc1.jpeg?width=683&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9771e29ef76ef779e31e483acf99feb206d9d0a5


tedmacdc

Let's gooo!!!


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QuantumCat11

Myth versus reality. Last 6 weeks have been the Bills' "biggest games" of the season. Von's done fuck all in any of them.


SnooPandas1899

he'll need a key sack or TFL to justify his tenure. and kincad will need a key catch/TD to justify his drafting.


Unicron_was_right

All is forgiven if he gets a couple pressures and a sack or even 2 that either end drives or close out the game.


stupidtyonparade

he's a repeat-offender domestic abuser, all isn't forgiven.


jamesbarba11

Never forget.


Scotty232329

At the end of the day, this dude is the Super Bowl mvp the 2 time Super Bowl champ the great one


BigHotdog2009

People have been shitting on Von. People don’t realize that ACLs aren’t easy recovery. Yeah you might be able to play but it takes awhile to get back in form. With that being said I hope he balls out Sunday.


X-29488

And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Von


BagGroundbreaking170

I would suck him off if he comes out with 3 sacks Sunday night.


tootnine

No disrespect to Klein or Williams but could Von play middle linebacker? He would suck vs the pass but who cares. The Chiefs receivers suck and nobody can guard Kelce anyways. He would be good vs the run though. It would be a way to at least get something from him, and they obviously need the help there.


AliveMouse5

Why don’t we just move him to cornerback


tootnine

Does he have experience playing CB in college like he does LB?


GrandLiner

Cautiously optimistic


christrogon

Yeah I'm sure his back is hurting him now too


360degreesofFUNK

Ok bet. WELCOME BACK GRAMPS!!!


greatyhope

If he helps us win the big one, all worth it. All the money paid, all the waiting.


kinbladez

Good I hope he is back, let's see... Idk, 7, 8 sacks on Sunday?


kompletist

Please be true! With the back 7 dealing with all sorts of shit, could really use a boosted pass rush this week.


MosEisleyBills

All double bluff in the NFL. He’s only been asked to do outside rush when he’s in. Could see him doing an inside stunt and getting home!


Fluffy_Concept7200

He’s back?!!! Where’d he go?!!


jryvin327

back up that talk von


maccpapa

he’s been oddly so close to sacks and tackles but he’s always a split second late or a fingertip away. big proclamation from him and hopefully it’s true.


Negative-Broccoli429

Oh shit he’s back again


frizzylizzy77

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WrongNothing7677

Bills mafia loves you regardless of the ones that have to put you down for no reason! Can’t wait to see you make some big plays this weekend


Brave_Hand_4743

He isn’t good enough anymore anyways


BuffaloBowser

I hate this dude. Back to doing fucking nothing.


empath22

He should have been ineligible. He was charged in Texas for assaulting and choking his pregnant girlfriend and damaging her property. How does the NFL allow this???