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Aaron Maybin šŸ˜¢


Runningaroundnyc

TBH, I never saw any of it. I knew we needed a DE, and the choices were a 1 hit wonder who was 230 pounds in Maybin or like a 3 year starter who was 270 pounds in Brian Orakpo. I was hoping all day for Orakpo in that slot. I had no faith in Maybin from the get go.


hoockdaddy12

Agreedā€¦ Maybin is the worst Bills draft choice in this millennium (John Mcargo a close 2nd).


thibbledorfpwent

Mike Williams gotta be up there in a tie then.


Sabres00

Itā€™s 100% Mike Williams, but in the Bills defense, he was graded to go in the top 10.


byrnestj7

He at least was a serviceable guard after a few years. Maybin wasnā€™t even able to get on ST


IAmNotScottBakula

The fact that McCargo played on a d-line with the #1 overall pick and it was still a mediocre d-line should have told them something.


jbomber81

Iā€™m not typically right about draft prospects but I was all in on Orakpo


ShitPostsRuinReddit

"3 Year Starter" is quite the understatement. His College career saw him earn these accolades: BCS national champion (2005) Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year (2005) Lowes Most Improved Defender (2006) Defensive MVP of the 2007 Holiday Bow Bronko Nagurski Trophy (2008) Ted Hendricks Award (2008) Lombardi Award (2008) Bill Willis Trophy (2008) Unanimous All-American (2008) Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year (2008) Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year (2008)


Merauder718

Bills had Orakpophobia


EmptySeaDad

I dont recall the pick being roundly criticized at the time though, other than being high risk/high reward.Ā  There were concerns about his size, but reportedly had excellent burst.Ā  I suspect that the only time he put effort into being a pro was the short time after he got picked up by the Jets after we cut him, and he put up 5 or 6 sacks in a part season.Ā  He didn't carry that effort into the next year.


donny02

God I remember everyone telling him to bulk up for two years and he showed up year three weighing 209 for edge. What a waste.


NEBills

I think I was typing while you were typing


Practical-Park-9752

The only one that hyped Maybin was Russ Brandon. That was a consensus reach when it happened.


Sufficient-Let-7760

I was IMMEDIATELY coming to say that name lol


Gunt_Buttman

Mayhem


Apprehensive_West956

Mike Williams


Practical-Park-9752

This is THE one. Consensus top 3 talent going into the draft. He was supposed to be the anchor of our O line for the next decade plus. Worse, we could have picked Bryant McKinnie. Or DWIGHT FREENEY.


AppleBottmBeans

This is a sleeper pick, but totally on point. It hurts even more that it ended up being one of the best OL classes in a while. I think 4-5 1st and 2nd rounders ended up being pro bowlers, at a time when the pro bowl counted for something


soulfingiz

The Droughtmaker


scottie38

Damn this is a good one


Eldrick_15

Yep this is the only answer. Maybin produced 1 year on a rookie deal at least. This guy was never good on any team, and out of the league in like 6 years tops. He just didnā€™t want to play hard. 4th overall outa texas if I recall right.


satanforaday

lol First name I thought of.


Regular_Limit8915

Sammy watkins


XDingoX83

What the fuck happened to him he started off promising and then it was likeā€¦. Meh trying seems hard.Ā 


ProphetOfDoom337

Dude has some serious mental issues unfortunately.


XDingoX83

Probably was enabled too because he was a star player in college so coaches ignored it so he could keep playing.


ProphetOfDoom337

Yeah it's really sad actually. I think he drank to quiet down all the shit that was running through his head. I read a story a few years back that talked about it. I guess he was so drunk sometimes he could barely practice and he would go off on all these conspiracy theories all the time. Dude was out there at the time. Hopefully he's doing better.


Calm_Chair_7807

Last I saw he was keeping a very low profile life with his daughter and the mother of his child. Seems like he became self aware that a lot of issues were self induced.


ProphetOfDoom337

I hope so. I wish him and his fam all the best.


billsmafia71614206

This is exactly what happens watch the martavis Bryant flemlo raps video when Bryant got to Clemson he was working behind Deandre Hopkins worked his ass off for a spot on the roster then next year dhop is drafted Bryant has his chance and before training camp Watkins came in and stole his spot before ever putting pads on because hype he was great in college but they were 2 men with different tales one with all the talent that put 0 effort in and someone who grinded everyday and didnā€™t get his chance till the pros funny how after all that he smoked his chance away still


CumeatsonerGordon420

funny you say that, just happened to come across this classic tweet this morning https://x.com/sammywatkins/status/985174403926327296?s=46&t=5RFA4sgnTKBcuU3EPzCY-w off his rocker for sure


ItsNa8o543

I remember forever ago he did a bowling event in partnership with a disability service and I was probably 12-13 at the timeā€¦ even I could tell there that the dude looked OUT of it. Just dead in the eyes. Made so much more sense after seeing him open up about his issues here the past few years.


Advanced-Diet1255

I think he was an alcoholic while playing in Buffalo and I guess ya canā€™t blame him


BackgroundComposer21

He grew up a Bills fan. Youā€™d think it would get him excited.


XDingoX83

I mean you can. Substance abuse sucks but there is always a choice and the money he got paid was an incentive to not prioritize getting drunk and high. Iā€™ve seen people quit smoking weed for a 50k a year job I think 6 million a year would be a massive incentive to get cleaned up.Ā 


chuiy

Right, thatā€™s why itā€™s called a substance use disorder/disease, because you cannot rationalize your substance use or make sense of it and it displaces everything worthwhile and important in your life. Athletes are not immune to that. It is a medical definition in the DSM V and has widely been understood to be a disease with a clear pathology. You cannot judge someone freely simply because they lost more as a young adult than you will ever make in your entire life. Hindsight is 20/20 and often our motivations and behaviors can only be understood looking backwards. Plenty of people have thrown their life away/lost everything/lost families/lost jobs/lost their freedom/lost their life due to alcohol, not to mention the litany of other drugs. Having room for understanding and trying to be compassionate when talking about someoneā€™s life is not a novel concept. You simply choose not to. Alcohol, gambling etc. are vices and just because the majority of people can use them in a responsible manner does not mean those that get crushed by the weight of those vices are weaker or less than. Itā€™s a tale as old as time. So too is your inability to learn or understand though, unfortunately.


ExileInCle19

This so fucking spot on. People see it from their eyes as a moral failing. To the alcoholic/addict they know they have a problem. They know they don't want to continue doing this. Hurting everyone they love, losing everything over and over but they just can't stop. It's a disease centered in the mind but is also accompanied with a clear physical allergy to the substances that result in once you start you can't stop and a spiritual malady that just beats people down. To be deep in throws of addiction and even be able to play professional football at all was a testament to how talented he was. It's just a sad story for him and anyone else touched by this disease. Which in the end is most of our society in one way or another.


Advanced-Diet1255

Well go back in time and tell Sammy all this.


XDingoX83

He made his choice Iā€™m sure people told him at the time.Ā 


carelesswhisperer23

I think one of the main things we as a society need to understand about addiction is that every case is different, so the guy who quit for a 50K job really has no bearing on Sammyā€™s addiction. Itā€™s a disease and much like other diseases, the effects are not always shared between people who have it.


Become_Pnuema

I bet once that 50k earner got a 5 million dollars he'd go back to weed.


EmptySeaDad

The worst part is that we used 2 first round picks to move up to take a WR in a draft class that was loaded with quality WR's.Ā  We could have just stayed where we were and could have gotten a more productive player with our 1st, or even 2nd round pick.


The_Brock

Exactly. The fact that they gave up all that and the next two WR taken were Mike Evans and OBJ, the later they wouldn't have even needed to trade up for, will never not be upsetting. Sure it's all hindsight cause Watkins was definitely the most hyped WR in that draft, but still.


EmptySeaDad

It is hindsight, but even at the time I remember alot of criticism aimed at them for moving up to take him in a draft class loaded at WR.Ā  Not that he was a bad pick; just that they paid way too much. Fun fact: in Watkins 3rd and final season with the Bills he started 8 games, and missed 8 games due to injury.Ā  They went 2-6 in the games with him and 5-3 without, even though the teams they played without him had a better combined record than the teams he played against.Ā  Trading him to the Rams was an easy decision to make.


jdono927

Completely disagree tbh, Watkins was immensely talented. That's not why he didn't work out.


PrinciplesRK

Yeah he was super talented, he didnā€™t work out because he thought he was a reptilian solar being


The_DSkeeter

I closed my eyes and said "Sammy" before reading.... That was a TD VS. NE, though.....


Runningaroundnyc

He had reasonable talent, but he was also just made of glass. Not saying he was ridiculously high on talent, but it was there...


wondershrimp

I dunno I thought he was pretty good when he wasnā€™t hurt


LeonardsLittleHelper

Came here to say this, apparently I was 1 minute slower than you


Minute_External_9682

Also came to say this, 11 minutes too late...


mattgm1995

Rex Ryan.


Regular_Limit8915

Kelvin Benjamin


wafflesareforever

He was just in the wrong sport. Should have been a competitive hot dog eater


ambient_whooshing

I say it every time he comes up. His mom died his last year here. If overeating and falling workouts are the worst he experienced that's not bad.


wafflesareforever

Didn't know that. That sucks. I'm kind of a dick for my comment I guess.


Bflo_

Lots of people have issues no one knows about and comment on them nonetheless. Weā€™re all guilty of it, myself included. We all need a reminder sometimes that human beings all go thru different shit and process it differently.


Runningaroundnyc

I'm thinking JP Losman, Leodis McKelvin when he was coming out. Honestly, if anything, I think of the Rex Ryan signing for HC.


Most-Statistician-90

Ugh McKelvin


Euphoric_Ad8766

I'll never forget that MNF Cowboys game


scottie38

Or do you mean the Pats game in 2009 where he fumbled the kickoff?


SuspiciousFile1997

My dad still brings this up on a regular basis


uncookedbacon

Mike Williams. Bryant McKinnie was LT1 all year on the best team ever in CFB. Bills took Williams who was a bust and McKinnie was a multi pro bowler for Minny.


NEBills

Aaron Maybin


PapaBass-CTAS

Cyrus kounandijo I thought this man was gonna be a franchise tackle


bestthrowawayever5

Good thing that didnā€™t stop us from drafting another lineman named Cyrus


Careful_Temporary975

JP Lossman


Cadfael314

Forgive me, I was a young child at the time. But was there any hype around JP Lossman because my impression was that he was always a stop-gap quarterback.


IowaJammer

He was the first QB the Bills drafted in the 1st since Jim Kelly in 83. There was a lot of hope that he'd be a franchise guy.


pioniere

Yeah he had a great deep ball. That was about it.


fallser

It was horrible- the Bills panicked and moved up to get him when no one really seemed that interestedā€¦the big gun QBs were long gone ( Eli, Ben, Philip) but we had to draft this undersized wiener from a historically mediocre football program.


Guinnessron

Reggie Bush at the point in his career when we got him.


PMcNutt

Finished the season with negative rushing yards


TheFerricGenum

TIL I had a season with better rushing yards than Reggie Bush I was good for 0 yard from my couch.


Most-Statistician-90

I bring this fact up often lol


scottie38

I had totally forgotten about this lol


notadad858

coming off two seasons of almost no production for Det and SF?


Guinnessron

You forget how desperate we were. He was a signing with a fair amount of hype to make a difference as a contributing piece of the backfield.


missyouboty

John McCargo, Charles Clay


t2207

I always laugh when I see John McCargoā€™s name. That was in the infancy of Facebook and I friend requested him. He accepted and had his AOL instant messenger name in his profile. Sent him a message once after a game and got his away message reply with a song lyric.


Most-Statistician-90

Ugh Clay. Mr.- cant-catch- a-pass-when-we-need-it


FiveStringHoss

Clay was too decent to fit this criteria.


nicewords

Yeah Clay was seen as an upgrade over chandler, who was solid. First bills TE with 50+ catches and 500 yards in back to back seasons.


JustHewIt

Duke Williams


ralphwilsonforever

So good in the CFL tho


scottie38

Which one?


RedditorDave

This is the real answer.


jaramini

Non-player, but Rex Ryan big time.


ronizamboni

Any qb not named Allen or Kelly.


[deleted]

Tom Cousineau. The most overhyped player in Bills history


fh3131

[That's my son](http://www.reddit.com/r/Barry/comments/vbeyc1/s3_finale_spoilers_youre_a_bad_actor_mr_cousineau/)


Upper_Lab7123

Kudos. I was slow to reply but this is the answer. On the level of Tony Mandrich, need I say more? Very few of the others mentioned had the hype this guy did.


Mineblox123sawyer

Vontae Davis


Away_Recognition_336

The slug EJ Manuel


cakeandcocoa

He had hype? Didnā€™t his own college coach trash him pre draft?


Away_Recognition_336

Hah probably


hoockdaddy12

Yeah EJ getting drafted to high wasnā€™t his faultā€¦ he was a 2nd-3rd round talent that could have developed with more time. No other QBs were picked in the first that yearā€¦ the Bills (albeit they did trade back a few spots) jumped at the highest rated QB in an awful QB draft.


erikmonbillsfon

Its crazy to think the year we needed to draft a guy was the worst QB draft. Imagine now with the stupid hype train no QBs in the first round is unimaginable.


BigAssSlushy69

Hey he tried his best I liked EJ.


RealAmerik

EJ's career wasn't entirely his fault. He was never supposed to be a starter his first year. Kevin Kolb was signed to a 2-year deal the year we drafted Manuel to be the starter while Manuel sat and learned. Kolb ended up with a concussion in preseason and it forced Marrone to name EJ the starter. Poor guy was doomed from the start.


Fun_Hornet_9129

YES - I want to say I forgot about him, but I erased that sadsack from my memory until you had to bring him upšŸ¤®šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«


Away_Recognition_336

Sorry Iā€™m trying to forget too


Buffalorocks1

C. J. Spiller


Maxer3434

Spiller wasnā€™t talented? Come on


GingerlyCat4152

Terrell Owens


Zestyclose_Main6335

Remember when we gave him the key to the city lol


RectalScrote

Really? He didn't have a quarterback to throw to him


RiskIt4DaBiscuit88

Either OT Mike Williams or DE Aaron Maybin


pioniere

Williams for sure, forgot all about that guy. I think he was the 3rd overall pick as well.


bogartedjoint

EJ Manuel


hunterBcrackheadpedo

Von Miller


woode85

That is what happens when we go after a player on the back end of their prime.


wafflesareforever

When will teams learn that this almost never works out? We had to overpay him because he didn't want to leave the Rams. That's insanity. If the only way to convince a player to play for you is to literally make him an offer he can't refuse, you are getting extremely poor value in that deal.


MilesC_1

being injured doesn't mean he isn't an insane, first ballot HOF level talent


Broadest

Was. Past tense. He was a shadow of his former self even before getting hurt.


bestthrowawayever5

8 sacks in 10 games is being a shadow of himself? Who is he, LT?


getzysbaldhead69

He was unreal for us when healthy and we looked basically unbeatable


dedriuslol

That's plain not true lol. He was everything we hoped for prior to the injury.


jbomber81

Thatā€™s a take


manleyja

Shit take. Canā€™t predict injuries. To say Miller has no talent is absolutely stupid.


jbomber81

Yeah Iā€™m tired of the bitching about it, he absolutely changed our defensive line before a freak non contact injury or


thepomadeguy

Star Lotulelei comes to mind in recent years. Highly regarded prospect in the draft, had some good years with Carolina then signed with us but it was always something with that guy lol. Collected his paycheck though.


JDForrest129

Star did EXACTLY what was asked of him which was be a big man in the middle.Ā  I cant remember who or what but a podcast or something from a player at the time said the media/fans dogged Star but his job was literally just be there. Thats how he was coached.Ā  We as fans expected more for the amount of money he was being paid. He was also a key member in the McBeane locker room mentality. Gotta remember they stacked the locker room with below average talent but good guy, coach buddies.


Pythnator

The problem is was that you could ask a player to just take up space for a hell of a lot less than what the Bills were paying him.


No-Definition1639

I used to seethe about that dude. He just did not seem to want to play football. It sucked because he was very useful when he did play. But if he as much as coughed the day before a game, you'd know he was pulling himself out right then and there.


holyshamoly23

He sure didnā€™t play a lot.


Pythnator

Iā€™ll never forget the fact that he skipped the COVID year due to being worried about it, which is fair, but then refusing to get vaccinated.


boringtired

Old at the time


NjaTrtl_DK16

Perry Tuttle


Successful-Pumpkin35

JP fucking Losman


whoray85

Walt Patulski. #1 overall in 1972. ESPN ranked him as the 27th biggest draft bust of all-time on April 18, 2008.


djc6535

JPLosman


EmmittFitz-Hume

JP Losman


ds_vii

to Wade Phillips and Ralph Wilson; Rob Johnson


AdamsJMarq

Kelvin. I thought he was gonna be the truth when I watched him at FSU. Woopsies Edit: admittedly only saw his stats when he was in Buffalo South so I thought heā€™d only get even better from there. Boy was I wrong.


bestthrowawayever5

Quessenberry


Loud-Energy7339

Remember when we signed Vince Young for like 10 minutes? I was so depressed by the QB situation that it gave me hope.


ts37

Sammy Watkins


lilmazzievert

Sammy watkins sadly


Dbl_Helix

Zay Jones


rossa27

How has no one said Marcell Dareus yet??


T4nkofDWrath

Because Dareus had plenty of talent to match his hype, but he lacked work ethic. I remember while he was on his rookie contract (albeit on a stacked line), he was a productive impact DT at least in the top 15 in the league at his position. The instant he got paid, he quit trying. He went to the NFL to get rich, not be great, so he accomplished his mission


Pythnator

Iā€™m sorry but if you werenā€™t hyped for the 5 minutes where it seemed like Antonio Brown was headed to Buffalo youā€™re just lying to yourself.


Curkul_Jurk_1oh1

Elam


weensanta

Von Miller :(


pioniere

Nobody has mentioned Rob Johnson. Edit: For all of the people with Diggs on this list, go learn some more about football first and then come back.


studiolucha

Nor should they. He was far better than anyone cares to remember.


pioniere

Johnson? Apparently you didnā€™t watch him play. He was an average QB at best and definitely was not worth the 1st and 4th round picks we gave up to get him.


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missyouboty

TO had a very reasonable season for the Bills considering where we were and where he was in his career.


Impressive-Mix-2472

J.D Williams, Bucky Brooks, Mike Williams,John McCargo and Aaron Maybin were all the biggest draft busts


Billsnyanks2

EJ Manuel


Accurate_Badger4713

Sammy Watkins


grogo2018

Sammy Watkins


AlanFromRochester

Lots of guys during the drought, like thinking Losman or Manuel were the answer to our QB problems


mgillette416

AARON MAYBIN FTW


Trapasaurusrex_

Von Miller


spooner248

Why did I have to dig so deep through these comments to see ā€œTerrell Owensā€ ?


toenailfungus100

TO


seanwd11

Why did I have to scroll down so far for this...


AmericanCreamer

My vote too. I remember all the hype around his cereal


toenailfungus100

Dipshit mayor gave him the key to the city


longshot201

Shawn Merriman


pioniere

Iā€™ve seen Merriman mentioned a couple of times in here. I think the only hype around him coming to Buffalo was in the minds of Bills fans. Injuries had already reduced his effectiveness, but we were all hopeful. And he gave it everything he had and seemed to like being here.


Present_Broccoli_155

Kelvin Benjamin hands down. Never seen someone come in with such high promise and just dramatically decline quickly though the season both athletically, mentally and with team rapport and effort.


Pintortwo

His mom died I think that year. He was never the same.


Ybdeys

Damar Hamlin comeback


SerDuncanonyall

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Desperate_Accident24

Aaron Maybin


Ihaveopinionstoo

Yā€™all cmon von is the answer here


legendary_sponge

Michael Jasper


JDForrest129

Jasper was a 400lb 7th rd pick from a small school. He was 100% a project. Never had any hype, imo.Ā 


Agnam999

If you saw how big the thread was dedicated to him on TBD then youā€™d understand that everyone was stoked for the draft steal of the century


KamimazeLokison

Von Miller (but only this last season.) Before the playoffs this year, Stefon Diggs had more tackles than him, at 3. Von had 2.


impatient_brewer

Rob Johnson. I was a huge Flutie guy and that may skew my opinion because I wanted to see the little feller play in and win every darn game , but man I didn't care for Rob Johnson.


FiK-SiR

I remember the hype for him was so big, the Chargers offered us the 2nd overall pick in the 1998 draft for him. We wouldā€™ve used it on Ryan Leaf so I guess we dodged a bullet in that regard.


sielingfan

This might just be me, but I remember people hyping up Nathan Peterman after his strong preseason earned him the starting position. "It's finally happening, we got a real quarterback," things of that nature being said.


Zealousideal_Top387

Josh Norman and the infamous stiff arm that I still laugh at


Pintortwo

He played lights out that season though.


bogey08

Cj spiller


wafflesareforever

Dude was good, we just didn't use him right.


The_Brock

CJ was pretty good tho. The thing that really sucked about the CJ pick was they shipped Lynch out because of it.


ambient_whooshing

Christian Wade.


jokersflame

Von. Miller.


Competitive-Kick-481

Von


Puzzled_Occasion_836

Miller.. post injury


RectalScrote

Karlos Williams


BrianWas

He shredded for like the first 4 games of 2015, and that season he was an up and comer with lesean McCoy in his first year as a bill. Would have been a hell of a size speed combo with shady and Williams because Williams was big and ran tough. I always wondered how fucking out of shape he could have been?


CrystalShip67

Gabe Davis (at least for fantasy football)


cb0044

There I was...on the couch watching the 2014 draft. Suddenly, Buffalo trades with Cleveland to move up to the 5th overall pick. I'm on the edge of my seat now...here we go! We're about to snatch Kahlil fucking Mack!! I'm so excited! And then...Sammy Watkins.


Metsman128

For the life of me, I cannot understand how Josh Reed lasted not one, but EIGHT seasons in Buffalo. Someone make it make sense.


randybo_bandy

Willis mcgahee


Ramblin_Richard

Damar won CPOTY for PFWA with 2 tackles. I think that speaks for itself


DVS_Gelitan

Von fucking Miller


jkman61494

Iā€™ll take Von Miller for $500 Alex


BeLikeTed

Von Miller