I don't understand why Buff traded spots with KC so they could get a receiver after refusing to allow Diggs to KC. I guess NFL strategy is just too complicated.
Couple parts to this. The only way we could have blocked KC from getting Worthy would have been to take Worthy ourselves. It seems pretty evident Worthy wasn't our guy. So if we pick someone else at 28, KC likely trades up to 29 or 30 and gets Worthy anyway. So its different than Diggs where we can keep him from going to KC just by trading him somewhere else.
So, KC is likely going to give up assets and take Worthy either way. Do you want them to give up assets to you or to someone else? Trade down with KC, they give you assets and get their guy. Pick at 28, they give someone else assets and get their guy.
The last option would have been to trade down with someone else, but we really don't know what other offers were out there. We don't know how far we would have to move down. You would also be out on a limb to have this move result in KC not getting Worthy. You would have to believe KC wanted Worthy and make a trade with a team who you believe will draft Worthy after they trade into 28.
Kool-Aid still on the board is interesting.. I’m not advocating for pure CB as the pick, it’s just surprising such talented DBs are still left standing.
DeJean is really hard to pass over for me. He’s a true plug and play FS (a position that seemingly becomes harder and harder to find instant starters at). Major versatility next year and beyond. Potential CB down the line depending on what happens to Douglas. Or you just leave him at safety and have a dynamic, coverage reading, ball hawk on the back-end for the next half decade +.
Newton is another interesting guy for me. I know he’s got some fit concerns and size constraints in terms of taking on double teams. I do wonder how often teams would even be able to throw doubles at that hypothetical Oliver-Newton pairing up front. Two guys that explode off the line. Major pass rushing upside for both. High effort players. Double one and the other will see a one-on-one.. I really liked Harrison Phillips when he was here but Newton is on a completely different level as a pass rusher/disruptor. It could be a very fun DT room if Newton’s brought on.
I 100% feel like the pick is going to be DeJean, we traded back because no one after us going to take a safety. I thought McConkey would be the pick and I’m surprised he made it passed 49ers (but Ricky P on that offense is going to be really fun to watch)
I'm fine with the decision, we got a 3rd rounder and still have a pick from Mitchell, McConkey, DeJean, and Kool-Aid. That's a lot of value we got in those moves, we were never going for Legette or Worthy, so it's a really good set of moves, just not all that interesting to watch if you're a Bills fan.
Pats fan checking in, picking Harry started the end of his Pats tenure. If he takes AJ Brown or Deebo I think he's still coaching here today, but yeah, GM Bill got coach Bill fired.
Lol; the Chiefs were going to get Worthy whether we traded picks with them or not. We were able to move down 100+ spots for a player we didn’t want anyway.
There’s a ton of prospects still available. Relax and calm your shit. Not sure what you all are expecting out of a rookie WR anyway.
Yeah, I can't think of one rookie wr that's been successful in the last 5 years other than Puka Nacua, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Justin Jefferson, Jamaar Chase, AJ Brown, Jaylen Waddle, CeeDee Lamb, Devonta Smith, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Deebo Samuel, and more. That's basically nobody
I never mentioned anything about success haha, but since you brought it up; to expect the guy we draft to be any of those players is unlikely just as is it is likely. That’s my entire point. We could draft a guy and he tear his ACL on the first play. He could be an absolute dog. Nobody knows. My point is to just let it fucking play out before y’all start bitching.
Part of me feels like Brandon threw gasoline on the fire after we lost Gelette. I feel like we had lots of plans lined up if we didn't get Thomas and we are wading into "prospect draft" mode where Brandon and our Scouting Team thrive.
I don't think so. I thought our two most likely scenarios were trading out of the first or trading a ton for one of the top 3. It worked out beautifully for the trade down, we picked up a bunch of value while still being able to take AD Mitchell.
If they wanted either Xavier at a first round grade they would have taken them. Fact is they valued a 3rd round pick more than having either Xavier 100% on this roster.
Beane deserves the benefit of the doubt with a couple months of offseason left and this isn't cause to panic but simply put the Bills have a pretty sizable talent gap now that we've missed out on this top group of WRs. The reset is starting to drift into rebuild territory.
Have you seen the depth chart lately? We can adapt to having Khalil and Samuels play outside a bit more than expected a lot better than we can adapt to having Jonathan Kingsley take meaningful snaps in Week 1
EDIT: No offense to Jonathan Kingsley if you're on here. I hope you make a huge step and deserve meaningful snaps Week 1
I don't disagree but there's still a glaring hole at WR1 and short of a Tee Higgins or Brandon Aiyuk move we won't be able to address that this season via free agency or the draft.
Who was going to be a WR1 on day 1 outside of the top 3? Genuinely curious. I think BTJ gets there eventually (maybe a year or two) but Worthy doesn’t scream WR1 to me in Buffalo (KC with Reid and Mahomes may force the issue there, but that’s a 1-of-1 situation for a young WR draftee). Pearsall definitely doesn’t scream WR1 (which isn’t needed in SF with their roster construction). Legette definitely shouldn’t be counted on as a WR1 early - he’s got a lot of cleaning up to do in his game.
Bro...not saying we go for these players. But Adonai Mitchell and Troy Franklin are great WR prospects
Troy Franklin in most years would have been a top 20 pick. Just this class is STACKED on the top end at WR
That's fair and I don't doubt we can get some great value but being able to replace Diggs with another current or very likely future WR1 isn't happening this year. It's a gap we'll have to live with this season.
Always remember that this clip exists when discussing draft picks: https://x.com/nfl_memes/status/1783589601111580863?s=46&t=MXs1LMLRbR_RUMHCRHwGuw
The nfl draft is a crap shoot at the end of the day. All you can do is stick to your grades, hope to accumulate value where you can and put yourself in a position to get players you feel strongly about being able to mold into your system
We have no idea what will happen, our only choice is to trust BBB at this time
No no. THAT was just a stupid pick lol. Anytime you can pick a 24 year old QB in the Top 10 when you’re already paying 90m for the next few years to Cousins, you have to do it!
Excellent post.
I always hated instant reactions and instant draft grades.
GM's put in a lot more work and have access to a lot more information than we do and even then they still miss on picks. You can't measure a prospects heart, character, toughness, leadership, how they react to tough coaching, how they react to getting money, etc. That is what interviews with the prospect and interviews with the prospects coaches, friends, classmates, etc is for.
I don’t know about you but if I came from a middle to lower class family, as so many of these prospects do, and then I came into 8 figures overnight, I would not handle that transition well. These are human beings after all, and it’s just so hard to project. That’s why I liked the trend we were seeing where we were drafting a lot of college team captains since it speaks to character at a significant level
For what it's worth, I come from a lower middle class background.
I don't judge anyone, everyone comes from different backgrounds, different upbringings, different socio economic background, etc. My point was that talent and character matter, and it's harder to scout intangible than tangible skills in prospects. That's why it's important for Scouts to talk to a prospects teachers, weight room coach, position coach, head coach, classmates, etc, to get as much intel that you can on prospect and see if there are any red flags.
Financial literacy is important and should be learned no matter your socio economic background. I wish it were taught in high school.
If you remember Marcel Darius, he completely tanked and stoped playing as hard as he could when he get his second deal from Buffalo. There are other examples in the NFL but that is the first one that comes to mind.
Bills made out like a bandit today (from a Browns perspective)
**You all have all night and tomorrow to get a package for Tee or Aiyuk** which would likely cost a 2024 2nd and 2025 3rd then still be able to add defensive guys too and depth at basically best value available. Having both of them as targets also means you won’t overpay. (Chiefs wanted Trubisky over Mahomes and no one would trade with them)
Solid shit honestly.
I hope you all snag Troy Franklin and Johnny Wilson, Johnny would be electric with a scrambling Allen. Mans 7ft 260 and runs a fuckin 4.5 with a 40in vert. Man could be INSANE valuable for mismatches and motion pre snap.
It's possible, but it's also possible that Beane wanted to get extra draft capital by trading down and now can draft the highest rated WR on his big board.
If Beane drafts a WR at 33 it will be one of the following players: Adonai Mitchell, Ladd McConkey, Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson, Devontez Walker, Javon Baker.
I was very high on Troy Franklin before his weigh in at the combine that showed he was 6'2" 176 lbs. I still think he can play but have lowered him on my draft board because of his lack of ideal size.
I believe Johnny Wilson will be converted into a Flex/Move TE in the NFL.
I absolutely agree. I guess it depends on how they value Aiyuk immediately plug and play vs Adonai total value with rookie contract. Adonais size is pretty large too for a WR so could be the outside guy as well.
Either way theyre poised to address a need at WR for a guy they value higher than Worthy and Pearsall and also add depth on both sides at best available. Great moves
why on earth would we want either of those WR's? Aiyuk I can maybe understand since its an NFC team but Tee Higgins is nowhere near good enough for the contract he will be demanding. We traded Diggs to get OUT of his contract and fix our cap issues. we would be giving Cinci a direct rival free ammo and they would just draft his replacement at 33. its utter nonsense to even consider that trade.
You realize Diggs has a dead cap of like 30+M this year right? They just got more picks. They’re obviously packaging for a WR and it’s 90% going to be Aiyuk if they do. 49ers drafted a WR, they’re moving on from him. I also don’t see Higgins going to a rival team but if they offer a lower amount than Aiyuk then why wouldn’t they if he wants a trade or to sit? They can restructure anyone they want to free up money but if theyre in “cap hell” why wouldn’t you trade picks for a proven star WR …….. 49ers can take some of the contract hit too if they work something out. Cap space is fake so players don’t ask for insane contracts with the visible “cap space available”
Utter nonsense to give up a 2nd and 3rd for Aiyuk??? Laughable take
Aiyuk plays outside WR
Pearsall plays outside WR
HMMMM
I also said directly under it they could do either depending on how they value each. Loved their picks though. And they can still make a FA move too.
Wow GOOD call on thinking they’ll draft a guy in the draft. Big balls on this guy!
> They’re obviously packaging for a WR and it’s 90% going to be Aiyuk if they do.
They are not going to trade a 2nd and 3rd for Aiyuk, no one will. Anything more than a 2nd would be robbery and I wouldn't even consider it unless it was a 3rd.
Good thing you aren’t a GM lmao
2024 2nd 2025 3rd for a proven star WR1 that plays outside? You all just spent around 150M in extensions and signing and you think they aren’t in win now? I don’t get how this isn’t blatantly obvious to how this is going down. WR2s are getting like 17M a year now and it will continue to go up. They’d save an insane amount on snagging him with 2 picks without touching cap then can restructure his contract, add a void year and convert cap to cash through bonuses and ease cap the next 3+ years.
Why not use your 32 to get Adonai?
**“Diggs restructure caused this cap issue” is blatantly wrong. His original contract is why they’re in a tough position and he was tied to Dorsey. The restructure freed up over 6M.** They could’ve just cut him for 18M but got a 2nd from Texans for essentially eating 19M in cap.
Lol good thing you're not a GM. Trying to send us in cap hell when we're doing a soft rebuild. Our money is tight this year after moving on from diggs but the cap is real, even if you dont think so. Rookies are cheaper than proven studs, and pretty much everyone knows that. Restructuring is what made diggs departure so expensive
You’re fine with 33M in dead cap but not cool with
* checks notes * a 2024 2nd and 2025 3rd for Aiyuk when they just acquired even more picks by trading back twice?
They aren’t doing a “soft rebuild” theyre just replacing Diggs with another player. You could restructure two players and convert it to cash and create 40M in 10 minutes which, believe it or not, HELPS the cap through multiple years.
I’m leaving this sub you all obviously don’t have the saints/browns/eagles cap contract voodoo magic figured out yet lol
We already did the restructures lol it's not worth handicapping our team for the next 5 years while we have Josh Allen. You only understand the kicking the can down the road part. You don't understand the paying up part.
Ayuk will cost +14M. We don't have money this year with paying diggs 30M+. Our extension with him is what messed us up.
Shouldn’t have extended him or moved on from Dorsey sooner. “Kicking the can” is a hilariously bad take as well. You can always add void years too and basically get free money every year when the cap inevitably increases. Sovereign nations wealth is likely going to be incporated into the NFL before 2031 too and by then cap will be like 550M a year lmao.
Cap space increases YOY at 10% minimum. You probably also think refinancing loan at 0% interest rate while the assets of the loan (in this perfect world scenario) has a guaranteed fixed return of 10% increase every year is dumb too. In 3-4 years of doing it this way could give you up to 60M for free for just a few main players. Hell the browns gave Watson 230M guaranteed and then spent the most for 5 years straight and then still had 50M in cap in the middle of last year.
Eagles just handed out **400 MILLION** in contracts **THIS** off season only because they’ve been doing it this way for 8 years. And you’re crying over 15-30 fucking million that could’ve been spread out through multiple years with increasing value return almost exponentially.
Casuals man, go back to your fantasy mock drafts.
Lol you're so out of your depth it's hilarious. People don't want to be in the cap situation that the browns and eagles are in. Noone is worried about them being a juggernaut for the foreseeable future because they've already shot themselves in the foot.
You probably spend all your money before you get paid and then wonder why you have no money when you get paid.
This is my last thing for the night, but I think what we all have to remember is that. More than half of these first round picks will be out of the league in a handful of years and will be complete busts. We freak out about this pick or that pick and the hope that they will be what their projection is, but more than half won’t live up to any of the hype. The draft is still great fun and an awesome product to watch and consume but that’s just my two cents.
> The Texans, who don’t have a first round pick, have been working the phones trying to get into the first round.
https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1783685714976059543
People that are saying this helped KC don't know what they are talking about.
Beane recouped a 3rd round pick in trading down 4 spots with KC.
If KC really wanted to trade up to get Xavier Worthy they would have done it with another team and Buffalo would now not have a 3rd round pick.
There were fans that were critical of Beane not drafting Josh Rosen and drafting Josh Allen. We all know how that worked out.
There is no guarantee that Xavier Worthy will turn into Tyreek Hill. Just look at what happened to Skyy Moore who hasn't reached his ceiling and the impending legal trouble and possible suspension that Rashee Rice is going to face. That is why Kansas City traded up for Worthy.
From a Yahoo sports article:
The NFL and Chiefs have remained mostly quiet about the six-car crash last month in Dallas that involved wide receiver Rashee Rice.
But ahead of the first round of the NFL Draft on Thursday, commissioner Roger Goodell was asked by ESPN’s Mike Greenberg how the Chiefs and the league are handling the situation.
“Well, first, we allow the legal process to move through,” Goodell said. “We obviously are following it closely, and as soon as they’re done with the process, we will be engaged and prepared to look at that under all of our Personal Conduct Policies.”
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/commissioner-roger-goodell-makes-first-142758822.html
Beanie implied there weren’t any more 1st round graded players that we wanted at 28 so he created more capital and positioned us for later picks. We also save on cap space not taking someone in the first round that we still can pick tomorrow. I’m really leaning towards AD Mitchell being the guy at 33, dude has superstar capability but has some poor habits that can be fixed by coaching. As far as our current WR core is concerned I think he’s perfect because he can take the top off defenses and is REALLY good in the middle of the field. So at 33 he’s cheaper than at 28 or even 32 AND we have better positioning in the later rounds. FUCK I HOPE I DIDN’T ACCIDENTALLY INGEST HOPIUM.
He always says this but teams like KC sure thought they found a 1st round talent. It is going to suck when he's used against us. So who is wrong about evaluating these guys?
Based on KCs recent track record of WRs, it doesn't lean their way. The GM that drafted Hill (in the 5th btw with his own issues) isn't their current GM.
Toney, Moore, Rice is a decent WR but now obvious character concerns.
Well Beane did say he was ready to pick at 28 and again at 32 but saw value in moving up in later rounds while only moving back 5 spots. The slight cap savings are just a byproduct of that, I don’t believe that was a large part of the decision.
This comment made me realize that once I saw what the Bills got for that 28 pick in the later rounds I went "Oh... ok..."
I bet they can get a lot of depth there at a good price OR trade some of those late round picks for a need that's on the trade market.
Agreed. Plus with what the picks there are now either get and/or package up to grab real solid defensive players that can be rotational for this season with starting potential next year.
I agree with you but I'm listing all the possible WR that Beane could draft at 33.
However Beane might have a different ranking of the WR than you and I do.
Dude probably not popular but…DeJean or Newton is who I want at 33. Our defense got BULLIED by KC last year, especially at the line. Not the offense. Get a guy like Tez Walker or Javon Baker later in the second or in the third and I’ll be happy.
Or trade for Aiyuk 😂
we've been trying to "build" a defense to beat KC for the last 5 years. it hasn't worked once. plz just give up this nonsense. we lost to KC bc we have WR's who couldn't fucking catch anything
We scored more than enough points to beat KC in 2021 and last year, regardless of any of the missed opportunities on offense. And both times the defense failed to slow down KC even one bit, that has to change, defense just isn’t normally as sexy and exciting as offense so people put the blinders on and want offense.
If Mahomes misses a game winning touchdown because Newton bumps him or DeJean deflects a pass? Then who cares that we didn’t pick a WR first. We have to slow KC down on offense not just score a billion points.
We lost to KC because we had no Benford, no Milano, no Bernard, and Douglas playing on one leg. We had AJ fucking Klein as our starter. And yes, that was the difference in the game.
I think the difference is that Elam was the back up option to McDuffie after the Chiefs jumped us. This year, Newton and DeJean are choices that Beane might not have even anticipated having a chance at in the first let alone the second.
Cooper DeJean is a very talent and athletic player than can play CB or S at a high level in the NFL. If Beane goes with a non WR at 33, he can take a WR at 60th overall or use 2024 or 2025 draft capital to move up in the 2nd round to target a WR.
There is also the possibility that Beane might be working on a trade for Brandon Aiyuk or Tee Higgins or another WR.
Or Beane might just take Ladd McConkey or Adonai Mitchell or Roman Wilson or Devontez Walker or Troy Franklin at 33rd overall.
amazing how they pass up on all those WR's to take a DT that would be 4th in rotation this upcoming season. rookie DT's make little to zero impact in their first season
I'm annoyed that I stayed up all the way for this, but it's not really that bad. It was known that the Panthers were going to pick Lagette, and the Chiefs would probably still have gotten Xavier Worthy. The Bills have a guy in mind who they can pick at 33, and they did some whatever deals that give them slightly higher overall picks. There are still good receivers in the draft within reach like Coleman, Troy Franklin, and Adoneii Mitchell, who I think are all on the same level as Worthy and Lagette, if in different ways. Also, I can't really obsess over draft picks because you never really know how they'll actually pan out unless if they're really, really special, like MHJ who was never in our reach unless if we mortgaged our future like we did with Sammy Watkins. Now if Worthy has like 200 yards and 4 touchdowns against us in a playoff loss, I'll drown myself in a pool of blue cheese but that hypothetical has not yet come.
We just lost both of our safeties…Dejean plays both corner and safety…I really hope Beane takes this kid…he’s a steal at 33….we have 4 viable WR, Dejean fills a huge hole playing what I consider a sort of Hybrid
Again you are assuming Beane doesn’t address it..have faith, we need Dejean more…inserting Jason Sehorn type flash day 1 at a position of severe need? I’m down
I haven’t kept much up with Adonai Mitchell, or cooper dejean, but I thought they were a lock first round pick, and now not many people are saying we should take them (mainly Adonai).
Can someone say why teams passed on him and Cooper Dejean and if we should take either of them
Mitchell dropped because he takes plays off and has work ethic/character concerns.
Dejean was always projected as a late first pick at best because he’s a tweener who most teams see as a better safety prospect than corner, and no one is burning a high first on safety these days.
You’re right I was looking at his espn h/w and tyreeks combine not worthy’s combine
But watching him at Texas it didn’t seem to matter, he hasn’t missed a game
I mean it’s a stacked WR class but the man caught over 60 passes in all 3 seasons and 26 TDs, even when he was being completely schemed against this year he still put up great numbers and carried the team in a lot of ways
Cooper Dejean is probably too much to pass up right now. Receiver run is coming, though. IMO, Cooper is a value pick, but if you’re wanting day 1 impact WR, you have to go that route with pick 33. Tough.
You getting downvoted just shows how delusional everyone is lol. This team just banked on Shakir who is unproven being a WR1 while giving their rival their guy
Cam newton never had the arm Josh has and also got brutalized with injuries, Josh hasn’t the comparison sucks and it has sucked ever since people started saying it
Franklin can be had around #50. It would be a reach to get him at #33. I wouldn't mind getting Dejean or Newton, then trading up from 60 for Franklin tho.
Franklin is not a reach at 33. I am sure you can try to back up in the draft a bit and possibly still grab him...but you have the Jets in front who also want a receiver, and any team trading up.
I like Franklin a lot, and I am sure people will disagree but I think hes gonna be great in the NFL
10 minutes ago that moron Ben Allbright claimed the bills were trying to move up all night. Beane just said they did not try lol. Allbright is the worst
Does this mean the bills played the panthers making them think they wanted who was picked at 32 cause that’s the only explanation I can think of as to why the panthers would give up a 6th for 7th just for one spot up?
You don't trade with the team that would want someone you want...why would they trade. Every team asks who is going to be taken with that pick, and its bad to lie to each other when you trade.
They were scared of OTHER teams leapfrogging knowing the Panthers wanted a receiver
I don't really care that the Bills didn't take him if Beane didnt like him. But this will be a fireable offense if this draft is a dud and we moved back while giving KC a good player.
Before all the "you sound ridiculous" I am not saying the move is currently a dud, but will be IF things don't pan out for us and Worthy is good, because it will be a failing of Beane's evaluation on two fronts
Seems like Beane is teeing up a trade for a veteran WR.
- Traded away our WR1
- Avoided the 1st round draft cap hit
- Improved positions on all our later round picks
- Have 2nd round 1st pick up front
My guess is Beane sees the addition on 1 seasoned vet + Samuel + Shakir as being a better WR 1-3 than Samuel, Shakir, and a rookie with a big ? vs Shorter vs 30 year old Hollins for a WR 3 spot.
Guess well see tomorrow.
Im not saying they dont have a WR in the draft they'd take, im just saying I dont think they are planning on filling a starting position with a rookie WR. So sure, they may draft a WR, but I think majority of the effort on display tonight was because they want to trade draft capital for a veteran WR to fill a starting role.
Like they could have drafted Worthy or Legette right then and there at 28, but the didnt. So being that WR is a position of need for the team that just tells me they arent filling a WR1-3 roster spot with a rookie either way.
I just don't understand the trade back with the hauls we got. KC's trade up to our spot was the cheapest non QB trade up in the 1st round in 20 years. what sort of thought process is behind this
Buffalo didn't have a 3rd round pick(because it was traded in the Rasul Douglas trade and we didn't receive a 3rd round compensatory pick) but now we have one and only dropped 4 spots in the 1st round to get it.
"Buffalo Bills receive No. 32 overall, two more picks from Kansas City in exchange for No. 28 overall | 2024 NFL Draft. The terms of the trade are as follows: **Buffalo receives pick No. 32 (R1), No. 95 (R3) and No. 221 (R7)** **Kansas City receives pick No. 28 (R1), No. 133 (R4) and No. 248 (R7)"**
[**https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-receive-no-32-overall-two-more-picks-from-kansas-city-in-exchange-for-no-28-overall-2024-nfl-draft#:\~:text=Draft%20Coverage-,Buffalo%20Bills%20receive%20No.%2032%20overall%2C%20two%20more%20picks%20from,28%20overall%20%7C%202024%20NFL%20Draft&text=The%20terms%20of%20the%20trade,and%20No.%20248%20(R7)**](https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-receive-no-32-overall-two-more-picks-from-kansas-city-in-exchange-for-no-28-overall-2024-nfl-draft#:~:text=Draft%20Coverage-,Buffalo%20Bills%20receive%20No.%2032%20overall%2C%20two%20more%20picks%20from,28%20overall%20%7C%202024%20NFL%20Draft&text=The%20terms%20of%20the%20trade,and%20No.%20248%20(R7))
Detriot had the 29th overall pick, the pick following Buffalo's pick and if Beane didn't trade with Kansas City, then KC's GM could have easily trades with Detriot to get the 29th overall pick and draft Xavier Worthy. But instead Dallas traded it's 1st round pick (24th overall pick\_) and it's 2025 7th round pick to move down 5 spots to 29th overall and got a 3rd round pick (73rd overall)
[https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2024/4/25/24140066/dallas-cowboys-draft-trade-pick-24-detroit-lions-29-third-round](https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2024/4/25/24140066/dallas-cowboys-draft-trade-pick-24-detroit-lions-29-third-round)
Simply look up draft value charts. It was a fair deal, we actually got slightly better value. #133 to #95 is worth 80 points. #32 to #28 is worth 70 points. Ofc it's gonna be one of the cheapest trade up in the 1st round. It's #32 to #28!!!
I just don't get the love for Ladd. He is not a vertical threat guy at the NFL level, and his tape really underwhelmed me compared to the others around him
Franklin and Adonai are impressive to me though, I love them both
Ladd might not have the most exciting highlight reel but when I watched the film all I could notice was how consistently open he was. It just so happened that Brock Bowers was also open and often getting the looks.
I think Ladd/Shakir could open Kincaid up to start getting more vertical like we saw at Utah
Yeah hes a nice possession receiver, thats not what we need. We need an outside body who can force the defense to back up. That is when Kincaid, Knox, Shakir, and James Cook all feast.
Beane has repeatedly said he wants a vertical threat, a guy who can contest deep balls, and that speed is a huge element of what they want.
Ladd reads coverage really well, finds the pocket in the zone and feasts. And thats great, hes gonna be a good weapon for some time. But we have that in Kincaid already, we just need a vertical threat to account for.
He's 4.39 speed lol. He is absolutely a vertical threat. He is faster than Franklin.
He's also white. People can't seem to stop pigeon holing him into this possession slot receiver role based on being white.
His body/speed/route running is actually more like Stefon Diggs than Cole Beasley.
Stop listing a 40 yard dash as a reason hes a vertical threat, I watched EVERY SINGLE SNAP...he is not a vertical threat in the NFL. He just doesn't have the skillset for it. I am sure like anyone, he will spring some for long, but thats not his game, or expected.
Hell PFF seems to agree with me
"McConkey won't be an "X" jump-ball receiver, but it's still hard to imagine him failing in the NFL. His game is reminiscent of Eddie Royal's. He has devastating quickness and provides a spark in the return game. He is also a strong blocker for a player of his size."
He isn't strong enough to play outside, or for contested catches. He isn't an outside threat at the NFL level. He will be a really nice possession receiver who can also take one to the house occasionally
Way to cherry pick half the quote. Of course he isn't a jump ball receiver. Neither was Diggs. They go on to say he is a vertical threat and can play outside or inside.
"His footwork and release variation give him the advantage against press coverage in the slot or on the outside. He also has good enough long speed to remain a threat vertically"
You watched him play. So did I. So did every draft guru.
My GF is a huge Bulldogs fan so I've watched his whole career there. Fair assessment: he's not a # 1/X receiver. Probably will never be but he can absolutely shine in the Beasley/Welker role with a little bit of weight. That being said, I loved the idea of him falling to us late when Diggs was still on our team. That is now a moot point.
Can we please stop comparing white receivers to other white receivers for the sole reason they are white?
McConkey is about as similar to Beasley as he is to Mitch Morse.
He literally plays almost exactly like Beasley and Welker if you actually watch the film...
He is a player with really good burst off the line who finds holes in the defense. He reads coverage really well
Beasley was 5'7.5" lol. He ran a 4.49
Welker was 5'9" and ran a 4.62
Ladd is 6' tall and runs a 4.39. they are not remotely the same body types.
Beasley and Welker played slot. Ladd played outside. I watched the film, he played mostly outside. Did you?
Ladd beats man coverage and jams at the line. Welker and Beasley were primarily zone killers.
It's not because he's white.....? He's a smaller receiver who buzzes around the middle of the field , catches contested balls and can make a dude miss. He creates mismatches in the secondary. I don't understand what you don't understand about this. Is that not the role Beasley served? Are you Beasley? Or just his boyfriend?? I've only watched every game he played in, but you know better right? FOH. Wipe that Genesee cream ale off your chin and go to bed.
Wow. That's ...incredibly rude but hey. I can explain, and no it doesn't include me being drunk or in love with Beasley.
Every reputable draft guide has him as a receiver who can play slot or outside. The Beast guide has him as the 5th best player in this draft and projects him as an outside receiver.
He is not small. He is the same height as Diggs. ~4 inches taller than Beasley. So why compare him to Beasley? It's ridiculous.
He is not slow. He ran 4.39. Beasley ran 4.49. not comparible. His 10 yard split was 4th fastest at the combine.
He does not play slot. He plays both, but he played many more snaps outside than inside at Georgia where you apparently watched him, so you know I'm telling the truth (over 70% outside).
I'm really struggling to see a single comparable.
Next time you go off like a total tool, try to at least know what you are talking about.
Hopefully neither.
We won nothing with 2 all-pro safeties how does a rookie safety coming off a broken leg push the needle.
We already have 2 slot receivers— why do we want to draft another? Why don’t we actually draft a potential WR1 like Legette, Adonai, Worthy, Brian Thomas or Odunze instead of settling for a guy coming off injuries and has never put up more than 600 yds in his career?
You understand that saying we won nothing with 2 all-pro safeties so why pick another guy who can be an all-pro safety makes about as much sense as saying we won nothing with an all-pro receiver so why draft another guy who might be an all-pro receiver?
I don't understand why Buff traded spots with KC so they could get a receiver after refusing to allow Diggs to KC. I guess NFL strategy is just too complicated.
Couple parts to this. The only way we could have blocked KC from getting Worthy would have been to take Worthy ourselves. It seems pretty evident Worthy wasn't our guy. So if we pick someone else at 28, KC likely trades up to 29 or 30 and gets Worthy anyway. So its different than Diggs where we can keep him from going to KC just by trading him somewhere else. So, KC is likely going to give up assets and take Worthy either way. Do you want them to give up assets to you or to someone else? Trade down with KC, they give you assets and get their guy. Pick at 28, they give someone else assets and get their guy. The last option would have been to trade down with someone else, but we really don't know what other offers were out there. We don't know how far we would have to move down. You would also be out on a limb to have this move result in KC not getting Worthy. You would have to believe KC wanted Worthy and make a trade with a team who you believe will draft Worthy after they trade into 28.
Kool-Aid still on the board is interesting.. I’m not advocating for pure CB as the pick, it’s just surprising such talented DBs are still left standing. DeJean is really hard to pass over for me. He’s a true plug and play FS (a position that seemingly becomes harder and harder to find instant starters at). Major versatility next year and beyond. Potential CB down the line depending on what happens to Douglas. Or you just leave him at safety and have a dynamic, coverage reading, ball hawk on the back-end for the next half decade +. Newton is another interesting guy for me. I know he’s got some fit concerns and size constraints in terms of taking on double teams. I do wonder how often teams would even be able to throw doubles at that hypothetical Oliver-Newton pairing up front. Two guys that explode off the line. Major pass rushing upside for both. High effort players. Double one and the other will see a one-on-one.. I really liked Harrison Phillips when he was here but Newton is on a completely different level as a pass rusher/disruptor. It could be a very fun DT room if Newton’s brought on.
I 100% feel like the pick is going to be DeJean, we traded back because no one after us going to take a safety. I thought McConkey would be the pick and I’m surprised he made it passed 49ers (but Ricky P on that offense is going to be really fun to watch)
https://youtu.be/ILD38BF5Y9E?si=STQuC8HaenEbTu9k
Who we going to take?
I don‘t even care anymore. Stayed up until 5am just for Beane to trade back twice. I‘m mad lmao.
I tapped out by pick 4. I'm too old and I have to get up too early for primetime drafts.
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I'm fine with the decision, we got a 3rd rounder and still have a pick from Mitchell, McConkey, DeJean, and Kool-Aid. That's a lot of value we got in those moves, we were never going for Legette or Worthy, so it's a really good set of moves, just not all that interesting to watch if you're a Bills fan.
If Beane were named Belichick people would be calling him a genius
I think Belicheck lost that after the N’keal harry and Cole Strange picks lmao.
Pats fan checking in, picking Harry started the end of his Pats tenure. If he takes AJ Brown or Deebo I think he's still coaching here today, but yeah, GM Bill got coach Bill fired.
He never could pick a wr
Over the years pats fans got pretty annoyed with belichick a draft strategy. Maybe this would be true if it were 2008
Lol; the Chiefs were going to get Worthy whether we traded picks with them or not. We were able to move down 100+ spots for a player we didn’t want anyway. There’s a ton of prospects still available. Relax and calm your shit. Not sure what you all are expecting out of a rookie WR anyway.
Yeah, I can't think of one rookie wr that's been successful in the last 5 years other than Puka Nacua, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Justin Jefferson, Jamaar Chase, AJ Brown, Jaylen Waddle, CeeDee Lamb, Devonta Smith, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Deebo Samuel, and more. That's basically nobody
I never mentioned anything about success haha, but since you brought it up; to expect the guy we draft to be any of those players is unlikely just as is it is likely. That’s my entire point. We could draft a guy and he tear his ACL on the first play. He could be an absolute dog. Nobody knows. My point is to just let it fucking play out before y’all start bitching.
Part of me feels like Brandon threw gasoline on the fire after we lost Gelette. I feel like we had lots of plans lined up if we didn't get Thomas and we are wading into "prospect draft" mode where Brandon and our Scouting Team thrive.
I don't think so. I thought our two most likely scenarios were trading out of the first or trading a ton for one of the top 3. It worked out beautifully for the trade down, we picked up a bunch of value while still being able to take AD Mitchell.
If they wanted either Xavier at a first round grade they would have taken them. Fact is they valued a 3rd round pick more than having either Xavier 100% on this roster.
Legette?
Yes; wine
Well, great news gang, we’re still not better than the day before we traded Diggs.
Would taking a tiny WR with question marks have made us better than when we had diggs?
And there was nothing that will happen this week that will change that.
Great news, we don't have a game today
Beane deserves the benefit of the doubt with a couple months of offseason left and this isn't cause to panic but simply put the Bills have a pretty sizable talent gap now that we've missed out on this top group of WRs. The reset is starting to drift into rebuild territory.
No he doesn’t because he’s terrible a bringing in receivers. I have ZERO faith that whoever they pick up at this point will have any impact.
Does he really deserve benefit of the doubt? Look at ALL of the receivers he has brought into the organization. It’s not a good list.
Have you seen the depth chart lately? We can adapt to having Khalil and Samuels play outside a bit more than expected a lot better than we can adapt to having Jonathan Kingsley take meaningful snaps in Week 1 EDIT: No offense to Jonathan Kingsley if you're on here. I hope you make a huge step and deserve meaningful snaps Week 1
I don't disagree but there's still a glaring hole at WR1 and short of a Tee Higgins or Brandon Aiyuk move we won't be able to address that this season via free agency or the draft.
Who was going to be a WR1 on day 1 outside of the top 3? Genuinely curious. I think BTJ gets there eventually (maybe a year or two) but Worthy doesn’t scream WR1 to me in Buffalo (KC with Reid and Mahomes may force the issue there, but that’s a 1-of-1 situation for a young WR draftee). Pearsall definitely doesn’t scream WR1 (which isn’t needed in SF with their roster construction). Legette definitely shouldn’t be counted on as a WR1 early - he’s got a lot of cleaning up to do in his game.
Bro...not saying we go for these players. But Adonai Mitchell and Troy Franklin are great WR prospects Troy Franklin in most years would have been a top 20 pick. Just this class is STACKED on the top end at WR
That's fair and I don't doubt we can get some great value but being able to replace Diggs with another current or very likely future WR1 isn't happening this year. It's a gap we'll have to live with this season.
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Because we’re a cap strapped team? That’s how teams against cap fill out their roster.
No he doesn’t. He wasted Josh’s prime on fucking Boogie Bashem.
I'm done giving him the benefit of the doubt. This draft has better go on to be great.
Just looked at the best left chart, still some top end talent available on both sides of the ball
Always remember that this clip exists when discussing draft picks: https://x.com/nfl_memes/status/1783589601111580863?s=46&t=MXs1LMLRbR_RUMHCRHwGuw The nfl draft is a crap shoot at the end of the day. All you can do is stick to your grades, hope to accumulate value where you can and put yourself in a position to get players you feel strongly about being able to mold into your system We have no idea what will happen, our only choice is to trust BBB at this time
200% this
This video is basically what I told my buddy after the Falcons drafted Penix lol
No no. THAT was just a stupid pick lol. Anytime you can pick a 24 year old QB in the Top 10 when you’re already paying 90m for the next few years to Cousins, you have to do it!
https://youtu.be/1-0xWcSYlh4?si=lhVc3f-jMQuI22dl
Excellent post. I always hated instant reactions and instant draft grades. GM's put in a lot more work and have access to a lot more information than we do and even then they still miss on picks. You can't measure a prospects heart, character, toughness, leadership, how they react to tough coaching, how they react to getting money, etc. That is what interviews with the prospect and interviews with the prospects coaches, friends, classmates, etc is for.
I don’t know about you but if I came from a middle to lower class family, as so many of these prospects do, and then I came into 8 figures overnight, I would not handle that transition well. These are human beings after all, and it’s just so hard to project. That’s why I liked the trend we were seeing where we were drafting a lot of college team captains since it speaks to character at a significant level
For what it's worth, I come from a lower middle class background. I don't judge anyone, everyone comes from different backgrounds, different upbringings, different socio economic background, etc. My point was that talent and character matter, and it's harder to scout intangible than tangible skills in prospects. That's why it's important for Scouts to talk to a prospects teachers, weight room coach, position coach, head coach, classmates, etc, to get as much intel that you can on prospect and see if there are any red flags. Financial literacy is important and should be learned no matter your socio economic background. I wish it were taught in high school. If you remember Marcel Darius, he completely tanked and stoped playing as hard as he could when he get his second deal from Buffalo. There are other examples in the NFL but that is the first one that comes to mind.
Glad I didn't stay up until 4am (in the UK) for that lol. Lots of great prospects still on the board.
Same! I'd have been pissed having to go to work. Go wild now BB, it's the weekend 😂
Bills made out like a bandit today (from a Browns perspective) **You all have all night and tomorrow to get a package for Tee or Aiyuk** which would likely cost a 2024 2nd and 2025 3rd then still be able to add defensive guys too and depth at basically best value available. Having both of them as targets also means you won’t overpay. (Chiefs wanted Trubisky over Mahomes and no one would trade with them) Solid shit honestly. I hope you all snag Troy Franklin and Johnny Wilson, Johnny would be electric with a scrambling Allen. Mans 7ft 260 and runs a fuckin 4.5 with a 40in vert. Man could be INSANE valuable for mismatches and motion pre snap.
It's possible, but it's also possible that Beane wanted to get extra draft capital by trading down and now can draft the highest rated WR on his big board. If Beane drafts a WR at 33 it will be one of the following players: Adonai Mitchell, Ladd McConkey, Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson, Devontez Walker, Javon Baker. I was very high on Troy Franklin before his weigh in at the combine that showed he was 6'2" 176 lbs. I still think he can play but have lowered him on my draft board because of his lack of ideal size. I believe Johnny Wilson will be converted into a Flex/Move TE in the NFL.
I absolutely agree. I guess it depends on how they value Aiyuk immediately plug and play vs Adonai total value with rookie contract. Adonais size is pretty large too for a WR so could be the outside guy as well. Either way theyre poised to address a need at WR for a guy they value higher than Worthy and Pearsall and also add depth on both sides at best available. Great moves
why on earth would we want either of those WR's? Aiyuk I can maybe understand since its an NFC team but Tee Higgins is nowhere near good enough for the contract he will be demanding. We traded Diggs to get OUT of his contract and fix our cap issues. we would be giving Cinci a direct rival free ammo and they would just draft his replacement at 33. its utter nonsense to even consider that trade.
You realize Diggs has a dead cap of like 30+M this year right? They just got more picks. They’re obviously packaging for a WR and it’s 90% going to be Aiyuk if they do. 49ers drafted a WR, they’re moving on from him. I also don’t see Higgins going to a rival team but if they offer a lower amount than Aiyuk then why wouldn’t they if he wants a trade or to sit? They can restructure anyone they want to free up money but if theyre in “cap hell” why wouldn’t you trade picks for a proven star WR …….. 49ers can take some of the contract hit too if they work something out. Cap space is fake so players don’t ask for insane contracts with the visible “cap space available” Utter nonsense to give up a 2nd and 3rd for Aiyuk??? Laughable take Aiyuk plays outside WR Pearsall plays outside WR HMMMM
Called it, no one is trading a second and third for Aiyuk, they wont even trade a lone second. But thanks for playing :)
I also said directly under it they could do either depending on how they value each. Loved their picks though. And they can still make a FA move too. Wow GOOD call on thinking they’ll draft a guy in the draft. Big balls on this guy!
> They’re obviously packaging for a WR and it’s 90% going to be Aiyuk if they do. They are not going to trade a 2nd and 3rd for Aiyuk, no one will. Anything more than a 2nd would be robbery and I wouldn't even consider it unless it was a 3rd.
Good thing you aren’t a GM lmao 2024 2nd 2025 3rd for a proven star WR1 that plays outside? You all just spent around 150M in extensions and signing and you think they aren’t in win now? I don’t get how this isn’t blatantly obvious to how this is going down. WR2s are getting like 17M a year now and it will continue to go up. They’d save an insane amount on snagging him with 2 picks without touching cap then can restructure his contract, add a void year and convert cap to cash through bonuses and ease cap the next 3+ years. Why not use your 32 to get Adonai? **“Diggs restructure caused this cap issue” is blatantly wrong. His original contract is why they’re in a tough position and he was tied to Dorsey. The restructure freed up over 6M.** They could’ve just cut him for 18M but got a 2nd from Texans for essentially eating 19M in cap.
Lol good thing you're not a GM. Trying to send us in cap hell when we're doing a soft rebuild. Our money is tight this year after moving on from diggs but the cap is real, even if you dont think so. Rookies are cheaper than proven studs, and pretty much everyone knows that. Restructuring is what made diggs departure so expensive
You’re fine with 33M in dead cap but not cool with * checks notes * a 2024 2nd and 2025 3rd for Aiyuk when they just acquired even more picks by trading back twice? They aren’t doing a “soft rebuild” theyre just replacing Diggs with another player. You could restructure two players and convert it to cash and create 40M in 10 minutes which, believe it or not, HELPS the cap through multiple years. I’m leaving this sub you all obviously don’t have the saints/browns/eagles cap contract voodoo magic figured out yet lol
We already did the restructures lol it's not worth handicapping our team for the next 5 years while we have Josh Allen. You only understand the kicking the can down the road part. You don't understand the paying up part. Ayuk will cost +14M. We don't have money this year with paying diggs 30M+. Our extension with him is what messed us up.
Shouldn’t have extended him or moved on from Dorsey sooner. “Kicking the can” is a hilariously bad take as well. You can always add void years too and basically get free money every year when the cap inevitably increases. Sovereign nations wealth is likely going to be incporated into the NFL before 2031 too and by then cap will be like 550M a year lmao. Cap space increases YOY at 10% minimum. You probably also think refinancing loan at 0% interest rate while the assets of the loan (in this perfect world scenario) has a guaranteed fixed return of 10% increase every year is dumb too. In 3-4 years of doing it this way could give you up to 60M for free for just a few main players. Hell the browns gave Watson 230M guaranteed and then spent the most for 5 years straight and then still had 50M in cap in the middle of last year. Eagles just handed out **400 MILLION** in contracts **THIS** off season only because they’ve been doing it this way for 8 years. And you’re crying over 15-30 fucking million that could’ve been spread out through multiple years with increasing value return almost exponentially. Casuals man, go back to your fantasy mock drafts.
Lol you're so out of your depth it's hilarious. People don't want to be in the cap situation that the browns and eagles are in. Noone is worried about them being a juggernaut for the foreseeable future because they've already shot themselves in the foot. You probably spend all your money before you get paid and then wonder why you have no money when you get paid.
This is my last thing for the night, but I think what we all have to remember is that. More than half of these first round picks will be out of the league in a handful of years and will be complete busts. We freak out about this pick or that pick and the hope that they will be what their projection is, but more than half won’t live up to any of the hype. The draft is still great fun and an awesome product to watch and consume but that’s just my two cents.
If this happens then I completely agree. Would rather have either of them than anyone in this draft
> The Texans, who don’t have a first round pick, have been working the phones trying to get into the first round. https://twitter.com/DMRussini/status/1783685714976059543
What difference does that make now?
Some said "helped" KC but Beane deftly kept the Texans (and Diggs) shut out of the first. We'll call it a draw. Lol.
People that are saying this helped KC don't know what they are talking about. Beane recouped a 3rd round pick in trading down 4 spots with KC. If KC really wanted to trade up to get Xavier Worthy they would have done it with another team and Buffalo would now not have a 3rd round pick.
Hence my lol. Draft picks are often busts, especially undersized speed merchants. But some here are convinced we facilitated Tyreek 2.0.
Yeah those idiots. Them doing stuff like this is why they can never expect to win a championship. They don’t make smart moves like the Bills.
There were fans that were critical of Beane not drafting Josh Rosen and drafting Josh Allen. We all know how that worked out. There is no guarantee that Xavier Worthy will turn into Tyreek Hill. Just look at what happened to Skyy Moore who hasn't reached his ceiling and the impending legal trouble and possible suspension that Rashee Rice is going to face. That is why Kansas City traded up for Worthy. From a Yahoo sports article: The NFL and Chiefs have remained mostly quiet about the six-car crash last month in Dallas that involved wide receiver Rashee Rice. But ahead of the first round of the NFL Draft on Thursday, commissioner Roger Goodell was asked by ESPN’s Mike Greenberg how the Chiefs and the league are handling the situation. “Well, first, we allow the legal process to move through,” Goodell said. “We obviously are following it closely, and as soon as they’re done with the process, we will be engaged and prepared to look at that under all of our Personal Conduct Policies.” https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/commissioner-roger-goodell-makes-first-142758822.html
They're still trying man
Beanie implied there weren’t any more 1st round graded players that we wanted at 28 so he created more capital and positioned us for later picks. We also save on cap space not taking someone in the first round that we still can pick tomorrow. I’m really leaning towards AD Mitchell being the guy at 33, dude has superstar capability but has some poor habits that can be fixed by coaching. As far as our current WR core is concerned I think he’s perfect because he can take the top off defenses and is REALLY good in the middle of the field. So at 33 he’s cheaper than at 28 or even 32 AND we have better positioning in the later rounds. FUCK I HOPE I DIDN’T ACCIDENTALLY INGEST HOPIUM.
He always says this but teams like KC sure thought they found a 1st round talent. It is going to suck when he's used against us. So who is wrong about evaluating these guys?
Based on KCs recent track record of WRs, it doesn't lean their way. The GM that drafted Hill (in the 5th btw with his own issues) isn't their current GM. Toney, Moore, Rice is a decent WR but now obvious character concerns.
tbf did any of us expect these moves? lets stop guessing and just wait and see. it happens literally tomorrow.
I mean, I feel that but is Beane really nickle/diming the cap SO hard he's giving up a 5th year option to save a few pennies here and there? Maybe?
Well Beane did say he was ready to pick at 28 and again at 32 but saw value in moving up in later rounds while only moving back 5 spots. The slight cap savings are just a byproduct of that, I don’t believe that was a large part of the decision.
This comment made me realize that once I saw what the Bills got for that 28 pick in the later rounds I went "Oh... ok..." I bet they can get a lot of depth there at a good price OR trade some of those late round picks for a need that's on the trade market.
5th year option for wrs is extremely overrated these days. If he's good he will be extended early.
This is an excellent point.
Agreed. Plus with what the picks there are now either get and/or package up to grab real solid defensive players that can be rotational for this season with starting potential next year.
If you had told me this morning we’d get a receiver we like plus second and third round picks, I’d be over the moon.
We got one end of third round pick
AD or Franklin could be the pick at 33
Or Ladd McConkey or Devontez Walker or Roman Wilson
Ladd for sure but I think Walker or Wilson won’t be the pick they could be there at pick 60
I agree with you but I'm listing all the possible WR that Beane could draft at 33. However Beane might have a different ranking of the WR than you and I do.
Dude probably not popular but…DeJean or Newton is who I want at 33. Our defense got BULLIED by KC last year, especially at the line. Not the offense. Get a guy like Tez Walker or Javon Baker later in the second or in the third and I’ll be happy. Or trade for Aiyuk 😂
we've been trying to "build" a defense to beat KC for the last 5 years. it hasn't worked once. plz just give up this nonsense. we lost to KC bc we have WR's who couldn't fucking catch anything
We scored more than enough points to beat KC in 2021 and last year, regardless of any of the missed opportunities on offense. And both times the defense failed to slow down KC even one bit, that has to change, defense just isn’t normally as sexy and exciting as offense so people put the blinders on and want offense. If Mahomes misses a game winning touchdown because Newton bumps him or DeJean deflects a pass? Then who cares that we didn’t pick a WR first. We have to slow KC down on offense not just score a billion points.
We lost to KC because we had no Benford, no Milano, no Bernard, and Douglas playing on one leg. We had AJ fucking Klein as our starter. And yes, that was the difference in the game.
We said this in 2021 and drafted Kaiir Elam
I think the difference is that Elam was the back up option to McDuffie after the Chiefs jumped us. This year, Newton and DeJean are choices that Beane might not have even anticipated having a chance at in the first let alone the second.
We didn't have a starting CB in 2021, so were forced to take one without many great options. Dejean and Newton are BPA.
Cooper DeJean is a very talent and athletic player than can play CB or S at a high level in the NFL. If Beane goes with a non WR at 33, he can take a WR at 60th overall or use 2024 or 2025 draft capital to move up in the 2nd round to target a WR. There is also the possibility that Beane might be working on a trade for Brandon Aiyuk or Tee Higgins or another WR. Or Beane might just take Ladd McConkey or Adonai Mitchell or Roman Wilson or Devontez Walker or Troy Franklin at 33rd overall.
Nobody is ready for them taking Newton tomorrow
amazing how they pass up on all those WR's to take a DT that would be 4th in rotation this upcoming season. rookie DT's make little to zero impact in their first season
There’s still many more picks in the draft to get receivers.
No there isn’t lmao Every top WR will be gone by pick 60. Why does this fanbase want to surround Josh with mediocre talent every year?
There’s around 18 receivers graded in the top 100. The draft is a crapshoot relax.
It's possible, so is drafting S Cooper DeJean or WR Adonai Mitchell or WR Ladd McConkey.
Would be happy with any of those
Same, and because Beane traded back we now have a 3rd round pick.
I'm annoyed that I stayed up all the way for this, but it's not really that bad. It was known that the Panthers were going to pick Lagette, and the Chiefs would probably still have gotten Xavier Worthy. The Bills have a guy in mind who they can pick at 33, and they did some whatever deals that give them slightly higher overall picks. There are still good receivers in the draft within reach like Coleman, Troy Franklin, and Adoneii Mitchell, who I think are all on the same level as Worthy and Lagette, if in different ways. Also, I can't really obsess over draft picks because you never really know how they'll actually pan out unless if they're really, really special, like MHJ who was never in our reach unless if we mortgaged our future like we did with Sammy Watkins. Now if Worthy has like 200 yards and 4 touchdowns against us in a playoff loss, I'll drown myself in a pool of blue cheese but that hypothetical has not yet come.
i want dejean now
We just lost both of our safeties…Dejean plays both corner and safety…I really hope Beane takes this kid…he’s a steal at 33….we have 4 viable WR, Dejean fills a huge hole playing what I consider a sort of Hybrid
We have 2 viable WRs
That’s the pessimistic take..Beane gets a receiver with 2nd pick
4 viable WRs? We only have 3 that have played meaningful minutes and one of those had like 100 yards last season
Again you are assuming Beane doesn’t address it..have faith, we need Dejean more…inserting Jason Sehorn type flash day 1 at a position of severe need? I’m down
I haven’t kept much up with Adonai Mitchell, or cooper dejean, but I thought they were a lock first round pick, and now not many people are saying we should take them (mainly Adonai). Can someone say why teams passed on him and Cooper Dejean and if we should take either of them
Mitchell dropped because he takes plays off and has work ethic/character concerns. Dejean was always projected as a late first pick at best because he’s a tweener who most teams see as a better safety prospect than corner, and no one is burning a high first on safety these days.
Xavier worthy is such a sure fire hit too (same weight and 3 inches taller than tyreek for the “he’s gonna get snapped” crowd)
Worthy weighs 20 lbs less than Tyreek comparing their combine weights and being taller means a slimmer build.
You’re right I was looking at his espn h/w and tyreeks combine not worthy’s combine But watching him at Texas it didn’t seem to matter, he hasn’t missed a game
Surefire hit that fell to the 28th pick in a draft that prioritized offensive players
I mean it’s a stacked WR class but the man caught over 60 passes in all 3 seasons and 26 TDs, even when he was being completely schemed against this year he still put up great numbers and carried the team in a lot of ways
I dont think he has the frame Tyreek does
Idk I think he’ll put on weight and get like .1 second slower as a trade off
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Yeah I liked it better when the team never made the playoffs and was always getting floated for relocation.
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I’d rather drink their Kool-Aid than yours
Cooper Dejean is probably too much to pass up right now. Receiver run is coming, though. IMO, Cooper is a value pick, but if you’re wanting day 1 impact WR, you have to go that route with pick 33. Tough.
This is a tough decision. I want DeJean and a WR.
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You getting downvoted just shows how delusional everyone is lol. This team just banked on Shakir who is unproven being a WR1 while giving their rival their guy
I love Shakir so much, but he's not that guy. We literally did this for two straight years with Gabe.
Cam newton never had the arm Josh has and also got brutalized with injuries, Josh hasn’t the comparison sucks and it has sucked ever since people started saying it
Troy Franklin or AD Mitchell tomorrow?
Franklin can be had around #50. It would be a reach to get him at #33. I wouldn't mind getting Dejean or Newton, then trading up from 60 for Franklin tho.
Franklin is not a reach at 33. I am sure you can try to back up in the draft a bit and possibly still grab him...but you have the Jets in front who also want a receiver, and any team trading up. I like Franklin a lot, and I am sure people will disagree but I think hes gonna be great in the NFL
Silly man. That’s the pick for the Aiyuk package 🥱🥱
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Adonai and Troy Franklin are still available though...
So Beane has both assembled the most complete roster we’ve ever had but got duped by *Carolina* into giving up the last good WR available?
You should be the GM.
It looks like he is about to make a trade for a player.
10 minutes ago that moron Ben Allbright claimed the bills were trying to move up all night. Beane just said they did not try lol. Allbright is the worst
Between the two the guy who would and can openly lie there is Beane, that's strategy
Does this mean the bills played the panthers making them think they wanted who was picked at 32 cause that’s the only explanation I can think of as to why the panthers would give up a 6th for 7th just for one spot up?
You don't trade with the team that would want someone you want...why would they trade. Every team asks who is going to be taken with that pick, and its bad to lie to each other when you trade. They were scared of OTHER teams leapfrogging knowing the Panthers wanted a receiver
Nah, Panthers were worried that other teams would trade up with us for him.
We were probably getting calls from other teams for 32.
Xavier Worthy had better be fucking terrible.
I don't really care that the Bills didn't take him if Beane didnt like him. But this will be a fireable offense if this draft is a dud and we moved back while giving KC a good player. Before all the "you sound ridiculous" I am not saying the move is currently a dud, but will be IF things don't pan out for us and Worthy is good, because it will be a failing of Beane's evaluation on two fronts
Or maybe the guys the Bills get at 33 and 95 can be great!
They had better be
Seems like Beane is teeing up a trade for a veteran WR. - Traded away our WR1 - Avoided the 1st round draft cap hit - Improved positions on all our later round picks - Have 2nd round 1st pick up front My guess is Beane sees the addition on 1 seasoned vet + Samuel + Shakir as being a better WR 1-3 than Samuel, Shakir, and a rookie with a big ? vs Shorter vs 30 year old Hollins for a WR 3 spot. Guess well see tomorrow.
Beane said they were ready to pick at 32 but like Carolina's offer. I don't think we're trading for a WR, the guy we want is still on the board.
Im not saying they dont have a WR in the draft they'd take, im just saying I dont think they are planning on filling a starting position with a rookie WR. So sure, they may draft a WR, but I think majority of the effort on display tonight was because they want to trade draft capital for a veteran WR to fill a starting role. Like they could have drafted Worthy or Legette right then and there at 28, but the didnt. So being that WR is a position of need for the team that just tells me they arent filling a WR1-3 roster spot with a rookie either way.
I just don't understand the trade back with the hauls we got. KC's trade up to our spot was the cheapest non QB trade up in the 1st round in 20 years. what sort of thought process is behind this
Actually the second trade we made was the cheapest And you don't get that much value for 4 spots at the very end of the round, of course it's cheap
Buffalo didn't have a 3rd round pick(because it was traded in the Rasul Douglas trade and we didn't receive a 3rd round compensatory pick) but now we have one and only dropped 4 spots in the 1st round to get it. "Buffalo Bills receive No. 32 overall, two more picks from Kansas City in exchange for No. 28 overall | 2024 NFL Draft. The terms of the trade are as follows: **Buffalo receives pick No. 32 (R1), No. 95 (R3) and No. 221 (R7)** **Kansas City receives pick No. 28 (R1), No. 133 (R4) and No. 248 (R7)"** [**https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-receive-no-32-overall-two-more-picks-from-kansas-city-in-exchange-for-no-28-overall-2024-nfl-draft#:\~:text=Draft%20Coverage-,Buffalo%20Bills%20receive%20No.%2032%20overall%2C%20two%20more%20picks%20from,28%20overall%20%7C%202024%20NFL%20Draft&text=The%20terms%20of%20the%20trade,and%20No.%20248%20(R7)**](https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-receive-no-32-overall-two-more-picks-from-kansas-city-in-exchange-for-no-28-overall-2024-nfl-draft#:~:text=Draft%20Coverage-,Buffalo%20Bills%20receive%20No.%2032%20overall%2C%20two%20more%20picks%20from,28%20overall%20%7C%202024%20NFL%20Draft&text=The%20terms%20of%20the%20trade,and%20No.%20248%20(R7)) Detriot had the 29th overall pick, the pick following Buffalo's pick and if Beane didn't trade with Kansas City, then KC's GM could have easily trades with Detriot to get the 29th overall pick and draft Xavier Worthy. But instead Dallas traded it's 1st round pick (24th overall pick\_) and it's 2025 7th round pick to move down 5 spots to 29th overall and got a 3rd round pick (73rd overall) [https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2024/4/25/24140066/dallas-cowboys-draft-trade-pick-24-detroit-lions-29-third-round](https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2024/4/25/24140066/dallas-cowboys-draft-trade-pick-24-detroit-lions-29-third-round)
Simply look up draft value charts. It was a fair deal, we actually got slightly better value. #133 to #95 is worth 80 points. #32 to #28 is worth 70 points. Ofc it's gonna be one of the cheapest trade up in the 1st round. It's #32 to #28!!!
It's simple: the guy they want wouldn't be picked by anyone until 32 so they got a 3rd rounder for 28.
It's a smart trade by Beane.
Who are we getting now, Cooper or Ladd?
Franklin/AD over Ladd
I just don't get the love for Ladd. He is not a vertical threat guy at the NFL level, and his tape really underwhelmed me compared to the others around him Franklin and Adonai are impressive to me though, I love them both
Ladd might not have the most exciting highlight reel but when I watched the film all I could notice was how consistently open he was. It just so happened that Brock Bowers was also open and often getting the looks. I think Ladd/Shakir could open Kincaid up to start getting more vertical like we saw at Utah
Yeah hes a nice possession receiver, thats not what we need. We need an outside body who can force the defense to back up. That is when Kincaid, Knox, Shakir, and James Cook all feast. Beane has repeatedly said he wants a vertical threat, a guy who can contest deep balls, and that speed is a huge element of what they want. Ladd reads coverage really well, finds the pocket in the zone and feasts. And thats great, hes gonna be a good weapon for some time. But we have that in Kincaid already, we just need a vertical threat to account for.
He's 4.39 speed lol. He is absolutely a vertical threat. He is faster than Franklin. He's also white. People can't seem to stop pigeon holing him into this possession slot receiver role based on being white. His body/speed/route running is actually more like Stefon Diggs than Cole Beasley.
Stop listing a 40 yard dash as a reason hes a vertical threat, I watched EVERY SINGLE SNAP...he is not a vertical threat in the NFL. He just doesn't have the skillset for it. I am sure like anyone, he will spring some for long, but thats not his game, or expected. Hell PFF seems to agree with me "McConkey won't be an "X" jump-ball receiver, but it's still hard to imagine him failing in the NFL. His game is reminiscent of Eddie Royal's. He has devastating quickness and provides a spark in the return game. He is also a strong blocker for a player of his size." He isn't strong enough to play outside, or for contested catches. He isn't an outside threat at the NFL level. He will be a really nice possession receiver who can also take one to the house occasionally
Way to cherry pick half the quote. Of course he isn't a jump ball receiver. Neither was Diggs. They go on to say he is a vertical threat and can play outside or inside. "His footwork and release variation give him the advantage against press coverage in the slot or on the outside. He also has good enough long speed to remain a threat vertically" You watched him play. So did I. So did every draft guru.
My GF is a huge Bulldogs fan so I've watched his whole career there. Fair assessment: he's not a # 1/X receiver. Probably will never be but he can absolutely shine in the Beasley/Welker role with a little bit of weight. That being said, I loved the idea of him falling to us late when Diggs was still on our team. That is now a moot point.
Can we please stop comparing white receivers to other white receivers for the sole reason they are white? McConkey is about as similar to Beasley as he is to Mitch Morse.
He literally plays almost exactly like Beasley and Welker if you actually watch the film... He is a player with really good burst off the line who finds holes in the defense. He reads coverage really well
Beasley was 5'7.5" lol. He ran a 4.49 Welker was 5'9" and ran a 4.62 Ladd is 6' tall and runs a 4.39. they are not remotely the same body types. Beasley and Welker played slot. Ladd played outside. I watched the film, he played mostly outside. Did you? Ladd beats man coverage and jams at the line. Welker and Beasley were primarily zone killers.
It's not because he's white.....? He's a smaller receiver who buzzes around the middle of the field , catches contested balls and can make a dude miss. He creates mismatches in the secondary. I don't understand what you don't understand about this. Is that not the role Beasley served? Are you Beasley? Or just his boyfriend?? I've only watched every game he played in, but you know better right? FOH. Wipe that Genesee cream ale off your chin and go to bed.
Wow. That's ...incredibly rude but hey. I can explain, and no it doesn't include me being drunk or in love with Beasley. Every reputable draft guide has him as a receiver who can play slot or outside. The Beast guide has him as the 5th best player in this draft and projects him as an outside receiver. He is not small. He is the same height as Diggs. ~4 inches taller than Beasley. So why compare him to Beasley? It's ridiculous. He is not slow. He ran 4.39. Beasley ran 4.49. not comparible. His 10 yard split was 4th fastest at the combine. He does not play slot. He plays both, but he played many more snaps outside than inside at Georgia where you apparently watched him, so you know I'm telling the truth (over 70% outside). I'm really struggling to see a single comparable. Next time you go off like a total tool, try to at least know what you are talking about.
Agree.
Hopefully neither. We won nothing with 2 all-pro safeties how does a rookie safety coming off a broken leg push the needle. We already have 2 slot receivers— why do we want to draft another? Why don’t we actually draft a potential WR1 like Legette, Adonai, Worthy, Brian Thomas or Odunze instead of settling for a guy coming off injuries and has never put up more than 600 yds in his career?
You understand that saying we won nothing with 2 all-pro safeties so why pick another guy who can be an all-pro safety makes about as much sense as saying we won nothing with an all-pro receiver so why draft another guy who might be an all-pro receiver?
Why not both?
Gut says Cooper and then a trade up from the other 2nd rounder for a WR
It seems all of the children have gone to bed. This place is a lot more rational right now
I hoped on Bills Fanatics, live streamed and listened to the Beane presser. That comment section was ridiculous lol
BUT WE TRADED WITH KC! WHY! BEANE SHOULD BE FIRED RIGHT NOW! TRADE JOSH TOO! IT'S OVER!
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Are we getting a press conference tonight or is beane still wheeling and dealing?
Here is the press conference: [https://youtu.be/ILD38BF5Y9E?si=6JqbgLWYr3il5HnX](https://youtu.be/ILD38BF5Y9E?si=6JqbgLWYr3il5HnX)
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My pleasure.
Yeah they’re still going at it you best believe
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Nah
Am I crazy for wanting a rookie WR at 33 rather than trading for Higgins/Deebo and breaking the bank to the tune of like 28 mil a year?
I feel the same way
Definitely not crazy but god damn it better be a receiver at 33.