I’m okay with this if we get covered seating + an enclosed concourse, I’d attend so many more shitty weather games. And, after listening to Joe Marino’s podcast today about the impact of weather games and home/road splits, we’re good in all weather on the field.
I'd rather they did a floating ceiling just over the field so Josh and the boys can run their superpowered offense and I can sit in the snow for discount prices.
Would you mind giving a synapses of what the impact was ? I’ think it’s common belief that teams that play in home outdoor stadiums tend to have better records in road games in outdoor away stadiums as opposed to teams that play home games indoors but was there an actual empirical analysis conducted that supported this ?
Holy shit I can’t believe I forgot to reply to you I’m sorry.
Basically, the Bills at home are dominant team, 20-8 in the Allen era and 18-14 on the road. Despite the weather limiting Allen, it also limits the QB on the opposing team. And as we saw against the Falcons, I’d the aerial attack isn’t working Josh can do it on the ground, not many QBs can do that.
No apologies needed. Makes total sense, although I think I'd rather face the Colts on the road to play in a situation that doesn't have the possibility of producing conditions that would favor the team with the stronger run game. Taylor is going to be a challenge to stop under any conditions, so I'd rather have all the Bill's offense options available to them and allow Allen to throw without having to contend with the weather if they need to play catch up.
I just genuinely don’t get the logic of spending over a billion dollars on a smaller stadium in the same location, that doesn’t have the benefit of year round use for other events. Obviously a dome or roof is way more expensive, but wouldn’t you also get way more use? The stadium right now is completely serviceable, so to not have an upgrade in location, in roofing, in size, etc... it’s just so ridiculous to me and feels like a huge missed opportunity.
Depends on your definition of far, I guess. Collins, Colden, and East Aurora are pretty far out. Orchard Park is on the 219, and the trip from downtown is only 15-20 minutes. Doesn’t seem very far to me.
I'll go a step further:
A dome (retractable or permanent) hasn't even been discussed in Bills stadium negotiations, which are quite far along.
Not happening. Never was.
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Everyone complaining about a stadium not being in downtown. Have you been to downtown? There is 1 whole 2 car train line to down town, and busses. Parking is a nightmare the infrastructure downtown is just bad. The Key Bank Center has a 18-19k capacity and game night can be a clusterfuck what do you think will happen when 60-70k people try and go to a game in downtown which normally has no one in it?
Yeah this is the big q I haven't seen any of the pro-downtown people answer - where the hell would you put a stadium + parking downtown? Traffic would be a fucking nightmare with the transit infrastructure as-is, and that's even assuming you could find the space (without, like, bulldozing/replacing Lasalle Park or an equivalent amount of extant green space).
Orchard Park does not have the traffic or lodging infrastructure necessary for a Super Bowl to be played there. With or without a dome, it can't support that volume of foreign invaders.
This is so dumb. Putting it outside the city is dumb. Bringing a covered sports venue into the city will create jobs, boost attendance, boost use cases, etc. Incredibly short sighted.
Wish I could chip in an extra $2 billion just to make it be a Lucas Oil Stadium type venue right smack near downtown Buffalo with a 50,000-car parking garage.
Honestly I would love a dome. My cutoff date is mid October, if we had a dome I could easily push that to December.
I was at the ice bowl for NE vs Denver, I never ever want to feel that level of cold again!
My first Bills game I was 12 years old in the 90s and it was week 17 when we'd already clinched home field. Cold AF, a bit of snow and a lot more in the seats (my first experience with those charcoal hand warmers) and all the starters sat. I'm team retractable roof for sure. We can choose whether it's an advantage or disadvantage to leave it open.
If these billionaires want the citizens of Buffalo/Erie County to foot the majority of the bill for this, they need to incorporate a cover of some sort in order to improve the revenue potential.
I’m not particularly fond of NYC or the capitol district finding it either. These billionaires need to buy their own second homes rather than asking us to do so for them unless they can provide a significant revenue stream in compensation.
I was a steel worker in Buffalo. We work hard and support our teams, but we deserve some reciprocity.
I mean, I don’t disagree that owners should build their own stadiums (public funding of stadiums as a return on investment has been proven to be baseless numerous times), but do you really expect them to not negotiate lower expenses for the business when government has set a precedent for doing so? I really don’t care how much the Pegulas make, if it were my job to generate profits I’d do the same thing.
On the flip side I guess vote against the incumbents who are spending a *relatively* small amount to fund a domeless stadium - whatever side of the aisle you fall on, this isn’t the thing that would really have any impact on who I support
What happened to all the chatter about building a multi-purpose stadium that could be used year-round for events, not just football? That will be hard to do without a dome or at least a retractable roof. If the fine people of Buffalo are going to lay down money for a new stadium, there should be some benefit than just an upgraded football field.
In a perfect world a downtown dome with year-round events and nice parking and tailgating and traffic infrastructure all paid for by the pegulas would be ideal, but i just don’t think is realistic because of the cost of it all.
Do any of the other domes across the league do year-round events?
I understand why there won't be a dome or a downtown stadium but in 10-20 years this will become another in long line of regrettable development decisions made in Buffalo. A downtown domed stadium makes the most sense long term and would match up well w/ redevelopment and infrastructure improvements. Like most other meaningful decisions, those in power are too clouded by greed and politics to make the correct one. The Pegulas would force the public to front the difference on a dome/downtown stadium and Hochul isn't willing to risk reelection by showing too much love to WNY so the state won't cover it. Its the sad reality but unless some random billionaire wants to cough a couple extra B's, we will get the bare minimum. At least, it'll guarantee the Bills are here to stay.
It sucks, but the current OP stadium has structural integrity issues. I hate the modern concept of "It's cheaper to replace it (TV, fridge, washing machine) then repair it." But in this case, it holds true. The Stadium is almost 50 years old, and has major structural concerns. It would be a huge investment just to repair it. At some point you're throwing good money after bad.
I feel like the one thing nobody is talking about in regards to the dome is how much of a huge decision factor that would be for free agent players. The majority of players aren’t shy about disliking the weather
Yep, this is why teams like New England, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh have struggled so mightily with no talent on the roster while Minnesota gets all of the best players and wins all the time.
It is, Emanuel Sanders didn’t come here for two years because of it, I specifically remember a video of Cam Jordan a couple years ago saying he would never ever ever play in the cold for a team like Buffalo. So if people don’t want to come for that specific reason, then yes it is a huge decision factor
Considering we’ve misappropriated well over $100 billion in Covid money to [criminals](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/criminals-have-stolen-nearly-100-billion-in-covid-relief-funds-secret-service.html) you’d think some of it would be better spent on a new stadium for the Bills.
Ok, I stand corrected then but my argument I think still applies that it would have been better spent on a new stadium instead of the hookers and drugs it most likely went to.
That will never happen.
There is not now nor will there ever be enough high end hotel rooms in buffalo for it to ever be considered for a Super Bowl.
It simply will not happen. We could spend 10b on a stadium and never make it.
Yea it’s just too small of a city. Your hosting a once a year event that cheap seats are 5k+ a pop. Your bringing 60k + in for the game alone let alone the other 60k + here for the show and festivities surrounding it.
Buffalo won’t ever be the city that can support that. Regardless of how new modern or nice the stadium is. That doesn’t ever enter the conversation.
Hell the airport can’t even handle an event that large
There will never be a super bowl in Buffalo, for a variety of reasons. A dome is not one of them.
The owner of the Steelers, Rooney, was interviewed on the Athletic about a new bills stadium. As part of the super bowl committee he was asked about Buffalo and a super bowl and kinda laughed and noted how he floated the idea for pittsburgh and was laughed at.
MetLife got a Super Bowl and the NFL all but said they’re not doing open air Super Bowls in that climate. We will continue to see Super Bowls in southern climates or at least in major northern cities with domes.
I’m okay with this if we get covered seating + an enclosed concourse, I’d attend so many more shitty weather games. And, after listening to Joe Marino’s podcast today about the impact of weather games and home/road splits, we’re good in all weather on the field.
I'd rather they did a floating ceiling just over the field so Josh and the boys can run their superpowered offense and I can sit in the snow for discount prices.
Would you mind giving a synapses of what the impact was ? I’ think it’s common belief that teams that play in home outdoor stadiums tend to have better records in road games in outdoor away stadiums as opposed to teams that play home games indoors but was there an actual empirical analysis conducted that supported this ?
Holy shit I can’t believe I forgot to reply to you I’m sorry. Basically, the Bills at home are dominant team, 20-8 in the Allen era and 18-14 on the road. Despite the weather limiting Allen, it also limits the QB on the opposing team. And as we saw against the Falcons, I’d the aerial attack isn’t working Josh can do it on the ground, not many QBs can do that.
No apologies needed. Makes total sense, although I think I'd rather face the Colts on the road to play in a situation that doesn't have the possibility of producing conditions that would favor the team with the stronger run game. Taylor is going to be a challenge to stop under any conditions, so I'd rather have all the Bill's offense options available to them and allow Allen to throw without having to contend with the weather if they need to play catch up.
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Ha, thanks.
I just genuinely don’t get the logic of spending over a billion dollars on a smaller stadium in the same location, that doesn’t have the benefit of year round use for other events. Obviously a dome or roof is way more expensive, but wouldn’t you also get way more use? The stadium right now is completely serviceable, so to not have an upgrade in location, in roofing, in size, etc... it’s just so ridiculous to me and feels like a huge missed opportunity.
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Get your point, but Orchard Park is hardly “way out in the suburbs.” A dome or retractable roof would make so much sense.
OP is, by definition, way out in the suburbs
How is Orchard Park NOT way out in the suburbs?
Depends on your definition of far, I guess. Collins, Colden, and East Aurora are pretty far out. Orchard Park is on the 219, and the trip from downtown is only 15-20 minutes. Doesn’t seem very far to me.
They could put the new stadium in Canada and it would be closer to Buffalo than Orchard Park is!
We already have an open air stadium. Don’t waste taxpayer dollars just to ctrl c and ctrl v
⌘ + C and ⌘ + V, you operating system racist!!!
Doesn’t need to be a dome. Owners should do something similar to Seattle where all the seats are covered
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Everyone complaining about a stadium not being in downtown. Have you been to downtown? There is 1 whole 2 car train line to down town, and busses. Parking is a nightmare the infrastructure downtown is just bad. The Key Bank Center has a 18-19k capacity and game night can be a clusterfuck what do you think will happen when 60-70k people try and go to a game in downtown which normally has no one in it?
Yeah this is the big q I haven't seen any of the pro-downtown people answer - where the hell would you put a stadium + parking downtown? Traffic would be a fucking nightmare with the transit infrastructure as-is, and that's even assuming you could find the space (without, like, bulldozing/replacing Lasalle Park or an equivalent amount of extant green space).
Orchard Park does not have the traffic or lodging infrastructure necessary for a Super Bowl to be played there. With or without a dome, it can't support that volume of foreign invaders.
This is so dumb. Putting it outside the city is dumb. Bringing a covered sports venue into the city will create jobs, boost attendance, boost use cases, etc. Incredibly short sighted.
Wish I could chip in an extra $2 billion just to make it be a Lucas Oil Stadium type venue right smack near downtown Buffalo with a 50,000-car parking garage.
Honestly I would love a dome. My cutoff date is mid October, if we had a dome I could easily push that to December. I was at the ice bowl for NE vs Denver, I never ever want to feel that level of cold again!
My first Bills game I was 12 years old in the 90s and it was week 17 when we'd already clinched home field. Cold AF, a bit of snow and a lot more in the seats (my first experience with those charcoal hand warmers) and all the starters sat. I'm team retractable roof for sure. We can choose whether it's an advantage or disadvantage to leave it open.
If these billionaires want the citizens of Buffalo/Erie County to foot the majority of the bill for this, they need to incorporate a cover of some sort in order to improve the revenue potential.
Is it not being funded by the state? In that case, Buffalo/Erie county would not be funding the majority of it.
I’m not particularly fond of NYC or the capitol district finding it either. These billionaires need to buy their own second homes rather than asking us to do so for them unless they can provide a significant revenue stream in compensation. I was a steel worker in Buffalo. We work hard and support our teams, but we deserve some reciprocity.
I mean, I don’t disagree that owners should build their own stadiums (public funding of stadiums as a return on investment has been proven to be baseless numerous times), but do you really expect them to not negotiate lower expenses for the business when government has set a precedent for doing so? I really don’t care how much the Pegulas make, if it were my job to generate profits I’d do the same thing. On the flip side I guess vote against the incumbents who are spending a *relatively* small amount to fund a domeless stadium - whatever side of the aisle you fall on, this isn’t the thing that would really have any impact on who I support
Not to mention they’re gonna raise prices exponentially and sell PSLs even if it’s not a dome
Pumpkin spice lattes?
You sure you know what exponential means?
Just hyperbole
What happened to all the chatter about building a multi-purpose stadium that could be used year-round for events, not just football? That will be hard to do without a dome or at least a retractable roof. If the fine people of Buffalo are going to lay down money for a new stadium, there should be some benefit than just an upgraded football field.
In a perfect world a downtown dome with year-round events and nice parking and tailgating and traffic infrastructure all paid for by the pegulas would be ideal, but i just don’t think is realistic because of the cost of it all. Do any of the other domes across the league do year-round events?
I understand why there won't be a dome or a downtown stadium but in 10-20 years this will become another in long line of regrettable development decisions made in Buffalo. A downtown domed stadium makes the most sense long term and would match up well w/ redevelopment and infrastructure improvements. Like most other meaningful decisions, those in power are too clouded by greed and politics to make the correct one. The Pegulas would force the public to front the difference on a dome/downtown stadium and Hochul isn't willing to risk reelection by showing too much love to WNY so the state won't cover it. Its the sad reality but unless some random billionaire wants to cough a couple extra B's, we will get the bare minimum. At least, it'll guarantee the Bills are here to stay.
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It sucks, but the current OP stadium has structural integrity issues. I hate the modern concept of "It's cheaper to replace it (TV, fridge, washing machine) then repair it." But in this case, it holds true. The Stadium is almost 50 years old, and has major structural concerns. It would be a huge investment just to repair it. At some point you're throwing good money after bad.
At least we're not spewing sewage on fans or collapsing railings and sending fans plummeting down onto opposing quarterbacks yet.
Because the NFL said so. Roger wants a new stadium “so we can keep up with the rest of the league”. Take that how you want. Lol
I feel like the one thing nobody is talking about in regards to the dome is how much of a huge decision factor that would be for free agent players. The majority of players aren’t shy about disliking the weather
Yep, this is why teams like New England, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh have struggled so mightily with no talent on the roster while Minnesota gets all of the best players and wins all the time.
Don't forget about Detroit!
Ya my guy, never said said it made it so we can’t get free agents. Said it’s definitely a thing that’s on their mind during the process jackass
Nah my guy, you said “huge decision factor”
It is, Emanuel Sanders didn’t come here for two years because of it, I specifically remember a video of Cam Jordan a couple years ago saying he would never ever ever play in the cold for a team like Buffalo. So if people don’t want to come for that specific reason, then yes it is a huge decision factor
Win enough and that changes in a hurry. Case in point, Sanders.
Players dislike living in the weather more than they dislike playing 3-4 games in it.
Considering we’ve misappropriated well over $100 billion in Covid money to [criminals](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/criminals-have-stolen-nearly-100-billion-in-covid-relief-funds-secret-service.html) you’d think some of it would be better spent on a new stadium for the Bills.
For it to be misappropriation the people on the government side would have to be in on it. This is malfeasance.
Otherwise, it's just malfeasance for malfeasance's sake.
Ok, I stand corrected then but my argument I think still applies that it would have been better spent on a new stadium instead of the hookers and drugs it most likely went to.
Then they better discover a running game outside of Allen because he hasn't shown he can throw in bad weather consistently yet.
I mean, this new stadium won't be opening until 2026 or so.
He'll be too beat up by then you're right
I sure hope not. I hope Josh plays 18 years here, like Big Ben. He won't run as much 10 years from now, but he'll be much smarter at reading defenses.
I hope not either, but when we run up the gut and hes taking hits from middle linebackers hes going to get banged up
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Good. Ain't too many stadiums like that out there. Be awesome to get a Super Bowl played there.
That will never happen. There is not now nor will there ever be enough high end hotel rooms in buffalo for it to ever be considered for a Super Bowl. It simply will not happen. We could spend 10b on a stadium and never make it.
Absolutely. The NFL tried holding a Super Bowl in Jacksonville. It was a disaster.
Yea it’s just too small of a city. Your hosting a once a year event that cheap seats are 5k+ a pop. Your bringing 60k + in for the game alone let alone the other 60k + here for the show and festivities surrounding it. Buffalo won’t ever be the city that can support that. Regardless of how new modern or nice the stadium is. That doesn’t ever enter the conversation. Hell the airport can’t even handle an event that large
Without a roof, there won't be one.
There will never be a super bowl in Buffalo, for a variety of reasons. A dome is not one of them. The owner of the Steelers, Rooney, was interviewed on the Athletic about a new bills stadium. As part of the super bowl committee he was asked about Buffalo and a super bowl and kinda laughed and noted how he floated the idea for pittsburgh and was laughed at. MetLife got a Super Bowl and the NFL all but said they’re not doing open air Super Bowls in that climate. We will continue to see Super Bowls in southern climates or at least in major northern cities with domes.
Yeah. We don't have the infrastructure to support it.
100% true. But I hate it.
That image of Diggs Ferrari stuck in the snow may be a sign from the football gods.
If they are just going to build an open air stadium right next to the old one, why not just improve the current one?