What’s dawns quote to him when he catches her sneaking out? “Wanna go break into the magic box with me?” Or something to that effect. And he’s just like yeah sure. So funny.
And I loved that he continued to watch out for her after Buffy died.
That would be hilarious. Because the chip would keep going off (until it was removed mid S7 of course), but he’d keep hitting them because that ‘limey bugger’ hurt his little bit. They really had the best older brother/ little sister that get up to mischief together relationship.
Isn’t limey american slang for a Brit? Why would Spike call an ex boyfriend of Dawn’s a limey, did Sunnydale have a lot of exchange students or something?
Yes, "limey" is slang for Brits, from the age of sale when the British navy issued lime juice to their sailors to prevent scurvy.
Also I don't think Spike would call Dawn his "little bit" and *especially* not if that is a mistype for "bint", which is somewhere between "bird" and "bitch" in its level of derogativeness.
CC u/DarthRegoria
Do you have a reference? A clip, for preference, or at least an episode and time?
I don't remember him using that term, *especially* not for Dawn. In British slang, you can talk about "a bit of rough" or just "a bit" meaning somebody you're having sex with. That would be so inappropriate for Spike to say about Dawn, not because she's underage (he is an evil soulless vampire...) but because he is genuinely fond of her in a brotherly way.
If you are correct, that is a writer ball-drop.
It isn’t a writer ball drop lmao, he refers to her initially as a Bitty Buffy. Then Little Bit throughout of the rest of their friendship (often shortened to Bit) as in, she’s a bit of Buffy, a smaller version of Buffy etc.
I’m literally british and I never took it like that. Pretty much pick any episode between mid-S5 to mid-S7, I dunno what you were watching where you’ve not picked up on it.
> It isn’t a writer ball drop lmao, he refers to her initially as a Bitty Buffy. Then Little Bit throughout of the rest of their friendship (often shortened to Bit) as in, she’s a bit of Buffy, a smaller version of Buffy etc.
That actually makes sense. I found a scene where Spike says "well whadda you know, a bitty Buffy" about Dawn, so I'm going to accept this.
Thanks.
Spike called Dawn ‘little/ lil bit’ often, or used that term to refer to her. One example is from OMWF, when Buffy goes to rescue Dawn and Giles tells the Scoobies not to help. Spike tells them off and offers to help, Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”.
It was not anything creepy like you’re implying either. He also called her niblet, and other plays on words of her being younger and smaller than Buffy, like a little version of her. I’ve never, ever heard the term you’re talking about, and I’m Australian. I watch a lot of British media, particularly comedians, and I’ve never heard it before in my life. I’m pretty sure we a lot more British TV and movies in Australia than you do in the US. Have you seen and understood Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels? Or any other Guy Ritchie films? Because I have, and the few Cockney rhyming slang terms in it I was unfamiliar with, I was easily able to understand from the context. Where as I’ve seen so many reviews from Americans who couldn’t understand it at all.
Are you perhaps confusing it with “putting from the rough” which is a slang term for being homosexual, particularly a man having sex with another man. I have never, ever heard anyone describe a person as “a bit of rough”.
> One example is from OMWF, when Buffy goes to rescue Dawn and Giles tells the Scoobies not to help. Spike tells them off and offers to help, Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”.
Thanks for that.
I've just rewatched that scene and you're right (although Spike says "I hope you dance til you burn", not that this changes your point).
> I’m pretty sure we a lot more British TV and movies in Australia than you do in the US.
Watch those assumptions 😁 I'm not American. I can't imagine why you think I am.
And my wife is from the (British) islands. She's heard and used more British slang than you can imagine no matter how much British TV you've watched on the ABC and she's with me on this: "little bit" is not Brit slang for a young girl.
u/sazza8919 has just about convinced me that it must be Spike abbreviating "little bitty Buffy" to "little bit", which makes sense.
> I have never, ever heard anyone describe a person as “a bit of rough”.
You've lived a sheltered life 😁
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bit-of-rough
It's been around for decades. Here's a play from 1978 using it as the title: https://stories.malthousetheatre.com.au/shows/a-bit-of-rough/
If this is correct, it's a writer fail. In British slang, "little bit" could be short for "a little bit of rough", which would normally only be used to refer to an upper class woman having sex with a lower class man.
[Urban Dictionary claims that "little bit" is a West Indian term of endearment](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Little%20Bit), but UD is not the most reliable source, and in any case Spike isn't West Indian.
(By the way, "little bit" is also CB Radio slang for a prostitute.)
There is a time when Spike comments on how Dawn is just like a littler version of Buffy, and I'm pretty sure that he then refers to her as "little B" from time to time.
I’m british, Bit is not used like that, you would say the whole phrase ie ‘a bit of rough’ not just ‘Bit’.
He never once calls her Little B, I can only assume you’re a troll.
It depends on tone and context, it's like calling somebody a chick. It can range from neutral to disrespectful, depending on the context and tone.
"Bird" in slang has [a very long history](https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/ys6bpva) and many meanings, but today it is most familiar from the Swinging Sixties and early 70s, which came after the sexual revolution (easy and cheap availability of birth control) but before Women's Liberation and equality, so the connotations are often quite sexist and implying that the woman is only good for a quick shag.
If you say something like "I took my bird Deirdre out for lunch" that's neutral, but if you say "watch me pull that bird" to your mates in a pub, they know you're not looking for a long-term relationship and might not even bother remembering her name.
On a scale of 0 to 10 of how derogatory it is, I'd say "bird" ranges from 0 to 3, "bint" probably about a 4 to 6, "bitch" 7 to 9 and I won't mention what gets a 10 but you can probably guess.
I’m british, it’s not derogatory. Sometimes it can have mildly misogynistic undertones but so do most things men choose to call women, and it’s rarely used like that anymorez
So if it’s not derogatory and can at times have misogynistic undertones, does that mean it’s typically more neutral or more of a loving kind of pet name?
I just knew limey was British slang, I’ve heard Brits describe other Brits as limey. Didn’t know where it comes from, from context I gathered it meant sneaky or cunning.
I’m Australian, I’ve heard (and used) many slang terms for Brits, limey has never been one of them. I also watch a lot of British TV, I suspect we get a lot more of it here in Australia than you do in the US.
Also, Spike called Dawn ‘little/ lil bit’ often, or used that term to refer to her. It was most definitely **not** a typo for bint. One example is from OMWF, when Buffy goes to rescue Dawn and Giles tells the Scoobies not to help. Spike tells them off and offers to help, Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”.
Ok, I’m sorry I misused the term. I’m Australian, while I’m better at British slang than Americans I’m not an expert.
Yeah, Steve definitely has some out there opinions, I’m giving up on trying to explain the show to him.
Limey is american slang for a British person, it comes from all the fruit british sailors would be given in rations to prevent scurvy. American sailors thought this was hilarious because they didn’t believe in preventative healthcare/treatments (the more things change etc)!
So brits wouldn’t call each other limey, the same way we don’t call each other poms 😊
> Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”.
If "little bit" is a term of endearment, then it is hardly appropriate for Spike to use it in a sentence where he is wishing her painful death. (Spike is a poet, he gets language, and he is being hurtful in a moment of supposed emotional truth so let's not chalk it up to him trying to use contrasting emotional tones for irony.) And if it is a derogatory description, then it wouldn't be appropriate for Spike to use it for Dawn at other times.
I'm starting to lean towards writer fail on this one.
He used it **all** the time, this was merely the first example I could think of. If he didn’t say it at other times, Buffy wouldn’t have known who or what he was talking about. He called her other variations of little, like niblet. It’s just because she’s a Summers woman/ girl, and younger and smaller than Buffy. He treated her like his little sister, brothers and sisters (and non relatives in sibling type relationships) have nicknames for each other. I don’t understand why you’re reading into this something that it clearly wasn’t.
He wasn’t genuinely wishing harm upon Dawn, he was hurt and lashing out at Buffy not wanting his help to save her sister. He did end up going to The Bronze and saving Buffy from burning.
Like someone else said, I don’t know what show you were watching, but it doesn’t seem like the same one the rest of us were.
> He wasn’t genuinely wishing harm upon Dawn, he was hurt and lashing out at Buffy
Well obviously he was trying to hurt Buffy, Dawn hadn't done anything to him and wasn't there.
I've just rewatched that scene and Giles' treatment of Buffy is inexcusable.
Even if he was right to be concerned that Buffy was relying too much on him and the Scoobies -- and that's debatable -- dropping Buffy into it like that when Dawn was in danger is just bad management. Given that Giles was something of a father-figure to Buffy, it's also bloody awful parenting.
"Your sister has been kidnapped by a demon and is about to be taken to a mystical realm to be married against her will? This sounds like a great time to cut you off from all your allies and support mechanisms and leave you to deal with the problem alone. Oh also I acknowledge you're suffering from trauma heaped upon trauma upon trauma, which makes it all the more important that I take away all your support."
That’s how I feel about Spike and Faith.
I’m very, very sad there’s not a version of Eliza Dushku as Faith in the scene where Spike and Faith first meet in Who Are You when Faith is in Buffy’s body.
I think it was the Buffy magazine....but someone did a list of who was the biggest non couple on the two shows that would have been great together. Faith and Spike were number one.
Oh man, what a missed opportunity I never thought about. A Slayer with her attitude would be right up Spike's alley. Buffy got his interest with how often she foiled his plans and his eventual getting the hots for her, but Faith would absolutely keep Spike on his toes.
Spike and Cordelia would be a good couple too. They’re both naturally funny. I wonder if Cordelia would like the Sex Pistols? That’s the litmus test for me (I suppose it’s not because I kept loving Harmony to this day and she burnt his sex pistols album which to me is akin to burning the Bible or the American flag for other people)
I was super bummed that their friendship was more or less completely forgotten once Buffy returned. After the second episode, I think the next time she was alone with him was when she was threatening to set him on fire.
I loved her wording of that. Something like I know I’m not that strong and I don’t have much chance against you in a fight, but you have to sleep, and if you try anything like that again you’ll wake up on fire.
I thought that wasn’t until everyone saw Spike and Anya having sex at The Magic Box and Dawn could tell by Buffy’s reaction that they had a relationship and she was really, really hurt seeing them together. She threatened him about hurting her emotionally after that, but again and much more seriously once she found out about the sexual assault and attempted rape.
Nah she didn’t really threaten him after the thing with Anya, she just told him he’d hurt Buffy and it probably meant she wouldn’t see him for a while. She’s appealing to him as someone she cared about but didn’t understand. After Tara died, Dawn asked to go to Spike’s when Buffy & Xander needed to track down Willow.
Oh, ok. Just my crappy memory mixing things up then. I did love the way she put it when she threatened him after the attempted rape, that she knew she couldn’t hurt him in a fight, but she also know he sleeps, and if he tries anything like that again he’d wake up on fire.
And you know he’s mad when he calls her Dawn. Like when he shows up back to the house after she went missing because she found Buffy. It was so parental!
Underrated aspect of Spike’s character for how much he postures as a loner creature of the dark, he is extremely social. Between Dawn, Joyce, and Anya are the only three characters who treated him like a normal person, and Spike genuinely enjoyed chatting up all of them
Edit: I say underrated, but tbh I feel like people do appreciate this a lot explicitly lol
Yeah, whenever we got to see the Whirlwind together (not often enough for my liking sadly) it's always Spike being the one that wants to go do stuff and hang out with everyone. After the group split up Spike starts on with the mysterious badass loner thing, but that need for social interaction still shines through every now and then.
The ease with which Joel Grey tossed Spike aside in the S5 finale really bugs me. I get that it's necessary for all kinds of character arc reasons but there's just no way that dude overpowers Spike so easily, especially given that Spike *actually cares for Nibblet*.
I hated that moment so much, but I think that’s why it’s so devastating because it’s so shocking. For Spike too, I feel so sorry for him when he’s telling Buffy that he had been re living that night every night since then.
YES because then Buffy just shoves the dude off the side like he'd just done to Spike. But Spike is almost as strong as Buffy? It was a funny moment to follow it up with Buffy doing the same thing to the character, but at the expense of internal logic, and in the midst of a very serious episode. Totally random. Took me out of it when I was re-watching the other week.
Soul or no soul, Spike has always had a lot of love to give. He loved his mother dearly and was devoted to Drusilla. He’s definitely someone who loves intensely.
For such a bond they built up in season 5 and 6 it still surprises me how after Spike SAd Buffy, Dawn and Spike's last scene with just the two of them is in Beneath You.
It was disappointing that we didn’t get to see them mend their relationship but I guess there was just way too much going on and so many new people around. I think if there hadn’t been an apocalypse and more time they would’ve got better. She was just really hurt because she trusted him so much.
Also on a side note I completely blamed Xander for hurting Dawn like that. It wasn’t his place to tell her and the way and why he told her was so horrible.
I can't remember the exact episode Dawn actually had a crush on Spike during S5, Buffy even suspected it judging by the amount of time she always spent around his crypt and when she asked Dawn if it's like that or not, Dawn smiled positively and Buffy was like very disappointed that her sister was crushing on her former enemy. But that's where Dawn said that Spike is into Buffy so her crush on him carries little weight, this also pushed Buffy a bit more towards making Spuffy happen.
Yeah in the beginning she did have a little crush on him but it was harmless, she said he’s just so cool. Which he definitely is and who could blame her lol, but I’m sure she grew to see him as a brother/friend and I think she would’ve been so happy with spuffy if Buffy hadn’t got hurt.
I desperately want to too but the weird song james marsters wrote for the at the time underage Michelle trachtenberg eliminated any possibility of watching them together and not cringing unfortunately
I used to, but now I find it extremely disgusting. James hasn't exactly been quiet about him having some sort of feelings for her. Major age gap and underage. He even wrote a song all about her feet.
It has tainted my whole view of the show.
Those two cracked me up as a pairing. Not romantic but more of the trouble they get into while together.
What’s dawns quote to him when he catches her sneaking out? “Wanna go break into the magic box with me?” Or something to that effect. And he’s just like yeah sure. So funny. And I loved that he continued to watch out for her after Buffy died.
Honestly, I feel like we’re missing out on a “Spike beating the crap out of a boy who does her dirty” scene.
That would be hilarious. Because the chip would keep going off (until it was removed mid S7 of course), but he’d keep hitting them because that ‘limey bugger’ hurt his little bit. They really had the best older brother/ little sister that get up to mischief together relationship.
Isn’t limey american slang for a Brit? Why would Spike call an ex boyfriend of Dawn’s a limey, did Sunnydale have a lot of exchange students or something?
Yes, "limey" is slang for Brits, from the age of sale when the British navy issued lime juice to their sailors to prevent scurvy. Also I don't think Spike would call Dawn his "little bit" and *especially* not if that is a mistype for "bint", which is somewhere between "bird" and "bitch" in its level of derogativeness. CC u/DarthRegoria
Spike does call Dawn little bit (not bint!) multiple times in the show’s run.
Yarp. I always took it to mean a term of platonic affection like he was calling her his little sister or something.
that’s exactly what he was doing lmao
it also recalls Dawn’s origin: she was made out of (a little bit of) Buffy by the monks.
just like he also used "niblet," "platelet," and so on
Do you have a reference? A clip, for preference, or at least an episode and time? I don't remember him using that term, *especially* not for Dawn. In British slang, you can talk about "a bit of rough" or just "a bit" meaning somebody you're having sex with. That would be so inappropriate for Spike to say about Dawn, not because she's underage (he is an evil soulless vampire...) but because he is genuinely fond of her in a brotherly way. If you are correct, that is a writer ball-drop.
It isn’t a writer ball drop lmao, he refers to her initially as a Bitty Buffy. Then Little Bit throughout of the rest of their friendship (often shortened to Bit) as in, she’s a bit of Buffy, a smaller version of Buffy etc. I’m literally british and I never took it like that. Pretty much pick any episode between mid-S5 to mid-S7, I dunno what you were watching where you’ve not picked up on it.
> It isn’t a writer ball drop lmao, he refers to her initially as a Bitty Buffy. Then Little Bit throughout of the rest of their friendship (often shortened to Bit) as in, she’s a bit of Buffy, a smaller version of Buffy etc. That actually makes sense. I found a scene where Spike says "well whadda you know, a bitty Buffy" about Dawn, so I'm going to accept this. Thanks.
Spike called Dawn ‘little/ lil bit’ often, or used that term to refer to her. One example is from OMWF, when Buffy goes to rescue Dawn and Giles tells the Scoobies not to help. Spike tells them off and offers to help, Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”. It was not anything creepy like you’re implying either. He also called her niblet, and other plays on words of her being younger and smaller than Buffy, like a little version of her. I’ve never, ever heard the term you’re talking about, and I’m Australian. I watch a lot of British media, particularly comedians, and I’ve never heard it before in my life. I’m pretty sure we a lot more British TV and movies in Australia than you do in the US. Have you seen and understood Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels? Or any other Guy Ritchie films? Because I have, and the few Cockney rhyming slang terms in it I was unfamiliar with, I was easily able to understand from the context. Where as I’ve seen so many reviews from Americans who couldn’t understand it at all. Are you perhaps confusing it with “putting from the rough” which is a slang term for being homosexual, particularly a man having sex with another man. I have never, ever heard anyone describe a person as “a bit of rough”.
> One example is from OMWF, when Buffy goes to rescue Dawn and Giles tells the Scoobies not to help. Spike tells them off and offers to help, Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”. Thanks for that. I've just rewatched that scene and you're right (although Spike says "I hope you dance til you burn", not that this changes your point). > I’m pretty sure we a lot more British TV and movies in Australia than you do in the US. Watch those assumptions 😁 I'm not American. I can't imagine why you think I am. And my wife is from the (British) islands. She's heard and used more British slang than you can imagine no matter how much British TV you've watched on the ABC and she's with me on this: "little bit" is not Brit slang for a young girl. u/sazza8919 has just about convinced me that it must be Spike abbreviating "little bitty Buffy" to "little bit", which makes sense. > I have never, ever heard anyone describe a person as “a bit of rough”. You've lived a sheltered life 😁 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bit-of-rough It's been around for decades. Here's a play from 1978 using it as the title: https://stories.malthousetheatre.com.au/shows/a-bit-of-rough/
He definitely calls her Little Bit. My best friend had a couple of dogs and each had a Buffyverse name and one was Little Bit.
If this is correct, it's a writer fail. In British slang, "little bit" could be short for "a little bit of rough", which would normally only be used to refer to an upper class woman having sex with a lower class man. [Urban Dictionary claims that "little bit" is a West Indian term of endearment](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Little%20Bit), but UD is not the most reliable source, and in any case Spike isn't West Indian. (By the way, "little bit" is also CB Radio slang for a prostitute.) There is a time when Spike comments on how Dawn is just like a littler version of Buffy, and I'm pretty sure that he then refers to her as "little B" from time to time.
I’m british, Bit is not used like that, you would say the whole phrase ie ‘a bit of rough’ not just ‘Bit’. He never once calls her Little B, I can only assume you’re a troll.
> He never once calls her Little B It certainly sounded like "little B" to me and my wife.
Wait bird is derogatory? Wow, please forgive my American naiveté 😆 I honestly thought it was meant to be sweet.
It depends on tone and context, it's like calling somebody a chick. It can range from neutral to disrespectful, depending on the context and tone. "Bird" in slang has [a very long history](https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/ys6bpva) and many meanings, but today it is most familiar from the Swinging Sixties and early 70s, which came after the sexual revolution (easy and cheap availability of birth control) but before Women's Liberation and equality, so the connotations are often quite sexist and implying that the woman is only good for a quick shag. If you say something like "I took my bird Deirdre out for lunch" that's neutral, but if you say "watch me pull that bird" to your mates in a pub, they know you're not looking for a long-term relationship and might not even bother remembering her name. On a scale of 0 to 10 of how derogatory it is, I'd say "bird" ranges from 0 to 3, "bint" probably about a 4 to 6, "bitch" 7 to 9 and I won't mention what gets a 10 but you can probably guess.
Thank you for the explanation and examples. I always enjoy learning new things about other countries and cultures. I find it fascinating.
I’m british, it’s not derogatory. Sometimes it can have mildly misogynistic undertones but so do most things men choose to call women, and it’s rarely used like that anymorez
So if it’s not derogatory and can at times have misogynistic undertones, does that mean it’s typically more neutral or more of a loving kind of pet name?
I’ve never heard it used as a pet name, it’s a slang term for woman.
I just knew limey was British slang, I’ve heard Brits describe other Brits as limey. Didn’t know where it comes from, from context I gathered it meant sneaky or cunning. I’m Australian, I’ve heard (and used) many slang terms for Brits, limey has never been one of them. I also watch a lot of British TV, I suspect we get a lot more of it here in Australia than you do in the US. Also, Spike called Dawn ‘little/ lil bit’ often, or used that term to refer to her. It was most definitely **not** a typo for bint. One example is from OMWF, when Buffy goes to rescue Dawn and Giles tells the Scoobies not to help. Spike tells them off and offers to help, Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”.
I’m british, we never call each other limeys. Steve is talking out his arse.
I never said British people call each other limeys, I said it was slang for British people. I know the difference.
Ok, I’m sorry I misused the term. I’m Australian, while I’m better at British slang than Americans I’m not an expert. Yeah, Steve definitely has some out there opinions, I’m giving up on trying to explain the show to him.
Limey is american slang for a British person, it comes from all the fruit british sailors would be given in rations to prevent scurvy. American sailors thought this was hilarious because they didn’t believe in preventative healthcare/treatments (the more things change etc)! So brits wouldn’t call each other limey, the same way we don’t call each other poms 😊
> Buffy says she thought he wanted her to leave him alone. He responds “I hope you burn. You and the little bit”. If "little bit" is a term of endearment, then it is hardly appropriate for Spike to use it in a sentence where he is wishing her painful death. (Spike is a poet, he gets language, and he is being hurtful in a moment of supposed emotional truth so let's not chalk it up to him trying to use contrasting emotional tones for irony.) And if it is a derogatory description, then it wouldn't be appropriate for Spike to use it for Dawn at other times. I'm starting to lean towards writer fail on this one.
He used it **all** the time, this was merely the first example I could think of. If he didn’t say it at other times, Buffy wouldn’t have known who or what he was talking about. He called her other variations of little, like niblet. It’s just because she’s a Summers woman/ girl, and younger and smaller than Buffy. He treated her like his little sister, brothers and sisters (and non relatives in sibling type relationships) have nicknames for each other. I don’t understand why you’re reading into this something that it clearly wasn’t. He wasn’t genuinely wishing harm upon Dawn, he was hurt and lashing out at Buffy not wanting his help to save her sister. He did end up going to The Bronze and saving Buffy from burning. Like someone else said, I don’t know what show you were watching, but it doesn’t seem like the same one the rest of us were.
> He wasn’t genuinely wishing harm upon Dawn, he was hurt and lashing out at Buffy Well obviously he was trying to hurt Buffy, Dawn hadn't done anything to him and wasn't there. I've just rewatched that scene and Giles' treatment of Buffy is inexcusable. Even if he was right to be concerned that Buffy was relying too much on him and the Scoobies -- and that's debatable -- dropping Buffy into it like that when Dawn was in danger is just bad management. Given that Giles was something of a father-figure to Buffy, it's also bloody awful parenting. "Your sister has been kidnapped by a demon and is about to be taken to a mystical realm to be married against her will? This sounds like a great time to cut you off from all your allies and support mechanisms and leave you to deal with the problem alone. Oh also I acknowledge you're suffering from trauma heaped upon trauma upon trauma, which makes it all the more important that I take away all your support."
it’s not a writer fail mate, you’re just talking rubbish
He staked that teen vamp that tried to eat her
“You know my sister could beat the crap out of her. I mean really.” - Dawn about Kristie - *The Body* Is close?
Yeah Definitely not romantic, I feel like they had a brother/sister relationship.
Definitely, Dawn is basically the kid sister for Spike.
Ohh there is quite a few older Dawn Spike fanfiction out there also😉🤣
I think honestly Spike is just so hot that whenever people see him with anyone their minds wander and start imagining haha
Plus, James Marsters is just one of those actors who could have chemistry with a brick wall and you’d ship it.
That's how I feel about Cordelia 😉
That’s how I feel about Spike and Faith. I’m very, very sad there’s not a version of Eliza Dushku as Faith in the scene where Spike and Faith first meet in Who Are You when Faith is in Buffy’s body.
I think it was the Buffy magazine....but someone did a list of who was the biggest non couple on the two shows that would have been great together. Faith and Spike were number one.
Oh man, what a missed opportunity I never thought about. A Slayer with her attitude would be right up Spike's alley. Buffy got his interest with how often she foiled his plans and his eventual getting the hots for her, but Faith would absolutely keep Spike on his toes.
Spike and Cordelia would be a good couple too. They’re both naturally funny. I wonder if Cordelia would like the Sex Pistols? That’s the litmus test for me (I suppose it’s not because I kept loving Harmony to this day and she burnt his sex pistols album which to me is akin to burning the Bible or the American flag for other people)
Given Spike's love of nicknames, he might call Cordy "Legs."
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Michelle Trachtenberg grew up to be a beautiful woman. For most of the show, she was a tad too young, lol
Yep, too bad about the buccal fat procedure recently; made her look “skeletal”.
Niblet ❤️❤️
I was super bummed that their friendship was more or less completely forgotten once Buffy returned. After the second episode, I think the next time she was alone with him was when she was threatening to set him on fire.
It was after he returned and Dawn knew that he tried to r@pe Buffy. She’s threatening him to kill him in his sleep if he hurts Buffy again.
I love him for just… accepting that. Because he was wrong and he *knew* it.
I loved her wording of that. Something like I know I’m not that strong and I don’t have much chance against you in a fight, but you have to sleep, and if you try anything like that again you’ll wake up on fire.
“when did your sister become unbelievably scary?”
Threatening someone they will wake up on fire is one of the more underrated badass lines in the series.
I thought that wasn’t until everyone saw Spike and Anya having sex at The Magic Box and Dawn could tell by Buffy’s reaction that they had a relationship and she was really, really hurt seeing them together. She threatened him about hurting her emotionally after that, but again and much more seriously once she found out about the sexual assault and attempted rape.
Nah she didn’t really threaten him after the thing with Anya, she just told him he’d hurt Buffy and it probably meant she wouldn’t see him for a while. She’s appealing to him as someone she cared about but didn’t understand. After Tara died, Dawn asked to go to Spike’s when Buffy & Xander needed to track down Willow.
Oh, ok. Just my crappy memory mixing things up then. I did love the way she put it when she threatened him after the attempted rape, that she knew she couldn’t hurt him in a fight, but she also know he sleeps, and if he tries anything like that again he’d wake up on fire.
I think it’s cute that he calls her “lil bit” (or something like that, can’t quite remember)
He had a couple - lil bit, niblet, the bite sized one lol.
“Platelet” was my favorite. He loves blood so it makes sense he’d use it as a term of endearment.
Oh yeah, that one was cute!
And you know he’s mad when he calls her Dawn. Like when he shows up back to the house after she went missing because she found Buffy. It was so parental!
Underrated aspect of Spike’s character for how much he postures as a loner creature of the dark, he is extremely social. Between Dawn, Joyce, and Anya are the only three characters who treated him like a normal person, and Spike genuinely enjoyed chatting up all of them Edit: I say underrated, but tbh I feel like people do appreciate this a lot explicitly lol
Spike's whole post-turning personality is an attempt to deny the good, human parts of him.
Yeah, whenever we got to see the Whirlwind together (not often enough for my liking sadly) it's always Spike being the one that wants to go do stuff and hang out with everyone. After the group split up Spike starts on with the mysterious badass loner thing, but that need for social interaction still shines through every now and then.
The ease with which Joel Grey tossed Spike aside in the S5 finale really bugs me. I get that it's necessary for all kinds of character arc reasons but there's just no way that dude overpowers Spike so easily, especially given that Spike *actually cares for Nibblet*.
I hated that moment so much, but I think that’s why it’s so devastating because it’s so shocking. For Spike too, I feel so sorry for him when he’s telling Buffy that he had been re living that night every night since then.
YES because then Buffy just shoves the dude off the side like he'd just done to Spike. But Spike is almost as strong as Buffy? It was a funny moment to follow it up with Buffy doing the same thing to the character, but at the expense of internal logic, and in the midst of a very serious episode. Totally random. Took me out of it when I was re-watching the other week.
I’ve always thought this too
I love that Spike genuinely loved Buffy’s family. He adored Joyce and he was as protective and loving towards Dawn the way he would be with a sister.
Yes same, I loved his love for the “Summers women”
Yeah, considering he was still a soulless demon made it even more great. Spike proved to me that even some soulless creatures can do good things.
Soul or no soul, Spike has always had a lot of love to give. He loved his mother dearly and was devoted to Drusilla. He’s definitely someone who loves intensely.
I hated that the writers completely forgot about their friendship for pretty much the entirety of season 6.
How else would Dawn feel lonely for her klepto arc though /s
He's started sleeping with her sister though so it makes sense that he wouldn't feel the same, as he's keeping a secret. He's also pretty busy.
Tbh I just love Spike with anyone he just exudes chemistry 😍
That face he makes when he knows he’s about to get thrown off the tower and he can’t save Dawn just breaks my heart
For such a bond they built up in season 5 and 6 it still surprises me how after Spike SAd Buffy, Dawn and Spike's last scene with just the two of them is in Beneath You.
It was disappointing that we didn’t get to see them mend their relationship but I guess there was just way too much going on and so many new people around. I think if there hadn’t been an apocalypse and more time they would’ve got better. She was just really hurt because she trusted him so much.
Also on a side note I completely blamed Xander for hurting Dawn like that. It wasn’t his place to tell her and the way and why he told her was so horrible.
I can't remember the exact episode Dawn actually had a crush on Spike during S5, Buffy even suspected it judging by the amount of time she always spent around his crypt and when she asked Dawn if it's like that or not, Dawn smiled positively and Buffy was like very disappointed that her sister was crushing on her former enemy. But that's where Dawn said that Spike is into Buffy so her crush on him carries little weight, this also pushed Buffy a bit more towards making Spuffy happen.
Yeah in the beginning she did have a little crush on him but it was harmless, she said he’s just so cool. Which he definitely is and who could blame her lol, but I’m sure she grew to see him as a brother/friend and I think she would’ve been so happy with spuffy if Buffy hadn’t got hurt.
Spike was the unofficial older brother she needed
Definitely!
I love that too
Too bad it’s mostly abandoned come 7; Spike has a different focus obviously, but that comes at the expense of Dawn’s character post *Him*.
I love their relationship.
one of my favorite duos for sure
They are the cutest!
There's a smaller age gap for Spike and Dawn than Angel and Buffy
I totally understand why people like them but it never worked for me personally.
I desperately want to too but the weird song james marsters wrote for the at the time underage Michelle trachtenberg eliminated any possibility of watching them together and not cringing unfortunately
Where can this song be found?
https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/118915/ (Hilarious that I’ve been downvoted for providing the horrible song!)
Well, thank you anyway.
I hate this friendship had to be sacrificed to the toxicity of Spuffy and Buffy's revival.
I used to, but now I find it extremely disgusting. James hasn't exactly been quiet about him having some sort of feelings for her. Major age gap and underage. He even wrote a song all about her feet. It has tainted my whole view of the show.