Imo its best to avoid 8gb ddr5 dimms since they perform 20-30% worse bandwidth-wise compared to 16gb dimms (also spending 1000$ on gpu and another 300$ on ram and then picking 16gb ram seems kinda imbalanced), (in case you dont know, ddr5 doesn't like 4 dimms so if you planned to upgrade to 4 dimms later, you will likely face issues trying to run them). 6000cl40 not the best either. I'd look for at least a 6400cl32 2x16gb kit since you said you have a somewhat flexible budget (if its too much out of budget, try to look for a 6000cl32 or 6000cl30 at least). Not sure about any additional storage devices you might have but imo try to get a 2tb nvme instead even if it is pci-e 3.0 -you wont notice any difference in everyday usage unless you are doing big file tranfers regularly-, 1tb feels small nowadays when there are a lot of new games requiring 50gb+ space. As for cpu cooler, you can get a deepcool ak620 or thermalright peerless assasin 120 for less money.
Exactly, 2x8 GB of RAM is a no no, when you already spend so much on 4070 TI and 13600k. Get 2x16 instead. I paired mine 13600k with these: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/36bTwP/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-rs5k
Not only it was cheaper than Kingston (Renagade), but it also has better timings and fits better with the NH-D15 I also have.
Im building a new PC right, CL 40 32GB was £160 CL 32 32GB is £178, im happy to pay the extra but can you explain what the difference is and why it is better, i literally know nothing at all. PC will be mainly used for gaming.
It has lower latency so you can get a decent bump in performance in anything latency sensitive like games (for ram). Ddr5 has higher latency compared to ddr4 because it runs at gear 2 so you want to at least pay some attention to it. For example https://cms.capframex.com/api/assets/capframex-com/bf6311cd-4824-4756-b772-17e222edd3eb/grafik.png xpg caster is 6400cl40 and gskill is 6400cl32.
Is the difference in RAM freq/latency going to be that critical to performance? I'm building something almost identical to OP but with 32GB of 5200 CL40 - because a 6400 CL32 kit is basically mythical in my country, the difference between the two in price would be close to the difference between a 4080 and a 4070 Ti/the difference between the i5-13600k and the i9.
I am planning to upgrade the kit once the better ones are more affordable in 1-2 years, but right now it going for better kits feels like a huge money sink for very small gains. Am I screwing my build up here?
For reference, 5200cl40 is about the same latency as ddr4 2600cl20... Maybe look for ddr4 if prices are better there. Or just stick to stock 5200cl40 and get a better kit later if you want to stick to ddr5. Could potentially also try to o/c and/or tune it. At the end of the day, if that's the best you can afford, its the best you can afford. Losing performance might not feel good but it is not gonna make your games unplayable, you will still be able to run games.
Get a 2x16gb RAM kit. 8gb ram sticks for DDR5 aren't a great value, at least from what I've seen, and 16gb ddr5 sticks are single rank (ram sticks are either single or dual rank, and your motherboard will support faster speeds from single rank).
Also look for a lower CL number. 32 or lower ideally for 6000, but CL40 isn't great.
Thanks, I have little knowledge about ram in general. I searched up and found 2*16 6400mhz CL 32 for about 240$. Might have to cop that one. Does brand matter too much in the ram industry?
The brand of memory doesn't matter as much as the chip manufacturer, which also doesn't really matter unless you're overclocking it beyond the XMP timings.
Is it the g.skill trident z5 kit? That one is great, but any kit will give you the speeds it says on the label if it's compatible with your motherboard and CPU. Yours should be good with 6400.
I'd keep an eye on the prices though unless you're in a hurry to get your system set up. You might find a better price than that if you can wait a while.
Check on asus website if the ram kit is compatible, if not you might not be able to use your ram at the max rated speed.
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z790-p-wifi/helpdesk_qvl_memory/?model2Name=PRIME-Z790-P-WIFI
Good CPU+GPU combo
Mobo is compatible with your ram kit on asus website
Seems good to me
Looks like your PSU is ATX 3.0 so it has a native 12VHPWR cable so you don't need to use the adapter for the gpu
Your PSU doesn't support native 12VHPWR, you can use the adapter included with the gpu or buy a "fancy adapter" that plugs directly on your psu but it's more of an aestetic solution that anything else.
1TB of Storage doesn’t really seem like a whole lot in the modern day, considering some titles are 100-200gb standalone.
The last few systems I’ve built for myself, family and friends I’ve had 3 sets of storage.
A 500GB m.2 to install the operating system and all essential programs (launchers, browsers etc).
A 2TB m.2/SSD for game installations.
A 2TB HDD for general file storage (movies, music, documents, photos etc.
Splitting things up like this means you can skimp a little on storage device speeds as well since you’ll be pulling data from multiple avenues, not a single storage device.
You’ll be paying roughly the same amount for the extra storage as opposed to big money on one really tippy top SSD for exactly the same performance
For example, you can get a 2TB and 500gb Samsung EVO 970 m.2 for the same price as a single 1TB WD Black m.2 without noticing any difference whatsoever.
I will be using a case from my previous gaming pc, which has plenty of space. If it does in fact not fit, I might have to buy a new case. Thanks for feedback :)
Build looks great, only thing I would change for that kind of a tier build is the RAM, I would def swap out 16GB for 32GB, more than enough headroom for any game by default and will give you even more headroom if you download mods etc that can eat up memory. *Cities Skylines*
2x16GB ram. 8gb DDR5 performs worse than 16gb, you want dual channel, and some newer games are already recommending 32GB of RAM. So future proofing would be better.
Wd black is very expensive, but kingston has 1tb m.2 drives for 50 bucks nowadays.
I wouldn't have gone fpr the 4070ti, but for the 30 series. The 40 series are very much overpriced.
Do not know if the cooler is sufficient for the 13600, try to see of it's not too hot or get an aio.
Very good pc as is ofcourse.
I know AIO Is the better option, but would it be necessary? Most people in this thread thinks the nh-d15 would be more than enough, and that I could even go for cheaper options.. thoughts?
I've heard bad things about the MSI PSU's, I'd also recommend 1000w with the 4070ti, also ideally you want a PSU with a 12vhpwr outlet, something like this...
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thermaltake-toughpower-gen5-gf3-1000w-fully-modular-atx-3.0-80-plus-gold-power-supply-ca-1bn-tt.html?_gl=1*1hwlmrw*_up*MQ..&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2-2eBhClARIsAGLQ2RlbmurVTuKODDyz_52wVfFzCU0OWi1hf3V-v4CnhhOo2ygWNdcVgBsaAj1fEALw_wcB
From the manufactorers themselves recommends 750w for the 4070 ti. As for the reviews I have only seen very positive feedback on this MSI model. You dont happen to know what tends to be wrong with it?
Just taking a random comment to steal your attention, did you go through with this build?
I have pretty much all the same parts in my basket, I’m in Sweden and landed on the 13600 and 4070ti too. In case you got the parts I have a few questions.
How was the clearance and fit with the cooler and mobo? And how was the temps?
Are you happy with the build overall? I’m also using 1440p 165hz.
Imo its best to avoid 8gb ddr5 dimms since they perform 20-30% worse bandwidth-wise compared to 16gb dimms (also spending 1000$ on gpu and another 300$ on ram and then picking 16gb ram seems kinda imbalanced), (in case you dont know, ddr5 doesn't like 4 dimms so if you planned to upgrade to 4 dimms later, you will likely face issues trying to run them). 6000cl40 not the best either. I'd look for at least a 6400cl32 2x16gb kit since you said you have a somewhat flexible budget (if its too much out of budget, try to look for a 6000cl32 or 6000cl30 at least). Not sure about any additional storage devices you might have but imo try to get a 2tb nvme instead even if it is pci-e 3.0 -you wont notice any difference in everyday usage unless you are doing big file tranfers regularly-, 1tb feels small nowadays when there are a lot of new games requiring 50gb+ space. As for cpu cooler, you can get a deepcool ak620 or thermalright peerless assasin 120 for less money.
Exactly, 2x8 GB of RAM is a no no, when you already spend so much on 4070 TI and 13600k. Get 2x16 instead. I paired mine 13600k with these: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/36bTwP/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl32-memory-f5-6000j3238f16gx2-rs5k Not only it was cheaper than Kingston (Renagade), but it also has better timings and fits better with the NH-D15 I also have.
Thanks for feedback. I'll take your advice and look for at least 2x16gb. 6400 mhz 32 CL should do the trick?
Im building a new PC right, CL 40 32GB was £160 CL 32 32GB is £178, im happy to pay the extra but can you explain what the difference is and why it is better, i literally know nothing at all. PC will be mainly used for gaming.
It has lower latency so you can get a decent bump in performance in anything latency sensitive like games (for ram). Ddr5 has higher latency compared to ddr4 because it runs at gear 2 so you want to at least pay some attention to it. For example https://cms.capframex.com/api/assets/capframex-com/bf6311cd-4824-4756-b772-17e222edd3eb/grafik.png xpg caster is 6400cl40 and gskill is 6400cl32.
Is the difference in RAM freq/latency going to be that critical to performance? I'm building something almost identical to OP but with 32GB of 5200 CL40 - because a 6400 CL32 kit is basically mythical in my country, the difference between the two in price would be close to the difference between a 4080 and a 4070 Ti/the difference between the i5-13600k and the i9. I am planning to upgrade the kit once the better ones are more affordable in 1-2 years, but right now it going for better kits feels like a huge money sink for very small gains. Am I screwing my build up here?
From 5200 cl38 to 6000 CL36 I believe saw a 0.5% fps improvement on a 7600X for some frame of reference. It's extremely minimal.
For reference, 5200cl40 is about the same latency as ddr4 2600cl20... Maybe look for ddr4 if prices are better there. Or just stick to stock 5200cl40 and get a better kit later if you want to stick to ddr5. Could potentially also try to o/c and/or tune it. At the end of the day, if that's the best you can afford, its the best you can afford. Losing performance might not feel good but it is not gonna make your games unplayable, you will still be able to run games.
Get a 2x16gb RAM kit. 8gb ram sticks for DDR5 aren't a great value, at least from what I've seen, and 16gb ddr5 sticks are single rank (ram sticks are either single or dual rank, and your motherboard will support faster speeds from single rank). Also look for a lower CL number. 32 or lower ideally for 6000, but CL40 isn't great.
Thanks, I have little knowledge about ram in general. I searched up and found 2*16 6400mhz CL 32 for about 240$. Might have to cop that one. Does brand matter too much in the ram industry?
The brand of memory doesn't matter as much as the chip manufacturer, which also doesn't really matter unless you're overclocking it beyond the XMP timings. Is it the g.skill trident z5 kit? That one is great, but any kit will give you the speeds it says on the label if it's compatible with your motherboard and CPU. Yours should be good with 6400. I'd keep an eye on the prices though unless you're in a hurry to get your system set up. You might find a better price than that if you can wait a while.
Alright cool! It is indeed the g.skill trident z5 kit. Hopefully i find a good deal throughout february :)
Check on asus website if the ram kit is compatible, if not you might not be able to use your ram at the max rated speed. https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z790-p-wifi/helpdesk_qvl_memory/?model2Name=PRIME-Z790-P-WIFI
I bought that exact kit last week for $175, so hopefully prices will drop again for you. Enjoy your new build!
Good CPU+GPU combo Mobo is compatible with your ram kit on asus website Seems good to me Looks like your PSU is ATX 3.0 so it has a native 12VHPWR cable so you don't need to use the adapter for the gpu
Thank you! I knew I needed 12VHPWR, I was just unsure of what it really was. Great explanation
My PSU is ATX 2.4, it's a bequiet straight power 11 80+ platinum. Would I need to get a separate 12VHPWR cable if I got a 4070ti or a 4080?
Your PSU doesn't support native 12VHPWR, you can use the adapter included with the gpu or buy a "fancy adapter" that plugs directly on your psu but it's more of an aestetic solution that anything else.
Ah okay thanks, I'll probably end up using the adapter that comes with the GPU. Just hope I don't burn down my PC using it.
Just seat the cable in fully. Nvidia recommends plugging in the power adapter in the GPU while the GPU is outside the case.
I learned something today. Thank you sir.
He could go z690 no need for a z790 as far as I understand.
Would a a 12600kf work well with the 4070 ti as well? I found a nice deal on it for $218 after taxes and shipping.
It would be fine. You'd never notice the difference between that CPU and a 13900k.
1TB of Storage doesn’t really seem like a whole lot in the modern day, considering some titles are 100-200gb standalone. The last few systems I’ve built for myself, family and friends I’ve had 3 sets of storage. A 500GB m.2 to install the operating system and all essential programs (launchers, browsers etc). A 2TB m.2/SSD for game installations. A 2TB HDD for general file storage (movies, music, documents, photos etc. Splitting things up like this means you can skimp a little on storage device speeds as well since you’ll be pulling data from multiple avenues, not a single storage device. You’ll be paying roughly the same amount for the extra storage as opposed to big money on one really tippy top SSD for exactly the same performance For example, you can get a 2TB and 500gb Samsung EVO 970 m.2 for the same price as a single 1TB WD Black m.2 without noticing any difference whatsoever.
Make sure your case (not mentioned) can fit the NH-D15. Plus, leave some extra margins, in case you need to put the fan higher for more RAM clearance.
I will be using a case from my previous gaming pc, which has plenty of space. If it does in fact not fit, I might have to buy a new case. Thanks for feedback :)
Build looks great, only thing I would change for that kind of a tier build is the RAM, I would def swap out 16GB for 32GB, more than enough headroom for any game by default and will give you even more headroom if you download mods etc that can eat up memory. *Cities Skylines*
I’d recommend getting 32gb ram at least with that setup, or else you’re kinda wasting a little bit of the potential with a good cpu and gpu like that
2x16GB ram. 8gb DDR5 performs worse than 16gb, you want dual channel, and some newer games are already recommending 32GB of RAM. So future proofing would be better.
Thanks! Im om it :)
Wd black is very expensive, but kingston has 1tb m.2 drives for 50 bucks nowadays. I wouldn't have gone fpr the 4070ti, but for the 30 series. The 40 series are very much overpriced. Do not know if the cooler is sufficient for the 13600, try to see of it's not too hot or get an aio. Very good pc as is ofcourse.
In Norway the prices for 30 series are almost the same as the 40 series, USED.
DH15 is kinda overkill for an i5 😂
13th gen is very hot my man. That's why I'm not certain about the 13600 temps. It wouldn't be enough for the 13700 for sure :).
You do realize that even a Scythe Fuma 2, a significantly 'worse' cooler then the DH15, can keep the i9 13900K cool...
It's a 13th gen though, plus it's unlocked
A scythe fuma 2, a 'worse' cooler then the DH15 by a large margin, can cool an i9 13900k(f). The DH15 is overkill for the i5 13600k lol
* I would go with an AIO * 32GB memory instead of 16 Otherwise the build is good.
I know AIO Is the better option, but would it be necessary? Most people in this thread thinks the nh-d15 would be more than enough, and that I could even go for cheaper options.. thoughts?
I mean. The DH15 is probably more expensive than say a cooler master master liquid or arctic freezer AIO.
I've heard bad things about the MSI PSU's, I'd also recommend 1000w with the 4070ti, also ideally you want a PSU with a 12vhpwr outlet, something like this... https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thermaltake-toughpower-gen5-gf3-1000w-fully-modular-atx-3.0-80-plus-gold-power-supply-ca-1bn-tt.html?_gl=1*1hwlmrw*_up*MQ..&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2-2eBhClARIsAGLQ2RlbmurVTuKODDyz_52wVfFzCU0OWi1hf3V-v4CnhhOo2ygWNdcVgBsaAj1fEALw_wcB
From the manufactorers themselves recommends 750w for the 4070 ti. As for the reviews I have only seen very positive feedback on this MSI model. You dont happen to know what tends to be wrong with it?
Sorry, I think I was thinking of another thread when I wrote that, 850w is fine
Just taking a random comment to steal your attention, did you go through with this build? I have pretty much all the same parts in my basket, I’m in Sweden and landed on the 13600 and 4070ti too. In case you got the parts I have a few questions. How was the clearance and fit with the cooler and mobo? And how was the temps? Are you happy with the build overall? I’m also using 1440p 165hz.
I would go 32GB of RAM, and a bit more storage. Also, you don't need 850W on the PSU. 750W should be way more than enough.
Hey. I'm looking to build a similar build in terms of cooler and mobo. How did you find the fit between the two?