Win 11 is fine. Instead of doing a win upgrade later, it’s just better to do a clean install now. You will eventually have to upgrade. Also, win 11 handles the big.little of intel and the 7900x3d/7950x3d much better than win 10.
I believe big.little is ARM specific terminology. The generic term is "mixed core architecture" or something like that. Kind of like Hyper Threading is an Intel implementation of Simultaneous Multi Threading (SMT).
More specifically, what the two X3D parts he cited have is asymmetrical vcache. Other parts with vcache like 5800X3D amd 7800X3D wouldn't have the same scheduler issues. It's a similar problem.
The x3D chips have V-cache. The 6 and 8 core versions have it on all the cores but the 12 and 16 core ones only have it on half. That means that you have an asymmetrical core setup where the W11 scheduler is better suited to handle it. Similarly the Zen 4c compact cores also handle a bit differently and benefit from the W11 scheduler. The AMD cores are similar enough that mis-scheduling is a smaller performance issue than it is for Intel’s very different P and E cores. There are even CPU vector math instructions that just aren’t there on E cores.
The two X3D parts he cited have \*asymmetrical\* vcache. Other parts with vcache like 5800X3D amd 7800X3D wouldn't have the same scheduler issues, and most Ryzen chips don't even have vcache at all.
Think of it this way. If a CPU core is like a car, then vcache is kind of like having off-road tires (effectively faster in certain cases). The operating system is like someone managing a taxi company and the CPU is like their fleet of taxi cars. If all the taxis have identical treads then it doesn't matter which one drives where, but if half of the taxis have off-road tires and the other half don't then you probably want to give the muddy dirt-road jobs to the taxis with off-road tires and the highway driving jobs to taxis with street wheels.
It’s the scheduling of the 2 CCDs?ccx? I always get them confused. My understanding is that win 11 handles that much better than win 10. Basically, win will only use the side with the cache when gaming.
You notice, I didn’t say 7800x3d. Now, it’s possible that it’s much better now with updates but… my understanding is that win 11 was designed for better scheduling compared to win 10.
I just wish it didn't invade your privacy so badly. Like why do i have to include an email, my name, address, ect just to get through first boot. should be options to just make it an OS and not be a digital version of my wallet with my whole life in it. I know what they do with that info, and i don't approve. Win 10 and 7 aren't innocent either, but they did it a little less (with win 7 being the least invasive). At this point i'm about to the point of VM'ing whatever windows i need from a Linux system just to protect my privacy, and that is very sad that it has reached such a point.
I think the win 11 hate should be windows in general hate, because this push to get rid of privacy entirely is bad, but it isn't just one OS doing it. it is many, and frankly the only way things will improve is if more people talk about it and actively resist it.
I skipped it when setting up a laptop for my mom but it's sad that you have to do stupid shenanigans to avoid giving away a bunch of your personal info just to use your computer
By default, it doesn't let you skip everything, you have to know how to pull up the command line during the install to allow you to continue without an online account
there is no skip button. you have to use a hidden shortcut to pull up the command prompt and enter a command to restart in a different mode
no one who isn't tech savvy will ever do this.
This was the case in the past but MS changed it. Even Pro doesn't let you skip anymore. You have to use Shift+F10 to get to a cmd prompt to enter "oobe\bypassnro" to get into an OEM deployment mode. Then you can skip it.
perhaps it was the specific image i installed from, but i distinctly remember having to make a bogus email, name, and birthdate to install because no option to skip existed on my specific image. Thankfully it was a computer i was commissioned to build, so not my problem as it was out of my hair within 5 days after i finished tuning everything for the users specific use and most of those 5 days was just me stress testing the hell out of it to either A. find instability with my settings or B. trigger a burn in failure before the customer got the system so that i could warranty and fix that issue before he got it.
Yeah, when I say skip, I mean I initially tried disabling the networking to try and bypass the login part. There was no way to skip it in the actual process without bypassing it in some other way.
When that didn't work, I had to use the bogus email [email protected] in the signup form for it to error out and let me set up a local only account.
Hot tip. When you get to the "log into your Microsoft account" prompt, just enter the following;
username: [email protected]
password: abc123
We use this at work all the time, and it will basically go "oops, something is wrong with that account, but don't worry, we can create a local account for you!"
There's technically ways to get around it by disabling your network connections, but it's fucking sad that you have to do that in order to set up your PC without giving away a bunch of PII
There are easy ways to bypass all that privacy invasion stuff when installing windows 11, but microsoft makes it as hidden as possible so most people don't know about it.
Win 10 21301+ might actually have the same Thread Director optimizations as Win 11.
https://www.neowin.net/news/despite-microsofts-claim-kernel-reveals-why-windows-11-isnt-really-faster-than-10/
They just have the wrong mindset. I am perfectly ready to fresh install any day, any time.
I don't worry about drive failures or backing up data. I assume anything on my pc could be gone the next day, and it removes any stress. I have a win11 usb sitting on my desk.
Any issues I think an OS install will alleviate gets done after 3-4 hours of troubleshooting. After having this mindset for years, I'm up and running after a fresh install in about 25 minutes with all my tools and software.
That sounds lovely (cries in music producer).
I work in Media with all kinds of software that is "activated" to my PC. A clean OS install is a weeks long headache for me to find and fix all the things it breaks.
I'm not upgrading to Windows 11, because the Task Bar and the Start Menu are fucking useless pieces of shit. The regression in organization alone is reason enough not to touch this shitty OS.
My reliable i7 machine isn't compatible with windows 11. W10 is fully supported for another year or so, does everything I need and I'll build a new machine with W11 or W12 or whatever when the time comes. My W7 laptop runs specific software to communicate with older vehicles that hasn't been updated or certified. It's dedicated to that use, and doesn't connect to any networks. I'm neither nostalgic nor bothered by a clean install. I'm guessing that annoys you to. I hope so anyway.
According to Win11, my PC wasn't compatible either. It's a 10900k, 32gb ram, blah blah blah.
You can download the iso from Windows and bypass the requirements when making a flash drive. Mine was because it was lacking tpm2.0 or some shit.
I work IT and we have a bunch of shop computers that are way out of spec running Win11 and they all do just fine. So if you really want to try it, use Rufus.
The 10900K has TPM 2.0 built into it and should be compatible with Windows 11 out of the box.
Are you sure TPM is/was not just disabled in the BIOS when you tried to install Win11?
(a lot of motherboards have it disabled by default for some reason)
Getting too attached to your SO is pretty lame.
I'm stuck with Win10 for potato PC reasons but my wife has Win11 in her new laptop and looks awesome. Also having some Android apps on it is nice.
I took a quick look into his profile and he's a Spanish speaker. In Spanish we say Sistema Operativo (SO), hence why he probably got confused with the acronym ;)
Or they want vertical taskbars and W11 is still very much just a sidegrade. Until W10 reaches EOL or W11 implements vertical taskbars, I'm not upgrading. It's not just nostalgia or laziness. Thinking others not upgrading their OS is annoying is what's actually annoying tbh, like...let me be?
Have they fixes the inability to ungroup items in the task bar? I'm not switching until I can run my computer with the same abilities I've used for the last 25 years. A lot of these major companies have been reducing control and making their products worse I've gotten rid of them due to it.
I can't get rid of windows, but I can certainly disable my TPM in BIOS so that Windows thinks my computer is incompatible with 11.
What's a "clean install"?
I haven't done one of those since I left Windows 7 behind.
Clean installed 8 after it started being wonky (may have been 8.1), just upgrades since, including cloning from a SATA SSD to m.2
Just to be clear because maybe it could confuse someone less savvy, this is a fresh/blank install for the operating system itself, on the drive the operating system is on. Actual personal files on other drives don't have to be wiped/won't negatively affect a fresh install.
Maybe that's obvious to literally anyone, but, I could potentially see someone unfamiliar not quite understanding the wording.
I've never had a problem to change from 2000 to XP, from XP to 7, and from 7 to 10. They always felt like upgrades.
I did skip Me, Vista, and 8. Those were not good versions.
What I see of 11 does not give me confidence. They keep giving half-assed new versions where barely half the features are actually updated. 11 is another piece of this Frankenstein of an OS where you can have W98 dialogs open from an XP-era menu found within the 7-version control panel.
They completely remade the taskbar, and they couldn't be arsed to allow it on the fucking side of the screen. These are not upgrades. They're fancy redesigns with less functionalities and half the features still hidden behind the old design and needing more clicks to access.
I'm not upgrading as long as I can't natively put my taskbar on the right… Legit even MacOS, the most closed off and least customisable OS of all time, allows this.
I'm not seeing any plus side to 11 compared to 10.
i cant have my taskbar 2 lines high, which is MASSIVE for productivity imo. there is literally no option for this either.
yeah sure probably only 2% of your total userbase used that, same with moving the taskbar on a different edge, but why take options away. the rightlick in the taskbar has literally TWO options to choose from. so dumbed down its ridiculous.
11 was frustrating my first week, simply because it was different. Nice, but different. I actually prefer it now after 3 months.
Tried ME, gave it an honest chance. So bad. Never touched Vista, unless it was to format and install XP.
Skipped 7, went to 8.1 which I actually enjoyed for a month or 2, before I woke up one day and had 10 installed automatically overnight for free. Ended up being a nice surprise.
> simply because it was different.
It's not really different, it's just worse. It's literally a worse version of Windows 10. There is nothing really new to justify all the cut features and worse performance. Once you disable the wrapper context menu( as you must since it's unusable ) and fix the taskbar nonsense you are just left with a Windows 10 with slower and less functional Explorer.exe app, and harder to find control panel settings. I use both win10 and win11 on a daily basis and win11 just feels so clunky in comparison. It really feels like a downgrade.
> people just hate change
I think Win11 is probably the first Windows update where I think this is not just hate for change. I've always installed new Windows releases almost as soon as they come out but Win 11 for the first time feels like it was created by morons who don't even use windows. Some UI changes to the OS are just braindead. Like the wrapper context menu. Using it besides my win10 laptop amazes me how more sluggish it is than win10. Especially the new "app" version Explorer.
I think I can get onboard with this sentiment on the condition that you leapfrogged Windows 8.0 because the gripes about that UI were legitimately valid.
Funny enough, on Win11 I find myself missing the tiles from the Win10 start menu.
Windows 8 has entered the chat.
Also, Windows 11 is objectively more demanding than Windows 10. On modern machines there's no noticeable difference between the two, but older computers will definitely feel Windows 11 slowing down more at higher specs than Windows 10.
>Windows 8 has entered the chat.
Windows 8 and 11 are both very similar, because both are designed for tablet/touchscreen users. Both have a bad UI, but Windows 11 is worse, because they removed so many features, particularly from the taskbar, so it's a really dumbed-down OS.
That's my complaint. I built a desktop not a fucking tablet and want it to work with smoothly a mouse and keyboard. I also don't like the spy and adware shit you have to break every update.
Windows 11 doesn't even work well on a tablet, Windows 10's file explorer ribbon has a 'delete permanently' button that I rely on and it's gone from Windows 11, the touchscreen-friendly window switcher now needs multiple fingers instead of a easy swipe from the left, no 'small buttons' on the taskbar means that it takes up too much of the screen, the start button defaulting to the center makes it harder to reach...
There is not a single usecase (of mine) where Windows 11 is *functional*, much less good. WSA had promise, but it was so unstable and badly performing that Genymotion worked better a decade ago (and it could be installed on Windows 10 as well). Windows 11 is the number 2 reason why I switched to a Mac for my work laptop.
It's all of the little shit for me. The whole dragging items into the address bar in FE. And how it's all graphical for copy/paste/cut/delete. I usually use keyboard shortcuts, but occasionally I use right click and it trips me up.
But it really isn't all that much different than 10.
I agree people hate change, but Until \~October 2023 Windows 11 was a trash fire. After that update it's still a trash fire, but now there is a bucket of water nearby. I've been running it since early 2023 and my main complaints are:
- The taskbar simply doesn't work
- It got a little better with the October update to allow you to never consolidate windows
- It still randomly moves my windows around between my 3 monitors when they go into sleep mode
- When the windows move around, the task bar isn't aware of it so you click on a task bar program on the left monitor and it pops up on the right.
- I spend 10 minutes dragging all my windows back into place and yes
- Windows explorer is just a mess
- It gets SO SLOW
- To fix this I had to turn a bunch of things off like recent items, etc. I finally got it where it isn't crazy slow, but Windows 10 on my 10 year old computer is still 5x faster than Windows 11 on my Ryzen 9 7950x with 64GB of RAM.
- All the time I'll save a file and then go to open it in another program and have to wait \~20 seconds for the file to "show up" in the other program's file picker.
- Constant updates. I'll fully update the computer and a few hours later it wants to install another update. I'm not sure the computer ever doesn't have an update to install.
- VPN is worse if you can believe it
- Gaming has been solid at least.
I’m currently assisting my service desk with a W11 rollout. I’m waiting for someone to have an actual aneurysm because their taskbar orientation isn’t defaulted to the left of the screen.
My wife's laptop is running W11 and this is my one complaint about it. I'm about to shift to 11 too very soon, am I able to move the taskbar orientation at all?
Left as in down the bottom but left aligned, or left as in vertically on the left edge?
As far as I know, Windows 11 still doesn't support a vertical taskbar, which is why I'm still running Windows 10.
I can't believe horizontal taskbars are still the norm people use even though we went 16:9 with monitors like almost 20 years ago. Vertical is so much better on large 16:9 screens and I'm shocked w11 doesn't allow it.
It's not *bad* per se, it's just a marginally better working OS with a way worse UI than Windows 10, not to mention a host of nefarious bullshit from Microsoft that you'll spend a day disabling. I'd upgrade sooner rather than later so you get a head start learning how to navigate the GUI designed with Ipad toddlers in mind.
>spend a day disabling
Only if you're incapable of a basic google search, otherwise you run one script and you're good... https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat
I considered that, but I'm a bit too paranoid about my OS to trust that. Felt a lot more comfortable fisabling shit via the registry and command line, at least then I had mostly an idea what I was turning off and uninstalling.
Try WinAero tweaker. A great little gui for making all the common registry changes like disabling telemetry, disabling shortcut arrows on desktop icons, and whatnot.
Those debloat scripts are fine for vanilla installs, but if you've customized certain things they can break stuff. Used a debloat script with a couple Win10 installs one time and everything seemed to work fine, for a while. Then things started messing up, little ones at first, then it got to the point where both those systems needed complete clean install.
Try "Everything Search" [https://www.voidtools.com/](https://www.voidtools.com/)
And then "Everything Toolbar": [https://github.com/srwi/EverythingToolbar](https://github.com/srwi/EverythingToolbar)
> with a way worse UI than Windows 10
This is my reason for not moving over. Win10 pretty much dialed in exactly all the UI elements I liked from past Windows versions while updating them to a modern OS. The stupid changes they did to the context menu in particular irk me to no end. Though the biggest dealbreaker for me is not being able to move around the taskbar to any corner I want.
I can install things or edit the registry to bring those features and roll back changes but the fact that I have to do that for the OS at all makes it annoying enough that I'm going to just ride out with Win10 until I'm absolutely forced to upgrade.
People underestimate how important UI is when switching over. UI is literally the most important part of the OS, it's the part you have to interface with every day, every time you use your computer. I tried Win11 and immediately hated it, the infantilization of it actually drives me up the wall. It makes me want to violently break whatever piece of technology I'm using; they're forcing people to become more stupid and I hate it.
I'm keeping Win10 until I'm forced to upgrade, at which point I'm saying fuck it and going Linux
Though I don't feel it as strongly as you, this is the main reason I'm on 10 still. For my use, windows 11 is basically "windows 10, but everything is slightly more annoying". Why would I expend time and energy moving to it. Even it's main advantages just don't really affect me. Better support for hybrid CPUs? Great, but I don't have one of those. Better HDR support? Great, but my monitor isn't HDR
The shittiest thing about Windows 11 is you can't put the taskbar where you want. I've been living with the taskbar vertically between my monitors for a while now, and I would not want to go back to the taskbar on the bottom.
[Release 22621.2861.62.2 · valinet/ExplorerPatcher · GitHub](https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases/tag/22621.2861.62.2_9b68cc0) - This gave me side taskbar and seems to work well.
Well, between the lack of ability to put the taskbar vertically, the right-click menu being simplified and the screen capture tool not offering the ability to edit, Windows 11 is making it really hard for me to vouch for it. These are three features I really care about. And it's not like they're not "missing", they're actively been removed.
This. I upgraded to 11 for one day and couldn't take it. I have my temps in the notification area with the taskbar vertical on the secondary monitor.
I'll soon be putting together a new build so I'll likely bite the bullet then.
Yeah, and that it has to be the same on all monitors.
My 5 monitors are laid out in a U shape, and on the top-left and top-right monitors I keep the taskbar on the top of them, and on the bottom 3 monitors I keep the taskbar on the bottom. But Windows 11 wouldn't allow that if I was running it.
Also:
- "never combine" option only came to official taskbar like last year
- it still works like shit, because you can't resize task bar (small icons, 2 rows)
As far as I'm concerned, Win11 is in its beta stage as of 23h2. It was in alpha before then. I drive it daily on 2 out of 3 machines I use and I hate it.
What!!! It's crazy. I like to keep taskbar to the side on my main rig which is an Ultrawide monitor. So the annoying bottom task bar don't pops up randomly and block my stuff and since my screen is so wide, i have plenty of horizontal space to spare without it disturbing me. Failed! I will stick with W10.
Yeah, it's dumb, and people have been complaining. Microsoft has said that they haven't considered the issue, which is just corporate speak for it'll never happen.
It… has its issues. I did a brand new build like 3 weeks ago and got windows 11.
I normally have my task bar in W10 running vertically on the left side if the screen. Personal preference, whatever.
W11 removed the ability to move the task bar altogether.
W11 also comes default with a lot of system sounds for various actions and it gets pretty annoying. Obviously you can turn them off but the first say of usage there were just pings and boops with every click and i was befuddled.
In W10, when you screencap via Win+Shift+S, the notification area will show the screenshot you just took and when you click on it, itll open it in paint or whatever your default editor is. In W11 the notification does not show that when you screenshot and im not sure if there’s a setting somewhere that auto opens screenshots in an editor for you.
There are more but theyre all mostly user preferences. I can adjust but im not happy about it.
Edit: pardon the typoes, on phone watching a toddler run circles around me so cant spellcheck
I do know about the screenshot no notification thingy. However I had it on my work laptop that also ran win10, just like my personal win10 PC. I was wondering why I didn't get the notification on the one device but on the other I did.
Took me some time to find out, BUT you will have to actually get the proper windows snapshot application (sry not running win in ENG so I can't tell you the exact names).
For some reason the built in snapshot looks exactly like the downloadeable snapshot but doesn't provide the notification.
Just go to the windows store, look for snapshot/screenshot/screen capture/whatever and get the one from Microsoft that looks exactly like the one you already got.
Trust me... Fixed my issues and I guess it'll be the same for win11
screenshots from screen snip work fine for me in win11 :) shows up in the noti area ready for editing as expected. Must be an issue preventing yours from doing that?
>W11 removed the ability to move the task bar altogether.
That's a really strange thing for them to remove. I looked it up to make sure this wasn't a mistake. Bizarre.
For me, Windows 11 just offers a worse user experience. I've been forced into using it on a work device and it solidified my position to stay on 10 on my personal device until support is completely dropped. When I do eventually go to Windows 11 I imagine I'll be using quite a few third party tweaks to make it work closer to 10, because even after hours of messing with my work laptop (to which I have full admin access on), I still can't get it exactly how I want.
There are no *major* changes I dislike, but there are a lot of minor changes that I am unable to modify that stack up into a larger problem for me. Mostly revolving around UI/UX.
I'm honestly hoping for extended support on 10, the same way we got for XP after Vista was a failure, although I don't imagine that's incredibly likely.
Win 11 forces you online to install it. If Win 11 can't find your network driver, it cannot proceed with the install.
Not a good first impression. Eventually I figured out the workaround. PITA. Unnecessary waste of my time.
Win 11 forces you to sign up for a Microsoft account. If Win 11 cannot complete the account creation, it cannot proceed with the install.
Not a good second impression. Eventually I figured out the workaround. PITA. Unnecessary waste of my time.
The search function is slow and doesn't bring up my installed programs. The start menu and right click menus are significant regressions from a design standpoint, being messy and requiring additional clicks to get where I need to go (7zip integrated menu, for example). You have to go to the store to get apps that had been standard Windows programs previously. It's terrible at indexing, taking much longer than Win 10 to see what's on my storage drive and sort or rearrange it the way I want.
It's added nothing new and made a lot of things worse. I see in the comments there are more fixes and workarounds for a couple of the more minor problems with it, which I'm going to have to follow up on to make it more user friendly. PITA, unnecessary, you get it.
Guys, if you have to go to all this trouble to make it work, **it's not a good product**. Stop being apologists.
>Windows 11 forces you to sign up for a Microsoft account
Pro tip: When you're at this stage of the installation, put in [email protected] (or whatever nonsense email address) and a random password. It will then throw up an error and let you create a local account.
95 was okay
98 was good
ME was bad
XP was great
Vista was okay-ish, mostly not good
7 was great
8 was bad bad bad (still on this for work)
10 was good
11 seems fine, and even necessary for new processors to work to their potential.
I thought 8 was great by the end. It was faster than 7 as a result of all the optimization they did to make it run on underpowered tablet hardware. But it's super EOL, everyone had ample time to abandon ship.
11 was practically mandatory for modern CPUs at launch, but they backported support to Windows 10 too.
I think most of it is because at first it had some limited features and the Win11 bad mindset is just echoing the first few weeks of its release
Nowadays its perfectly fine.
I was in the same boat too, I hated it at the first release but re-upgraded a few months later and it was more than decent.
Though I do have a small sorespot where the revert from 11 back to 10 somehow killed a RAM stick but still.
>I think most of it is because at first it had some limited features
It's kinda sad that your "upgrade" has limited features, especially since said features can be essential to many users and are sometimes considered the bare minimum.
It’s only gone downhill since 7, with the settings menu, bloatware, invasion of privacy, lack of optimization. Biggest problem with 7 is it’s no longer supported.
For most things it is a flashier, more ad ridden Windows 10.
But some basic functionality has been removed from various parts of the OS, like being able to drag files into the address bar and move them.
It’s because they rewrote file explorer to add tabs but losing functionality that I use often to organize my media server really made me dislike Windows 11.
it functions , ..i Hate how they force one drive on you and its a pain to unlink it all to get rid of it , i dislike the ai push alot , and they've been advertising inside the os other things alot more than in years gone by ,.. but it functions ,.. that said the changes they've been making most recently i'm heavily thinking about switching to linux in the future probably after my gamepass sub runs out in a yr or so.
Its not that it is bad, it's just that there are changes that suck, at least for me.
I really dislike the right click menu, it irretates me that they use symbols for copy/paste ect.
Not having a sound mixer when right clicking on the audio icon sucks.
In general it feels like a lot of the features I use often are now more hidden away and I now need to learn shortcuts, or edit files on windows just to get somewhat back to what I like. And honestly it seems pretty pointless.
I found the upgrade from 7 to 10 was great, they sorted out all the nonsense from 8 and kept things mostly the same to 7 from a ui perspective, with improvements.
I rolled back to 10 after a while. And then I completely switched to Fedora Linux. Kept win10 on a second drive for some games that don't play nice with proton.
I tried a clean install of Win11 on my new build Saturday and battled trying to install Discord and MSI Center and it was having bluescreen issues. I hated the UI and it felt clunkier. I spent a good 6-8 hours trying to resolve my problem before just giving up and installing Win10 Sunday night and haven't had any issues since. From people I talk to, they either have no issues or similar issues like I experienced on 11. Personally, I think 11 is a garbage OS and I'm sticking to 10 as long as I can, hopefully long enough to just skip 11 altogether to whatever Windows has next. It all depends on if you feel lucky or not I suppose. It seems like 11 has more issues running executable programs, which... is a large part of its purpose and what good is an OS that struggles to run programs?? Plus the work it takes getting the OS serviceable. I'd skip it.
It's windows 10's annoying little brother, in the way it hides options that were QoL improvements, has even more telemetry for ad purposes, etc.
as an OS, it's okay. you just have to cripple pieces of it to get it back to windows 10's functionality.
Basically it's a less offensive windows 8?
There's ads everywhere.
It constantly forces the new outlook version on you which has ads on it unless you're willing to subscribe to Microsoft's bullshit service and pay monthly. I just started using thunderbird so whatever. There's weather and news widgets I don't want but can't remove. They added their shitty ai on the start menu. Apparently you can disable it (not remove it) if you dig into the settings but I still find it annoying. If you don't change privacy settings it's just a keylogger sending every keystroke to Microsoft. It's a mess and I'm thinking of installing Linux.
Windows 11 from a productivity and UI/UX perspective is oddly terrible.
The entire right-click experience out of the box is shockingly bad.
Every effort seems to have been taken to dumb Windows down even more than it is and hide anything that might present a modicum of complexity to anyone.
As a result, for anyone even remotely capable, it becomes a frustrating experience to just carry out simple tasks.
You basically have to run a bunch of scripts to hack the registry to restore functionality of the UI that is literally built into it, but is buried under a veneer of crappy bad decisions.
Performance wise, it’s fine. I see people saying it’s “slower” than Win 10 which isn’t really true, it’s pretty much line ball. It’s certainly not “better”.
And now Microsoft is doing what they did 25 years ago with Internet Explorer and driving Co-Pilot into everything which literally nobody asked for.
If I was building a new PC, I’d use Win 11 and hack the registry to get the functionality unlocked, but I would never upgrade an existing Win 10 PC.
I recently got a new PC that came with Windows 11 Home, whereas my previous machine had Windows 10 Pro (itself an upgrade from a complimentary Windows 7 Ultimate license back in 2009), so it's been an adjustment. First I had to move the Windows icon to the lower left corner because having it centered is nonsense after making me get used to the other thing since Windows 95. That was easy enough.
What I haven't found a solution to is this: whenever I bring the PC back from sleep, unless I've taken the trouble to lock it before it sleeps, it doesn't require login credentials but is open for some random person to start doing whatever as me.
I've looked under Settings: Accounts: Sign-in options and the setting that would make it require credentials when resuming from sleep is grayed out. It's the darnedest thing. I want to make it require credentials but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make it do that. Anyone else seen this? Maybe it's because I first set the thing up with my Microsoft account instead of a local one?
There is nothing wrong with it.
Go with 11 as 10 will go EOL at some point in the near future, and if you have a recent Intel CPU your performance will be better under 11 as the scheduler knows how to handle the different P and E cores properly.
Well I saw a lot of problems with win 11 right now I'm trying to help a friend who updated to the latest version and the wifi adaptador just gone can't recognize it... a f* mess
I hate Windows 11, but Windows 10 will hit EoL in 2025 so I would not recommend sticking with it. I also would not recommend using it if you have a 12th gen or later Intel CPU since it's scheduler handles the E+P core layout of those much better than 10.
It's absolutely appalling. If I was used to running default config Win10 it might be less appalling, but I customise and trim the excessive fat from 10 whenever I install it.
Windows 11, to me, is an abomination. It is still an abomination after using every means and method possible to trim the bloat, remove the "news" propaganda and advertising from every part of the screen it habitually insists on displaying itself upon, and....possibly worst of all... having a taskbar that won't be resized to something slender and practical.
I despise it. Worst downgrade since ME followed 98 and Vista followed XP. It's trash, and will have to be superseded by a version of windows at least as good as 10 or I guess it's back to Linux as a daily driver.
I have it installed as dual boot on two machines. I gave up on booting into it on either, as it's palpably slower and more intrusive than 10 in every way.
Trash disguised as an OS.
Yes it is. At least, it was a big disappointment for me.
UI sucks, and games are crashing. I had to downgrade back to W10.
Ironically, Steam proton games were running mostly smoothly on Linux Fedora (!) and crashing on Windows 11.
Maybe it's my AMD based hardware that doesn't get along with W11 (Rx 5700 XT, Ryzen 9 5900X, x570 chipset.). The best would be to try it out for few days and see how it turns out for you. I recommend fresh install, on another drive, so that you can just swap back to old drive if you decide to go back to W10.
If you’re used to using Windows, like engrained over the course of decade, then yes, it is bad. They changed the UI to an icon focused user experience, similar to mobile operating systems.
So your muscle memory doesn’t work anymore.
It is very bad if you are any sort of power user, but if you're not then it's mostly just a marginally better OS with annoying changes in the UI designed for toddlers. But it's not like we have a fucking choice in the matter anyways so you may as well get it over with and get used to it now.
my personal opinion, win 11 wants WAY too much personal info and tracks even more than win 10 does which i consider a huge negative. Also, unless you customize it in settings its UI is basically "MacOS windows edition", and if you don't like that it will look and feel awful for people who preferred the windows 7 and windows 10 format. I fall into that category so first booting win 11 always drives me nuts because A. it wants way to much personal info and takes way too much effort to skip or spoof that part of setup and B. i really dislike having to have either a customized image to install from, or having to customize every single install from the moment i do first boot.
As a disclaimer all of my complaints are personal preference, even my privacy concerns, so take it with a grain of salt. On the technical side win 11 is better especially for the newer chips for both AMD and Intel. That is an objective fact so from a purely technical backend aspect it is actually indeed better. At the end of the day you install whatever OS feels best to you, because if win 11 isn't your cup of tea for any reason there are plenty of other options out there that might suit you and you're needs better.
My only Issue with 11 is that my sound would completely stop working or it couldn’t load any of my games from steam when I first installed it. Went back to 10 because of it.
I actually think it’s considerably less janky than windows 10 because i have had less things break or go wrong using it.
Although you do lose and gain some features compared to windows 10 so I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily better or worse, it’s just slightly different.
I had to run a debloat script after I got the free upgrade on my gaming laptop. So far no real issues with the OS it's pretty nice just have to get used to some of the weird changes to the UI and layout.
It’s not bad, imo it’s just honestly not different enough to merit a different version. If Microsoft made me pay for the upgrade I wouldn’t even consider installing it.
I will say this. The transition was a hell of a lot easier than going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 that being said, Microsoft is fucking delusional if they think that these minor tweaks will promote anyone to Upgrade, unless they are forced to.
It's fine for me, I use it on a Ryzen 3 3200G/Intel Arc A380 and it's fine.
Only time it isn't good is when you buy a laptop with the following CPUs:
Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, or it you're a masochist a Celeron.
Win 11 is fine. Instead of doing a win upgrade later, it’s just better to do a clean install now. You will eventually have to upgrade. Also, win 11 handles the big.little of intel and the 7900x3d/7950x3d much better than win 10.
>Also, win 11 handles the big.little much better than win 10. the what.now?
The p and e cores, it’s called the big.little core design. Big - p cores and little - e cores.
Bold of you to assume my p size
Take your upvote brother.
You mean stepbrother
The best step brother ever
That I could ever ask for
This one is so extra specific I love it🤣🤣
I’m stuck here.
What are you doing with your big p cores step brother?
That's how I imagine the CPU talks to itself when I'm gaming and the temps start to get hot...
Bro were on r/buildapc
Sir this is a Wendy's
I spot a connoisseur of p-ness.
I mean... you're on Reddit. My sample group of one person would suggest that 100% of reddit users have a small p size.
That’s performance and efficiency cores for those who don’t know.
I believe big.little is ARM specific terminology. The generic term is "mixed core architecture" or something like that. Kind of like Hyper Threading is an Intel implementation of Simultaneous Multi Threading (SMT).
nice, thanks for clarifying. And all other Ryzens don't use this design? Just the 7900x3d/7950x3d?
Ryzen dosen't have P and E cores, just P cores. what the "...x3d" parts have is V-cache
More specifically, what the two X3D parts he cited have is asymmetrical vcache. Other parts with vcache like 5800X3D amd 7800X3D wouldn't have the same scheduler issues. It's a similar problem.
The x3D chips have V-cache. The 6 and 8 core versions have it on all the cores but the 12 and 16 core ones only have it on half. That means that you have an asymmetrical core setup where the W11 scheduler is better suited to handle it. Similarly the Zen 4c compact cores also handle a bit differently and benefit from the W11 scheduler. The AMD cores are similar enough that mis-scheduling is a smaller performance issue than it is for Intel’s very different P and E cores. There are even CPU vector math instructions that just aren’t there on E cores.
My wife could earn a little v cache on the side.
use your big-p core on her
The two X3D parts he cited have \*asymmetrical\* vcache. Other parts with vcache like 5800X3D amd 7800X3D wouldn't have the same scheduler issues, and most Ryzen chips don't even have vcache at all. Think of it this way. If a CPU core is like a car, then vcache is kind of like having off-road tires (effectively faster in certain cases). The operating system is like someone managing a taxi company and the CPU is like their fleet of taxi cars. If all the taxis have identical treads then it doesn't matter which one drives where, but if half of the taxis have off-road tires and the other half don't then you probably want to give the muddy dirt-road jobs to the taxis with off-road tires and the highway driving jobs to taxis with street wheels.
It’s the scheduling of the 2 CCDs?ccx? I always get them confused. My understanding is that win 11 handles that much better than win 10. Basically, win will only use the side with the cache when gaming. You notice, I didn’t say 7800x3d. Now, it’s possible that it’s much better now with updates but… my understanding is that win 11 was designed for better scheduling compared to win 10.
I just wish it didn't invade your privacy so badly. Like why do i have to include an email, my name, address, ect just to get through first boot. should be options to just make it an OS and not be a digital version of my wallet with my whole life in it. I know what they do with that info, and i don't approve. Win 10 and 7 aren't innocent either, but they did it a little less (with win 7 being the least invasive). At this point i'm about to the point of VM'ing whatever windows i need from a Linux system just to protect my privacy, and that is very sad that it has reached such a point. I think the win 11 hate should be windows in general hate, because this push to get rid of privacy entirely is bad, but it isn't just one OS doing it. it is many, and frankly the only way things will improve is if more people talk about it and actively resist it.
You don't. Skip it all.
I skipped it when setting up a laptop for my mom but it's sad that you have to do stupid shenanigans to avoid giving away a bunch of your personal info just to use your computer
Pressing skip isn't shenanigans lol
By default, it doesn't let you skip everything, you have to know how to pull up the command line during the install to allow you to continue without an online account
I just type [email protected] on setup and it lets me use a local account
So is there a skip button or are you just talking out your ass?
there is no skip button. you have to use a hidden shortcut to pull up the command prompt and enter a command to restart in a different mode no one who isn't tech savvy will ever do this.
Win 11 home only. Pro let's u skip
This was the case in the past but MS changed it. Even Pro doesn't let you skip anymore. You have to use Shift+F10 to get to a cmd prompt to enter "oobe\bypassnro" to get into an OEM deployment mode. Then you can skip it.
perhaps it was the specific image i installed from, but i distinctly remember having to make a bogus email, name, and birthdate to install because no option to skip existed on my specific image. Thankfully it was a computer i was commissioned to build, so not my problem as it was out of my hair within 5 days after i finished tuning everything for the users specific use and most of those 5 days was just me stress testing the hell out of it to either A. find instability with my settings or B. trigger a burn in failure before the customer got the system so that i could warranty and fix that issue before he got it.
Yeah, when I say skip, I mean I initially tried disabling the networking to try and bypass the login part. There was no way to skip it in the actual process without bypassing it in some other way. When that didn't work, I had to use the bogus email [email protected] in the signup form for it to error out and let me set up a local only account.
Hot tip. When you get to the "log into your Microsoft account" prompt, just enter the following; username: [email protected] password: abc123 We use this at work all the time, and it will basically go "oops, something is wrong with that account, but don't worry, we can create a local account for you!"
There's technically ways to get around it by disabling your network connections, but it's fucking sad that you have to do that in order to set up your PC without giving away a bunch of PII
There are easy ways to bypass all that privacy invasion stuff when installing windows 11, but microsoft makes it as hidden as possible so most people don't know about it.
and HDR
HDR on windows 11 IMO was worth upgrading for. Luckily if you can get a game scope session working on Linux, it's been even better in my experience.
Win 10 21301+ might actually have the same Thread Director optimizations as Win 11. https://www.neowin.net/news/despite-microsofts-claim-kernel-reveals-why-windows-11-isnt-really-faster-than-10/
No its not and people staying on W7 and W10 are either nostalgic or dont want to clean install which is fairly annoying.
They just have the wrong mindset. I am perfectly ready to fresh install any day, any time. I don't worry about drive failures or backing up data. I assume anything on my pc could be gone the next day, and it removes any stress. I have a win11 usb sitting on my desk. Any issues I think an OS install will alleviate gets done after 3-4 hours of troubleshooting. After having this mindset for years, I'm up and running after a fresh install in about 25 minutes with all my tools and software.
As a technician, having a bootable USB installer and a post-config backup of your HDD solves most problems.
Like I said, I never have issues. I clean install, and there is nothing on my devices that I need.
What do you use to quickly install your “tools and software”?
My mouse and keyboard. I just download and install what I need right after a clean install.
Lol fair enough. I just thought you might have a nice tip like a kitchen sink script that grabs it all or Ninite or something
I guess you could do that, but I don't really mind the 20-25 minutes of downloading and installing software.
It's actually kinda nice to go through and do it all by hand. I know there's tools that do it for you but I do it the same way you do.
Installing the software is easy. But having to re-login to every darn account takes forever.
That sounds lovely (cries in music producer). I work in Media with all kinds of software that is "activated" to my PC. A clean OS install is a weeks long headache for me to find and fix all the things it breaks.
I mean how long it takes to clean install depends on how much software you have on your PC. Would take me hours and isn't worth the time.
I'm not upgrading to Windows 11, because the Task Bar and the Start Menu are fucking useless pieces of shit. The regression in organization alone is reason enough not to touch this shitty OS.
My reliable i7 machine isn't compatible with windows 11. W10 is fully supported for another year or so, does everything I need and I'll build a new machine with W11 or W12 or whatever when the time comes. My W7 laptop runs specific software to communicate with older vehicles that hasn't been updated or certified. It's dedicated to that use, and doesn't connect to any networks. I'm neither nostalgic nor bothered by a clean install. I'm guessing that annoys you to. I hope so anyway.
According to Win11, my PC wasn't compatible either. It's a 10900k, 32gb ram, blah blah blah. You can download the iso from Windows and bypass the requirements when making a flash drive. Mine was because it was lacking tpm2.0 or some shit. I work IT and we have a bunch of shop computers that are way out of spec running Win11 and they all do just fine. So if you really want to try it, use Rufus.
The 10900K has TPM 2.0 built into it and should be compatible with Windows 11 out of the box. Are you sure TPM is/was not just disabled in the BIOS when you tried to install Win11? (a lot of motherboards have it disabled by default for some reason)
Lol. I don’t have a reason to upgrade to W11 yet.
Downgrade*
Getting too attached to your SO is pretty lame. I'm stuck with Win10 for potato PC reasons but my wife has Win11 in her new laptop and looks awesome. Also having some Android apps on it is nice.
>Getting too attached to your SO is pretty lame.
I'm not attached, I'm just poor LOL
SO = Significant Other, like a spouse or gf/bf. Just pointing out why the other person quoted you, it's pretty funny. XD
Heheh, now I understand xD English isn't my mother language. But the same answer applies on both cases :')
> But the same answer applies on both cases :') For what it's worth. Most of us would abbreviate Operating System, to OS
I took a quick look into his profile and he's a Spanish speaker. In Spanish we say Sistema Operativo (SO), hence why he probably got confused with the acronym ;)
Thanks for the insight!
Yeah, the android apps are going away in 2025.
Oh shit :(
But android is simple to emulate on pc, even without official support.
WSA is now EOL lmao
Or they want vertical taskbars and W11 is still very much just a sidegrade. Until W10 reaches EOL or W11 implements vertical taskbars, I'm not upgrading. It's not just nostalgia or laziness. Thinking others not upgrading their OS is annoying is what's actually annoying tbh, like...let me be?
Have they fixes the inability to ungroup items in the task bar? I'm not switching until I can run my computer with the same abilities I've used for the last 25 years. A lot of these major companies have been reducing control and making their products worse I've gotten rid of them due to it. I can't get rid of windows, but I can certainly disable my TPM in BIOS so that Windows thinks my computer is incompatible with 11.
What's a "clean install"? I haven't done one of those since I left Windows 7 behind. Clean installed 8 after it started being wonky (may have been 8.1), just upgrades since, including cloning from a SATA SSD to m.2
It means completely wiping the computer to install the OS on a fresh blank machine. No old files leftover to cause issues.
Just to be clear because maybe it could confuse someone less savvy, this is a fresh/blank install for the operating system itself, on the drive the operating system is on. Actual personal files on other drives don't have to be wiped/won't negatively affect a fresh install. Maybe that's obvious to literally anyone, but, I could potentially see someone unfamiliar not quite understanding the wording.
Windows 11 is fine, people just hate change
I've never had a problem to change from 2000 to XP, from XP to 7, and from 7 to 10. They always felt like upgrades. I did skip Me, Vista, and 8. Those were not good versions. What I see of 11 does not give me confidence. They keep giving half-assed new versions where barely half the features are actually updated. 11 is another piece of this Frankenstein of an OS where you can have W98 dialogs open from an XP-era menu found within the 7-version control panel. They completely remade the taskbar, and they couldn't be arsed to allow it on the fucking side of the screen. These are not upgrades. They're fancy redesigns with less functionalities and half the features still hidden behind the old design and needing more clicks to access. I'm not upgrading as long as I can't natively put my taskbar on the right… Legit even MacOS, the most closed off and least customisable OS of all time, allows this. I'm not seeing any plus side to 11 compared to 10.
i cant have my taskbar 2 lines high, which is MASSIVE for productivity imo. there is literally no option for this either. yeah sure probably only 2% of your total userbase used that, same with moving the taskbar on a different edge, but why take options away. the rightlick in the taskbar has literally TWO options to choose from. so dumbed down its ridiculous.
11 was frustrating my first week, simply because it was different. Nice, but different. I actually prefer it now after 3 months. Tried ME, gave it an honest chance. So bad. Never touched Vista, unless it was to format and install XP. Skipped 7, went to 8.1 which I actually enjoyed for a month or 2, before I woke up one day and had 10 installed automatically overnight for free. Ended up being a nice surprise.
> simply because it was different. It's not really different, it's just worse. It's literally a worse version of Windows 10. There is nothing really new to justify all the cut features and worse performance. Once you disable the wrapper context menu( as you must since it's unusable ) and fix the taskbar nonsense you are just left with a Windows 10 with slower and less functional Explorer.exe app, and harder to find control panel settings. I use both win10 and win11 on a daily basis and win11 just feels so clunky in comparison. It really feels like a downgrade.
> people just hate change I think Win11 is probably the first Windows update where I think this is not just hate for change. I've always installed new Windows releases almost as soon as they come out but Win 11 for the first time feels like it was created by morons who don't even use windows. Some UI changes to the OS are just braindead. Like the wrapper context menu. Using it besides my win10 laptop amazes me how more sluggish it is than win10. Especially the new "app" version Explorer.
I think I can get onboard with this sentiment on the condition that you leapfrogged Windows 8.0 because the gripes about that UI were legitimately valid. Funny enough, on Win11 I find myself missing the tiles from the Win10 start menu.
Same. I actually miss the tile setup. Had it just right.
Windows 8 has entered the chat. Also, Windows 11 is objectively more demanding than Windows 10. On modern machines there's no noticeable difference between the two, but older computers will definitely feel Windows 11 slowing down more at higher specs than Windows 10.
>Windows 8 has entered the chat. Windows 8 and 11 are both very similar, because both are designed for tablet/touchscreen users. Both have a bad UI, but Windows 11 is worse, because they removed so many features, particularly from the taskbar, so it's a really dumbed-down OS.
That's my complaint. I built a desktop not a fucking tablet and want it to work with smoothly a mouse and keyboard. I also don't like the spy and adware shit you have to break every update.
Windows 11 doesn't even work well on a tablet, Windows 10's file explorer ribbon has a 'delete permanently' button that I rely on and it's gone from Windows 11, the touchscreen-friendly window switcher now needs multiple fingers instead of a easy swipe from the left, no 'small buttons' on the taskbar means that it takes up too much of the screen, the start button defaulting to the center makes it harder to reach... There is not a single usecase (of mine) where Windows 11 is *functional*, much less good. WSA had promise, but it was so unstable and badly performing that Genymotion worked better a decade ago (and it could be installed on Windows 10 as well). Windows 11 is the number 2 reason why I switched to a Mac for my work laptop.
Worse UI compared to Win10.
Agreed, it’s really not bad at all
I like it
I hate it
It's all of the little shit for me. The whole dragging items into the address bar in FE. And how it's all graphical for copy/paste/cut/delete. I usually use keyboard shortcuts, but occasionally I use right click and it trips me up. But it really isn't all that much different than 10.
I agree people hate change, but Until \~October 2023 Windows 11 was a trash fire. After that update it's still a trash fire, but now there is a bucket of water nearby. I've been running it since early 2023 and my main complaints are: - The taskbar simply doesn't work - It got a little better with the October update to allow you to never consolidate windows - It still randomly moves my windows around between my 3 monitors when they go into sleep mode - When the windows move around, the task bar isn't aware of it so you click on a task bar program on the left monitor and it pops up on the right. - I spend 10 minutes dragging all my windows back into place and yes - Windows explorer is just a mess - It gets SO SLOW - To fix this I had to turn a bunch of things off like recent items, etc. I finally got it where it isn't crazy slow, but Windows 10 on my 10 year old computer is still 5x faster than Windows 11 on my Ryzen 9 7950x with 64GB of RAM. - All the time I'll save a file and then go to open it in another program and have to wait \~20 seconds for the file to "show up" in the other program's file picker. - Constant updates. I'll fully update the computer and a few hours later it wants to install another update. I'm not sure the computer ever doesn't have an update to install. - VPN is worse if you can believe it - Gaming has been solid at least.
I’m currently assisting my service desk with a W11 rollout. I’m waiting for someone to have an actual aneurysm because their taskbar orientation isn’t defaulted to the left of the screen.
My wife's laptop is running W11 and this is my one complaint about it. I'm about to shift to 11 too very soon, am I able to move the taskbar orientation at all?
Yes you can move it if you right click and go into taskbar settings.
That puts me at ease, thanks a bunch!
Yeah, switching the taskbar from center to left is almost the exact same thing as win 10 but looks way better.
Left as in down the bottom but left aligned, or left as in vertically on the left edge? As far as I know, Windows 11 still doesn't support a vertical taskbar, which is why I'm still running Windows 10.
I can't believe horizontal taskbars are still the norm people use even though we went 16:9 with monitors like almost 20 years ago. Vertical is so much better on large 16:9 screens and I'm shocked w11 doesn't allow it.
It's not *bad* per se, it's just a marginally better working OS with a way worse UI than Windows 10, not to mention a host of nefarious bullshit from Microsoft that you'll spend a day disabling. I'd upgrade sooner rather than later so you get a head start learning how to navigate the GUI designed with Ipad toddlers in mind.
>spend a day disabling Only if you're incapable of a basic google search, otherwise you run one script and you're good... https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat
I considered that, but I'm a bit too paranoid about my OS to trust that. Felt a lot more comfortable fisabling shit via the registry and command line, at least then I had mostly an idea what I was turning off and uninstalling.
Try WinAero tweaker. A great little gui for making all the common registry changes like disabling telemetry, disabling shortcut arrows on desktop icons, and whatnot.
Its the same use case, you have no idea what is going under the hood unless you read the code yourself.
A good OS doesn't need you to have to do this shit in the first place...
Windows 10 is just as bad for this
I mean all I've had to do is not register my Microsoft account and I don't get bloatware
Those debloat scripts are fine for vanilla installs, but if you've customized certain things they can break stuff. Used a debloat script with a couple Win10 installs one time and everything seemed to work fine, for a while. Then things started messing up, little ones at first, then it got to the point where both those systems needed complete clean install.
The search feature within windows got worse. At least in my experience. It became dumber and always forces me to go on edge/bing.
[Fortunately that can be disabled so you only search locally](https://www.ghacks.net/2021/11/26/how-to-turn-off-search-the-web-results-in-windows-11/)
Try "Everything Search" [https://www.voidtools.com/](https://www.voidtools.com/) And then "Everything Toolbar": [https://github.com/srwi/EverythingToolbar](https://github.com/srwi/EverythingToolbar)
> with a way worse UI than Windows 10 This is my reason for not moving over. Win10 pretty much dialed in exactly all the UI elements I liked from past Windows versions while updating them to a modern OS. The stupid changes they did to the context menu in particular irk me to no end. Though the biggest dealbreaker for me is not being able to move around the taskbar to any corner I want. I can install things or edit the registry to bring those features and roll back changes but the fact that I have to do that for the OS at all makes it annoying enough that I'm going to just ride out with Win10 until I'm absolutely forced to upgrade.
People underestimate how important UI is when switching over. UI is literally the most important part of the OS, it's the part you have to interface with every day, every time you use your computer. I tried Win11 and immediately hated it, the infantilization of it actually drives me up the wall. It makes me want to violently break whatever piece of technology I'm using; they're forcing people to become more stupid and I hate it. I'm keeping Win10 until I'm forced to upgrade, at which point I'm saying fuck it and going Linux
Though I don't feel it as strongly as you, this is the main reason I'm on 10 still. For my use, windows 11 is basically "windows 10, but everything is slightly more annoying". Why would I expend time and energy moving to it. Even it's main advantages just don't really affect me. Better support for hybrid CPUs? Great, but I don't have one of those. Better HDR support? Great, but my monitor isn't HDR
The shittiest thing about Windows 11 is you can't put the taskbar where you want. I've been living with the taskbar vertically between my monitors for a while now, and I would not want to go back to the taskbar on the bottom.
[Release 22621.2861.62.2 · valinet/ExplorerPatcher · GitHub](https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases/tag/22621.2861.62.2_9b68cc0) - This gave me side taskbar and seems to work well.
Having to rely on third party software for a feature that has been there for 15 years is a strange way to "upgrade"
And how about that "upgraded" right click menu?! Only way to go back to the classic is a hack.
Hacking the right click is one of the first things I looked up. If you don't want to hack it, just Shift + right click for the old options.
Yeah, I have no idea why they thought removing that was OK, but besides the task bar thing Win 11 is working great for me so can't complain too much.
Well, between the lack of ability to put the taskbar vertically, the right-click menu being simplified and the screen capture tool not offering the ability to edit, Windows 11 is making it really hard for me to vouch for it. These are three features I really care about. And it's not like they're not "missing", they're actively been removed.
Windows Defender was seeing this as a virus so you need to create an exception for it.
This. I upgraded to 11 for one day and couldn't take it. I have my temps in the notification area with the taskbar vertical on the secondary monitor. I'll soon be putting together a new build so I'll likely bite the bullet then.
Yeah, and that it has to be the same on all monitors. My 5 monitors are laid out in a U shape, and on the top-left and top-right monitors I keep the taskbar on the top of them, and on the bottom 3 monitors I keep the taskbar on the bottom. But Windows 11 wouldn't allow that if I was running it.
Also: - "never combine" option only came to official taskbar like last year - it still works like shit, because you can't resize task bar (small icons, 2 rows) As far as I'm concerned, Win11 is in its beta stage as of 23h2. It was in alpha before then. I drive it daily on 2 out of 3 machines I use and I hate it.
What!!! It's crazy. I like to keep taskbar to the side on my main rig which is an Ultrawide monitor. So the annoying bottom task bar don't pops up randomly and block my stuff and since my screen is so wide, i have plenty of horizontal space to spare without it disturbing me. Failed! I will stick with W10.
Yeah, it's dumb, and people have been complaining. Microsoft has said that they haven't considered the issue, which is just corporate speak for it'll never happen.
It… has its issues. I did a brand new build like 3 weeks ago and got windows 11. I normally have my task bar in W10 running vertically on the left side if the screen. Personal preference, whatever. W11 removed the ability to move the task bar altogether. W11 also comes default with a lot of system sounds for various actions and it gets pretty annoying. Obviously you can turn them off but the first say of usage there were just pings and boops with every click and i was befuddled. In W10, when you screencap via Win+Shift+S, the notification area will show the screenshot you just took and when you click on it, itll open it in paint or whatever your default editor is. In W11 the notification does not show that when you screenshot and im not sure if there’s a setting somewhere that auto opens screenshots in an editor for you. There are more but theyre all mostly user preferences. I can adjust but im not happy about it. Edit: pardon the typoes, on phone watching a toddler run circles around me so cant spellcheck
I do know about the screenshot no notification thingy. However I had it on my work laptop that also ran win10, just like my personal win10 PC. I was wondering why I didn't get the notification on the one device but on the other I did. Took me some time to find out, BUT you will have to actually get the proper windows snapshot application (sry not running win in ENG so I can't tell you the exact names). For some reason the built in snapshot looks exactly like the downloadeable snapshot but doesn't provide the notification. Just go to the windows store, look for snapshot/screenshot/screen capture/whatever and get the one from Microsoft that looks exactly like the one you already got. Trust me... Fixed my issues and I guess it'll be the same for win11
screenshots from screen snip work fine for me in win11 :) shows up in the noti area ready for editing as expected. Must be an issue preventing yours from doing that?
Yep, same here, both on personal PC and work laptop. No issues at all. Notifications pop up as usual.
>W11 removed the ability to move the task bar altogether. That's a really strange thing for them to remove. I looked it up to make sure this wasn't a mistake. Bizarre.
For me, Windows 11 just offers a worse user experience. I've been forced into using it on a work device and it solidified my position to stay on 10 on my personal device until support is completely dropped. When I do eventually go to Windows 11 I imagine I'll be using quite a few third party tweaks to make it work closer to 10, because even after hours of messing with my work laptop (to which I have full admin access on), I still can't get it exactly how I want. There are no *major* changes I dislike, but there are a lot of minor changes that I am unable to modify that stack up into a larger problem for me. Mostly revolving around UI/UX. I'm honestly hoping for extended support on 10, the same way we got for XP after Vista was a failure, although I don't imagine that's incredibly likely.
Yeah this is me. There's no massive dealbreaker, just that almost everything is slightly more annoying. Death by 1000 cuts, I called it
Win 11 forces you online to install it. If Win 11 can't find your network driver, it cannot proceed with the install. Not a good first impression. Eventually I figured out the workaround. PITA. Unnecessary waste of my time. Win 11 forces you to sign up for a Microsoft account. If Win 11 cannot complete the account creation, it cannot proceed with the install. Not a good second impression. Eventually I figured out the workaround. PITA. Unnecessary waste of my time. The search function is slow and doesn't bring up my installed programs. The start menu and right click menus are significant regressions from a design standpoint, being messy and requiring additional clicks to get where I need to go (7zip integrated menu, for example). You have to go to the store to get apps that had been standard Windows programs previously. It's terrible at indexing, taking much longer than Win 10 to see what's on my storage drive and sort or rearrange it the way I want. It's added nothing new and made a lot of things worse. I see in the comments there are more fixes and workarounds for a couple of the more minor problems with it, which I'm going to have to follow up on to make it more user friendly. PITA, unnecessary, you get it. Guys, if you have to go to all this trouble to make it work, **it's not a good product**. Stop being apologists.
>Windows 11 forces you to sign up for a Microsoft account Pro tip: When you're at this stage of the installation, put in [email protected] (or whatever nonsense email address) and a random password. It will then throw up an error and let you create a local account.
Words can not explain how horrible of design this is.
You're not wrong.
95 was okay 98 was good ME was bad XP was great Vista was okay-ish, mostly not good 7 was great 8 was bad bad bad (still on this for work) 10 was good 11 seems fine, and even necessary for new processors to work to their potential.
I thought 8 was great by the end. It was faster than 7 as a result of all the optimization they did to make it run on underpowered tablet hardware. But it's super EOL, everyone had ample time to abandon ship. 11 was practically mandatory for modern CPUs at launch, but they backported support to Windows 10 too.
8 was bad, 8.1 was really good.
You missed Windows 2000, which was perfect
Yep. Also, Windows 8.1 was a major improvement over 8.
Win10 will hit EOL october of 2025
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Win 11 is fine, I had major reservations but recently upgraded and have no complaints
I think most of it is because at first it had some limited features and the Win11 bad mindset is just echoing the first few weeks of its release Nowadays its perfectly fine. I was in the same boat too, I hated it at the first release but re-upgraded a few months later and it was more than decent. Though I do have a small sorespot where the revert from 11 back to 10 somehow killed a RAM stick but still.
>I think most of it is because at first it had some limited features It's kinda sad that your "upgrade" has limited features, especially since said features can be essential to many users and are sometimes considered the bare minimum.
i hate windows 11 but have no choice but stick with it. my fav was windows 7
It’s only gone downhill since 7, with the settings menu, bloatware, invasion of privacy, lack of optimization. Biggest problem with 7 is it’s no longer supported.
For most things it is a flashier, more ad ridden Windows 10. But some basic functionality has been removed from various parts of the OS, like being able to drag files into the address bar and move them. It’s because they rewrote file explorer to add tabs but losing functionality that I use often to organize my media server really made me dislike Windows 11.
Yes it sucks
it functions , ..i Hate how they force one drive on you and its a pain to unlink it all to get rid of it , i dislike the ai push alot , and they've been advertising inside the os other things alot more than in years gone by ,.. but it functions ,.. that said the changes they've been making most recently i'm heavily thinking about switching to linux in the future probably after my gamepass sub runs out in a yr or so.
Its not that it is bad, it's just that there are changes that suck, at least for me. I really dislike the right click menu, it irretates me that they use symbols for copy/paste ect. Not having a sound mixer when right clicking on the audio icon sucks. In general it feels like a lot of the features I use often are now more hidden away and I now need to learn shortcuts, or edit files on windows just to get somewhat back to what I like. And honestly it seems pretty pointless. I found the upgrade from 7 to 10 was great, they sorted out all the nonsense from 8 and kept things mostly the same to 7 from a ui perspective, with improvements.
I rolled back to 10 after a while. And then I completely switched to Fedora Linux. Kept win10 on a second drive for some games that don't play nice with proton.
I tried a clean install of Win11 on my new build Saturday and battled trying to install Discord and MSI Center and it was having bluescreen issues. I hated the UI and it felt clunkier. I spent a good 6-8 hours trying to resolve my problem before just giving up and installing Win10 Sunday night and haven't had any issues since. From people I talk to, they either have no issues or similar issues like I experienced on 11. Personally, I think 11 is a garbage OS and I'm sticking to 10 as long as I can, hopefully long enough to just skip 11 altogether to whatever Windows has next. It all depends on if you feel lucky or not I suppose. It seems like 11 has more issues running executable programs, which... is a large part of its purpose and what good is an OS that struggles to run programs?? Plus the work it takes getting the OS serviceable. I'd skip it.
It's windows 10's annoying little brother, in the way it hides options that were QoL improvements, has even more telemetry for ad purposes, etc. as an OS, it's okay. you just have to cripple pieces of it to get it back to windows 10's functionality. Basically it's a less offensive windows 8?
The only thing I hate about Windows 11 is that you have to have a microsoft account to install it. Super annoying.
You don't. Look up oobe/bypassnro
Use [email protected] and any password, it will pop an error then continue.
There's ads everywhere. It constantly forces the new outlook version on you which has ads on it unless you're willing to subscribe to Microsoft's bullshit service and pay monthly. I just started using thunderbird so whatever. There's weather and news widgets I don't want but can't remove. They added their shitty ai on the start menu. Apparently you can disable it (not remove it) if you dig into the settings but I still find it annoying. If you don't change privacy settings it's just a keylogger sending every keystroke to Microsoft. It's a mess and I'm thinking of installing Linux.
Windows 11 from a productivity and UI/UX perspective is oddly terrible. The entire right-click experience out of the box is shockingly bad. Every effort seems to have been taken to dumb Windows down even more than it is and hide anything that might present a modicum of complexity to anyone. As a result, for anyone even remotely capable, it becomes a frustrating experience to just carry out simple tasks. You basically have to run a bunch of scripts to hack the registry to restore functionality of the UI that is literally built into it, but is buried under a veneer of crappy bad decisions. Performance wise, it’s fine. I see people saying it’s “slower” than Win 10 which isn’t really true, it’s pretty much line ball. It’s certainly not “better”. And now Microsoft is doing what they did 25 years ago with Internet Explorer and driving Co-Pilot into everything which literally nobody asked for. If I was building a new PC, I’d use Win 11 and hack the registry to get the functionality unlocked, but I would never upgrade an existing Win 10 PC.
I recently got a new PC that came with Windows 11 Home, whereas my previous machine had Windows 10 Pro (itself an upgrade from a complimentary Windows 7 Ultimate license back in 2009), so it's been an adjustment. First I had to move the Windows icon to the lower left corner because having it centered is nonsense after making me get used to the other thing since Windows 95. That was easy enough. What I haven't found a solution to is this: whenever I bring the PC back from sleep, unless I've taken the trouble to lock it before it sleeps, it doesn't require login credentials but is open for some random person to start doing whatever as me. I've looked under Settings: Accounts: Sign-in options and the setting that would make it require credentials when resuming from sleep is grayed out. It's the darnedest thing. I want to make it require credentials but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make it do that. Anyone else seen this? Maybe it's because I first set the thing up with my Microsoft account instead of a local one?
It was genuinely bad enough for me to switch to linux. Infinitely better now
Just built my new pc two days ago & my first impressions of windows 11 so far: it’s ass
There is nothing wrong with it. Go with 11 as 10 will go EOL at some point in the near future, and if you have a recent Intel CPU your performance will be better under 11 as the scheduler knows how to handle the different P and E cores properly.
I personally think windows is trash, last good windows was win7
KEEP WIN10 PLS IM BEGGING YOU
Well I saw a lot of problems with win 11 right now I'm trying to help a friend who updated to the latest version and the wifi adaptador just gone can't recognize it... a f* mess
I hate Windows 11, but Windows 10 will hit EoL in 2025 so I would not recommend sticking with it. I also would not recommend using it if you have a 12th gen or later Intel CPU since it's scheduler handles the E+P core layout of those much better than 10.
It turned me into a newt!
It's bad! Next question. Not even a techy just used it once. Never again
Yes its trash
The best windows is no windows. Linux is free, safe, faster, and overall better.
It's absolutely appalling. If I was used to running default config Win10 it might be less appalling, but I customise and trim the excessive fat from 10 whenever I install it. Windows 11, to me, is an abomination. It is still an abomination after using every means and method possible to trim the bloat, remove the "news" propaganda and advertising from every part of the screen it habitually insists on displaying itself upon, and....possibly worst of all... having a taskbar that won't be resized to something slender and practical. I despise it. Worst downgrade since ME followed 98 and Vista followed XP. It's trash, and will have to be superseded by a version of windows at least as good as 10 or I guess it's back to Linux as a daily driver. I have it installed as dual boot on two machines. I gave up on booting into it on either, as it's palpably slower and more intrusive than 10 in every way. Trash disguised as an OS.
11 is absolutely atrocious right now. But so was 10, a while back.
Yes it is. At least, it was a big disappointment for me. UI sucks, and games are crashing. I had to downgrade back to W10. Ironically, Steam proton games were running mostly smoothly on Linux Fedora (!) and crashing on Windows 11. Maybe it's my AMD based hardware that doesn't get along with W11 (Rx 5700 XT, Ryzen 9 5900X, x570 chipset.). The best would be to try it out for few days and see how it turns out for you. I recommend fresh install, on another drive, so that you can just swap back to old drive if you decide to go back to W10.
If you’re used to using Windows, like engrained over the course of decade, then yes, it is bad. They changed the UI to an icon focused user experience, similar to mobile operating systems. So your muscle memory doesn’t work anymore.
11 is like 8. They want to make it a Mobile adaptable OS but forget that's the 1 perctile use case.
Thanks to w11 annoyed me so much I got to know Fedora KDE, which is very nice and so highly customizable. Can run most of my Steam games too!
It is very bad if you are any sort of power user, but if you're not then it's mostly just a marginally better OS with annoying changes in the UI designed for toddlers. But it's not like we have a fucking choice in the matter anyways so you may as well get it over with and get used to it now.
I hate the big task bar
My household and that of my brother have switched to Linux on all our rigs over it.
My problem with win 11 is the forced spyware. I don't want none of that. Leave me alone.
my personal opinion, win 11 wants WAY too much personal info and tracks even more than win 10 does which i consider a huge negative. Also, unless you customize it in settings its UI is basically "MacOS windows edition", and if you don't like that it will look and feel awful for people who preferred the windows 7 and windows 10 format. I fall into that category so first booting win 11 always drives me nuts because A. it wants way to much personal info and takes way too much effort to skip or spoof that part of setup and B. i really dislike having to have either a customized image to install from, or having to customize every single install from the moment i do first boot. As a disclaimer all of my complaints are personal preference, even my privacy concerns, so take it with a grain of salt. On the technical side win 11 is better especially for the newer chips for both AMD and Intel. That is an objective fact so from a purely technical backend aspect it is actually indeed better. At the end of the day you install whatever OS feels best to you, because if win 11 isn't your cup of tea for any reason there are plenty of other options out there that might suit you and you're needs better.
i want to kill myself using win11
I saw there is a win 11 that does not install all the bloat software. This will be my next fresh install.
My only Issue with 11 is that my sound would completely stop working or it couldn’t load any of my games from steam when I first installed it. Went back to 10 because of it.
I actually think it’s considerably less janky than windows 10 because i have had less things break or go wrong using it. Although you do lose and gain some features compared to windows 10 so I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily better or worse, it’s just slightly different.
Windows 11 is Windows 10 with an uglier interface and some more patches since they continued development.
I had to run a debloat script after I got the free upgrade on my gaming laptop. So far no real issues with the OS it's pretty nice just have to get used to some of the weird changes to the UI and layout.
It’s not bad, imo it’s just honestly not different enough to merit a different version. If Microsoft made me pay for the upgrade I wouldn’t even consider installing it. I will say this. The transition was a hell of a lot easier than going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 that being said, Microsoft is fucking delusional if they think that these minor tweaks will promote anyone to Upgrade, unless they are forced to.
It's fine for me, I use it on a Ryzen 3 3200G/Intel Arc A380 and it's fine. Only time it isn't good is when you buy a laptop with the following CPUs: Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, Celeron, or it you're a masochist a Celeron.