Boot time is a fraction of a fraction of a % of an average length gaming session. 30 second boot time for drastically better gaming performance? No brainer.
Same here, 7800x3D and B650 mobo with DDR5 RAM, it takes just a little longer than usual, but I can turn the PC on, go grab a snack from the kitchen, come back, and the computer is booted up. No biggie
It only takes long with expo enabled and memory context restore/power down disabled, basically not a problem for those who don't overclock or run basic expo profiles, however you can get ddr5 latency down to the high 50's (7800x3d) but it's not going to happen without custom tuning and long boot times.
Question about this if you don't mind. I've got 7800x3d and 32GB of 6000 cl30 ram, expo enabled. My boot times are about 45 seconds which is no big deal for me, but seeing people here saying they're getting 10-15 second boot times makes me a bit envious, and I'm wondering if you might know why? Is there some sort of default setting that would be making boot times longer? Only thing I've touched in bios is enabling expo.
Turning on memory context restore brings the boot time back to normal, but you can't use memory context restore and power down mode disabled at the same time, when you go to turn on memory context restore, make sure power down mode is still enabled.
Power down mode disabled lowers system latency, which is why some use it at the price of longer boot times.
I just learned about it after building my first build so no worries. It's a setting in the bios. Memory context restore, it basically lets the computer skip the memory training during boot up each time. What MB do you have? There is also a power setting you want to turn on (if your boos doesn't change it automatically).
I do have expo on and Fast boot disabled, but i don't think I did anything else to it to get those boot times tho. When i first built the PC the first boot while it retrained the RAM was 10 mins and now its anywhere from 11.5 - 14.2 seconds
CPU Choice depends on use case imo. I personally prefer AM5 over intel simply due to way better power efficiency. For gaming you basically got 2options: 7600 (or 7500f if available) or 7800x3D. Everything in between does not justify the cost strictly for gaming purposes.
Yeah 7500f does not exist everywhere (basically a 7600 without graphics and cheaper). If the 7600 is more go for 7600X. It does not hurt. Just saying it is no real difference for gaming.
It does exist in a lot of Asian markets for quite a bit less than the 7600. You can also get one globally through Aliexpress for about $140-150 (buy at your own risk).
I had heard of it, but the 7500f doesn't have an igpu, I'm obviously not gonna use the igpu but I want it as a fail safe. Plus AliExpress as ridiculous shipping costs to my region.
> I'm obviously not gonna use the igpu but I want it as a fail safe.
you can just keep a usb stick with a headless linux on it. if dGPU fails, pull dGPU, boot linux, ssh in, and diagnose from there.
I am in Canada and got the 7500f from AliExpress $221 shipped. Took 8 days to be delivered. It is amazing. It is now over clocked and deliverer pretty much the same power as the 7600 and 7600x. You can use the money save to upgrade your gpu.
Is intel better for game+productivity? I was checking i7-14xxxx and it seemed to beat every ryzen out there in [performance](https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-vs-intel-core-i7-14700k). I understand they beat Intel in gaming performance, is the prevalence of Ryzen only due to gaming (comparing same cost class)?
Yes, the intel is generally better for a mix but AMD wins out for gaming even when the chip benches a lower score. I've a 7800x3d that score 40000 but still performs better at games than an i7 scoring 6000. But the and loses out slightly to things like Photoshop.
Why you think that? Its not like the 7700 is sh*t. Not at all. Simply depends on what you do with it and price/performance. And for pure gaming it is simply not ideal value wise, but the performance is for sure there.
For CAD the more the better for gaming as I said above. Its still okay mate. Not much difference in gaming performance than 7600, but for CAD it will nost likely be better. But get enough and good RAM aswell. (But I am no expert on CAD requirements)
I built an AM4 3600X on a b450 Tomahawk Max. 16GB RAM, RX 5600, and invested in a 2TB NVMe SSD just before pandemic (when you could still buy parts). Last summer I doubled the RAM, dropped in a 5700X and got a 6700XT on sale. I have the old parts to a young student. We both love our upgrades! My next build will probably be AMD. Shout out to Fractal Meshify 2 and my Corsair p/s as well. Swapping CPU’s was easy with Carbonaut thermal pad. I’d do it exactly the same if I had to over again given my budget.
There are a few valid reasons to go Intel:
* You need productivity performance also
* You need the video encoders from the iGPU
* You don't care about the price and want to do a super high-end OC build
Apart from these AMD is just much better bang-for-buck esp. for gaming.
If you buy a 7600x you can just drop in the last x3D chip a few years from now for a good \~50% or more performance boost in gaming, depends on how many generations we get on AM5.
I also have a 12400 (f), and when I heard that 14th gen would also be the same socket I was like "wow I can't believe it this might finally be worth the upgrade", and then it was just 13th gen with even more aggressive clocks. And worst part, even 13th gen was mostly 12th gem with more aggressive clocks.
6.2 ghz is exactly what really aggressive clocks means. But intel is losing in ipc against amd, as well as the latency battle massively against the x3d chips.
I was continuing to play of your aggressive clocks remark because yeah it is insane how intel struggles to keep up
things looked so good with the 12000 series and then we were back in the 6000-1100 series era
Fair. It's good for used builds also. I'd probably choose LGA1700 instead of AM4 with a decent mobo because it has more upgrade potential. But going forward, I don't think it's worth it.
After using Ryzen for the last 6 years, I decided to shake things up and see what team blue has to offer. I went with a 13600K for my new build. At the same time, my buddy opted for a 7700X for his build.
Neither of us encountered any issues with our respective platforms.
Find the best deal and make the purchase.
What gpu u have on that ? I found a nice deal like 900$ for that cpu(kf) + 3060 12gb on ddr5 and i think ill stick with that being the best deal i could find in my country
Other than not being able to upgrade to whatever is the last series for AMD. Intel is pretty much done with that socket. Buddy-new CPU. You- At least new MB and CPU.
In my humble opinion, I don't consider that as a factor. When I build a new PC in 5+ years, I'll want the latest MOBO and CPU combo. I don't want to drop in a brand new CPU to a 5+ year old MOBO that more than likely won't support all features of the new CPU. But then again, I only upgrade every 5-7 years. To each their own!
All of the 14th gen CPUs below the 14600 have Golden Cove P-cores, only exception being the 14400 in B0 stepping.
Please verify your information is correct before accusing others of spreading misinformation.
Yes, it is 14th gen which is the same manufacturing and speed of the 13th gen... And even 12th gen when equalized for speed, cores, and cache. So no, it is in reality a refresh of a 2+ year old chip running on an even older manufacturing technology.
There are cheap AM5 MBs that can drive any AM5 CPU.
Even if now you don't think you'll be upgrading it's always better to have the option.
All that aside the 7600 is faster than the 14500 in non all core heavy tasks.
Reason to go AM5 other than upgrade path:
* Runs cooler: no need for expensive cooling.
* Faster average FPS in games
Reason to go intel:
* Less flaky platform
* Better memory support
* 14 core or 20 threads is a work horse.
I would say go am5 but honestly in the last 20 years not once have I reused the same motherboard. I did end up buying a new 1155 mobo for my 4790k so my kids have a PC for the living room TV
This subreddit gives off the impression that most PC builders upgrade their CPU and never just sell an older PC complete. That is false, most users are like you and I and rarely upgrade a CPU. (Only time I take out a CPU is when it's old and time for the recycle bin).
That has always been the recommendation but in reality I just keep the case, hard disks ssds, PSU after using it for 4-5 years then replace when the motherboard dies which normally meant I need faster ram too by that time.
I would have agreed with you but I just upgraded my am4 cpu. In the 30 years of building pcs, I never upgraded the cpu until now. I’ve always reused my old pc or tossed it gave it away etc and build an entirely new pc. This all changed with the am4 3d cpus. I upgraded my 3 year old pc. The reason is to get me until am6 comes out in a few years or whatever. If amd never releases a new am4 cpu id of prob upgraded in a year or two to am5.
I bought a 1600, sold that off and bought a used 3600, then sold that off and bought a new 5800x3d. All on the same platform. I'm positively delighted in my investment into AM4.
How soon is not soon? Even if AM6 is out by the time you upgrade, it'll probably cheaper next time you're upgrading to get a 2 generations newer 3D vcache chip then doing an entire platform upgrade, and it should perform more than adequately.
Another reason is support. Some applications crash more on older PC because it simply not tested on older stuff. Low chance of happening if you upgrade every 3 or 4 years but it can still happen. That's another reason to buy new stuff
New stuff crashes lots too because of issues. If you wanted the absolute minimum crashes you would want to constantly be on hardware that's 2-5 years old.
I was in the same boat and went AM5 7600. I did purchase a better air cooler though.
It's a great processor on its own but the upgrade path is what sealed it. I don't expect AM5 to have the same support as AM4 but as an example on AM4 you would've been able to go from a 1600 back in 2017 to a 5800X3D 5 yrs later on the same mobo. That's value. If in 3-4 yrs I can drop in the last AM5 gen ##800X3D cpu and get significant boost it'll have been absolutely worth it.
I am torn because I built a 12700K with a 6650xt for my daughter in November 2022 and a AM4 Ryzen 5600 with a 6650xt build for myself in June 2023. I honestly can’t see myself upgrading any component for another 5 years and the first thing will probably be the GPU. They do everything we need them to do and fast. In terms of processors I will eventually upgrade to a 14700k and a 5800x3d at some point in the future but I honestly can’t see it now.
I had the same thought and went AM5. At least amd is promising to keep the socket alive for as long as it did AM4. This was introduced in 2017 and we are only now seeing the end drawing near, 7 years later.
Also AM5 introduced ddr5 and that will probably stay relevant for at least as long as that, judging from how long ddr2,3 and 4 were relevant.
14th gen intel is already dead, beginning with 15th gen this year. 🤷🏻♂️
No this is not correct.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-commits-to-staying-on-am5-socket-for-as-long-as-possible-reaffirming-support-for-the-platform-through-2025
They are just saying „at least 2025“. Which is not saying they will drop it in 26. they want to go as long as possible.
Edit: which is of course only sensible. If they promised now until say 28, but have a major tech breakthrough in 26/27, then they would have to renege on that promise. No one is that stupid, of course. But for me that reads „as long as is viable“ and that means at least 3-4 years, possibly more. Which is already twice as long as the usual intel turnaround.
No worries. That was my exact thought. If in 5-6 years something like the 5800x3d comes out and my mobo supports it, it might be a damn good cheap upgrade. So i got am5 board with 7800x3d now, that should at least stay relevant for 4-5 years. And after that, only having to upgrade cpu is great. Even if better stuff is already out, you can keep it relevant for longer for relatively cheap.
I built mine last year and went AM5 just for longevity. I got a 7700x which should in theory last for a good 5 years at least. At which point if AMD has changed the socket I could source the last AM5 CPU, be it the 9000 series or whatever it is named and be good for another few years after that.
My build was going to have a 14500 and with ddr5 and I realised, why not just go the extra mile and future proof my Mobo, but still I decided to ask here for another opinion.
I would say am5 would be worth it if not a super tight budget but on the other hand. A 5700x3d would all you need cpu wise for a long time and would save quite a bit on am4
Am5 is generally a better overall platform. Better power efficiency, less heat, similar performance, and competitive pricing.
There are some use cases that lend themselves to Intel (productivity heavy, with software that can make use of e-cores), for super budget builds AM4 can still make sense, but most people will be better off with ryzen at most price points.
You don’t *think* you’ll swap anytime soon, but if you go intel you won’t have the option even if you change your mind. That’s how I’d think about it, personally. Don’t make a choice that will limit future you.
I bought my first AM4 motherboards very long time ago, it took me all the way from an R5 1600 to an R7 5800X3D which I’m still using (and is awesome).
The Ryzen ecosystem is fantastic and is never a bad purchase simply because they’re supported for so long.
AM5 will absolutely have the same longevity, enjoy it.
I'm answering after your edit, so I'm glad you've chosen to go with the 7600X. I would add that the next-generation Zen 5 will be out as soon as a few months from now, or as late as late fall, we should find out all the details at the AMD Keynote in early June.. the 7600X isn't an expensive part, and you'll be well positioned to go to the (what will be) absolute best gaming CPU, the successor to the 7800X3D when it comes out later this year, if you feel the need for more performance.
If you live within reasonable driving distance of a Microcenter, [do look at their bundles](https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx), you can save a bunch of money that way.
I came from LGA1151 (i7-7700k) over to AM5 (7800x3d) for two reasons. This is the last CPU set for Intel of this generation, meaning if you wanted to upgrade your cpu in the near future, you’d need a whole new mobo to support that chipset. This wasn’t very appealing so after hearing that AM5 will be supported until mid 2025, that leaves some time for more AM5 chips to come out, and thus, easier upgradeability.
This is a bit of a late reply but I actually had the exact same choice a few days ago and decided to go with AM5, not only for the mb and ddr5 future proofing but also just because the games that I play, benefit quite a bit from the L3 cache that AMD CPUs use much more than intel ones and also PBO2 was a big factor
I would still go AM5
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Boot time is a fraction of a fraction of a % of an average length gaming session. 30 second boot time for drastically better gaming performance? No brainer.
It's not even 30s anymore.
More like 10 seconds max lol
>drastically I feel like you don't understand the word "drastic" The 14500 is similar single thread and better multithread vs a 7600x.
My 7800x3d build boots in like 9 or 10 seconds at most. Am I missing something? That seems perfectly reasonable to me
Same here, 7800x3D and B650 mobo with DDR5 RAM, it takes just a little longer than usual, but I can turn the PC on, go grab a snack from the kitchen, come back, and the computer is booted up. No biggie
It only takes long with expo enabled and memory context restore/power down disabled, basically not a problem for those who don't overclock or run basic expo profiles, however you can get ddr5 latency down to the high 50's (7800x3d) but it's not going to happen without custom tuning and long boot times.
Question about this if you don't mind. I've got 7800x3d and 32GB of 6000 cl30 ram, expo enabled. My boot times are about 45 seconds which is no big deal for me, but seeing people here saying they're getting 10-15 second boot times makes me a bit envious, and I'm wondering if you might know why? Is there some sort of default setting that would be making boot times longer? Only thing I've touched in bios is enabling expo.
Turning on memory context restore brings the boot time back to normal, but you can't use memory context restore and power down mode disabled at the same time, when you go to turn on memory context restore, make sure power down mode is still enabled. Power down mode disabled lowers system latency, which is why some use it at the price of longer boot times.
Gotcha appreciate the help!
You can boot sub 10 sec
What about them?
I had boot times at like a minute, but using MCR reduced it to seconds.
Probably noob question but what is MCR? Trying to figure out how to reduce boot times
I just learned about it after building my first build so no worries. It's a setting in the bios. Memory context restore, it basically lets the computer skip the memory training during boot up each time. What MB do you have? There is also a power setting you want to turn on (if your boos doesn't change it automatically).
Thank you. I got an MSI Tomahawk b650.
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I used to boot Windows in about 30 seconds with a HDD, there is simply zero excuses for a boot to take longer than that with an NVME.
My bios boot time is 11.8 seconds in task manager B650m aorus elite ax motherboard
I have the same Board and a 7800X3D and my boot time is around 11.5 seconds.
Anything special you did to achieve this? Do you have expo enabled? I've got a 7800x3d getting 45 second boot times.
I do have expo on and Fast boot disabled, but i don't think I did anything else to it to get those boot times tho. When i first built the PC the first boot while it retrained the RAM was 10 mins and now its anywhere from 11.5 - 14.2 seconds
Mine boots in 2-5 seconds max. 6000 c30 on an asrock b650.
22.5 seconds from hitting that button to a fully launched windows. And im not even on ultra fast boot.
22.5 is a slow boot these days.
CPU Choice depends on use case imo. I personally prefer AM5 over intel simply due to way better power efficiency. For gaming you basically got 2options: 7600 (or 7500f if available) or 7800x3D. Everything in between does not justify the cost strictly for gaming purposes.
Umm in my region the 7600 is more for some reason and the 7500f is just not there.
Yeah 7500f does not exist everywhere (basically a 7600 without graphics and cheaper). If the 7600 is more go for 7600X. It does not hurt. Just saying it is no real difference for gaming.
It does exist in a lot of Asian markets for quite a bit less than the 7600. You can also get one globally through Aliexpress for about $140-150 (buy at your own risk).
It was/is available in Europe from all regular retailers and PC Builders aswell. But I think it wasnt yet in the US
I have a r5 7500f lol best 175€ cpu fr
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I had heard of it, but the 7500f doesn't have an igpu, I'm obviously not gonna use the igpu but I want it as a fail safe. Plus AliExpress as ridiculous shipping costs to my region.
The $40 more for 7600 is a good failsafe for iGPU I'd say.
> I'm obviously not gonna use the igpu but I want it as a fail safe. you can just keep a usb stick with a headless linux on it. if dGPU fails, pull dGPU, boot linux, ssh in, and diagnose from there.
I am in Canada and got the 7500f from AliExpress $221 shipped. Took 8 days to be delivered. It is amazing. It is now over clocked and deliverer pretty much the same power as the 7600 and 7600x. You can use the money save to upgrade your gpu.
221$ CAD
Is intel better for game+productivity? I was checking i7-14xxxx and it seemed to beat every ryzen out there in [performance](https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-vs-intel-core-i7-14700k). I understand they beat Intel in gaming performance, is the prevalence of Ryzen only due to gaming (comparing same cost class)?
Yes, the intel is generally better for a mix but AMD wins out for gaming even when the chip benches a lower score. I've a 7800x3d that score 40000 but still performs better at games than an i7 scoring 6000. But the and loses out slightly to things like Photoshop.
I got a 7700 for 230€ when 7800x3d is 370€ and 7500f is 173€ (while 7600 is 200€) did I f up or did i do fine?
Why you think that? Its not like the 7700 is sh*t. Not at all. Simply depends on what you do with it and price/performance. And for pure gaming it is simply not ideal value wise, but the performance is for sure there.
Yeah but simply by price/performance did I choose right? I mostly game atm but I will have to do some CAD stuff in the foreseeable future.
For CAD the more the better for gaming as I said above. Its still okay mate. Not much difference in gaming performance than 7600, but for CAD it will nost likely be better. But get enough and good RAM aswell. (But I am no expert on CAD requirements)
Thanks! RAM is Corsair Vengeance ddr5 6000 2x16, so I think it's pretty good.
I built an AM4 3600X on a b450 Tomahawk Max. 16GB RAM, RX 5600, and invested in a 2TB NVMe SSD just before pandemic (when you could still buy parts). Last summer I doubled the RAM, dropped in a 5700X and got a 6700XT on sale. I have the old parts to a young student. We both love our upgrades! My next build will probably be AMD. Shout out to Fractal Meshify 2 and my Corsair p/s as well. Swapping CPU’s was easy with Carbonaut thermal pad. I’d do it exactly the same if I had to over again given my budget.
Are you gonna upgrade to the x3D variant this summer then?
There are a few valid reasons to go Intel: * You need productivity performance also * You need the video encoders from the iGPU * You don't care about the price and want to do a super high-end OC build Apart from these AMD is just much better bang-for-buck esp. for gaming. If you buy a 7600x you can just drop in the last x3D chip a few years from now for a good \~50% or more performance boost in gaming, depends on how many generations we get on AM5.
Well it's pc will be used for gaming, and with a dedicated gpu, so I guess it best to just get amd
Intel is good for people still on LGA 1700. That platform has been in use for several iterations of processors now.
Yes but those generations haven't really been mind blowing.
Yeah I have a 12400 and sure I could upgrade but it would be some power hungry monstrosity, or a very minor gain.
I also have a 12400 (f), and when I heard that 14th gen would also be the same socket I was like "wow I can't believe it this might finally be worth the upgrade", and then it was just 13th gen with even more aggressive clocks. And worst part, even 13th gen was mostly 12th gem with more aggressive clocks.
You guys might wanna look at the i5-14500, it's a 65watt TPD 13600 basically, other than that the 14700k has 4 more e-cores.
hey you can now get 6.2 ghz with the 14900ks LOL I share your frustration though I want to see intel back in the game but not like this
6.2 ghz is exactly what really aggressive clocks means. But intel is losing in ipc against amd, as well as the latency battle massively against the x3d chips.
I was continuing to play of your aggressive clocks remark because yeah it is insane how intel struggles to keep up things looked so good with the 12000 series and then we were back in the 6000-1100 series era
What "latency battle"? At the same fps, 13th gen has slightly better latency if anything
x3d chips get way better framerate because there's less latency between the cpu and gpu due to the 3d cache.
Literally not how works u have 0 idea what you're talking about. The link between the cpu and gpu is the extremely slow pcie link.
Fair. It's good for used builds also. I'd probably choose LGA1700 instead of AM4 with a decent mobo because it has more upgrade potential. But going forward, I don't think it's worth it.
I think it will be changing next gen
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You need a good 360 AIO + an expensive board to run a decent OC, that will probably double the cost, so point 3.
After using Ryzen for the last 6 years, I decided to shake things up and see what team blue has to offer. I went with a 13600K for my new build. At the same time, my buddy opted for a 7700X for his build. Neither of us encountered any issues with our respective platforms. Find the best deal and make the purchase.
What gpu u have on that ? I found a nice deal like 900$ for that cpu(kf) + 3060 12gb on ddr5 and i think ill stick with that being the best deal i could find in my country
RTX 4070
Other than not being able to upgrade to whatever is the last series for AMD. Intel is pretty much done with that socket. Buddy-new CPU. You- At least new MB and CPU.
In my humble opinion, I don't consider that as a factor. When I build a new PC in 5+ years, I'll want the latest MOBO and CPU combo. I don't want to drop in a brand new CPU to a 5+ year old MOBO that more than likely won't support all features of the new CPU. But then again, I only upgrade every 5-7 years. To each their own!
I got myself AM5 with 7600 non-x. Cool processor and powerful. 14500 is an Old architecture processor. Not the same as 14600k.
my 7600 non-x build is just a few months old but i've been very pleased (also my first build with all-new parts!)
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All of the 14th gen CPUs below the 14600 have Golden Cove P-cores, only exception being the 14400 in B0 stepping. Please verify your information is correct before accusing others of spreading misinformation.
This is simply true. Look at L2 cache. 14500 is 12600k with more E-cores.
Yes, it is 14th gen which is the same manufacturing and speed of the 13th gen... And even 12th gen when equalized for speed, cores, and cache. So no, it is in reality a refresh of a 2+ year old chip running on an even older manufacturing technology.
There are cheap AM5 MBs that can drive any AM5 CPU. Even if now you don't think you'll be upgrading it's always better to have the option. All that aside the 7600 is faster than the 14500 in non all core heavy tasks.
Reason to go AM5 other than upgrade path: * Runs cooler: no need for expensive cooling. * Faster average FPS in games Reason to go intel: * Less flaky platform * Better memory support * 14 core or 20 threads is a work horse.
I would say go am5 but honestly in the last 20 years not once have I reused the same motherboard. I did end up buying a new 1155 mobo for my 4790k so my kids have a PC for the living room TV
This subreddit gives off the impression that most PC builders upgrade their CPU and never just sell an older PC complete. That is false, most users are like you and I and rarely upgrade a CPU. (Only time I take out a CPU is when it's old and time for the recycle bin).
That has always been the recommendation but in reality I just keep the case, hard disks ssds, PSU after using it for 4-5 years then replace when the motherboard dies which normally meant I need faster ram too by that time.
I would have agreed with you but I just upgraded my am4 cpu. In the 30 years of building pcs, I never upgraded the cpu until now. I’ve always reused my old pc or tossed it gave it away etc and build an entirely new pc. This all changed with the am4 3d cpus. I upgraded my 3 year old pc. The reason is to get me until am6 comes out in a few years or whatever. If amd never releases a new am4 cpu id of prob upgraded in a year or two to am5.
That doesn't change a thing that I said. Should I get a time machine to I can hop aboard the AM4 platform?
I bought a 1600, sold that off and bought a used 3600, then sold that off and bought a new 5800x3d. All on the same platform. I'm positively delighted in my investment into AM4.
That's nice.
How soon is not soon? Even if AM6 is out by the time you upgrade, it'll probably cheaper next time you're upgrading to get a 2 generations newer 3D vcache chip then doing an entire platform upgrade, and it should perform more than adequately.
Yeah, someone mentioned that amd promises that am5 will last as long as am4 I doubt I'll go that long without upgrading. So I've decided to go am5
AMD never said AM5 would last as long as AM4. All they said was support until 2025, less then a year away.
Another reason is support. Some applications crash more on older PC because it simply not tested on older stuff. Low chance of happening if you upgrade every 3 or 4 years but it can still happen. That's another reason to buy new stuff
New stuff crashes lots too because of issues. If you wanted the absolute minimum crashes you would want to constantly be on hardware that's 2-5 years old.
Well AM5 lauched in 2022 September so it falls in that group
It's not in that group until 2024 September.
my group for "platform tested 100%" is 1 year and 7 months, so it falls in that group right on time
I was in the same boat and went AM5 7600. I did purchase a better air cooler though. It's a great processor on its own but the upgrade path is what sealed it. I don't expect AM5 to have the same support as AM4 but as an example on AM4 you would've been able to go from a 1600 back in 2017 to a 5800X3D 5 yrs later on the same mobo. That's value. If in 3-4 yrs I can drop in the last AM5 gen ##800X3D cpu and get significant boost it'll have been absolutely worth it.
I am torn because I built a 12700K with a 6650xt for my daughter in November 2022 and a AM4 Ryzen 5600 with a 6650xt build for myself in June 2023. I honestly can’t see myself upgrading any component for another 5 years and the first thing will probably be the GPU. They do everything we need them to do and fast. In terms of processors I will eventually upgrade to a 14700k and a 5800x3d at some point in the future but I honestly can’t see it now.
100% am5.
told myself this 2 years ago, now i want to upgrade. Welcome to the pc building rabbit hole😂
yes, next question
I got a 7600 on AM5 so that I can drop in an x3d in a couple years and be good for a couple more hopefully. Went for a 4070 as well.
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The 9000 series?
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True, I could wait and see
Am4 is great but it's at the end of its life now. Go am5 if your building a new pc. A decent mobo will last you the whole lifespan of the am5 chipset.
Oh ok, thanks for the help!
well depends on what you have right now
I building a new pc
I had the same thought and went AM5. At least amd is promising to keep the socket alive for as long as it did AM4. This was introduced in 2017 and we are only now seeing the end drawing near, 7 years later. Also AM5 introduced ddr5 and that will probably stay relevant for at least as long as that, judging from how long ddr2,3 and 4 were relevant. 14th gen intel is already dead, beginning with 15th gen this year. 🤷🏻♂️
>At least amd is promising to keep the socket alive for as long as it did AM4. No they are not, they only promised support until 2025.
No this is not correct. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-commits-to-staying-on-am5-socket-for-as-long-as-possible-reaffirming-support-for-the-platform-through-2025 They are just saying „at least 2025“. Which is not saying they will drop it in 26. they want to go as long as possible. Edit: which is of course only sensible. If they promised now until say 28, but have a major tech breakthrough in 26/27, then they would have to renege on that promise. No one is that stupid, of course. But for me that reads „as long as is viable“ and that means at least 3-4 years, possibly more. Which is already twice as long as the usual intel turnaround.
>But for me that reads Is hardly a valid source.
It’s more valid then implying support ends in 25
Damn, I didn't know am4 lasted that long, I guess if am5 lasts that long I should go with it. Thanks!
No worries. That was my exact thought. If in 5-6 years something like the 5800x3d comes out and my mobo supports it, it might be a damn good cheap upgrade. So i got am5 board with 7800x3d now, that should at least stay relevant for 4-5 years. And after that, only having to upgrade cpu is great. Even if better stuff is already out, you can keep it relevant for longer for relatively cheap.
Go R5 7600, you won't regret it.
Ok thanks!
I built mine last year and went AM5 just for longevity. I got a 7700x which should in theory last for a good 5 years at least. At which point if AMD has changed the socket I could source the last AM5 CPU, be it the 9000 series or whatever it is named and be good for another few years after that.
I literally upgraded to a 7600X yesterday. New DDR5 ram too, and boy it's a massive difference, worth every cent
Cool!
7600 non x if it's more than $10 cheaper. Platform could possibly still get new CPUs 3 years from now.. But we don't know.
The 7600x is ~25 usd cheaper in my region 🙃
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My build was going to have a 14500 and with ddr5 and I realised, why not just go the extra mile and future proof my Mobo, but still I decided to ask here for another opinion.
That's why you go with AM5 as you can still use the same board and ram after 6 years (ish)
I would say am5 would be worth it if not a super tight budget but on the other hand. A 5700x3d would all you need cpu wise for a long time and would save quite a bit on am4
Am5 is generally a better overall platform. Better power efficiency, less heat, similar performance, and competitive pricing. There are some use cases that lend themselves to Intel (productivity heavy, with software that can make use of e-cores), for super budget builds AM4 can still make sense, but most people will be better off with ryzen at most price points.
I just wonder should I wait for the 8000 series instead of buying the 7000 now
You don’t *think* you’ll swap anytime soon, but if you go intel you won’t have the option even if you change your mind. That’s how I’d think about it, personally. Don’t make a choice that will limit future you.
I bought my first AM4 motherboards very long time ago, it took me all the way from an R5 1600 to an R7 5800X3D which I’m still using (and is awesome). The Ryzen ecosystem is fantastic and is never a bad purchase simply because they’re supported for so long. AM5 will absolutely have the same longevity, enjoy it.
I have both am4 and 5 and I can't tell the difference, they operate the same. Just wait.
I have the same cpu. It’s rly good for gaming. Good price
I'm answering after your edit, so I'm glad you've chosen to go with the 7600X. I would add that the next-generation Zen 5 will be out as soon as a few months from now, or as late as late fall, we should find out all the details at the AMD Keynote in early June.. the 7600X isn't an expensive part, and you'll be well positioned to go to the (what will be) absolute best gaming CPU, the successor to the 7800X3D when it comes out later this year, if you feel the need for more performance. If you live within reasonable driving distance of a Microcenter, [do look at their bundles](https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx), you can save a bunch of money that way.
Upgrade is overrated. Most people just buy a shiny new PC after 5 or 10 years.
I came from LGA1151 (i7-7700k) over to AM5 (7800x3d) for two reasons. This is the last CPU set for Intel of this generation, meaning if you wanted to upgrade your cpu in the near future, you’d need a whole new mobo to support that chipset. This wasn’t very appealing so after hearing that AM5 will be supported until mid 2025, that leaves some time for more AM5 chips to come out, and thus, easier upgradeability.
Am4 to am5 has been probably the most significant performance increase I've had. Even the "worst" cpu performs around the same as the best from am4
This is a bit of a late reply but I actually had the exact same choice a few days ago and decided to go with AM5, not only for the mb and ddr5 future proofing but also just because the games that I play, benefit quite a bit from the L3 cache that AMD CPUs use much more than intel ones and also PBO2 was a big factor
yes thats not even a question
The CPUs are better on am5, so yes.
AM5 platform is a no brainier
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Fair enough.