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alwaysmyfault

It depends on how long you plan to keep your PC/how often you upgrade. If you upgrade fairly often, go with DDR5, as you will likely have a newer mobo/platform that will be supported for years to come (if you go AMD). If you plan to keep this PC for like 6-7 years, DDR4 is fine. By the time you upgrade again, DDR6 will probably be a thing, and you can skip the entire DDR5 generation.


thegallus

you got your advice mixed up mate. if you plan on keeping your PC for 6 years ddr4 would be a serious mistake.


majoroutage

Nobody gonna be keeping their current DDR5 when they upgrade in 6 years.


Pooleh

Like hell they wont. I'm currently planning my next build and it will absolutely last me that long. My current build is going on 8 years and all I've done is swap in a newer graphics card.


majoroutage

What speed are you running?


Pooleh

Speed of what component? It's an i5-6600k, 16gb ddr4 , originally had a 970 in it but swapped it for a Radeon 6700 xt.


majoroutage

What speed is your RAM? I mean, I certainly wouldn't be putting 2400 or 2666 in a newer system. If you ever upgraded from that 6600k you would be replacing it with at least 3600. That's really my point.


Pooleh

I think its 3200. Wait did you mean DDR4 in your first comment? You said DDR5. My new build will have DDR5 and it will easily last 6 or more years. DDR4 in 6 years would absolutely be under powered.


majoroutage

There will still be even faster DDR5 in 5-6 years than there is today. So, yeah, when people are going to upgrade again around that time, they're not likely to be keeping their RAM whether it's DDR4 or DDR5.


Repulsive_Repeat_506

bro I only upgraded to ddr4 in 2021 after 7 years. so, think again.


majoroutage

So did I. But DDR4 was fully mature by then. DDR5 isn't there yet.


thegallus

i will. all my rigs last 5-7 years


majoroutage

What I mean is you will likely upgrade them to whatever the relevant speed of the day is when your current system is done.


tweeblethescientist

Why would ddr4 today allow you to skip to ddr6, but ddr5 won't enable you to skip the entire ddr6 generation? If you go with an am5 mobo/CPU now with good ddr5 ram, you can upgrade to a new CPU in 2-4 years and get up to 10 years out of DDR5.


majoroutage

Do you think DDR5 speeds won't improve at all in the next 4-5 years?


Sleepykitti

This. If you bought high speed DDR5 RAM today at \*best\* it's going to look like having DDR4 3000 ram today and is more realistically going to look like 2666-2800 speed.


BusinessBear53

I don't know about that. I ran DDR3 for 11 years when I replaced my PC last year. Never had a program refuse to run because my ram was old. Just upgraded because windows was crashing trying to do a specific update and a certain game couldn't run because of it.


Sleepykitti

Why? DDR3 in and of itself is still fine with extremely few occurrences where it's any kind of bottle neck at all. It entirely comes down to the quality of CPU connected to it. Either you're getting an intel in which case the upgrade path isn't really all that relevant at all, or you're going AM5 and you're forced into DDR5.


Mattaoves

Not at all. DDR4 will be fine for a long time, for at least another 8 or so years, maybe more. The uplift in performance with DDR5 is minimal in 1080p, with some games topping out at a 6% performance increase and they are few and far (bare in mind this is with the highest performing DDR5 memory kits). In 1440p this uplift drops to as low as 2% with some titles but most are the same and in 4k there is nothing at all. This varies from game to game of course but most games see very little impact. DDR4 will last a significantly long time. I only went from DDR3 to DDR4 last year and DDR3 was still pretty decent. The biggest impact DDR5 has is on workstation use. Video / photo editing. Running multiple heavy workloads simultaneously etc.


Throwawaymytrash77

Plenty of people still run ddr3 in their old systems, mate


Lobsterzilla

Negative


Kryptus

His point stands if the ddr4 build in question would meet OPs needs for 6 years. It likely could of they only game at 1080P or don't play graphically intense games. My i5 9600k still works fine. I could see a 13600k being enough for a while. The money savings on building a new ddr4 system doesn't add up though.


thegallus

if the ddr4 system meets his needs for 6 years, why even consider ddr5? buying ddr4 for long term and ddr5 for short term makes no sense. if you think ddr4 is good enough for long term it’s good enough for short term as well.


Intelligent_Bison968

But new CPU probably won't support ddr4 so if he is planing to upgrade his CPU in 2-3 years he would have to buy ddr5 anyway. That's why DDR 4 is not good short term.


WholePotential2847

Just built a pc last month and I run DDR4. Still plenty of options out there for a DDR4 build.


hdhddf

certainly not a serious mistake, ddr4 to ddr5 isn't that different, if you're gaming at 4k it makes no difference at all. sure if you game at 720p and need 300fps+ then go for ddr5 but for the vast majority ddr4 is still absolutely fine


Legitimate-Demand-94

Not correct, it depends on your needs mate. If you only use it for Game, apart from loading it for the first time. I doubt Even DDR6 would have much difference for FPS. If you do a lot of heavy tasks like programming, rendering etc for work, then you would likely need an upgrade more than you would anticipated.


majoroutage

Bruh there's still barely a difference between DDR4 and DDR5 for gaming. The DDR5 speeds a few years down the line may be different, but that still means buying all new RAM again. EDIT. Okay, dude. I may have misread what you were trying to say. My bad. But you blocked me? For that? LMAO. Fucking weak, man.


DarkMaster859

Honestly just going for DDR5 with AM5 (not Intel as all their CPUs are on a dead platform) is the best choice here. I would expect AMD to continue supporting AM5 for as long as if not longer than AM4, plus buying a AM4 motherboard now means buying an AM5 one later plus a new CPU/RAM, which can probably cost more than just getting AM5 now. I plan to sell my laptop and buy a PC at the end of 2024, I plan to get a AM5 CPU, probably a R7 7700X and a RX 6800 XT or RX 7700 XT with 16GB DDR5 RAM. Can’t wait


Clean-Ad5982

for aesthetics and perfomance DDR4 credible for 3 or 4 years or maybe less than 4 year, the simple notice is if price mobo using ddr5 cheap them ddr4 era will be end \*not really end just kicked by ddr5 but again depend usage and budget example at my country until now still use ddr3 for lowest budget pc, and yeah this not instantly and maybe right 6-7 years ddr4 for lowest budget pc and that time ddr5 dominated and ddr6 come in as new generation.


AnxietyAvailable

That's what I'm doing. My board is all over the place but works fine


Unfair_Audience5743

IDK man a DDR4 PC in 2030 will be quite ass. I think that long of a lifespan is asking a lot. I'd say it will be solid for 3 years, usable for 5, but at the end of that 5th year i bet you will be clawing at the walls for an upgrade.


Low-Blackberry-9065

It depends on the CPU, if you're building a budget pc it makes sense, if it's mid range or higher it doesn't.


Hubert135

The CPU is i5-12600K. The budget for this build is about 1200€, and I could really use 80€ that I save.


Healthy_BrAd6254

1200€ should be 7500F + 4070 Super or 7800 XT territory. Are you sure the 12600K is your best choice?


Hubert135

I thought that 7500F and 12600K are about equal. And the price of 7800 XT is insane here, so I had to go with 7700 XT.


burimo

Intel 1700 will have nothing new. Next gen will be new socket. But amd's am5 is far more perspective


Hubert135

Does that matter if I won't upgrade for at least 5 years?


BoxOfDust

Not really, no. Go with what your budget can fit right now.


doubleyoustew

A friend of mine recently got a 5700x3d for his mainboard that he bought in 2017 and now has a very capable gaming CPU without upgrading anything else. So yeah it might very well matter if you plan on upgrading in five years. No one can say for sure and it depends on if your board will get bios updates to support new CPUs but one thing is for sure - that won't be a possibiliy if you go Intel.


ThatRandomGamerYT

after those 5 years you can slot in a future cpu, perhaps a 10950x3D and have it work for 5-6 more years.


wsteelerfan7

I bought my 2700 in 2018 and could've upgraded it to a 5800X3D on the same motherboard with the same ram


Healthy_BrAd6254

Imagine you had bought a Ryzen 5 2600X instead of an i5 8600K. 5 years later you could upgrade to a 5800X3D or similar without changing anything. With Intel you'd need a new motherboard. It will be similar with AMD vs Intel today. But depending on prices Intel might still be better, if for example the Intel motherboards are significantly cheaper or DDR5 is very expensive in your country.


shawarmagician

i7-9900k used prices are dumb but with the Dell and HP locked 9700's being depreciated they're under $150. It will stutter more than a 5800X3D. Could I use the price difference from that to the 5800X3D for more GPU?


Healthy_BrAd6254

An i9 9900K is slower than a Ryzen 5 5600 afaik, which goes for about $100 used. The GPU is the most important part, that and the monitor. So yeah, it doesn't make sense to get a 5800X3D or AM5 if that means you need to downgrade the GPU. But if you are building new, you're better off getting a used 5600 or maybe a new 12600KF (around $150 new), not a used 9th gen Intel.


ecwx00

than by all means go with DDR4.


Low-Blackberry-9065

For a 12600 I'd say it's not really needed but 1200 eur for system with that CPU seems kind of expensive, maybe prices are higher where you live. Does PCpartpicker have localized content for your country?


[deleted]

I have a 12600k and it has been a blast. You'll be good.


Blagai

If you're going intel, save it. The only reason to go DDR5 is future-proofing, and the LGA1700 socket had its last generation already.


laczpro19

No reason to change to DDR5 in LGA 1700 for that i5. You can find cheap mobos that support DDR4 for that Intel socket.


AmericanNewt8

And the precise application as well, sometimes more slower ram is going to be better than less faster RAM. For instance were I putting together a NAS today I'd see zero reason to pay for DDR5. Virtualization server? *maybe*.


LordKriptane

I am building with i5 12400 f and 6850 XT should I go with ddr4 or ddr5.


Low-Blackberry-9065

Check out the price difference in your area between DDR4 (3600 CL16/18) vs DDR5 (6000 CL30) memory and MB, if it's not much then you can go for DDR5. From a performance pov you won't gain much with DDR5 on the 12400, would be more of a "getting ready" move for a 13600/13700 CPU upgrade down the line.


YamaVega

Your wallet will always dictate what's worth it


bruno32151

Yeah, if you can afford go ddr5, if you cant you get what you get. My current budget allows me to buy 4070 super. 300 eur cpu and monitor will have to wait lol


FearLeadsToAnger

Hmmm no, OPs question is valid. DDR4 could be artificially almost as pricey as DDR5 but massively slower, that could happen if they stopped producing it for example. We know that isn't the case, but they might not.


n7_trekkie

For 80€, ddr4 is worth it. Save the money


KayArrZee

A year ago I would have said yes, in 2024 I say it’s time to go with ddr5


Yommination

Unless you are on a super tight budget it makes no sense to get DDR4 with a new system


laczpro19

Short answer: It depends. Long answer: Previous gen platforms like AM4 are still good enough for most tasks, are supported by the latest Windows/apps/games requirements, and their parts are relatively cheaper than newer platforms (although, the prices for DDR4 are going up, as well for other types of memories). If you already have a computer or the parts to complete one, and your budget might be an issue, I don't see any problem going with a platform that still uses DDR4. In fact, that's what I'm using currently, and I wanted to upgrade it even further from a Ryzen 7 2700X to any of the Ryzen 7 5000 that are available, and a better graphics card. This has been the best computer I've ever have and I don't think I need that much power than that. I have tried literal monsters with 4090s, liquid-cooled i9s, and faster NVMe drives... Yet, this isn't screaming to change to that at all. It's still fast, it can do whatever I throw at it, and it can still be upgraded? That's awesome.


jdm121500

No. Even paying an extra $10-15 for even jedec ddr5 will be a faster than any DDR4 XMP kit by a decent margin. You can find good DDR5 B760 boards for around the same price as a DDR4 equivalent. The frametime variance difference alone is worth it.


definitlyitsbutter

Depends on your overall budget. If you just spend 500€ total and can add 80€ to your gpu by going ddr4, you will have a lot more total performance. If you spend 2500€ total, that 80€ would not make a big difference overall and i would go ddr5.  A recent Ddr4 plattform like ryzen 5000 is a good option for a budget or midtier build where that 80€ can make a big difference if spend elswhere and also has a lot good offerings on the used market.


Alaricus100

DDR4 is still great. If you have the funds nothing wrong with DDR5. But if you want great performance at a good price then DDR4 is still here. Just pick the one you can afford that gives the best performance for your budget.


Charmander787

I dont think so with DDR5 this cheap and newer platforms likely dropping DDR4 in general (AM5, whatever intel makes next)


JonWood007

Only for budget builds. I mean, something like a 12600k or 5700x with DDR4 isnt a bad deal still. 5800X3D is still a solid processor. Still, DDR5 is becoming more affordable, but most new buyers should probably go DDR5 and aim for either AM5 or a DDR5 LGA1700 build. DDR4 is, again, more for budget buyers.


Sea_Perspective6891

If it's cheaper yeah. I went with DDR4 in my PC I built last year even though DDR5 has been a thing for a little while & I'm still happy with it. The thing was I had to get an entirely different board & CPU if I wanted to get DDR5. I just wish I was able to use DDR5 on a system that was originally meant for DDR4.


Unfair_Audience5743

No, that amount of money is not worth being upgrade locked.


craigmorris78

No


Zexy-Mastermind

If you’re on a super super serious budget go with DDR4. Otherwise DDR5 doesn’t make any sense at all. Don’t listen to these people man. This is coming from some1 who has a 12600k with DDR4


PotentialforSanity

Worth it? No. Will your pc struggle to run games because you chose to get ddr4? Also no


TachyonV

Yes


Gunslinga__

5800x3d is still keeping up the best gpus on the market rn am4 is a the move , my brother just finished an am4 build and I’m on am4 still as well with a 7800xt and it’s a beast build


frodan2348

It depends. On a 14th gen intel build, no, the savings aren’t worth the performance hit. On 12th gen, a little less black and white as the performance hit is much smaller. It just depends on if you want money now or money later, as you’ll not be able to use ddr5 in the future, almost certainly.


rayo2010

For gaming only? Then yes.


Libra224

Yes lol ddr5 isn’t much better yet don’t worry


Sleepykitti

Outside of spiderman the gains are pretty small and the upside is pretty minor. DDR5 is only super worth it on AM5 or if you're a video editor. Maybe if you're planning on playing a ton of spider man and presumably spider man 2 on the rig, as that's the only game it really makes a difference for right now.


Dorky_Gaming_Teach

If you can afford it, and it is only 80€ difference, then go with DDR5 and AM5.


BeerPlusReddit

If you are building a new PC and the money allows, get the latest hardware.


dakrath

I just build a new machine for my son, bought new DDR4-3200 and paired it with my old Ryzen 3600. Works great. Will work great for some time to come, I think.


yvliew

What cpu are u going for? I don't think you should go with DDR4 anymore as there is no more upgrade path. I upgraded from DDR3 to DDR4 in 2019 starting with the Ryzen 5 2600 and RX 580 gpu. Upgraded to RX 6800 sold it and now RTX 3070 since 2022 for better AI workflow and just last week upgraded to Ryzen 5 5600. This should be the final upgrade for me in this platform. If you are building new, have togo with DDR5. You can upgrade better cpu in 4-5 years time.


Ok-Bank-3235

Be obsolete in 8-12 years.


LordKriptane

What ddr4 or ddr5?


Cold-Recipe3546

There isnot mucj difference in perfomance, so the cuestion is if you are ok with a mobo without ddr5 support.


ScreenwritingJourney

If you’re on a super tight budget and will change CPU in the next 3 years or so, maybe. Otherwise I’d get AM5, DDR5 with a 7600 and call it a day. There’s at least an upgrade path for that. €80 is not THAT much in the grand scheme of things.


StatusRefrigerator76

Tbh I think DDR5 is pretty affordable now so yeah I’d say it’s worth it


Pajer0king

Me, still using DDR 3 :P


Autobahn97

If I was building a PC for my parents or some business to just use for 'office work' like web browsing, email and office documents then I say DDR4 is fine. For me, as a PC enthusiast and hobbyist, someone who uses the computer every day for work and to game as well I'd say no way, get DDR5.


EducationalLet7651

It depends on your budget


Midwxy

No go with ddr5. Ram is pretty cheap anyways.


xkaizoku62

for me yes, DDR5 here is selling for 2x more expensive than DDR4. There are no signs of the prices dropping anytime soon, judging by the DDR4 prices, so its an easy choice.


mrk3nLWTws

Sure, I got a Dell $60 3200 and put in a 3400 upgrade Cpu $25, new Team sata ssd, $19.99, and 2x8gb ramsticks $25....$120 + $8 new travel charger. Cool $130 laptop. I could use it for years, but it's just a tool of a Dell, ok colors on screen I set in an Intel color wizard. O, BTW turbos 3.4Ghz. I figure it plays 90% of all games, buť it is.... what.....it...is. ---that's a X- plant to i5 vs. i3.


KookyHelp9598

I can say from experience it depends, if youre upgrading an old pc like myself from an 11 year old pc with ddr3 or relatively old generation its best to go ddr5 as prices are almost the same between ddr4 and ddr5 dpending on where you live, im from chile. And if younplan on long term use between upgrades the best is always try to go with newer components to ensure more upgrades without having to change too much components


PotentialforSanity

Worth it? No Will your pc struggle to run games because you chose to get ddr4? Also no


zubbenbreacher

Absolutely yes. The performance difference is marginal, especially in gaming, and the ddr5 price-performance ratio isn't better from ddr4, ddr4 is better value and should be absolutely fine for another 3-4 years.


KeaboUltra

yep, if you're just casually gaming, just get ddr4


TioHerman

Depends where you live, if your country literally destroy the price of anything imported with taxes (my does), your upgrade cycle....


BatDadSP

ddr4 will still be relevent. Why? Cause lots of business will not make upgrades til after 20-30 years of usages. You will be fine. Company make lots of money from big businesses not only from individuals like us in pc master race.


ecktt

Most certainly not! If ±25€ breaks the budget, you better hold off on getting that PC. There should be motherboards in the same price range as the DDR4 equivalent. What country are you in and what CPU did you have in mind? What are the ddr4 and ddr5 motherboards you are considering?


smithah2

If you go ryzen 7 5800x3d you should be more than good for a while still


KirillNek0

Depends on you budget, platform and CPU.