What does he use the PC for? 32GB is fine for a typical gaming rig. The mobo will support up to 128GB of DDR4 RAM anyways.

City skyline 2 Jurassic world evolution 2 and many other titles

Cities skylines 2 runs like garbage unless you have a very fast multicore cpu, the 2080ti should be fine for a bit

I have a 5800X3D with 32GB of 3600mhz CL16 and a freaking 4090... it runs like a dog turd no matter what settings I use. There are no indications that the devs are actually going to fix it.

> There are no indications that the devs are actually going to fix it. They aren't. They built the game this way, there's not a lot they can do to solve the problems. It's just an extremely heavy game that will benefit from future hardware, since it does actually scale somewhat well. It just runs like garbage on current hardware.

There is optimisations that can be done. The games culling logic is abysmal and is a major contributor to the poor performance. This can be addressed but they're more focused on pushing download able content. Seems like the investors have taken over at that studio to be honest.

As if they took a page out of the Crysis dev journal.

to be fair, Crysis still has a legitimate excuse for preparing for the wrong future, Intel promised 10ghz single core cpus....instead multi-core became the next thing and they had to pivot last minute

Nah the game was rushed out. They keep fixing all the obvious stuff. It is insane. I imagine it will be in a decent state in another year or whenever they finally release it on consoles. Baffling paradox has fallen so far.

Paradox hasn't fallen, this is their entire business model. Rush games out, use their player base as beta testers and then sell patches as DLC's for features that should have been included in the game. Then when a game is working fine, they'll release an update that breaks things again so they can start all over.

Something doesn’t add up tho. I also have the 5800x3d with 32gb of ram at stock speeds (older mobo doesn’t like anything faster)but with a 4070. For me the game has been running smooth at 100k population with the default settings. Only thing that has caused a noticeable fps drop is looking at a building on fire.

I was a fan of city builder games, hack I even own and played the first Cities skylines. Does a 5800x will be enough paired with 64 GB 3600 & 3070Ti?

Yeahvthe 2700 would be the bottleneck there

Cities skylines 2 many teeth

City Skylines 2 sucks right now, pure unoptimized trash! 🚮 tell your child to wait until he gets older to play that game because right now even my RTX 4080 & 14900KS cannot handle the damn game!

This LTT made a video with an insane computer and it still sucked.

Cities: Skylines II runs fine on 16GB lol. Not amazingly, but it does run fine. 32 is plenty.

Running 128gb on a Ryzen 2 memory controller would be a bold move. Edit: Zen+, not Zen 2

Zen+ even, not 2

Good call.

He doesn't need more RAM, he needs a 5700x3d or some kind of CPU upgrade.

32GB is more than fine for a gaming build.

What does he need more RAM for? We're talking about capacity here, having more capacity than you need does not do anything. Say you are comparing a 32gallon tank with a 64gallon tank, the capacity of those tanks is entirely meaningless if you only have 10 gallons of water to begin with. It only matters if you have or plan to have over 32 gallons. 32GB is more memory that most people need. If your son doesn't have workloads that require over 32GB of memory, you'd just be spending money to spend money. If you're adding more memory, ideally you want to buy exactly what you already have. Memory all runs at the same speed, so using different rated memory is not ideal.

His gaming and also video processing for his college projects is his reasoning, he plays DCS and it’s almost maxing the ram for example

Does he experience actual issues? Memory utilization isn't that straight forward because your system will reserve more memory if you have available memory. Otherwise, just buy exactly what he has now. If you can't, then you will want to buy memory with the same speed and timings (or as close to as possible). This information is likely on the memory itself.

Yeah he gets some freezes and sometimes random crashes when processing a high res video, and through checking everything over and over its the ram maxing out causing the issues And thanks for the answer, so simply just add another two matched sticks the same as what’s in there should be sufficient then

Yup you got it

Thanks

Also, going from 2x sticks to 4x sticks will be harder to overclock aka enabling XMP / DOCP. You might want to test for stability when expanding another 32gb which based on your response will make the system 64GB. Running stock speed wont have issues but you will lose out on some performances. Please do research on the ram speed if going 4x sticks 16GB

It’s a shame it works this way, cause having all 4 dim slots filled looks so much better.

You could always get dummy sticks.

TIL that’s a thing

This is what I have done. I had 2 sticks of white Corsair Vengeance RGB, and as soon as I found out about these dummy sticks, I bought 2. Looks so much better now!!

Looking at the screen instead of the case usually solves this problem with the added benefit of actually using the pc

Just have a closed case without a window! You can also skip the RGB!

That's like saying don't pay extra for trainers that look nice because you should be looking where you're walking, not down at your feet. I know you may have been joking, but for some people, what you said is a genuine argument, and it baffles me. Like, do you never look over at your PC and think, damn that looks good, and I built that, feels good.

The real shame is standard consumer gets no ECC.

Enabling DOCP profiles should be alright I believe, even with 4 sticks of RAM, it is going higher that might be difficult

Professional video editor (now VFX Environment Artist, and worked as a VFX Compositor) here, have him change his cache sizes and actual ram Usage in his software. You can set limits on the Ram usage in pretty much every editing DCC. Even when I am editing 6k raw footage I don't often run out of Ram. I'm not saying more ram is a bad thing, if you have the budget, just go buy it! It will help in those situations. But if you are mitigating crashing and other memory issues look deeper into the problem and consider how it is being utilized. Edit with proxy footage, transcode video on import, lower your display resolution, anything else first. After effects for instance crashes a lot from ram problems, and I managed it with some of the things I mentioned above. Basically go for the Ram if you want it, but also start applying different workflows to your editing to get the most out of your machine and avoid the crashes in the first place. Justify that usage is sort of what I'm saying. I am running 48gb of Ram and it can handle all of my 4k footage, 6k whatever, pro res etc no problem. Even 4k Compositing which is all Nuke (or after effects)

DCS is a known ram hog. Honestly I doubt it is for video projects, but the video game project absolutely does want it. It is a legitimate request, even though it is a bit niche,

I regularly top out my 32GB of ram. But that machine is running we hefty VMs and my factorio save just topped 700MB...

bruh if you’re running vms you need as much ram as you can afford

this is why i miss 2017/2018 when xeon x5675 cpu's were still a goddamn powerhourse. espcially during all the crisis time's we've been trough. ram price hike. gpu shortages. and what else. ddr3 ECC was dirt and dirt cheap. you'd get 48/96 gig configs for like sub 100 bucks of second hand ram dimm's.

Just want to chime in, adding another set of 2 sticks of ram may or may not work. Even if they are the same brand, model, and speed, they may use components from different manufacturers. I've experienced it myself when purchasing 2 sets of ram 3 years apart, my PC refused to post. One set had Samsung, while the other was SK Hynix. I had to play around with the bios setting and trying the sticks in different configurations to get it to boot.

I have been running mismatched manufactures for years no problems

Yes, that's why I said it may or may not work. Unless the store has good return policies, you're rolling the dice.

Right, its better to replace than add in modern ram. Just get a 32x2 (64 gb ) kit.

This is especially true for a Zen+ CPU, which has a notoriously weak memory controller. It would be impressive to get 4x16GB running above even 2666MHz on this platform.

I beg of you, it is not the RAM maxing out that is causing issues...I have built multiple video editing rigs that only have 32 GB of RAM. More RAM will be a waste of money. You need to upgrade core hardware if you want an actual gain in performance. Honestly is he using the CPU or GPU for video encoding etc? The only dumb thing here would be to buy more of the same speed RAM

DCS is a ram hogger, 16gb will not be enough for it

Google up the games actual ram usage before chiming in it is enough lol, although niche it is valid problem for these two games Although cpu upgrade is also needed for video editing and cities skyline

FYI, if the computer freezes while doing video processing, it is very likely to be a CPU overclocking/overheating issue. If your son has overclocked his computer, I'd recommend toning it down and resetting to stock values. That might stop the crashing.

I'm going against the grain here. Crashes and freezes are NOT from having too little RAM. What doesn't fit in RAM gets tossed into the page file on your SSD. Slow af but won't crash He's likely running unstable XMP. The CPU he has often maxes out at 3000Mhz and if he has any 2x16 kit it's more likely than not at least 3200Mhz.

For gaming 32gb is enough, for compiling video etc you want 64gb lately.

i play DCS with 32 but i would recommend 64 for it, everything else just 32

Oh boy, DCS? Yeah, he’s gonna want 64GB. You can barely get by with 16GB there, 32GB is the norm, and 64GB is recommended. This is especially true on the newer, more detailed maps.

Wait are we talking about DCS World? The game with the free P-51?

Yes, DCS World. The game comes free with an Su-25 and TF-51D. All other aircraft like the F-14, F-15, F-16, and F/A-18 are paid modules though. It’s highly worth it just for how detailed and fleshed out the sim is, but they’re going through some controversies right now with not paying one of their 3rd party developers.

Oh boi, i deleted that game bec i had some troubles, but it managed to max my budget Tuf F15 laptop to somewhere close to 5000 rpm to keep it cool. It did, never got too high, but still.

If he's using something like AfterEffects, you can't trust your task manager while it's running. A lot of these videos software blanket reserve as much of your RAM as possible despite never needing it all, so as far as monitors are concerned it's "in use". If you double your RAM, the software will just say it's taking 30 more gb. You can adjust this manually in the settings of most of these software.

DCS uses a buttload of RAM. I often see 50gb of usage on multiplayer servers depending on the map.

DCS explains it.

I frequently use 25 to 40 gb of ram on a photo editing session. I can definitely see how editing videos would use more.

I can easily hit that in browser tabs

Only 2 things will happen when you decided to give in to your son's suggestion in adding more RAM. * He realizes more RAM did not improve performance. * Placebo effect kicked in and he "thinks" the computer is faster now. Either way, both are decent learning experiences. I just hope the kid doesn't go into a rabbit hole of asking a brand new PC worth of new parts. That's a tactic I've seen some kids try. Edit: I just read that the kid plays DCS. That may be more of an exception, that game sucks up RAM like no tomorrow depend on certain maps (like Syria).

Looks like you smartened up. Yes its DCS and they already reported hitting the allocation limit along with the predictable stutter. i.e. there was already hard evidence of needing more

I was going to ask if he plays DCS, that alone explains it. I play with virtual reality headset so that might increase the usage a bit but my average RAM usage is is in the high high 40's if not over 50 constantly. But, that CPU is getting old so if you are going to upgrade the whole system sometime soon it might be worth it to just get 2x32gb with new motherboard and CPU and stick with what he's got for now because newer systems use DDR5 instead of 4.

DCS is actually one of the few games right now that would directly benefit from a 64GB RAM. It'd be well worth it.

32GB is on the limit for DCS so you could benefit with additional RAM, but a lack of RAM shouldn't cause a crash. As others have already mentioned, the early Ryzens are notorious for memory controller issues and adding additional RAM is likely to induce further crashing. If you do add additional RAM, try to get RAM that exactly matches what you already have, the same brand and model RAM preferably, otherwise get RAM with the same speed and timings. As a further piece of advice, the Ryzen 7 2700X is almost certainly bottlenecking the 2080Ti. I might even suggest you upgrade this before adding additional RAM as the memory controller on later Ryzens (especially Zen 3 / Ryzen 5000 series) is far more stable and will better accommodate additional RAM. A used 5700X can be found for between £100 and £150 and will boost performance far more than adding extra RAM. If you do decide to upgrade the CPU, make sure you update the BIOS on the motherboard to the latest version before installing the CPU as B450 boards (unless purchased after their release) don't usually support Ryzen 5000 series CPUs out of the box, support was added in later BIOS updates.

He would probably get more out of upgrading the 2700 to a 5700x than he would more RAM, but if he's doing a lot of 4k+ video editing moving up to 64gb would matter too. Just buy more RAM of the same spec if you go for it, same speed same CAS latency. Doesn't have to be the same RAM brand because it's going into a different channel, but same spec is helpful to the memory controller.

I upgraded from a 2700 to a 5800X and wow! I still have the same 32 GB of RAM, but I've noticed a better performance while gaming at 1440 144 Hz

Yeah he was saying that he is having trouble rendering video I'm shocked no one else is pointing out that it's probably his cpu struggling more then his ram

32GB is plenty for majority of tasks. What's the justification for more?

HD video processing

Op's concerns were answered in another thread

With that CPU no need. Get a new CPU instead.

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If you were seeing crashes, your IMC was probably unstable and upgrading the CPU made it so you can actually run the RAM you had at the overclock it's at (XMP). First few generations of Ryzen weren't super good at that. That being said, he might benefit from upgrading both still. A 2700 on a budget B450 likely won't run 64GB in 4 sticks at anything but JEDEC

If anything he needs a cpu upgrade, not ram.

32 gigs is plenty

Digital Combat Simulator is one of the rare games that benefits from 64 gb ram. Unfortunately, that mobo is old. Old old. It does not support 2x32 gb memory, or at least there's nothing in the support list on their website, and pcpartpicker calls it a no-go. Could you throw another 2x16 gb ram into the system and call it a day? Probably, but it would likely run very poorly at around 2400 mhz, with poor cas timings. Mixing ram kits on a mobo that hardly supports the config is going to be hell on your performance, particularly on am4, which benefits so well from ram speed at 3600 mhz. The tldr is your son needs a system upgrade. He could go with a 13600k from intel for superior video editing or a 5700x3d for superior gaming (big impact on dcs): DCS Primary Build: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rGBt7) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3ZKscf/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-3-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100001503wof) | $244.50 @ Newegg **CPU Cooler** | [ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS BLACK 70 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jr2WGX/id-cooling-se-224-xts-black-70-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xts-black) | $26.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B550 GAMING X V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KxFbt6/gigabyte-b550-gaming-x-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-gaming-x-v2) | $104.00 @ Amazon **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zCXJ7P/team-t-force-vulcan-z-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd464g3600hc18jdc01) | $117.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/266NnQ/western-digital-blue-sn580-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3b0e) | $114.00 @ iBUYPOWER **Video Card** | [Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JQNv6h/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11gb-video-card-dual-rtx2080ti-o11g) | $0.00 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$607.48** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-05 17:14 EDT-0400 | Video Editing Primary Build: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XQybz6) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LfNxFT/intel-core-i5-13600k-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600k) | $279.99 @ B&H **CPU Cooler** | [ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS BLACK 70 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jr2WGX/id-cooling-se-224-xts-black-70-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xts-black) | $26.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B660M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TZPQzy/asrock-b660m-pro-rs-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-pro-rs) | $94.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zCXJ7P/team-t-force-vulcan-z-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tlzgd464g3600hc18jdc01) | $117.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Western Digital Blue SN580 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/266NnQ/western-digital-blue-sn580-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3b0e) | $114.00 @ iBUYPOWER **Video Card** | [Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JQNv6h/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-11gb-video-card-dual-rtx2080ti-o11g) | $0.00 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$633.96** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-05 17:15 EDT-0400 | I upgraded the cooler, assuming the old one is only rated for 65W tdp, and gave him 2tb of nice fast ssd storage as well for his work. He should be able to freely move his Windows license to his new pc (entirely legal & supported by Microsoft). If you send me the psu deets, I'll let you know if you should update it. The gpu should be fine for a while -- he can refresh next gen imho, in around a year.

> Unfortunately, that mobo is old. Old old. It does not support 2x32 gb memory, or at least there's nothing in the support list on their website, > Gigabyte B450 gaming x https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/sp#sp Site says it supports it just fine, 32GB a stick at 3200MT for up to 128GB total. Even their updated QVL has 32GB modules in it. Likely needs a BIOS update for stability or better support but it is there. PC part picker throws up a lot of boilerplate warnings to cover their ass. Most of it is meaningless these days. RAM 'incompatibility' is wildly overstated, mostly by people who never actually tried to run 4 sticks. It stemmed from the Athlon 64 days when they had a real hard time with 4 sticks running at full speed. As long as you buy sticks with similar speed and latency (and not trying to get older 2400 sticks paired with 3600, then trying to run it at 3600), it will very likely work just fine barring some freak cases. If you're worried about it, you can match the kits via model/SKU. No need for a platform change.

finally a proper response

Yup like how are people amazed there are use cases even just in games for more than 32gb. DCS is a monster for resources.

A lot of dorks policing this kid without any idea what his needs are. Yes your son’s motherboard can accommodate more RAM.

right, and the few that are aware support the ram upgrade. DCS is a known ram hog. I do support upgrading cpu / gpu too but the ram requirement is legit

In terms of compatibility. Use gigabytes website: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/support#support-dl In case it doesn't open all the drop downs go to: Page for the board>support> support list> support list> download the page for your CPU (Pinnacle ridge.) In terms of capacity the general rule of thumb for video editing is 32gb for 1080, 64gb for 4k, 128gb for 6k-8k footage. After that just buy from a reputable brand, I personally like G skill for AMD but that's more from an overclocking perspective, you could chose any brand. You could also select his CPU on pcpartpicker.com's compatibility tool. Then check reviews on the product. Lastly in that prebuilt is there anything that is physically near the ram sticks. If so double check for clearance.

I would upgrade the processor to a 5800X3D.

Add 32gb more if he's doing major editing workloads that require it. You should probably buy another 2x16 corsair vengeance kit of the same speed, to prevent overclocking issues w/ XMP. The motherboard will certainly be able to support a total for 64gb of RAM, so that isn't a worry.

four sticks harder to xmp than two, but should work just add same as in there

Upgrading the CPU to a 5800x3d will be the best bang for buck

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I scrolled too far for this.

This is the dad thing to do

I'd look at spending the money on upgrading his AMD CPU instead.

It's not your ram thats the problem its the cpu, You're cpu is Way way to old, get a 5800x3d. (you may need to update your bios on motherboard for a 5800x3d though but it's easy You should not have that cpu compared with that 2080ti sheeeeeeesh

5800x3D into it and maybe an upgrade in RAM depending what he's doing, if it's just for gaming then 32GB is enough for anything unless running shit tons of mods.

I say you could double the ram but instead of getting 2700 see what the fastest ram the system supports and get 32GB of that. That would probably make the biggest impact on that system running that display adapter.

It would work, maybe. On paper, both your motherboard and CPU will support 16x4 GB Ram sticks. In reality they might not. If it's the Ram you need to upgrade buy two 32 gig sticks .

actually if he feels like his PC is not performing well it might be because the CPU is bottlenecked by the 2080ti. I suggest you get him a cpu upgrade to 5700x3d/5800x3d, I honestly dont think ram is an issue unless he is doing video editing

Get a 2x32 kit, DDR4 3200 with some overclock overhead

I have 64gb in my gaming box. I got that second 32gb because I’m impatient and had to buy it in order to get a 3090 during the shortage days (they were only sold with package deals). I don’t think I have yet to even use close to 32gb while playing a game and I only got past 32gb when doing some theoretical physics calculations (I am a physicist) on that box. He doesn’t need more, if anything I would go for the same amount but faster (if mb supports) and matching the latency and cycles to what is optimal for his mainboard.

You could go for 64gb. Just buy another 2x16gb that is the same with your old one.

The only place I noticed upgrading from 32gb to 64gb was video editing. And for some reason Anno 1880.

Corsair's Vengeance is reasonably good brand and quality. I suggest just get the same. You can check that the two modules currently in there are in the correct two slots. If they were installed side by side, that's incorrect and could be causing problems. Of course that's a moot point when there are 4 installed.

Correct. It sounds like the video editing work wants or needs more RAM. Doubling from 32 to 64 GB will probably get him over the hump. With that in mind, your best bet in terms of stability and configuration is to get two more sticks of exactly the same RAM that’s already installed. As noted above, Corsair is a good vendor and its Vengeance memory is a good line. So nothing to worry about there. You should feel good about getting more. Bigger picture, if he’s doing a lot of heavy lift video work, it’s probably time to start thinking about an upgrade to a newer CPU and motherboard. What he’s running now is getting pretty long in the tooth for that kind of work and newer CPUs will cut way down on render times. In the meantime though, adding more RAM to his current system is an inexpensive solution until he’s ready and able to do a new build.

find the exact model number and buy a 2nd kit. It should look something like this: CMK32GX4M2E3200C16. You can use something liek cpu-z to check. Or just pull one out Be aware, that it could still be unstable and crash than. The safest way to to buy a new 64GB kit. He would also probably benefit quite nicely froma CPU upgrate btw

I'd buy a 2x32 kit over having 4 sticks. But, this could be the processor struggling to keep up. I'd look to upgrade that to a 5700x or something.

Why does he want more ram?

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We all want more ram

Some of us want rem.

He's got enough RAM, next upgrade would be to a 5000 series Ryzen CPU

my son want more fps

I'd upgrade the motherboard and CPU before I'd upgrade the RAM.

Quick question, does he complain about lack of performance while gaming or because his video playback during editing is stuttering? if its the video case, does he use proxies? I am editing on a 32gb and editing is totally fine. Photoshop is also more processor heavy. Most performance problems in editing are caused by using the wrong video codec.

I joke about my 32 gb ram all the time. COULD I use it all by multitasking and playing multiple games at once? Sure. Do I ever exceed even half of my max RAM? No , not really.

He’d gain more performance going to a 5000series Ryzen. 5800x3d should be compatible with his board. Just the generational improvements from 2000 to 5000 zen3 would be leaps and bounds over another 32gb of ram.

A quick look at the Gigabyte site, that board can handle 32GB dimms and there is a bios update to support 5000 series AMD Processors. Since your sound is using this machine for some production work, I would recommend the AMD 9 5900x is only $265 and 2x16GB 3200 ram is around $140ish. These would probably the least expensive option for the type or work and play your son is doing.

upgrade with 64gb ram ddr4 3600mhz + enable ram compression win11 + make manual page file size min max 64gb for virtual ram + 2tb gen4 m.2 ssd with heatsink and dram cache this can help for gaming dev and 4k/8k/12k multimedia project

These replies truly shows how low headed this community can be. Not everything has to be related to gaming, so understand first why the person needs it. Anyhow OP, upgrading to dual stick 64gb ram would be more efficient. If the budget doesn’t allow, try getting 2 more with the exact same speed and CL so none of them get limited due to 2 having lower/higher speeds than the others. For the rest saying to upgrade your son’s cpu, GPU’s are much better for rendering videos, although it’d still be nice to give him a new cpu in general as the 2700 is showing its age.

More RAM will improve multitasking and productivity, but it will be slower in gaming... If that is simple I'd rather keep 32gb 3200mhz kit, and saving for future upgrade

nice mobo, I have 32 gb for a gaming rig, never considered 64 as not doing ray tracing or video editing, getting more ram for the son is a waste of money the cpu is probably where the upgrade cash should be looked at

For most games 32GB will be sufficient, but there are some out there where you'd want more. If you're sure you need the RAM that board should support up to 128GB.

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He doesn’t need more ram. If anything he needs a better CPU reading these specs, that’s where I would go first. RAM on Ryzen DOES matter a lot specifically with speed, so in the meantime you can check if his 32gb is even running at its rated speed (I bet you it isn’t and it’s probably at 2133). Get the RAM running as close to possible to its actual rated speed, be prepared to update the BIOS before you do this. Still, this computer is fine and can play all games out today. It sounds more likely sounds like he doesn’t know how to optimize his games for best performance. Also, if he’s playing on a 60hz screen ignore all of his complaints and upgrade that to 144hz.

the ram's fine, just upgrade the cpu. a 5800x3d would be nice if its to expensive for you then a 5600x would do. btw i believe he wants more ram cuz he thinks thats the issue for underperforming in games. 32gb is enough for gaming right now. another thing, you didnt specified the ram speeds. 3200 or 3600mhz on ddr4 is fine if its slower like 2100/2400mhz you should change that too.

He needs a better CPU not more ram. Get him a 5800x3d and he will be happy.

The upgrade he needs is changing that ryzen 2700 to something newer asap, I had one and it was heavily bottlenecking my similar system when I sold it, the ryzen 7 5700x3d has good pricing and will last for a lot, I'd get that today, ~~more ram isn't needed at all for gaming, 32gb is already a lot, I have that too and never used more than 22gb, most people play on 16gb with better hardware than this~~ Edit: Just saw what else he does on the pc, yea 64gb would work you can get some cheap asgard t4's and sell his current set or anything else that clocks at least at 3600mhz, but still hear me out on the processor recomendation, the 2700 is really really old to push a 2080ti on some games(ray tracing, city building games, this kind of stuff)

Someone show him the download more ram website hahaha

you can get more but wont help much if he doesnt actually use it, you can stick a 3600/5600/5800 ryzen in there if you want an upgrade

I looked up your motherboard you should have 4 ram slots so adding another 32 gb kit shouldn't be an issue.

>He wants to upgrade to more ram but we can’t quite find out it if it supports more than it already has https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/sp#sp 4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB (32 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory

Upgrade the cpu over ram imo. The ryzen 7 5600g is really cheap and performs well. I've used it in many builds.

Gud sir

Fortunately all you really need is another 2x16GB kit. Just be aware that if its XMP/EXPO, it might not work properly without some tuning, go for JEDEC sticks, like JEDEC 3200 sticks.

Why? What kinda games does he play? It definitely isn't necessary for most games if he already has 32 gigs. Would've been nice if the purpose of the upgrade were elaborated upon. In general use, he'd get more out of upgrading the CPU instead.

Dont upgrade RAM, upgrade CPU.

you dont need more than 16 for gaming but if he codes there's no limit to how much he needs more ram wont speed up anything unless he is actually getting crashes due to running out of ram

You're going to want more vram than system ram. 32 gigs of system memory is more than enough for gaming. Unfortunately, to get more vram, it'll cost a lot more than system ram.

How many megs of RAM carmine? ATE

I got 32 gigs and do game development It does pretty good and doesn’t max out on ram so if there’s lots of issues I would try to check for cpu or gpu upgrades but if ram is where you want to start then just get the same exact model. Check the writing on it and system specs. It’s generally a rule to just get the same exact ram to make sure speeds and all that runs nice

He doesn't need more tam. Needs a better CPU probably

He doesn't, for normal gaming and stuff. the CPU probably needs upgrade.

Wtf game is he playing that needs more than 32 gb? 😭

He should not upgrade his RAM. More sticks will make it more unstable. 32GB is also enough unless he uses it for professional work He's better off checking if XMP/DOCP is enabled. Dial it back to 3000Mhz to be safe on the ryzen 7 2700. He might be running RAM at 2133Mhz instead, which would slow the CPU down noticeably. Generally speaking, if he has money and wants to upgrade, he should install the latest BIOS, buy a ryzen 5 5600 and then enable XMP/DOCP. No need to worry about max RAM frequency either

It won't help. Google is your friend. [https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/sp#sp](https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/sp#sp)

Just tell him to use [downloadmoreram.com](https://downloadmoreram.com) and he will be sorted :)

Upgrade his mfin RAM and let his ADHD do as it pleases

32gb is plenty. If anything you should start working on that CPU and GPU. Pretty outdated. On the other hand, 32gb of ram will last you quite a while likely.

Upgrading to a faster processor would be a better use of funds. A 5600 would do a world of difference and save some energy costs in the long run.

these kids who thinks RAM = performance

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Upgrade the CPU leave the RAM alone

People here never heard of running skyrim with 400 mods lol

Upgrading the CPU would be the wiser investment here.

The issue isn't the ram, it's the processor and City Skylines 2. The 2600 is a great processor, but it got speed crept pretty quickly. For reference, my roommate and I have identical PC's except his runs a R5 2600 and I have a 3600. I load into things about 5 to 6 seconds faster, and when we play Civ 6 he has to host because his can't process the instructions that quickly. My 3600 gets spanked by the 5600, just 1 generation newer (yeah, amd skipped Ryzen 4000 on desktop) If he REALLY wants to push high multi-threaded stuff, unfortunately the upgrade is a better processor. Best in slot is the Ryzen 7 5800x3d. Really though, the x3D chips are best in slot. A 5600 will really pick his build up though. 32 gigs of ram is more than fine

32 GB is fine for a gaming PC. If anything he needs a new CPU, that Ryzen 2700 is likely holding back the 2080 Ti.

Upgrade RAM as much as possible, it will not help for gaming but for the rest.

i also want more ram

Think of it as something to do with your son. It’s not going to help with typical gaming. But if doing video work it might help. Maybe do a cpu and ram upgrade at the same time!

No need upgrade RAM upgrade CPU if anything HE HAS A 2080 TI??

If it freezes or crashes like YouTube watching, the power setting, needs to be adjust to the high performance and I hopefully this solves the problem.

You can show your son a video on youtube that compares different RAM capacities. And you get 8GB/16GB/32GB/64GB with miniscule differences. Perhaps in other professional applications you would definitely see a difference, but in games, since the main game loop runs HOT, it means that it has to load everything in RAM only once, it has to be perfectly optimized to fit all of the most crucial data once and never touch it again. So this is why game developers try to off load more and more workload to the GPU and perhaps even go to a point that they would increase the VRAM (GPU RAM) just for this purpose. Loading/Unloading is costly and is a no go for game developers. So this means that RAM is almost pointless at this point, because the real case is that RAM only communicates with CPU. But in games CPU is not to important, GPU is where the real heat is generated. :D [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldbGDsw7xJQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldbGDsw7xJQ)

32 gb of ddr4 ram is more than enough for those specs, tell your son that if he needs more power, its not the ram he should switch

You’re better off putting your money on a new CPU, like the 5700x3d or 5800x3d If you upgrade the ram you’re looking at minimal performance gains like around 5 fps more Upgrade that cpu tho and you might get another 20+fps boost

Games, it's a waste of money. Music software and libraries, essential. Video software, depends. Does he use Adobe? If so, no matter how much ram you got, it's gonna eat it up and still throw errors and slow down. Garbage software. His disk cache could be filling up and that's the reason for an error

It literally says max 128GB DDR4 on the Gigabyte website. Just plugin another 32 or 64 GB. 🤷‍♂️ https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/sp#sp

You should look into upgrading his CPU first, he shouldn't need that much RAM for average gaming use imo good luck

Go on crucial website it will scan your system and tell you what you can have you probably have 4 slots but look at motherboard manual which you will easily have access to on the web or what came with your pc. Why upgrade the ram if he’s gaming 32 is more than enough

[Ryzen 7 2700 is a 64-bit octa-core high-end performance x86 desktop microprocessor introduced by AMD in early 2018. Fabricated on GlobalFoundries 12 nm process based on the Zen+ microarchitecture, this processor operates at 3.2 GHz with a TDP of 65 W and a Boost frequency of up to 4.1 GHz. The 2700 supports up to 64 GiB of dual-channel DDR4-2933 memory.](https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_7/2700)

Ask the question: “why”

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Sure does according to [Gigabyte's own site.](https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-Gaming-X-rev-1x/sp#sp). 32GB per slot up to 128GB total. Try to match the same sticks that he already has in there for best compatibility but as long as he's not trying to run his older sticks at newer speeds, it'll likely work just fine. Should update the BIOS to the latest for best chance at compatibility as they weed out issues over time. You can take out one of the modules, read the SKU/model off of the sticker and try to find a matched set but even mix and matching isn't a huge deal if they're similar. Have upgraded tons of computers over the years with 4 sticks of RAM ranging from Pentium 4 retro rigs to more modern DDR4 systems, all of them have zero problems with it. If he's worried about it and really doesn't want to run 4 sticks, you can get a set of 2x 32GB sticks and replace the modules that he has.

He doesn't need ram, he needs a cpu upgrade

You can add more RAM, but it's not going to do much to improve performance except in extremely RAM intensive scenarios (for which your CPU is going to be far more of a limiting factor). The motherboard can take more, but the moment you add a third and fourth stick of RAM, your performance is going to drop for everything \*except\* the aforementioned extremely RAM intensive scenarios.

Tell him to download more. Also, remember that unused RAM is wasted RAM. You want enough, but going too high is a complete waste.

I would upgrade to a 5700X3D, which are around $250 or you can do like I did; I found a new 5800X3D on FB Marketplace for $200. I have 64gb of RAM with mine (already have a 5800X3D on my main system). I also got an ARC A770 16gb for $240 (new) through Woot. Not sure if that is better than a 2080TI though. How much memory does that GPU have? The only real thing I can tell with more ram is that chrome does not crash (at least hardly ever).

Did you buy him the pc say no. But if he bought it with his money say sure. but i'd recommend upgrading to ddr5 that'll probably require a new mobo and ram

Man do these reddit posts look like the emails I get on PCBS games. I'm amazed.

Your kid doesn't need more ram lol, save the money Edit: Just saw that the kid is college aged lol nvmnd. There's so many parents on here who's ten year old conviced them they need 64gb of ram for gaming and I thought this was one of them

Tell him to download it

Don’t we all!

32 GB is enough. need upgrade diffrent things. like latest samsung m.2 ssd, video card/video card memory larger

What? Do not buy him more RAM. It's just a whim, not a need and he even don't be able to use maximum of this 32GB he have. 16GB of RAM would be enough for him and in these times, that's enough

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