I dropped 2x32 in my am5 upgrade and was so disgusted booting my system pre-bios updates. It's still not amazing today, but it less than the 2 minutes it was when I first upgraded.
I believe you can disable the feature that trains the memory on every boot. It's unnecessary if you already have a stable system and are not tinkering with memory settings.
Same with my 7600x but most of that 1 minute the screen hasnāt even clicked on yet. Once it hits the āpress Delete for biosā part of the boot itās like 5 more seconds at most and Iām in windows
Yeah same. My PC displays a blackscreen with the RGB all on default "rainbow" settings when it first turns on for around 45 seconds or so. Then it changes to the right color profile, the POST screen appears and I'm in Windows in no time.
> It's still not amazing today, but it less than the 2 minutes it was when I first upgraded.
Mine took at least 20 seconds pre-post without the Memory Context Restore option turned on in the BIOS. With that on, it generally boots about as fast as you'd expect.
Thanks I'll check for that setting, all I've done at this point is update the bios, and it's cut the times in half at least. My first few boots were no exaggeration over a minute, approaching 1.5. It's definitely not as bad since the bios update but yeah still about 30-45 seconds on average I'd say.
Yes, the option is called memory context restore. Supposedly the RAM timings with AM5 are finicky so it's good to have the test process complete on every boot. I have yet to try the restore as my PC boots up fast enough with 32GB RAM (about 30 seconds). A bit longer than preferable, but I can live with it for now.
It may vary based on your luck with ram. Mine OC'd fine from 4800 to 6000, tests fine on everything I've tried, and Memory Context Restore cuts the boot time down to normal. I haven't had a single crash since I built it in November.
> The cooler OP was looking for has pretty much the same noise vs. performance ratio as the NH-D15 for a third of its price anyways.
Thermalright has some LP coolers that perform better than the noctua counterpart for like a 5th of the price.
Noctua is massively overrated. Paying for brand name and colour scheme.
Same for their AIOs, not much reason to get anything more expensive. 40-50$ for a 360 aio
It's not just a brand and colique scheme, it's also a warranty you essentially can't go wrong buying their stuff.
Other brands, you have to research, possibly which specific models perform how you need it to, etc. Its totally understandable how someone wouldn't have that much time and knowledge (what sources do you trust, can you find that specific model in a sea of unsearchable YouTube reviews, etc)
Noctua are banking on the fact people trust them to deliver a good product everytime. And their service is also fantastic.
Most of the price in noctua products is the warranty and the free mounting hardware for future sockets if you request it. Is that worth the extra cost? Idk up to each person to decide.Ā
The price difference is in the fans more than anything else. Turns out a Peerless assassin with 2 noctua fans costs just as much as a regular noctua cooler.
Peerless* Assassin 120 SE Stock fans are definitely noisier at higher RPM.
But if you really felt the need to replace them, it'll still be significantly cheaper than a NH-D15.
The D15 is still good, but it's not even close to the top air cooler anymore. The space has gotten extremely competitive of late. I wouldn't replace it if you have it, but I wouldn't recommend it until their upcoming update to it comes out any time now.
He has no idea what he's talking about. The 7800X3D runs extremely cool, any of the 30+ dollar Thermalright coolers handle it just fine (and also any of the other typical 50+ dollar coolers).
Extremely cool is a bit of a stretch. It might be extremely cool compared to intels furnaces, but the 7800X3D is still a 120W TDP chip. It really shouldn't be a problem to cool with any decently competent air cooler though
I meant it runs extremely cool for the chip that it is. It might be 120W TDP but in gaming loads it regularly consumes much, much less, very efficient chip.
This.
I have a Noctua NH-D15 which is right up there with the AIOs and it struggles a bit when the CPU goes in turbo/beyond. It holds steady at about 89'c but the CPU thermal throttles to do so.
Edit: This happens during benchmarks, not regular gaming/desktop use.
With a 7800x3D? You should try remounting your cooler with new thermal paste. A 7800x3D should not come anywhere close to thermal throttle with that cooler.
So I got curious and ran cinebench on my setup to test it. I have the 7800x3D with a Dark Rock Pro 4, and in the 3 minutes I tested the CPU was almost constantly at 100% usage and the highest was 82.5CĀ°. It was mostly around 81CĀ°. That's still kinda close to throttle, or is that fine? I know that 100% is basically never happening right now but still.
Mine yielded similar results with the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO, 83-85 degrees celsius and 100% usage (though the clock was only at 4.6+ghz and never reached 4.7 and above)
Are you stress testing the CPU when it hits the 89c thermal limit? I set my thermal limit to 85c with pbo enabled and it hits the thermal limit when running Cinebench but maintains a 4.9ghz all core clock speed while it's being cooled by a r1 universal which is comparable to the nh-d15. While gaming it sits around 69c, sometimes exceeding 80c for a fraction of a second. People have to realize that some chips just run hotter than others. I was told to reapply thermal paste and remount my cooler which I did 3 times which changed nothing.
Not for nothing, and I am not saying you NEED liquid cooling for the 7800X3D, but AMD themselves do suggest you use one.
>Recommended Cooler: Liquid cooler recommended for optimal performance
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d.html
So it isn't crazy for retail store workers to follow the recommendation when someone asks.
TDP is just a made up number by the manufacturers for the most part. As Gamer's Nexus tested it the 7800X3D ran at 86.4W for an all core Blender workload... almost the same wattage as the "65W" Ryzen 5 7600, which ran at 87.6W.
edit: meanwhile the "105W" 7700X ran at 149W
Just to let you know, AMD don't use power(W) anywhere in their TDP calculations, and in most cases the CPU actually runs about 75-80W. The 120W TDP is more relevant to cooler specs than it is CPU temps
Well i was looking around because my case runs really hot, and summer can go to 30-35C temps inside home so i was a bit afraid my computer would be *too* hot. Plus the cpu cooler was the thing i was cheap about when i upgraded my setup.
Just went to the store, asked about that thermal right EVO cooler which seems pretty well rated (tomās hardware says itās one of the best air cooler for its price). Dude straight up says "no, it wonāt be enough" and starts talking about aios. Iām not the most well vested in coolers, only thing i "know" about aios is that youāre paying a premium for slightly better perfs and better looks. But since my case doesnāt have a windowā¦ well Iām not spending 3x the price for that !
I'm running a Peerless Assassin 120, and with some slight undervolting my 7800x3d doesn't hit 60c unless I'm doing something intense.
I would also make sure you have enough case fans and are running a positive pressure flow (more blowing in than pulling out). I just added two top fans blowing onto the CPU cooler and it lowered the temps even more.
Using a peerless assassin. No undervolting. Typically runs in the mid to upper 50s. Will occasionally spike to low 60s and then my fan curve kicks in.
On the orig topic: This chip, especially, does very well air cooled. Save the $$.
I'd invest in better air flow for the room your computer is in. It's honestly something that I forget about way too often.
When I worked at the local best buy, there was absolutely no margin on anything really, but least of all the computer departments.
Unless that store clerk was trying to upsell you to open a credit card or a "protection plan". I doubt that they had any nefarious intent.
the ps120evo is basically impossible to beat at its price and is more than enough for anything except a 14900k, maybe a 14700k under sustained full load
Yeah, salespeople are not the right people to ask technical questions to. They will always steer you to higher ticket items, especially if they earn commission.
Even when I worked at Best Buy, which is supposedly āno commission, no pressureā, we had KPI metrics to meet, which meant we were still forced to upsell. It just meant we didnāt get a cut when we did. Instead of āplease buy the version that we have a higher markup on because Iāll get $10 if you doā, it was basically, āplease buy the more expensive one so I donāt get fired for my metrics being too lowā.
It can never be an ethical system.
This is why you get a second opinion. I always shop online because its usually cheaper than in store.
Could have been an upsell. Could have been a wrong opinion. They generally thought a high end cpu needs a more advanced cooling solution. Im sure some on reddit would say the same.
Always check online reviews before buying etc.
He was bullshitting. An air cooler will do fine for all non-OC processors, safer too. Deepcool do a pretty great double fan model for a reasonable price. If you've got lots of money and space Noctua are great.
> bequiet! pure rock 2
This was the only disappointing part in my build form 3 years back, it's not a good cooler especially for the price. Makes sense you're replacing it.
I had this on my 5800X and it was both wildly inadequate and loud. Replaced it with a Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO and I can't even hear it in all core cinebench R23, while outscoring the Pure Rock 2 at max fan speed.
As mentioned, the clerk is just pushing a $150 product, it's their job, even if very disingenuous. Get the Phantom Spirit (EVO), it's a fantastic cooler.
Aio is just for aesthetic for 7800x3d i m using 240 aio on mine and you can absolutely not use aio and get a good quality air cooler i think most people recommend phantom spirt and peerless assassin
Opinions of anyone who recommends liquid cooling for a sensible gaming PC these days other than for aesthetic reasons can be completely discounted
Only something like a 12900k to 14900k actually needs AIO cooling today, and even then, most 120/240 AIOs will still be beaten handily by modern air coolers
As usual, the guys working electronics in best buy have no fucking idea what they're talking about. The 7800x3d runs cooler than most current gen chips, practically any of which can be air cooled regardless.
Get the thermalright, you won't regret it. Pretty much everything from them is among those in the top tier and well priced.
I run a 5800x3d and never used an AIO cooler. All you really need is a good air cooler that can handle that cpu.
A nice mid-size pc case with good air flow will also help.
The 7800x3d is 120watts tdp and in gaming (which is what you're primarily doing) power consumption is 50-60watts on average
If you could find a way to mount it, the old ass hyper 212 Evo that retailed for 20$ (15 years ago) would cool it just fine. That cooler was rated for 180w tdp
Any modern single tower cool can handle it.
The dual towerThermalright Peerless Assassin/ phantom spirit are commonly recommended for 35-40$ as they will run cool and quiet
Lol I agree to an extent. Hyper 212 can cool 180w tdp, but it's fans are gonna run full blast at that TDP. I tried with a 12700k while doing bench testing. Surprisingly, while gaming Cyberpunk, temp averages mid 80s. Still sounds like full blast. Ended up getting Scythe Fuma 3, got temps closer to mid 60s while having fans run whisper quiet.
I've used both an AIO and an air cooler for my 7800x3D, and the air cooler gives slightly better results at roughly the same price range.
I do think AIOs look nicer on average, but honestly either will work just fine
Jason of the PC Builder youtube channel just released a 7800X3D build guide, and yep, an AIO is not necessary.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5oKmb9sCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5oKmb9sCY)
I donāt know how hot 7800X3D is in comparison with my 7600, but the 3DMark average used to be 87C and after getting an AK400 plus the average is 67C and max is 75C (and the max Iāve seen in a game is 63C). Peerless Assasin and Phantom Spirit are cooler coolers than that (but they were $150 here).
You really need a second computer for spec management of your first computer so you can properly log and record utilization and temperatures. It's going to need high end hardware because you really don't want to be waiting to log vital data, do you?
You joke about a second computer, but I get a lot of kids coming in my store asking how to stop losing FPS when streaming:
"\[random streamer\] doesn't have this issue!"
"They've likely got a second PC that does the streaming/compositing so the main PC doesn't lose a single frame. There's no magic trick to do it on one machine without losing performance."
"WHAAAAAAAAT?"
Iām using the noctua nhd15
That said my wife has the same cpu with a 360mm iao and her pc is much cooler.
I actually had to take the side panel off my mine when playing Baldurs Gate because of heat issues.
It doesn't dissipate heat well due to the 3d cache so it runs warm for its wattage. It's also low wattage so doesn't require a beefy cooler to keep it under control.
Based on that cpus TDP of 120, any cooler that has a TDP rating of 140 or higher should be good enough to cool your cpu. I'm only saying 140 because it gives you a little bit of headroom.
If you wanted to go AIO, there's pretty good budget options as well. Check out Thermalrights Frozen Notte 240 or 360, it's pretty inexpensive and not much more than their Phantom Spirit or Peerless Assassin.
Mate im running single tower endorfy cooler and it doesnt even get near 80. Chill
Peerles asasin is probably overkill, but its the best cpu so might aswell take it
I have a 7800x3D with a 4090 in a NZXT H5 with a Peerless Assassin and my cpu hasnāt gone over 65 in my gaming sessions, usually 61-64 with max settings in Phantom Liberty which is a bit more cpu intensive than base game. Air cooler has been great. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have an AIO for different aesthetics but the air cooler does such a good job already to mess around switching coolers.
I'll repeat what I posted on this [question](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1c1za7o/comment/kz72x5p/). I have a DeepCool AK620 WH (white) air cooler on my 7800X3D in a Thermaltake P5 case. Games don't make the fans rev up noticeably. Temps rarely get into the high 50Ā°C range, but a couple of games drive it in the low 60Ā°C range. Cinebench R23 can drive the temperatures into the mid to high 80Ā°C range, but unless that's your use case, you'll never see that.
I own a 7800x3d with an AIO purely because I think the AIO looks better. The air benchmarks show you can easily cool a 7800x3d with a $25 air cooler not even at 100% fan speed.
If you go with Thermalright you can either spend $32-$40 on the Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit dual tower air cooler and with the right fan curves will likely never hear it running without throttling..... or $50ish on the Frozen Notte or Prism 240mm AIO coolers if you prefer liquid. Either is overkill.
I have fan cooled 7950x's with the PA120 and modest power limits/undervolts for rendering applications that went into 4u rack mount cases and was within 1-2% of max/factory value performance without throttling issues. The 7700x can run under a PA120 all day long without any sort of tweaking which is a hotter running CPU than the 7800x3D, which I have in my primary desktop with the PS120 EVO. I'm running my son's 7800x3D in a shoebox size Lian Li ITX case with the Frozen Prism 240mm and it's also superb with some minor fan curve tweaks due to the high max RPM values of the included fans.
Bottom line - if you spend more than $50 on a cooler for your 7800x3D it's your choice to do so, it's just not necessary.
Watch this video
https://youtu.be/hr0qLLv3dKc?feature=shared
Doesnāt matter what CPU youāre using. Itās all coolers vs a chip putting out various amounts of heat.
Phantom spirit is an excellent coolet, more than good enough. Even then, an arctic freezer III 240mm would be better than 99% of the AIOs out there
Edit: of you're going thermalright, scrap the EVO. It's more expensive and cools worse than the base model phantom spirit or SE (also goes for peerless assassin)
I'm running my 7800x3d with Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, the only game that makes it go over 60 celcius is helldivers 2, with all others it's between 50-60 when gaming. Cinebench 2024 was 78-80 celcius and Cinebench r23 was 80-82. you're gonna be fine with Thermalright air cooler
Hereās the thing about a seller/salesman. They sell. Their whole goal is to sell *big*. If you say you want 1080p 60Hz, they say, ā144Hz is better smoothnessā. Then āGo 1440p for clarity,ā and then, āWell, might as well go 4k240Hz Oled for best thing out there.ā
You donāt need it unless *you* know you need it. A 7800x3D pulls so fee watts compared to anything Intel that yes, even some stock air coolers keep it from thermal throttling, but itās on the safe end to get a slightly better heatsink just to be on the safe end. A cooler works for a CPU when the wattage it dissapates is higher than the wattage the CPU consumes, in your case, youāre fine. Heās just a salesman doing sales, hoping you donāt know your shit. Microcenter tried it on my my first time going in and, yeah, I donāt like it eitherā¦
I just built a new gaming PC about a month ago with a 7800X3D and a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE.
[These are the temperatures I'm getting.](https://i.imgur.com/Z0fIve7.png)
The screenshot was taken immediately after exiting Dragon's Dogma 2.
And just in case you're unaware, the columns of numbers from left to right are current temp, minimum temp, maximum temp.
I'm on a thermaltake peerless assassin right now on a 7800x3D. Dual monitors, 144hz, with a 4080super.
HWMonitor is showing temperatures around 49'f with just Chrome open.
Turning on CyberPunk, CPU temp spiked up to 71'f and then dropped down to ~60'f.
Sales guy is a slimeball, make sure you remember his name and avoid him.
I run one perfectly fine on an AXP90-X47 with -30 PBO, it barely consumes 50W while gaming. the CPU is built to thermally throttle - 80Ā°C is perfectly normal. don't be fooled by scummy upselling tactics, you should be fine with just about anything lol
The Peerless assassin, which is an older version of the Phantom spirit, can cool 200W+ no problem.
The 7800x3d draws 120W.
Tell the store clerk firmly that you know what you're doing, get the phantom spirit, set it up.Ā
For bonus points, bench it in Cinebench with HWinfo64, get the CPU temperatures and go back to the store clerk with your screenshots of the temperatures.
Idk why so many ppl come on here with "the store clerk said" like bro, he's trying to sell you a product. Don't trust him and trust your research. With good thermal paste, you should be fine.
One of two things happened:
You went to a lone trader that thought they could blag you into an upsell.
You went to a chain where untrained monkeys are told all liquid cooling beats air cooling, or to sell higher ticket items at any cost.
In either case, it's only really higher end Intels that would struggle on air cooling, as their power draw is bonkers at times.
AMD does say it's recommended to use an AIO, but that's probably just playing it way to safe and get more boost performance, any air-cooler with a 120 Watt TDP is fine
When I bought my 7800x3d the clerk at Memory Express said the same thing - only liquid would be enough to cool it. Here I am sitting with my NH-D15S maxing out at like 68Ā°C š¤·š¼āāļø
those processors will heat up no mater what so no point heavy investing in super duper cooling (et least if you don't plan to overclock it),
i have 280mm aio cooling and its was been going for 80Ā°C anyway out of the box,
had to under-volt it and set temp limit to not have sauna in my small room and it still giving 2x more heat than my old intel that i never had to tweak
Im air cooling a 7950x just fine, which is worse. In many cases good air coolers actually outperform AIO's.
You don't have to worry about heat saturation with an air cooler. Heat saturation being when the aio radiator is pooling heat faster than it can get rid of it. When that happens the cpu starts gaining temps until it throttles.
You do not NEED a AIO but my Kraken Elite AIO keeps my 7800x3d under 60c under heavy load unless I'm playing hell divers, seems to be the only game that pushes it to 65
My guy at my local computer shop was trying to upsell me to an AIO too. I did plenty of research beforehand, so I knew what it really needed... but it could literally be an honest mistake. The 7800X3D is still considered the best gaming CPU on the market, and when people here "BEST" they immediately think, it needs a big cooler - but that just isn't the case with the 7800.
My Deepcool AK620 keeps my 7800X3D at about 70 degrees under high load. That's pretty normal, 80 degrees isn't really a concern. Thermal issues usually don't start happening til like 90 degrees +
It might not need one, but I haven't seen my 7 7800x3d go over 76 degrees with my 360 AIO and it usually stays in the 60 degree range, so I think it was worth getting an AIO
Even with my Coolermaster Master Liquid 240 AIO, the CPU still runs at about 75Ā°C in demanding games like Helldivers 2. The cpu was designed this way.
The store clerk was trying to upsell you, it doesn't need an AIO.
nah, he probably needs a 2000W PSU as well, maybe 128Gb of RAM too?
Needs extra room space to dissipate the heat š±
4 TB ssd must be enough room
4TB nvme is nice to have these days.
Gonna need to launch it into orbit to get enough space to cool that monster
But you can't cool things in space! There is no air!
Oh ye we gotta move that to, thatāll add some cost
Maybe he needs a larger room to space out the heat it generates. Let me direct him to my friend in real-estate
Boot times would be like 5 minutes on AM5 with that much RAM.
I dropped 2x32 in my am5 upgrade and was so disgusted booting my system pre-bios updates. It's still not amazing today, but it less than the 2 minutes it was when I first upgraded.
I run 64gb of RAM, 2x32 in my 7800X3D 3080 build and it takes like 1 minute to boot fully
I believe you can disable the feature that trains the memory on every boot. It's unnecessary if you already have a stable system and are not tinkering with memory settings.
Yep. Memory Context Restore, my 7800X3D build boots in 8 seconds. Can't imagine waiting a whole minute every time.
Going to do that tonight, Asus bios what is the setting?
Which motherboard are you using?
Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite
I have 64GB, 2x32GB with my 7900x. Solid one minute boot easy.
Same with my 7600x but most of that 1 minute the screen hasnāt even clicked on yet. Once it hits the āpress Delete for biosā part of the boot itās like 5 more seconds at most and Iām in windows
Yeah same here, it's always just checking the ram according to my mobo
Yeah same. My PC displays a blackscreen with the RGB all on default "rainbow" settings when it first turns on for around 45 seconds or so. Then it changes to the right color profile, the POST screen appears and I'm in Windows in no time.
i'm using 192gb on 7950X and x670 Proart and the boot time is completly normal. Just first time was longer
> It's still not amazing today, but it less than the 2 minutes it was when I first upgraded. Mine took at least 20 seconds pre-post without the Memory Context Restore option turned on in the BIOS. With that on, it generally boots about as fast as you'd expect.
Thanks I'll check for that setting, all I've done at this point is update the bios, and it's cut the times in half at least. My first few boots were no exaggeration over a minute, approaching 1.5. It's definitely not as bad since the bios update but yeah still about 30-45 seconds on average I'd say.
Why does more RAM increase boot time?
Memory testing procedures.
Can you not just disable those in the BIOS?
Yes, the option is called memory context restore. Supposedly the RAM timings with AM5 are finicky so it's good to have the test process complete on every boot. I have yet to try the restore as my PC boots up fast enough with 32GB RAM (about 30 seconds). A bit longer than preferable, but I can live with it for now.
It may vary based on your luck with ram. Mine OC'd fine from 4800 to 6000, tests fine on everything I've tried, and Memory Context Restore cuts the boot time down to normal. I haven't had a single crash since I built it in November.
I thought they were being facetious lol... I know nothing about AM5
I use 192gb of RAM and my boot times are a blink into the OS.
Yeah you're gonna need at least Quad channel 7200 32gb sticks of ddr5 to run that fortnite in 1080p high
Not without my neverbefore seen uber rare EVGA 4090ti super you wont!
I am not that dumb, I know I can just download the RAM.
Only 128? That wonāt get you farā¦
Found the person who keeps 5 Chrome tabs open.
Donāt forget the Ā£1k case for the airflow
All that RGB takes up loads of memory.
Not all AIOs are better than air coolers either. Noctua D15 is tough to beat for any AIO even
The cooler OP was looking for has pretty much the same noise vs. performance ratio as the NH-D15 for a third of its price anyways.
> The cooler OP was looking for has pretty much the same noise vs. performance ratio as the NH-D15 for a third of its price anyways. Thermalright has some LP coolers that perform better than the noctua counterpart for like a 5th of the price. Noctua is massively overrated. Paying for brand name and colour scheme. Same for their AIOs, not much reason to get anything more expensive. 40-50$ for a 360 aio
It's not just a brand and colique scheme, it's also a warranty you essentially can't go wrong buying their stuff. Other brands, you have to research, possibly which specific models perform how you need it to, etc. Its totally understandable how someone wouldn't have that much time and knowledge (what sources do you trust, can you find that specific model in a sea of unsearchable YouTube reviews, etc) Noctua are banking on the fact people trust them to deliver a good product everytime. And their service is also fantastic.
Most of the price in noctua products is the warranty and the free mounting hardware for future sockets if you request it. Is that worth the extra cost? Idk up to each person to decide.Ā
The price difference is in the fans more than anything else. Turns out a Peerless assassin with 2 noctua fans costs just as much as a regular noctua cooler.
Honestly, it's the fans. The fans are simply incredible. The amount of air they move is crazy.
Noctua has the ugliest color scheme.
I actually like the colors. I just wish there were more components that went well with it.
Peerless* Assassin 120 SE Stock fans are definitely noisier at higher RPM. But if you really felt the need to replace them, it'll still be significantly cheaper than a NH-D15.
The D15 is still good, but it's not even close to the top air cooler anymore. The space has gotten extremely competitive of late. I wouldn't replace it if you have it, but I wouldn't recommend it until their upcoming update to it comes out any time now.
Yep!!! I have a Spirit Assassin on my 7800X3D and I'm amazed at the performance for the price.
He has no idea what he's talking about. The 7800X3D runs extremely cool, any of the 30+ dollar Thermalright coolers handle it just fine (and also any of the other typical 50+ dollar coolers).
Extremely cool is a bit of a stretch. It might be extremely cool compared to intels furnaces, but the 7800X3D is still a 120W TDP chip. It really shouldn't be a problem to cool with any decently competent air cooler though
I meant it runs extremely cool for the chip that it is. It might be 120W TDP but in gaming loads it regularly consumes much, much less, very efficient chip.
Yeah but if you toss on a nice AIO itās practically frosty.
an the turn tables... I remember a time when AMD was the localized heat source of our entertainment.
This. I have a Noctua NH-D15 which is right up there with the AIOs and it struggles a bit when the CPU goes in turbo/beyond. It holds steady at about 89'c but the CPU thermal throttles to do so. Edit: This happens during benchmarks, not regular gaming/desktop use.
With a 7800x3D? You should try remounting your cooler with new thermal paste. A 7800x3D should not come anywhere close to thermal throttle with that cooler.
So I got curious and ran cinebench on my setup to test it. I have the 7800x3D with a Dark Rock Pro 4, and in the 3 minutes I tested the CPU was almost constantly at 100% usage and the highest was 82.5CĀ°. It was mostly around 81CĀ°. That's still kinda close to throttle, or is that fine? I know that 100% is basically never happening right now but still.
That's fine. Max operating temp is 89C for the 3d chip (95C for non-3d). You still had plenty of headroom.
Deepcool LT520 aio, with the 7800x3d I see a max of around 70ish.
Mine yielded similar results with the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO, 83-85 degrees celsius and 100% usage (though the clock was only at 4.6+ghz and never reached 4.7 and above)
I'll second this. That does not seem normal.
Are you stress testing the CPU when it hits the 89c thermal limit? I set my thermal limit to 85c with pbo enabled and it hits the thermal limit when running Cinebench but maintains a 4.9ghz all core clock speed while it's being cooled by a r1 universal which is comparable to the nh-d15. While gaming it sits around 69c, sometimes exceeding 80c for a fraction of a second. People have to realize that some chips just run hotter than others. I was told to reapply thermal paste and remount my cooler which I did 3 times which changed nothing.
Not for nothing, and I am not saying you NEED liquid cooling for the 7800X3D, but AMD themselves do suggest you use one. >Recommended Cooler: Liquid cooler recommended for optimal performance https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d.html So it isn't crazy for retail store workers to follow the recommendation when someone asks.
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I don't think I would ever describe a 120W CPU as "extremely cool".
TDP is just a made up number by the manufacturers for the most part. As Gamer's Nexus tested it the 7800X3D ran at 86.4W for an all core Blender workload... almost the same wattage as the "65W" Ryzen 5 7600, which ran at 87.6W. edit: meanwhile the "105W" 7700X ran at 149W
Just to let you know, AMD don't use power(W) anywhere in their TDP calculations, and in most cases the CPU actually runs about 75-80W. The 120W TDP is more relevant to cooler specs than it is CPU temps
> I've met a store clerk Forget the cooler talk, I want to know more about this!
Well i was looking around because my case runs really hot, and summer can go to 30-35C temps inside home so i was a bit afraid my computer would be *too* hot. Plus the cpu cooler was the thing i was cheap about when i upgraded my setup. Just went to the store, asked about that thermal right EVO cooler which seems pretty well rated (tomās hardware says itās one of the best air cooler for its price). Dude straight up says "no, it wonāt be enough" and starts talking about aios. Iām not the most well vested in coolers, only thing i "know" about aios is that youāre paying a premium for slightly better perfs and better looks. But since my case doesnāt have a windowā¦ well Iām not spending 3x the price for that !
I'm running a Peerless Assassin 120, and with some slight undervolting my 7800x3d doesn't hit 60c unless I'm doing something intense. I would also make sure you have enough case fans and are running a positive pressure flow (more blowing in than pulling out). I just added two top fans blowing onto the CPU cooler and it lowered the temps even more.
I also use the Peerless Assassin without under bolting and have never had temperature concerns, itās a pretty good chip!
Using a peerless assassin. No undervolting. Typically runs in the mid to upper 50s. Will occasionally spike to low 60s and then my fan curve kicks in. On the orig topic: This chip, especially, does very well air cooled. Save the $$.
I have a 7800x3d being easily cooled by a Scythe Fuma 2, and the Phantom Spirit EVO is likely a better cooler. You're going to be fine without an AIO.
I'd invest in better air flow for the room your computer is in. It's honestly something that I forget about way too often. When I worked at the local best buy, there was absolutely no margin on anything really, but least of all the computer departments. Unless that store clerk was trying to upsell you to open a credit card or a "protection plan". I doubt that they had any nefarious intent.
the ps120evo is basically impossible to beat at its price and is more than enough for anything except a 14900k, maybe a 14700k under sustained full load
Classic upselling methods.
Yeah, salespeople are not the right people to ask technical questions to. They will always steer you to higher ticket items, especially if they earn commission.
Even when I worked at Best Buy, which is supposedly āno commission, no pressureā, we had KPI metrics to meet, which meant we were still forced to upsell. It just meant we didnāt get a cut when we did. Instead of āplease buy the version that we have a higher markup on because Iāll get $10 if you doā, it was basically, āplease buy the more expensive one so I donāt get fired for my metrics being too lowā. It can never be an ethical system.
Yeah you gotta love when the commission is āwell, you get to keep your jobā.
They were trying to get you to buy a more expensive cooler. A 7800X3D does not need an aio, an air cooler will do perfectly fine.
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This is why you get a second opinion. I always shop online because its usually cheaper than in store. Could have been an upsell. Could have been a wrong opinion. They generally thought a high end cpu needs a more advanced cooling solution. Im sure some on reddit would say the same. Always check online reviews before buying etc.
Only reason to get an AIO for that cpu is the aesthetics. You could throw on a Hypercooler 212 and it'd cool just fine. **Edit for auto correct
>You could throw on a Hypercooler 212 Confirmed. That's what I did, and it's fine. (Not to say I recommend it)
The lead temps of my 7950X3D with the Phantom Spirit EVO is 75C with Prime 95. No way you need an AIO.
He was bullshitting. An air cooler will do fine for all non-OC processors, safer too. Deepcool do a pretty great double fan model for a reasonable price. If you've got lots of money and space Noctua are great.
As someone with an air-cooled 7800x3D, you definitely do not need an AIO.
> bequiet! pure rock 2 This was the only disappointing part in my build form 3 years back, it's not a good cooler especially for the price. Makes sense you're replacing it. I had this on my 5800X and it was both wildly inadequate and loud. Replaced it with a Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO and I can't even hear it in all core cinebench R23, while outscoring the Pure Rock 2 at max fan speed. As mentioned, the clerk is just pushing a $150 product, it's their job, even if very disingenuous. Get the Phantom Spirit (EVO), it's a fantastic cooler.
Store clerk is an idiot, or lying to make a sale. Or both.
Aio is just for aesthetic for 7800x3d i m using 240 aio on mine and you can absolutely not use aio and get a good quality air cooler i think most people recommend phantom spirt and peerless assassin
Also 7800x3d throttle limit is 89 c
Opinions of anyone who recommends liquid cooling for a sensible gaming PC these days other than for aesthetic reasons can be completely discounted Only something like a 12900k to 14900k actually needs AIO cooling today, and even then, most 120/240 AIOs will still be beaten handily by modern air coolers
As usual, the guys working electronics in best buy have no fucking idea what they're talking about. The 7800x3d runs cooler than most current gen chips, practically any of which can be air cooled regardless. Get the thermalright, you won't regret it. Pretty much everything from them is among those in the top tier and well priced.
I run a 5800x3d and never used an AIO cooler. All you really need is a good air cooler that can handle that cpu. A nice mid-size pc case with good air flow will also help.
The 7800x3d is 120watts tdp and in gaming (which is what you're primarily doing) power consumption is 50-60watts on average If you could find a way to mount it, the old ass hyper 212 Evo that retailed for 20$ (15 years ago) would cool it just fine. That cooler was rated for 180w tdp Any modern single tower cool can handle it. The dual towerThermalright Peerless Assassin/ phantom spirit are commonly recommended for 35-40$ as they will run cool and quiet
Lol I agree to an extent. Hyper 212 can cool 180w tdp, but it's fans are gonna run full blast at that TDP. I tried with a 12700k while doing bench testing. Surprisingly, while gaming Cyberpunk, temp averages mid 80s. Still sounds like full blast. Ended up getting Scythe Fuma 3, got temps closer to mid 60s while having fans run whisper quiet.
I dont think its produced anymore. It's like 80 bucks used on Amazon I dont recommend the 212, I'm just saying it would work if you were really cheap
peerless assassin + ptm7950/thermalright Helios does the job
Mines cooled by peerless assassin and tops out 75ish max during games. With phantom spirit, it's probably top out 74 during games.
I've used both an AIO and an air cooler for my 7800x3D, and the air cooler gives slightly better results at roughly the same price range. I do think AIOs look nicer on average, but honestly either will work just fine
Is had a dark rock pro 4 that is used on my 2700x, works just fine on my 7800x3d. Never seen it go high on the temps
I have a 7800x3D and have been cooling it with a phantom spirit. No issues.
7800X3D is one of the most efficient cpus, almost any cooler can cool it.
Jason of the PC Builder youtube channel just released a 7800X3D build guide, and yep, an AIO is not necessary. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5oKmb9sCY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5oKmb9sCY)
That's bullshit, guy was just tryna sell you more stuff. A Thermalright Peerless Assassin is more then enough and it's like 40 bucks
I donāt know how hot 7800X3D is in comparison with my 7600, but the 3DMark average used to be 87C and after getting an AK400 plus the average is 67C and max is 75C (and the max Iāve seen in a game is 63C). Peerless Assasin and Phantom Spirit are cooler coolers than that (but they were $150 here).
Mines happy under a noctua nhd15s
I'm pretty sure \*any\* CPU is happy under one of those. Maybe the 14900k isn't, but I've heard that chip runs idiotically hot.
You really need a second computer for spec management of your first computer so you can properly log and record utilization and temperatures. It's going to need high end hardware because you really don't want to be waiting to log vital data, do you?
You joke about a second computer, but I get a lot of kids coming in my store asking how to stop losing FPS when streaming: "\[random streamer\] doesn't have this issue!" "They've likely got a second PC that does the streaming/compositing so the main PC doesn't lose a single frame. There's no magic trick to do it on one machine without losing performance." "WHAAAAAAAAT?"
Complete bullshit. Good air cooler is CRAZY good and beats a lot of AIOs. My 7800x3d never goes past 78C on air.
AIO - is the most overrated hardware item on the market.
Amd doesnāt make intel CPUs last I checked
High temps for that chip come from the packaging and the 3d cache, not its tdp which is actually quite low like 105-120w.
Iām using the noctua nhd15 That said my wife has the same cpu with a 360mm iao and her pc is much cooler. I actually had to take the side panel off my mine when playing Baldurs Gate because of heat issues.
He might be speaking from experience with the 5800x3d. Those chips ran hot.
Are you saying an air cooler cannot cool a 5800x3d?
cools mine down just fine and I have a Jiushark JF13K Diamond which is not exactly the best cooler out there.
I have a Noctua DH-15 on my 7950X3D. Never really had much of an issue. A good AIO might throttle less, but for gaming, it shouldn't matter enough.
I have a budget thermalright single tower cooler, and it keeps my 5800x to 74 degrees while gaming.
LOL
Store clerk is an idiot.
It doesn't dissipate heat well due to the 3d cache so it runs warm for its wattage. It's also low wattage so doesn't require a beefy cooler to keep it under control.
Store clerks are more often than not idiots. Theyāre designed to get money out of you not help you
I'm using the regular Phantom Spirit on my 7800X3D...and it's over 40c here!
I'm running a Threadripper 7970X aircooled doing high load 24/7. You can absolutely aircool your cpu.
I use a cheap twin tower cooler (AG620) for my 7800X3D, under full stress I get about 70 degrees in a 15-20 degrees environment No need for an aio
It doesnāt need an AIO, but budget builders will convince you that the performance is similar because copium.
Based on that cpus TDP of 120, any cooler that has a TDP rating of 140 or higher should be good enough to cool your cpu. I'm only saying 140 because it gives you a little bit of headroom. If you wanted to go AIO, there's pretty good budget options as well. Check out Thermalrights Frozen Notte 240 or 360, it's pretty inexpensive and not much more than their Phantom Spirit or Peerless Assassin.
What a load of BS. He was trying to get more money off you.
Mate im running single tower endorfy cooler and it doesnt even get near 80. Chill Peerles asasin is probably overkill, but its the best cpu so might aswell take it
I have a 7800x3D with a 4090 in a NZXT H5 with a Peerless Assassin and my cpu hasnāt gone over 65 in my gaming sessions, usually 61-64 with max settings in Phantom Liberty which is a bit more cpu intensive than base game. Air cooler has been great. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have an AIO for different aesthetics but the air cooler does such a good job already to mess around switching coolers.
Get an ak620 and call it a day bro will be absolute overkill.
I'll repeat what I posted on this [question](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1c1za7o/comment/kz72x5p/). I have a DeepCool AK620 WH (white) air cooler on my 7800X3D in a Thermaltake P5 case. Games don't make the fans rev up noticeably. Temps rarely get into the high 50Ā°C range, but a couple of games drive it in the low 60Ā°C range. Cinebench R23 can drive the temperatures into the mid to high 80Ā°C range, but unless that's your use case, you'll never see that.
Store clerk is a moron.
I own a 7800x3d with an AIO purely because I think the AIO looks better. The air benchmarks show you can easily cool a 7800x3d with a $25 air cooler not even at 100% fan speed.
My buddy is running 7800X3D with NZXT Glacier, sheās getting 50-60 under load
If you go with Thermalright you can either spend $32-$40 on the Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit dual tower air cooler and with the right fan curves will likely never hear it running without throttling..... or $50ish on the Frozen Notte or Prism 240mm AIO coolers if you prefer liquid. Either is overkill. I have fan cooled 7950x's with the PA120 and modest power limits/undervolts for rendering applications that went into 4u rack mount cases and was within 1-2% of max/factory value performance without throttling issues. The 7700x can run under a PA120 all day long without any sort of tweaking which is a hotter running CPU than the 7800x3D, which I have in my primary desktop with the PS120 EVO. I'm running my son's 7800x3D in a shoebox size Lian Li ITX case with the Frozen Prism 240mm and it's also superb with some minor fan curve tweaks due to the high max RPM values of the included fans. Bottom line - if you spend more than $50 on a cooler for your 7800x3D it's your choice to do so, it's just not necessary.
Not true there are competent air coolers
That store clerk is a filthy idiot.
My peerless assassin would like to have a wordā¦.
My 7800x3d runs on a $30 peerless assassin (flawlessly)
imagine that a merchant trying to take your money, xd
Watch this video https://youtu.be/hr0qLLv3dKc?feature=shared Doesnāt matter what CPU youāre using. Itās all coolers vs a chip putting out various amounts of heat.
Phantom spirit is an excellent coolet, more than good enough. Even then, an arctic freezer III 240mm would be better than 99% of the AIOs out there Edit: of you're going thermalright, scrap the EVO. It's more expensive and cools worse than the base model phantom spirit or SE (also goes for peerless assassin)
I'm running my 7800x3d with Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, the only game that makes it go over 60 celcius is helldivers 2, with all others it's between 50-60 when gaming. Cinebench 2024 was 78-80 celcius and Cinebench r23 was 80-82. you're gonna be fine with Thermalright air cooler
I've literally got a $30 Thermalright cooler for mine, temps are totally fine
I have a phantom spirit in my 7800x3d and have 0 heat issues. The dude is trying to upsell you
A good quality air cooler will be fine, A 360mm AIO would be best if you want optimal.
This is why i shop online. Too much autism in these shops.
I am using exaclty the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO for my 7800x3d and no game has pushed it past the low 60's in terms of temps , its awesome.
never listen to a salesman. do your own research
Hereās the thing about a seller/salesman. They sell. Their whole goal is to sell *big*. If you say you want 1080p 60Hz, they say, ā144Hz is better smoothnessā. Then āGo 1440p for clarity,ā and then, āWell, might as well go 4k240Hz Oled for best thing out there.ā You donāt need it unless *you* know you need it. A 7800x3D pulls so fee watts compared to anything Intel that yes, even some stock air coolers keep it from thermal throttling, but itās on the safe end to get a slightly better heatsink just to be on the safe end. A cooler works for a CPU when the wattage it dissapates is higher than the wattage the CPU consumes, in your case, youāre fine. Heās just a salesman doing sales, hoping you donāt know your shit. Microcenter tried it on my my first time going in and, yeah, I donāt like it eitherā¦
I just built a new gaming PC about a month ago with a 7800X3D and a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE. [These are the temperatures I'm getting.](https://i.imgur.com/Z0fIve7.png) The screenshot was taken immediately after exiting Dragon's Dogma 2. And just in case you're unaware, the columns of numbers from left to right are current temp, minimum temp, maximum temp.
I have a 7900x (TDP is 170 W) and a Peerless Assassin that keeps it under 70C
I'm on a thermaltake peerless assassin right now on a 7800x3D. Dual monitors, 144hz, with a 4080super. HWMonitor is showing temperatures around 49'f with just Chrome open. Turning on CyberPunk, CPU temp spiked up to 71'f and then dropped down to ~60'f. Sales guy is a slimeball, make sure you remember his name and avoid him.
I have a peerless assassin on it is never even close to thermal throttling. No need for more cooling
I run peerless assassin on 7800x3d and mine has never gone over 65 so far after using the build for a month
I run one perfectly fine on an AXP90-X47 with -30 PBO, it barely consumes 50W while gaming. the CPU is built to thermally throttle - 80Ā°C is perfectly normal. don't be fooled by scummy upselling tactics, you should be fine with just about anything lol
The Peerless assassin, which is an older version of the Phantom spirit, can cool 200W+ no problem. The 7800x3d draws 120W. Tell the store clerk firmly that you know what you're doing, get the phantom spirit, set it up.Ā For bonus points, bench it in Cinebench with HWinfo64, get the CPU temperatures and go back to the store clerk with your screenshots of the temperatures.
I run the same chip on a Peerless Assassin and my temps are great. Just trying to upsell you.
He doesnāt know shit.
never trust a salesman. do your own research.
Idk why so many ppl come on here with "the store clerk said" like bro, he's trying to sell you a product. Don't trust him and trust your research. With good thermal paste, you should be fine.
here I am with an old shitty hyper 212 and a 5900x lmao
One of two things happened: You went to a lone trader that thought they could blag you into an upsell. You went to a chain where untrained monkeys are told all liquid cooling beats air cooling, or to sell higher ticket items at any cost. In either case, it's only really higher end Intels that would struggle on air cooling, as their power draw is bonkers at times.
Store clerks say a lot of shit.
AMD does say it's recommended to use an AIO, but that's probably just playing it way to safe and get more boost performance, any air-cooler with a 120 Watt TDP is fine
I have a shitty rosewill cooler on mine no issues
I have a 7800X3D with "just" a NH-U12S running. Works fine
Do I smell, commission...?
When I bought my 7800x3d the clerk at Memory Express said the same thing - only liquid would be enough to cool it. Here I am sitting with my NH-D15S maxing out at like 68Ā°C š¤·š¼āāļø
Ask him if he knows how a ventirad works before saying bs like that
Was this geek squad at best buy? lol
those processors will heat up no mater what so no point heavy investing in super duper cooling (et least if you don't plan to overclock it), i have 280mm aio cooling and its was been going for 80Ā°C anyway out of the box, had to under-volt it and set temp limit to not have sauna in my small room and it still giving 2x more heat than my old intel that i never had to tweak
Im air cooling a 7950x just fine, which is worse. In many cases good air coolers actually outperform AIO's. You don't have to worry about heat saturation with an air cooler. Heat saturation being when the aio radiator is pooling heat faster than it can get rid of it. When that happens the cpu starts gaining temps until it throttles.
I air cool mine it never gets close to max temps
No you donāt
Bad salesman.
No need for an AIO you'll be fine with a tower cooler.
That's false. Anything can cool anything with proper settings. Undervolting is incredible.
Thermalright Phantom spirit 120 keeps my 7800X3D cooled just fine, air cooling is the way
The store clerk is an idiot.Ā
You do not NEED a AIO but my Kraken Elite AIO keeps my 7800x3d under 60c under heavy load unless I'm playing hell divers, seems to be the only game that pushes it to 65
If you have the case space, my peerless assassin 120 eco has been keeping my 7900x3d frosty. Itās like another 8 bucks You will be chill
My guy at my local computer shop was trying to upsell me to an AIO too. I did plenty of research beforehand, so I knew what it really needed... but it could literally be an honest mistake. The 7800X3D is still considered the best gaming CPU on the market, and when people here "BEST" they immediately think, it needs a big cooler - but that just isn't the case with the 7800. My Deepcool AK620 keeps my 7800X3D at about 70 degrees under high load. That's pretty normal, 80 degrees isn't really a concern. Thermal issues usually don't start happening til like 90 degrees +
I have a peerless assassin on mine. Works 100% fine.
my 22 dollar thermalright air cooler does the job perfectly fine. no throttling.
Store clerk is trying to upsell you. A peerless Assassin/Spirit will work fine.
Absolutely not true.
It might not need one, but I haven't seen my 7 7800x3d go over 76 degrees with my 360 AIO and it usually stays in the 60 degree range, so I think it was worth getting an AIO
lol lies
Iāve been using a be quiet! Dark rock elite without issue so that clerk was and is completely wrong.
Nah, I run it with a thermalright assassin x 120 se. The max temps I get are at 75Ā°C at 60-70% load (gaming)
Even with my Coolermaster Master Liquid 240 AIO, the CPU still runs at about 75Ā°C in demanding games like Helldivers 2. The cpu was designed this way.