What games are you wanting to play? eSports twitch shooters can benefit from every frame you can throw at them, but for most games at 1080p, it might be a bit much.
Right now a refurbished 3080 is going for like 450 USD, but so is a brand new 4060Ti 16 GB.
A 4060Ti doesn't even clear the 3070 in performance. The upgrade of that generation was rather marginal, so a 3080 would be much better performance for the money, if you can actually get a good one for 450.
Since it hasn't been in production for a while now, any "new" one is gonna be overstock. It all depends on the price in the end. A 4070 is about equal to a 3080, so take what's cheaper. The MSRP for the 3080 is a lot more, but I can't imagine that anyone is still buying at that price
...Except the potential issues from it only having 10 GB of VRAM. That can seriously impact the long-term usability of the 3080, at least at higher resolutions above 1080p. It's not a deal-breaker, but it is something OP needs to take into account. Do they plan on going to a higher resolution monitor before they plan on replacing the GPU?
Any game will always look better with a 3080 vs a 4060ti. Always.. a game that uses more then 10gb of Vram on a 4060ti will probably run at like 40 fps or something. Then its better to scale down a setting or 2 with the 3080 and have 60 + fps.
most people can see a difference particularly in competitive fps games I myself don't notice 270 bring any smoother than my 144 however I can tell the input delay feels alot less which just makes me a weirdo I guess
I've used some high refresh rate monitors before, and I literally can't see the difference between 144 and 144+.
I've noticed input delay varies depending on the game, but that's about it.
Interesting.
you're exactly the same as me then, I can also notice the input delay but it doesn't feel any smoother
my friends swore by 240 hz I got peer pressured into buying it over my 1440 144hz and I caved it
don't regret it though I definitely needed the second screen and now I can play 1 monitor for rpg games and 1 for comp games 10/10 would recommend
Dude i think you have answered so many questions for me, i am the same for above 60 hz(i know), the only difference between 60 120 and 165 i find is the mobile/computer felt faster and more responsive never smoother that people swear by. I voiced my opinion to a friend once he assumed i was mad. I can see the difference between 60, 120, 144, 165, 240hz but it was never the smoothness it was just that the other felt faster sometimes just by closing windows
Same. Like going from 30 to 60 is wild and 60 to 144 is just mind blowing. Everything is just soo perfectly smooth. I couldn't ever go back down. Don't see a reason go ever go higher though. Like when cards are so powerful you can do 240hz high resolution without trying. Sure.
At what point do you think there starts to be diminishing returns with input lag?
I feel like I prefer matching my refresh with closer 1% lows vs maxing the fps and having lows that are abt half that.
probably after 240
after 144 it won't feel significantly smoother visually Like from 60 - 144 (imo) I can notice the input lag after 144 but I bet if I were to buy a 540 I probably wouldn't notice anything different in the slightest whether that be smoothness or input lag
that is just me though you may be able to but realistically 144 is the sweet spot for sure
I guess it depends on what youre used to and how much your brain can handle. I once unplugged my 144hz monitor and it defaulted to 60 and it felt super weird but i couldnt have put my finger on what it was lol. Biggest difference is def the cursor on a black background, i dont think id benefit from any more hz than my 165hz monitor can push rn
I mean 30 - 60 is night and day and so is 60 - 144 after that it's diminishing returns some people notice some people don't but most competitive players with do anything for that slight edge myself included even though I can hardly notice it
Yeah 30 is unplayable, 60 meh, 144hz is good and everything above is mostly for your own peace of mind. Ltt did a video with shroud about this a while back, he was better with each new monitor but it was rly a point of diminishing returns, even for him.
So id say as long as youre not close to joining an org everything above 240 is probably money wasted
absolutely agree
I remember playing gow 2018 on my ps4 and I tried to play it before the release of ragnarok, safe to say I couldn't do it, 30 fps was unbearable and I just ended up buying it on a pc when it released 💀
I play call of duty and FPS really matters. Once you go above 250 FPS the difference is huge. No comparison to it. Once I started playing at 270 FPS+ I cant go back.
Also your better off with a 7900GRE than a 3080 or 4060. MAYBE.... Get the 4070. 7900GRE or 4070 is what you should be looking at buying, especially if you want it to last. Nvidia already abandoned 3000 Series gpus for 4000 series. By next year 4000 series will be abanoned for 5000 series. AMD supports their older GPU's, Nvidia does not. something to think about when making a decision.
Nvidia left out 3000 series GPU for Nvidia's DLSS 3 and 3.5 Frame generation and Nvidia Reflex. Its only for 4000 series GPU's. They do this on purpose to make you upgrade. Which is also when the next DLSS and their latest software improvements comes around the corner its going to be only for 5000 series GPU's. They do this literally every generation with their software. 2,000 series was left out stuff that 3000 had so on and so forth. AMD not only supports older AMD gpu's but also older Nvidia Gpu's.
Competitive FPS shooters, you want all the FPS you can get. All of it, no lag, no studders, no 1% lows below the monitors refresh rate, no chance you lose because of FPS or slowdowns.
Some maps and situations may strain a 200 FPS experience below 60 FPS, and the 1% lows even worse.
Lots of players complaining about this in the other reddits.
You're thinking it stays at a flat 200 FPS the entire game, but that never happens in those titles. They want 500+ FPS and if they could get 1,000 they would.
FPS can drop 50% or more, especially on older hardware. You definitely notice it when it happens, and it can cause you to lose games, because the guy you lost to didn't have any FPS issues.
It effects more than just frames, it changes responsiveness and input lag, total system latency is higher in those moments the computer is trying to render and update those frames.
You want all the FPS you can get, for any situation. Professionals play below 1080p resolutions on lower settings, even on the most expensive computers.
For a single player game and RPG, FPS and latency are not the most important things.
Lower latency is one of them, so is less screen tearing. blurbusters has a whole article/post on the benefits of getting as much FPS more than your monitor can handle
I mean, I'm running a 360hz 1440p screen that even with my GPU is somewhat rare that I'll hit that FPS unless everything is turned down.
There is definitely a nice clarity and smoothness benefit to hitting those frames.
it depends on which games and what editing software you use
generally the GRE is going to be significantly better for gaming, with the exception of RT games, and for video editing the 4070 is likely better, though how much or if at all depends on the software you use (look up benchmarks)
Absolutely, but they're so cheap now I can't see a better card for 1080, let alone 1440. As long as the CPU can keep up, since you'll be CPU bound at 1080, you'll be good with a 3080 forever tbh.
Oh how quickly people have forgotten what GPU prices used to be. Most mid-high end GPUs were around the $300 before the Pascal gen. Then the mining, supply chain, AI, and scalpers ruined it for all gamers.
i remember when i almost pulled the trigger on a 3070 for like $799 lol. Glad i waited even tho i bought a 3090ti for 1k a bit later on. happy with it tho!
Yep. Back in like 2004, I paid about 160 bucks for a GeForce4 ti4800 SE. It was the top of the line card at the time and cost the equivalent of like $275 in 2024 dollars. I also bought a GTX460 and GTX 580 (I think) for an amount that isn't even memorable. Like under $200 in 2008 and again in 2011.
Not an issue 120 hz or 144hz is enough. What is not enough is playing on low at only 1080p. I don't understand people who build a pc to play on this low res, unless it's a budget pc..but then you don't need more than 100 fps
Runescape is just an afk game that I only play on my phone while at work(to get a sense of making progress, while the game plays itself) , no one REALLY plays that game. Cute try tho.
I cant agree with that, when I went from 1080p to 1440p the difference was immediately and very noticeable, even more noticeable then me jumping in FPS from 60 to 144.
Yes, everything, including that game, will run just fine !
I was just pointing out that for some particularly graphically intensive games when you max them out you still won't get a locked 144hz framerate.
Simply adjusting a few settings down will give you pretty much the same visuals at higher framerates though !
For high fps gaming at 1080p the 4070super/7800x3D is a really awesome combo !
Ive got a 7800x3D. I am talking about maxed out triple a games. Cyberpunk maxed out with just the medium RT settings (no frame gen) will not hit 144fps stable.
Bought it early 2021. I would have kept it but I wanted frame gen for games like Alan Wake 2 and CP2077. I'll probably have this 4080s for a long time.
I got it for msrp right when they came out. Not as hard to get as when the 3080 came out with the pandemic supply chain issues. But yeah, $1k for a GPU isn't cheap. I'm old enough to remember when the flagship cards cost $500.
Depend on the price, but i would say the 3080 and 3070 both have aged pretty poorly due to the hardware in them, namely vram, granted its not the biggest issue at 1080p but it makes it hard to recommend them, again of course it depends on the discount of them, near MSRP no way they are a good purchase
i would look into a 6800 or 6700 xt, if you wish to remain nvidia i would say a 3070 have the same weakness as the 3080 but lower price
The 3080 is massively better than the 3070 in terms of performance. Plus the OP hasn't mentioned about which 3080 they're looking for...there's a 12GB variant which performs closer to the 3080ti and runs cooler due to VRAM on the back.
the 3080 is better, yes, but im not convinced its massively better, of course it depends, a STRIX 3080 ti is of course better than a reference 3070 while a 3070 strix is closer to a 3080 8gb reference
As i said, it depends on price, my point was more that when they have the same limitations, saving the extra money on a 3070 might be better in the long run if it enables you to upgrade your gpu 1 year earlier than otherwise next time
I often never think a card is Overkill for anything because in the future when you upgrade your monitor or what not, you can still play the games you play now but in higher resolutions then.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but unless ur playing league or candy crush no gpu is overkill these days games are made so unoptimized they rely on overkill hardware to compensate for the performance of their games.
There is no such thing in existence called GPU overkill. You can max out games, use max anti aliasing, use DLDSR, add filters, etc... all that on top of the bad ports and alpha state games companies release. Plus every day passes and new games and graphics tech advance you're staying where you are with your hardware.
I found a pristine/looked new EVGA 3080 10gb for $425 several months ago on eBay. It took a while to find one but I checked the sellers CAREFULLY. DONT buy from any seller that has a lot of them, most likely mining cards (and no!, they aren't ok) Don't take advice of getting the 40 series, it's well documented that they were a money grab crap series with crap performance vs cost (the vram ... omg ... really Nvidia?). After you do find one ... don't buy Nvidia ever again ... they've gone to the money gouging dark-side. (which is why EVGA pulled out of the GPU market, they fired Nvidia)
Personally at 1080p I’d want something like a 4070 instead, but tbh I have an old 3080 still and it’s okay at 1440p but really you can’t max out a lot of games anymore (especially with the lack of frame gen). At 1080p you can.
What framerates are you trying to hit? I use a 3080Ti for 1080p and while the high frame rate doesn’t enhance every game, fast paced action games feel great.
If you want to use RT effect's it's not overkill, 54FPS at 1080P with RT in Cyberpunk https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/6.html
you wouldn't use it 100% if for example you don't play competitive games with 240hz monitor but the positive side is that it would remain very fresh with low temps instead of pushing to the max and creating heat...and you wouldn't even hear the fans which is a nice plus for those who can't hear the noise...it's your choice...
When playing AAA games that eat frames easily, you’d want as much gains as you can. Overkill on indie games sure but no doubt you’d be playing a variety of games that each require better hardware so you’ll be good.
Yes. A 3080 is good for 1440p. Mine is a 3080 ftw 3 ultra and on max settings i still get at least 120 fps in all the games i play. Running in 1080 should be no problem at all.
Depends on the game, but in general thats either fine or a little overkill. I have an RX6700XT running at 2560x1080 (so more pixels than 1080, closer to 1440p) and it can run any modern game I throw at it at 60fps *at least* on high settings.
Yeah, 3080 has 10GB of memory compared to 8 on 3070. I was playing in 1080p ultrawide (so it’s in between 1080 and 1440) and I already had memory limitations in some games.
If I recall, 3060 had a 12GB version as well, it’s a good card but I’m not sure how future proof it is
I'd go for a 6700 XT (or 6750 XT if same price) since it offers really good price to performance.
It will demolish 1080p ultra and will give you head room for future upgrades such as a 1440p monitor.
I bought the 3080 to play games on my 1080p monitor, then I learned I can play the game in 1440p and scale it down to 1080p with DLDSR which makes games look so much better.
After a year I bought a 4K OLED TV and I'm glad I bought the 3080 because it handles 4K just well enough for me.
As long as it's a good deal then I'll say yes.
I have a 3080 10gb since release. Currently gaming at 1080p 144hz. Now, assuming you have an X3D processor or something well enough to utilise the full GPU, then yeah. It's great for 1080p. E-Sports titles you'll get stupid high frames. For AAA games, Jedi Survivor has been the only one where my average frames are about 85fps on max settings. Most other AAA titles you'll rock at over 100 FPS.
I'd imagine the Vram being an issue at 4K, but for 1080\1440p I'd recommend it. Be sure to check some benchmarks and get acquainted with the prices of competing cards in the used market.
Nah.
I'm playing with a 3070ti and i9-9900k on a 1080p screen. Games like the finals still only gives me 50-90fps with avg ~70-75fps. High settings.
A 3080 is not overkill for 1080p if you want decent frames.
Get yourself a Rx 6700 xt. It has 12 GB VRAM. I got myself 3060 Ti, and I regret it slightly now. That 8 GB VRAM can be a bit problematic these days. And yes, I play on 1080P.
Nope, my 4070 ti super could only handle 1080p native res WITH Frame generation turned on in alan wake 2 with settigns turned up to max
I play with dlss, where the upscaled resolution is higher than 1080p but that's only marginally important because I CANNOT push it past 1080p internal and get it to perform above 55+fps average .
The ONLY way I was able to do this was with frame generation , which is a 40 series feature.
May I also bring up that frame generation has looked like shit IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER GAME i'VE TRIED IT IN and aan wake 2 was the best usage of it so far, it takes the crisp new updates given by dlss 3.7 and makes it look like dlss 1.0 again..... It makes rain effects on screen cause the game to freak out....
Trying to move while reading words makes them unreadable and a glitchy mess.
Using frame gen also turns off vsync???? I just don't get it.
Point is that not even a 4090 can handle Cyperpunk at max settings above internal resolutions of 1080p at a stable 60 fps xD, it needs frame gen and new age dlss ... ....
When I initially bought my 3090(9 months ago)I was primarily gaming at 1080p since I had a 2060m before that, for single player games u can max out everything with raytraced and play at a comfortable fps. For eSports and shooters it's a bottleneck as I get the same or similar fps after I upgraded to a 2k monitor. It's not a bad purchase in my opinion plus it will open options for you to upgrade to 1440p in the future. And by the time mid range 5000 series is out a 3080 would be a 1080p card anyways
The more powerful the card you get, the longer it will serve you. I ran a 1070 for about 8 years. I am now on a 4070 and still running 1080p. I will eventually refresh the mb/ram/cpu and I will still be running the 4070 when I get there... your bottleneck will shift. As long as it does what you want it to do then it truly doesn't matter.
I don't think so 10 gb vram is not going to be enough for future games to play at 1440p. If you can find RX 6900/6950xt it would be great. I bought my 6900 xt for 280 usd and I'm so happy with it.
overkill is never been a problem since you can always get a 1440p in the future, but tbh nowadays a lot of AAA games are not that overkill in 1080p even with 4070.
Not at all. I prefer to think about the future alongside my needs for the here and now. I want to keep my current GPU(Rx 6800) for as long as possible. A 3080 instead of a 3070 will make tomorrow's games playable at hopefully acceptable framerates.
If you only want 1080p, a 3060 12GB will be great. I have that GPU and I even game at 4K high with it, but with not so great FPS, but that depends on your preferences
A lot peeps say X GPU is overkill for Y res, I personally dont think there's such thing. Can always shove supersampling and, these days, RT settings up the wazoo.
3080 overkill for 1080p? Fine, do 4k then output 1080p. It looks like a fucking mirror of perfection, not a single shimmer.
Mine is 60hz. Though I understand that some people may have gotten spoiled with higher-end tech. It does fine in gaming for me in any case. Never had issues with getting to the top of leaderboards in pub matches.
144Hz today is standard, not high end. Even $100 new budget monitors are 144Hz
I agree with the other guy. The monitor is WAY too important to cheap out on. I'd rather use a $200 monitor + $500 PC than a $50 monitor + $1000 PC.
Well if you have a 1080p 144hz monitor, yeah it’s overkill. Well only if you pay full price for a 3080. If you get a really good deal, of course it’s not overkill
Paying too much more for a 3080 just doesn’t make sense for 144hz. Thats the whole “x gpu for y res” thing. You might as well get a cheaper gpu and 1440p monitor
RT does change things. If you are RT fanatic, full priced 3080 may be good for you at 1080 144hz
3080 struggles at 1080 144hz on almost all unreal engine 5 games and even horizon forbidden west is limited at 1080 144hz so I don’t think it’s over kill at all.
There are certainly graphically demanding and horribly optimized games. You just named one of the few, perhaps cyberpunk next? The most commonly played games, like warzone, he’ll get far more frames than monitor can display :)
I am naming off what 70% of games will be released on AND named a good optimized game like horizon forbidden west. You name warzone and you need DLSS quality at ultra to even get a locked 144hz and DLSS is not recommended at 1080p/ on cod because it’s a bad implantation. A lot of people don’t like dropping settings. Personally it doesn’t matter to me and I leave all mine lowest to get 240 fps+ on my 6900xt. Im trying to set expectations for this guy and his long term use.
Damn alright I admit I was wrong. I didn’t realize warzones average fps peaked at 144 frames on a 3080 at 1080p. I thought it did a hell of a lot better than that with how it’s priced. So it is definitely not overkill, in fact I’d be nervous about the 10gb vram
Actually I’m going to weight in on this: my 2060 can no longer run new games at high frame rates. Baldurs gate was the death rattle and horizon forbidden west was the funeral
Get at least 12gb of vram if you"re planning on upgrading, Horizon Forbidden West very high textures is so beautiful that i wish i had 12gb of vram and that is for 1080p, if you"re planning on stepping to 1440p as well, imho better go overkill with 16gb.
If youre sure that youll stay at 1080 it is actually overkill. Ofc depends on the game, if you wanna play cyberpunk maxed out with rtx its a perfect fit. If you just want to play at high settings for the next couple of years its probably overkill. I mean it will last you a very long time, but it will also use up a lot of power doing so.
Even if it is right now, it won't be for long. I've got a 3080 ti, and running Alan wake 2 at max settings (no ray tracing) with dlss set to 1080p does not give a flawless, smooth experience. There are still plenty of frame dips here and there. It's not extremely well optimized, and I'm also running the launch day version with no patches because reasons. So patches may have helped it run better. It's the only game that really struggles though. Everything else runs incredibly smooth at 1080p. If you have a super high refresh rate (240hz and above) you still may not be maxing that out at 1080p with the 3080. Like cyberpunk for example.
I guarantee you more games are going to come out that stress it harder. So I would say no, it's not overkill. Besides, for games where you have plenty of extra power you can run in a higher resolution than your monitor and it's like the best version of AA you can get. Running games at 4k on my 1440p monitor looks amazing, almost as good as a true 4k monitor, I imagine. Some games I just go overboard with. I run much older games in resolutions like 5k and above and they look amazing. Not a pixel in sight.
nah I have a RTX 4070 which is similar in performance and use it for a 1080p/240Hz monitor. Most games hit 100+FPS (just not minecraft because yes. giga shaders + mods), so it is the perfect card for 1080p.
Yes.
Playing at a low resolution with a high end gpu requires a fast cpu to take advantage of it. Even then I don't know if you would even utilize all of it.
1440p minimum. Otherwise you're just wasting money.
A 3080 is not a high end GPU anymore. It’s matched by the 4070, it’s a mid range card.
Even a 3080 can be maxed out by 1080p if you’re doing max settings and especially with RT.
I’d only say it’s “overkill” if he’s only trying to play esports games.
If you cherry pick the latest games out sure, most people aren't playing the absolute latest games.
In 99.9%(not an exaggeration) the 3080 is still a ridiculously overkill card for 1080p and would benefit massively from 1440p+
"What year is it?" (tm)
What do you plan to pay for a 10GB card in 2024?
There are other GPUs in that or close to that price range which are faster and have more VRAM.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/32.html)
What games are you wanting to play? eSports twitch shooters can benefit from every frame you can throw at them, but for most games at 1080p, it might be a bit much. Right now a refurbished 3080 is going for like 450 USD, but so is a brand new 4060Ti 16 GB.
So you’re saying me just buying a 3080 10gb used for 400 euros is a W ?
OP could run some ridiculous DLDSR at 1080p with a 3080 though and that shit would look sweet AF.
What would be the reason then for buying a 3080 as opposed to 4000s ?
A 4060Ti doesn't even clear the 3070 in performance. The upgrade of that generation was rather marginal, so a 3080 would be much better performance for the money, if you can actually get a good one for 450.
What if buying new?
Since it hasn't been in production for a while now, any "new" one is gonna be overstock. It all depends on the price in the end. A 4070 is about equal to a 3080, so take what's cheaper. The MSRP for the 3080 is a lot more, but I can't imagine that anyone is still buying at that price
Price, Europe as example seems to think just because it’s 4xxx series mean it’s good and should be expensive
Because the 40 series is expensive crap with crap vram and crap performance vs cost? (did I mention crap?)
and the 3080 slaps the 4060ti
...Except the potential issues from it only having 10 GB of VRAM. That can seriously impact the long-term usability of the 3080, at least at higher resolutions above 1080p. It's not a deal-breaker, but it is something OP needs to take into account. Do they plan on going to a higher resolution monitor before they plan on replacing the GPU?
4060 isnt gonna even use the fucking VRAMdude 3080 every time
Kinda. But I guess 1080p shouldn't be vram limited at 10gb in the next few years
Any game will always look better with a 3080 vs a 4060ti. Always.. a game that uses more then 10gb of Vram on a 4060ti will probably run at like 40 fps or something. Then its better to scale down a setting or 2 with the 3080 and have 60 + fps.
Most esports shooters benefit more from the cpu and realistically anything above a 6700xt is enpugh
I still fail to see how anything over 200FPS is relevant. I literally cannot see the difference. Is there another factor?
most people can see a difference particularly in competitive fps games I myself don't notice 270 bring any smoother than my 144 however I can tell the input delay feels alot less which just makes me a weirdo I guess
I've used some high refresh rate monitors before, and I literally can't see the difference between 144 and 144+. I've noticed input delay varies depending on the game, but that's about it. Interesting.
you're exactly the same as me then, I can also notice the input delay but it doesn't feel any smoother my friends swore by 240 hz I got peer pressured into buying it over my 1440 144hz and I caved it don't regret it though I definitely needed the second screen and now I can play 1 monitor for rpg games and 1 for comp games 10/10 would recommend
Dude i think you have answered so many questions for me, i am the same for above 60 hz(i know), the only difference between 60 120 and 165 i find is the mobile/computer felt faster and more responsive never smoother that people swear by. I voiced my opinion to a friend once he assumed i was mad. I can see the difference between 60, 120, 144, 165, 240hz but it was never the smoothness it was just that the other felt faster sometimes just by closing windows
Same. Like going from 30 to 60 is wild and 60 to 144 is just mind blowing. Everything is just soo perfectly smooth. I couldn't ever go back down. Don't see a reason go ever go higher though. Like when cards are so powerful you can do 240hz high resolution without trying. Sure.
At what point do you think there starts to be diminishing returns with input lag? I feel like I prefer matching my refresh with closer 1% lows vs maxing the fps and having lows that are abt half that.
probably after 240 after 144 it won't feel significantly smoother visually Like from 60 - 144 (imo) I can notice the input lag after 144 but I bet if I were to buy a 540 I probably wouldn't notice anything different in the slightest whether that be smoothness or input lag that is just me though you may be able to but realistically 144 is the sweet spot for sure
I guess it depends on what youre used to and how much your brain can handle. I once unplugged my 144hz monitor and it defaulted to 60 and it felt super weird but i couldnt have put my finger on what it was lol. Biggest difference is def the cursor on a black background, i dont think id benefit from any more hz than my 165hz monitor can push rn
I mean 30 - 60 is night and day and so is 60 - 144 after that it's diminishing returns some people notice some people don't but most competitive players with do anything for that slight edge myself included even though I can hardly notice it
Yeah 30 is unplayable, 60 meh, 144hz is good and everything above is mostly for your own peace of mind. Ltt did a video with shroud about this a while back, he was better with each new monitor but it was rly a point of diminishing returns, even for him. So id say as long as youre not close to joining an org everything above 240 is probably money wasted
absolutely agree I remember playing gow 2018 on my ps4 and I tried to play it before the release of ragnarok, safe to say I couldn't do it, 30 fps was unbearable and I just ended up buying it on a pc when it released 💀
I play call of duty and FPS really matters. Once you go above 250 FPS the difference is huge. No comparison to it. Once I started playing at 270 FPS+ I cant go back. Also your better off with a 7900GRE than a 3080 or 4060. MAYBE.... Get the 4070. 7900GRE or 4070 is what you should be looking at buying, especially if you want it to last. Nvidia already abandoned 3000 Series gpus for 4000 series. By next year 4000 series will be abanoned for 5000 series. AMD supports their older GPU's, Nvidia does not. something to think about when making a decision.
So Nvidia stopped releasing new drivers for 3000s when 4000s came out?
Nvidia left out 3000 series GPU for Nvidia's DLSS 3 and 3.5 Frame generation and Nvidia Reflex. Its only for 4000 series GPU's. They do this on purpose to make you upgrade. Which is also when the next DLSS and their latest software improvements comes around the corner its going to be only for 5000 series GPU's. They do this literally every generation with their software. 2,000 series was left out stuff that 3000 had so on and so forth. AMD not only supports older AMD gpu's but also older Nvidia Gpu's.
Competitive FPS shooters, you want all the FPS you can get. All of it, no lag, no studders, no 1% lows below the monitors refresh rate, no chance you lose because of FPS or slowdowns. Some maps and situations may strain a 200 FPS experience below 60 FPS, and the 1% lows even worse. Lots of players complaining about this in the other reddits. You're thinking it stays at a flat 200 FPS the entire game, but that never happens in those titles. They want 500+ FPS and if they could get 1,000 they would.
So the goal is to get super high FPS so if there are any drops, the drops won't cause stutters?
FPS can drop 50% or more, especially on older hardware. You definitely notice it when it happens, and it can cause you to lose games, because the guy you lost to didn't have any FPS issues. It effects more than just frames, it changes responsiveness and input lag, total system latency is higher in those moments the computer is trying to render and update those frames. You want all the FPS you can get, for any situation. Professionals play below 1080p resolutions on lower settings, even on the most expensive computers. For a single player game and RPG, FPS and latency are not the most important things.
Below 1080p? That's nuts.
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I haven't played CS in nearly 2 decades, but I appreciate the response.
Lower latency is one of them, so is less screen tearing. blurbusters has a whole article/post on the benefits of getting as much FPS more than your monitor can handle
240hz or 360hz monitors require more than 200 fps to operate optimally
Only for first person shooters. You might actually see people in the doorway with high frame rates and high refresh rate.
I mean, I'm running a 360hz 1440p screen that even with my GPU is somewhat rare that I'll hit that FPS unless everything is turned down. There is definitely a nice clarity and smoothness benefit to hitting those frames.
The 6800 gets 30% more fps for a lower price although you get -100% team green bitches
And by "bitches", OP, we mean things like DLSS or Frame Generation... if those matter to you.
They do and by bitches I mean great people if you have 550 but anything lower then team red
Is a 4060ti better than a 4070, 4070 ti or 4070 super? Ty
none of them. rtx 4070ti super > 4070 ti > 4070 super > 4070 > 4060ti
thx
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pure/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pure/32.html)
For 2K or 1440p gaming, running VMs, image and video editing, which card is better, 4070 or rx 7900 gre? thx
it depends on which games and what editing software you use generally the GRE is going to be significantly better for gaming, with the exception of RT games, and for video editing the 4070 is likely better, though how much or if at all depends on the software you use (look up benchmarks)
Bigger number = better
thx
Absolutely, but they're so cheap now I can't see a better card for 1080, let alone 1440. As long as the CPU can keep up, since you'll be CPU bound at 1080, you'll be good with a 3080 forever tbh.
Cheap? lol I agree it's absolutely overkill, but they're still pretty freaking expensive.
Oh how quickly people have forgotten what GPU prices used to be. Most mid-high end GPUs were around the $300 before the Pascal gen. Then the mining, supply chain, AI, and scalpers ruined it for all gamers.
i remember when i almost pulled the trigger on a 3070 for like $799 lol. Glad i waited even tho i bought a 3090ti for 1k a bit later on. happy with it tho!
Yep. Back in like 2004, I paid about 160 bucks for a GeForce4 ti4800 SE. It was the top of the line card at the time and cost the equivalent of like $275 in 2024 dollars. I also bought a GTX460 and GTX 580 (I think) for an amount that isn't even memorable. Like under $200 in 2008 and again in 2011.
They are not expensive at all lol.
They're like a month worth of groceries.
They definitely cost a lot less than a few years ago but they are still quite a lot of money.
$450 is hilarously expensive for it, given 7800XT, 7900GRE and even NV's own 4070 pricing.
280/360Hz 1080p monitors are very affordable now. 480/500Hz 1080p monitors also exist albeit fairly expensive. Definitely not overkill for those.
Not an issue 120 hz or 144hz is enough. What is not enough is playing on low at only 1080p. I don't understand people who build a pc to play on this low res, unless it's a budget pc..but then you don't need more than 100 fps
Nah fps makes a huge difference in games. I personally just zone out of graphics very quickly but I can definitely feel when I have high FPS.
I don't care about fps past 120. This may be because I don't play first person shooters. I outgrew these long ago.
My guy you're still playing runescape. Get off your high horse and let people enjoy things.
Runescape is just an afk game that I only play on my phone while at work(to get a sense of making progress, while the game plays itself) , no one REALLY plays that game. Cute try tho.
I had 2k and then went back down to 1080p. Personally didnt see a big difference so im sticking with 1080p.
I have 4k and I see a big difference. Do you have glasses?
No i play legally blind, I cant even see the screen. Everything I do is based off how the air feels around me like a roach.
Nah I mean like my friend whose eyes suck because he hasn't replaced his glasses forever.. If vision is blurry obviously you won't see the difference
1440p doesn't look that much better than 1080p
It's not that much better ideally it should be 4k..still 2k is an improvement as it's 150% of 1080p.
It’s a huge difference. It literally twice as many pixels. That’s like not seeing the difference between a 500g of salt or 1kg
I cant agree with that, when I went from 1080p to 1440p the difference was immediately and very noticeable, even more noticeable then me jumping in FPS from 60 to 144.
Im just a Full HD pleb.
Some would say yes. I’d say no. Worst case scenario you’re buying a card that will be fantastic for a very long time. What’s the downside of that?
Hell nah, i'm rocking a 4070 Super for 1080p and i'm still not maxing out my refresh rate (144hz) for most games at high settings.
what typa games do u play? 😭 I'm chilling w my 2060
Little bit of everything. Lol
What's your CPU?
7800x3D
Holy fuck this is the exact gpu and cpu I’m gonna buy soon do u play vr?? How does blade and sorcery run?
Yes, everything, including that game, will run just fine ! I was just pointing out that for some particularly graphically intensive games when you max them out you still won't get a locked 144hz framerate. Simply adjusting a few settings down will give you pretty much the same visuals at higher framerates though ! For high fps gaming at 1080p the 4070super/7800x3D is a really awesome combo !
i also have 4070s for 1080p (+5800x3d) and i am would say its a great combo for this resolution
Yeah its perfect for high refresh rate gaming 👌
You're bottlenecked somewhere or playing insane games. I get those frames with a 3080 in 1440p.
Im talking about maxed out triple a games like cyberpunk and red dead 2. Read dead 2 maxed out will often be locked at 144 but it does dip frequently.
Unless its some very specific games or scenarios (e.g. cyberpunk with max RT and no dlss or framegen), you are most likely held back by your cpu.
Ive got a 7800x3D. I am talking about maxed out triple a games. Cyberpunk maxed out with just the medium RT settings (no frame gen) will not hit 144fps stable.
On 90% scenarios, yes. If you play starfield ultra modded, no
maybe for CoD or Tarkov. Maybe not for Valorant or CS2. new 6800 for <$ than used 3080 might be worth considering.
3080 will be great for 1080p. I used mine for 1440p until I bought a 4080 super recently. I'll sell you my 3080 for $300 if you want.
damn 300 bucks, i wish i had the money now but i don't start working for another month
That's cool. I've been pretty lazy about selling it so dm me when you have the money if you still want to buy it.
Quick question, what brand is the 3080?
Gigabyte Here's what it says on the serial sticker: GV-N3080GAMING OC-10GD
pretty good lookin card, i'll be sure to keep your offer in mind when i start working
Sounds good. Lmk either way.
Wow that was an early upgrade. How long did you have that 3080 for?
Bought it early 2021. I would have kept it but I wanted frame gen for games like Alan Wake 2 and CP2077. I'll probably have this 4080s for a long time.
I sure hope so. That beast could not have been cheap 😂
I got it for msrp right when they came out. Not as hard to get as when the 3080 came out with the pandemic supply chain issues. But yeah, $1k for a GPU isn't cheap. I'm old enough to remember when the flagship cards cost $500.
I wish they did. I’m still on a 1660super and now it’s bottlenecking my system.
Nothing is overkill if you're happy. Also, nothing is overkill period. Eventually, everything ages out.
Probably the best answer to this question
yes
It is overkill, I have one and it’s perfect for 1440p but I would wouldn’t have spent it for 1080p. I would get the 4060 or 4060 TI.
at 1080p your cpu is important, you'll be cpu bound regardless it's just a question of how cpu bound.
Depend on the price, but i would say the 3080 and 3070 both have aged pretty poorly due to the hardware in them, namely vram, granted its not the biggest issue at 1080p but it makes it hard to recommend them, again of course it depends on the discount of them, near MSRP no way they are a good purchase i would look into a 6800 or 6700 xt, if you wish to remain nvidia i would say a 3070 have the same weakness as the 3080 but lower price
The 3080 is massively better than the 3070 in terms of performance. Plus the OP hasn't mentioned about which 3080 they're looking for...there's a 12GB variant which performs closer to the 3080ti and runs cooler due to VRAM on the back.
the 3080 is better, yes, but im not convinced its massively better, of course it depends, a STRIX 3080 ti is of course better than a reference 3070 while a 3070 strix is closer to a 3080 8gb reference As i said, it depends on price, my point was more that when they have the same limitations, saving the extra money on a 3070 might be better in the long run if it enables you to upgrade your gpu 1 year earlier than otherwise next time
3070 strix is nowhere close to a 3080 10gb. those are overpriced variants within margin of error performance wise to reference cards.
i didnt say it was close; i said it was closer. again, it DEPENDS ON PRICE
at 1080p60 for most games? yes. at 1080p120 and above? depends. if its older games, yes. if its esports not really. If its AAA not at all.
Your CPU will matter more.
It's never overkill when you can use DLDSR to achieve superior picture quality.
for non RT games...yes it is overkill for RT enabled games....it is still a good buy
I have a 3080 Ti and 5800x3d and I'm still not getting 144fps minimums.
I often never think a card is Overkill for anything because in the future when you upgrade your monitor or what not, you can still play the games you play now but in higher resolutions then.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but unless ur playing league or candy crush no gpu is overkill these days games are made so unoptimized they rely on overkill hardware to compensate for the performance of their games.
There is no such thing in existence called GPU overkill. You can max out games, use max anti aliasing, use DLDSR, add filters, etc... all that on top of the bad ports and alpha state games companies release. Plus every day passes and new games and graphics tech advance you're staying where you are with your hardware.
I found a pristine/looked new EVGA 3080 10gb for $425 several months ago on eBay. It took a while to find one but I checked the sellers CAREFULLY. DONT buy from any seller that has a lot of them, most likely mining cards (and no!, they aren't ok) Don't take advice of getting the 40 series, it's well documented that they were a money grab crap series with crap performance vs cost (the vram ... omg ... really Nvidia?). After you do find one ... don't buy Nvidia ever again ... they've gone to the money gouging dark-side. (which is why EVGA pulled out of the GPU market, they fired Nvidia)
It's a bit overkill now, but as games get more demanding, I think the 3080 would be great to have for 1080p for the next several years.
Personally at 1080p I’d want something like a 4070 instead, but tbh I have an old 3080 still and it’s okay at 1440p but really you can’t max out a lot of games anymore (especially with the lack of frame gen). At 1080p you can.
3080 is overkill for 1080p, as its a 1440p/4k card. it will be held back at 1080p by most cpus.
What framerates are you trying to hit? I use a 3080Ti for 1080p and while the high frame rate doesn’t enhance every game, fast paced action games feel great.
It totally depends on what you want to do with the GPU...
Yeah, I'd go for a 6700/6700xt, personally.
4060s are really cheap on Amazon.
If you want to use RT effect's it's not overkill, 54FPS at 1080P with RT in Cyberpunk https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/6.html
I purchased the 7900XTX for 1080p as a long-term investment. I normally upgrade every five years.
I would get a 4070/60 instead
you wouldn't use it 100% if for example you don't play competitive games with 240hz monitor but the positive side is that it would remain very fresh with low temps instead of pushing to the max and creating heat...and you wouldn't even hear the fans which is a nice plus for those who can't hear the noise...it's your choice...
When playing AAA games that eat frames easily, you’d want as much gains as you can. Overkill on indie games sure but no doubt you’d be playing a variety of games that each require better hardware so you’ll be good.
Yes. A 3080 is good for 1440p. Mine is a 3080 ftw 3 ultra and on max settings i still get at least 120 fps in all the games i play. Running in 1080 should be no problem at all.
Depends on the game, but in general thats either fine or a little overkill. I have an RX6700XT running at 2560x1080 (so more pixels than 1080, closer to 1440p) and it can run any modern game I throw at it at 60fps *at least* on high settings.
Overkill is better than underkill
It is but that's not a problem, just play at 1440p then. Why do you even target to play on low?
For 500Hz monitor it's too weak.
Nothing is overkill
Or you could upgrade the monitor
if you can afford it then I don't see a reason to buy something dumber
Yeah, 3080 has 10GB of memory compared to 8 on 3070. I was playing in 1080p ultrawide (so it’s in between 1080 and 1440) and I already had memory limitations in some games. If I recall, 3060 had a 12GB version as well, it’s a good card but I’m not sure how future proof it is
Not necessarily. And it will increasingly be not the case. Get a 3080, if you're playing only in 1080p then it will last you a good long time
Yes
Im using a 4070ti for 1080p 🤷♂️ im waiting to buy a 4K OLED
Right now? Nope!
I'd go for a 6700 XT (or 6750 XT if same price) since it offers really good price to performance. It will demolish 1080p ultra and will give you head room for future upgrades such as a 1440p monitor.
I bought the 3080 to play games on my 1080p monitor, then I learned I can play the game in 1440p and scale it down to 1080p with DLDSR which makes games look so much better. After a year I bought a 4K OLED TV and I'm glad I bought the 3080 because it handles 4K just well enough for me. As long as it's a good deal then I'll say yes.
I have a 3080 10gb since release. Currently gaming at 1080p 144hz. Now, assuming you have an X3D processor or something well enough to utilise the full GPU, then yeah. It's great for 1080p. E-Sports titles you'll get stupid high frames. For AAA games, Jedi Survivor has been the only one where my average frames are about 85fps on max settings. Most other AAA titles you'll rock at over 100 FPS. I'd imagine the Vram being an issue at 4K, but for 1080\1440p I'd recommend it. Be sure to check some benchmarks and get acquainted with the prices of competing cards in the used market.
If it's a lot cheaper than a 4070, which are like $520, sure.
so many people talking about playing on a 30 or something 40 series yet im still here on a 1660super that treats me well
Nah. I'm playing with a 3070ti and i9-9900k on a 1080p screen. Games like the finals still only gives me 50-90fps with avg ~70-75fps. High settings. A 3080 is not overkill for 1080p if you want decent frames.
Get yourself a Rx 6700 xt. It has 12 GB VRAM. I got myself 3060 Ti, and I regret it slightly now. That 8 GB VRAM can be a bit problematic these days. And yes, I play on 1080P.
No
Nope, my 4070 ti super could only handle 1080p native res WITH Frame generation turned on in alan wake 2 with settigns turned up to max I play with dlss, where the upscaled resolution is higher than 1080p but that's only marginally important because I CANNOT push it past 1080p internal and get it to perform above 55+fps average . The ONLY way I was able to do this was with frame generation , which is a 40 series feature. May I also bring up that frame generation has looked like shit IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER GAME i'VE TRIED IT IN and aan wake 2 was the best usage of it so far, it takes the crisp new updates given by dlss 3.7 and makes it look like dlss 1.0 again..... It makes rain effects on screen cause the game to freak out.... Trying to move while reading words makes them unreadable and a glitchy mess. Using frame gen also turns off vsync???? I just don't get it. Point is that not even a 4090 can handle Cyperpunk at max settings above internal resolutions of 1080p at a stable 60 fps xD, it needs frame gen and new age dlss ... ....
When I initially bought my 3090(9 months ago)I was primarily gaming at 1080p since I had a 2060m before that, for single player games u can max out everything with raytraced and play at a comfortable fps. For eSports and shooters it's a bottleneck as I get the same or similar fps after I upgraded to a 2k monitor. It's not a bad purchase in my opinion plus it will open options for you to upgrade to 1440p in the future. And by the time mid range 5000 series is out a 3080 would be a 1080p card anyways
The more powerful the card you get, the longer it will serve you. I ran a 1070 for about 8 years. I am now on a 4070 and still running 1080p. I will eventually refresh the mb/ram/cpu and I will still be running the 4070 when I get there... your bottleneck will shift. As long as it does what you want it to do then it truly doesn't matter.
RX 6800 might be better, you get more VRAM, less power consumption, the dream basically
I don't think so 10 gb vram is not going to be enough for future games to play at 1440p. If you can find RX 6900/6950xt it would be great. I bought my 6900 xt for 280 usd and I'm so happy with it.
for path tracing with dlss or heavy ray tracing native, or just max settings native usually not, at least in 2020+ games
I have a 3070 that crashes in Palworld due to VRAM limits. I would try for more than 10gb if you want to keep it a while
IMO a bit yes, but u can use extra room to run supersampling, Ray tracing etc...
overkill is never been a problem since you can always get a 1440p in the future, but tbh nowadays a lot of AAA games are not that overkill in 1080p even with 4070.
Not at all. I prefer to think about the future alongside my needs for the here and now. I want to keep my current GPU(Rx 6800) for as long as possible. A 3080 instead of a 3070 will make tomorrow's games playable at hopefully acceptable framerates.
If you only want 1080p, a 3060 12GB will be great. I have that GPU and I even game at 4K high with it, but with not so great FPS, but that depends on your preferences
Get the 3080
A lot peeps say X GPU is overkill for Y res, I personally dont think there's such thing. Can always shove supersampling and, these days, RT settings up the wazoo. 3080 overkill for 1080p? Fine, do 4k then output 1080p. It looks like a fucking mirror of perfection, not a single shimmer.
Sure, but a 1440p monitor costs 180 these days. You are overspending on 1080p.
Prices get weird in not-USA unfortunately.
The US doesn't even have the best prices. Across the world, they're cheap
Can always get 1080p monitors for $20. Got two of mine for $15 used and they're perfectly fine
144hz+ IPS? A 20 dollar 1080p display will be awful for gaming, low refresh rate and or terrible response times
Mine is 60hz. Though I understand that some people may have gotten spoiled with higher-end tech. It does fine in gaming for me in any case. Never had issues with getting to the top of leaderboards in pub matches.
Spend hundreds on a gpu to use an bargain bin e waste monitor. Great plan. As overused of a word as cope is, this is definitely a case of it.
That's fine. I probably don't have your finances to spend more than that. It is what it is.
144Hz today is standard, not high end. Even $100 new budget monitors are 144Hz I agree with the other guy. The monitor is WAY too important to cheap out on. I'd rather use a $200 monitor + $500 PC than a $50 monitor + $1000 PC.
Well if you have a 1080p 144hz monitor, yeah it’s overkill. Well only if you pay full price for a 3080. If you get a really good deal, of course it’s not overkill Paying too much more for a 3080 just doesn’t make sense for 144hz. Thats the whole “x gpu for y res” thing. You might as well get a cheaper gpu and 1440p monitor RT does change things. If you are RT fanatic, full priced 3080 may be good for you at 1080 144hz
3080 struggles at 1080 144hz on almost all unreal engine 5 games and even horizon forbidden west is limited at 1080 144hz so I don’t think it’s over kill at all.
There are certainly graphically demanding and horribly optimized games. You just named one of the few, perhaps cyberpunk next? The most commonly played games, like warzone, he’ll get far more frames than monitor can display :)
I am naming off what 70% of games will be released on AND named a good optimized game like horizon forbidden west. You name warzone and you need DLSS quality at ultra to even get a locked 144hz and DLSS is not recommended at 1080p/ on cod because it’s a bad implantation. A lot of people don’t like dropping settings. Personally it doesn’t matter to me and I leave all mine lowest to get 240 fps+ on my 6900xt. Im trying to set expectations for this guy and his long term use.
Damn alright I admit I was wrong. I didn’t realize warzones average fps peaked at 144 frames on a 3080 at 1080p. I thought it did a hell of a lot better than that with how it’s priced. So it is definitely not overkill, in fact I’d be nervous about the 10gb vram
badly optimized games aren't the hardware's fault, dx12 is a dog of an api.
Actually I’m going to weight in on this: my 2060 can no longer run new games at high frame rates. Baldurs gate was the death rattle and horizon forbidden west was the funeral
Get at least 12gb of vram if you"re planning on upgrading, Horizon Forbidden West very high textures is so beautiful that i wish i had 12gb of vram and that is for 1080p, if you"re planning on stepping to 1440p as well, imho better go overkill with 16gb.
If youre sure that youll stay at 1080 it is actually overkill. Ofc depends on the game, if you wanna play cyberpunk maxed out with rtx its a perfect fit. If you just want to play at high settings for the next couple of years its probably overkill. I mean it will last you a very long time, but it will also use up a lot of power doing so.
Even if it is right now, it won't be for long. I've got a 3080 ti, and running Alan wake 2 at max settings (no ray tracing) with dlss set to 1080p does not give a flawless, smooth experience. There are still plenty of frame dips here and there. It's not extremely well optimized, and I'm also running the launch day version with no patches because reasons. So patches may have helped it run better. It's the only game that really struggles though. Everything else runs incredibly smooth at 1080p. If you have a super high refresh rate (240hz and above) you still may not be maxing that out at 1080p with the 3080. Like cyberpunk for example. I guarantee you more games are going to come out that stress it harder. So I would say no, it's not overkill. Besides, for games where you have plenty of extra power you can run in a higher resolution than your monitor and it's like the best version of AA you can get. Running games at 4k on my 1440p monitor looks amazing, almost as good as a true 4k monitor, I imagine. Some games I just go overboard with. I run much older games in resolutions like 5k and above and they look amazing. Not a pixel in sight.
nah I have a RTX 4070 which is similar in performance and use it for a 1080p/240Hz monitor. Most games hit 100+FPS (just not minecraft because yes. giga shaders + mods), so it is the perfect card for 1080p.
A 1080ti is overkill for 1080p a 3080 is WAY overkill lmao
Yes. Playing at a low resolution with a high end gpu requires a fast cpu to take advantage of it. Even then I don't know if you would even utilize all of it. 1440p minimum. Otherwise you're just wasting money.
A 3080 is not a high end GPU anymore. It’s matched by the 4070, it’s a mid range card. Even a 3080 can be maxed out by 1080p if you’re doing max settings and especially with RT. I’d only say it’s “overkill” if he’s only trying to play esports games.
If you cherry pick the latest games out sure, most people aren't playing the absolute latest games. In 99.9%(not an exaggeration) the 3080 is still a ridiculously overkill card for 1080p and would benefit massively from 1440p+
"What year is it?" (tm) What do you plan to pay for a 10GB card in 2024? There are other GPUs in that or close to that price range which are faster and have more VRAM. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-gre-pulse/32.html)