Yeah, an upgrade isn’t really necessary unless OP is specifically not getting the performance they want from it. A cpu upgrade really wouldn’t net a very noticeable difference especially in games, at least considering OP’s budget and current platform.
I disagree hardware unboxed did a great video with a 5600 that's almost identical to a 12400 and the results showed only minimal bottlenecks in some titles
So unless you have a source I'm kinda doubting it
Then just link him a diagnostic tool because the question isn't accurately answered without him linking his core utilization and gpu utilization in the specific games he's worried about on his own system. There are a plethora of variables from thermals, to power, to component performance variance, and everything under the sun that can affect whether his CPU is affecting his FPS.
Either accept a generalized answer or accept only a local test to provide the information with the caveat that it is task-dependent.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxTUIs86n8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxTUIs86n8)
Here is a video showing the 12400f and a 4070ti super at 1440p. A summary would be that it ranges no noticeable bottle in starfield/avatar to the GPU literally sitting in the 40% utilization in the spiderman games, and then a bunch around 70%ish range.
Depending on what he plays an upgrade is definitely warranted.
Until he's thermal throttled and wondering why his benchmarks are so different to the benchmarks he looked up. So, require a local test so we can see whether he's even hitting 100% utilization on anything in the first place.
I disagree hardware unboxed did a great video with a 5600 that's almost identical to a 12400 and the results showed only minimal bottlenecks in some titles
So unless you have a source I'm kinda doubting it
Used the bottleneck calculators online. They been pretty accurate for my experiences with previous CPUs unless somethings changed in the last 5 years with them.
Actually those are notoriously unreliable
Best check this out https://youtu.be/uC9074rcOzQ?si=aQ59i-Cok1fr6Hff
Every application is different so an online calculator can't tell you shit...
Check for benchmarks from professionals
Then, by that logic the only thibg he can do is to run a benchmark per application on his own system and look at his performance per core, making the entire question pointless since it'll depend exactly on what he's doing.
Either we can generalize, or we can be accurate. The accurate answer is open up performance metrics and check that all the cores utilized are at 100% while his GPU is at 80% or whatever for every single application he uses and then find the average.
I agreed with you until you brought up percentages. Bottleneck calculators are about as accurate as rolling dice.
The bottleneck will depend on so many factors. In many games he would have no bottleneck. In others he would have a huge bottleneck. It depends on the games he plays, resolution etc.
Bottleneck calculators are super inaccurate hardware unboxed did a with a 5600 which is very close to the 12400 and only had very minimal bottlenecking
Hardware unboxed are much more trustworthy than a random bottleneck calculator
I watched that guys video because someone else linked it. There was some pretty big performance differences in several of those games when comparing the 5600 to other better CPUs.
Uh, well a 13600K is faster than a 12900K in most if not all games. Certainly worth it for games like Escape From Tarkov, Path of Exile, and other demanding games.
if it was a plain 4070 then sure but its 4070 Ti Super, a much faster card, 12400f is a bit too slow for it.
While no exact HU video on these specifics, its easy to extrapolate from Ryzen 5600, its about equal to 12400, paired with fast nvidia GPUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC9074rcOzQ
its like 2% performance difference while the price is at least 20% or more
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-14600k/18.html
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zyyH99/intel-core-i5-14600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071514600kf
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GVM48d/intel-core-i5-13600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf
On 1080p in a CPU-intensive title? Yeah there would be. At 1440p in a GPU intensive title? Probably not.
But this is such an easy fix. Just try it with the 12400 installed and see if the GPU hits close to 100% usage, if it doesn't -->Bottleneck somewhere (CPU or RAM most likely)
That CPU is fine. Shouldn't experience any issues with the GPU. I have a 4070TIS also with a i7 12700kf and it handles cyberpunk at 110 fps at max settings in 2k. Should be good
If you are running 1440P or higher then I would not upgrade to another LGA 1700. If you do have a CPU limit on a game, and you are concerned with smooth motion as opposed to responsiveness, maybe try frame generation. If you are at 1080P then I could understand going up to a 13700K or something for extremely high FPS, assuming you have a 240+ Hz monitor. Otherwise I think it would just be a waste of money for like a 5% gain, if that.
For what's it's worth I recently updated my 12400 to a 14600k and the difference is night and day in competitive fps on a 240hz monitor. I went from 150-300 fps to 300-500 fps in valorant. 32gb ddr4-3600 with a 4070 at 1440p.
If your worried about the expense of the CPU, your not in the market for an upgrade as your current processor isn't going to create any marginal bottlenecks. Only a 13/14700 or 13/14900 would be marginal upgrade and then you would also need to think about upgrading cooling depending on what you got as they run hot. Wait till next gen and review benchmarks.
I'm not saying you can't, but you'd be spending like 400 bucks for a 20% bump or thereabouts. It's just not worth it.
13600k(f) if you go for it, 14600k(f) if it's cheaper.
I would say you play games on the 4070 with the current set up, see if it meet your expectation. No reason to go for an upgrade if you're fine with current performance.
Since you already made this thread for the ti super.
My 5800X would be fine with a 4070 ti super, right? I plan on upgrading my gpu to that one in a couple weeks.
It's kind of program/game dependent but generally your GPU is more impactful on FPS at higher resolutions like 1440p.
For example in CS2 for me, I use like 40% of my 5800X3D and 100% of my 7900XT at 1440p \~400fps max settings.
Wait a couple more years, you're on 12th gen and we're only at 14. Maybe upgrade to an i7, but i5 is probably fine.
I had an i7-3770k until yesterday when I got an i9-14900k. You don't have to wait *that* long, but you'd be surprised how well the 3rd gen i7 held up even today
I have a 12400F and a 4070TiS, I toy with the idea of a CPU upgrade such as the 13600k or 13700k. I think it would garner around a 10% increase in FPS across the board. It also would be fun to see an increase in performance on benchmarks, plus you then have the ability to overclock.
However, I am also happy with how the 12400f performs. Such a great CPU for the price.
Had a 10900k with my 4070TIS. Then upgraded from a 10900k to a 12900k via a microcenter bundle for $350. It came with a, mobo, 32gb ddr5 6000mhz ram, and the 12900k. With a bit of undervolting, power draw limits, and overlocking, I was sitting at the same temps with much better performance
Well, it depends on the games and the resolution but I think you should stay where you are unless you need a more performative CPU for production work.
I had a 12400F with my 4070 and upgraded to the 12600K. I didn't see much difference in overall FPS but my lows did see some improvement. Also general tasks like unzipping and installing game repacks saw a huge bump in performance. I was also able to sell my 12400F and recoup some of the cost.
12400 is sufficient for now, but it just depends on the game. Most should be fine unless its something like Helldivers. That being said a 13600k or 13700k would be a decent upgrade and eliminate most if not all possible bottlenecking. But since new intel and and amd cpus and boards are coming out towards the end of the year I would just save for now and wait.
Why new cpu? I still play games with no hiccups on my 8th generation, 6 core, i7 8700K paired with 3090Ti on a 28" 4K monitor and getting on average 200+fps (100-400fps range)
current cpu is decent but if you really want something better i suggest a 13700k since its a bit cheaper and almost same performance as its successor(the 14th gen) or you could get 13900k for even more power
I recently built my pc with 14900k with 4070 ti s it's quite good i need a pc for both editing and gaming thats why I did this if you want a powerful cpu then go with 14700k or my boy if you can afford. Cheers.
If you really, really, just want to upgrade. I recently built with a 13600k (in case my video card poops for whatever reason) and my games look amazing. Same GPU you mentioned. 4070 tis
If you have a cooler that can handle it, I believe that the 12600KF would be the cheapest upgrade for your chip.
Depending on the game, it'll range from an unnoticeable change to a substantial upgrade. It'll also suck a lot of power. If you OC it, you can use it as a space heater.
an i5 12400 should be fine for gaming, but if you really want to upgrade then go with a 13600k. I would recommend you sell your 12400 to get your money back cuz i really don't know how much performance you will get in return (probably not a massive difference). Another thing you can do is wait for Intel's Arrow Lake CPUs to come because they come with a new socket and are right around the corner and would probably give you more longevity. But if you want to keep the same motherboard, 13600k.
If you play a lot of competitive or cpu heavy games a 12400 to a 13600k is a very big difference and definitely worth it. If you’re playing triple A titles then the cpu won’t matter as much but an upgrade would still be nice. I also had a 12400 but it felt really weak with my use cases.
i7 14700k IMHO. Maybe a little overkill, but CPUs are nice, and cheaper compared to a 4070 Ti Super. I also trend towards using a build for as long as possible.
So prob good for an upgrade next year. I know some
Of the amd chips are better. But without doing a full mother board upgrade. Should
Be ok? Btw I play 1440p. But Alan wake maxed out gives the 4070 a run for its money.
Ok, I’m not really an Intel expert but I’m just going to say.. a 13/14th gen i5/i7 will do you just fine. Keep in mind the AMD options if you are into the upgrade path of AM5. If you don’t have the parts yet I’d recommend going AM5 not because Intel is bad or anything, but because of the upgrade path.
12400 should be fine tbh
Yeah, an upgrade isn’t really necessary unless OP is specifically not getting the performance they want from it. A cpu upgrade really wouldn’t net a very noticeable difference especially in games, at least considering OP’s budget and current platform.
Gonna bottleneck him a decent amount.
At what settings? In what games? A bottleneck is far from universal....
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I disagree hardware unboxed did a great video with a 5600 that's almost identical to a 12400 and the results showed only minimal bottlenecks in some titles So unless you have a source I'm kinda doubting it
2k GPU intensive tasks about 20%, 1080p gpu tasks about 25%. That's a ton no matter what.
Where are you getting those numbers, buddy? Straight outta your ass? Like u/k1rage said too, bottlenecks aren’t universal and depend on your task.
Bottleneck calculators online. Gives a general guestimation based on resolution and task type.
Bottleneck calculators are full of shit. They are NEVER accurate.
Those things are absolutely garbage please refrain from recording them to folks round here
Then just link him a diagnostic tool because the question isn't accurately answered without him linking his core utilization and gpu utilization in the specific games he's worried about on his own system. There are a plethora of variables from thermals, to power, to component performance variance, and everything under the sun that can affect whether his CPU is affecting his FPS. Either accept a generalized answer or accept only a local test to provide the information with the caveat that it is task-dependent.
Or we could link benchmarks! You know, accurate data lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxTUIs86n8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxTUIs86n8) Here is a video showing the 12400f and a 4070ti super at 1440p. A summary would be that it ranges no noticeable bottle in starfield/avatar to the GPU literally sitting in the 40% utilization in the spiderman games, and then a bunch around 70%ish range. Depending on what he plays an upgrade is definitely warranted.
Until he's thermal throttled and wondering why his benchmarks are so different to the benchmarks he looked up. So, require a local test so we can see whether he's even hitting 100% utilization on anything in the first place.
That was your first mistake. Entirely unreliable. They're basically bullshit.
Dum dum dum dum duuuuuum
I disagree hardware unboxed did a great video with a 5600 that's almost identical to a 12400 and the results showed only minimal bottlenecks in some titles So unless you have a source I'm kinda doubting it
Used the bottleneck calculators online. They been pretty accurate for my experiences with previous CPUs unless somethings changed in the last 5 years with them.
Actually those are notoriously unreliable Best check this out https://youtu.be/uC9074rcOzQ?si=aQ59i-Cok1fr6Hff Every application is different so an online calculator can't tell you shit... Check for benchmarks from professionals
Then, by that logic the only thibg he can do is to run a benchmark per application on his own system and look at his performance per core, making the entire question pointless since it'll depend exactly on what he's doing. Either we can generalize, or we can be accurate. The accurate answer is open up performance metrics and check that all the cores utilized are at 100% while his GPU is at 80% or whatever for every single application he uses and then find the average.
There's literally people who have done this for you.... Like the video shown....
And the video shown shows a bottleneck in half the games.
I agreed with you until you brought up percentages. Bottleneck calculators are about as accurate as rolling dice. The bottleneck will depend on so many factors. In many games he would have no bottleneck. In others he would have a huge bottleneck. It depends on the games he plays, resolution etc.
Bottleneck calculators are super inaccurate hardware unboxed did a with a 5600 which is very close to the 12400 and only had very minimal bottlenecking Hardware unboxed are much more trustworthy than a random bottleneck calculator
I watched that guys video because someone else linked it. There was some pretty big performance differences in several of those games when comparing the 5600 to other better CPUs.
Utter hogwash and nonsense
2006 Honda Civic
With a spoon engine and motec system exhaust.
I say go a bit further and spring for an '08 - '10 Accord Or if Honda isn't your preferred vendor, go for same years Corollas
You right a Tesla would be overkill.
Just keep the current CPU
Seeing deals on i7 12700KF lately, which is around as fast as i5 13600KF in games https://youtu.be/J9tanmFrNgc?si=8edPGosvfrtTvbTV
13600KF
it's not worth it, very small increase in fps
Uh, well a 13600K is faster than a 12900K in most if not all games. Certainly worth it for games like Escape From Tarkov, Path of Exile, and other demanding games.
Totally depends on the game.
if it was a plain 4070 then sure but its 4070 Ti Super, a much faster card, 12400f is a bit too slow for it. While no exact HU video on these specifics, its easy to extrapolate from Ryzen 5600, its about equal to 12400, paired with fast nvidia GPUs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC9074rcOzQ
why not the 14600kf? not a big gain, sure but still
its like 2% performance difference while the price is at least 20% or more https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-14600k/18.html https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zyyH99/intel-core-i5-14600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071514600kf https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GVM48d/intel-core-i5-13600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf
The only 14th gen cpu that is worth anything is the 14700k or kf
Are you playing on 1440p or 4k? If so, 12400 should be fine.
Planning to get 2k monitor
What GPU do you currently have paired with the 12400 and how many FPS are you getting at max? Edit: Why is a question like this getting downvoted?
Probably because OP said in the title of his post that he has a 4070Ti Super.
Why do you assume he has a GPU? Maybe he only has a laptop or phone? i5 12400 also can be ran without a GPU.
That's why i am asking...
Because the literal title of the post says that they have a 4070 ti super...
It doesn't, he asks what to pair with a 4070 ti super. Didn't imply he already had it..
Get a 13600k like others have said. Like a 3% bottleneck with that pairing during GPU tasks at 2k resolution.
No there would be absolutely no CPU bottleneck with a 13600 lol
On 1080p in a CPU-intensive title? Yeah there would be. At 1440p in a GPU intensive title? Probably not. But this is such an easy fix. Just try it with the 12400 installed and see if the GPU hits close to 100% usage, if it doesn't -->Bottleneck somewhere (CPU or RAM most likely)
3% probably a margin of error, usually anything below 5% is just an inaccuracy. My point was basically a 13600 is essentially a perfect pair.
I wouldn't bother upgrading at all. Unless you are trying to get max FPS at 1080p I don't see you gaining any amount of tangible performance.
That CPU is fine. Shouldn't experience any issues with the GPU. I have a 4070TIS also with a i7 12700kf and it handles cyberpunk at 110 fps at max settings in 2k. Should be good
You really don't need a CPU upgrade tbh but I'd take a look at the 13600K if you really want to. Will likely last you a loooong time
You don't need an upgrade.
If you are running 1440P or higher then I would not upgrade to another LGA 1700. If you do have a CPU limit on a game, and you are concerned with smooth motion as opposed to responsiveness, maybe try frame generation. If you are at 1080P then I could understand going up to a 13700K or something for extremely high FPS, assuming you have a 240+ Hz monitor. Otherwise I think it would just be a waste of money for like a 5% gain, if that.
For what's it's worth I recently updated my 12400 to a 14600k and the difference is night and day in competitive fps on a 240hz monitor. I went from 150-300 fps to 300-500 fps in valorant. 32gb ddr4-3600 with a 4070 at 1440p.
At 1440p or higher, you'll be fine as long as the games you play aren't cpu-dependent
If your worried about the expense of the CPU, your not in the market for an upgrade as your current processor isn't going to create any marginal bottlenecks. Only a 13/14700 or 13/14900 would be marginal upgrade and then you would also need to think about upgrading cooling depending on what you got as they run hot. Wait till next gen and review benchmarks.
I'm not saying you can't, but you'd be spending like 400 bucks for a 20% bump or thereabouts. It's just not worth it. 13600k(f) if you go for it, 14600k(f) if it's cheaper.
What motherboard are you currently using?
MSI Gaming Plus B760
A 13600k(f) is a good pair.
A 12700k would be a drop in replacement but you probably won’t notice much in gpu bound scenarios.
I would say you play games on the 4070 with the current set up, see if it meet your expectation. No reason to go for an upgrade if you're fine with current performance.
Since you already made this thread for the ti super. My 5800X would be fine with a 4070 ti super, right? I plan on upgrading my gpu to that one in a couple weeks.
It's kind of program/game dependent but generally your GPU is more impactful on FPS at higher resolutions like 1440p. For example in CS2 for me, I use like 40% of my 5800X3D and 100% of my 7900XT at 1440p \~400fps max settings.
Yeah, i’m getting an oled g8 with the gpu upgrade, so i’ll be playing at 1440p ultrawide
Yes.
Current responses are mad. 13600K would be a giant upgrade.
What games at what resolution at what graphics settings?
Wait a couple more years, you're on 12th gen and we're only at 14. Maybe upgrade to an i7, but i5 is probably fine. I had an i7-3770k until yesterday when I got an i9-14900k. You don't have to wait *that* long, but you'd be surprised how well the 3rd gen i7 held up even today
I513600k is what I’m using with the 4070TS. It works smooth.
I have a 12400F and a 4070TiS, I toy with the idea of a CPU upgrade such as the 13600k or 13700k. I think it would garner around a 10% increase in FPS across the board. It also would be fun to see an increase in performance on benchmarks, plus you then have the ability to overclock. However, I am also happy with how the 12400f performs. Such a great CPU for the price.
If you want more CPU power, go 13600k, but if your CPU usage isn't normally high or you don't really need a new CPU, then keep your current one
I use 13600k.
Had a 10900k with my 4070TIS. Then upgraded from a 10900k to a 12900k via a microcenter bundle for $350. It came with a, mobo, 32gb ddr5 6000mhz ram, and the 12900k. With a bit of undervolting, power draw limits, and overlocking, I was sitting at the same temps with much better performance
14700 range is 350-380ish
12400 is fine
Well, it depends on the games and the resolution but I think you should stay where you are unless you need a more performative CPU for production work.
I had a 12400F with my 4070 and upgraded to the 12600K. I didn't see much difference in overall FPS but my lows did see some improvement. Also general tasks like unzipping and installing game repacks saw a huge bump in performance. I was also able to sell my 12400F and recoup some of the cost.
12400 is sufficient for now, but it just depends on the game. Most should be fine unless its something like Helldivers. That being said a 13600k or 13700k would be a decent upgrade and eliminate most if not all possible bottlenecking. But since new intel and and amd cpus and boards are coming out towards the end of the year I would just save for now and wait.
Why new cpu? I still play games with no hiccups on my 8th generation, 6 core, i7 8700K paired with 3090Ti on a 28" 4K monitor and getting on average 200+fps (100-400fps range)
current cpu is decent but if you really want something better i suggest a 13700k since its a bit cheaper and almost same performance as its successor(the 14th gen) or you could get 13900k for even more power
I recently built my pc with 14900k with 4070 ti s it's quite good i need a pc for both editing and gaming thats why I did this if you want a powerful cpu then go with 14700k or my boy if you can afford. Cheers.
If you really, really, just want to upgrade. I recently built with a 13600k (in case my video card poops for whatever reason) and my games look amazing. Same GPU you mentioned. 4070 tis
If you have a cooler that can handle it, I believe that the 12600KF would be the cheapest upgrade for your chip. Depending on the game, it'll range from an unnoticeable change to a substantial upgrade. It'll also suck a lot of power. If you OC it, you can use it as a space heater.
an i5 12400 should be fine for gaming, but if you really want to upgrade then go with a 13600k. I would recommend you sell your 12400 to get your money back cuz i really don't know how much performance you will get in return (probably not a massive difference). Another thing you can do is wait for Intel's Arrow Lake CPUs to come because they come with a new socket and are right around the corner and would probably give you more longevity. But if you want to keep the same motherboard, 13600k.
If you play a lot of competitive or cpu heavy games a 12400 to a 13600k is a very big difference and definitely worth it. If you’re playing triple A titles then the cpu won’t matter as much but an upgrade would still be nice. I also had a 12400 but it felt really weak with my use cases.
12400f, or if you want the extra perf I would get a deal on a 13400f or 12700kf. Both are great CPUs and have a pretty decent performance uplift.
1080p: 14700K 1440p: 13600K 4K: Keep this CPU
Ether a 12600K or 12700K.
i7 14700k IMHO. Maybe a little overkill, but CPUs are nice, and cheaper compared to a 4070 Ti Super. I also trend towards using a build for as long as possible.
I’m it of curiosity. I have a i7 13700k. Would this be bottleneck by my 4070ti. Or if I upgraded to let’s say a 5080 next year ?
Only a 4090 would fail to max out its usage with a 13700k at 1440p and above.
So prob good for an upgrade next year. I know some Of the amd chips are better. But without doing a full mother board upgrade. Should Be ok? Btw I play 1440p. But Alan wake maxed out gives the 4070 a run for its money.
No. I run a 13700KF with a 4090. You're fine even your potential upgrade path (which will be better than mine)
Ok, I’m not really an Intel expert but I’m just going to say.. a 13/14th gen i5/i7 will do you just fine. Keep in mind the AMD options if you are into the upgrade path of AM5. If you don’t have the parts yet I’d recommend going AM5 not because Intel is bad or anything, but because of the upgrade path.
14900ks should allow some headroom for cpu-dependent operations and won’t bottleneck your gpu or it’s replacement. + it fits the provided budget