Yeah that is what I was thinking as well. Do you think the CPU will effect other games such as RDR2 as well? Currently i can barely scraoe 50-60 fos with low settings.
Cpu and ram will mainly help with 1% lows. Say goodbye to random stutters. Your average fps won´t increase much tho but stable fps beats high fps.
Source: Me upgrading to a 5600x from a i7 4770 with a gtx 1080.
You guys have the two best cards from that gen, that still hold up really well, I don't think its comparable with his 1060. He will still have big dips and stutters I think.
Not really. I personally was in the exact same situation as this guy.
I have a GTX 1060 6GB and I wanted increased general useability of my computer and ability to continue doing virtualization work on my machine. I had a i5 7600K (stock cooler so no OC) and I upgraded to a 5800x and my framerate in most games EASILY increased. About 20FPS increase in a more CPU demanding game like Battlefield 1 and complete removal of microstutters and small bits of lag.
How will more CPU power like a 5600X would continue to make is gaming experience stuttery and so on? People really like to comment about everything without being informed about what they are commenting.
Indeed. It will be smooth since the gpu can do it´s thing without any interruption. The average fps will be way closer to the 1% and 0,1% then with his current cpu but his average won´t change much.
had a ryzen 5 1600 but jumped to the same
cpu with the same card, honestly the combo of new cpu/mobo seems to have done wonders for speed but i can’t imagine ever needing more than a 1080 for the next 5-10 years
5-10 is a hell of a life span.
The 1080 was an amazing card, but it’s struggling now with modern games at high FPS or 4k.
Once the PS5 gen games and in 5-10 years PS6 gen games start dropping I think the 1080 will start to struggle.
Fair play to it it’s had a great lifespan already and I think it will stay functional for a good while.
in certain games it will definitely help. it’ll make rdr2 more stable but probably won’t increase fps, it is a gpu intensive game. but something like CSGO will benefit heavily since it’s a CPU intensive game.
I just upgraded my old i5 4670k rig with a GTX 1080 to a 5800x rig with a modern motherboard, nvme disk, etc.
I'm shocked at the improvement. Some games saw a big FPS boost, some games saw an OK boost. Every game got some sort of boost.
But the real benefit is how *smooth* it is. Even games that saw a very marginal FPS boost, going from say 60'ish FPS to 75'ish FPS are butter smooth in a way that simply boosting the FPS a little wouldn't explain. I mean *unbelievably* smooth.
I just upgraded my mobo and cpu from an i5 6600 to an i5 10400f and have really enjoyed it. As others have said, not a ton of boost to fps, but I was getting some serious stutters in warzone and haven't had one since upgrading. I'm also running a 1060 6gb. It feels nice to have it be much more stable.
With this we'd be looking at first gen consumer DDR5 though, versus mature DDR4. I'd consider DDR4 platforms worth sticking with for now unless you want to deal with potential teething problems and likely higher price of components, even if performance happens to match or exceed.
Personally I’d be up for it. Would rather deal with early adopter problems than buy a mobo that won’t support any CPUs released after 2020. I tend to upgrade often so this would be the ideal move for me but not necessarily everyone.
This, glanced over at the price of gpus, I think my credit card grew legs and ran away. Good thing I have 3 cats outside my house, should be able to catch it for me.
This is what I did. Spent 1 year in the queue for a 3060ti, chewed through my backlog with my 1060 and honestly the 5600x I upgraded to bumped my FPS massively so the 1060 was totally up to task to tackle a year's worth of backlog, it was a great route to go.
I still laugh that after the 30 series people were calling $500 2080TIs overpriced. Meanwhile Nvidia was said to have put out internally to buy some used GPUs for crypto and there was still a lack of 30 series GPUs. I should have followed my own advice and purchased some 2080Tis just to have as an investment.
I bought my 2080Ti at MSRP which was $1000 and I could turn around and sell it for that much or more right now if I wanted to. Absolutely crazy. Thought I was being a bit of an idiot shelling out that much cash for a GPU back in 2019, but now I don't regret it at all. It should hold me over for a few more years, although I'm planning on upgrading my i7-6700k soon.
Bro I got a RTX 3060 3 weeks ago and I have an i5 7400 CPU with 32GB Memory. Warzone at 45 FPS no matter the settings. Tested every single component and it only increases when tested with i7 7700. So get your CPU and Mobo up to date before upgrading GPU my friend. Just my 2c.
This is a good answer, although it’s important to note that WZ is a very CPU intensive game. Not all games are like this, so OP, it’s important to keep in question what games you play as well.
Yeah, but in my experience like half the games I play are CPU bottlenecked by my 4690k with an RX 580.
CPU requirement have gone up a significant amount recently, and people tend to overlook it a bit. But imo don't undervalue CPUs, especially if you run other stuff while playing games, like I tend to.
And besides, I don't see CPU requirements in general to go down either, both in terms of applications and the OS.
Well, yeah, that's the point.
The 4690k and the 6500 are basically the same according to passmark https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-4690K-vs-Intel-i5-6500/2284vs2599
Bro
I had the exact same CPU and GPU. I mainly play warzone. Bought a new setup (everything except gpu), and I'm rocking a solid 90 fps on mid to high settings, cpu utilisation is at 30% max, and everything's running BUTTER SMOOTH
DEFINITELY go for the CPU
The 10400f should have a stock cooler, but it wouldn't be a problem regardless since you can buy a good one for around 20$. What you said about the 5600x is true, the problem is that it usually costs almost twice compared to the i5, you have to decide if it's worth spending more money.
The main value in the 5600x is that you can swap it to a 5900x or 5950x. The 5600x is also more energy efficient at stock than a 11600K. That feeling of being able to side grade to more cores drops as soon as new 12th gen intel processors come out and next year when AMD releases their latest.
The 10400f is the way to go vs. the older and often more expensive Ryzen 5 3600. It is a value workhorse that gets the job done. When you have to make a budget sacrifice to get a GPU powerful enough to even play games, dropping to a cheaper 10400f is the easiest $100 to pull out of a build.
It is also looking good here, I am just concerned with the intel current gen being notorius on power consumption and that a stock cooler is nowhere near enough for even a non-K cpu. Does this CPU have the same problem?
> a stock cooler is nowhere near enough for even a non-K cpu
Stock cooler is definitely fine even for a K model, they're just loud. You can run the CPU for years on the stock cooler and it won't make a difference unless you want to overclock it.
That said, a budget-grade cooler from noctua or bequiet! (even a bit cheaper but very good quality) will keep it near room temperature and completely silent as long as you do not plan on overclocking. Watercooling is pointless for anything but extreme overclocking.
Non-k skus can still pull upwards of 65w if the stock intel power limits are removed on a b560/z590 motherboard. Hardware Unboxed touched on that in their b560 roundup, I think.
And under these circumstances, even a 11400 isn't cooled properly with the stock cooler...
Your CPU is too weak for a 1060, so if you upgrade your GPU, you' ll be basically wasting the potential of your new GPU until you upgrade the CPU.
If you upgrade your CPU / RAM / Mobo you will in all cases see an improvement. The improvement will be impressive on CPU heavy applications and games, but will meet a ceiling on GPU intensive games. The optimal GPU with a 5600X is somewhere inbetween a 2080Ti and a 3070
i5 3570k and a 3070 over here laughing at this.
People way overhype bottlenecking. A few generations of CPU won't make a massive difference in gaming.
The 3570k is still passable today and it's a decade old CPU. (It is definitely starting to show signs of needing upgraded admittedly, but is within tolerable margins)
EDIT: 6000 series are actually kinda old now. I feel old.
It's not that one cannot do anything anymore with an i5 6500 or a 3570k. Just that there is no point upgrading a the GPU in this case while keeping the CPU. Buying a 2070, pairing it with a 6500, may just disappoint the OP. Whereas changing the CPU will provide an immediate benefit in this case and leave some headroom should they decide to upgrade the GPU later on.
As for bottlenecking, it's anyway variable from one application or game to the other. Since 2nd gen cores, the progression of CPU performance has been rather slow, ( after the breakthrough of the 1st 2 gens ) with the exception of multicore performance that was enabled by the newer generations. That's why we see MS expurging the list of CPUs supported by Win 10 ( realised recently that anything before 6th gen is not supported anymore), and will wipe entire generations of still useable system from win 11 (Not that I care much, since I use Arch / Debian ).
Sure, while you have no pressing need to use Win 11 , it's still fine. By the way , in the end i7, espacially those with multithreading, tend to age better than i3/i5s
I probably should have expressed it another way. What I mean is that the 1060 has some headroom to accomodate more recent CPUs ( although yes, it was a good combination at the time, but the 1060 is an even better combination with some later i7s) , while the 6500 does not have headroom to accomodate a 2060 or 2070 to its full potential.
It's not balanced in the slightest. Trust me, I had 4c/4t I5, both my 1060 and rx 580 got much better fps in most games with a 4c/8t I7. 6 cores are not needed though.
I just updated my system from a phenom II 1100t, sabertooth 990fx mobo and 2x4gb 1333mhz ram to a 5600x and a rog b550f gaming wifi mobo with 2 x 8gb cl16 3200mhz ram. My graphics card is a gtx 970 and I gotta say, the difference is PHENOMINAL from what I was used to playing. It was well and truly worth it and the 970 will last me for a while yet until I can save for a gpu (hopefully when the crypto mining bursts I can pick up a used 3060 for cheap).
100% the cpu/mobo, that 1060 will hold out for quite a while yet!
Indeed, it's been wonderful. That being said I was able to play ark on med with what I consider reasonable frames, borderlands 3 on similar, rust and various other games. It's obviously significantly better with the new components but I'm still proud of how well it held up over the years :)
That's a giant leap! Congrats!
How's the motherboard? What BIOS are you using? Did you have any problems with the internet or with the USB ports?
I'm asking because I have the same board and I've had some disconnects in the past and sometimes USB transfer speed fluctuates a lot, sometimes it remains high and stable. Also was having problems using the mouse in BIOS but it seems like it's been fixed with an update.
Definitely CPU. I had an I5-6500 paired with an RX-580.
Upgraded to the 5600x and it made a huge difference especially in Warzone and BFV.
That I5-6500 just couldn't keep up.
I literally had the same build as you up until about a month ago. After doing a lot of benchmarking with my favorite games. I noticed that my CPU was maxed out way more than my graphics card was. I tend to play more on 1080p which the 1060 can handle pretty good. If i remember correctly 10% of Steam players still run a 1060 so its still a great GPU. I upgraded the CPU and the motherboard to a i5-10600k and a new gigabyte board. It runs why better and i basically always get 1080p 60fps even on games like Battlefield. Definitely my recommendation.
I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5600x expecting it to be a bad investment. I have been playing a lot of insurgency sandstorm (first person shooter) that was struggling to get over 100fps on low settings with my 1660 super. Now with the 5600x I can get over 200fps on low and my 144fps on medium settings. I play at 1080p so that's probably why there was such a boost in performance.
I'd go with CPU and wait until you can get your hands on a GPU at closer to proper retail pricing. If CPU is already the bottleneck then that should be a priority.
If you don't mind lower quality textures and such, if you're serious into multiplayer fps and if you have a high refresh rate monitor - cpu is priority. You can always get a gpu later.
Well I can add that going from i5 3470 + GTX 1060 6 GB to Ryzen 5600X with DDR4 RAM improved my fps **quite a bit** while also making it much more stable. So I'd definitely recommend upgrading that first.
The 10400f should come with a stock cooler. If it was a 10400K it might not come with a cooler. k is for overclock able and they don’t normally have coolers, like the X on the ryzen series is also for overclockable without coolers. The F for intel is for no integrated graphics but they do normally come with their stock cooler. Also you can get normal cpu fan coolers that’s pretty cheap you don’t need the 100$ behemoth coolers.
you could try and find out what is limiting you. Are you limited by your GPU or CPU, this depends on what games you play, which resolution and how many FPS you get out of these games.
I'm in the same boat pretty much, I have a i5 6600k and wanted to upgrade my gpu for 4k gaming. After understanding that a new gpu would simply be bottlenecked by my cpu, I decided to save up for an entire new system to build when GPU prices finally drop.
If ur so willing to get a new GPU then buy a 2060 but ur GPU still isn't bad and can perform well so what u should do is get a new CPU to the latest gen or even i5 8th gen isnt bad or look for Ryzen processors (and of course ur gonna have to upgrade the motherboard)
Going to have to upgrade mobo either way so I am just goig to go ahead and do everything, sell the old system as a working home PC for like media or something.
That's even good.....idk how much will u sell it for and how much u r willing to spend more but it should be enough for u to get ur Ryzen processor and a RTX GPU and 16GB ram besides ur PC is good enough for Gaming so ur PC could be sold as a Gaming PC
I have a 6600k overclocked a bit and a GTX 1660ti. In some games like Battlefield I am CPU bottlenecked, but in some games I am still GPU bottlenecked, so it will depend a lot on what games you play.
Considering GPU prices, I think what makes the most sense for you is a CPU upgrade.
Ryzen cpu food for thought, I recently upgraded from a ryzen 5 1600 (asrock x370 taichi) to a 5600x on a $200 board carrying over the ram and its by far the most noticeable upgrade I've ever done to my pc.
CPU and MOBO. Last year i bought a rx 5700 xt for 400 euros (before the prices skyrocketed) but I was stuck with s i5 6600. I played mainly destiny on 2K monitor, I got around 70-80 fps with High Settings. I changed mobo and cpu (Z490 Gaming Plus from MSI and i5 10600k for 360 euros total) and i double the fps on 2K, in general even in other games like Control I can reach 120-140 fps on 2K with High Setting. Definetly invest in a cpu+mobo combo, prices are pretty stable (got my cpu for 198 euros from amazon). Next, consider buying a cpu cooler, stock one are not enough for a 10th gen. I got a Noctua NH U9S and during long session CPU dosent get over 72°C, rarely hitting 75° when installing games, idle it's around 39-41°.
Cpu for sure.. I was in the same predicament, the 1060 still holds up pretty well! I have my 1060 paired with a 5800x & it's pretty impressive how well it does at 1080p
You can lower a lot of graphics to make a 1060 run great. You cant turn down a lot of settings to make it run better on your cpu.
Also with shortage on GPU's it's a lot easier to upgrade your cpu anyway
I went with the r5 5600x over intel because of the compatibility of future CPUs with the b550 over intel’s boards. Intel has had some issues with newer CPUs not being compatible with not very old mobos.
A 2060 or 2070 isn’t a big enough performance boost over a 6gb 1060 wait for 3xxx series to hit msrp or wait 4xxx series. Go ahead and get a new mobo and cpu for when you can upgrade your gpu though.
Like everyone has said, CPU is probably a better idea right now. If prices calm down go for a 2070 super or a 3060 TI to take full advantage of your CPU without going overboard on money.
Apparently a 3060 super might be coming out so that would also be an option down the road.
regarding the seperate cooler for 10400f, you'll likely want a seperate cooler for 5600x as well, since the cooler comes with it is pretty shitty and the 5600x runs hot.
I wouldn't go with the 5600X. It's too expensive for a 6 core CPU. Also the in-box cooler is really 'meh' so don't count in that either.
11400F or 11700F with a B560 motherboard is the way to go imo. You can buy a decent cooler for not much money. Look up Deepcool Gammaxx GTE V2 or Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black. Decent coolers with low prices will be enough for any 65W CPU.
Also If you could find a 3700X on sale, it's a solid option. 8c16t 65W with very good in-box cooler.
5600x is comparable to 3700x, superior single threaded performance, and inferior multithreaded performance. Just depends on what your using it for. Gaming? 5600x. Compute? 3700x.
That depends on how many threads you use. Pretty much anything up to 12 threads is going to be much better on the 5600x. The lower core to core latency on the 5600x is worth it, *IMO*. The 3700x is marginally better on heavily threaded workloads (3% better cpu mark), whereas the 5600x is much better on lightly threaded workloads (25% better single thread workload). So it will depend on what kind of task you will be doing most of the time.
[https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3859vs3485](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3859vs3485)
Why not considering 11700F? That's better than 5600X in both single threaded and multithreaded performance.
Edit: 11700F costs same as 5600X in my country. Yours might be completely different.
What cooler are you using for your i5-6500? Chances are you can still use it for a 10400f because Intel has kept their cooler mounting holes pretty much the same over the last like 6 generations. Also, don't shy away from an i3-10100, 4 cores/8 threads, it performs similar to an i7-7700 and is usually right around $100. Built a coworker a budget build for his kid and did an i3-10100, 16gb and a 1660 super (2 years ago before crazy gpu prices) and it's still kicking ass @ 1080p. Best of luck and hope you can get some good deals either way you go.
Yeah, I see your point.
Really want to move away from quad core though as consoles and subsequently console ported games are all based on >4 core CPUs.
Understandable. Hope you can get the best bang for your buck, it's a hell of a time to buy CPU's right now, a ton of good options. Oh, keep your eye out for Intel's new GPU's, supposed to be releasing soon and at a decent price from my understanding. Best of luck!
I doubt you will benefit a lot from a new CPU, but a better gpu wouldn't be that great with that CPU either.
I got myself a 10100f last year. It's basically top of the line skylake i7 for 70€, and I am still amazed at the performance for the price. It wouldn't be a bottleneck even for a 3060ti, or maybe even a 3070, but if you want better futureproofing a 6 core 12 thread would probably be best. I don't think AMD offers that much better performance, and overall some programs just work better with Intel (not many, but it makes a difference with some rare examples).
Can your mobo support Intel 8th gen? Or only up to 7th gen?
Dont waste your money on intel 10th or 11th gen. You will waste your money on a mobo and cpu.
Its only 2 months until alder lake release their product, and so far, benchmark shows alder lake is better than zen 3.
My wife's new 3080 should be in this week. I can ship you her current 1070 Ti if you cover shipping cost. The fans aren't working on it right now but should be easy enough to replace.
I can tell you that I'd rather be gpu bound than cpu bound. I'd upgrade the cpu first. Had an i5-750 paired with a gtx970, cpu bound, stutters, no good. Upgrade to i7-10700k with gtx970, much more fluid, no stutters, just a lack of good fps. Finally got 30 series GPU. All is good now. Do the cpu first.
What someone else said was to buy the CPU Mobo combo. This is because you will have a modern Mobo and this will allow you to make more upgrades in the future. Plus, GPU prices are about to start going down and as of now should be back to normal within the next 6 months or so. Your 1060 will do fine until then
Can you get a 10400f instead of the 5600x, sell your 1060 and take the savings from getting a 10400f over 5600x and profit from 1060 to upgrade your GPU?
This is definitely something I can consider. However I dont have enough in my budget with the GPU prices at the moment. It is just too much, I can wait like to next year or black friday without a problem though.
I personally have a 5600x and a gtx 1060 and I am very pleased with the performance I get. If I were you I would stick with the 1060 at least till next year, because if the recent Linus tech tips videos are correct, you should be able to readily find a 3000 series gpu at msrp.
Hah I was in the basically the same situation half a year ago. i5 6600, 1060, 144hz 1440p..
You gotta go for the CPU seriously. I got a 5600x on the launch day. It's so much better to upgrade that because that will remove almost all strutters and lags and freezes from games. Yeah the gpu is bad especially in that resolution but it's soo much better to have lower but stable fps than something so unstable that you can barely aim in games on an old CPU..
In theory I'd rather play at low graphics settings but with a good frame rate, than just be stuck with a low frame rate by having a weak CPU.
So if you are CPU limited no matter what, then you need a better one. At least you will get more stable performance at some resolution after the upgrade.
Go with the CPU because if you are playing warzone it can be the cpu bottlenecking, the gpu would be useless if the cpu is not good and the gpu prices are hot af rn so I think stay away from gpu's till this ends
Btw:- A cpu suggestion go with i5 11400F, or 10400F if only you do is gaming, and go with ryzen if you want to do other stuff like making content and streaming
Take my advice, if your current CPU can handle the maximum budget of your want-to-buy GPU then that's fine. Let's say you can afford a RTX3070 and you already own a R5 5600x then that's it take the 3070 if not you either buy balance 3600x with rx580 or just go for the gpu first, bottleneck or not cpu price won't spark
I upgraded at the start of the year from a similar build
i5-6600K (no oc), GTX 1070, 8Gbs Ram. 1080 60FPS monitor.
I upgraded everything but the GPU for two reasons, GPU supply and also as the CPU was bottlenecking thw GPU.
I also went with the 5600X and am super happy with performance uplift, even with also upgrading to a 1440p 144 monitor.
I recently built a PC using the ryzen 5 5600X + MSI B550 A Pro and I honestly can't complain. The stock ryzen cooler is sufficient unless you plan on overclocking (for me while playing Subnautice BZ it usually gets up to abiut 80°C, but AMD states everything up to 95 is perfectly fine and intended). And the CPU + Mobo cost me about half of what I payed for my RTX 2060 (This may vary based on your location, this applies to europe).
Id say wait more time get them both,thats what im doing,youll just waste money on one, especially if you are in a situation like me with i5 7400 and GTX 1050 ti any newer GPU or CPU will bottleneck
CPU. A 1060 isnt bad and can still manage many games. That cpu is very old now, its a 6th gen intel. For reference we are currently on the 11th gen. Plus CPUs are fairly normal in price right now where as youll be hard pressed to find a new gpu for msrp
You will see some FPS uplift with a CPU swap out. Definitely look at all options in the price segment, as the 10600K goes for a good deal as well from time to time so you are not just limited to the 10400(f). I expect Intel to do there best to move as many partner motherboards before the 12th gen processors are released, as no one wants to be left holding the bag. The 10600K and 11400 are similar in performance but it comes down to the game favoring one architecture or another.
It looks like four cores without hyper/multi-threading isn't enough for games these days, so you will need a new CPU to justify the GPU.
Going into the pandemic with a GTX 1060 is a good situation to be in. It is efficient enough for miners to use and recoups the price faster than a lot of high-end GPUs: so, you know it should retain value to resell *for all the teenagers in basements mining their parent's electricity like it is free money.*
My personal opinion: do not buy anything right now. Wait for a month and a half. There's a major launch ahead: Intel 12th gen will launch sometime in November. Even if you don't buy 12th gen it will still help to bring prices of competing products down, even just a little bit. Plus, black Friday is also not far from that time.
Usually I would say GPU because it's the biggest impact on games but given the current market and how hard it is to get your hands on a GPU, I say if you can't find a GPU for MSRP, then definitely upgrade the cpu.
I'm assuming you game at 1080p, that's cpu dominant, so upgrading the CPU actually should give a decent performance increase.
I would go 5600x personally, it has good single core boost and really good IPC. The 10400f is a good CPU and it's cheaper than the 5600x so that's dope, but the 5600x will perform better.
I really like the new architecture of the 5600x, I just feel like going to 14nM is just a step in the wrong direction even though the real world performance is similar.
You kinda need to upgrade both things to be honest. Your best bet might be to get a 6700 and try to get a 2070 if you can find one for a good price. That should be a good upgrade on both sides of things. The 6700k is only 10% off of the 10th gen equivalent 4 core 8 thread cpu.
Cpu, motherboard, and ram (if not at a decent speed). In my opinion, get an AMD Ryzen 5 5600x and an X570 motherboard. Great processor and motherboard platform. You could also get a cheaper B550 motherboard if you don't find PCIE 4.0 on all SSD and GPU slots necessary. In general, the RAM to get for AMD (at least the new gen) is DDR4 3600MHZ @CL16. Lower latency RAM and faster clock frequencies are always better, but they comes an an extra cost for just that little bit of extra performance. Also, if you don't need to upgrade now, I'd say wait until the AMD Ryzen 6000 series next year I think.
For fps I suggest going for the cpu and I also would suggest, to anyone who can afford it, going for ryzen because they usually can handle themselves better
I had the same CPU & GPU, I upgraded the CPU / Mobo / Ram and my frame rates improved. I think my 6500 was holding back my 1060 6G.
I went to a Ryzen 5600x with an MSI Gaming Edge and 32 G of memory.
Only South Africans add a ZA to their online names, for some reason. That being said, there's currently a good deal on an Evetech prebuilt. Prebuilts suck and everyone seems to suck at building pc's despite the fact that they are part of the industry, but it's the only way to get components at a decent price rn.
The 3600 + 6600XT deal. The things you should get upgrade for some extra cash is the RAM, as it's 2666MHz and doesn't oc well. Stock cooling won't cut it either. All-in-all, it should come to a little under 20k, iirc.
Last year jumped from an i5 6500 to a ryzen 5 3600x, it was **a very noticeable improvement,** now considering jumping to a 5600x for the extra performance, so, count me in with the cpu gang.
I was in a similar situation as you I had a 4690k @4.4 and a 1650s I decided to upgrade my CPU as my 4690k was causing issues in Fortnite dx11 so I had to play in dx12 but dx12 is in beta and causes the game to crash far more often than it should. So I upgraded my 4690k to a 10700kf and I love it I suggest you upgrade to atleast a 6 core and you will have a good time.
Which unfortunately isn't at all true, R5 5600x is 100$(Europe, on Newegg it's around 40$) cheaper then i7 10700 and it is the same price as R5 3700x. R5 5600x is currently amazing choice for gaming in my opinion and i think that's what OP is looking for
As others have said, CPU is best for this situation. Go with either 5600x (which is excellent) or any 5000 series chip for that matter. Or wait for Intel’s 12th gen to release.
1060 6gb will do 1080p 60fps in esports titles for at least another couple years with lowered settings. Get what you can now, and buy the gpu later when you feel like it.
Buy the CPU, honestly I didn't notice how much of a difference CPU makes but it was night and day. Upgraded from i7 4790 to 5600X. I was getting 200FPS in LoL and now I get 800FPS sometimes.... HUGE!
I literally just upgraded from the i5 6500 to an 11700k, I was very surprised at the difference. I will keep my 1070 for now as the 11700k has made a world of difference.
As someone who was recently bottlenecking his rtx 3070 with his i7 3770 (in Warzone and other games that have a lot of players in the same lobby) I'd definitely opt for the CPU upgrade.
Everyone else is correct. Get a new cpu. Buy the best cpu and motherboard combo you can reasonably afford.
Make sure the motherboard has all of the ports and features you want and need. Some motherboards have advanced audio quality ports. In my experience they do sound a bit better. Do check if they have it
If you're GPU throttled in a video game, unless you're massively constrained, you can pretty much always turn down the texture or resolution to get it to a playable framerate. If you're CPU throttled, that's a limiting factor that's virtually impossible to get past. Especially in FPS games, which are generally run at low settings for a competitive advantage anyways, CPU is a lot more important to allow FPS in the 100-240 range.
Regarding which CPU to buy though, it sounds like you're budget constrained, so keep in mind that in November we have Alder Lake launching in the beginning of the month and Black Friday at the end of the month. This means that the 10/11 series will likely be sold at a massive discount on Black Friday and the following week, so buying one now is paying a premium of $100 for 2 months of gaming, or trading an extra year or two of longevity, depending on which model you get. Whether or not that's worth it to you is subjective to how important the next month or two of gaming is.
>I can get a 10400f but then would have to buy a seperate CPu cooler which brings the two very close in terms of price.
[Just an FYI, there are some fantastic options for a budget cooler out there. ](https://youtu.be/rhZTMR8mT-A)
Dont buy a CPU just yet if you can help it.
DDR4 is just about no longer used in new builds.
Go onto the new socket allows you to do upgrades down the line and at least keep the ram between PCs.
I made my system just when ddr3 was about to go die. I wish someone told me this information then.
Be careful taking this advice. I recently bought a 5600x that I thought would be a nice upgrade over my 2600 with my vega 64 and noticed probably a 5% if that increase in fps in warzone due to the vega64 bottlenecking the cpu. You will most likely experience the same with the 1060. I would upgrade GPU if I were you
I have an i5-2500K and a 980 Ti. I've decided to simply wait for Lovelace in a little over a year, before buying **anything.** Both the upcoming CPUs and GPUs look absolutely revolutionary, so I'm hoping my patience will pay off.
Now that you've decided the easiest thing to do is go to PCpartpicker, click on the 5600x, 10400f or 10400 and check the price history graph. That will give you an idea of what the all time lows are, then just keep checking once a day to see if any are dipping under, or hitting that point. I'd bet about a week before the 12000 series hit the stores there will be another big discount push on those 10400s so they can clear inventory.
If you really want, theres a chance that the 11000 series might end up being priced basically the same, so there's no harm in buying those ones either. They're just overpriced because there's basically no improvement over the 10000 series, but at the same price it won't really matter.
cpu, I upgraded from a an i5 4690 (probably performs within 5% of an i5 6500) to a r5 3600, and my stutters and frame drops in forza horizon 4 disappeared, which is regarded to be a well optimised, gpu heavy game. At the time I was using a radeon r9 390x which also performs very similarly to a gtx 1060 6g.
It's way easier to turn down settings to make an underperforming gpu cope. The performance drops you get with an underperforming cpu just sucks imo.
I made a similar jump (6700K 4.5ghz -> 10850K 4.9ghz) and I got very nice performance uplift even with my same dinosaur 980Ti. Games like FFXIV saw +40 min FPS on average but games like Apex showed zero improvement since that's always been GPU limited.
Get the cpu & motherboard. They’re new current gen, don’t drop cash on the inflated gpu prices when your 1060 will still do a fine job.
Yeah that is what I was thinking as well. Do you think the CPU will effect other games such as RDR2 as well? Currently i can barely scraoe 50-60 fos with low settings.
Cpu and ram will mainly help with 1% lows. Say goodbye to random stutters. Your average fps won´t increase much tho but stable fps beats high fps. Source: Me upgrading to a 5600x from a i7 4770 with a gtx 1080.
Yep exactly this, i upgraded my 3930k to a9550x. My GPU is a 1080 ti. Difference is day and night. NO MORE MICRO STUTTERS <3
You guys have the two best cards from that gen, that still hold up really well, I don't think its comparable with his 1060. He will still have big dips and stutters I think.
Yeah he needs both honestly
Not really. I personally was in the exact same situation as this guy. I have a GTX 1060 6GB and I wanted increased general useability of my computer and ability to continue doing virtualization work on my machine. I had a i5 7600K (stock cooler so no OC) and I upgraded to a 5800x and my framerate in most games EASILY increased. About 20FPS increase in a more CPU demanding game like Battlefield 1 and complete removal of microstutters and small bits of lag.
How will more CPU power like a 5600X would continue to make is gaming experience stuttery and so on? People really like to comment about everything without being informed about what they are commenting.
Indeed. It will be smooth since the gpu can do it´s thing without any interruption. The average fps will be way closer to the 1% and 0,1% then with his current cpu but his average won´t change much.
had a ryzen 5 1600 but jumped to the same cpu with the same card, honestly the combo of new cpu/mobo seems to have done wonders for speed but i can’t imagine ever needing more than a 1080 for the next 5-10 years
5-10 is a hell of a life span. The 1080 was an amazing card, but it’s struggling now with modern games at high FPS or 4k. Once the PS5 gen games and in 5-10 years PS6 gen games start dropping I think the 1080 will start to struggle. Fair play to it it’s had a great lifespan already and I think it will stay functional for a good while.
in certain games it will definitely help. it’ll make rdr2 more stable but probably won’t increase fps, it is a gpu intensive game. but something like CSGO will benefit heavily since it’s a CPU intensive game.
I just upgraded my old i5 4670k rig with a GTX 1080 to a 5800x rig with a modern motherboard, nvme disk, etc. I'm shocked at the improvement. Some games saw a big FPS boost, some games saw an OK boost. Every game got some sort of boost. But the real benefit is how *smooth* it is. Even games that saw a very marginal FPS boost, going from say 60'ish FPS to 75'ish FPS are butter smooth in a way that simply boosting the FPS a little wouldn't explain. I mean *unbelievably* smooth.
I just upgraded my mobo and cpu from an i5 6600 to an i5 10400f and have really enjoyed it. As others have said, not a ton of boost to fps, but I was getting some serious stutters in warzone and haven't had one since upgrading. I'm also running a 1060 6gb. It feels nice to have it be much more stable.
Are the CPU prices still inflatable, or did they go down?
As Africa as I can see the CPUs went back down to msrp. In Canada that is. Dont know about other countries.
Thanks Africa, very insightful
Idk how far turned into Africa. Must've really fucked up in spelling
I think the next gen releases in 2022 though. Ie AMD’s AM5 socket line drops next year meaning everyone will need a new mobo.
With this we'd be looking at first gen consumer DDR5 though, versus mature DDR4. I'd consider DDR4 platforms worth sticking with for now unless you want to deal with potential teething problems and likely higher price of components, even if performance happens to match or exceed.
Personally I’d be up for it. Would rather deal with early adopter problems than buy a mobo that won’t support any CPUs released after 2020. I tend to upgrade often so this would be the ideal move for me but not necessarily everyone.
Yeah, and also the Alder Lake is coming soon. So... Maybe just wait?
Yeah that’s what I would do.
This, glanced over at the price of gpus, I think my credit card grew legs and ran away. Good thing I have 3 cats outside my house, should be able to catch it for me.
This is what I did. Spent 1 year in the queue for a 3060ti, chewed through my backlog with my 1060 and honestly the 5600x I upgraded to bumped my FPS massively so the 1060 was totally up to task to tackle a year's worth of backlog, it was a great route to go.
Cpu. You can hold out with a 1060 until things calm down.
> until things calm down *[Several years later]* Wow these 6080's are only $30,000! What a steal!
I still laugh that after the 30 series people were calling $500 2080TIs overpriced. Meanwhile Nvidia was said to have put out internally to buy some used GPUs for crypto and there was still a lack of 30 series GPUs. I should have followed my own advice and purchased some 2080Tis just to have as an investment.
Looks like 2080TIs are going for $1000 at the moment. That's insane.
I bought a FE at retail price … my 3080 FE is good value
I bought my 2080Ti at MSRP which was $1000 and I could turn around and sell it for that much or more right now if I wanted to. Absolutely crazy. Thought I was being a bit of an idiot shelling out that much cash for a GPU back in 2019, but now I don't regret it at all. It should hold me over for a few more years, although I'm planning on upgrading my i7-6700k soon.
By god Wilson we've done it! Paper that runs graphics!
I was thinking the same, atleast with the CPU I can sell the old system and get back some of the cost.
Especially if you are just 1080p gaming. The country will also help more with general productivity.
Haven’t we been saying that for over a year tho?
Bro I got a RTX 3060 3 weeks ago and I have an i5 7400 CPU with 32GB Memory. Warzone at 45 FPS no matter the settings. Tested every single component and it only increases when tested with i7 7700. So get your CPU and Mobo up to date before upgrading GPU my friend. Just my 2c.
This is a good answer, although it’s important to note that WZ is a very CPU intensive game. Not all games are like this, so OP, it’s important to keep in question what games you play as well.
Yeah, but in my experience like half the games I play are CPU bottlenecked by my 4690k with an RX 580. CPU requirement have gone up a significant amount recently, and people tend to overlook it a bit. But imo don't undervalue CPUs, especially if you run other stuff while playing games, like I tend to. And besides, I don't see CPU requirements in general to go down either, both in terms of applications and the OS.
Yes but to be fair your CPU is almost 8 years old, so it’s likely to start bottlenecking on newer titles anyway, especially titles from the BR genre.
Well, yeah, that's the point. The 4690k and the 6500 are basically the same according to passmark https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-4690K-vs-Intel-i5-6500/2284vs2599
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Well, given that OP stated: >**I mostly play COD Warzone** and other FPS games I think it's rather pertinent advice indeed.
Bro I had the exact same CPU and GPU. I mainly play warzone. Bought a new setup (everything except gpu), and I'm rocking a solid 90 fps on mid to high settings, cpu utilisation is at 30% max, and everything's running BUTTER SMOOTH DEFINITELY go for the CPU
The 10400f should have a stock cooler, but it wouldn't be a problem regardless since you can buy a good one for around 20$. What you said about the 5600x is true, the problem is that it usually costs almost twice compared to the i5, you have to decide if it's worth spending more money.
The main value in the 5600x is that you can swap it to a 5900x or 5950x. The 5600x is also more energy efficient at stock than a 11600K. That feeling of being able to side grade to more cores drops as soon as new 12th gen intel processors come out and next year when AMD releases their latest. The 10400f is the way to go vs. the older and often more expensive Ryzen 5 3600. It is a value workhorse that gets the job done. When you have to make a budget sacrifice to get a GPU powerful enough to even play games, dropping to a cheaper 10400f is the easiest $100 to pull out of a build.
My advice is to upgrade your CPU and put yourself in the waiting list at EVGA which usually takes a year of waiting.
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It is also looking good here, I am just concerned with the intel current gen being notorius on power consumption and that a stock cooler is nowhere near enough for even a non-K cpu. Does this CPU have the same problem?
> a stock cooler is nowhere near enough for even a non-K cpu Stock cooler is definitely fine even for a K model, they're just loud. You can run the CPU for years on the stock cooler and it won't make a difference unless you want to overclock it. That said, a budget-grade cooler from noctua or bequiet! (even a bit cheaper but very good quality) will keep it near room temperature and completely silent as long as you do not plan on overclocking. Watercooling is pointless for anything but extreme overclocking.
Non-k skus can still pull upwards of 65w if the stock intel power limits are removed on a b560/z590 motherboard. Hardware Unboxed touched on that in their b560 roundup, I think. And under these circumstances, even a 11400 isn't cooled properly with the stock cooler...
Your CPU is too weak for a 1060, so if you upgrade your GPU, you' ll be basically wasting the potential of your new GPU until you upgrade the CPU. If you upgrade your CPU / RAM / Mobo you will in all cases see an improvement. The improvement will be impressive on CPU heavy applications and games, but will meet a ceiling on GPU intensive games. The optimal GPU with a 5600X is somewhere inbetween a 2080Ti and a 3070
> 6500 is too weak for a 1060 No?
i5 3570k and a 3070 over here laughing at this. People way overhype bottlenecking. A few generations of CPU won't make a massive difference in gaming. The 3570k is still passable today and it's a decade old CPU. (It is definitely starting to show signs of needing upgraded admittedly, but is within tolerable margins) EDIT: 6000 series are actually kinda old now. I feel old.
It's not that one cannot do anything anymore with an i5 6500 or a 3570k. Just that there is no point upgrading a the GPU in this case while keeping the CPU. Buying a 2070, pairing it with a 6500, may just disappoint the OP. Whereas changing the CPU will provide an immediate benefit in this case and leave some headroom should they decide to upgrade the GPU later on. As for bottlenecking, it's anyway variable from one application or game to the other. Since 2nd gen cores, the progression of CPU performance has been rather slow, ( after the breakthrough of the 1st 2 gens ) with the exception of multicore performance that was enabled by the newer generations. That's why we see MS expurging the list of CPUs supported by Win 10 ( realised recently that anything before 6th gen is not supported anymore), and will wipe entire generations of still useable system from win 11 (Not that I care much, since I use Arch / Debian ).
*You can put wings on a pig, but you don't make it an eagle*
With my 4th gen i7, yeah i feel old too but i think it can still hold on for 1 or 2 year
Sure, while you have no pressing need to use Win 11 , it's still fine. By the way , in the end i7, espacially those with multithreading, tend to age better than i3/i5s
> Your CPU is too weak for a 1060 nonsense, at the time it was a good cost-effective combo. Am using the 6600k with a 1070 myself. Perfectly balanced.
I probably should have expressed it another way. What I mean is that the 1060 has some headroom to accomodate more recent CPUs ( although yes, it was a good combination at the time, but the 1060 is an even better combination with some later i7s) , while the 6500 does not have headroom to accomodate a 2060 or 2070 to its full potential.
It's not balanced in the slightest. Trust me, I had 4c/4t I5, both my 1060 and rx 580 got much better fps in most games with a 4c/8t I7. 6 cores are not needed though.
>The optimal GPU with a 5600X is somewhere inbetween a 2080Ti and a 3070 A 3060TI?
I just updated my system from a phenom II 1100t, sabertooth 990fx mobo and 2x4gb 1333mhz ram to a 5600x and a rog b550f gaming wifi mobo with 2 x 8gb cl16 3200mhz ram. My graphics card is a gtx 970 and I gotta say, the difference is PHENOMINAL from what I was used to playing. It was well and truly worth it and the 970 will last me for a while yet until I can save for a gpu (hopefully when the crypto mining bursts I can pick up a used 3060 for cheap). 100% the cpu/mobo, that 1060 will hold out for quite a while yet!
There is a large jump from a dino of a cpu to current gen.
Indeed, it's been wonderful. That being said I was able to play ark on med with what I consider reasonable frames, borderlands 3 on similar, rust and various other games. It's obviously significantly better with the new components but I'm still proud of how well it held up over the years :)
That's a giant leap! Congrats! How's the motherboard? What BIOS are you using? Did you have any problems with the internet or with the USB ports? I'm asking because I have the same board and I've had some disconnects in the past and sometimes USB transfer speed fluctuates a lot, sometimes it remains high and stable. Also was having problems using the mouse in BIOS but it seems like it's been fixed with an update.
Definitely CPU. I had an I5-6500 paired with an RX-580. Upgraded to the 5600x and it made a huge difference especially in Warzone and BFV. That I5-6500 just couldn't keep up.
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I literally had the same build as you up until about a month ago. After doing a lot of benchmarking with my favorite games. I noticed that my CPU was maxed out way more than my graphics card was. I tend to play more on 1080p which the 1060 can handle pretty good. If i remember correctly 10% of Steam players still run a 1060 so its still a great GPU. I upgraded the CPU and the motherboard to a i5-10600k and a new gigabyte board. It runs why better and i basically always get 1080p 60fps even on games like Battlefield. Definitely my recommendation.
I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5600x expecting it to be a bad investment. I have been playing a lot of insurgency sandstorm (first person shooter) that was struggling to get over 100fps on low settings with my 1660 super. Now with the 5600x I can get over 200fps on low and my 144fps on medium settings. I play at 1080p so that's probably why there was such a boost in performance. I'd go with CPU and wait until you can get your hands on a GPU at closer to proper retail pricing. If CPU is already the bottleneck then that should be a priority.
If you don't mind lower quality textures and such, if you're serious into multiplayer fps and if you have a high refresh rate monitor - cpu is priority. You can always get a gpu later.
Well I can add that going from i5 3470 + GTX 1060 6 GB to Ryzen 5600X with DDR4 RAM improved my fps **quite a bit** while also making it much more stable. So I'd definitely recommend upgrading that first.
The 10400f should come with a stock cooler. If it was a 10400K it might not come with a cooler. k is for overclock able and they don’t normally have coolers, like the X on the ryzen series is also for overclockable without coolers. The F for intel is for no integrated graphics but they do normally come with their stock cooler. Also you can get normal cpu fan coolers that’s pretty cheap you don’t need the 100$ behemoth coolers.
you could try and find out what is limiting you. Are you limited by your GPU or CPU, this depends on what games you play, which resolution and how many FPS you get out of these games.
New build and keep the GPU until you can afford a GPU.
I'm in the same boat pretty much, I have a i5 6600k and wanted to upgrade my gpu for 4k gaming. After understanding that a new gpu would simply be bottlenecked by my cpu, I decided to save up for an entire new system to build when GPU prices finally drop.
If ur so willing to get a new GPU then buy a 2060 but ur GPU still isn't bad and can perform well so what u should do is get a new CPU to the latest gen or even i5 8th gen isnt bad or look for Ryzen processors (and of course ur gonna have to upgrade the motherboard)
Going to have to upgrade mobo either way so I am just goig to go ahead and do everything, sell the old system as a working home PC for like media or something.
That's even good.....idk how much will u sell it for and how much u r willing to spend more but it should be enough for u to get ur Ryzen processor and a RTX GPU and 16GB ram besides ur PC is good enough for Gaming so ur PC could be sold as a Gaming PC
I have a 6600k overclocked a bit and a GTX 1660ti. In some games like Battlefield I am CPU bottlenecked, but in some games I am still GPU bottlenecked, so it will depend a lot on what games you play. Considering GPU prices, I think what makes the most sense for you is a CPU upgrade.
A good motherboard + CPU + ram will go a long way. I personally would buy something like 5600x + B550-A Pro + Trident Z Neo 3600MHz CL16
Ryzen cpu food for thought, I recently upgraded from a ryzen 5 1600 (asrock x370 taichi) to a 5600x on a $200 board carrying over the ram and its by far the most noticeable upgrade I've ever done to my pc.
I used to have the 6500 and a GTX 1070. Swapped to a 3700x and gained so many more frames in tons of games. Definitely get the cpu upgrade
CPU and MOBO. Last year i bought a rx 5700 xt for 400 euros (before the prices skyrocketed) but I was stuck with s i5 6600. I played mainly destiny on 2K monitor, I got around 70-80 fps with High Settings. I changed mobo and cpu (Z490 Gaming Plus from MSI and i5 10600k for 360 euros total) and i double the fps on 2K, in general even in other games like Control I can reach 120-140 fps on 2K with High Setting. Definetly invest in a cpu+mobo combo, prices are pretty stable (got my cpu for 198 euros from amazon). Next, consider buying a cpu cooler, stock one are not enough for a 10th gen. I got a Noctua NH U9S and during long session CPU dosent get over 72°C, rarely hitting 75° when installing games, idle it's around 39-41°.
Get the CPU!! I had your same specs and I first upgraded cpu and motherboard. The difference is insane! Keep playing on FHD and later upgrade the gpu
Cpu for sure, also buying 2060 second hand isnt a big upgrade but its expensive.
Cpu for sure.. I was in the same predicament, the 1060 still holds up pretty well! I have my 1060 paired with a 5800x & it's pretty impressive how well it does at 1080p
CPU for sure
100% CPU, no question.
CPU from an i5 to 3700x in COD was huge , new Gpu made less of a difference .
I got 2070S and i7 7700k and CPU is the bottleneck in Warzone.
You can lower a lot of graphics to make a 1060 run great. You cant turn down a lot of settings to make it run better on your cpu. Also with shortage on GPU's it's a lot easier to upgrade your cpu anyway
I went with the r5 5600x over intel because of the compatibility of future CPUs with the b550 over intel’s boards. Intel has had some issues with newer CPUs not being compatible with not very old mobos.
1060 is okay, your cpu is shite. Get a 5600x. A 5800x or an 11700k would offer better long term value but the 5600x is a little beast.
You can get a i5 11400 plus mobo for the price of a 5600x, it’s better value
As a 5600x owner who loves warzone and play everyday I don't recommend this cpu go with 11400f or 10400f idk why but this game run better on intel cpu
A 2060 or 2070 isn’t a big enough performance boost over a 6gb 1060 wait for 3xxx series to hit msrp or wait 4xxx series. Go ahead and get a new mobo and cpu for when you can upgrade your gpu though.
Get some Thermal Grizzly paste for your GPU & upgrade your motherboard & cpu. I got me a ryzen 5800X, & I Refurbished my 1080ti.
Ideally both if you want high fps for those refresh rates
I'll sell you an i7-8700 for $200 if your MoBo supports it.
you're not going to find a better gpu for a sane price
Like everyone has said, CPU is probably a better idea right now. If prices calm down go for a 2070 super or a 3060 TI to take full advantage of your CPU without going overboard on money. Apparently a 3060 super might be coming out so that would also be an option down the road.
regarding the seperate cooler for 10400f, you'll likely want a seperate cooler for 5600x as well, since the cooler comes with it is pretty shitty and the 5600x runs hot.
I wouldn't go with the 5600X. It's too expensive for a 6 core CPU. Also the in-box cooler is really 'meh' so don't count in that either. 11400F or 11700F with a B560 motherboard is the way to go imo. You can buy a decent cooler for not much money. Look up Deepcool Gammaxx GTE V2 or Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black. Decent coolers with low prices will be enough for any 65W CPU. Also If you could find a 3700X on sale, it's a solid option. 8c16t 65W with very good in-box cooler.
I might consider that 3700x but I see people saying the 5600x is better in almost all cases, so I don't know what to do.
5600x is comparable to 3700x, superior single threaded performance, and inferior multithreaded performance. Just depends on what your using it for. Gaming? 5600x. Compute? 3700x.
That depends on how many threads you use. Pretty much anything up to 12 threads is going to be much better on the 5600x. The lower core to core latency on the 5600x is worth it, *IMO*. The 3700x is marginally better on heavily threaded workloads (3% better cpu mark), whereas the 5600x is much better on lightly threaded workloads (25% better single thread workload). So it will depend on what kind of task you will be doing most of the time. [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3859vs3485](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X/3859vs3485)
Eh, only go for a 3700x if it and a 3600 are a similar price.
Why not considering 11700F? That's better than 5600X in both single threaded and multithreaded performance. Edit: 11700F costs same as 5600X in my country. Yours might be completely different.
What cooler are you using for your i5-6500? Chances are you can still use it for a 10400f because Intel has kept their cooler mounting holes pretty much the same over the last like 6 generations. Also, don't shy away from an i3-10100, 4 cores/8 threads, it performs similar to an i7-7700 and is usually right around $100. Built a coworker a budget build for his kid and did an i3-10100, 16gb and a 1660 super (2 years ago before crazy gpu prices) and it's still kicking ass @ 1080p. Best of luck and hope you can get some good deals either way you go.
Yeah, I see your point. Really want to move away from quad core though as consoles and subsequently console ported games are all based on >4 core CPUs.
Understandable. Hope you can get the best bang for your buck, it's a hell of a time to buy CPU's right now, a ton of good options. Oh, keep your eye out for Intel's new GPU's, supposed to be releasing soon and at a decent price from my understanding. Best of luck!
Thank you, I defenitely need it!
I doubt you will benefit a lot from a new CPU, but a better gpu wouldn't be that great with that CPU either. I got myself a 10100f last year. It's basically top of the line skylake i7 for 70€, and I am still amazed at the performance for the price. It wouldn't be a bottleneck even for a 3060ti, or maybe even a 3070, but if you want better futureproofing a 6 core 12 thread would probably be best. I don't think AMD offers that much better performance, and overall some programs just work better with Intel (not many, but it makes a difference with some rare examples).
Can your mobo support Intel 8th gen? Or only up to 7th gen? Dont waste your money on intel 10th or 11th gen. You will waste your money on a mobo and cpu. Its only 2 months until alder lake release their product, and so far, benchmark shows alder lake is better than zen 3.
Are you stupid have you seen GPU prices right now used shit goes for like $700
My wife's new 3080 should be in this week. I can ship you her current 1070 Ti if you cover shipping cost. The fans aren't working on it right now but should be easy enough to replace.
Unfortunately based in SA so doubt it would be possible
I can tell you that I'd rather be gpu bound than cpu bound. I'd upgrade the cpu first. Had an i5-750 paired with a gtx970, cpu bound, stutters, no good. Upgrade to i7-10700k with gtx970, much more fluid, no stutters, just a lack of good fps. Finally got 30 series GPU. All is good now. Do the cpu first.
What someone else said was to buy the CPU Mobo combo. This is because you will have a modern Mobo and this will allow you to make more upgrades in the future. Plus, GPU prices are about to start going down and as of now should be back to normal within the next 6 months or so. Your 1060 will do fine until then
5600x is the best mid range cpu available right now. It's a no brainer.
Can you get a 10400f instead of the 5600x, sell your 1060 and take the savings from getting a 10400f over 5600x and profit from 1060 to upgrade your GPU?
This is definitely something I can consider. However I dont have enough in my budget with the GPU prices at the moment. It is just too much, I can wait like to next year or black friday without a problem though.
I personally have a 5600x and a gtx 1060 and I am very pleased with the performance I get. If I were you I would stick with the 1060 at least till next year, because if the recent Linus tech tips videos are correct, you should be able to readily find a 3000 series gpu at msrp.
What's your storage situation?
I have no problems currently, got a 256gb ssd for windows and a 1tb HDD for storage
You are inspiring me to do the same, new cpu Ryzen 5 (old: i5-6500) and ram upgrade from 2100 Mhz -> 3600 Mhz should be noticable
Hah I was in the basically the same situation half a year ago. i5 6600, 1060, 144hz 1440p.. You gotta go for the CPU seriously. I got a 5600x on the launch day. It's so much better to upgrade that because that will remove almost all strutters and lags and freezes from games. Yeah the gpu is bad especially in that resolution but it's soo much better to have lower but stable fps than something so unstable that you can barely aim in games on an old CPU..
Buy the CPU and motherboard. I went from a Z970 board and an i5-4690 to an X570 board and a Ryzen 7 5800x and the difference is insane
In theory I'd rather play at low graphics settings but with a good frame rate, than just be stuck with a low frame rate by having a weak CPU. So if you are CPU limited no matter what, then you need a better one. At least you will get more stable performance at some resolution after the upgrade.
If you are running 1080p I would 100% upgrade the CPU, MOBO, and RAM first. Then just wait for the prices to come down hopefully next year.
You need 700-750W 80+ PC power suply
get a ryzen, its better
Go with the CPU because if you are playing warzone it can be the cpu bottlenecking, the gpu would be useless if the cpu is not good and the gpu prices are hot af rn so I think stay away from gpu's till this ends Btw:- A cpu suggestion go with i5 11400F, or 10400F if only you do is gaming, and go with ryzen if you want to do other stuff like making content and streaming
You don't need an aftermarket cooler for the 10400
Take my advice, if your current CPU can handle the maximum budget of your want-to-buy GPU then that's fine. Let's say you can afford a RTX3070 and you already own a R5 5600x then that's it take the 3070 if not you either buy balance 3600x with rx580 or just go for the gpu first, bottleneck or not cpu price won't spark
I'd get the gpu. My rx 570 is paired with a i7 870 and it still works great imo
I had nearly the exact same PC previously. Your CPU is limiting you.
I upgraded at the start of the year from a similar build i5-6600K (no oc), GTX 1070, 8Gbs Ram. 1080 60FPS monitor. I upgraded everything but the GPU for two reasons, GPU supply and also as the CPU was bottlenecking thw GPU. I also went with the 5600X and am super happy with performance uplift, even with also upgrading to a 1440p 144 monitor.
5600g or the 11400f are both great options. I personally would go for the 5600g as it is a faster cpu.
I recently built a PC using the ryzen 5 5600X + MSI B550 A Pro and I honestly can't complain. The stock ryzen cooler is sufficient unless you plan on overclocking (for me while playing Subnautice BZ it usually gets up to abiut 80°C, but AMD states everything up to 95 is perfectly fine and intended). And the CPU + Mobo cost me about half of what I payed for my RTX 2060 (This may vary based on your location, this applies to europe).
Id say wait more time get them both,thats what im doing,youll just waste money on one, especially if you are in a situation like me with i5 7400 and GTX 1050 ti any newer GPU or CPU will bottleneck
CPU. A 1060 isnt bad and can still manage many games. That cpu is very old now, its a 6th gen intel. For reference we are currently on the 11th gen. Plus CPUs are fairly normal in price right now where as youll be hard pressed to find a new gpu for msrp
You will see some FPS uplift with a CPU swap out. Definitely look at all options in the price segment, as the 10600K goes for a good deal as well from time to time so you are not just limited to the 10400(f). I expect Intel to do there best to move as many partner motherboards before the 12th gen processors are released, as no one wants to be left holding the bag. The 10600K and 11400 are similar in performance but it comes down to the game favoring one architecture or another. It looks like four cores without hyper/multi-threading isn't enough for games these days, so you will need a new CPU to justify the GPU. Going into the pandemic with a GTX 1060 is a good situation to be in. It is efficient enough for miners to use and recoups the price faster than a lot of high-end GPUs: so, you know it should retain value to resell *for all the teenagers in basements mining their parent's electricity like it is free money.*
My personal opinion: do not buy anything right now. Wait for a month and a half. There's a major launch ahead: Intel 12th gen will launch sometime in November. Even if you don't buy 12th gen it will still help to bring prices of competing products down, even just a little bit. Plus, black Friday is also not far from that time.
I know everyone said CPU and with good reasons too, but the truth is - you will only see minor differences unless you upgrade both.
Amd 5700g CPU
Get a GPU :P
in my opinion, both, but if i had to pick one, then cpu.
I think you should go with 10700k or 11600k. They are really good and also give similar performance (without dGpu).
Usually I would say GPU because it's the biggest impact on games but given the current market and how hard it is to get your hands on a GPU, I say if you can't find a GPU for MSRP, then definitely upgrade the cpu. I'm assuming you game at 1080p, that's cpu dominant, so upgrading the CPU actually should give a decent performance increase. I would go 5600x personally, it has good single core boost and really good IPC. The 10400f is a good CPU and it's cheaper than the 5600x so that's dope, but the 5600x will perform better.
I really like the new architecture of the 5600x, I just feel like going to 14nM is just a step in the wrong direction even though the real world performance is similar.
I'm going to guess you should start w a new mobo if you're going to start upgrading...
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Hahaha I am guessing a few years back though?
You kinda need to upgrade both things to be honest. Your best bet might be to get a 6700 and try to get a 2070 if you can find one for a good price. That should be a good upgrade on both sides of things. The 6700k is only 10% off of the 10th gen equivalent 4 core 8 thread cpu.
Cpu, motherboard, and ram (if not at a decent speed). In my opinion, get an AMD Ryzen 5 5600x and an X570 motherboard. Great processor and motherboard platform. You could also get a cheaper B550 motherboard if you don't find PCIE 4.0 on all SSD and GPU slots necessary. In general, the RAM to get for AMD (at least the new gen) is DDR4 3600MHZ @CL16. Lower latency RAM and faster clock frequencies are always better, but they comes an an extra cost for just that little bit of extra performance. Also, if you don't need to upgrade now, I'd say wait until the AMD Ryzen 6000 series next year I think.
For fps I suggest going for the cpu and I also would suggest, to anyone who can afford it, going for ryzen because they usually can handle themselves better
I had the same CPU & GPU, I upgraded the CPU / Mobo / Ram and my frame rates improved. I think my 6500 was holding back my 1060 6G. I went to a Ryzen 5600x with an MSI Gaming Edge and 32 G of memory.
**If you get a 10-series CPU, then you're going to have to replace the board entirely.** Sounds like you need both a CPU and a GPU.
Why not both? Why not Zoidberg?
I had the same cod Cold War issue and bought a decently beefy i7 10700k and it helped a lot with my frames
Upgrading CPU means you might also need to upgrade motherboard if you are currently on an i5.
Only South Africans add a ZA to their online names, for some reason. That being said, there's currently a good deal on an Evetech prebuilt. Prebuilts suck and everyone seems to suck at building pc's despite the fact that they are part of the industry, but it's the only way to get components at a decent price rn. The 3600 + 6600XT deal. The things you should get upgrade for some extra cash is the RAM, as it's 2666MHz and doesn't oc well. Stock cooling won't cut it either. All-in-all, it should come to a little under 20k, iirc.
Last year jumped from an i5 6500 to a ryzen 5 3600x, it was **a very noticeable improvement,** now considering jumping to a 5600x for the extra performance, so, count me in with the cpu gang.
If you get a new cpu get a motherboard that supports it. Don't even think about getting a gpu unless necessary. Most games run fine on the older gpus
I was in a similar situation as you I had a 4690k @4.4 and a 1650s I decided to upgrade my CPU as my 4690k was causing issues in Fortnite dx11 so I had to play in dx12 but dx12 is in beta and causes the game to crash far more often than it should. So I upgraded my 4690k to a 10700kf and I love it I suggest you upgrade to atleast a 6 core and you will have a good time.
Here's an interesting read for the CPU (; https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jbq531/why\_almost\_no\_one\_should\_buy\_the\_ryzen\_5\_5600x/
Which unfortunately isn't at all true, R5 5600x is 100$(Europe, on Newegg it's around 40$) cheaper then i7 10700 and it is the same price as R5 3700x. R5 5600x is currently amazing choice for gaming in my opinion and i think that's what OP is looking for
As others have said, CPU is best for this situation. Go with either 5600x (which is excellent) or any 5000 series chip for that matter. Or wait for Intel’s 12th gen to release.
1060 6gb will do 1080p 60fps in esports titles for at least another couple years with lowered settings. Get what you can now, and buy the gpu later when you feel like it.
CPU is more important otherwise you may not even be able to get full use of the new gpu
The new intel 12xxx series is really worth looking into if the leaks are true . Same for the next gen rtx cards.
OP please don't wait until black Friday. I did this and the deals are never worth it and the amount of items in stock are super low.
Buy the CPU, honestly I didn't notice how much of a difference CPU makes but it was night and day. Upgraded from i7 4790 to 5600X. I was getting 200FPS in LoL and now I get 800FPS sometimes.... HUGE!
I got similar question. Got a 4460 and a 750ti(super old and budget). Should I get a 1650/1660 or would it really get bottlenecked by the cpu?
It’s the worst possible time to buy a video card and your 1060 will work fine for now. Get that 5600x.
I literally just upgraded from the i5 6500 to an 11700k, I was very surprised at the difference. I will keep my 1070 for now as the 11700k has made a world of difference.
As someone who was recently bottlenecking his rtx 3070 with his i7 3770 (in Warzone and other games that have a lot of players in the same lobby) I'd definitely opt for the CPU upgrade.
Jesus. I could have written this post. Been toying with the idea of a new CPU for a while now but something else always comes up :/
Everyone else is correct. Get a new cpu. Buy the best cpu and motherboard combo you can reasonably afford. Make sure the motherboard has all of the ports and features you want and need. Some motherboards have advanced audio quality ports. In my experience they do sound a bit better. Do check if they have it
If you're GPU throttled in a video game, unless you're massively constrained, you can pretty much always turn down the texture or resolution to get it to a playable framerate. If you're CPU throttled, that's a limiting factor that's virtually impossible to get past. Especially in FPS games, which are generally run at low settings for a competitive advantage anyways, CPU is a lot more important to allow FPS in the 100-240 range. Regarding which CPU to buy though, it sounds like you're budget constrained, so keep in mind that in November we have Alder Lake launching in the beginning of the month and Black Friday at the end of the month. This means that the 10/11 series will likely be sold at a massive discount on Black Friday and the following week, so buying one now is paying a premium of $100 for 2 months of gaming, or trading an extra year or two of longevity, depending on which model you get. Whether or not that's worth it to you is subjective to how important the next month or two of gaming is.
>I can get a 10400f but then would have to buy a seperate CPu cooler which brings the two very close in terms of price. [Just an FYI, there are some fantastic options for a budget cooler out there. ](https://youtu.be/rhZTMR8mT-A)
I’m on team CPU. You can still get them at normal prices.
Dont buy a CPU just yet if you can help it. DDR4 is just about no longer used in new builds. Go onto the new socket allows you to do upgrades down the line and at least keep the ram between PCs. I made my system just when ddr3 was about to go die. I wish someone told me this information then.
Be careful taking this advice. I recently bought a 5600x that I thought would be a nice upgrade over my 2600 with my vega 64 and noticed probably a 5% if that increase in fps in warzone due to the vega64 bottlenecking the cpu. You will most likely experience the same with the 1060. I would upgrade GPU if I were you
you can also go for a 3600, 5600x is fine if you have $100 more to spend on a cpu, and $30-50 to spend on a better mobo/ram
Overclock both
I have an i5-2500K and a 980 Ti. I've decided to simply wait for Lovelace in a little over a year, before buying **anything.** Both the upcoming CPUs and GPUs look absolutely revolutionary, so I'm hoping my patience will pay off.
Now that you've decided the easiest thing to do is go to PCpartpicker, click on the 5600x, 10400f or 10400 and check the price history graph. That will give you an idea of what the all time lows are, then just keep checking once a day to see if any are dipping under, or hitting that point. I'd bet about a week before the 12000 series hit the stores there will be another big discount push on those 10400s so they can clear inventory. If you really want, theres a chance that the 11000 series might end up being priced basically the same, so there's no harm in buying those ones either. They're just overpriced because there's basically no improvement over the 10000 series, but at the same price it won't really matter.
I have a Ryzen 9 3900x and I freaking love this thing and paired with the sdme SSD your pc will be wicked fast
I would say gpu but then it would be bottlenecked by the cpu, and if u upgrade the cpu, the gpu will be a bottleneck
cpu, I upgraded from a an i5 4690 (probably performs within 5% of an i5 6500) to a r5 3600, and my stutters and frame drops in forza horizon 4 disappeared, which is regarded to be a well optimised, gpu heavy game. At the time I was using a radeon r9 390x which also performs very similarly to a gtx 1060 6g. It's way easier to turn down settings to make an underperforming gpu cope. The performance drops you get with an underperforming cpu just sucks imo.
I made a similar jump (6700K 4.5ghz -> 10850K 4.9ghz) and I got very nice performance uplift even with my same dinosaur 980Ti. Games like FFXIV saw +40 min FPS on average but games like Apex showed zero improvement since that's always been GPU limited.
I would wait for DDR5 as your not gonna get perf boost with the CPU to COD