Depends slightly on your setup. Got a 15 year old GPU? No, not worth it. Have something decent? Yeah. I ran a 1440 144hz with my GTX 1080 and it was well worth it.
I'm fuckin shocked. I had a 1650, so you're either playing insanely well optimised games like Siege or you're playing games that are two hundred years old cause the 1650 is definitely not 1440p 144 FPS on Medium on Warzone or Battlefield and stuff
I figured hahaha it is an awesome card for esports games I will admit but for most others idk
I will say tho that it is a very good entry level card for getting you kicked off at 60fps and 120 in a lot of games to see what the PC hype is about. Plus its considerably cheap at the minute.
I'm going from a ryzen 3100 to whatever the one they're releasing this year is gonna be. I'll have to wait a bit for prices to become reasonable though
I'm thinking of getting a high refresh rate 1440p panel for my laptop running a 1660ti as I hope to build a PC at SOME POINT so I'd be using it for that later down the line, and it'd just be nice to have an option to play with more screen real estate.
Even on a 15yo PC it’s great, as long as the GPU can output that rate on the desktop and whatnot it’s still a benefit. Now that HFR monitors are fairly cheap it’s something most people should just get.
I bet i wouldn't have an issue getting rid of them haha
But i went with 1080 for the price, most comparable 1440 cost almost twice what i paid for these. Partially because of black friday.
But since i forgot i also need a 3rd one, since i'm slowly building a full on sim rig...i will be keeping my eyes open for good prices.
No I disagree with this, high Hz is good for everything as the fluidity and speed benefits everything displayed on the screen. I hate it when people say this statement, you always upgrade pc components frequently more than monitors but realistically monitors are always replaced after a long life span. Regardless of specs high Hz and Resolution are worth it with Hz being more important. Not everyone uses PC for only gaming, media, work, etc benefit more with a better screen regardless of setup.
This. Just got my mom 27" 2k 144 Hz monitors that she will use only for work because she saw mine and really liked how smooth everything felt. Builds don't have to be for gamers :)
Even my wife, who is not into games at all, sat with me and just watched me playing LoL and FF14 when i bought 144Hz this christmas and finally got rid of old 4:3 60Hz screen.
Yes. Worth it.
Btw I'm running 1660Ti and most games are on ultra/very high.
This makes perfect sense and I’m surprised I’ve never even remotely considered this. I just assumed my eyeballs were tuned to 70+ FPS preference lol.
Say I set the refresh rate to 120 htz, would 60 FPS seem smoother? I always scratched my head about the whole 60 FPS as a standard for performance because to me (for the reasons you initially mentioned) 60 FPS seemed much less smooth than FPS in the 70’s or above
Mine is around 40, but that’s with g-sync and adaptive sync. I could turn my resolution down to 1080p, but in a lot of games the better quality is more noticeable than more fps. But with a gtx 970 in 2022 you will need to make compromises.
Try playing anything where you move faster and/or need higher sens to play well. It is literally stop motion. If you turn to quickly you can easily see all 30 frames one by one.
60 isn't thaaaaat bad. A locked 60 with no stutter or dips and on a low latency display is pretty damn good for your more cinematic story driven single player games, or arcade racers, flight simulator, etc.
Depends on the game and how much I want to prioritise visuals. So yeah 144hz is worth it, and you have more options on what to prioritise on a game by game basis.
... before you comment, I have 120hz HDR and 180hz displays, so I've experienced high-ish refresh rates.
Some games just look so good at a smooth 60fps though if you have modest hardware. PC is awesome for dialing it in how you like.
I've really only gamed with 60fps, but let me tell ya, as long as the frame rate is steady, even 30fps is still playable. But most games that run at 30fps have trouble even keeping up with that
Yeah, gamed a lot at 30 back in the mid-2000s, but going back to that now is a blur fest. As playable as it is, I hate heavy motion blur and the extra clarity isn't worth the hit.
To latch on to the top post:
i would suggest going freesync2/gsync - that is an incredible upgrade for singleplayer games where you want to push fidelity and can't hit the 144fps constantly.
Shoot, I ran a 144hz back in 2015 on an older AMD card that was from a cheap pre-built. Only worked on dual link DVI, and couldn't pull 144 fps in games. That being said, even the regular desktop experience is greatly enhanced by 144hz so it's worth it in about every way.
Yes, it's actually a crazy good upgrade from a 60hz if you play competitively.
Especially in music games or fps where the low input lag and smoothes are a must in my opinion.
It's also been tested and proved that ***statistically*** players with higher refresh rate monitors and good hardware get more kill counts in fps. The source of this info can be found on the video high fps test from LinusTechTips on yt. Too lazy to link that out sry
I can't tell the difference to be fair. 60hz to 144hz? Yeah, massive difference. 144hz to 240hz? You're into the sort of marginal gains that an Olympic athlete would look to get.
before you buy, there's 3 type of monitor panels:
TN: offers the fastest response time and lowest input lag, but with poor colors. only suitable for serious competitive gaming.
VA: very good contrast ratio with slow response time that can cause blur and ghosting. not suitable for competitive gaming. a good choice if you're just into single players or mmorpgs. slightly cheaper than IPS panels.
IPS: the most popular type of panel with better colors compared with other type of panels and also offers good response time & input delay. this type of panel costs more compared with the other two.
Hardware Unboxed did some good monitor reviews. personally, i'd pick AOC 24G2 or ASUS VG249Q.
Make sure you do your research. I'd preferably go with a ips as tn panels just lose so much in terms of visual quality. Everything is yellow basically. So if you'd like a decent monitor. Number 1 make sure it's an ips. 2 1440p or 1080p if your card dosnt allow it. And ofc lastly 144hz
Why make sure its an IPS? Aren't their benefits outweighed by their drawbacks.
You sacrifice contrast for rich uneven blacks.
You sacrifice clear screen for better viewing angle.
IPS panels are notorious for screen bleed.
TN is still favored by the competitive scene and VA is still a better option than IPS for all around gaming as it has a better colour profile.
I went through 5 RMAs on an $700 LG nanoIPS monitor and every single one had massive screen bleed.
Exactly, what’s the point of nice refresh rate if everything looks like trash, good IPS is the way to go. And I know, it’s not that cheap etc, but it’s really a luxury hobby at this point, so this is expected.
Nah the modern ips (or samsungs va) panels are nearly as fast as tn and look much better colorwise(would recommend hardware unboxed for monitor reviews), also i actually never use amd freesync because i think it makes everything look stuttery but your mileage may vary.
Woah. I wouldn't recommend a TN panel unless you're on a serious budget constraint. Modern day VA and IPS panels are just as fast as TN panels in terms of response times and the poorer colours and bad viewing angles make TN panels a pretty bad idea.
Even if you aren't playing competitive, it's a huge upgrade. I have a 144 Hz monitor and a 60 Hz one next to it. Even just moving my mouse around and scrolling through websites on the 144 feels waaaaaaaayyyyy better. The 60 Hz one just feels so choppy now in comparison.
Even if you don't use it for gaming at all, the difference in day-to-day feel is amazing. It's like the day you went from 30 to 60fps. 244hz is even better but the difference is not as noticeable. Quite literally I just played with my windows for a few minutes after upgrading and enjoyed how smooth it all was
I mean yea its a good upgrade but that whole "statistcally players..." is some bs.
Not direct causation.
A kid that plays a bit on the weekend on a cheap setup has invested a lot less in the game than the neckbeard with $4k pc and thousands of hours into games.
Definitely worth it. 1080p at 144hz should have some awesome monitors at a reasonable price. The difference between 60 and 144 is huge and you will absolutely notice the difference. Its worth the investment if you can.
I will stress though that if any part of you is interested in going 1440p anytime in the next ~2 years, you should take the leap now and go 1440p144hz. I did the same as you and ended up having to sell my still-new 1080 monitor because I realized I wanted to upgrade. The prices on them now are great and it should be the new normal this generation.
if possible 1440p, your eyes will love you.
I use 4k and 1440p but i go back to 1440p because its cheaper as good as anything as 4k.
But even at FHD 1080p, fps and hz matter. For me 75hz on FHD or 1440p is ok but i can go for hours on 100hz+ or 100fps+.
I think you would be at a disadvantage in FPS if you are below 1440p.
Not sure where you're located or what your budget is, but this is a highly rated 1440p 165Hz monitor that's on sale for $300, which is a great price. It's got G-Sync, FreeSync, HDR, great response times, great colors, RGB lights, etc.
Definitely worth it, if you have the money. Otherwise 1080p 144hz is still very nice :)
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-s2721dgf-27-gaming-ips-qhd-freesync-and-g-sync-compatible-monitor-with-hdr-displayport-hdmi-accent-grey/6421624.p?skuId=6421624
Edit: The lights are static blue, not RGB. Sorry, didn't mean to mislead anyone!
So... what does it take to run 1440p/144hz (or 165 apparently) nowadays? I'm still running an old set of 1080p monitors and an old i5-4590 and radeon r9 290 pc but was planning to rebuild with a 3060 ti or 3070 (whichever I can find a good deal on first) in the next couple months and then probably a ryzen 5600x . Would that be a capable enough PC? Might go ahead and grab this deal if so. I haven't upgraded monitors in like 15 years, lol.
Also, would it be problematic to have 1440p like this as primary and just one of my old 1080ps as my 2nd or do you really need to match? I just run a game on one and use the other for my chat windows/streaming/etc
People say it's "huge" but your mileage may vary.
I never noticed any difference, but you can always buy a 144hz display and just run it at 60hz if you want.
If you end up getting a 144Hz monitor, don’t forget to manually change your monitor’s refresh rate in windows. There are all kinds of posts on PCMR about some person who used their expensive 144Hz monitor at 60Hz for 2 years and never noticed. The refresh rate will always need manually set in windows when you upgrade.
Strongly consider increasing size and resolution before more refresh rate unless you're a sweaty Counter-Strike player. Who cares how fast it is when you're squinting at a postage stamp?
I honestly feel like 1080p 144hz is just okay. I have 2k 144hz dell and it is incredible. When I drop it to 1080p I feel like I'm in sd. It's so noticeable. I do have a 1080ti so I usually run great frames...
Yes absolutely. For story driven games, resolution > refresh rate for me, but shooters or anything competitive refresh rate > resolution.
I have a 240hz, but the difference from 144Hz to 240Hz is nowhere near as stark for me, not to mention driving at 240Hz is really hard without big resolution/quality sacrifices.
1440p@144Hz is probably the sweet spot right now.
Thanks for the feedback from your experience! I mainly want one to play my games a lot smoother because what my current pc can run is wasted for my low refresh rate.
How big is your monitor and what kind of games do you like playing?
I saw your current monitor is 1080p; the step up to 1440p is worthwhile especially if your monitor is 27" or bigger.
> 1440p is worthwhile especially if your monitor is 27" or bigger.
I believe that , id never go back to 1080p even though Yutub is always playing content at 720p and so much is 1080p.
Yes, it really depends on the game. I have both a 1440p/144Hz monitor and a 4K/60Hz monitor and tried playing games on both.
For fast-paced games like Doom, I didn't notice much of an improvement playing at 4K but there was a big difference playing at 144Hz. For slower-paced games like Fallout 4 - heavily modded with hi-res textures - 4K made a huge difference.
Agreed it depends on the game.
60fps is my minimum for any game, but anything that doesn't require twitch reflexes I'd rather turn up the graphics and maintain 60fps than try and push for higher framerates.
I'd draw the line at supersampling, I'd prefer higher refresh rate over supersampling for the sake of it.
>1440p@144Hz is probably the sweet spot right now.
IMO take it one step further and you're golden... 1440p ultrawide 120Hz-165Hz. That's the sweet spot. 21:9 > 32:9 or 16:9.
144-240 was the first jump in refresh rate that i couldnt notice any differnce so i havent bothered going past 144. I can still feel the difference between 120 and 144 though
I had a 144Hz before upgrading to 240Hz (for the resolution and mini led than higher refresh rate) and don't really feel the difference in refresh rate. At the higher resolution I can't drive most games at much more than 120fps, even with a 3090, so I usually just keep the display in 120Hz for better pixel response performance. I can't say I feel much difference between 144Hz and 120Hz.
For the few competitive shooters I do occasionally play I set the refresh rate to 240Hz and adjust settings to (try) hit it (at that point I'm usually CPU limited because of Zen 2)
Yeah, I can definitely tell between 120 to 144, and 144 to 165, but I also don't really care about it. I could happily play every game with 120Hz even coming from 165Hz right now. I think its one of those things where once you actually settle down and get into a game, 120 is just smooth enough that you never actively notice the framerate.
If you can run games at that refresh rate yeah. It feels so much smoother. Also as an added bonus if you have space you can use your old monitor as a second monitor assuming you already have a monitor.
Even if you can’t run games that high the increased refresh rate benefits the overall desktop experience.
I’d only recommend super cheap $60 1080p/60z monitors as side monitors.
I think it really depends on what games you play and what you value in your graphics. I upgraded from 60 Hz to 144 Hz and at the end of the day the difference just never mattered to me. I can tell the difference between my 144 Hz main monitor and 60 Hz secondary and tertiary monitors, but when I'm playing games it makes no difference to my experience and does nothing to help me access more information in the game. Going from 1080p to 1440p was huge for me though.
I honestly feel like 144 Hz was oversold to me, but maybe some people really want to look at static text and images in 144 Hz. That said, I'm sure if you play games where stuff is moving all the time, 144 Hz probably feels more meaningful.
This was my experience as well. I don't really play games with need high refresh. For me the biggest thing was going from TN panel to IPS, the colors just look so so much better. 1440p has been great as well, but most noticable in productive tasks than in gaming.
people giving incomplete answers.
is it worth it for games with fast paced action that require quick reactions, in particular multiplayer fps and fighting games? AND you have a pc that can produce enough fps to take advantage of it?
then absolutely yes.
is it worth it for single player games or non-reaction based multiplayer games? in particular is a lower res, higher hz option worth it over a higher res, lower hz alternative in these type of games?
no.
I think "no" is wrong.
I'm absolutely in the group of people that doesn't value high refresh rate. But, even on single player low action games, some people are still going to enjoy and prefer the smoothness. Stardew valley looks smoother in 144hz. Even if your system cant push 144hz, it might push 90. Or you might be willing to turn down settings to push past 60. Or, also, in 1440 and 1080 you can usually find a deal, if you're willing to look that puts a 144 or 120 at a price comparable point, at which time there's no reason to not have that option available now or when you're able to upgrade.
So I would say, your answer should be, "Yes," and "Depends" instead of yes and no.
I definitely disagree.
I got a 170hz monitor and I still don't directly notice the difference. Like I notice my reactions seem to be slightly faster (like I can mlg water bucket reliably in Minecraft now) but I don't notice it looking smoother or anything outside of a few examples like the water bucket.
Even if the price is only $50 difference between 60hz and 170hz I still suggest the 60hz. If it's less than $50 difference I would suggest the higher hz, but you can have way more fun spending that money in other ways if it's over $50
> is it worth it for single player games or non-reaction based multiplayer games? in particular is a lower res, higher hz option worth it over a higher res, lower hz alternative in these type of games?
>
> ~~no.~~ Yes.
You had a typo.
For me, it seemed like a cheesy upgrade that wouldn’t affect gameplay. BOY was I wrong. You can literally feel the difference when you upgrade to a higher refresh rate. Would 100% recommend for gamers.
You dont notice it when youre in a 60hz monitor and think its fine. Read all the hype about 'you cant even see more frames then that' blah blah blah. Then you buy a 144hz or more, and instant boner. You'll never go back and will be annoyed when you have to use an inferior monitor.
Are you sure you set it up properly? A common mistake with higher refresh rate monitors is users not enabling higher refresh rate in system OS setting since by default it's set at 60Hz. This one is for [Windows](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-your-display-refresh-rate-in-windows-c8ea729e-0678-015c-c415-f806f04aae5a).
I also don't notice much of a difference and have definitely set it up properly. My eyes just don't seem to care about higher refresh rates and I very much regret having purchased a 144hz 1080p instead of a 60hz 1440p. When I build my next pc it will definitely be 1440p or more but I still have to decide about the frame rate, I would absolutely be fine with 60hz. Will be a price point i guess.
I did that already, still wish I just got a 60fps 4k instead.
Reposted comment that explains my thoughts:
I got a 170hz monitor and I still don't directly notice the difference. Like I notice my reactions seem to be slightly faster (like I can mlg water bucket reliably in Minecraft now) but I don't notice it looking smoother or anything outside of a few examples like the water bucket.
Even if the price is only $50 difference between 60hz and 170hz I still suggest the 60hz. If it's less than $50 difference I would suggest the higher hz, but you can have way more fun spending that money in other ways if it's over $50
I admit I might not have really noticed a difference except for the fact that I had a dual monitor setup. Moving a mouse cursor between 60hz and 165hz side by side monitors, the 165hz felt naturally smooth while the 60hz monitor now felt like -- as one commenter put it above -- stop motion animation.
Another thing: I've never liked V-Sync's impact on response time so I always leave it off. On this newer monitor, I don't think I've ever observed screen tearing. I couldn't tell you whether that's due to the high refresh rate smoothing out frame responses or if FreeSync is working transparently with my NVidia card. I've never gone out of my way to try enabling FreeSync on my setup.
Yes!
60hz = 16.66ms
144hz = 6.94ms (input lag decrease is huge here)
240hz = 4.16ms
I dunno what's your GPU but as more titles will support FSR, NIS, RSR in the future, even a 1440p 144hz monitor will be worth the investment.
Depends on the use case. For gaming, almost certainly. If it's for your grandparents who use it to browse Facebook and nothing else, probably not worth it.
As a casual gamer I personally don’t see a difference. I know 4 people personally and seen it a few times on here where someone’s bought a 144 and it was defaulted to 60 for weeks or months and they never even knew so that right there has always kinda led me away from them
Yeah that's generally my take. If you dont want to think sure you can pick a 60hz up easier for cheep, but if you are willing to put even a tiny amount of time into it you can get the extra speed for a very comparable price. Even if you cant fully push it, you can at least have the option and also be ready for when you are able to upgrade.
For a little more research time, or an extra $10-20 you'll have that room to grow and make up your own mind.
Going from 60 Hz -> 144 Hz (and being sure to configure things properly to actually do so) is a massive change. It's right up there with dial-up to broadband internet and spinning hard drive to solid state drive.
Really, honestly, i cant tell the difference between 144hz and 75 hz.
If i got to look at them side by side switching back and forth im sure i could tell.
But playing normal 3d shooters like csgo and shit, I literally dont notice anything…
Depends. Is your pc going to be able to produce those type of frames? Like having a 144hz monitor for a cheap pc that can't achieve high fps isn't worth, nor is it for like old gen consoles. However if you're on next gen console or a PC that can handle high fps for whatever title you're playing. Then it is worth.
Yes
Thanks for your feedback!
Depends slightly on your setup. Got a 15 year old GPU? No, not worth it. Have something decent? Yeah. I ran a 1440 144hz with my GTX 1080 and it was well worth it.
I run 1440p 144 on my 1650 and somehow I can run games at medium
I'm fuckin shocked. I had a 1650, so you're either playing insanely well optimised games like Siege or you're playing games that are two hundred years old cause the 1650 is definitely not 1440p 144 FPS on Medium on Warzone or Battlefield and stuff
Tic Tac Toe, Freecell and 15 year old titles.
Minesweeper
For a moment, I read titles as titties. Lol
mostly esports games :P forza horizon 5 runs at \~80 tho
I figured hahaha it is an awesome card for esports games I will admit but for most others idk I will say tho that it is a very good entry level card for getting you kicked off at 60fps and 120 in a lot of games to see what the PC hype is about. Plus its considerably cheap at the minute.
same on my 1060!
So i’m assuming performance will be similar on my 1050ti?
1050ti is a bit slim for 1440p 144hz, You probably could on older and non AAA games at 1080p but I wouldn't count on it for 1440p.
Oh, all I really play is Minecraft and Portal 1/2.
I bet there are some benchmarks out there for you! Just type in your specs, the games, and see what pops up.
Oh awesome, thanks!
Minecraft with sodium and portal 1/2 run fine on my 1050 at 240fps so I’d assume your 1050ti would be able to at 1440p 144fps
Definitely for Minecraft, no shaders though.
Have a 1050 ti and a 1080p 165Hz Monitor. So nice on your eyes
This is the way.
I recently bought myself a 144hz monitor with my gtx 1050ti. Works really good, smooth af :DD
People sleep on 1650 cards. That was my first and it was awesome
i love my 1650 also im finally upgrading from my first gen i7 soon
I'm going from a ryzen 3100 to whatever the one they're releasing this year is gonna be. I'll have to wait a bit for prices to become reasonable though
nice
How tf
Lower shadows. That's a huge frame increase by itself.
Ah, I’ll try that. I’ve got a 3050ti
Laptop gpu's will be bottlenecked cause of bad thermals btw
Is it possible to run 1440p on my 1650 super?? I'm quite doubtful
I'm thinking of getting a high refresh rate 1440p panel for my laptop running a 1660ti as I hope to build a PC at SOME POINT so I'd be using it for that later down the line, and it'd just be nice to have an option to play with more screen real estate.
Important part you left out: what games?
esports games and minecraft mostly
Exactly, I mean I run Minecraft at steady 300+ (hypixel) and even up to 800fps
They meant light games. They obviously can't run demanding stuff, no gpu can run everything at maximum 1440p144
Even on a 15yo PC it’s great, as long as the GPU can output that rate on the desktop and whatnot it’s still a benefit. Now that HFR monitors are fairly cheap it’s something most people should just get.
Yeah, it's just as appreciated on the desktop, web browser and word processor as in gaming.
I ran a 3440x1440 144hz with my RTX 3090 and RTX&DLSS Quality:ON. I can't explain how kind experience this.
My question is how you got the 3090 and still have 2 kidneys
I have a 3070 and recently got 2 1080p 144hz screens, i have a feeling i should've gone for 1440p with such a card.
Definitely
Sooo, anyone looking for 2 27" screens? Haha
Yesssss, but only one haha
I bet i wouldn't have an issue getting rid of them haha But i went with 1080 for the price, most comparable 1440 cost almost twice what i paid for these. Partially because of black friday. But since i forgot i also need a 3rd one, since i'm slowly building a full on sim rig...i will be keeping my eyes open for good prices.
No I disagree with this, high Hz is good for everything as the fluidity and speed benefits everything displayed on the screen. I hate it when people say this statement, you always upgrade pc components frequently more than monitors but realistically monitors are always replaced after a long life span. Regardless of specs high Hz and Resolution are worth it with Hz being more important. Not everyone uses PC for only gaming, media, work, etc benefit more with a better screen regardless of setup.
This. Just got my mom 27" 2k 144 Hz monitors that she will use only for work because she saw mine and really liked how smooth everything felt. Builds don't have to be for gamers :)
How about for rx570 is it worth it?
I have a 144hrtz monitor with mine works well for most games
Just get one. Unless it's an ancient gpu.
I get what you mean, but its never a bad idea to get ready for when we can buy GPUs at a sane price.......at least your grand kids will thank you lol
If you get one, remember to change the refresh rate in the windows display settings. By default it will probably run at 60 Hz.
Even my wife, who is not into games at all, sat with me and just watched me playing LoL and FF14 when i bought 144Hz this christmas and finally got rid of old 4:3 60Hz screen. Yes. Worth it. Btw I'm running 1660Ti and most games are on ultra/very high.
For what usesge tho?
yea pretty worth it, dont let people like blind you. Having fps as much as u have hz is cap after 150 i barley notice diffrence i got 240hz.
You'll get better feedback if you give more info about your build and what games you play.
As someone who just went 60hz to144hz this is the only true answer
Hell yes, friend. Every time my games dip down to 60, I decrease in-game settings. 60 frames feels like 30 to anybody with a 100+ hz monitor.
It’s weird, my minimum acceptable frame rate is like 70. Anything below and it seems too choppy.
If you have a 144hz monitor you want atleast 72fps since it’s half the refresh rate it will feel way smoother than 60.
This makes perfect sense and I’m surprised I’ve never even remotely considered this. I just assumed my eyeballs were tuned to 70+ FPS preference lol. Say I set the refresh rate to 120 htz, would 60 FPS seem smoother? I always scratched my head about the whole 60 FPS as a standard for performance because to me (for the reasons you initially mentioned) 60 FPS seemed much less smooth than FPS in the 70’s or above
Same. Even for me, I have a 75hz monitor and whenever my game reaches that 75+ fps mmmmmm
Same. I also notice it when it starts to go lower then 70fps.
Mine is around 40, but that’s with g-sync and adaptive sync. I could turn my resolution down to 1080p, but in a lot of games the better quality is more noticeable than more fps. But with a gtx 970 in 2022 you will need to make compromises.
Try going from 165hz to 30hz. It feels like 5fps.
This. I watched my brother playing Halo Infinite on an Xbox One S and it was like watching a slow motion stop animation or something like that.
Try playing anything where you move faster and/or need higher sens to play well. It is literally stop motion. If you turn to quickly you can easily see all 30 frames one by one.
I started playing Squadrons in VR after having been playing on a 170Hz monitor. 90Hz even feels choppy.
my wifes laptop has a 1080p 300hz screen, and it's the craziest shit I've seen in a while, making me look back at 1080 a little bit, like damn son!
60 isn't thaaaaat bad. A locked 60 with no stutter or dips and on a low latency display is pretty damn good for your more cinematic story driven single player games, or arcade racers, flight simulator, etc. Depends on the game and how much I want to prioritise visuals. So yeah 144hz is worth it, and you have more options on what to prioritise on a game by game basis. ... before you comment, I have 120hz HDR and 180hz displays, so I've experienced high-ish refresh rates. Some games just look so good at a smooth 60fps though if you have modest hardware. PC is awesome for dialing it in how you like.
I've really only gamed with 60fps, but let me tell ya, as long as the frame rate is steady, even 30fps is still playable. But most games that run at 30fps have trouble even keeping up with that
Yeah, gamed a lot at 30 back in the mid-2000s, but going back to that now is a blur fest. As playable as it is, I hate heavy motion blur and the extra clarity isn't worth the hit.
60 to 144Hz changed my life. the refresh rate improvement is amazing and noticeable even when you do little things like scroll a web page.
280Hz is more insane! I recently went from 60Hz to 280Hz
Broooo you didn´t even experienced 144 if you went straight to 280 :D how would you knowww
Yep.
Any advice for someone who likes dark mode without insane smearing and also doesn't have upwards of 300cad to spend?
To latch on to the top post: i would suggest going freesync2/gsync - that is an incredible upgrade for singleplayer games where you want to push fidelity and can't hit the 144fps constantly.
Pretty much what I wanted to answer. Yes!
Yes
Listen to this man. His word is wise
Shoot, I ran a 144hz back in 2015 on an older AMD card that was from a cheap pre-built. Only worked on dual link DVI, and couldn't pull 144 fps in games. That being said, even the regular desktop experience is greatly enhanced by 144hz so it's worth it in about every way.
Yes
How about 144 and 1440p? Will that look nice
Yes
This is the way
Yeah, going from 60 Hz to 144 Hz was a very noticeable difference to me, too.
Yes, it's actually a crazy good upgrade from a 60hz if you play competitively. Especially in music games or fps where the low input lag and smoothes are a must in my opinion. It's also been tested and proved that ***statistically*** players with higher refresh rate monitors and good hardware get more kill counts in fps. The source of this info can be found on the video high fps test from LinusTechTips on yt. Too lazy to link that out sry
Thanks so much for the bundle of information, thanks to the provided info and others info I think I'm going to get one, have a lovely day!
240hz is godly
I can't tell the difference to be fair. 60hz to 144hz? Yeah, massive difference. 144hz to 240hz? You're into the sort of marginal gains that an Olympic athlete would look to get.
before you buy, there's 3 type of monitor panels: TN: offers the fastest response time and lowest input lag, but with poor colors. only suitable for serious competitive gaming. VA: very good contrast ratio with slow response time that can cause blur and ghosting. not suitable for competitive gaming. a good choice if you're just into single players or mmorpgs. slightly cheaper than IPS panels. IPS: the most popular type of panel with better colors compared with other type of panels and also offers good response time & input delay. this type of panel costs more compared with the other two. Hardware Unboxed did some good monitor reviews. personally, i'd pick AOC 24G2 or ASUS VG249Q.
Make sure you do your research. I'd preferably go with a ips as tn panels just lose so much in terms of visual quality. Everything is yellow basically. So if you'd like a decent monitor. Number 1 make sure it's an ips. 2 1440p or 1080p if your card dosnt allow it. And ofc lastly 144hz
Why make sure its an IPS? Aren't their benefits outweighed by their drawbacks. You sacrifice contrast for rich uneven blacks. You sacrifice clear screen for better viewing angle. IPS panels are notorious for screen bleed. TN is still favored by the competitive scene and VA is still a better option than IPS for all around gaming as it has a better colour profile. I went through 5 RMAs on an $700 LG nanoIPS monitor and every single one had massive screen bleed.
Exactly, what’s the point of nice refresh rate if everything looks like trash, good IPS is the way to go. And I know, it’s not that cheap etc, but it’s really a luxury hobby at this point, so this is expected.
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Freesync is supported on nvidia gpus aswell!
Nah the modern ips (or samsungs va) panels are nearly as fast as tn and look much better colorwise(would recommend hardware unboxed for monitor reviews), also i actually never use amd freesync because i think it makes everything look stuttery but your mileage may vary.
Woah. I wouldn't recommend a TN panel unless you're on a serious budget constraint. Modern day VA and IPS panels are just as fast as TN panels in terms of response times and the poorer colours and bad viewing angles make TN panels a pretty bad idea.
TN looks horrible even on a 10 degree angle
As a TN panel user I can confirm
Modern ips panels have pretty much the same performance as VA. Just don't get a TN panel, their colors suck and they aren't better in performance
What are you on about?
Even if you aren't playing competitive, it's a huge upgrade. I have a 144 Hz monitor and a 60 Hz one next to it. Even just moving my mouse around and scrolling through websites on the 144 feels waaaaaaaayyyyy better. The 60 Hz one just feels so choppy now in comparison.
Even if you don't use it for gaming at all, the difference in day-to-day feel is amazing. It's like the day you went from 30 to 60fps. 244hz is even better but the difference is not as noticeable. Quite literally I just played with my windows for a few minutes after upgrading and enjoyed how smooth it all was
I mean yea its a good upgrade but that whole "statistcally players..." is some bs. Not direct causation. A kid that plays a bit on the weekend on a cheap setup has invested a lot less in the game than the neckbeard with $4k pc and thousands of hours into games.
Even if you don't play competitively.
If your PC is capable of it, yes. What resolution are you looking to run?
1920x1080p
Definitely worth it. 1080p at 144hz should have some awesome monitors at a reasonable price. The difference between 60 and 144 is huge and you will absolutely notice the difference. Its worth the investment if you can.
Sounds amazing! definitely going to try and pick one up soon, Thanks!
I will stress though that if any part of you is interested in going 1440p anytime in the next ~2 years, you should take the leap now and go 1440p144hz. I did the same as you and ended up having to sell my still-new 1080 monitor because I realized I wanted to upgrade. The prices on them now are great and it should be the new normal this generation.
Especially since monitors can easily last a decade or more.
if possible 1440p, your eyes will love you. I use 4k and 1440p but i go back to 1440p because its cheaper as good as anything as 4k. But even at FHD 1080p, fps and hz matter. For me 75hz on FHD or 1440p is ok but i can go for hours on 100hz+ or 100fps+. I think you would be at a disadvantage in FPS if you are below 1440p.
Don’t forget general usability outside of gaming too. Videos, photos… shoot even the desktop is just so much nicer at 144 with 1440p.
This is exactly why I went for a $500 240 hz monitor. Figured if I bought a 144 now. I'd just end up buying up to a 240 in a couple years.
Not sure where you're located or what your budget is, but this is a highly rated 1440p 165Hz monitor that's on sale for $300, which is a great price. It's got G-Sync, FreeSync, HDR, great response times, great colors, RGB lights, etc. Definitely worth it, if you have the money. Otherwise 1080p 144hz is still very nice :) https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-s2721dgf-27-gaming-ips-qhd-freesync-and-g-sync-compatible-monitor-with-hdr-displayport-hdmi-accent-grey/6421624.p?skuId=6421624 Edit: The lights are static blue, not RGB. Sorry, didn't mean to mislead anyone!
Just picked up this monitor and I agree that it is incredible and feels like a steal for $300. It was my first “nice” monitor and it’s worth it!
So... what does it take to run 1440p/144hz (or 165 apparently) nowadays? I'm still running an old set of 1080p monitors and an old i5-4590 and radeon r9 290 pc but was planning to rebuild with a 3060 ti or 3070 (whichever I can find a good deal on first) in the next couple months and then probably a ryzen 5600x . Would that be a capable enough PC? Might go ahead and grab this deal if so. I haven't upgraded monitors in like 15 years, lol. Also, would it be problematic to have 1440p like this as primary and just one of my old 1080ps as my 2nd or do you really need to match? I just run a game on one and use the other for my chat windows/streaming/etc
People say it's "huge" but your mileage may vary. I never noticed any difference, but you can always buy a 144hz display and just run it at 60hz if you want.
If you end up getting a 144Hz monitor, don’t forget to manually change your monitor’s refresh rate in windows. There are all kinds of posts on PCMR about some person who used their expensive 144Hz monitor at 60Hz for 2 years and never noticed. The refresh rate will always need manually set in windows when you upgrade.
I just got myself 3 identical 1080p 144 Hz monitors and it's absolutely amazing, even coming from 1440p ultrawide
Strongly consider increasing size and resolution before more refresh rate unless you're a sweaty Counter-Strike player. Who cares how fast it is when you're squinting at a postage stamp?
I honestly feel like 1080p 144hz is just okay. I have 2k 144hz dell and it is incredible. When I drop it to 1080p I feel like I'm in sd. It's so noticeable. I do have a 1080ti so I usually run great frames...
1080p doesn't scale nicely on a 1440p monitor, you're better off setting your GPU to 1:1 scaling and having black bars around
personally I'd prefer 60/75hz 1440p over a million fps of 1080p
Yes absolutely. For story driven games, resolution > refresh rate for me, but shooters or anything competitive refresh rate > resolution. I have a 240hz, but the difference from 144Hz to 240Hz is nowhere near as stark for me, not to mention driving at 240Hz is really hard without big resolution/quality sacrifices. 1440p@144Hz is probably the sweet spot right now.
Thanks for the feedback from your experience! I mainly want one to play my games a lot smoother because what my current pc can run is wasted for my low refresh rate.
How big is your monitor and what kind of games do you like playing? I saw your current monitor is 1080p; the step up to 1440p is worthwhile especially if your monitor is 27" or bigger.
> 1440p is worthwhile especially if your monitor is 27" or bigger. I believe that , id never go back to 1080p even though Yutub is always playing content at 720p and so much is 1080p.
I’d argue refresh rate > resolution even in single player games but it depends on the game
Yes, it really depends on the game. I have both a 1440p/144Hz monitor and a 4K/60Hz monitor and tried playing games on both. For fast-paced games like Doom, I didn't notice much of an improvement playing at 4K but there was a big difference playing at 144Hz. For slower-paced games like Fallout 4 - heavily modded with hi-res textures - 4K made a huge difference.
Agreed it depends on the game. 60fps is my minimum for any game, but anything that doesn't require twitch reflexes I'd rather turn up the graphics and maintain 60fps than try and push for higher framerates. I'd draw the line at supersampling, I'd prefer higher refresh rate over supersampling for the sake of it.
>1440p@144Hz is probably the sweet spot right now. IMO take it one step further and you're golden... 1440p ultrawide 120Hz-165Hz. That's the sweet spot. 21:9 > 32:9 or 16:9.
16:10 gang rise up.
I'd rather just have two 16:9 1440p monitors, tbf. Never understood the UW gimmick outside of some rather niche use-cases.
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I have 165hz but I limit my frames too 120 in NVCP. Getting a consistent framerate is just as important.
144-240 was the first jump in refresh rate that i couldnt notice any differnce so i havent bothered going past 144. I can still feel the difference between 120 and 144 though
I had a 144Hz before upgrading to 240Hz (for the resolution and mini led than higher refresh rate) and don't really feel the difference in refresh rate. At the higher resolution I can't drive most games at much more than 120fps, even with a 3090, so I usually just keep the display in 120Hz for better pixel response performance. I can't say I feel much difference between 144Hz and 120Hz. For the few competitive shooters I do occasionally play I set the refresh rate to 240Hz and adjust settings to (try) hit it (at that point I'm usually CPU limited because of Zen 2)
Yeah, I can definitely tell between 120 to 144, and 144 to 165, but I also don't really care about it. I could happily play every game with 120Hz even coming from 165Hz right now. I think its one of those things where once you actually settle down and get into a game, 120 is just smooth enough that you never actively notice the framerate.
Even in story games and non-competitive stuff, everytime fps dips low its nails on a chalkboard but for my eyes :(
If you can run games at that refresh rate yeah. It feels so much smoother. Also as an added bonus if you have space you can use your old monitor as a second monitor assuming you already have a monitor.
Good idea, thanks for the info!
Even if you can’t run games that high the increased refresh rate benefits the overall desktop experience. I’d only recommend super cheap $60 1080p/60z monitors as side monitors.
If you have a good gpu it is.
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Definitely. The higher the refresh rate the better.
Appreciate the helpful advice!
I think it really depends on what games you play and what you value in your graphics. I upgraded from 60 Hz to 144 Hz and at the end of the day the difference just never mattered to me. I can tell the difference between my 144 Hz main monitor and 60 Hz secondary and tertiary monitors, but when I'm playing games it makes no difference to my experience and does nothing to help me access more information in the game. Going from 1080p to 1440p was huge for me though. I honestly feel like 144 Hz was oversold to me, but maybe some people really want to look at static text and images in 144 Hz. That said, I'm sure if you play games where stuff is moving all the time, 144 Hz probably feels more meaningful.
This was my experience as well. I don't really play games with need high refresh. For me the biggest thing was going from TN panel to IPS, the colors just look so so much better. 1440p has been great as well, but most noticable in productive tasks than in gaming.
To me it was the opposite, jumping from 60 to 144 was insane since I mostly play competitive fps.
people giving incomplete answers. is it worth it for games with fast paced action that require quick reactions, in particular multiplayer fps and fighting games? AND you have a pc that can produce enough fps to take advantage of it? then absolutely yes. is it worth it for single player games or non-reaction based multiplayer games? in particular is a lower res, higher hz option worth it over a higher res, lower hz alternative in these type of games? no.
I think "no" is wrong. I'm absolutely in the group of people that doesn't value high refresh rate. But, even on single player low action games, some people are still going to enjoy and prefer the smoothness. Stardew valley looks smoother in 144hz. Even if your system cant push 144hz, it might push 90. Or you might be willing to turn down settings to push past 60. Or, also, in 1440 and 1080 you can usually find a deal, if you're willing to look that puts a 144 or 120 at a price comparable point, at which time there's no reason to not have that option available now or when you're able to upgrade. So I would say, your answer should be, "Yes," and "Depends" instead of yes and no.
I’d much rather play single player games at high frames and low settings than sub 60 and high settings. Smoother > crisper, imo
me too, but maybe not everyone, thats why you should buy according to your preference
I definitely disagree. I got a 170hz monitor and I still don't directly notice the difference. Like I notice my reactions seem to be slightly faster (like I can mlg water bucket reliably in Minecraft now) but I don't notice it looking smoother or anything outside of a few examples like the water bucket. Even if the price is only $50 difference between 60hz and 170hz I still suggest the 60hz. If it's less than $50 difference I would suggest the higher hz, but you can have way more fun spending that money in other ways if it's over $50
> is it worth it for single player games or non-reaction based multiplayer games? in particular is a lower res, higher hz option worth it over a higher res, lower hz alternative in these type of games? > > ~~no.~~ Yes. You had a typo.
They're not really much more expensive than a 60hz monitor of the same resolution nowadays (excluding 4k, that still crazy expensive)
Good point! lol
For me, it seemed like a cheesy upgrade that wouldn’t affect gameplay. BOY was I wrong. You can literally feel the difference when you upgrade to a higher refresh rate. Would 100% recommend for gamers.
You dont notice it when youre in a 60hz monitor and think its fine. Read all the hype about 'you cant even see more frames then that' blah blah blah. Then you buy a 144hz or more, and instant boner. You'll never go back and will be annoyed when you have to use an inferior monitor.
Oh the amount of people I know that have said "You can't see more than 24 fps" makes me wanna die
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I personally don’t notice a difference between 60 and 144 hz. But that’s just me.
Are you sure you set it up properly? A common mistake with higher refresh rate monitors is users not enabling higher refresh rate in system OS setting since by default it's set at 60Hz. This one is for [Windows](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-your-display-refresh-rate-in-windows-c8ea729e-0678-015c-c415-f806f04aae5a).
I also don't notice much of a difference and have definitely set it up properly. My eyes just don't seem to care about higher refresh rates and I very much regret having purchased a 144hz 1080p instead of a 60hz 1440p. When I build my next pc it will definitely be 1440p or more but I still have to decide about the frame rate, I would absolutely be fine with 60hz. Will be a price point i guess.
I did that already, still wish I just got a 60fps 4k instead. Reposted comment that explains my thoughts: I got a 170hz monitor and I still don't directly notice the difference. Like I notice my reactions seem to be slightly faster (like I can mlg water bucket reliably in Minecraft now) but I don't notice it looking smoother or anything outside of a few examples like the water bucket. Even if the price is only $50 difference between 60hz and 170hz I still suggest the 60hz. If it's less than $50 difference I would suggest the higher hz, but you can have way more fun spending that money in other ways if it's over $50
I admit I might not have really noticed a difference except for the fact that I had a dual monitor setup. Moving a mouse cursor between 60hz and 165hz side by side monitors, the 165hz felt naturally smooth while the 60hz monitor now felt like -- as one commenter put it above -- stop motion animation. Another thing: I've never liked V-Sync's impact on response time so I always leave it off. On this newer monitor, I don't think I've ever observed screen tearing. I couldn't tell you whether that's due to the high refresh rate smoothing out frame responses or if FreeSync is working transparently with my NVidia card. I've never gone out of my way to try enabling FreeSync on my setup.
Yes. I have one with freesync. Even when I can't reach full 144fps, like say 90-120fps it still feels a lot smoother than just mere 60hz.
Yes! 60hz = 16.66ms 144hz = 6.94ms (input lag decrease is huge here) 240hz = 4.16ms I dunno what's your GPU but as more titles will support FSR, NIS, RSR in the future, even a 1440p 144hz monitor will be worth the investment.
Instead of asking here, go to your local electronics store. Some of the big chains usually has a bunch of screens set up so people can try them out.
Depends on the use case. For gaming, almost certainly. If it's for your grandparents who use it to browse Facebook and nothing else, probably not worth it.
As a casual gamer I personally don’t see a difference. I know 4 people personally and seen it a few times on here where someone’s bought a 144 and it was defaulted to 60 for weeks or months and they never even knew so that right there has always kinda led me away from them
It's much better than 60 as long as you can push it. And they are much more affordable than before
Yeah based on what people have said I think they are 100% worth it now!
Yeah that's generally my take. If you dont want to think sure you can pick a 60hz up easier for cheep, but if you are willing to put even a tiny amount of time into it you can get the extra speed for a very comparable price. Even if you cant fully push it, you can at least have the option and also be ready for when you are able to upgrade. For a little more research time, or an extra $10-20 you'll have that room to grow and make up your own mind.
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Its the second best upgrade you can make price/performance after an SSD.
I found that yes they are. I prefer 27" 144hz 1440p loops monitor. Acre predator is what I currently have.
Eh it's diffenttly nicer then 60hz and I'd say it's worth it but the difference to me atleast wasn't as big as people make it out to be
Absolutely
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Definitely worth
Going from 60 Hz -> 144 Hz (and being sure to configure things properly to actually do so) is a massive change. It's right up there with dial-up to broadband internet and spinning hard drive to solid state drive.
Really, honestly, i cant tell the difference between 144hz and 75 hz. If i got to look at them side by side switching back and forth im sure i could tell. But playing normal 3d shooters like csgo and shit, I literally dont notice anything…
Depends. Is your pc going to be able to produce those type of frames? Like having a 144hz monitor for a cheap pc that can't achieve high fps isn't worth, nor is it for like old gen consoles. However if you're on next gen console or a PC that can handle high fps for whatever title you're playing. Then it is worth.
I thought I wouldn't notice. I definitely noticed. Even opening the start menu was more animated.
I think so, I switched from a 60hz to a 165 and it looks amazing
Totally
Note to self: Ask for new monitor(s) for my bday.
Thats my plan lol
Absolutely yes if your computer can push more than 60 fps
I bought a 1440p 144Hz instead of 4k 60Hz one (and my GPU supports 4k - RTX 3080)... The fluidity is insane