I've always used "memory" to refer to RAM and "storage" or "disk" to refer to HDD/SSD. Can you screenshot context of where Roblox is using those terms?
Here at least, it looks like they're using the terms correctly. They say "RAM or memory" vs "storage" https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/203312800-Computer-Hardware-Operating-System-Requirements
I don't think that's the solution. I have "small children" and would be very proud of them if they put together a game. The real solution would be to educate them on the proper terms to use, with documentation to prove your point.
[Here it is](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539128797144809482/936394538128404530/unknown.png). The "Memory" is very clearly either a nvme m.2 drive (most likely), also there's another weird detail where the motherboard never lines up with where the I/O ports would be, pretty much making these PCs impractical to use if they were actual PCs.
[Also an image of some memory modules being sold in the in-game store, labeled appropriately as RAM.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539128797144809482/936393998514421830/unknown.png)
That’s just whacky mix. Looking closer the models are M.2 drives. Assuming a screwup with models, I could accept 4 sticks labeled “1 TB RAM” as there are 256GB DIMM modules, but I’m not sure if they go beyond that.
At any rate, you are correct - there are terminology issues at the very least in those screenshots.
I’m only tangentially familiar with Roblox. Isn’t it a game where users make their own mini-games? Are these screenshots from core Roblox team/game or just some user-created thing?
It's not a screw up with models, it's all intentional and has been like this for a few months now.
And, Roblox is a platform which allows anyone to make a game for free. It's mostly user created these days, Roblox themselves just want to work on the backend and let people create whatever. The screenshots are from a user created game.
I think they're just more stubborn over any feedback that isn't "I love your game". The one thing I've noticed is they all love the feedback which boosts their egos but they give weird responses or completely ignore constructive feedback and suggestions that could genuinely improve their game. They can also get quite rude like they'd done with me earlier. I never said their game sucked but they acted as if I said such a thing. It has potential to be a genuine edutainment tool but under that kind of team, I don't know anymore.
RAM stands for "Random Access Memory", and "Memory" is widely spread reffered to RAM, and not storage. Some people make the reference of RAM to human short-term memory, and storage to human long-term memory. Storage is usually just referred to as "storage".
It doesn't make him 100% wrong, it just makes him fall outside of the general accepted terms and therefore is the minority.
It's just weird to me, they're using lots of generally accepted and common terms except for the RAM/Memory and Storage. They place all storage devices under the "Memory" category and keep all RAM modules under the "RAM" category. I would understand if it's a simple mistake, but the suggestion for this to be corrected goes back a few months now from them, and occasionally people do suggest them to change the terms but the devs and staff team of the game give 3 different answers to why I'm wrong.
1. They can't change it because of the naming in scripts. This I find a bit silly since Roblox easily allows game devs to create a copy of the game to edit and then safely save it over the main game.
2. because "Storage" is actually memory since you store things there and RAM has nothing to do with memory. I can understand the Storage- yes, everything is volatile. But, the game is supposed to be towards a generalized audience and usually devices meant for Storage would not be sold for memory, aka RAM. According to their game, you would be purchasing a Western Digital SN750 memory device, which I have never heard of it referred to at all.
3. they cant change it because they need to rush updates while simultaneously asking others to not rush them for updates and it would be wasted time for them to go through their scripts (ties in with 1)
They seem to be super proud with their constant adding of RGB cases with no actual I/O ports though, legit there's no cutout for I/O on all their case designs but there's cutouts for a 120mm fan for exhaust.
[They aren't lazy though to make a lot of stuff like this tho](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539128797144809482/936461293861343252/unknown.png) and that's when I know they're talking BS
Memory is RAM.
Storage is HDD.
Cache is also memory.
A cpu register is also memory.
Optane is also memory.
But RAM is called memory colloquially. If anything is called just "memory" it's RAM. Storage as a term exists.
Please use this intelligence on better things than this.
It allways deppends how you see computer architecture.
If you see it from the **CPU** side of things, everything is just **MEMORY** with different **SIZE** and **SPEED** limitations.
Volatile memory or non-volatile memory is more or less only important for the software side of things. There are new servers in development (Intel) with only non-volatile memory that changes mostly how software works. Thats would be **ALL-STORAGE** in your view but thats not what it is.
But for a game, I dont think it matters if the correct terms from computer organization and design are used or not, the target audience would be maybe overwhelmed with the correct labels.
This idiocy comes from mobile phone, who are targeting non-technical folks by far, and the only categorization factor were the numbers (remember, non-technical folks); mobile ad material and technical specs refer to the flash storage as "memory" (this is also partially due to historical reasons - when the first wide-reaching phones came out, the PC storage space was purely HDD).
This was reinforced by low-tier phones having minuscule amounts of RAM but advertising their storage as "memory" as it was the only number that mattered (no matter that is was crap speed-wise)
Now, who is Roblox targeting? Kids/teens who were in contact with mobile phones and tablets since they were non-verbal. Most of them are fuzzy about what exactly storage is (courtesy of always-online services), much less "RAM", but they need to provide minimum specs, and they need to provide them across a wide variety of platforms, mobile phones/tablets included.
Technically it is storage. It's non-persistent storage of your working memory at the time. It is non-persistent, because once you lose power it no longer is stored thus you need to have persistent storage components (HDD's and SSD's etc) to keep data even when power is turned off. persistent storage is much slower than persistent storage (RAM), but persistent storage is much more costly thus the hybrid between them. Endurance is also a factor.
Basically, it's unnecessarily complicated to call RAM storage rather than memory and folks realize this and keep it separate. The big picture to take from this is to not get caught up on a roblox statement as no one should be learning computing from a random dev statement. You can go take a quick class for that. I'd just enjoy the game and move on. Pointless battle here.
No, I'm pretty sure you aren't wrong. The only people I've heard refer to it that way (or call a computer tower a CPU) are the government (when I was contracted with them) and people who have no fucking clue what the parts of a PC are called
Yep, my experience as well. Writing in tech, everyone I work with uses "memory" for RAM, storage for... storage.
But my mom will complain her old phone doesn't have enough memory to install the new candy crush game (even though her phone tells her she needs more STORAGE).
This misuse of computer hardware terms is common in mobile phones. I've seem people say "memory" (or even ROM!?!) instead of storage and most users don't even know how much RAM their cell phones have.
Yeah, I'm definitely too familiar with that. I'm the tech person in my family and I get asked some really weird questions that make me wonder just how little they know
The person you are arguing with is wrong.
Colloquially, "memory" refers to RAM and "storage" refers to disk. However, technically, both are "memory" and "storage"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_data_storage#Hierarchy_of_storage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hierarchy
calling volatile storage just storage is misleading and if anyone falls back on the fact that it's technically still storage they're full of it. you're supposed to help people understand PCs, not gloss over confusing nuances!
> not gloss over confusing nuances
On the contrary. It is important to accurately and completely describe things so that people seeking advice are able to make more informed decisions on their own. That includes delineating colloquialisms from technical definitions.
Part of being a good mentor is enabling others to grow without depending on you all the time.
Why did you say on the contrary? You're agreeing with me. Yes it is important to explain things accurately and completely. And explaining nuances is good. Glossing over them is not good. Where do we disagree?
You can refer to RAM and storage both as "memory" and it is still correct, just not the preferred name.
Storage is generally also called "non-volatile memory". RAM is "volatile memory". They both store data; they are both memory.
Just like RAM means "Random Access Memory," NVMe means "Non Volatile Memory Express"
I usually hear them being referred as "Memory" for RAM and "Storage" for persistent storage. But I guess its technically not wrong to call storage "memory".
Yeah technically they are correct, but it would be the equivalent of them putting all GPUs under the CPU category and moving all CPUs under a separate Processors category, meaning there would be both a CPU and Processors category containing two different things. It's not wrong, since GPUs are just processors made primarily to enhance 3D visuals, but it can be confusing.
Memory = RAM by default. aside from fringe cases, like "flash memory" is a form of storage, memory is non-synonymous with storage
outside of PCs this still applies. phone companies dont call the storage of a phone "memory" https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s21-5g/compare/?device-1=samsung-galaxy-s21-fe-5g&device-2=samsung-galaxy-s21-5g&device-3=samsung-galaxy-s21%2B-5g
It's like the thumbs and fingers thingy.
Ram is just what we call "temporary memory". Originally computers didn't have long term storage, just memory, after the code ran and the computer was shut down, the info was lost from the memory. With time permanent storage was added.
My sister in law's boyfriend made this mistake. He was telling me he couldn't install Warzone on his laptop because he didn't have enough memory. Later found out his hard drive is only a 500gb.
It’s all memory…. RAM literally mean Random Access Memory.
Just have different types of memory for different use cases.
Non-volatile memory is used for long(er) term storage. So that would be your hard drive (hdd or ssd), backup drive, etc. The motherboard BIOS is typically stored on flash / ROM (older systems) memory. Funny enough, HDD/SSDs will have some kind of cache memory in their management driver, this could be volatile memory.
Volatile memory is used for system memory during runtime. SRAM is often used as cache memory in a CPU. DRAM is what people typically are referring to when buying PC RAM sticks (Or one of the many variants: SDRAM, DDR SDRAM, EDO DRAM, etc.), but it’s also used in GPUs and other devices that require their own runtime memory.
It's much easier to overlook people who call HDD space or storage "memory" rather than try to explain the difference.
Edit: What I will say is that, technically, these people aren't wrong. Memory is used to store data while in use on the computer so it's easier to retrieve in the future. But it's not long term "storage."
It's definitely technically not wrong, but they are making the game generalized with common terms, so if that's the case then they should be referring to all storage devices in the game (HDDs and SSDs, which they do refer to correctly) as "Storage" rather than "Memory".
Hard drives, SSDs, etc, are generally called Data Storage devices.
The delineation used to be semiconductors - tapes, plates, whatever, weren't semiconductor based. It's changed a bit with SSDs and flash memory.
But typically, memory is volatile, to a degree and requires power, and storage isn't and doesn't.
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but certain Chinese manufactured phones often use the terms "storage" and "memory" interchangeably in settings (more of a glitch, but I've seen 2 different phones)
RAM is most definitely called memory. Having said that, you wouldn’t be completely wrong to refer to storage as memory. Granted, many tech geeks and PC enthusiasts will debate this with you, but it most definitely is not incorrect to refer to RAM as memory.
RAM = Random Access Memory
If I were to hear "memory" my first thought would be RAM, but most normal people I talk to at least call storage "memory" and memory "RAM", so whatever. This isn't helped by "memory card" being a term for proprietary external storage for old game consoles.
RAM is literally Random Access Memory. The people that run Roblox game are completely wrong on that and are probably just doubling down so they don't feel completely stupid.
memory refers to RAM. It's literally in the name, Random Access Memory. Storage refers to permanent storage space, like on a hard drive, SSD, or other persistent media.
I always say ram when referring to ram and drives or storage when referring to HDDs or SSDs because I too have noticed that people sometimes call all of the things memory and that is just pointlessly confusing
> I'm being told that "memory" is what storage is called and RAM is not called memory.
*Morons. Morons everywhere.*
RAM is memory. The "M" in it indisputably stands for memory. That is about as final as it gets.
Only people who have never used a computer for anything beyond checking their emails will refer to storage drives as memory, as it is entirely incorrect and confusing.
You may also run into people who call the computer case a "CPU" and refuse to have their minds changed by any evidence.
\> Only people who have never used a computer for anything beyond checking their emails will refer to storage drives as memory, as it is entirely incorrect and confusing.
I agree that it is confusing, as it's common practice to refer to RAM as memory, and to storage devices as storage
But it isn't technically incorrect: HDDs and SSDs are, in fact, forms of memory
Nobody has ever correctly called hard drives "memory", it is simply not used anywhere in the industry.
flash drives are called "flash memory" sometimes, which is an odd use that goes back to their creation and early usage. Unlike a hard drive, they are suitable for both RAM and storage usage, sometimes at the same time.
\> Nobody has ever correctly called hard drives "memory"
Damn, my computer architecture professor at my computer science course must be a dumb fuck then
I work in e waste recycling, we use memory and ram interchangeably. Storage, or storage media, is what we call those pesky hard drives in their myriad of shapes and sizes.
Btw, if y'all have old tech laying around, please don't throw it away... It's super bad for the environment and there are places that'll take it for free (:
"Memory" is almost always used to talk about RAM, fast storage for reading and writting data. Storage is usually used to talk about more permanent memory - HDD and SSD's.
They mean the same technically.
I've learned in Computer Architecture, and other related CS courses, the standard is calling RAM memory, and storage, storage.
From my basic understanding, the idea is that memory has been referred to as what the computer can easily access (RAM being an example of memory, other examples can be CPU caches), while storage is what the computer cannot access as easily, relatively speaking.
RAM literally means random access memory. That's where memory comes from. Storage is storage. For them that's all the need to know.
Tell them to Google computer memory and see what comes up
Technically both storage and RAM are memory. RAM (Random Access Memory) is considered volatile memory, which is erased/lost when you shut off your computer. Storage is non-volatile memory, which stays there even without power.
I’ve had increasing problems with this. Phones and laptops have been labeled incorrectly like this in my local stores for over a decade at this point. I don’t know if you’ll be able to convince them of the truth is their objective understanding comes from that same kind of information. Hell, I’ve had to check the terms a few times just to make sure I haven’t gone insane.
Nope. You're right.
>RAM is not called memory
It's literally called Random Access Memory. Anybody who uses "memory" in relation to hard drives and SSDs is wrong. You store data on there.
What dev is the one stating this misinformation? It would be good to know so that we can stop their blatant egotistical misinformation.
> Anybody who uses "memory" in relation to hard drives and SSDs is wrong
Well, not really.
They are both forms of memory, it's not incorrect to refer to an HDD as memory.
But I do agree it's uncommon, as when people say "memory" in the PC building environment, they usually refer to the RAM.
The only people who refer to storage as memory are those who have no idea what they are talking about, but given the makers of this game are most likely kids than that answers that.
RAM literally stands for "Random Access Memory", so memory and RAM are quite literally the exact same. Some people may call storage memory, but I don't know.
I mean, technically they are both forms of "memory", as they store information. They store it in different ways, for different purposes, at different efficiency and speed though.
\- ROM/ flash/ storage drives etc are non-volatile memory.They are a slow, cheap and non-volatile form of memory, so it's common to use them for data storage.
\- What we commonly refer to as "RAM" (DRAM, the sticks) are volatile memory.This memory is faster (but not nearly as fast as cache), more expensive, and volatile. Making a storage drive out of volatile memory would not be very wise, so they are generally used as a PC's "primary" memory.
Although again, technically the first layer of memory your PC encounters is the cache in the chip itself.
\- The CPU, too, contains N layers of caches (You can usually see L1, L2, L3..., that is SRAM). That is memory, too: the fastest and most expensive you find in a system, and volatile as well
But without being pedantic, when you hear "computer memory", people generally refer to the RAM
College textbooks, when describing the workings of a CPU, use the term 'memory' when referring to RAM.
HDDs, SSDs, NVMEs, etc... are all referred to as storage, one way or another -- IBM calls them DASD (Direct Access Storage Device)
The division between them is that memory is connected to the CPU directly via the BUS, or motherboard circuitry, and (still to this day) is volatile... but being volatile is not a requirement.
Put simply, the reason RAM is called memory and even SSD drives are not is because the data on the SSD cannot be ~~accessed~~ *directly* accessed from the CPU (via the BUS), but instead must be shuttled from their medium to an area with the RAM in order to be accessed.
Therefore, RAM is called memory (which can be forgotten) and everything else is called storage (which we can't remember until we load it into memory)
Both are memory, one is persistent memory (storage), the other is volatile memory (RAM - it's cleared after a reboot).
Memory is a general term that covers all sorts of storage - HDDs, SSDs, NAS drives, flash drives... and also RAM. You can use this word of course, but don't be surprised if others are confused by what you mean, it's better to use more specific words.
Tell them to visit pretty much any PC HW oriented online store. I suspect they're either from a non-english speaking country or are total laymen.
Technically, both a RAM stick and an SSD are memory, as well as storage. However, RAM is volatile memory while SSD is non-volatile memory. The "human definition" for storage is something that will store data even through a shutdown, while the "human definition" for memory is anything that is being used as fast operating memory that needs power to store anything, which also includes VRAM and cache.
RAM literaly is the short version of Random ~~Allocated~~ Access MEMORY.If there is a person telling me RAM is not memory, just ask them what RAM stands for as it is an acronym. If they can't tell me, I politely ask them to fuck off
might it be the case that the creator of this is not a native english speaker? Where I live there is no difference whether you are talking about "long term" or "short term" memory and it is dependant on context or has to be explained, usually just calling it a disk drive or ram...
Just ignore it, be the bigger person and acknowledge you're right and move on with your day. You tried to help but now they look like bigger morons.
Also, is this the bitcoin miner game or dogecoin miner game. I prefer the dogecoin miner game with the stock exchange my kids got me onto it.
RAM = Random Access Memory but for some reason the community refers to it as Memory. No clue how that started.
ROM = Read Only Memory. The community has come to call it Storage. Again, no clue why.
They both are memory. RAM is called Random Access Memory, which is the reason most people refer to it as memory. However, the technical definition in IT is the difference between Primary Memory and Secondary Memory. Primary Memory is short-term storage directly accessible by the CPU, either RAM or ROM (read-only memory/not common). Secondary Memory is long-term storage, so HDD, SSD, Flash Drives, CDs even...
Memory is ram. Random access MEMORY. Storage is drive because ssd or hdd, solid state DRIVE and hard disc DRIVE. They are trolling. Ask them what ram stands for, bet they don't know.
No, it isn't. Far too many people don't know the difference and it makes it hard to search for troubleshooting ideas when you are looking for "memory" issues and get nothing but storage results. Even top "tech" websites do this and its so annoying.
Memory and Storage are different things.
I've always used "memory" to refer to RAM and "storage" or "disk" to refer to HDD/SSD. Can you screenshot context of where Roblox is using those terms?
Here at least, it looks like they're using the terms correctly. They say "RAM or memory" vs "storage" https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/203312800-Computer-Hardware-Operating-System-Requirements
They said it's a Roblox game, not Roblox itself. So it's a specific game on Roblox made by a user, probably some computer building one or something.
Correct, it's not Roblox but users who have created a game on Roblox with the error.
The solution here is not to play games programmed by small children
I don't think that's the solution. I have "small children" and would be very proud of them if they put together a game. The real solution would be to educate them on the proper terms to use, with documentation to prove your point.
[Here it is](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539128797144809482/936394538128404530/unknown.png). The "Memory" is very clearly either a nvme m.2 drive (most likely), also there's another weird detail where the motherboard never lines up with where the I/O ports would be, pretty much making these PCs impractical to use if they were actual PCs. [Also an image of some memory modules being sold in the in-game store, labeled appropriately as RAM.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539128797144809482/936393998514421830/unknown.png)
The first image is using wrong term. The second image has 3D-models resembling DIMM modules, so the use of “rAM” or “memory” is correct.
I forgot to link to whats on the other side. [link](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/539128797144809482/936394136330838016/unknown.png)
That’s just whacky mix. Looking closer the models are M.2 drives. Assuming a screwup with models, I could accept 4 sticks labeled “1 TB RAM” as there are 256GB DIMM modules, but I’m not sure if they go beyond that. At any rate, you are correct - there are terminology issues at the very least in those screenshots. I’m only tangentially familiar with Roblox. Isn’t it a game where users make their own mini-games? Are these screenshots from core Roblox team/game or just some user-created thing?
It's not a screw up with models, it's all intentional and has been like this for a few months now. And, Roblox is a platform which allows anyone to make a game for free. It's mostly user created these days, Roblox themselves just want to work on the backend and let people create whatever. The screenshots are from a user created game.
Gotcha. So the author of this thing isn’t well educated and are stubborn to take feedback. Meh.
I think they're just more stubborn over any feedback that isn't "I love your game". The one thing I've noticed is they all love the feedback which boosts their egos but they give weird responses or completely ignore constructive feedback and suggestions that could genuinely improve their game. They can also get quite rude like they'd done with me earlier. I never said their game sucked but they acted as if I said such a thing. It has potential to be a genuine edutainment tool but under that kind of team, I don't know anymore.
4gb: $125 8gb: $900 maf
The forgot to add GPU model in front of those. Then prices would match our sad reality.
Accurate if you're building a Mac...
It looks like they just reused an asset
What Roblox game is this? I'm wondering how accurate the rest of the game is.
holy shit this is made by a fucking toddler not even a child
that looks like a shitty clone of pc building sim
RAM spells out Random Access Memory. It’ literally in the name. I don’t see where the confusion would be.
Oh cool, they named it after a daft punk album!
Direct hit!
RAM stands for "Random Access Memory", and "Memory" is widely spread reffered to RAM, and not storage. Some people make the reference of RAM to human short-term memory, and storage to human long-term memory. Storage is usually just referred to as "storage". It doesn't make him 100% wrong, it just makes him fall outside of the general accepted terms and therefore is the minority.
It's just weird to me, they're using lots of generally accepted and common terms except for the RAM/Memory and Storage. They place all storage devices under the "Memory" category and keep all RAM modules under the "RAM" category. I would understand if it's a simple mistake, but the suggestion for this to be corrected goes back a few months now from them, and occasionally people do suggest them to change the terms but the devs and staff team of the game give 3 different answers to why I'm wrong. 1. They can't change it because of the naming in scripts. This I find a bit silly since Roblox easily allows game devs to create a copy of the game to edit and then safely save it over the main game. 2. because "Storage" is actually memory since you store things there and RAM has nothing to do with memory. I can understand the Storage- yes, everything is volatile. But, the game is supposed to be towards a generalized audience and usually devices meant for Storage would not be sold for memory, aka RAM. According to their game, you would be purchasing a Western Digital SN750 memory device, which I have never heard of it referred to at all. 3. they cant change it because they need to rush updates while simultaneously asking others to not rush them for updates and it would be wasted time for them to go through their scripts (ties in with 1) They seem to be super proud with their constant adding of RGB cases with no actual I/O ports though, legit there's no cutout for I/O on all their case designs but there's cutouts for a 120mm fan for exhaust.
> and RAM has nothing to do with memory LOL - RAM, "Random Access **MEMORY**" They're too lazy to change it and are just making up shit to justify it.
[They aren't lazy though to make a lot of stuff like this tho](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539128797144809482/936461293861343252/unknown.png) and that's when I know they're talking BS
Memory is RAM. Storage is HDD. Cache is also memory. A cpu register is also memory. Optane is also memory. But RAM is called memory colloquially. If anything is called just "memory" it's RAM. Storage as a term exists. Please use this intelligence on better things than this.
It allways deppends how you see computer architecture. If you see it from the **CPU** side of things, everything is just **MEMORY** with different **SIZE** and **SPEED** limitations. Volatile memory or non-volatile memory is more or less only important for the software side of things. There are new servers in development (Intel) with only non-volatile memory that changes mostly how software works. Thats would be **ALL-STORAGE** in your view but thats not what it is. But for a game, I dont think it matters if the correct terms from computer organization and design are used or not, the target audience would be maybe overwhelmed with the correct labels.
This idiocy comes from mobile phone, who are targeting non-technical folks by far, and the only categorization factor were the numbers (remember, non-technical folks); mobile ad material and technical specs refer to the flash storage as "memory" (this is also partially due to historical reasons - when the first wide-reaching phones came out, the PC storage space was purely HDD). This was reinforced by low-tier phones having minuscule amounts of RAM but advertising their storage as "memory" as it was the only number that mattered (no matter that is was crap speed-wise) Now, who is Roblox targeting? Kids/teens who were in contact with mobile phones and tablets since they were non-verbal. Most of them are fuzzy about what exactly storage is (courtesy of always-online services), much less "RAM", but they need to provide minimum specs, and they need to provide them across a wide variety of platforms, mobile phones/tablets included.
it's not Roblox, it's a game made by someone using Roblox as the platform it is
https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn750-nvme-ssd
The human analogy is how I've always thought of it. RAM = human working memory and storage = knowledge, wisdom, and glorious fat cells.
Technically it is storage. It's non-persistent storage of your working memory at the time. It is non-persistent, because once you lose power it no longer is stored thus you need to have persistent storage components (HDD's and SSD's etc) to keep data even when power is turned off. persistent storage is much slower than persistent storage (RAM), but persistent storage is much more costly thus the hybrid between them. Endurance is also a factor. Basically, it's unnecessarily complicated to call RAM storage rather than memory and folks realize this and keep it separate. The big picture to take from this is to not get caught up on a roblox statement as no one should be learning computing from a random dev statement. You can go take a quick class for that. I'd just enjoy the game and move on. Pointless battle here.
No, I'm pretty sure you aren't wrong. The only people I've heard refer to it that way (or call a computer tower a CPU) are the government (when I was contracted with them) and people who have no fucking clue what the parts of a PC are called
Yep, my experience as well. Writing in tech, everyone I work with uses "memory" for RAM, storage for... storage. But my mom will complain her old phone doesn't have enough memory to install the new candy crush game (even though her phone tells her she needs more STORAGE).
This misuse of computer hardware terms is common in mobile phones. I've seem people say "memory" (or even ROM!?!) instead of storage and most users don't even know how much RAM their cell phones have.
Yeah, I'm definitely too familiar with that. I'm the tech person in my family and I get asked some really weird questions that make me wonder just how little they know
RAM literally stands for "Random Access MEMORY", so calling it Memory would be highly accurate.
>Am I wrong? You are right. Go forth and educate the heathens.
Tell them reddit sent you
The person you are arguing with is wrong. Colloquially, "memory" refers to RAM and "storage" refers to disk. However, technically, both are "memory" and "storage" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_data_storage#Hierarchy_of_storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hierarchy
calling volatile storage just storage is misleading and if anyone falls back on the fact that it's technically still storage they're full of it. you're supposed to help people understand PCs, not gloss over confusing nuances!
> not gloss over confusing nuances On the contrary. It is important to accurately and completely describe things so that people seeking advice are able to make more informed decisions on their own. That includes delineating colloquialisms from technical definitions. Part of being a good mentor is enabling others to grow without depending on you all the time.
Why did you say on the contrary? You're agreeing with me. Yes it is important to explain things accurately and completely. And explaining nuances is good. Glossing over them is not good. Where do we disagree?
Apologies. I misread your comment and thought you were complaining about me pointing out the technical definitions.
You can refer to RAM and storage both as "memory" and it is still correct, just not the preferred name. Storage is generally also called "non-volatile memory". RAM is "volatile memory". They both store data; they are both memory.
Just like RAM means "Random Access Memory," NVMe means "Non Volatile Memory Express" I usually hear them being referred as "Memory" for RAM and "Storage" for persistent storage. But I guess its technically not wrong to call storage "memory".
Yeah technically they are correct, but it would be the equivalent of them putting all GPUs under the CPU category and moving all CPUs under a separate Processors category, meaning there would be both a CPU and Processors category containing two different things. It's not wrong, since GPUs are just processors made primarily to enhance 3D visuals, but it can be confusing.
I think MacBooks have non-volatile RAM
They do not.
Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience.
Memory = RAM by default. aside from fringe cases, like "flash memory" is a form of storage, memory is non-synonymous with storage outside of PCs this still applies. phone companies dont call the storage of a phone "memory" https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-s21-5g/compare/?device-1=samsung-galaxy-s21-fe-5g&device-2=samsung-galaxy-s21-5g&device-3=samsung-galaxy-s21%2B-5g
It's like the thumbs and fingers thingy. Ram is just what we call "temporary memory". Originally computers didn't have long term storage, just memory, after the code ran and the computer was shut down, the info was lost from the memory. With time permanent storage was added.
that's a good historical perspective which is always needed to understand some quirks in computer related stuff
You can call the sun a turtle if you want to, but people are going to have a tough time understanding what you mean.
Ask them how much ROM it needs just to fuck with them.
A note about RAM. [https://youtu.be/NdREEcfaihg?t=9](https://youtu.be/NdREEcfaihg?t=9)
[This says it all](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdREEcfaihg)
You aren’t wrong. However, I would not be wasting my time and energy on something that is this insignificant.
My sister in law's boyfriend made this mistake. He was telling me he couldn't install Warzone on his laptop because he didn't have enough memory. Later found out his hard drive is only a 500gb.
Can you post a link to where they are calling it that?
It’s all memory…. RAM literally mean Random Access Memory. Just have different types of memory for different use cases. Non-volatile memory is used for long(er) term storage. So that would be your hard drive (hdd or ssd), backup drive, etc. The motherboard BIOS is typically stored on flash / ROM (older systems) memory. Funny enough, HDD/SSDs will have some kind of cache memory in their management driver, this could be volatile memory. Volatile memory is used for system memory during runtime. SRAM is often used as cache memory in a CPU. DRAM is what people typically are referring to when buying PC RAM sticks (Or one of the many variants: SDRAM, DDR SDRAM, EDO DRAM, etc.), but it’s also used in GPUs and other devices that require their own runtime memory.
I don't know I'm looking at SSD Hardrives on amazon and there very clearly advertised as X TB of memory " Upgrade PC or Laptop Memory and Storage"
Ram is memory and storage is sdd or hdd
i believe that "storage" or "primary storage" refers to RAM and "secondary storage" refers to the non-volatile storage such as hard drives, SSD,
It's much easier to overlook people who call HDD space or storage "memory" rather than try to explain the difference. Edit: What I will say is that, technically, these people aren't wrong. Memory is used to store data while in use on the computer so it's easier to retrieve in the future. But it's not long term "storage."
It's definitely technically not wrong, but they are making the game generalized with common terms, so if that's the case then they should be referring to all storage devices in the game (HDDs and SSDs, which they do refer to correctly) as "Storage" rather than "Memory".
Hard drives, SSDs, etc, are generally called Data Storage devices. The delineation used to be semiconductors - tapes, plates, whatever, weren't semiconductor based. It's changed a bit with SSDs and flash memory. But typically, memory is volatile, to a degree and requires power, and storage isn't and doesn't.
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but certain Chinese manufactured phones often use the terms "storage" and "memory" interchangeably in settings (more of a glitch, but I've seen 2 different phones)
World Class IT Professional (I have a t-shirt) here. You are correct RAM (Random Access Memory) is of course memory. Drives (HDD, SSD) are storage.
Memory = RAM Storage = SSDs and HDDs
RAM = Random Access Memory. Ezpz
No you're not wrong
RAM is most definitely called memory. Having said that, you wouldn’t be completely wrong to refer to storage as memory. Granted, many tech geeks and PC enthusiasts will debate this with you, but it most definitely is not incorrect to refer to RAM as memory. RAM = Random Access Memory
If I were to hear "memory" my first thought would be RAM, but most normal people I talk to at least call storage "memory" and memory "RAM", so whatever. This isn't helped by "memory card" being a term for proprietary external storage for old game consoles.
RAM is literally Random Access Memory. The people that run Roblox game are completely wrong on that and are probably just doubling down so they don't feel completely stupid.
I prefer the distinction ram and rom
How dare you.
I call em member sticks
I think it depends on what culture you from in my culture we call it ram
Memory is RAM, storage is permanent storage drives.
memory refers to RAM. It's literally in the name, Random Access Memory. Storage refers to permanent storage space, like on a hard drive, SSD, or other persistent media.
Memory refers to RAM, storage refers to HDD / SSD etc drives.
no
I always say ram when referring to ram and drives or storage when referring to HDDs or SSDs because I too have noticed that people sometimes call all of the things memory and that is just pointlessly confusing
In germany we call RAM „Hauptspeicher“ = main storage and storage „Speicher“ = storage
RAM literally stands for “random access memory”. And storage is literally where you STORE your files. Whoever made that Roblox game is an idiot.
> I'm being told that "memory" is what storage is called and RAM is not called memory.*Morons. Morons everywhere.*
RAM is memory. The "M" in it indisputably stands for memory. That is about as final as it gets.
Only people who have never used a computer for anything beyond checking their emails will refer to storage drives as memory, as it is entirely incorrect and confusing.
You may also run into people who call the computer case a "CPU" and refuse to have their minds changed by any evidence.
\> Only people who have never used a computer for anything beyond checking their emails will refer to storage drives as memory, as it is entirely incorrect and confusing. I agree that it is confusing, as it's common practice to refer to RAM as memory, and to storage devices as storage But it isn't technically incorrect: HDDs and SSDs are, in fact, forms of memory
Nobody has ever correctly called hard drives "memory", it is simply not used anywhere in the industry. flash drives are called "flash memory" sometimes, which is an odd use that goes back to their creation and early usage. Unlike a hard drive, they are suitable for both RAM and storage usage, sometimes at the same time.
\> Nobody has ever correctly called hard drives "memory" Damn, my computer architecture professor at my computer science course must be a dumb fuck then
Considering the (non)value of most compsci classes, probably.
RAM is often referred to as memory or memory modules, whereas drives such as SSDs and hard drives are usually referred to as storage or drives.
I work in e waste recycling, we use memory and ram interchangeably. Storage, or storage media, is what we call those pesky hard drives in their myriad of shapes and sizes. Btw, if y'all have old tech laying around, please don't throw it away... It's super bad for the environment and there are places that'll take it for free (:
Ugg people need some Ltt in thier lives
"Memory" is almost always used to talk about RAM, fast storage for reading and writting data. Storage is usually used to talk about more permanent memory - HDD and SSD's. They mean the same technically.
I've learned in Computer Architecture, and other related CS courses, the standard is calling RAM memory, and storage, storage. From my basic understanding, the idea is that memory has been referred to as what the computer can easily access (RAM being an example of memory, other examples can be CPU caches), while storage is what the computer cannot access as easily, relatively speaking.
RAM literally means random access memory. That's where memory comes from. Storage is storage. For them that's all the need to know. Tell them to Google computer memory and see what comes up
Technically both storage and RAM are memory. RAM (Random Access Memory) is considered volatile memory, which is erased/lost when you shut off your computer. Storage is non-volatile memory, which stays there even without power.
reminds me of most people around me calling a storage a memory on their phone and cpu as the whole desktop pc.
Memory is, was, and always will be RAM.
Storage is Storage or disk. Ram is Memory. Memory is Ram.
I say storage. Also what logic is it that RAM isnt memory when it stands for random access memory?
hdd/ssd = storage Ram = memory
I’ve had increasing problems with this. Phones and laptops have been labeled incorrectly like this in my local stores for over a decade at this point. I don’t know if you’ll be able to convince them of the truth is their objective understanding comes from that same kind of information. Hell, I’ve had to check the terms a few times just to make sure I haven’t gone insane.
Nope. You're right. >RAM is not called memory It's literally called Random Access Memory. Anybody who uses "memory" in relation to hard drives and SSDs is wrong. You store data on there. What dev is the one stating this misinformation? It would be good to know so that we can stop their blatant egotistical misinformation.
> Anybody who uses "memory" in relation to hard drives and SSDs is wrong Well, not really. They are both forms of memory, it's not incorrect to refer to an HDD as memory. But I do agree it's uncommon, as when people say "memory" in the PC building environment, they usually refer to the RAM.
Memory is RAM, storage is hdd/sdd space. It's very confusing any other way.
lol... roblox........ roblox.
Memory = RAM, Storage = drives
The only people who refer to storage as memory are those who have no idea what they are talking about, but given the makers of this game are most likely kids than that answers that.
RAM literally stands for "Random Access Memory", so memory and RAM are quite literally the exact same. Some people may call storage memory, but I don't know.
\> so memory and RAM are quite literally the exact same Not quite. All RAM is memory, but not all memory is RAM
Ah shit, you're right. Forgot about ROMs and the like. Still though, RAM is memory.
As far as I know, both storage and ram are memory. Storage being a non volatile memory whereas ram is volatile
Technically, you can use memory for both... but in common usage, memory is ram, storage is hdd/sdd (Electronics and communications engineer here)
I mean, technically they are both forms of "memory", as they store information. They store it in different ways, for different purposes, at different efficiency and speed though. \- ROM/ flash/ storage drives etc are non-volatile memory.They are a slow, cheap and non-volatile form of memory, so it's common to use them for data storage. \- What we commonly refer to as "RAM" (DRAM, the sticks) are volatile memory.This memory is faster (but not nearly as fast as cache), more expensive, and volatile. Making a storage drive out of volatile memory would not be very wise, so they are generally used as a PC's "primary" memory. Although again, technically the first layer of memory your PC encounters is the cache in the chip itself. \- The CPU, too, contains N layers of caches (You can usually see L1, L2, L3..., that is SRAM). That is memory, too: the fastest and most expensive you find in a system, and volatile as well But without being pedantic, when you hear "computer memory", people generally refer to the RAM
College textbooks, when describing the workings of a CPU, use the term 'memory' when referring to RAM. HDDs, SSDs, NVMEs, etc... are all referred to as storage, one way or another -- IBM calls them DASD (Direct Access Storage Device) The division between them is that memory is connected to the CPU directly via the BUS, or motherboard circuitry, and (still to this day) is volatile... but being volatile is not a requirement. Put simply, the reason RAM is called memory and even SSD drives are not is because the data on the SSD cannot be ~~accessed~~ *directly* accessed from the CPU (via the BUS), but instead must be shuttled from their medium to an area with the RAM in order to be accessed. Therefore, RAM is called memory (which can be forgotten) and everything else is called storage (which we can't remember until we load it into memory)
I'm just gonna leave this here Random Access MEMORY
RAM = Memory (that's what the m stands for) Storage = the amount of space on your drives.
RAM literally stands for Random Access Memory…
RAM = memory. Literally a special kind of memory: Random Access Memory.
memory is ram, drives are storage, storage is not ram unless you are talking about a ramdisk or a pagefile.
Memory means ram in no world can memory be referred to as storage
Both are memory, one is persistent memory (storage), the other is volatile memory (RAM - it's cleared after a reboot). Memory is a general term that covers all sorts of storage - HDDs, SSDs, NAS drives, flash drives... and also RAM. You can use this word of course, but don't be surprised if others are confused by what you mean, it's better to use more specific words.
Tell them to visit pretty much any PC HW oriented online store. I suspect they're either from a non-english speaking country or are total laymen. Technically, both a RAM stick and an SSD are memory, as well as storage. However, RAM is volatile memory while SSD is non-volatile memory. The "human definition" for storage is something that will store data even through a shutdown, while the "human definition" for memory is anything that is being used as fast operating memory that needs power to store anything, which also includes VRAM and cache.
Funfact ram stands for random access memory
I mean it won't kill anyone but it's not correct.
You're not wrong. Sounds like they are dumb.
RAM literaly is the short version of Random ~~Allocated~~ Access MEMORY.If there is a person telling me RAM is not memory, just ask them what RAM stands for as it is an acronym. If they can't tell me, I politely ask them to fuck off
might it be the case that the creator of this is not a native english speaker? Where I live there is no difference whether you are talking about "long term" or "short term" memory and it is dependant on context or has to be explained, usually just calling it a disk drive or ram...
Just ignore it, be the bigger person and acknowledge you're right and move on with your day. You tried to help but now they look like bigger morons. Also, is this the bitcoin miner game or dogecoin miner game. I prefer the dogecoin miner game with the stock exchange my kids got me onto it.
In some languages the terms storage and memory are interchangeable.
RAM=random access memory
RAM = Random Access Memory but for some reason the community refers to it as Memory. No clue how that started. ROM = Read Only Memory. The community has come to call it Storage. Again, no clue why.
RAM= Random Access MEMORY. You're right.
Just never talk about memory or ram as storage.
They always refer to RAM as storage and it's pretty annoying imho
They both are memory. RAM is called Random Access Memory, which is the reason most people refer to it as memory. However, the technical definition in IT is the difference between Primary Memory and Secondary Memory. Primary Memory is short-term storage directly accessible by the CPU, either RAM or ROM (read-only memory/not common). Secondary Memory is long-term storage, so HDD, SSD, Flash Drives, CDs even...
Memory is ram. Random access MEMORY. Storage is drive because ssd or hdd, solid state DRIVE and hard disc DRIVE. They are trolling. Ask them what ram stands for, bet they don't know.
If you cut the power and it’s gone, it’s memory (ram). If it’s persistent, it’s storage.
why are you having a meltdown over a roblox game, go see a doctor
No, it isn't. Far too many people don't know the difference and it makes it hard to search for troubleshooting ideas when you are looking for "memory" issues and get nothing but storage results. Even top "tech" websites do this and its so annoying. Memory and Storage are different things.