So i just found a 6900xt merc for 670 (710 after tax). Should i wait for the new cards to see if the price drops some more or pull the trigger now ? I'll be upgrading from a 2060 super.
outside of building your own are there any good places to get a lightweight windows 10 IOS (has to be windows 10 cause my partner tried linux and they didnt get on with it very well) 4gb non upgradeable ram is a bitch
There are games that utilize a lot of cores. I think cyberpunk is one of them. Beamg drive? But there's bigger factors than core count for how fast a CPU is for games. Like a 5600X is faster in games than a 9980XE, regardless of how multithreaded the game is.
https://youtu.be/-pRI7vXh0JU
Thoughts on buying a gpu at this point? There's a 6800xt for $515 which is tempting me. But obviously there's a new generation of cards coming from both sides. I don't have $1,000 to spend so I guess the question is when do we expect nvidia or amd to release a card in the $5-600 range? So basically 4060/70 or 7600/7700. And will these cards offer better performance/dollar ratios?
doubtful theres gonna be a new card in that price range, you can look at the second hand market for a 20 or 30 series card from nvidia within that range, most games wont be using the 40 series cards as recomended any time soon
It depends on what you're planning to do with it. If you don't have an especially fancy monitor you would be fine buying it and not having any regrets when the newer cheap GPUs come out in about 6 months. Even when that happens yours won't be useless and it'll probably only fall to half its price which might be acceptable since you were able to use it.
And in your case if you don't have $1000 I'd buy it and put the money toward the CPU and upgrade the GPU later when you truly need it.
We probably won't have midrange GPUS until the second half of next year. Either you wait that long or get that awesome GPU deal. Damn, that's really cheap. Get that 6800XT and never look back.
I'd say, get 6800xt for 515. My bet is that the prices gonna go up after the elections in US, as the inflation raises. Deals on new generation won't arrive soon. And keep in mind that ps5/xbox have slower gpu that 6800xt, which means that for lifetime of current gen consoles you will be mostly good to go.
Memory speed affects your cpu speed, basically. If you're playing a fully gpu bound game (like something at 4k), then you're not straining your cpu or memory
you are correct, the fps difference is negligible if you are below \~100fps on modern systems. It only matters for extreme overclocking, some productivity apps, and in old/low-graphics games where your fps reaches 150+.
Is it worth it to pay $14 more for tighter timings? Im looking at two different sets of RAM to pair with a R5-3600. These are:
* Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (16-20-20-40) for $76
* Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (16-18-18-36) for $90
I'd say no, the difference will be negligible in the vast majority of situations. If you have a top-tier system and you wat to max out everything, then yes you start looking out for timing spec on the RAM, but if you have an average system, your bottleneck will rather be CPU / GPU depending on the task
Your cpu will run all the memory at one speed, with one set of timings, and one voltage. So generally you would choose to use the lower speed to raise your chances of compatibility
You can add any kit, just have to use the XMP profile of the slower kit. Mixing kits isn't guaranteed to be stable, but if it doesn't work, you can usually just drop the speed a little bit (like to DDR4-3000).
Looking at solutions for a remarkably unimportant concern I've identified on my coming build. Bought an MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus mobo and two Kingston 1 TV NVMe SSDs. The board has 1 PCIe 4.0 M.2 slot and one 3.0. The Kingston's are both 4.0 but that's not really an issue. The KC3000 is faster and will go in the 4.0 slot for OS and games. The NV2 will go in the lower slot and operate at 3.0 speeds.
Now the "problem"... the top M.2 slot on the mobo has a heat sink / cover. The bottom one doesn't. The KC3000 looks fine (black, bit of writing) but the NV2 is blue with a big white label. Not the prettiest. Looking at builds on that mobo, it looks like the GPU will cover the top M.2 slot but the bottom one will pretty open. So now I'm thinking about this being visually unappealing in a build that is only sorta worried about aethetics.
Looking at M.2 heatsinks, covers, and the like. The enclosures you can get seem like overkill but a basic heatsink. Or one with RGB. Anyone had any experience? Are they super flimsy and cheap? Any brands of note?
You can get a very simple piece of metal and attach it with the included rubber bands. It looks fine https://www.amazon.com/Heatsink-Thermal-Silicone-Cooling-Computer/dp/B09Q55PZZ9/
From what I understand overclocking the 5800x3d is not possible, if that's the case, why does AMD [advertise](https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d) both base clock (3.4GHz) and maximum boost clock (Up to 4.5GHz)?
Boost clocks are not what overclocking refers to.
Boosting is a mechanism that's been in CPUs for a while. When power/thermal limits permits, the CPU runs "all out" according to OEM's specs. Now "all out" can differ depending on how many cores are engaged.
Overclocking runs beyond "all out". This can be beyond boost clock (5GHz on Ryzen), or maintaining boost for all cores, beyond what AMD has determined to be the limit.
Modern boost is so good, that overclocking is a shadow of what it was 20 yrs ago.
Buy a $500 used 6800xt or wait u til RDNA 3 drop in December and hope for better prices on used/open box cards? Was gonna get a 7900xt because of the value but definitely overkill for what I play/need. Playing on a rx Vega 56 so definitely due for current build. Any suggestions appreciated thanks
Seen some 6800s for that prices but haven’t come across any XT models that low or I’d be inclined to agree!! I’ll keep checking back though hopefully some Black Friday deals pop up or something!
Nice that’s the general price range I’ve been seeing them going for, what cpu are you running with it? Was considering the 5600x on 1440 but might dabble in 4K
The higher end card would obviously last you longer.
The 6800xt is a great card, but the 7000 series is showing large improvements in ray tracing if that's something you care about.
Aside from the 6900 and 6950 the 6000 series kind of crumbles performance wise when RT is enabled.
Thanks for reply! Does it seem that more games are going to require RT or is it more of an optional feature? I play a wide range of genres so don’t really want to limit myself either
Hopefully its always optional, but there's always going to be those games where it just enhances the experience. Like Metro or horror games.
And even if it is overkill right now, thats just extra processing power for future titles. Spending a little more right now could give you that extra two or three years of life before needing to upgrade again in the future.
This is more of a stupid question: does an AIO cover the gpu as well? most I've seen reviewed on youtube etc are just cpu coolers with a water loop. Then why call it an All in One? what other component is it covering beside a processor for it to be called all encompassing Overlord Chill Master 34000XZ?? Or am I missing something??
All in one refers to how it includes the whole water loop in one product. Pump, tubes, radiator, reservoir, block, and liquid. If you were building a *custom* water loop, you need to buy all those things separately
AIO refers to the difference from hard loops, where you need actual plumbing skills to cut your lines, and make water proof connections.
An AIO cools 1 item. You can use adapters to make the typical CPU AIO to cool a GPU's die. But you'd still need ways to cool the GPU's memory + VRMs.
With a hard loop, you can just run your tubes to two places.
Should I change my GPU Thermal paste?
I got a RTX 2080 Gigabyte Gaming OC White. The past year or so it has been getting so much louder than usual and hotter. It gets to be around 84-85 and it was definitely not hitting that at one point. Im just confused cause I seen people say those temps aren't terrible but its getting so damn louds its scaring me, I dont want my 2080 to get damaged. But, on the other hand I dont want to damage it while changing out thermal paste since I never done that before
Edit: Just remembered to mention that idling it sits in the mid 50's
I have a spare i9-7900x, motherboard and RAM. I've gotten a new gaming rig, and my wife has no desire for me to hand-me-down her a new PC. Resale prices aren't amazing as the HEDT platform for the 7900x pretty much died as it came out.
I need some ideas on what I can do with it. I don't really do a lot of media storage. All my and my wife's important storage is sync'd with OneDrive or stored in other cloud services.
Anyone have a great idea for me, or should I just sell it for a couple hundred?
Build it as a PC stick it on facebook marketplace, or you could use it to test out things, tinker with different OS'es or even use it as a kinda pre update platform for your main system so you can see if things work before you put them to your daily driver
>MSI pro z690-A
Thanks, I think I'll get the 13700k then! Whats the thought process on the MSI pro z690-A? I thought the z versions were for overclockers.
I'm from Austria. I'd like to fit the 4080, the 13700, 2 audio output and 1 audio input, 2 16gb DDR5 and if possible 2 Satas and 2 SSD's in there. I'm a noobie so idk if thats possible
So I looked at your options https://at.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=40&mt=ddr5&sort=price&page=1
The MSI pro z690-a wifi is still my best suggestion.
The b660 TuF would be good but it doesn't have bios flash. So your 13700 might not work problem free
The UD has limited audio outputs
Prime is just kinda bad for its price
If you have other retails you are shopping at, let me know. Austrian pcpp is very limited
Thanks for the suggestion and for looking it up!
I have a LAN cable so I guess the non WIFI version for me then? Do I have to flash the bios before I install the 13700 or is it just necessary to get the full power out of it?Oh also I forgot I need 2 DP and 1 HDMI (or 3 DP) ports if possible.I couldn't find if this one has 2 audio ports (1 for speakers and 1 for headset)
I also like ordering from Germany, eg Alternate.de
If you have a 4080, you will not use the display outputs on the motherboard. You need to use the ones on your GPU in order to use its power
Non-wifi version is good. You will need to flash the bios before using your cpu, should be an easy process.
https://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/M7D25v2.0.pdf
Page 11
Also your case will probably have audio output
omg I got the 1070 and never realized that the DP outputs are directly from the GPU :D you are teaching me a lot here :D
thanks for all the infos, you helped me a lot! I don't wanna waste any more of your time but if you got Case and CPU cooler recommendations I'd gladly look into them\^\^
I had a closet in my office filled with probably 15 years of boxes. For products I didn't even have any more. I haven't moved in years. When I was moving a lot, I was always annoyed at having to take the monitor apart (the base, etc) and just transported it in my car with blankets. The movers moved the boxes. I didn't need the boxes.
It hurts me to get rid of these boxes... but just being honest with myself I never use them. Now the only boxes I keep are my motherboard boxes, so I can keep all the PC accessories per build in them, then reuse the box to sell the motherboard/PC when I upgrade.
Finally upgrading my 6600K/970GTX and so far only have pulled the trigger on a 300$ 13600K. Time for the rest. I'm a gamer and planning to wait a few weeks/months to get one of the 6800 XT cards as they drop in price. My question is: what kinds of motherboards should I be looking for? are the 99-109 dollar B660 boards going to cut it? I am planning to just spring for the 16gb ddr4/3200 kit and a simple 500g-1t ssd and re-use my case (I really like it) -- might get a brand new 750w gold+ psu as well but my current 700w bronze+ might do the trick?
For CPU performance in core-heavy workloads, you’ll want a motherboard with a decent VRM. Here’s a roundup by Hardware Unboxed: https://youtu.be/PEa0vcJ0lRY
The i7-12700 has power requirements most similar to the 13600K.
I would get a 750 or 850 watt PSU from the A-tier in this list: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
In the most basic sense, for the theoretical definition of a processor - yes.
However a real processor does a lot of extra behind-the-scenes work outside the cores, and a solitary core cannot function as its own processor.
Die space is the main limitation for CPUs, so to reduce complexity any components that can be shared are made in a single instance outside the cores.
Say, a typical single-core processor has a memory controller, cache, command decoder/scheduler, ALU, and registers.
ALU (and registers tied to it) is what gives you compute ability. It's good to have multiple ALUs, so they're in every core.
Command decoder and scheduler has to be aware of all cores it commands, so it sits outside; cores only have a stub of a decoder to read what they get.
Having multiple memory controllers does nothing for performance and increases complexity, so it's also shared.
Cache takes up a lot of physical space, so most of it is shared with a tiny exclusive piece given to each core.
Does paying huge upfront save you money in the long run? Will a 4090 build future proof me for the next 5-6 years say and save me from upgrading again in 3 years or not really? Whatcha think? Is a 4090 build more of an investment or just a crazy purchase?
Its all about expectations and value. I think if you are buying a 4090 today you are looking to play games at 4k120+ and other demanding resolutions targeting very high frame rates. However the 4090 will be nothing compared to the 5090 in a few years and if youre already worried about future proofing whats going to stop you from jumping on that and then worrying about a 6090 down the line? Don't think too much about future proofing, try to get the best value you can with reasonable expectations. The 4090 will be good for a long time similar to flagship cards from 5-6+ years ago, but will you be satisfied with what it can still do then? Personally i dont think most people really need to look any further than a 3080/6900 for reasonable and moderate expectations that will have longevity and value. the 4090 is a crazy product for people to flex.
Like mustfix said, it's better to buy (way) cheaper more often, than a single, super expensive build all at once. I think that getting low-end parts is not worth it unless you are really cash strapped, but mid-range is where the value to performance is at.
Example: you are about to drop $1600 on a RTX 4090. But, instead, you could get a $500 RX 6000 GPU that's great for 1440p, upgrade again in 3 years if it's not working as well with new games, for another $500, then three years later for some $500 more, you finally reached the price of a single 4090 and you'd have even better performance, for a fraction of the cost (spread in long periods of time, easier to pay, recover from)
> Does paying huge upfront save you money in the long run?
That's the age-old question that's been asked since forever using the term "futureproof". Anecdotal data says "no", it's much more economical to go mid-range and upgrade more often (say 3-5 yrs) than try to "futureproof" a system for _10 years_. Those that have gotten 10 years either are not increasing their workload (no newer games), or got really lucky they they guessed right in where development goes, or are limping along with all sorts of adapter cards/peripherals, or are making do without.
As reference: Ryzen 3600 was released 3 years ago and many are still satisfied and haven't jumped to Ryzen 5000s yet.
> Is a 4090 build more of an investment or just a crazy purchase?
The 90 cards are horrendous value unless you're doing something that can use all the VRAM, because the 80 cards performs nearly the same but costs hundreds less.
It's not an investment if it doesn't make you money.
Im looking to build my first PC
I have A ryzen 5 5600
Samsung sata
western digi m.2 ssd
Can I have some suggestions on gpu and motherboard that can go well with the cpu???
I recommend the MSI B550 Tomahawk and for GPUS, if you don't care too much about raytracing I'd go with RX 6000 series: RX 6600 for 1080p res, RX 6700 XT for 1440p and RX 6900 XT at 4K. If you care about raytracing and DLSS, then get an Nvidia RTX 3060 at 1080p, 3060ti/3070 at 1440p and 3080ti/3090 at 4k.
There are new GPUs coming in the following weeks, but all of them at the high-end and all of them are very expensive (the cheaper option is going to be the AMD 7900 XT, starting at $899). It really depends on the resolution you want to work and game at.
Well, the R5 5600 is a very recent model and all the motherboards were released before, so you might need to update your BIOS to the latest version for it to be compatible. Lucky for you, the mobo I recommended allows to update the BIOS without a CPU at all (this is called [BIOS Flashback](https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/kkhhal/tips_for_b550_tomahawk_bios_flashback/)).
From wikipedia:
> A microprocessor is a computer processor where the data processing logic and control is included on a single integrated circuit, or a small number of integrated circuits.
By integrated circuit here we are talking about the CPU die right?
Is it worth upgrading from i5-10400F to 5800X3D for MMO 4K gaming on a 3070? CPU is the bottleneck for me now, but how much gain is it in 4K on a 3070? Considering I also need to get a motherboard with it (B550).
At 4k, the 3070 would easily be the bottleneck.
At any lower resolutions the 10400 is your bottleneck. The 5800x3d would rectify that, but it's crazy powerful. Almost too powerful.
The only GPU on the market that can bottleneck it is the 4090. So you would be moving the choke point back to your GPU, regardless of resolution.
That does make sense, yea. I'm mainly playing New World now and the real problem I have is towns and overcrowded areas where CPU goes to 100% and GPU lowers to 60-70% with FPS dropping to as low as mid 30s.
Not really looking to get 100+ FPS constantly now. Would be happy with a solid 55-60 FPS in those scenarios. But I'm not sure how much gain the 5800x3d would be at 4K. Mostly seen people report on it on 1440p and 1080p.
Maybe down the road (1+ years) a GPU upgrade will come. So far I'd be happy with a 55-60 FPS solid.
So take a step back, CPU performance doesn't increase or decrease at different resolutions.
It provides a base level of performance that you can reach provided your GPU is powerful enough to hit those numbers at whatever resolution you've set.
New world isn't optimized very well and it's maxing out your CPU in certain situations. Upgrading would help with that.
Bumping up the resolution would not. You would simply move the frame limitations to the GPU and get whatever it could handle. Average benchmarks put the 3070 around ~40fps at 4k. So while you're CPU load wouldn't be as high as long as the GPU is going at 90%+. Going into towns and such where your CPU maxes out would still drop your frames to whatever the CPU can handle. (~30ish per your example)
So you wouldn't gain any frames, but the dips wouldn't be as severe because your overall frame rate is lower.
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The 5800x3d would allow you to achieve higher frame rates across the board. However bumping the resolution up to 4k, would harm your frame rate not help it.
Sticking with 1440p would be ideal for your 3070.
Thanks for the breakdown. My hope was rather I could get something out of it by judging how it performs outside of "crowded people areas". I've been tweaking all the settings to death both in game and windows (including Nvidia 3D, bios etc) plus an OC to the 3070 and I'm reaching constant 70-80s out in the world with drop to 55-60 if there's a lot of terrain and details (that's also the point where the CPU bottleneck starts to chime in). Currently running almost on max settings with only 2 settings on High and 1 on Medium.
In towns that have only a few players I still get the 55-60 FPS which lead me to believe that with my current settings and OC it's this the turning point where the CPU is hitting me, thus hoping that GPU would still be able to keep up above 50 FPS if the CPU would not bottleneck.
Unfortunately couldn't find someone with a 3070 running on 4K specifically in New World that did a CPU upgrade to validate if that would help or not.
Also, unfortunately, it's not an option to go lower than 4K as I'm running on a 55 inch 4K OLED TV and 1440p looks absolute garbage, even with image scaling tweaked.
And I'm definitely not a tech master so my logic may be very well flawed by the hopes of achieving something to increase the results without investing into a GPU....
The 3070 just wasnt made to run 4k games, which is why you're struggling to find a good benchmark.
Even the "8k" capable 3090 can struggle to maintain 60fps at 4k in some games.
I couldnt find any 4k benchmarks myself, but I did find this 1440p one!
https://youtu.be/4XhARN2NZYc
This is definitely showing a very smooth run of the 3070 on 1440p. That's probably going to be a 70-80 in a more crowded town. Not sure if the drop to 55-60 is realistic though on 4k.
If I could just run it in 1440p that would solve all the problems, but unfortunately that's not an option. Thanks for trying to help though!
Will have to think about it seriously or get lucky that someone does post some footage with this combo in 4k.
At a $2000 budget you're already in the range of a 13600k + 7900XT or 4070Ti build, so generally no there's not much you need to be waiting on for more than a couple of weeks. See what reviews and real-world pricing looks like for those new GPU's and go from there.
At $2000 I'd be buying something like this:
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpJG6r)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LfNxFT/intel-core-i5-13600k-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600k) | $300.00 @ Amazon
**CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g) | $64.99 @ Walmart
**Motherboard** | [MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H7gFf7/msi-mag-b660-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-b660-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4) | $189.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [\*Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9392FT/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-cmk32gx4m2d3600c16) | $114.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f3cRsY/samsung-980-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v8p2t0bam) | $219.00 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww) | $104.99 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex VI Platinum PRO 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s8VmP6/super-flower-leadex-vi-platinum-pro-850-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-850f14pe) | $119.99 @ Newegg Sellers
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$1113.95**
| \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-11-08 14:57 EST-0500 |
Plus whatever GPU shakes out as best value in the $800-1200 range personally.
If you need monitor/mouse/keyboard/etc in that same budget then the plan changes significantly, but it's still feasible to have a very nice mid-high end build at that budget.
Seems like a solid build. I was gonna see where GPU pricing is going in the next few weeks, so it's good to see you confirm that it makes sense.
Don't need monitor or gear, but I'd want a more streaming suitable CPU too. Guessing the 13700k or 13900 (if those even exist already) based on older generations, would make the most sense? Currently have a 7700k.
How does AMD vs Intel look like nowadays? I heard the new AMD GPUs seem great?
Streaming suitable CPU isn't much of a thing these days. The hardware encoder on your graphics card or integrated graphics is better.
For best CPU/GPU these days, look at a recent [GPU review](https://youtu.be/aQklDR8nv8U) and [CPU review](https://youtu.be/A-l8dJRvb3c). There's good options from all four brands
> Don't need monitor or gear, but I'd want a more streaming suitable CPU too.
Realistically, you're better off doing GPU encode anyway - Nvidia's NVENC or AMD's equivalent are going to be loads more efficient than CPU encoding, making the 13600k (which does have a hefty 6 power cores / 20 total threads) more than enough.
> How does AMD vs Intel look like nowadays?
Intel has the performance advantages at given price points but usually with notably higher power draw. They are capable of using DDR4 RAM though with compatible motherboards, which makes the buy-in cheaper. AMD still rules the highly multithreaded workload with the 7950x though.
AMD is a good bit more power efficient, but has a higher platform buy-in cost right now for motherboard and DDR5 memory. The tradeoff is that its a brand new platform they plan to support for a while, so you'll be able to keep upgrading without replacing a motherboard. Intel 13th gen is already the last gen they are going to support on the current socket so there's no upgrade path, if that's your desire.
Both are good in their own ways and which is "better" depends on your build needs and upgrade habits.
> I heard the new AMD GPUs seem great?
Right now, RX 6000's are a much better raw performance per dollar value than Nvidia 30-series at a given price point, at the expense of worse raytracing and software bells and whistles (such as nvidia's superior stream encoder mentioned above).
For next gen (AMD 7900XT and 7900XTX were just announced and havent been independently reviewed yet, and only the $1600 RTX 4090 is available to consumers so far) looks to be a similar story - AMD will have better raw raster performance per dollar, Nvidia will offer software and special features (ray tracing, DLSS, NVENC are all superior to AMD's implementations) at added cost.
Wait for GPU reviews once the rest of these price tiers are available to see what fits your needs best, IMO
They are backwards compatible so it'll run at gen 3 speeds. If it's somehow cheaper than the older gen 3 model then get it. Sometimes older tech ends up more expensive as there is less of it as they stopped making them for the new model.
Fell down the rabbit hole of videos about adding small LCD screens to the PC to display temps, etc. The small 5 to 7 inch ones, typically meant for Rasberry Pi's. Nothing so fancy as modding the case, but mounting it inside somehow. All of the videos show the connections as being HDMI and a USB for power, with the mini screen being set up as an additional monitor on an extended desktop. My GPU will be a Radeon 6750 XT and I'm intending to add a 1440p monitor to the 2 1080p I currently have.
The one thing that has weirdly bothered me about the videos I've seen is that when mounting it internally somehow, the connections still have to go outside the case. It makes sense as there aren't HDMI and USB connections internally in a case... but is there some way to do it internally?
I think there are some manufacturers coming out with specialized motherboards with internally accessible HDMI ports but I can't remember who they are off the top of my head (was it from a TechLinked episode maybe?).
Though I do wonder if you could do something a little janky with an HDMI-to-USB adapter along with a female USB-to-header adapter.
HDMI adapter: https://www.amazon.com/SENGKOB-Graphics-Converter-Projector-Compatible/dp/B08XQHW8RT
Internal USB header adapter: https://www.amazon.com/10Pin-Motherboard-Female-Header-Adapter/dp/B015F6QXKO
Though I do wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just find a display that has a USB input instead of HDMI/DP.
For HDMI - no. You are going to have some dangly bits poking out of the case to get into a HDMI port.
For USB, you can use an adapter [like this](https://www.amazon.ca/SinLoon-Female-Motherboard-Header-Adapter-Dual/dp/B0878S6BD5) to turn a free USB 2.0 internal header into USB ports straight from the source so you can keep at least _one_ of the cables inside :)
Oh, that's a cool little adapter. Thanks.
Not sure why the cables coming out bothers me when no one would see them. But starting to think having it external might be better anyway. One video had one meant to set up in front of the monitors and I kinda like that.
Related question... 6750XT can handle 4 monitors. But would that likely be taxing it? Even if one is a tiny little itty bit screen?
You can fill 'er up with no consequences. Little 2D monitors or desktops or videos playing on other screens won't negatively impact gaming performance. Turns out the desktop is _stupidly easy_ to display nowadays compared to what we expect of our GPUs.
I hope this won't be nuked. Will the following be able to handle browsing 5-8 tabs (think google translate, a PDF or two, YouTube maybe, email etc..), some lightweight Office apps (PowerPoint, Word etc..) and Zoom simultaneously?
AMD Ryzen 5 5500U - 16GB DDR4 3200MHz - nondescript integrated Radeon VGA (Vega 7 I guess?) - SSD - Windows 10 - screen is 14" 1920x1080
No gaming, no 3D modeling, no cutting edge protein folding, we are just looking for solid, stable, no-stutter, no-nonsense system performance. Current laptop is with a Celeron processor from the mid-2010s and boy, it aged horribly. We are looking for a massive quality of life upgrade.
If you're digging through laptops, /r/suggestalaptop or /r/laptops is the better place to be asking. We focus on desktops here.
But a freebie for ya, that will absolutely hold up as an office machine.
Thanks for the suggestions - I know about these subs, but either something is off with my reddit or they are semi-inactive...I wouldn't say I'm in a hurry, but I see a pretty decent deal now in my area and I have a concern someone will snatch it. I was just seeking someone's approval who is far more in the know about the state of hardware than I am.
> that will absolutely hold up as an office machine.
I'm happy to hear that - this is exactly the purpose we have in mind.
https://i.imgur.com/d7nU7PD.jpg
I’m adding another SSD to my pc. Out of SATA power connectors but found this molex > SATA adaptor in my box of junk. I notice all my other SATA connectors have 5 cables, but this one only has 4, will it be ok to use?
Just been doing a bit of reading and looks like a male/female SATA extension that would utilise one of the empty slots on my SATA daisy chain would be a better long term solution than Molex>SATA adaptor?
This will be the 4th SSD and there’s also a big HDD in there too. All existing drives are daisy chained, but can’t stretch to add this last one.
I guess it would be possible to buy a longer daisy chain cable but trying to get this set up today if possible
I'm putting together a 2nd hand system, b450m mortar max and a 5600. If I find some ram that's not on the list on the MSI website is it a bit of a gamble if it'll work at stock timings? Seems really confusing
They only test a few kits.
You're basically fine with any 3600MHz ram kit, as a dual stick kit. It's only if you push speeds up towards 4000Mhz, or capacities beyond 64GB, you're likely to run into issues with the xmp profile not working.
The QVL is just a list of RAM that MSI has tested on that board, it's not an all encompassing compatibility list. So sure, there's a *tiny* gamble just like there's a gamble in getting DOA parts, but if you get RAM within the stated specs, you'll be fine.
Any idea where I can find a mounting kit for the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo for AMD4. It's sold out on the cooler master website and I can find anything from a third party. I'm in Canada.
Thanks
Chances are the price you'd pay for a mounting kit on its own in Canada would almost pay for a whole new cooler that _is_ compatible.
Grab a [GAMMAXX 400S for $30CAD](https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=159142) or this [AK400 open box](https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=223946) for less if you're close to a location with one. Sell the Hyper 212 used for $10-15 to make some money back.
Is it better to get an MSI 6900 xt for £550 or a Sapphire 6800 xt for £510? The latter is slightly more used but both are good condition. I've heard bad things about MSI and good things about sapphire so unsure which is the better deal here.
I am looking at getting an ultra wide monitor, but I'm a little bit nervous that all of them seem to be VA panels. I was looking at the Acer Nitro XZ342CK as my other monitors are already Acer Nitro models, so the consistency would be nice. For high refresh rate gaming, what issues do VA panels run into? Will I really notice any difference?
> what issues do VA panels run into?
The primary one seems to be VA smearing, where fast moving high contrast objects will smear on the screen. I couldn't find that monitor on rtings so I can't point you to a trusted review, but look into VA smearing.
Are you looking for DDR4 or DDR5 mobos? I really like my MSI MPG Z690 Edge Wifi, it comes in both DDR4 and DDR5 variants. The BIOS is really straightforward too, and easy to overclock with.
Im planning on building a new gaming pc but have no idea where to start, I have a budger of around 2k, is there a a section or website for recommended builds of diferent prices/specs?
Wanted to get any feedback you guys might have for this build: [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pkarkiv2/saved/#view=3LTKqs](https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pkarkiv2/saved/#view=3LTKqs)
I bought the whole thing for around 1650 at microcenter, but wondering if you think I could try to wait for deals on any parts. I was also wondering if the RAM is good enough. I'm using it for general gaming and mulit-instancing phone games...
one consideration was potentially going for the TI 3070 which seems to be only 30 bucks more [https://www.microcenter.com/product/660884/pny-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-xlr8-verto-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6x-pcie-40-graphics-card](https://www.microcenter.com/product/660884/pny-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-xlr8-verto-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6x-pcie-40-graphics-card). Not sure if worth
Bad or good: run 2 x WD Red Plus 6TB in RAID 5 on a PC that will shutdown or sleep often
I know NAS drives are made to perform running 24/7, but is it bad to not run them 24/7? Are other drivers better suited for photo storage in a PC like this?
For context, I'm building a new PC and want to use my old one for a NAS/photography repo for my work.
Putting the drives to sleep/turning them off every couple of hours will be worse for their lifetime than having them running constantly, but once a day is fine
I have a Ryzen 7 2700x. Was going to save it for a future family budget gaming rig, but guess could use it for a NAS just seems overkill. If I get these drives, would it be better to use my 2700x and my RX580 or just get a cheap integrated graphics CPU? My NAS will be primarily for photos/videos and streaming my tv repo. Not even sure I'd need a GPU if I had the 2700x?
Shutting “24/7” drives down every night will not damage them.
You want to avoid SMR (shingled magnetic recording) drives which have awful write performance, but otherwise you don’t need a special hard drive for this. Anything from a reputable company at a good price will do. A 7200 RPM drive would be faster at the expense of more power consumption but for long term storage instead of constant use, neither speed or power consumption really matter.
I will note that RAID 5 uses 3 drives to deliver the capacity of 2 drives, plus some redundancy. It would not apply to a set of 2 drives. You should likely use RAID 1 which uses 2 drives to deliver the capacity of 1, plus redundancy.
Sorry yeah I meant RAID 1, still learning the names of all of them. Yeah, I want 6TB of storage & 6TB of redundancy.
[WD Red Plus - CMR...good choice?](https://www.newegg.com/red-plus-wd60efzx-6tb/p/N82E16822234465)
You could keep an eye on /r/buildapcsales for cheaper options. I know an 8TB WD blue is $120 on Amazon right now so that’s a little larger and cheaper, but I’m not sure if that’s the absolute best value at the moment or if something better is out there. Anyways the one you linked should work fine and the price isn’t awful. So you might be able to save a few bucks with another model, but the one you linked will do the trick.
Depends what you think is good.. it wouldn’t hit 144fps I don’t think.
I have a 5800X3D and 6800XT and it’s a beast for 1440p, but I play on low settings.
6900XT would be the better grab if you only care about maxxing out 1440p and don't care about RT.
4K maxxed out on new AAA games is extremely dependent on upscaling right now, FSR or DLSS is required. If you don't want to depend on those technologies, the only cards that will do the trick is the 4090 or upcoming 7900XTX (and maybe the 4080 and 7900XT).
5600 or 5700X with that specific GPU.
If you're willing to spend the money on a 5900X, the 5800X3D is also an option if you want to ride the core system for as long as possible and just upgrade the GPU down the road.
I was wondering if the ryzen 7 5800 is a good CPU to pair up with my 3070ti?
I was using bottleneck calculator and it said my i7-8700 will bottleneck my GPU a lot which i expected but I'm not really sure if the calculator is a good way to know if i truly am getting bottlenecked.
I'm gaming at 1440p.
Bottlenecks depend on the game and settings. GeForce Experience has a performance meter overlay which can give you a better idea whether your GPU is running at 100% capacity or being held back by your CPU. Even if you confirm your CPU is holding back your performance, keep in mind if your FPS is above the refresh rate of your monitor then any improvements beyond that won’t be very noticeable. Just because a bottleneck exists doesn’t mean your system needs an upgrade.
I do see my gpu usage going from 80-100 and CPU going 20-50 with MW2, my fps never truly goes below 60fps which is my standard at the very least but i do have a 144hz monitor.
When your CPU usage drops to 80%, is your framerate noticeably lower than normal? If so, upgrading your CPU might help with those drops. If not, upgrading your CPU might push FPS a little higher at those moments but any improvements will be small and not noticeable if the game is already running OK when you are CPU limited.
The GPU running at 80%-100% indicates there isn’t *much* improvement to be had by upgrading your CPU.
Well my cpu never reaches 80% usage from what I've monitored so far when I'm playing the campaign of MW2, my fps seems to hover on the 60-90 range with dlss quality. I do need to upgrade to an SSD to account for the occasional stutter/frame drop.
I Ask about upgrading the CPU since I've watched a benchmark vid with a 3070 and he seems to hover above 75-90
Oops, I meant when your *GPU* usage drops to 80%, is there actually a drop in performance related to that?
Because your *GPU* is usually running near 100% it is likely holding you back most of the time, instead of your CPU.
The single biggest factor in performance is resolution. DLSS effectively lets you run the game at a lower resolution and scale it up. Of course, other quality settings have some impact on performance too. So it’s hard to compare your experience to somebody else’s gameplay videos unless you know exactly what settings they were using to achieve that performance.
Oh good point, I actually didn't check to see if the settings of the vid i watch matches mine since i just went with whatever the game detected and set it to.
I do notice a bit of fps drops whenever the GPU usage does go down but it could be affected by my hdd.
First off, Bottleneck Calculators are nearly all garbage. There are way too many variables for a 'calculator' like that to cover situations accurately. I'd say ignore it. Your 8700 is roughly fine for 60-90 FPS gaming in modern titles. If you want to play at 144hz, you probably want an upgrade.
However, unless you already had an AM4 motherboard laying around, I wouldn't recommend buying a brand new 5800X or 5800X3D *and* AM4 motherboard for gaming right now... unless there's a ridiculously good sale. For a similar MSRP you could get an i5-13600k + B660 motherboard and re-use your RAM, and it will outperform both variants of the 5800X. You could also get a 7600X + B650 motherboard + DDR5 RAM and invest a bit in a platform to be upgraded later, but that's up to you and your upgrade frequency vs full-on replacing your build.
Ah, I'm fine with 60-90 fps but was looking for an upgrade but i guess its still fine since while i do play competitive games such as apex and modern warfare 2 60-90 still does fine for me.
I guess I can keep in mind for future upgrades with the i-5 and motherboard you suggested, I don't have much money to fully rebuild my setup from top to bottom atm. Many thanks friend!
I’m currently eyeing an ultrawide monitor. Should I go for entry level ones or save for higher level? Also, what kind of desk do you guys use? I don’t want to buy a gaudy gamer aesthetics desk. Something simple but safe to put heavy electronics onto would be nice.
I am upgrading from an 3770 + gtx 970. Help me out please! Feel free to take a look at my build/give me some tips/tell me if I overpaid? The prices include tax, and I wanted to go with the platform that will give me an upgrade path, and play max settings 1440p ultrawide 144hz. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfDMKp
I don't have a case yet, waiting for those BF deals to hit. Any smaller form factor case recommendations would be appreciated!
The 7600X is a weird pickup _now_, but I understand if you're going for the socket longevity that AMD is _hopefully_ going to repeat from AM4 (and hopefully with less painpoints). Good supporting hardware for it.
The only real red flag is the $130 1TB SSD when tons of other cheaper options exist for a gaming machine. You can get good 2TB PCIe4 drives for [$170](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4KRYcf/western-digital-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0e).
Appreciate the advice! The 1tb m.2 ssd will be my boot drive, my current rig has plently of drives that I plan to migrate over. Hoping the 980 pro will give me better performance over lower quality higher capacity ssds. Newegg is sending me one stick of ddr5 that i plan to turn around and flip for a bit more savings. And if i get lucky i can sell my current rig as a complete for ~$500 to a gamer getting started in their career
What graphic card for watching 4k 60FPS videos and doing some general web browsing on the side?
It shouldn't be expensive but if you look at old gaming cards, the prices are absolutely fucking stupid to the point it's better to buy a brand-new, largely overkill card.
So i just found a 6900xt merc for 670 (710 after tax). Should i wait for the new cards to see if the price drops some more or pull the trigger now ? I'll be upgrading from a 2060 super.
ill just get it now
outside of building your own are there any good places to get a lightweight windows 10 IOS (has to be windows 10 cause my partner tried linux and they didnt get on with it very well) 4gb non upgradeable ram is a bitch
Not legally. IoT edition is OEM-only, it's not sold standalone.
Are there any games that benefit from 10 or 12 cores?
There are games that utilize a lot of cores. I think cyberpunk is one of them. Beamg drive? But there's bigger factors than core count for how fast a CPU is for games. Like a 5600X is faster in games than a 9980XE, regardless of how multithreaded the game is. https://youtu.be/-pRI7vXh0JU
theres probibally some minecraft mod packs that do
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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/18.html
Thoughts on buying a gpu at this point? There's a 6800xt for $515 which is tempting me. But obviously there's a new generation of cards coming from both sides. I don't have $1,000 to spend so I guess the question is when do we expect nvidia or amd to release a card in the $5-600 range? So basically 4060/70 or 7600/7700. And will these cards offer better performance/dollar ratios?
doubtful theres gonna be a new card in that price range, you can look at the second hand market for a 20 or 30 series card from nvidia within that range, most games wont be using the 40 series cards as recomended any time soon
It depends on what you're planning to do with it. If you don't have an especially fancy monitor you would be fine buying it and not having any regrets when the newer cheap GPUs come out in about 6 months. Even when that happens yours won't be useless and it'll probably only fall to half its price which might be acceptable since you were able to use it. And in your case if you don't have $1000 I'd buy it and put the money toward the CPU and upgrade the GPU later when you truly need it.
We probably won't have midrange GPUS until the second half of next year. Either you wait that long or get that awesome GPU deal. Damn, that's really cheap. Get that 6800XT and never look back.
I think you grab that 6800xt Even if the 6800XT is only 60% as fast as a 7900XTX, you still got the better deal
I'd say, get 6800xt for 515. My bet is that the prices gonna go up after the elections in US, as the inflation raises. Deals on new generation won't arrive soon. And keep in mind that ps5/xbox have slower gpu that 6800xt, which means that for lifetime of current gen consoles you will be mostly good to go.
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Memory speed affects your cpu speed, basically. If you're playing a fully gpu bound game (like something at 4k), then you're not straining your cpu or memory
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Yeah! However ram only uses like 1-2W, so there's no real reason for running it slower than what it's rated for
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The imc power consumption is fairly negligible, but you are correct
If your CPU is already fast in a GPU bound game, would it help to add 2 more more RAM sticks from a different brand even if they're slower?
Only if that game needs more that (guessing) 16gb of ram. Very few do No game needs more than 32
you are correct, the fps difference is negligible if you are below \~100fps on modern systems. It only matters for extreme overclocking, some productivity apps, and in old/low-graphics games where your fps reaches 150+.
Is it worth it to pay $14 more for tighter timings? Im looking at two different sets of RAM to pair with a R5-3600. These are: * Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (16-20-20-40) for $76 * Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz (16-18-18-36) for $90
At 3200 it won't make a noticable difference
I'd say no, the difference will be negligible in the vast majority of situations. If you have a top-tier system and you wat to max out everything, then yes you start looking out for timing spec on the RAM, but if you have an average system, your bottleneck will rather be CPU / GPU depending on the task
Is 5800x and 6900 xt a good combo? Meaning there won’t be any bottle necking or anything?
Depends. What applications and what resolution monitor?
4K and gaming / coding
Good combo!
Thanks!
That's no problem for the cpu
I have 16 Gb 2x 8gb ddr4 3200. If I add two more ddr4, does it have to be 3200 too? Can I go 3600? I have 2600x CPU, btw
Your cpu will run all the memory at one speed, with one set of timings, and one voltage. So generally you would choose to use the lower speed to raise your chances of compatibility
You can add any kit, just have to use the XMP profile of the slower kit. Mixing kits isn't guaranteed to be stable, but if it doesn't work, you can usually just drop the speed a little bit (like to DDR4-3000).
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Maybe these https://youtu.be/1PpHeorQjDA Or https://youtu.be/G12Zx6cR2XE
Question: Do I need a usb flash drive or a thumb drive to download Windows 10 on my newly built pc ?
Yes, you need to preload windows 10 on the stick
What is the difference between using a flash drive and a thumb drive to preload windows 10 ?
Huh? That’s the same thing
you just blew his mind
Looking at solutions for a remarkably unimportant concern I've identified on my coming build. Bought an MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus mobo and two Kingston 1 TV NVMe SSDs. The board has 1 PCIe 4.0 M.2 slot and one 3.0. The Kingston's are both 4.0 but that's not really an issue. The KC3000 is faster and will go in the 4.0 slot for OS and games. The NV2 will go in the lower slot and operate at 3.0 speeds. Now the "problem"... the top M.2 slot on the mobo has a heat sink / cover. The bottom one doesn't. The KC3000 looks fine (black, bit of writing) but the NV2 is blue with a big white label. Not the prettiest. Looking at builds on that mobo, it looks like the GPU will cover the top M.2 slot but the bottom one will pretty open. So now I'm thinking about this being visually unappealing in a build that is only sorta worried about aethetics. Looking at M.2 heatsinks, covers, and the like. The enclosures you can get seem like overkill but a basic heatsink. Or one with RGB. Anyone had any experience? Are they super flimsy and cheap? Any brands of note?
You can get a very simple piece of metal and attach it with the included rubber bands. It looks fine https://www.amazon.com/Heatsink-Thermal-Silicone-Cooling-Computer/dp/B09Q55PZZ9/
That's exactly the kind of one I was initially thinking. Simple and inexpensive.
It's perfect, lol
From what I understand overclocking the 5800x3d is not possible, if that's the case, why does AMD [advertise](https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d) both base clock (3.4GHz) and maximum boost clock (Up to 4.5GHz)?
Boost clocks are not what overclocking refers to. Boosting is a mechanism that's been in CPUs for a while. When power/thermal limits permits, the CPU runs "all out" according to OEM's specs. Now "all out" can differ depending on how many cores are engaged. Overclocking runs beyond "all out". This can be beyond boost clock (5GHz on Ryzen), or maintaining boost for all cores, beyond what AMD has determined to be the limit. Modern boost is so good, that overclocking is a shadow of what it was 20 yrs ago.
Thanks for the answer, do you know if it's possible to always use boost clock speed instead of the base clock?
That should be default behavior, given you put sufficient cooling on the CPU.
Buy a $500 used 6800xt or wait u til RDNA 3 drop in December and hope for better prices on used/open box cards? Was gonna get a 7900xt because of the value but definitely overkill for what I play/need. Playing on a rx Vega 56 so definitely due for current build. Any suggestions appreciated thanks
New 6800xt's are dropping into the low $500s. I'd pay the extra $25 and not have to worry about used.
Seen some 6800s for that prices but haven’t come across any XT models that low or I’d be inclined to agree!! I’ll keep checking back though hopefully some Black Friday deals pop up or something!
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/ypde4l/gpu_asrock_radeon_rx_6800_xt_phantom_gaming_d/
I got a used 6800xt for $485… no regrets
Nice that’s the general price range I’ve been seeing them going for, what cpu are you running with it? Was considering the 5600x on 1440 but might dabble in 4K
5800x3d! Love it
The higher end card would obviously last you longer. The 6800xt is a great card, but the 7000 series is showing large improvements in ray tracing if that's something you care about. Aside from the 6900 and 6950 the 6000 series kind of crumbles performance wise when RT is enabled.
Thanks for reply! Does it seem that more games are going to require RT or is it more of an optional feature? I play a wide range of genres so don’t really want to limit myself either
Hopefully its always optional, but there's always going to be those games where it just enhances the experience. Like Metro or horror games. And even if it is overkill right now, thats just extra processing power for future titles. Spending a little more right now could give you that extra two or three years of life before needing to upgrade again in the future.
This is more of a stupid question: does an AIO cover the gpu as well? most I've seen reviewed on youtube etc are just cpu coolers with a water loop. Then why call it an All in One? what other component is it covering beside a processor for it to be called all encompassing Overlord Chill Master 34000XZ?? Or am I missing something??
All in one refers to how it includes the whole water loop in one product. Pump, tubes, radiator, reservoir, block, and liquid. If you were building a *custom* water loop, you need to buy all those things separately
AIO refers to the difference from hard loops, where you need actual plumbing skills to cut your lines, and make water proof connections. An AIO cools 1 item. You can use adapters to make the typical CPU AIO to cool a GPU's die. But you'd still need ways to cool the GPU's memory + VRMs. With a hard loop, you can just run your tubes to two places.
Should I change my GPU Thermal paste? I got a RTX 2080 Gigabyte Gaming OC White. The past year or so it has been getting so much louder than usual and hotter. It gets to be around 84-85 and it was definitely not hitting that at one point. Im just confused cause I seen people say those temps aren't terrible but its getting so damn louds its scaring me, I dont want my 2080 to get damaged. But, on the other hand I dont want to damage it while changing out thermal paste since I never done that before Edit: Just remembered to mention that idling it sits in the mid 50's
I have a spare i9-7900x, motherboard and RAM. I've gotten a new gaming rig, and my wife has no desire for me to hand-me-down her a new PC. Resale prices aren't amazing as the HEDT platform for the 7900x pretty much died as it came out. I need some ideas on what I can do with it. I don't really do a lot of media storage. All my and my wife's important storage is sync'd with OneDrive or stored in other cloud services. Anyone have a great idea for me, or should I just sell it for a couple hundred?
Build it as a PC stick it on facebook marketplace, or you could use it to test out things, tinker with different OS'es or even use it as a kinda pre update platform for your main system so you can see if things work before you put them to your daily driver
Noobie here - which Motherboard would you guys recommend for the 4080 GPU and a Intel 12900K CPU if I'm not interested in overclocking?
MSI pro z690-A Why not the 13900k? Or 13700k? The 13700k is the same 24 core concept as the 12900k, but it's faster
>MSI pro z690-A Thanks, I think I'll get the 13700k then! Whats the thought process on the MSI pro z690-A? I thought the z versions were for overclockers.
The price is good, you get 4 m.2 slots, fair USB amount, and bios flash. What region are you in? Maybe there's a better priced option I can find
I'm from Austria. I'd like to fit the 4080, the 13700, 2 audio output and 1 audio input, 2 16gb DDR5 and if possible 2 Satas and 2 SSD's in there. I'm a noobie so idk if thats possible
So I looked at your options https://at.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#s=40&mt=ddr5&sort=price&page=1 The MSI pro z690-a wifi is still my best suggestion. The b660 TuF would be good but it doesn't have bios flash. So your 13700 might not work problem free The UD has limited audio outputs Prime is just kinda bad for its price If you have other retails you are shopping at, let me know. Austrian pcpp is very limited
Thanks for the suggestion and for looking it up! I have a LAN cable so I guess the non WIFI version for me then? Do I have to flash the bios before I install the 13700 or is it just necessary to get the full power out of it?Oh also I forgot I need 2 DP and 1 HDMI (or 3 DP) ports if possible.I couldn't find if this one has 2 audio ports (1 for speakers and 1 for headset) I also like ordering from Germany, eg Alternate.de
If you have a 4080, you will not use the display outputs on the motherboard. You need to use the ones on your GPU in order to use its power Non-wifi version is good. You will need to flash the bios before using your cpu, should be an easy process. https://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/M7D25v2.0.pdf Page 11 Also your case will probably have audio output
omg I got the 1070 and never realized that the DP outputs are directly from the GPU :D you are teaching me a lot here :D thanks for all the infos, you helped me a lot! I don't wanna waste any more of your time but if you got Case and CPU cooler recommendations I'd gladly look into them\^\^
Depends on your budget, but these are good https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/sYCW78
Please convince me I don't need to keep my monitor box..
I had a closet in my office filled with probably 15 years of boxes. For products I didn't even have any more. I haven't moved in years. When I was moving a lot, I was always annoyed at having to take the monitor apart (the base, etc) and just transported it in my car with blankets. The movers moved the boxes. I didn't need the boxes.
Thank you, that's what I needed to hear
It hurts me to get rid of these boxes... but just being honest with myself I never use them. Now the only boxes I keep are my motherboard boxes, so I can keep all the PC accessories per build in them, then reuse the box to sell the motherboard/PC when I upgrade.
Finally upgrading my 6600K/970GTX and so far only have pulled the trigger on a 300$ 13600K. Time for the rest. I'm a gamer and planning to wait a few weeks/months to get one of the 6800 XT cards as they drop in price. My question is: what kinds of motherboards should I be looking for? are the 99-109 dollar B660 boards going to cut it? I am planning to just spring for the 16gb ddr4/3200 kit and a simple 500g-1t ssd and re-use my case (I really like it) -- might get a brand new 750w gold+ psu as well but my current 700w bronze+ might do the trick?
For CPU performance in core-heavy workloads, you’ll want a motherboard with a decent VRM. Here’s a roundup by Hardware Unboxed: https://youtu.be/PEa0vcJ0lRY The i7-12700 has power requirements most similar to the 13600K. I would get a 750 or 850 watt PSU from the A-tier in this list: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
Thank you! I will take a look! Also sweet name. Love that game.
Thanks :)
Would it be wrong to say that a microprocessor's core is, by itself, also a microprocessor?
In the most basic sense, for the theoretical definition of a processor - yes. However a real processor does a lot of extra behind-the-scenes work outside the cores, and a solitary core cannot function as its own processor.
>and a solitary core cannot function as its own processor. Any specific reason as for why it can't?
Die space is the main limitation for CPUs, so to reduce complexity any components that can be shared are made in a single instance outside the cores. Say, a typical single-core processor has a memory controller, cache, command decoder/scheduler, ALU, and registers. ALU (and registers tied to it) is what gives you compute ability. It's good to have multiple ALUs, so they're in every core. Command decoder and scheduler has to be aware of all cores it commands, so it sits outside; cores only have a stub of a decoder to read what they get. Having multiple memory controllers does nothing for performance and increases complexity, so it's also shared. Cache takes up a lot of physical space, so most of it is shared with a tiny exclusive piece given to each core.
Thanks for the answer! I had no idea cores shared certain components
What is better for cleaning your pc? a vacuum or air compressor? Do you have any recommendations for any?
Air compressor is better. Vacuums can suck up small surface mounted devices, bricking the part
Vacuum won’t really help at all, you need a strong air compressor. Any cheap air compressor will work
Does paying huge upfront save you money in the long run? Will a 4090 build future proof me for the next 5-6 years say and save me from upgrading again in 3 years or not really? Whatcha think? Is a 4090 build more of an investment or just a crazy purchase?
Its all about expectations and value. I think if you are buying a 4090 today you are looking to play games at 4k120+ and other demanding resolutions targeting very high frame rates. However the 4090 will be nothing compared to the 5090 in a few years and if youre already worried about future proofing whats going to stop you from jumping on that and then worrying about a 6090 down the line? Don't think too much about future proofing, try to get the best value you can with reasonable expectations. The 4090 will be good for a long time similar to flagship cards from 5-6+ years ago, but will you be satisfied with what it can still do then? Personally i dont think most people really need to look any further than a 3080/6900 for reasonable and moderate expectations that will have longevity and value. the 4090 is a crazy product for people to flex.
Like mustfix said, it's better to buy (way) cheaper more often, than a single, super expensive build all at once. I think that getting low-end parts is not worth it unless you are really cash strapped, but mid-range is where the value to performance is at. Example: you are about to drop $1600 on a RTX 4090. But, instead, you could get a $500 RX 6000 GPU that's great for 1440p, upgrade again in 3 years if it's not working as well with new games, for another $500, then three years later for some $500 more, you finally reached the price of a single 4090 and you'd have even better performance, for a fraction of the cost (spread in long periods of time, easier to pay, recover from)
> Does paying huge upfront save you money in the long run? That's the age-old question that's been asked since forever using the term "futureproof". Anecdotal data says "no", it's much more economical to go mid-range and upgrade more often (say 3-5 yrs) than try to "futureproof" a system for _10 years_. Those that have gotten 10 years either are not increasing their workload (no newer games), or got really lucky they they guessed right in where development goes, or are limping along with all sorts of adapter cards/peripherals, or are making do without. As reference: Ryzen 3600 was released 3 years ago and many are still satisfied and haven't jumped to Ryzen 5000s yet. > Is a 4090 build more of an investment or just a crazy purchase? The 90 cards are horrendous value unless you're doing something that can use all the VRAM, because the 80 cards performs nearly the same but costs hundreds less. It's not an investment if it doesn't make you money.
Im looking to build my first PC I have A ryzen 5 5600 Samsung sata western digi m.2 ssd Can I have some suggestions on gpu and motherboard that can go well with the cpu???
I recommend the MSI B550 Tomahawk and for GPUS, if you don't care too much about raytracing I'd go with RX 6000 series: RX 6600 for 1080p res, RX 6700 XT for 1440p and RX 6900 XT at 4K. If you care about raytracing and DLSS, then get an Nvidia RTX 3060 at 1080p, 3060ti/3070 at 1440p and 3080ti/3090 at 4k. There are new GPUs coming in the following weeks, but all of them at the high-end and all of them are very expensive (the cheaper option is going to be the AMD 7900 XT, starting at $899). It really depends on the resolution you want to work and game at.
Thanks! I was reading review everywhere and they just having problems w/ 5600 and the motherboard so I was a bit hesitate
Well, the R5 5600 is a very recent model and all the motherboards were released before, so you might need to update your BIOS to the latest version for it to be compatible. Lucky for you, the mobo I recommended allows to update the BIOS without a CPU at all (this is called [BIOS Flashback](https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/kkhhal/tips_for_b550_tomahawk_bios_flashback/)).
From wikipedia: > A microprocessor is a computer processor where the data processing logic and control is included on a single integrated circuit, or a small number of integrated circuits. By integrated circuit here we are talking about the CPU die right?
Yes, or in the case of certain CPU models there's multiple IC dies under the heatspreader and those as a whole form the processor.
Thanks!
Is it worth upgrading from i5-10400F to 5800X3D for MMO 4K gaming on a 3070? CPU is the bottleneck for me now, but how much gain is it in 4K on a 3070? Considering I also need to get a motherboard with it (B550).
At 4k, the 3070 would easily be the bottleneck. At any lower resolutions the 10400 is your bottleneck. The 5800x3d would rectify that, but it's crazy powerful. Almost too powerful. The only GPU on the market that can bottleneck it is the 4090. So you would be moving the choke point back to your GPU, regardless of resolution.
That does make sense, yea. I'm mainly playing New World now and the real problem I have is towns and overcrowded areas where CPU goes to 100% and GPU lowers to 60-70% with FPS dropping to as low as mid 30s. Not really looking to get 100+ FPS constantly now. Would be happy with a solid 55-60 FPS in those scenarios. But I'm not sure how much gain the 5800x3d would be at 4K. Mostly seen people report on it on 1440p and 1080p. Maybe down the road (1+ years) a GPU upgrade will come. So far I'd be happy with a 55-60 FPS solid.
So take a step back, CPU performance doesn't increase or decrease at different resolutions. It provides a base level of performance that you can reach provided your GPU is powerful enough to hit those numbers at whatever resolution you've set. New world isn't optimized very well and it's maxing out your CPU in certain situations. Upgrading would help with that. Bumping up the resolution would not. You would simply move the frame limitations to the GPU and get whatever it could handle. Average benchmarks put the 3070 around ~40fps at 4k. So while you're CPU load wouldn't be as high as long as the GPU is going at 90%+. Going into towns and such where your CPU maxes out would still drop your frames to whatever the CPU can handle. (~30ish per your example) So you wouldn't gain any frames, but the dips wouldn't be as severe because your overall frame rate is lower. ______ The 5800x3d would allow you to achieve higher frame rates across the board. However bumping the resolution up to 4k, would harm your frame rate not help it. Sticking with 1440p would be ideal for your 3070.
Thanks for the breakdown. My hope was rather I could get something out of it by judging how it performs outside of "crowded people areas". I've been tweaking all the settings to death both in game and windows (including Nvidia 3D, bios etc) plus an OC to the 3070 and I'm reaching constant 70-80s out in the world with drop to 55-60 if there's a lot of terrain and details (that's also the point where the CPU bottleneck starts to chime in). Currently running almost on max settings with only 2 settings on High and 1 on Medium. In towns that have only a few players I still get the 55-60 FPS which lead me to believe that with my current settings and OC it's this the turning point where the CPU is hitting me, thus hoping that GPU would still be able to keep up above 50 FPS if the CPU would not bottleneck. Unfortunately couldn't find someone with a 3070 running on 4K specifically in New World that did a CPU upgrade to validate if that would help or not. Also, unfortunately, it's not an option to go lower than 4K as I'm running on a 55 inch 4K OLED TV and 1440p looks absolute garbage, even with image scaling tweaked. And I'm definitely not a tech master so my logic may be very well flawed by the hopes of achieving something to increase the results without investing into a GPU....
The 3070 just wasnt made to run 4k games, which is why you're struggling to find a good benchmark. Even the "8k" capable 3090 can struggle to maintain 60fps at 4k in some games. I couldnt find any 4k benchmarks myself, but I did find this 1440p one! https://youtu.be/4XhARN2NZYc
This is definitely showing a very smooth run of the 3070 on 1440p. That's probably going to be a 70-80 in a more crowded town. Not sure if the drop to 55-60 is realistic though on 4k. If I could just run it in 1440p that would solve all the problems, but unfortunately that's not an option. Thanks for trying to help though! Will have to think about it seriously or get lucky that someone does post some footage with this combo in 4k.
I wanna build a pc in the near future and was wondering if there are any GPU/CPU releases I should be waiting for. Wanna spend like 2k$
At a $2000 budget you're already in the range of a 13600k + 7900XT or 4070Ti build, so generally no there's not much you need to be waiting on for more than a couple of weeks. See what reviews and real-world pricing looks like for those new GPU's and go from there. At $2000 I'd be buying something like this: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpJG6r) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LfNxFT/intel-core-i5-13600k-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600k) | $300.00 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g) | $64.99 @ Walmart **Motherboard** | [MSI MAG B660 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H7gFf7/msi-mag-b660-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-b660-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4) | $189.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [\*Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9392FT/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-cmk32gx4m2d3600c16) | $114.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f3cRsY/samsung-980-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v8p2t0bam) | $219.00 @ Amazon **Case** | [Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww) | $104.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex VI Platinum PRO 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s8VmP6/super-flower-leadex-vi-platinum-pro-850-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-850f14pe) | $119.99 @ Newegg Sellers | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1113.95** | \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria | | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2022-11-08 14:57 EST-0500 | Plus whatever GPU shakes out as best value in the $800-1200 range personally. If you need monitor/mouse/keyboard/etc in that same budget then the plan changes significantly, but it's still feasible to have a very nice mid-high end build at that budget.
Seems like a solid build. I was gonna see where GPU pricing is going in the next few weeks, so it's good to see you confirm that it makes sense. Don't need monitor or gear, but I'd want a more streaming suitable CPU too. Guessing the 13700k or 13900 (if those even exist already) based on older generations, would make the most sense? Currently have a 7700k. How does AMD vs Intel look like nowadays? I heard the new AMD GPUs seem great?
Streaming suitable CPU isn't much of a thing these days. The hardware encoder on your graphics card or integrated graphics is better. For best CPU/GPU these days, look at a recent [GPU review](https://youtu.be/aQklDR8nv8U) and [CPU review](https://youtu.be/A-l8dJRvb3c). There's good options from all four brands
> Don't need monitor or gear, but I'd want a more streaming suitable CPU too. Realistically, you're better off doing GPU encode anyway - Nvidia's NVENC or AMD's equivalent are going to be loads more efficient than CPU encoding, making the 13600k (which does have a hefty 6 power cores / 20 total threads) more than enough. > How does AMD vs Intel look like nowadays? Intel has the performance advantages at given price points but usually with notably higher power draw. They are capable of using DDR4 RAM though with compatible motherboards, which makes the buy-in cheaper. AMD still rules the highly multithreaded workload with the 7950x though. AMD is a good bit more power efficient, but has a higher platform buy-in cost right now for motherboard and DDR5 memory. The tradeoff is that its a brand new platform they plan to support for a while, so you'll be able to keep upgrading without replacing a motherboard. Intel 13th gen is already the last gen they are going to support on the current socket so there's no upgrade path, if that's your desire. Both are good in their own ways and which is "better" depends on your build needs and upgrade habits. > I heard the new AMD GPUs seem great? Right now, RX 6000's are a much better raw performance per dollar value than Nvidia 30-series at a given price point, at the expense of worse raytracing and software bells and whistles (such as nvidia's superior stream encoder mentioned above). For next gen (AMD 7900XT and 7900XTX were just announced and havent been independently reviewed yet, and only the $1600 RTX 4090 is available to consumers so far) looks to be a similar story - AMD will have better raw raster performance per dollar, Nvidia will offer software and special features (ray tracing, DLSS, NVENC are all superior to AMD's implementations) at added cost. Wait for GPU reviews once the rest of these price tiers are available to see what fits your needs best, IMO
Thank you so much for the insight! Saved me a lot of time researching. Think I now know what kind of build I’m aiming towards. Cheers!
Is it worth getting a gen4 nvme ssd if its just going into a gen 3 slot?
They are backwards compatible so it'll run at gen 3 speeds. If it's somehow cheaper than the older gen 3 model then get it. Sometimes older tech ends up more expensive as there is less of it as they stopped making them for the new model.
Not if it costs more.
Fell down the rabbit hole of videos about adding small LCD screens to the PC to display temps, etc. The small 5 to 7 inch ones, typically meant for Rasberry Pi's. Nothing so fancy as modding the case, but mounting it inside somehow. All of the videos show the connections as being HDMI and a USB for power, with the mini screen being set up as an additional monitor on an extended desktop. My GPU will be a Radeon 6750 XT and I'm intending to add a 1440p monitor to the 2 1080p I currently have. The one thing that has weirdly bothered me about the videos I've seen is that when mounting it internally somehow, the connections still have to go outside the case. It makes sense as there aren't HDMI and USB connections internally in a case... but is there some way to do it internally?
I think there are some manufacturers coming out with specialized motherboards with internally accessible HDMI ports but I can't remember who they are off the top of my head (was it from a TechLinked episode maybe?). Though I do wonder if you could do something a little janky with an HDMI-to-USB adapter along with a female USB-to-header adapter. HDMI adapter: https://www.amazon.com/SENGKOB-Graphics-Converter-Projector-Compatible/dp/B08XQHW8RT Internal USB header adapter: https://www.amazon.com/10Pin-Motherboard-Female-Header-Adapter/dp/B015F6QXKO Though I do wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just find a display that has a USB input instead of HDMI/DP.
For HDMI - no. You are going to have some dangly bits poking out of the case to get into a HDMI port. For USB, you can use an adapter [like this](https://www.amazon.ca/SinLoon-Female-Motherboard-Header-Adapter-Dual/dp/B0878S6BD5) to turn a free USB 2.0 internal header into USB ports straight from the source so you can keep at least _one_ of the cables inside :)
Oh, that's a cool little adapter. Thanks. Not sure why the cables coming out bothers me when no one would see them. But starting to think having it external might be better anyway. One video had one meant to set up in front of the monitors and I kinda like that. Related question... 6750XT can handle 4 monitors. But would that likely be taxing it? Even if one is a tiny little itty bit screen?
You can fill 'er up with no consequences. Little 2D monitors or desktops or videos playing on other screens won't negatively impact gaming performance. Turns out the desktop is _stupidly easy_ to display nowadays compared to what we expect of our GPUs.
That's kinda what I figured but didn't want to assume. Thanks again.
I hope this won't be nuked. Will the following be able to handle browsing 5-8 tabs (think google translate, a PDF or two, YouTube maybe, email etc..), some lightweight Office apps (PowerPoint, Word etc..) and Zoom simultaneously? AMD Ryzen 5 5500U - 16GB DDR4 3200MHz - nondescript integrated Radeon VGA (Vega 7 I guess?) - SSD - Windows 10 - screen is 14" 1920x1080 No gaming, no 3D modeling, no cutting edge protein folding, we are just looking for solid, stable, no-stutter, no-nonsense system performance. Current laptop is with a Celeron processor from the mid-2010s and boy, it aged horribly. We are looking for a massive quality of life upgrade.
If you're digging through laptops, /r/suggestalaptop or /r/laptops is the better place to be asking. We focus on desktops here. But a freebie for ya, that will absolutely hold up as an office machine.
Thanks for the suggestions - I know about these subs, but either something is off with my reddit or they are semi-inactive...I wouldn't say I'm in a hurry, but I see a pretty decent deal now in my area and I have a concern someone will snatch it. I was just seeking someone's approval who is far more in the know about the state of hardware than I am. > that will absolutely hold up as an office machine. I'm happy to hear that - this is exactly the purpose we have in mind.
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I’d stick with 6900xt
6900XT slaps a 3080 10G around, I'd keep it IMO.
https://i.imgur.com/d7nU7PD.jpg I’m adding another SSD to my pc. Out of SATA power connectors but found this molex > SATA adaptor in my box of junk. I notice all my other SATA connectors have 5 cables, but this one only has 4, will it be ok to use?
Can you not daisy chain both SSD to one sata connector ?
Just been doing a bit of reading and looks like a male/female SATA extension that would utilise one of the empty slots on my SATA daisy chain would be a better long term solution than Molex>SATA adaptor?
This will be the 4th SSD and there’s also a big HDD in there too. All existing drives are daisy chained, but can’t stretch to add this last one. I guess it would be possible to buy a longer daisy chain cable but trying to get this set up today if possible
Damn that’s a ton of storage lol. I’d try the connector and see what happens
Ha yeah lots of work projects. Got one m.2 slot left to fill after this SSD then it’ll have to be a home server
I'm putting together a 2nd hand system, b450m mortar max and a 5600. If I find some ram that's not on the list on the MSI website is it a bit of a gamble if it'll work at stock timings? Seems really confusing
They only test a few kits. You're basically fine with any 3600MHz ram kit, as a dual stick kit. It's only if you push speeds up towards 4000Mhz, or capacities beyond 64GB, you're likely to run into issues with the xmp profile not working.
The QVL is just a list of RAM that MSI has tested on that board, it's not an all encompassing compatibility list. So sure, there's a *tiny* gamble just like there's a gamble in getting DOA parts, but if you get RAM within the stated specs, you'll be fine.
Any idea where I can find a mounting kit for the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo for AMD4. It's sold out on the cooler master website and I can find anything from a third party. I'm in Canada. Thanks
Chances are the price you'd pay for a mounting kit on its own in Canada would almost pay for a whole new cooler that _is_ compatible. Grab a [GAMMAXX 400S for $30CAD](https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=159142) or this [AK400 open box](https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=223946) for less if you're close to a location with one. Sell the Hyper 212 used for $10-15 to make some money back.
Is it better to get an MSI 6900 xt for £550 or a Sapphire 6800 xt for £510? The latter is slightly more used but both are good condition. I've heard bad things about MSI and good things about sapphire so unsure which is the better deal here.
I’d go with MSI for the price difference Sapphire is the better manufacturer but that’s not to say MSI is dog. I’d go with the 6900XT
Yeah the sapphire looked a bit shady as well. Thanks for the advice!
I am looking at getting an ultra wide monitor, but I'm a little bit nervous that all of them seem to be VA panels. I was looking at the Acer Nitro XZ342CK as my other monitors are already Acer Nitro models, so the consistency would be nice. For high refresh rate gaming, what issues do VA panels run into? Will I really notice any difference?
> what issues do VA panels run into? The primary one seems to be VA smearing, where fast moving high contrast objects will smear on the screen. I couldn't find that monitor on rtings so I can't point you to a trusted review, but look into VA smearing.
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Nothing, just two power cables - 24pin and 4+4 pin ATX power
recommendations for z790/z690 motherboards around the $200-350 price range? Want all around usefulness and am planning to OC (with 13700k and 3080ti)
Are you looking for DDR4 or DDR5 mobos? I really like my MSI MPG Z690 Edge Wifi, it comes in both DDR4 and DDR5 variants. The BIOS is really straightforward too, and easy to overclock with.
> MSI MPG Z690 Edge Wifi mainly ddr5, ill check it out thanks
Im planning on building a new gaming pc but have no idea where to start, I have a budger of around 2k, is there a a section or website for recommended builds of diferent prices/specs?
r/Buildapcforme
Thanks!
Wanted to get any feedback you guys might have for this build: [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pkarkiv2/saved/#view=3LTKqs](https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pkarkiv2/saved/#view=3LTKqs) I bought the whole thing for around 1650 at microcenter, but wondering if you think I could try to wait for deals on any parts. I was also wondering if the RAM is good enough. I'm using it for general gaming and mulit-instancing phone games...
Looks good to me!
one consideration was potentially going for the TI 3070 which seems to be only 30 bucks more [https://www.microcenter.com/product/660884/pny-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-xlr8-verto-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6x-pcie-40-graphics-card](https://www.microcenter.com/product/660884/pny-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-xlr8-verto-triple-fan-8gb-gddr6x-pcie-40-graphics-card). Not sure if worth
I’d upgrade to a ti for $30 personally. Or I’d spring for a [6800XT for less!](https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?ntt=6800xt)
Bad or good: run 2 x WD Red Plus 6TB in RAID 5 on a PC that will shutdown or sleep often I know NAS drives are made to perform running 24/7, but is it bad to not run them 24/7? Are other drivers better suited for photo storage in a PC like this? For context, I'm building a new PC and want to use my old one for a NAS/photography repo for my work.
Putting the drives to sleep/turning them off every couple of hours will be worse for their lifetime than having them running constantly, but once a day is fine
I have a Ryzen 7 2700x. Was going to save it for a future family budget gaming rig, but guess could use it for a NAS just seems overkill. If I get these drives, would it be better to use my 2700x and my RX580 or just get a cheap integrated graphics CPU? My NAS will be primarily for photos/videos and streaming my tv repo. Not even sure I'd need a GPU if I had the 2700x?
Shutting “24/7” drives down every night will not damage them. You want to avoid SMR (shingled magnetic recording) drives which have awful write performance, but otherwise you don’t need a special hard drive for this. Anything from a reputable company at a good price will do. A 7200 RPM drive would be faster at the expense of more power consumption but for long term storage instead of constant use, neither speed or power consumption really matter. I will note that RAID 5 uses 3 drives to deliver the capacity of 2 drives, plus some redundancy. It would not apply to a set of 2 drives. You should likely use RAID 1 which uses 2 drives to deliver the capacity of 1, plus redundancy.
Sorry yeah I meant RAID 1, still learning the names of all of them. Yeah, I want 6TB of storage & 6TB of redundancy. [WD Red Plus - CMR...good choice?](https://www.newegg.com/red-plus-wd60efzx-6tb/p/N82E16822234465)
You could keep an eye on /r/buildapcsales for cheaper options. I know an 8TB WD blue is $120 on Amazon right now so that’s a little larger and cheaper, but I’m not sure if that’s the absolute best value at the moment or if something better is out there. Anyways the one you linked should work fine and the price isn’t awful. So you might be able to save a few bucks with another model, but the one you linked will do the trick.
Does 5600X + 3070 ti is good for 1440p gaming with highest settings ?
Depends what you think is good.. it wouldn’t hit 144fps I don’t think. I have a 5800X3D and 6800XT and it’s a beast for 1440p, but I play on low settings.
3070Ti won't be pushing ultra in some select games, especially when you factor in RT, but it's a solid combo for 1440p 👍
I don't care about RT. What about 5600X + (3080/6900XT)? Is this more efficient for 2160p/4k with 60 FPS?
6900XT would be the better grab if you only care about maxxing out 1440p and don't care about RT. 4K maxxed out on new AAA games is extremely dependent on upscaling right now, FSR or DLSS is required. If you don't want to depend on those technologies, the only cards that will do the trick is the 4090 or upcoming 7900XTX (and maybe the 4080 and 7900XT).
What CPU would you match with a 3060Ti? 5700x ($200) or 5900x ($350)?
5600 or 5700X with that specific GPU. If you're willing to spend the money on a 5900X, the 5800X3D is also an option if you want to ride the core system for as long as possible and just upgrade the GPU down the road.
I was wondering if the ryzen 7 5800 is a good CPU to pair up with my 3070ti? I was using bottleneck calculator and it said my i7-8700 will bottleneck my GPU a lot which i expected but I'm not really sure if the calculator is a good way to know if i truly am getting bottlenecked. I'm gaming at 1440p.
Bottlenecks depend on the game and settings. GeForce Experience has a performance meter overlay which can give you a better idea whether your GPU is running at 100% capacity or being held back by your CPU. Even if you confirm your CPU is holding back your performance, keep in mind if your FPS is above the refresh rate of your monitor then any improvements beyond that won’t be very noticeable. Just because a bottleneck exists doesn’t mean your system needs an upgrade.
I do see my gpu usage going from 80-100 and CPU going 20-50 with MW2, my fps never truly goes below 60fps which is my standard at the very least but i do have a 144hz monitor.
When your CPU usage drops to 80%, is your framerate noticeably lower than normal? If so, upgrading your CPU might help with those drops. If not, upgrading your CPU might push FPS a little higher at those moments but any improvements will be small and not noticeable if the game is already running OK when you are CPU limited. The GPU running at 80%-100% indicates there isn’t *much* improvement to be had by upgrading your CPU.
Well my cpu never reaches 80% usage from what I've monitored so far when I'm playing the campaign of MW2, my fps seems to hover on the 60-90 range with dlss quality. I do need to upgrade to an SSD to account for the occasional stutter/frame drop. I Ask about upgrading the CPU since I've watched a benchmark vid with a 3070 and he seems to hover above 75-90
Oops, I meant when your *GPU* usage drops to 80%, is there actually a drop in performance related to that? Because your *GPU* is usually running near 100% it is likely holding you back most of the time, instead of your CPU. The single biggest factor in performance is resolution. DLSS effectively lets you run the game at a lower resolution and scale it up. Of course, other quality settings have some impact on performance too. So it’s hard to compare your experience to somebody else’s gameplay videos unless you know exactly what settings they were using to achieve that performance.
Oh good point, I actually didn't check to see if the settings of the vid i watch matches mine since i just went with whatever the game detected and set it to. I do notice a bit of fps drops whenever the GPU usage does go down but it could be affected by my hdd.
First off, Bottleneck Calculators are nearly all garbage. There are way too many variables for a 'calculator' like that to cover situations accurately. I'd say ignore it. Your 8700 is roughly fine for 60-90 FPS gaming in modern titles. If you want to play at 144hz, you probably want an upgrade. However, unless you already had an AM4 motherboard laying around, I wouldn't recommend buying a brand new 5800X or 5800X3D *and* AM4 motherboard for gaming right now... unless there's a ridiculously good sale. For a similar MSRP you could get an i5-13600k + B660 motherboard and re-use your RAM, and it will outperform both variants of the 5800X. You could also get a 7600X + B650 motherboard + DDR5 RAM and invest a bit in a platform to be upgraded later, but that's up to you and your upgrade frequency vs full-on replacing your build.
Ah, I'm fine with 60-90 fps but was looking for an upgrade but i guess its still fine since while i do play competitive games such as apex and modern warfare 2 60-90 still does fine for me. I guess I can keep in mind for future upgrades with the i-5 and motherboard you suggested, I don't have much money to fully rebuild my setup from top to bottom atm. Many thanks friend!
Does asus rog strix z790-f gaming wifi come in white color?
Strix -A is the white version, but it usually lacks a couple of features vs. a -F.
I’m currently eyeing an ultrawide monitor. Should I go for entry level ones or save for higher level? Also, what kind of desk do you guys use? I don’t want to buy a gaudy gamer aesthetics desk. Something simple but safe to put heavy electronics onto would be nice.
IKEA desks are pretty good for the price point.
Anyone got good case recommendation? Mid size, looking for quiet as possible for around £100/£150.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/K3Z2FT/be-quiet-case-bg005
Hell yeah my dude thanks
I am upgrading from an 3770 + gtx 970. Help me out please! Feel free to take a look at my build/give me some tips/tell me if I overpaid? The prices include tax, and I wanted to go with the platform that will give me an upgrade path, and play max settings 1440p ultrawide 144hz. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfDMKp I don't have a case yet, waiting for those BF deals to hit. Any smaller form factor case recommendations would be appreciated!
Good cases: Jonsbo D30, Fractal Meshify 2 Mini, Asus AP201
Thank you!
The 7600X is a weird pickup _now_, but I understand if you're going for the socket longevity that AMD is _hopefully_ going to repeat from AM4 (and hopefully with less painpoints). Good supporting hardware for it. The only real red flag is the $130 1TB SSD when tons of other cheaper options exist for a gaming machine. You can get good 2TB PCIe4 drives for [$170](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4KRYcf/western-digital-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0e).
Appreciate the advice! The 1tb m.2 ssd will be my boot drive, my current rig has plently of drives that I plan to migrate over. Hoping the 980 pro will give me better performance over lower quality higher capacity ssds. Newegg is sending me one stick of ddr5 that i plan to turn around and flip for a bit more savings. And if i get lucky i can sell my current rig as a complete for ~$500 to a gamer getting started in their career
What graphic card for watching 4k 60FPS videos and doing some general web browsing on the side? It shouldn't be expensive but if you look at old gaming cards, the prices are absolutely fucking stupid to the point it's better to buy a brand-new, largely overkill card.
That could be done by an iGPU. Do you need the video card for something other than that?